1 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:08,479 Speaker 1: On this episode of NEWTS World, President Trump welcomed Israeli 2 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 1: Prime Minister Benjamin nut Yahu to the White House on Tuesday. 3 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 1: It was the first visit by a foreign leader in 4 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 1: Trump's second term. Ostensibly, the meeting was for the leaders 5 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:22,479 Speaker 1: to discuss the negotiations for a second phase of a 6 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 1: ceasefire deal that would end the war with Hamas in 7 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 1: return all Israeli hostages from captivity in Gaza. However, the 8 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:34,880 Speaker 1: headlines coming from their meeting were about President Trump's proposal 9 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 1: for the United States quote to take over the Gaza 10 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 1: strip and quote own it here to discuss the meeting 11 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 1: and the future of Israel. I'm really pleased to welcome 12 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 1: my guests Israel Alice. His new book is The wake 13 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:53,200 Speaker 1: Up Call Global Jihad and the Rise of Anti Semitism 14 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 1: in a World Gone Mad and Mad by the way, 15 00:00:56,200 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 1: in his book is all caps. Israel. Welcome and thank 16 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:10,480 Speaker 1: you for joining me on NEWTS World. 17 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:14,120 Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Nuda, really very much appreciate you 18 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 2: having me on today. 19 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:17,680 Speaker 1: Well, this is a remarkable time, since I was just 20 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:22,039 Speaker 1: at the press conference. I've known BB since nineteen eighty 21 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:24,919 Speaker 1: four and watching the two of them interact was fascinating. 22 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:29,120 Speaker 1: Can you walk us through what you think made Netna 23 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 1: Who's visit to Washington so significant in terms of diplomatic relations. 24 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 2: I think that President Trump is putting his stake in 25 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 2: the ground, and he is declaring his incredible support for 26 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 2: the state of Israel, which in his first term he declared, 27 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 2: and he is now picking that up, and he is 28 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 2: making this a cornerstone of his next administration, of this 29 00:01:57,320 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 2: current administration that he's now come into. He's making good 30 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 2: on his campaign promises. He's walking the talk. I don't 31 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 2: think Trump needs to pander necessarily to specifically the Jewish people. 32 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 2: I believe this is a moral call of what's right 33 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 2: is right, and he recognizes this severity of the disillusionment 34 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 2: of what's happened in the past, and the fact that 35 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:32,639 Speaker 2: we've been negotiating with terrorists and setting up, you know, 36 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 2: sort of a rand by itself, the proxies to go 37 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 2: ahead and culminate into what happened October seventh. So I'm 38 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 2: really encouraged in all of this sort of wokeness of 39 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 2: the world that we've been living in, of this crazy 40 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 2: dissonance and the unreasonableness of what has been labeled the 41 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 2: useful idiots. It is refreshing. It is a splash of 42 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 2: water to finally see someone stand up and talk common 43 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:01,959 Speaker 2: sense and say we've got to end this and we 44 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 2: got to move forward, and that's how we're going to 45 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:03,839 Speaker 2: do it. 46 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 1: I was very struck with the boldness of what Trump 47 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:13,240 Speaker 1: was proposing, but also with the balance. He spoke in 48 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 1: a way more favorably about Palestinians as people and about 49 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 1: Iranians as people, putting in context that doesn't have to 50 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:25,920 Speaker 1: be hostility, that in fact, there ought to be a 51 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 1: way we could move forward by eliminating the terrorism, by 52 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 1: eliminating the nuclear weapons, and move towards a world where 53 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 1: everybody could be dramatically safer and dramatically more prosperous. And 54 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 1: I thought that that was a maturity that I suspect 55 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 1: Trump has acquired over the last eight years that makes 56 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 1: him very different in that he's tougher than our most 57 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 1: accommodationist presidents, but at the same time he's actually trying 58 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 1: to find a way to relate to the very people 59 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 1: he's being tough with. I thought that was a very 60 00:03:58,320 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 1: interesting balancing act. 61 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 2: I agree, and it is often the leaders of these 62 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 2: countries that are corrupt and use their citizens as human 63 