1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 1: Welcome to our classic episode for this week. 2 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:08,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's okay, it's it's it's all right. 3 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:10,360 Speaker 1: You might hear my pal doing some I would say 4 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:11,080 Speaker 1: eight out of ten. 5 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:18,240 Speaker 3: Ten, Yeah, I lost I lost it there at the end. 6 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 1: No, you got you went Australia. I got excited, which 7 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:26,320 Speaker 1: is fine. We are bringing you a classic episode about 8 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 1: that time Chewbacca needed body guards. Isn't Chewbacca himself a bodyguard? 9 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 1: He's like Han Solo's bodyguard. Yeah, why did he get 10 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:37,600 Speaker 1: secret service for his own secret service? 11 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:40,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, let's just jump in and find out. Man, this 12 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:44,159 Speaker 2: is a wacky story. 13 00:00:45,159 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 3: Ridiculous History is a production of iHeartRadio. We spent a 14 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 3: little bit of time before we went on air in 15 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 3: search of the perfect song to open today's episode with 16 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:22,560 Speaker 3: and by Golly by Gum. I think we got it. 17 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 3: Let's let's let's roll it. Just a clip of it. 18 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 3: There was some scientists trying to figure out the sasquatch 19 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 3: ridd all. 20 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:36,959 Speaker 1: Didn't they figure out it was a missing link? Is 21 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 1: that the D? It is the D? Man, I love 22 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:41,319 Speaker 1: the D. I miss the D. 23 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 3: They're back though, That's what could be more appropriate than 24 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 3: the Tenacious D song about Bigfoot about the Sasquatch. Hello, 25 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 3: I'm Ben, I am Noel, and Noel you found that 26 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 3: perfect song as we were as we were looking through 27 00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 3: the internets to find a cool, fun song. 28 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 2: What had to be the one, Ben, because there is 29 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 2: really no finer song of the mystery of the Bigfoot 30 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:13,239 Speaker 2: the Sasquatch than in Search of Sasquatch by Tenacious D. 31 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 1: That was also the TV show version. I don't think 32 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 1: it was actually on the record. It doesn't matter, but 33 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:19,799 Speaker 1: they may. 34 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 3: The only way that song could be topped is if 35 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:25,960 Speaker 3: Tenacious D when they return, if they put out a 36 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:30,519 Speaker 3: reprised version, or they have the discovery of the Sasquatch. 37 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 3: We want to, of course, bid a distant hello to 38 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:41,919 Speaker 3: our super producer Casey Pegram and a very close hello 39 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 3: to our guest super producer, Paul Dectt. 40 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:48,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's seated right outside of the shipping container. We're 41 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 2: looking at him right now. 42 00:02:53,960 --> 00:03:00,240 Speaker 3: And our story today begins in the far West. They're 43 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 3: in California specifically. It also incorporates not just Tenacious D, 44 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 3: but another pop culture phenomenon, Star Wars. 45 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:13,359 Speaker 2: Where do you come down on the Star Wars? Ben, 46 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:14,079 Speaker 2: I'm a fan. 47 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 1: You for it? Again, I'm for it. I'm a fan. 48 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 3: I'm not one of those people who feels that you 49 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 3: must choose between either Star Trek or Star Wars. I 50 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 3: think they both have their merits, and although they're totally different, because. 51 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 2: They're in space and they have Star in the name, 52 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:33,239 Speaker 2: we have to make a choice, we have to choose allegiances. 53 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 2: That's ridiculous. 54 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 3: It feels a little it feels a little bit falsely 55 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 3: dichotomous to me. Are you rebel or empire? You know, 56 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 3: it's tough to make that call because having watched the films, 57 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 3: the rebels are always the protagonists. 58 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 2: Right, So an empire, they're basically a bunch of fascists. 59 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, man very much into uniforms and conformity. So I 60 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 3: guess I would say rebel. But really, if I were 61 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 3: existing in the Star Wars universe, all I would want 62 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 3: to do is use the force, get my Midichlorians up. 63 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 1: You know, what about what about you? Where would you? 64 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 2: So obviously rebel? It seems like a very unpopular decision 65 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 2: to be empire, but people do choose that allegiance in 66 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 2: the fan community. 67 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 1: Many of you may know are. 68 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 2: Compatriot Holly Fry from Stuff he was in history class. Also, 69 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:25,720 Speaker 2: by the way, Plug a host of a cool show 70 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 2: I'm working on with her called Drawn the Story of Animation, 71 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:30,600 Speaker 2: which is a partnership with Cartoon Network, and it's a 72 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 2: really fun kind of love letter to all things animation. Anyway, 73 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 2: Holly the biggest Star Wars fan you could ever imagine. 74 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 2: I'm serious, Use use your imagination. Think of the biggest 75 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 2: Star Wars fan. 76 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 1: Take it up. 77 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 2: A couple of clicks from there, you got Holly Fryes. 78 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 2: She has a rebel tattoo. She makes all her own 79 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:50,040 Speaker 2: clothes pretty much all of it is Star Wars themed. 80 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 2: And when she overheard Ben, you and I talking about 81 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 2: the connection between Sasquatch and a certain Wookie, her eyes 82 00:04:59,040 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 2: lit right up. 83 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 3: It's true, there is a connection. Now, fans of Star Wars, 84 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 3: you will recall Chewbacca. 85 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 1: Of course he is that it. We're in the throat. Really, 86 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 1: I bet you can know that was close. Let's play 87 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:17,600 Speaker 1: a clip. Hey, it's better. As I was saying. 88 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:23,840 Speaker 3: Chewbacca is a Wookie, a tall, Harry biped and also 89 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 3: intelligent as sentient being. He is best known as the friend, 90 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:32,599 Speaker 3: first Mate, cosmic road trip buddy of Hands solo and 91 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 3: he is the co pilot on the famous spaceship the 92 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:41,919 Speaker 3: Millennium Falcon. He's also super duper tall, very tall, like 93 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 3: seventh foot plus. 94 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know it took a super duper tall 95 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 2: human to fill that super duper tall costume, a British 96 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 2: man by the name of Peter Mayhew. 