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 2: shields and victimize them. And they live in squalor, these people, 64 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:21,599 Speaker 2: and to distract the world from their corruption, they use 65 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 2: this sort of narrative of what they're going to do. 66 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 2: But Trump, I agree with you one hundred percent. What 67 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 2: he has done is he's humanized the situation. And I 68 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 2: recall where he specifically answered a reporter who is antagonizing 69 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 2: him and said, of course, Palestinian people, all people will 70 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 2: be welcome here. That's the whole point of this. And 71 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:46,119 Speaker 2: that was the whole point in two thousand and five 72 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 2: when Israel handed off the Gaza strip to Faughta at 73 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:52,600 Speaker 2: the time, and we all know what happened and I 74 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:55,720 Speaker 2: must took over. But the whole point was to give 75 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:59,720 Speaker 2: the Palestinian people an opportunity at what they've been asking 76 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 2: for at the statehood. And of course we know what happened, 77 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 2: and what they've turned Gaza into, what they could have 78 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 2: turned it into is a different story. And that's what 79 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 2: President Truffy's classic classic real estate tycoon and sort of 80 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 2: sees the vision. I gotta love it. I gotta love 81 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:17,159 Speaker 2: what he says. But he's absolutely right. I've been there. 82 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 2: I've been to Gaza, I've been along the Mediterranean coast. 83 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 2: Tel Aviva is unbelievable. What they've done with Tel Aviv 84 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 2: and the boardwalk and the hotels, and it's just beautiful, 85 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 2: the beaches. There's no reason why you can't have that 86 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:33,119 Speaker 2: in Gaza. Gaza could be the riviera of the Middle 87 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:37,280 Speaker 2: East and cater to all these people. It could facilitate 88 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 2: thousands of jobs and coexistence and peace. But you know, 89 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 2: without respect and without the education and removing the syllabus 90 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 2: of hate, it's going to be a difficult challenge to 91 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 2: achieve that. I like what you're saying, and I like 92 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 2: Trump's attitude of the Iranians are people. I know many Persians. 93 00:05:56,680 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 2: They're wonderful people, very intelligent. But the Iranian region is evil. 94 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:04,840 Speaker 2: And I'm sure that there are gass there Palestinis that 95 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 2: just want to live their lives, to have good lives, 96 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 2: just like anybody else out there. But there are the 97 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 2: corrupt leadership that uses these people as human shields. And 98 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:17,719 Speaker 2: that's the most terrible result and tragic result of much 99 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:18,719 Speaker 2: of this that's happened. 100 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 1: You raise, I think two very different points. If we 101 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 1: just stick with Gazer from it. One is how do 102 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 1: we go in in a very tough minded way, for example, 103 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 1: and eliminate all of the hatred from the school system. 104 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:41,280 Speaker 1: We do not suffy Germany in a very aggressive way. 105 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 1: And we almost need to recognize that it's not just 106 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 1: Hamas as a military force, but it's the psychology of 107 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 1: Hamas and the psychology of hatred that has to be 108 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 1: driven out at the same time. If we can find 109 00:06:57,440 --> 00:07:00,839 Speaker 1: a way to do that, and that's one project. If 110 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 1: we think about the point you made about Gaza at 111 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 1: the same point that Trump made, which is, if you 112 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 1: take the natural gas offshore, which probably is a valuable 113 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 1: enough that by itself could pay for a great deal 114 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 1: of the reconstruction, if you actually had safety, so you 115 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 1: would have a riviera. I'm certain that as a real 116 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 1: estate guy, Trump looked at the current disaster in Gaza. 117 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 1: In the back of his head, he's thinking, Okay, the 118 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 1: Trump golf courses will go over here, the Trump Beachfront 119 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 1: hotel will be over here. I felt like I was 120 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 1: listening to a guy who's right at the edge of 121 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 1: a real estate deal, rather than dealing with a guy 122 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 1: who's just thinking politically. But that's part of his. 123 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 2: Genius, probably a great investment. 