97 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 3: Yes, Peter Mayhew, who might be unfamiliar to people who 98 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 3: are casual Star Wars fans, wouldn't say that either of 99 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:06,919 Speaker 3: us or super producer Paul are people who can quote 100 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 3: exact moments and know all the canon. I wouldn't say 101 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:12,600 Speaker 3: we're super fans, but but we're fans, right. 102 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:14,720 Speaker 1: You like Star Wars? See all the movie I've seen 103 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 1: all of them. 104 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:17,479 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'll probably watch them again. And I'll say 105 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:21,720 Speaker 3: it in real life. I'm a very nice, compassionate person 106 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:24,839 Speaker 3: with a lot of empathy. But I think the Sith 107 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 3: are cool. Wow, don't you? Okay, dude, the Sith are cool. 108 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:31,920 Speaker 1: Darth Vader is like the most memorable part of the 109 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 1: first few movies. 110 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 2: It's true, also played by a very tall man. It's 111 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 2: actually quite appropriate for today's episode. How Mayhew found himself 112 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 2: in this role in London back around the time that 113 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:50,479 Speaker 2: Star Wars was going into pre production. He was part 114 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:54,160 Speaker 2: of a profile that a London reporter did on people 115 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 2: with big feet, which. 116 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 3: Is insane when you think about funny. Originally, he wasn't 117 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 3: supposed to beat Trabacca. Originally, I believe George Lucas was 118 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 3: hoping to get a bodybuilder named David Prows to play 119 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 3: the role. But Prows chose to play Darth Vader. And 120 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 3: we should say Peter Mayhew, despite having a peak height 121 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 3: of seven feet three inches or two hundred and twenty 122 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 3: one centimeters, he does not suffer from gigantism, you know, 123 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 3: like Wadlow had. Now, Yeah, he's just a big fella. 124 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:32,679 Speaker 3: He does, however, have a condition called Marfan syndrome, which 125 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 3: is a genetic disorder of connective tissue and often that 126 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 3: can lead to people having extraordinary heights. 127 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, and often very skinny. You know the band Deer Hunter, 128 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 2: the singer in Atlanta band is fantastic. The singer Bradford 129 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 2: Cox has Marfin syndrome and he's quite tall and lanky. 130 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 2: The other guy you're talking about who played Darth Vader, 131 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 2: he said he wanted to play Darth Vader because. 132 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 1: He thought villains were more memorable. 133 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 2: And the funny thing is too he didn't realized his 134 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:03,119 Speaker 2: voice wasn't going to be eased that Chanel Jones. 135 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 1: He did a little bait and switch on him. 136 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 2: And Mayhew also not his voice, the voice of Chewbacca. 137 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 2: That sound we heard a minute ago is comprised of 138 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 2: like a bear, a walrus, and several other animals combined 139 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 2: to make that super cool sound. But today's story didn't 140 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 2: take place until the third. 141 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know how you count them, 142 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 1: you're supposed to. It's like an episode in order of 143 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 1: let's do it an order of release. That's let's do 144 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 1: it that way, just to keep it easy. Yeah. 145 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:33,959 Speaker 2: The third Star Wars movie released that was the Return 146 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:36,960 Speaker 2: of the Jedi, which was the first Star Wars movie 147 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:39,960 Speaker 2: to feature If I'm not mistaken in Star Wars fans, 148 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 2: please just just come at me. 149 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:42,080 Speaker 1: Be kind. 150 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:44,080 Speaker 2: No, don't be kind, be kind, Give it to me, 151 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 2: be kind. Hit me with your lightsabers was the first 152 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:50,080 Speaker 2: one to feature the little guys, the little furry bear 153 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 2: guys Ewok's and they occupied they were forest dwellers. 154 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 1: The Forest of Indoor. Yes, Return of the Jedi nineteen 155 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 1: eighty three In the film. You'll remember, of course, that 156 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:08,720 Speaker 1: Chewbacca is one of the characters who visits Endoor, and 157 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:13,560 Speaker 1: he is he has a nice rapport with Ewoks, being 158 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 1: that they are both furry and lovable despite their size difference. 159 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 1: But the story we're examining doesn't take place in front 160 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:26,200 Speaker 1: of the cameras while they were rolling and you see 161 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 1: where they were shooting the scenes for the Forest of 162 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 1: Indoor in state park. What was that state park? More? 163 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 2: It is the Tall Trees Redwood Grove, located in the 164 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 2: Redwood National and State Park in Humboldt County. 165 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 3: And when this area has another notable thing about it, 166 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 3: aside from being a site of Star Wars filming, it 167 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:57,840 Speaker 3: is also known as an alleged hotspot for one of 168 00:09:57,880 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 3: the most famous cryptids in the United State's Bigfoot aka 169 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:07,080 Speaker 3: the Sasquatch, aka the Yetti aka swamp Ape, but that 170 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:10,200 Speaker 3: they call swamp Pape in Florida Skunk Cape, skunk Ape. 171 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 1: That's another one. That's another one. 172 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:16,839 Speaker 3: Yeah, abominable Snowman in the Himalayas and sasquatch sighting or 173 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:21,560 Speaker 3: sasquatch hunting was popular enough in this region and remains 174 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 3: popular enough in this region today that the filmmakers were 175 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 3: worried that Chewbacca or Peter might get shot or harassed 176 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:38,559 Speaker 3: or attacked because in Bigfoot country there is a seven 177 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:43,840 Speaker 3: plus foot tall creature that is Harry that is wandering around, 178 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 3: and they said, well, you know, that's kind of going 179 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:47,240 Speaker 3: to mess up filming for us. 180 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:49,720 Speaker 1: We don't have him getting shot. What's that cool word, 181 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 1: the five dollars word for being Harry. Here's suit? Love that? Yeah, sorry, 182 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:55,840 Speaker 1: I just love that word. Yeah. 183 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:58,560 Speaker 3: So they didn't have it in the script for him 184 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 3: to be shot by Bigfoot hut hunters, but they had 185 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 3: to make the movie anyway. 186 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:05,560 Speaker 1: The show must go on. So what did they do well? 187 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 2: According to Mayhew himself, this is something of a sort 188 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:12,680 Speaker 2: of a Star Wars fan community urban legend, which is 189 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:17,320 Speaker 2: interesting considering it surrounds a big Foot story as well. 190 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 1: That he had kind of a detail, sort. 191 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:24,079 Speaker 2: Of a protection squad, if you will, that were decked 192 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:28,080 Speaker 2: out in brightly colored jackets, like vests, you know, like 193 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 2: you'd see Neon crossing guard vests or even hunters wear 194 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 2: these kind of vests so that they can be visible 195 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 2: in the forest and you know, keep from shooting each other. 196 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:39,080 Speaker 1: And be obviously not creatures of the woods, unless you're 197 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:42,320 Speaker 1: Dick Cheney. That apparently does not read for Dick. 198 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 3: Oh boy, too soon. No, I don't think that's too soon. 199 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:51,079 Speaker 3: That's that's not too soon. That's a it's a sasquatch 200 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 3: related But it's a great example of how easily accidents 201 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:57,200 Speaker 3: can happen while hunting. 202 00:11:57,280 --> 00:12:02,679 Speaker 2: Hunting, especially if you know your mistake for a potentially 203 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 2: dangerous predator or the target of your hunt. 204 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 3: Right, because people genuinely believe that this creature, while elusive, 205 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 3: does exist somewhere, right, and they want to Everybody who 206 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:22,320 Speaker 3: believes it wants to be the first person to find it. 207 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:24,720 Speaker 1: You kill it, You think you'd shoot it with a 208 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:25,680 Speaker 1: dart or something. 209 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the thing, because when we discover new animals, 210 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 3: or rediscover animals they are previously thought to be extinct. 211 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 3: It's a real tragedy to find out that they were 212 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 3: still alive when you've killed one, right, or you've killed 213 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:44,440 Speaker 3: the last one of two or three. There's another reason here. 214 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:48,440 Speaker 3: I know this sounds like maybe they were being overprotective 215 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 3: of Chewbacca, even though it's an understandable thing to have 216 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:59,080 Speaker 3: this detail. Something else happened in nineteen sixty seven in 217 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 3: Humboldt count That both fueled the search for this cryptid 218 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:09,560 Speaker 3: and I think added some credibility to the fear that 219 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 3: Chewbacca might be attacked. And that is a film. Are 220 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 3: you talking about the famous Patterson Gimlin film. Yep, the 221 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 3: famous Patterson Gimlin film which was shot in nineteen sixty 222 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:25,839 Speaker 3: seven alongside Bluff Creek that's about twenty five miles northwest 223 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:31,200 Speaker 3: of Orleans, California, in Humboldt County. And this film, which 224 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:34,680 Speaker 3: is named after the guys who shot at Roger Patterson 225 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 3: and Robert Bob Gimlin. This film is so iconic that 226 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 3: if you are a died in the world true believer 227 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 3: of Bigfoot or you're an absolute skeptic. Either way, no 228 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:51,840 Speaker 3: matter how you feel about the allegations of this gigantic 229 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:56,080 Speaker 3: creature existing, you have seen this footage. You can go 230 00:13:56,120 --> 00:14:01,199 Speaker 3: on YouTube and see countless professional documentaries, countless TV shows, 231 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:07,440 Speaker 3: and countless amateur documentaries attempting to analyze this. What a 232 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:11,400 Speaker 3: little less than one minute of footage of this large, 233 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:12,959 Speaker 3: hairy looking thing walking. 234 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:16,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you see it from behind and it 235 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 2: it looks good. 236 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 1: Although at the same time it's sort of like, you know, 237 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 1: when was this, uh sixty seven, sixty seven. I mean, 238 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 1: you know, the Chewbacca costume. It looks a lot like 239 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 1: the Chewbacca. 240 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 2: Costume from behind, a lot like it, a lot like it. 241 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 3: It absolutely does, because the big differentiation is the big 242 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 3: differentiations between the appearance of Chewbacca and the appearance of 243 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 3: this creature in this film are only discernible from a 244 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 3: closer distance. 245 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 2: Sure, and my question for you, Ben is like, what's 246 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 2: the backstory behind this film? Like how what gives it weight? 247 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 1: Like why are. 248 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 2: People still kind of thinking that this these people had 249 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 2: no reason to like fake it. 250 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 3: We can, yeah, we can look a little bit into 251 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 3: the origin of that film. So Patterson read an article 252 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 3: about Bigfoot in a magazine in nineteen fifty nine, a 253 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 3: magazine called True Magazine, and then he visited Bluff Creek 254 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 3: in nineteen sixty two, So several years before they film, 255 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 3: they caught this film or made this film, right, So 256 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 3: he was he was already kind of in search of Sasquatch. Yeah, 257 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 3: a little bit like the Tenacious d song. 258 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 1: Yeah. 259 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 3: According to author Marion Place, when Patterson arrived at Bluff Creek, 260 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 3: he talked to tons of people who believed in Bigfoot 261 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 3: and said, hey, it's out here. Not only is it 262 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 3: out here, I can show you some stuff about it, 263 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 3: I can show you some evidence. And so in nineteen 264 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 3: sixty four he returned and he met a guy named 265 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 3: Pat Graves who drove him to Layered Meadows and that's where, 266 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 3: according to this story, he saw fresh tracks, fresh Bigfoot tracks, 267 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 3: and he thought it would be an amazing scientific breakthrough 268 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 3: if he could obtain evidence that these were not hoaxes 269 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 3: but the mark of an unknown human like creature. 270 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 1: Interesting. 271 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 2: I think for me it would be a lot more 272 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 2: believable if it just happened to be some rando out 273 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 2: in the woods with his camera that caught the thing, you. 274 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:19,560 Speaker 1: Know, right like out of candidly. 275 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, and they're they're filming their kid making a Sunday's 276 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 3: and then it pans. 277 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 1: To the left. 278 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 2: I'd buy that much more than this guy who sort 279 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 2: of had a result he was after and a reason 280 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 2: to to want to be the guy. 281 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 1: You know. 282 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 3: Yeah. Here here's the thing. He was constantly ridiculed for 283 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 3: this search, and he was always running short on money. 