124 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 1: I've talked to him about it. He's absolutely convinced that 125 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 1: properly developed Gaza will be one of the highest points 126 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 1: of return. Israelis have a forty four thousand dollars a 127 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 1: year per capita income. Before the war, Gaza was a 128 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 1: little above one thousand. 129 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:04,119 Speaker 2: Well a thousand for people who didn't work for Unra. 130 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:10,239 Speaker 2: Unra pays its employees, many of them Hamas operatives, about 131 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 2: two hundred and thirty five thousand US year. My son 132 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 2: is an IDEF that was in the IDF, an active 133 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 2: service in Gaza, and he would call me from the 134 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 2: mansions that belonged to the Hamas operatives where they were stationed, 135 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 2: and he'd say, Dad, I don't think for a second, 136 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 2: this is just such third world I got to tell 137 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 2: you what we found here. And he went through. He 138 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 2: showed me a lot of the stuff, state of the 139 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 2: art audio systems, flat screen TVs, gorgeous Mediterranean side mansions 140 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 2: were looking so good when he was there, but would 141 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 2: have looked really good at some point. I mean, yeah, 142 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 2: there's a lot of corruption there. Why don't address what 143 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 2: you just said though about what do we need to 144 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 2: move forward? And answer of the education. If I can 145 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:55,440 Speaker 2: just touch on that for a minute. First of all, 146 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:59,440 Speaker 2: there can be in the short term, absolutely no compromise, 147 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:05,439 Speaker 2: and it comes to demilitarizing the Gaza strip and Hamas 148 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:09,720 Speaker 2: must go. They must be outlawed. They are a terrorist organization, 149 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:13,840 Speaker 2: They're a bad faith actor. You cannot believe anything they say. 150 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 2: They are terrorists and they have to go. They cannot 151 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 2: remain in control. I do agree in an international or 152 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 2: in some kind of effort to bring in slowly, to 153 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:28,559 Speaker 2: bring in a government, a local government of some kind. 154 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:32,559 Speaker 2: And I think that we have to be draconian about 155 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 2: our efforts over there. There can be no compromise. There 156 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:40,199 Speaker 2: is no negotiation. This current hostage deal that's being done 157 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 2: is being done because it has to be done. But 158 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 2: you know, you're dealing with the lovers of death. And 159 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 2: I talk about that in the wake Up Call, the 160 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 2: lovers of life versus the lovers of death. And yes, 161 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 2: you know here we are in Western civilization. And that 162 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 2: is actually why the Maad is capitalized on my book, 163 00:09:56,720 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 2: because we have grown up, as you know, Nude, We've 164 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:04,080 Speaker 2: grown up in this theory, this political theory of mutually 165 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 2: shared destruction. When it came to the East and West 166 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:10,840 Speaker 2: pagemonic battle for control over the world. It's always been about, hey, 167 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 2: if we build up enough arms to take them up, 168 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 2: and they build enough arms to take us out, no 169 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 2: one's going to push the button. But that thinking, that 170 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:20,319 Speaker 2: leverage of human life, the value that we give to 171 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:24,200 Speaker 2: human life, does not apply to these jihadis, and that 172 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 2: is a key point that Western civilization needs to understand. So, yes, 173 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:32,320 Speaker 2: we have to completely wipe out Hamas and there can 174 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:34,680 Speaker 2: be no terrorism. And you're going to have to deal 175 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 2: with Iran because Iran is funding this, and we have 176 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:41,440 Speaker 2: to set rules for proxies like countries like Qatar that 177 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 2: is pouring billions of dollars into this, that have facilitated it. 178 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:48,840 Speaker 2: That's a whole other subject. But we must deal with 179 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:50,960 Speaker 2: the head of the snake here because as long as 180 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 2: they're dealt with, they will continue to provide terror proxies 181 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 2: to unsettle any plans. And I want to talk about 182 00:10:57,400 --> 00:11:00,960 Speaker 2: education because it's not just the education of the syllabus 183 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 2: of hate that's happening in Gas. Of course, that's happening, 184 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 2: and kids from a very young age are taught terrible 185 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 2: untruths about Israel. And are taught about violence and about 186 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 2: everything of a genocidal intent and sacrificing their lives to 187 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 