284 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 3: He founded this thing called the Northwest Research Foundation and 285 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 3: use that to get funding for these bigfoot searches, and 286 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 3: he conducted several expeditions, but he also had a financial motivation, 287 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 3: It's probably the best way to put it. In sixty 288 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 3: six he published a paperback about the search, and he 289 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:07,920 Speaker 3: added the income from that to the income from his lectures. 290 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 3: I e ostensibly to just too fun further searches. But 291 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 3: that's a tough call to make. 292 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 1: I think so too. 293 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:19,880 Speaker 2: But you know what, Ben, this area is just lousy 294 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 2: with these kinds of reports in general, this humble area 295 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 2: and the Northern California region in general, big old state California, 296 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 2: and totally different like ecosystem and environment in Northern California, 297 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:32,359 Speaker 2: whereas in Southern California everything's a lot more arid and 298 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:35,399 Speaker 2: desert like up there, it's much more lush and green 299 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:36,120 Speaker 2: and these. 300 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 1: Huge, huge trees, the redwood forests. 301 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 2: I actually found Ben, a report dating back of the 302 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:45,119 Speaker 2: earliest one that I could find, from January second of 303 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 2: eighteen eighty six from the Del Norte Record, and a 304 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:54,920 Speaker 2: correspondent from that publication wrote this from Happy Camp, sisk 305 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 2: You County again on January second, eighteen eighty six. Here's 306 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:01,360 Speaker 2: what it says. I do not remember to have seen 307 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:04,360 Speaker 2: any reference to the wild man which haunts this part 308 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 2: of the country, so I shall allude to him briefly. 309 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 2: Not a great while, since mister Jack Dover, one of 310 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 2: our most trustworthy citizens, while hunting, saw an object standing 311 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:16,800 Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty yards from him, picking berries or 312 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:20,959 Speaker 2: tender shoots from the bushes. This thing was of gigantic size, 313 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:24,680 Speaker 2: about seven feet high, with a bulldog head, short ears, 314 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:27,439 Speaker 2: and long hair. It was also furnished with a beard, 315 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:30,400 Speaker 2: and was free from hair on such parts of its 316 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:35,119 Speaker 2: body as is common among men. Its voice was shrill 317 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:37,800 Speaker 2: or soprano, and very human, like that of a woman 318 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:41,159 Speaker 2: in great fear. Mister Dover could not see its footprints 319 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 2: as it walks on hard soil. He aimed his gun 320 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 2: at the animal or whatever it is, several times, but 321 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 2: because it was so human, he would not shoot. Eighteen 322 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:51,360 Speaker 2: eighty six. 323 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 3: Eighteen eighty six and those are that's just the first 324 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:56,399 Speaker 3: published report we con find. 325 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 2: Well, let's go back even further. Ben, Let's talk about 326 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 2: the origin of this creature, the origin and lore. 327 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 3: The strange thing about Bigfoot, which is at base a 328 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:17,400 Speaker 3: gigantic human like primate, right, The strange thing about it 329 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:22,480 Speaker 3: is that reports of creatures like these date back into 330 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 3: the ancient empires and ages of myth and legend. Sometimes 331 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:30,960 Speaker 3: you will see reports of a quote unquote wild man 332 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 3: right that troope or. 333 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:35,120 Speaker 1: That wild man of Borneo for example. 334 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:40,359 Speaker 3: Sure yeah, or something called the hairy Man. Folklore experts 335 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 3: like Joseph Campbell see this wild man in the woods 336 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 3: legend as a as coming from a couple of different places. 337 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:54,400 Speaker 3: One of the most interesting, if not the most plausible ideas, 338 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:58,679 Speaker 3: is that it's some sort of orally transmitted memory of 339 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 3: an encounter with the largest known primate, the extinct Gigantipithecus, 340 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 3: which was ten feet tall and may emphasis on may 341 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:13,399 Speaker 3: here may have interacted with early Homo sapiens like in 342 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:16,080 Speaker 3: the Jungle Book. Yeah, like in the Jungle Book. A 343 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:17,880 Speaker 3: spoiler alert for the newest jungle Book. 344 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 2: I'm kidding, but the one depicted in that live action 345 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:26,400 Speaker 2: slash CGI Jungle Book is like a giant orangutan looking creature, 346 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 2: But it is that extinct Gigantopithecus that would have been 347 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 2: native to that part of the country. 348 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:36,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, and Asia India. 349 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:39,960 Speaker 3: And fun fact, with the Gigantipithecus, at least in the 350 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:42,320 Speaker 3: Jungle Book, and this is not too much of a 351 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 3: spoiler for the show. In the live action Jungle Book, 352 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:51,440 Speaker 3: the gigantipithecus King Louis is played by Christopher Walkin, who 353 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:53,720 Speaker 3: is going just full walking on that. 354 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:57,640 Speaker 1: He is nuts. He's just taking a walk again for 355 00:20:57,720 --> 00:20:58,400 Speaker 1: some reason. 356 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 3: It's from Brooks and he sings the King Louis song, 357 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:07,920 Speaker 3: but in a really weird, like spoken words stating way. 358 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 2: Christopher Walkin is one of those like just beloved actors 359 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:12,400 Speaker 2: that can only do. 360 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:14,320 Speaker 1: Christopher Walkin, right. 361 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe you might disagree, but I kind of feel 362 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:19,359 Speaker 2: like it works and it's great. 363 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 1: But he's sort of like a Jeff Goldbloom, you know. 364 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 3: Well, here's here's a or an al Pacino. Right, here's 365 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:26,880 Speaker 3: a hot take. I want to see what you think 366 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:29,840 Speaker 3: of this. This is entire I guess this is sort 367 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 3: of related because Peter Mayhew's an actor. 368 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 1: Anyway, just humor me, go with it. Tell me what 369 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:35,439 Speaker 1: you think about this. 370 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:40,960 Speaker 3: So one of the great differences between the lauded actors 371 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:44,400 Speaker 3: in the States and the lauded actors in Europe is that, 372 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 3: in the case of European actors, the A listers, the 373 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:51,639 Speaker 3: top notch actors are praised for their abilities to be 374 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:57,400 Speaker 3: chameleons largely praised for their ability to become another person 375 00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 3: to slip into a role, whereas in the States, a 376 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:04,480 Speaker 3: lot of top notch A list actors are praised for 377 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 3: their ability to constantly be unapologetically themselves. And it's it's 378 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 3: weird because it doesn't I'm not at all saying that 379 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 3: one is better than the other, nor am I saying 380 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 3: that these people aren't amazing actors. It's just a very 381 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:19,880 Speaker 3: strange interpretation. 382 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 1: Now, It's true over here we call those character actors. 383 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:25,959 Speaker 2: They almost get like a like a demotion kind of 384 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:28,160 Speaker 2: you know, yeah, like you're that kind of a leading man. 385 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:29,160 Speaker 1: You're a character actor. 386 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:32,480 Speaker 3: You're always the cop, You're always the angry dad who's 387 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:33,359 Speaker 3: almost had it. 388 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:33,959 Speaker 1: You know. 389 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:35,720 Speaker 2: Oh, I guess when I say character actor, I mean 390 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:38,679 Speaker 2: what I'm saying is they are more chameleonic, but the 391 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 2: leading men are less so. 392 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:44,760 Speaker 3: Right like al Pacino in Devil's Advocate and al Pacino 393 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,240 Speaker 3: in Scent of a Woman. A lot of people would 394 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:50,760 Speaker 3: tell you, and I love Devil's Advocate, a lot of 395 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 3: people will tell you that they're always the same, They're 396 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 3: roughly the same mannerisms or something. You know, even though 397 00:22:57,520 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 3: I believe in scent of a woman, al Pacino plays 398 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:00,399 Speaker 3: a blind character. 399 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 1: But you know what, al Pacino not tall enough to 400 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:05,240 Speaker 1: play Bigfoot, my friend? Not tall enough? 401 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:07,800 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, we pulled it back, Yeah yeah, circle back. 402 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:12,479 Speaker 3: Not tall enough to play Bigfoot. Gigantopithecus though in a 403 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 3: larger sense, no pun intended, but I guess I'll allow 404 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:20,679 Speaker 3: it was close enough to be like our guy for 405 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:23,640 Speaker 3: this if we're trying to find a suspect for historical Bigfoot, 406 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:28,960 Speaker 3: because Gigantopithecus Blackie was thought to be closely related to 407 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:35,879 Speaker 3: early hominins, especially Ostrolopithecus, and this was based on molar evidence. 408 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:40,719 Speaker 1: So the thing molar like teeth, yea like tevy. 409 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:45,240 Speaker 3: The thing about trying to figure out whether Gigantopithecus was 410 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:49,639 Speaker 3: the origin of the sasquatch or hairy man myths is 411 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:52,679 Speaker 3: that when you look at it, as as we established earlier, 412 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:55,639 Speaker 3: when we get depictions of this thing, it doesn't look 413 00:23:56,320 --> 00:24:00,920 Speaker 3: like a sasquatch the way they are described from the 414 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:04,879 Speaker 3: nineteenth century on. It looks like a giant orangutan, and 415 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 3: it's got the big face flaps that are I'm gonna 416 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:11,879 Speaker 3: say a big enough differentiator, Like its head is bigger, 417 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:14,200 Speaker 3: yeah than a sasquatch's head would. 418 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:17,639 Speaker 2: Be, and its neck looks like testicles or something. 419 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,919 Speaker 3: It's got like a wattle. Yeah almost. Yeah. It was 420 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 3: also probably not super fast. 421 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 2: Oh I can't imagine, And unlike the depiction in the 422 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 2: Jungle Book, it probably didn't smash things and swing on. 423 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:37,000 Speaker 1: Trees, nor did it have a strong New York accents. Yeah, no, 424 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:38,400 Speaker 1: it's true. But here's the thing. 425 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:43,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, one beef that bigfoot skeptics have is like, 426 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:44,200 Speaker 2: where's the evidence. 427 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:46,280 Speaker 1: Give me some bones, give me a body, show me 428 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:49,240 Speaker 1: the body, right, show me fecal matter or some nesting site. 429 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:53,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, but with gigandipithecus, you know, there is evidence you 430 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:57,199 Speaker 2: could even find some of these. They're plentiful enough that 431 00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 2: you could find jawbones and teeth in like curio or 432 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:06,680 Speaker 2: apothecary shops in places like Vietnam and India where these 433 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:08,240 Speaker 2: creatures were indigenous. 434 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:11,439 Speaker 3: So for traditional medicine, then one would imagine, right, that 435 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:12,160 Speaker 3: would be the use. 436 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:13,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. 437 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,679 Speaker 2: And the thing is, you know, these things would have 438 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 2: been ten feet tall and weighed more than twelve hundred pounds, 439 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 2: so totally in line with the type of stature we're 440 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:30,879 Speaker 2: talking about for these wild men, these hairymen, these sasquatches. 441 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:33,480 Speaker 2: And the thing is they're not just limited to you know, 442 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:38,639 Speaker 2: North America or northern California. They're all over the world. 443 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:43,600 Speaker 3: Sure, sure, they're in Siberia. They're called the Chutrena there. 444 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 3: The Australians would call it the Yawi, which I think 445 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:51,640 Speaker 3: is a fun name. Absolutely, you may hear it called. 446 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:55,160 Speaker 1: The year in China. We mentioned the yeti earlier. There 447 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:58,840 Speaker 1: are different the Yeti's the snow one right, yeah, are. 448 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:03,359 Speaker 3: Abominable snows right, There are different There are different cases 449 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:09,240 Speaker 3: of alleged physical artifacts being discovered or being held, such 450 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:13,800 Speaker 3: as the Pengbuche hand. There was an alleged Yetti scalp 451 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,840 Speaker 3: that was supposed to be around, but I think was 452 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 3: later disproven through testing. And this is a really controversial 453 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:30,359 Speaker 3: thing because for some biologists, the search for cryptids, which 454 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,600 Speaker 3: is an umbrella term describing any animal that has been 455 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,480 Speaker 3: alleged to exist but has been not proven to exist 456 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:40,960 Speaker 3: or has been officially considered extinct, and then you know, 457 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 3: people think it may be rediscovered. Cryptozoologists are considered largely 458 00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:53,240 Speaker 3: persona non grata in the dingy pseudoscience in the academic world, 459 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 3: because other scientists will say that these folks have already 460 00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:02,439 Speaker 3: decided something exists, and they're not practicing critical thinking, your 461 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:04,679 Speaker 3: scientific method. They're just trying to prove that what they 462 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,920 Speaker 3: came in believing was correct. It's a confirmation bias exactly. 