2: this cause. And this is an edict coming from a 188 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 2: much higher source. But also in America, also in any 189 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:25,439 Speaker 2: free world. We've got it on Australia and Europe and Canada, 190 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 2: especially Canada, and in America, we need to legislatively define 191 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 2: what hate is. We need to finally put our foot 192 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 2: down and say when you go ahead and have slogans 193 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 2: of genocide, slogans that ultimately are a cover up for genocide, 194 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 2: that needs to be outlawed. And I know it's controversial 195 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 2: because it's definitely going to conflict with the First Amendment, 196 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:52,440 Speaker 2: with the whole thing of freedom of speech. And I 197 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:55,680 Speaker 2: get that, but they have used freedom of speech against 198 00:11:55,720 --> 00:12:00,960 Speaker 2: our moral compass to instigate this syllaba of hate that 199 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:05,439 Speaker 2: is used to promote violence against Jewish people. But it's 200 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:09,080 Speaker 2: not just violence against Jewish people because the Jihadis. The 201 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:12,839 Speaker 2: Jihadis have no there are no rules to who they 202 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:15,959 Speaker 2: take out. On January first, in New Orleans, we saw 203 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 2: a truck cloud through a lot of people, Christians, jude Muslims. 204 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 2: It doesn't matter who they are. It's indiscriminate, the collateral 205 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 2: damages of no consequence. What matters is the global message 206 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 2: of violence to take over the world, and that's what 207 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 2: people need to understand what's at stake. So yes, we 208 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:37,200 Speaker 2: have to go in. We have to define hate, we 209 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 2: have to outlaw hate, and we have to encourage or 210 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 2: legislate or somehow supervise. I think anyways, the syllabus that 211 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 2: we're teaching our children, because it happens with our children, 212 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 2: it happens at a very young age where we must, 213 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 2: like you said, in Europe, we denacified Germany. That is 214 00:12:56,880 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 2: exactly what needs to happen here, and it has to 215 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 2: happen with a heavy hand. And I think President Trump 216 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:04,080 Speaker 2: might be the right guy to at least get that started. 217 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:22,440 Speaker 1: Were you surprised by the scale of anti Semitism on 218 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 1: the American campuses? 219 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 2: I was shocked. I was blown away. I was completely betrayed. 220 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 2: I cannot believe not only the speed by which it happened, 221 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 2: nude I left for Europe on October eighth, and I 222 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 2: went on a tour for some business to several different cities, 223 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 2: and I couldn't believe the speed in which the protests. 224 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 2: It was like it was all planned, it was all staged, 225 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 2: ready to launch. And many of these people that are 226 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 2: on these campuses are not students. They're busted in. They're 227 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 2: paid for by organizations that have for years fact acronyms 228 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:10,200 Speaker 2: like bds, like boycott, investment and sanctions. DEI components have 229 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 2: come in there. People think that they're joining this as 230 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 2: social justice warriors, when in fact it's just unbridled hate 231 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 2: and anti semitism. And when you have three of the 232 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 2: presidents of the most prestigious universities in America go before 233 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 2: Congress under oath and when asked if anything that's going 234 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 2: on jeopardizes the safety of the Jewish students on campus, 235 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 2: and they say undeniably no, and they say that is 236 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 2: yet to be determined. It is an embarrassment. It is 237 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 2: a shameful thing to America. But not only watching the 238 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 2: speed in which these encampments and protests have taken place, 239 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 2: that's not the shocking thing. The shocking thing is the 240 00:14:54,520 --> 00:15:00,160 Speaker 2: betrayal and the inability and the hesitation by the very 241 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 2: people who protect our social contract, by the public administration 242 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 2: of justice and by the policing mechanisms that are in 243 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 2: place to keep social order to stand by and to 244 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 2: just allow this to happen without our leaders speaking up 245 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 2: strongly about it, and in fact, by doing so, the 246 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 2: apathy has encouraged, the complacency has endorsed, and the actions 247 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 2: have rationalized and justified this continued type of anti semitism. 