463 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:10,920 Speaker 2: And like our pal who made the film, like I would, 464 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,840 Speaker 2: I would find that evidence quote unquote much more believable 465 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,200 Speaker 2: if it if it wasn't somebody who already was looking 466 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,000 Speaker 2: to find something and then did this. 467 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:22,280 Speaker 3: And until his death he maintained that he understood why 468 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:24,679 Speaker 3: people could think it was weird, but he was not 469 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:28,840 Speaker 3: hoaxing anyone, and he well, he wouldn't deny that what 470 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:33,040 Speaker 3: he saw was legitimate. But then that also raises the 471 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 3: possibility that perhaps he was hoaxed mm, which is. 472 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,720 Speaker 2: Maybe someone was trolling him, yeah, or sasquatching him. 473 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:41,959 Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, maybe we could use that as a new 474 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,440 Speaker 1: verb to get sasquatched. I like it. I just squatched. 475 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:47,520 Speaker 1: How about that? Squatched is good? Yeah? Squatch out? Yeah? 476 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 1: Into it? Yeah? 477 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 2: All right, Well, let's incorporated into the ridiculous history lexicon. 478 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:55,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, let's put it into our burgeoning encyclopedia. 479 00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:57,680 Speaker 2: We have we have Son of a Fish, we have 480 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:01,720 Speaker 2: a ship show, and now we have you Just Got Squatched. 481 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:03,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think I have a few other ones, 482 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:05,719 Speaker 3: but recommend your favorite slaying to us. 483 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:08,520 Speaker 1: We do want to point out again we know how. 484 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:12,280 Speaker 3: Ridiculous this, this fear may have seen for Peter Mayhew 485 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 3: and for the filmmakers, but even as recently as twenty fourteen, 486 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,520 Speaker 3: twenty percent of the US population one out of five 487 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:25,679 Speaker 3: people believe in Bigfoot or something like it was. 488 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 2: Isn't that like as many people as believe in the 489 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:29,520 Speaker 2: Big Bang theory. 490 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:33,679 Speaker 1: Yes? Yeah, not the show, the scientific concept. I believe 491 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:34,320 Speaker 1: in the Big Bang. 492 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:38,120 Speaker 2: I believe so good Sheldon, it's got hart, Young Sheldon, 493 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:39,040 Speaker 2: it's not good? 494 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:42,040 Speaker 1: Is that a spin off? Yeah? What, young Sheldon? 495 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 3: I remember seeing the just the thumbnail for that and thinking, wow, 496 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,280 Speaker 3: I have drifted far from the mainstream demographic. 497 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 2: He's just such a smarmy little little kid. He just 498 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:54,720 Speaker 2: thinks he thinks he knows it all. 499 00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:55,240 Speaker 3: You know. 500 00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 2: It's one of those those shows about like the genius 501 00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 2: kid who gets to go to high school and he's like, 502 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,880 Speaker 2: you know, ten or something everyone hates him, insists on 503 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:04,920 Speaker 2: wearing the bows eye. 504 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 1: I digress. 505 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:07,120 Speaker 2: The kid that that plays him is also in that 506 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 2: show Big Little Liars, which is awesome. By the way, 507 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:11,680 Speaker 2: that's a great show if you haven't checked that out. 508 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:12,880 Speaker 1: But I don't know. 509 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:17,200 Speaker 2: You're right, Ben, there was a legitimate fear for this 510 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:21,400 Speaker 2: quite large tall man wearing this. 511 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:23,680 Speaker 1: Here suit costume. 512 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,200 Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, and on another show we've done. If you 513 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,600 Speaker 3: want to learn more about Bigfoot, you can hear our 514 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:34,959 Speaker 3: full interview with the founder and curator of Expedition Bigfoot, 515 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,600 Speaker 3: a one of a kind museum in up near l J, Georgia. 516 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:40,840 Speaker 3: It's so cool, David Baraka. 517 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like it's like something you'd see in Epcot 518 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 2: Center or the Universe in. 519 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:46,880 Speaker 1: The nineties or something. It's really really neat. 520 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:48,960 Speaker 2: The guy's a super cool guy and believes this stuff 521 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:49,960 Speaker 2: with all his heart. 522 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:53,560 Speaker 3: And you can in the interview hear us ask him 523 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 3: some of the some of the same questions that always 524 00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:59,320 Speaker 3: come up, the tough ones. The question number one numero 525 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:03,000 Speaker 3: uno is you know where the bones, where the feces, 526 00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:07,280 Speaker 3: where the nesting sites and how much of a range 527 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:10,120 Speaker 3: would a creature this size have to have? How much 528 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,560 Speaker 3: food would it have to eat to sustain itself, let 529 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:19,120 Speaker 3: alone to sustain and feed a juvenile version, right if 530 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:24,720 Speaker 3: it reproduces. At this point, there is no universally accepted 531 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:29,120 Speaker 3: proof that something like Bigfoot currently exists, nor is there 532 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 3: proof that something like it existed in the recent past. 533 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:37,600 Speaker 3: The closest the closest known thing would be maybe misidentification 534 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:45,680 Speaker 3: of large extant primates like gorillas or orangutans or the Gigantopithecus. 535 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,240 Speaker 3: Maybe maybe, maybe way back in the day, but then 536 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:54,640 Speaker 3: again still very speculative. One thing is for sure, though, 537 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:59,120 Speaker 3: If someone who was a Sasquatch hunter was out there 538 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:04,040 Speaker 3: in the area that is sometimes called the Bigfoot capital 539 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:09,000 Speaker 3: of the world and they saw Peter Mayhew chubaka Everyone's 540 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:13,240 Speaker 3: favorite Wookie, strolling through the woods by himself, they would 541 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:17,479 Speaker 3: probably have freaked out. They definitely would have tried to 542 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:19,920 Speaker 3: film him, harass him. I like to think they wouldn't 543 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:20,680 Speaker 3: have shot the guy. 544 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,080 Speaker 2: You don't think they would have noticed all the camera 545 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,320 Speaker 2: crews and extras and ewoks and. 546 00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:30,240 Speaker 1: Stuff confirmation bias, though, Man, I guess you're right. Maybe 547 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:30,680 Speaker 1: they would. 548 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:34,280 Speaker 3: And we don't want to get too far, too far 549 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:36,200 Speaker 3: down the Bigfoot rabbit hole. 550 00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:37,760 Speaker 1: But it is interesting. 551 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,520 Speaker 3: I wonder if there are other situations like that where 552 00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:45,240 Speaker 3: in the course of making a film the filmmakers had 553 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:50,120 Speaker 3: to take extra precautions or maybe even do extra cultural 554 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,720 Speaker 3: things because of the values of mores of the place 555 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:54,680 Speaker 3: in which they were filming. 556 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:56,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, I have no doubt. 557 00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,640 Speaker 3: Yeah Apocalypse, Now there's got to be something with that. 558 00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:02,920 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, But I mean that was a notoriously gorilla 559 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:03,960 Speaker 2: kind of shoot, you know. 560 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:05,880 Speaker 1: And the thing I've noticed too, like the here in Atlanta. 561 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,880 Speaker 2: It's like they call it yolly Wood because they shoot 562 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,120 Speaker 2: a whole lot of movies here, and people I know 563 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:14,880 Speaker 2: that work in the film industry. Sometimes they they bulldoze 564 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,040 Speaker 2: a little bit, you know, if they're gonna like shoot 565 00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:17,560 Speaker 2: on your street. 566 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:18,360 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they. 567 00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:21,720 Speaker 2: Don't really care about disrupting your routine. The US post 568 00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:23,440 Speaker 2: a little bill and so you know it's coming. But 569 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,480 Speaker 2: it's like, Okay, I guess this is my life for 570 00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:28,280 Speaker 2: the next week or two. 571 00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:29,680 Speaker 1: Did you ever get the shakedown? 572 00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:32,440 Speaker 3: Like what if someone's filming on your street and they 573 00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:35,800 Speaker 3: say no through traffic, I might tell them that you live. 574 00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:38,240 Speaker 1: There, I live here, I'm walking here. But here's the 575 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:38,520 Speaker 1: thing too. 576 00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:41,240 Speaker 2: This, Like I said, this, this story about Mayhew and 577 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:45,800 Speaker 2: the the the anti big the Bigfoot determined uh detail 578 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:51,160 Speaker 2: has kind of found its place in Star Wars fan 579 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:53,320 Speaker 2: culture as kind of a bit of a of an 580 00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,720 Speaker 2: urban legend. But Mayhew himself was asked this in an 581 00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:59,120 Speaker 2: ama on Reddit in. 582 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,480 Speaker 1: A teen and he did confirm this is true. 583 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:06,760 Speaker 2: He said, yes, that is absolutely true. But then some 584 00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:11,800 Speaker 2: intrepid Star Wars fans did a little digging and kind 585 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:16,520 Speaker 2: of got clarification that he was really more warned by 586 00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:21,760 Speaker 2: production folks not to walk off the set in costume 587 00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:26,000 Speaker 2: for fear that he might get shot by hunters, and 588 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,080 Speaker 2: they reminded him remember this is Bigfoot country. 589 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:33,080 Speaker 1: So you know, memory is a funny thing. The story's 590 00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:35,320 Speaker 1: kind of true, it has a seed of truth. 591 00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:39,760 Speaker 2: But this idea of dudes and you know, brightly colored 592 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:44,080 Speaker 2: vests there specifically to protect this one actor in this 593 00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:45,000 Speaker 2: costume a. 594 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:48,120 Speaker 1: Little little bit of an exact. Yeah. 595 00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:51,800 Speaker 3: And the thing is that if you would if you 596 00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:56,160 Speaker 3: would like to become a sasquatch hunter or search for them, 597 00:33:56,400 --> 00:34:00,200 Speaker 3: you are absolutely free to do. So I'm gonna go 598 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,840 Speaker 3: ahead and call it Noel. I don't think I don't 599 00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:06,600 Speaker 3: think anyone's gonna find anything, But it's such a cool 600 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,360 Speaker 3: excuse to get out into some of the most beautiful 601 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,320 Speaker 3: wilderness in this country. 602 00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:13,720 Speaker 1: Absolutely, I mean, the redwoods are gorgeous. 603 00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,160 Speaker 2: I've actually never gotten I've been to San Francisco, but 604 00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:18,759 Speaker 2: I've not gotten to go quite that far up north. 605 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,200 Speaker 2: But I think I will be relatively soon going up 606 00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:23,920 Speaker 2: to Washington State and Oregon for the first time. 607 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,080 Speaker 1: You've been You haven't been to Oregon before? No, I've 608 00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,920 Speaker 1: never been to. Oh, you're gonna love it. It's beautiful, very exciting. 609 00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,040 Speaker 1: What part are you going going to Portland? Okay? But 610 00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:35,480 Speaker 1: then also, uh, like we're taking a road trip, so awesome. 611 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:42,480 Speaker 3: For a secret project, right right, right, Well, we are 612 00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:44,840 Speaker 3: almost out of time today, but we would be remiss 613 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:48,680 Speaker 3: if we didn't mention some other fantastic and fascinating things 614 00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:50,239 Speaker 3: we learned about Chewbacca. 615 00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:55,759 Speaker 2: One of my favorites is actually this comic book that 616 00:34:55,920 --> 00:35:00,719 Speaker 2: depicts a crash landing that happens with Han Solo and 617 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:04,000 Speaker 2: Chewbacco and the Millenium Falcon and they go through some kind. 618 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,719 Speaker 1: Of like wormhole of some kind and end. 619 00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:10,520 Speaker 2: Up in the past in like this part of the 620 00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:14,000 Speaker 2: country that we're talking about, right, And they are being 621 00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:18,359 Speaker 2: chased by Native Americans who are firing arrows at Han 622 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:22,520 Speaker 2: Solo and Chewbacca, and Hans Solo ends up keep getting 623 00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:28,040 Speaker 2: killed in this particular kind of non cannon Star Wars story. 624 00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,880 Speaker 2: It comes from a collection of Star Wars short comics 625 00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,359 Speaker 2: called the Think Star Wars Tales. I believe that's right. 626 00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,920 Speaker 2: And of course, you know, Chewbacca mourns his friend with 627 00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:42,040 Speaker 2: his famous yowl, his plaintive plant of Quala sorrow. Yeah, 628 00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:46,759 Speaker 2: and kind of goes off into the wilderness alone. It's 629 00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:50,120 Speaker 2: actually quite sad. And then the comic cuts to a 630 00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:54,400 Speaker 2: couple hundred years in the future and Indiana Jones shows 631 00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:59,399 Speaker 2: up with his now fully grown sidekick Short Round from 632 00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:04,120 Speaker 2: Temple of Doom in search of Sasquatch. And it turns 633 00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:07,840 Speaker 2: out that said that Chewbacca is Sasquatch. I just like 634 00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:10,359 Speaker 2: that alternate reality kind of like a treatment there. 635 00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:15,399 Speaker 3: Yeah, lot of DC's Else World series or Marvel's oh 636 00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:18,800 Speaker 3: I can't remember what they call them, Marvel other Chewbacca facts. 637 00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:23,160 Speaker 3: The character was inspired by George Lucas's dog, a big 638 00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:26,800 Speaker 3: Alaskan malamute and named Indiana. 