248 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 2: This is what happened in the nineteen thirties, and this 249 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 2: is what's now shockingly happening in twenty twenty four, in 250 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 2: twenty twenty five. And so you asked me if I 251 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 2: was shocked, I have to tell you something new, to 252 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 2: be honest with you. I grew up disillusioned. I grew 253 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:49,000 Speaker 2: up as a Canadian. I felt safe, I felt privileged, 254 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 2: I felt protected. I felt that I was under a 255 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 2: social contract that worried about every one of the diversified, 256 00:15:57,200 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 2: multicultural citizens of this country. And I was shocked and betrayed. 257 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 2: I felt complete betrayal as a Jewish person. I felt 258 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 2: totally betrayed by my own government. I felt unwelcome in 259 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 2: my own home. And I suspect that many many people 260 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 2: have felt the same way. And I talk about this 261 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 2: in the wake Up Call because I just had to 262 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 2: get it out, and I articulate that for people who 263 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 2: feel that type of isolation. 264 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 1: Do you think that it's as bad in Europe. 265 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 2: I think it's worse at the risk of sounding is Lamophobic, 266 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 2: because we have to stop that, you know, we have 267 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 2: to stop being worried about what we sound like. I've encountered, 268 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 2: like the Muslim radical ideology and jihadism that has infected 269 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 2: Europe has screwed Europe. I mean demographically it's well over 270 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 2: the percentage. If they don't knit this, I don't know 271 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 2: how they're going to save themselves. But I would say 272 00:16:57,200 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 2: that Europe is definitely at much greater risk radicalization. You've 273 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:04,960 Speaker 2: got complete neighborhoods that are under Sharia law that the 274 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 2: regular police will not even enter into with they warn 275 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:10,640 Speaker 2: you not to come into. But it's coming to America 276 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:13,119 Speaker 2: and it's coming to Canada. I got to tell you 277 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 2: that there is an artery here in Toronto that is 278 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 2: access to a highway called the four oh one that 279 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 2: is just on the outskirts of a Jewish area, predominantly 280 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 2: Jewish area in North York. And when I approached that 281 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 2: on ramp and there was protesters with flags with flags 282 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:35,160 Speaker 2: saying from the River to the Sea, which is a 283 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:38,719 Speaker 2: genocidal intent. For sure. The mantra that has come up, 284 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:42,120 Speaker 2: amongst many others have come up and a police officer 285 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 2: and I'm seeing them serve coffee to the protesters, and 286 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 2: a police officer comes out to me and says, sir, 287 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:48,879 Speaker 2: I think you should turn around, and I think you 288 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:50,639 Speaker 2: should go back to where you came from. This is 289 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:53,399 Speaker 2: too unsafe for you. I was like, what are you 290 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:57,360 Speaker 2: talking about? I was incredilist. We have a beautiful mall 291 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:00,120 Speaker 2: downtown in Toronto called the Eaton Center, and there's a 292 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:03,919 Speaker 2: store that's available in America as well called Zaras, and 293 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:06,879 Speaker 2: for some reason, I don't know exactly what the reason was. 294 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 2: I think it was some kind of advertising that offended 295 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:13,680 Speaker 2: the pro Palestinian segment. And people wear masked and they're 296 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 2: masked when they protest. They've got these kafas and they 297 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 2: hide their faces and they're intimidating and they're violent. The 298 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:23,080 Speaker 2: guy comes up to the police officer and right in 299 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 2: his face, he says, I'm going to take you six 300 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 2: feet under man. Because the officer was trying to keep 301 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:30,680 Speaker 2: order and protect the store, and they did nothing. They 302 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:33,919 Speaker 2: allowed this guy to just spew out this type of 303 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:36,919 Speaker 2: threat against police. I don't know, but in America, you 304 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 2: go up to an officer of the law and you 305 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:41,480 Speaker 2: threaten to kill them. I think you're going down. I 306 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 2: think you're going down. 307 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 1: Well you should be. 308 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's absolutely unacceptable. So the narrative, the narrative that's 309 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:50,399 Speaker 2: come out of this what I call the lawlessness and 310 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:54,960 Speaker 2: anarchy that has really been birthed by the events of 311 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 2: October seventh the aftermath. But it's the complacency that has 312 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 2: given license to the rise in anti Semitism. That is 313 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 2: what scares me more than anything else new. And I'm 314 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 2: glad to see the turnaround. I'm glad to see President 315 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:10,480 Speaker 2: Trump has called it what it is. He's revamping the 316 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:14,359 Speaker 2: education system, and he's calling it out. And I really 317 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 2: felt like, for once in a long time, I felt like, Ah, 318 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:20,679 Speaker 2: I could breathe. I could breathe. This craziness and this 319 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:24,879 Speaker 2: lunacy of what we've experienced in the previous administration and 320 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:30,120 Speaker 2: disillusionment of the liberal left, wocism is starting to crumble 321 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:32,520 Speaker 2: and fade away, and it's no longer in favor. 322 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 1: Let me switch for a second. The October seventh attack, 323 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 1: which has been described as the worst military break on 324 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:43,680 Speaker 1: Israel's history and certainly the largest assault on the Jewish 325 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:47,400 Speaker 1: community since the Holocaust. How mud such an attack have happened? 326 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:52,679 Speaker 2: That very single question is on the tip of everyone's 327 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 2: tongue everywhere where I've been, and it was the impetus 328 00:19:56,640 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 2: for me running this book because on January, when I 329 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 2: traveled to Israel in twenty twenty four, after my son 330 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:06,320 Speaker 2: I was supposed to go before, right after October seventh, 331 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:08,640 Speaker 2: I told I'm coming. He's like, Dad, do not come. 332 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:11,280 Speaker 2: I don't need to be worried about you here. I've 333 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:14,120 Speaker 2: got a job to do, and you and mom need 334 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 2: to stay where you are. Please do not come here. 335 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:18,480 Speaker 2: It was very difficult to hear that and very scary 336 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:20,359 Speaker 2: at the same time. But I understood it and I 337 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:23,359 Speaker 2: respected it. I didn't want to distract him. And when 338 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 2: we came in January, one of the first things I 339 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 2: did is because I just couldn't understand, Like you, I 340 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:31,880 Speaker 2: asked the same question. Everyone asked the same questions, how 341 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 2: did this happen? I phoned up a military contact of mine. 342 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 2: I've got several contacts in the IDF, and I've got 343 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 2: permission to go into the border of Gaza, and I 344 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 2: said to them, I want to walk from the border 345 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:48,480 Speaker 2: that was breached in Gaza by Nahalas, which is where 346 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 2: the greatest amount of damage was done to that base. 347 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:53,960 Speaker 2: And that was my son's base at one time, and 348 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 2: I wanted to walk from there to be and I 349 00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 2: walked it and it took me under forty minutes to 350 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 2: walk it. And you can imagine these terrists, five thousand 351 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:08,120 Speaker 2: terraces that took two years to develop this plan, were 352 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:12,000 Speaker 2: on bikes, motorbikes and hand gliders and pickup trucks, so 353 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 2: it only took them about fifteen minutes to travel that 354 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 2: two kilometers. And I wanted to travel this. And let 355 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:20,199 Speaker 2: me tell you something. The land between Gaza, between the 356 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:23,880 Speaker 2: border and between bay Area is beautiful, idyllic land. It's 357 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:28,439 Speaker 2: rolling hills, it's wonderful, people have picnics. It's park area, 358 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:32,360 Speaker 2: it's conservation area. You're not talking about desert here. It's 359 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:35,200 Speaker 2: beautifully maintain land. And they made their way there. When 360 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:38,399 Speaker 2: I went to Bay Arie, I walked inside the area 361 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 2: which is the key butts where many people were brutally 362 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:44,879 Speaker 2: murdered on that day, where people were kidnapped, and I 363 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:48,159 Speaker 2: saw the bullet holes. In fact, and I walked in 364 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:50,959 Speaker 2: there and I saw stains on the streets. But the 365 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 2: worst thing was new was that there was a green 366 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:58,760 Speaker 2: tent set up on a playground, on a children's playground, 367 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 2: where you had a rabbi, where you had archaeologists, and 368 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 2: where you had doctors, and you know what they were doing. 