639 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:30,040 Speaker 1: Named Indiana, we named the dog in Diada. 640 00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:33,000 Speaker 2: Exactly, and it wasn't the other way around. Indiana Jones 641 00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:35,400 Speaker 2: was inspired by the dog the name. 642 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:39,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And the name Chewbacca is derived from 643 00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:43,479 Speaker 3: the Russian word for dog, So there's a very clear 644 00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:47,080 Speaker 3: relationship there. And and and for anyone who's thinking about 645 00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:51,759 Speaker 3: some of the chronology of that alternative world comic book, 646 00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:56,319 Speaker 3: uh Noel summarized, wookie Is are very long lived in 647 00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:59,080 Speaker 3: comparison to humans. At the time Star Wars is set, 648 00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:02,120 Speaker 3: Chewbacca is about two hundred years old. He looks great, 649 00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:06,560 Speaker 3: he looks fantastic. He must be using herbal essences or 650 00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:08,440 Speaker 3: one of the fancy shampoos. 651 00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:13,040 Speaker 1: Maybe for hymns. Maybe maybe he's using for him. So 652 00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:14,319 Speaker 1: keeps him a virile. 653 00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:19,400 Speaker 2: And he was quite virile because in the much maligned 654 00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,040 Speaker 2: Star Wars holiday, specially with that which I'm not even 655 00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,719 Speaker 2: sure is considered canon, Lucas hated it so much. You 656 00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:28,759 Speaker 2: are introduced to Chewbacca's family. 657 00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:32,560 Speaker 3: Right, yeah, you meet his You meet three members of 658 00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:38,120 Speaker 3: his family, his father Itchy, his wife Mala, and his son. 659 00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:40,279 Speaker 3: I think this is your favorite one, Nol. He's a 660 00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:45,279 Speaker 3: lumpy lumpy Yeah. These names are later later told these 661 00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:46,160 Speaker 3: are just nicknames. 662 00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:49,840 Speaker 2: They're nicknames, right, they're much longer proper Wookie names. And 663 00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,240 Speaker 2: this is on his home planet of Kushik. 664 00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:55,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, the dad is out of chitcock. Very well done. 665 00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:59,600 Speaker 1: It was probably terrible a man. We don't speak Wikie, 666 00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:02,200 Speaker 1: we don't. Yeah, it's fine that we do our best, 667 00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:03,160 Speaker 1: our level best. 668 00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:08,440 Speaker 3: To our level sincere best, whether it's hunting bigfoot or 669 00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:10,880 Speaker 3: protecting people from bigfoot hunters. 670 00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,320 Speaker 1: Right, and we are off. 671 00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:16,640 Speaker 3: We hope you enjoyed this episode at least as much 672 00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:18,520 Speaker 3: as we enjoyed. 673 00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:21,000 Speaker 1: Researching you know what. I enjoyed this one very much. 674 00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm you know, I'm glad to say there's never 675 00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:26,160 Speaker 3: been one that I thought was a track. 676 00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:27,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, seriously. 677 00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:29,279 Speaker 2: But there's also a fun crossover between some of the 678 00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:31,440 Speaker 2: stuff we talk about on our other show, stuff they 679 00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:34,520 Speaker 2: don't want you to know, where we take a critical 680 00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:37,640 Speaker 2: thinking approach to conspiracy theories like this one. 681 00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:40,480 Speaker 3: Yes, and stay tuned next week when we were going 682 00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:44,640 Speaker 3: to do something completely different, exploring the bizarre story of 683 00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:48,480 Speaker 3: Santa Anna and a funeral that he helped. 684 00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:51,200 Speaker 1: Looking forward to that one too. We're having a hard 685 00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:54,520 Speaker 1: time not telling you right now, I know we want 686 00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:55,760 Speaker 1: to tease but not spoil. 687 00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:59,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, so please join us for our next episode in 688 00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:03,480 Speaker 3: the mean time, massive thanks to our guest super producer 689 00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:07,719 Speaker 3: Paul Decktt, Thanks as always to Casey Pegram, thanks to 690 00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:10,160 Speaker 3: Alex Williams who composed our opening. 691 00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:14,719 Speaker 2: Music, and of huge thanks to Christopher Hasiotis, who has 692 00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:18,200 Speaker 2: been doing amazing We're collaborating with us on research for 693 00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:19,640 Speaker 2: these episodes, so. 694 00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:22,319 Speaker 3: Our episode falls through a close, but you don't have 695 00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:24,640 Speaker 3: to say goodbye just yet. You can find us on 696 00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:28,000 Speaker 3: our Facebook community page, Ridiculous Historians. 697 00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:30,000 Speaker 2: We are pushing it hard because it is a lot 698 00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:32,719 Speaker 2: of fun. And the thing is about Facebook, as you know. 699 00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:34,920 Speaker 2: You know, if you have just like a regular Facebook page, 700 00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:37,520 Speaker 2: the reach is you just don't know what you're gonna get. 701 00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:40,560 Speaker 2: You might like the page, you might not see it. 702 00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:42,200 Speaker 2: Most of the cool stuff that I look at on 703 00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:45,799 Speaker 2: Facebook are like meme groups and Facebook pages like that. 704 00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:47,920 Speaker 1: And that's how you know you're gonna get. 705 00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:50,920 Speaker 2: The goods and the folks on Ridiculous Historians are a 706 00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,400 Speaker 2: lot of fun. There's a lot of fun history memes 707 00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:56,680 Speaker 2: and just cool articles and discussion and you know, pictures 708 00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:59,120 Speaker 2: of me and Ben doing weird stuff. 709 00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:02,560 Speaker 3: And of course, we have fantastic moderators there who really 710 00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:03,759 Speaker 3: make the page what it is. 711 00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,920 Speaker 1: We want you to be a part of it. 712 00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:11,680 Speaker 3: There are some there's some very interesting threads and I 713 00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,600 Speaker 3: hang out there. Noel hangs out there. We even cajoled 714 00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:19,360 Speaker 3: our recurring arch nemesis, Jonathan Strickland the Quister, to post 715 00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:21,000 Speaker 3: a picture of himself. 716 00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:21,200 Speaker 1: As a child. 717 00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:22,960 Speaker 2: Yea, at first I saw it from a distance and 718 00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:24,680 Speaker 2: thought it was a joke because I just saw like 719 00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:26,120 Speaker 2: a giant, weird clown. 720 00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:29,200 Speaker 1: But when you zoom in you see Jonathan's tiny, tiny 721 00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:33,200 Speaker 1: child face in the Hole's what I cut the cutout things. Yeah, 722 00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:35,000 Speaker 1: so so definitely do check that out. 723 00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:37,640 Speaker 3: And of course you can always send an email with 724 00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:42,040 Speaker 3: feedback or topic suggestions to us directly. 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