369 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:08,879 Speaker 2: They were sifting through the ashes and running them through 370 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:15,440 Speaker 2: DNA so that Jewish people wouldn't be buried alongside those 371 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:19,159 Speaker 2: that murdered them. And I just I lost it. And 372 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:21,680 Speaker 2: that night I went back to my Tel Aviv apartment. 373 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:24,560 Speaker 2: My wife and I had gone to the hospital Atoschamer 374 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 2: to talk with many of the survivors of the Nova 375 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:30,639 Speaker 2: festival who are now amputees and terribly disfigured, and we 376 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:32,920 Speaker 2: went to try to just speak to them and let 377 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:35,640 Speaker 2: them know that we're here. We do that regularly. And 378 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 2: I went back and I went to sleep that night. 379 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:39,159 Speaker 2: I was exhausted. I got up at four in the 380 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 2: morning and I was in a cold sweat, and I 381 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:44,639 Speaker 2: sat at my computer as I overlooked the Tel Aviv 382 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 2: skyline that was just starting to wake up, and I 383 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 2: started to cry. I cried for humanity, I cried for 384 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 2: the devastation and the brutality that can come to this. 385 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:57,200 Speaker 2: I don't care about the politics. I don't care about 386 00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:59,920 Speaker 2: what is the background for this, But the fact is 387 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 2: that that type of brutalization not only does it happen, 388 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 2: but that people are out in the streets rationalizing it. 389 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:12,239 Speaker 2: Women were raped, children were beheaded, people were kidnapped. They 390 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:15,879 Speaker 2: are being used as human shields, human life being commoditized 391 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 2: for terrorist purposes, and we are forced to negotiate with 392 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 2: those terrorists. And I cried, and on my computer screet 393 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 2: I wrote, how the same question you just asked me? 394 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:29,760 Speaker 2: And I sat there and over the course of a night, 395 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:34,119 Speaker 2: I felt a calling, and I felt seven observations that 396 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 2: I made, And that is what the book is about, 397 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 2: the seven observations that I made to the answer the 398 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:43,720 Speaker 2: observations that I paused as to the how of October 399 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:48,400 Speaker 2: seventh having happened. And I could tell you those observations, 400 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,239 Speaker 2: but the entire book is based on it. And so 401 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 2: if you asked me, it's not a simple question. You know, 402 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:58,520 Speaker 2: in the Old Testament, when someone came to Rabbi Hillel 403 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:01,240 Speaker 2: and said, can you please, it explained to me the 404 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:04,960 Speaker 2: entire Testament he said, I can't do that on one foot, 405 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 2: but I'll tell you what, and this has to apply 406 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 2: to us today. He says, if you love your fellow 407 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 2: man as you would yourself, if you have respect for 408 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:18,719 Speaker 2: each other, that will solve all the world problems. One 409 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 2: of the seventh reasons that I come up with in 410 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:25,920 Speaker 2: the observations I made is disunity in the world, disunity 411 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:30,239 Speaker 2: between people, the fact that we've lost our way and 412 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 2: that we allowed something like this to happen because Israel 413 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 2: was put into such a situation to be manipulated by 414 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:42,879 Speaker 2: the outside interests of other countries, of other leaders, and 415 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:46,400 Speaker 2: to have to end up with a negotiating policy, a 416 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 2: policy of prosperity for peace, so that they would turn 417 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:54,160 Speaker 2: a blind eye to the very people who are terrorists, 418 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:57,160 Speaker 2: who have proven themselves a terrorists as they spent two 419 00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:00,119 Speaker 2: years to plan out this attack. That is the a 420 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 2: terrible tragedy of this. The fact that we have organizations 421 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 2: that claim to be legitimate organizations that to govern the 422 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 2: social contract, if you will, of the world, like the 423 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:18,280 Speaker 2: United Nations, who have abused and betrayed the very principle 424 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:21,520 Speaker 2: by which they are supposed to stand. And we need 425 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:26,439 Speaker 2: a reset of all of that, but seven observations that 426 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:29,480 Speaker 2: I made in the wake up Call, which include the 427 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:32,040 Speaker 2: East West battle for dominance. I think this thing goes 428 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 2: seventy five years back. I think a lot of ideologies 429 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 2: were developed that have kind of brought this forward. Non 430 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:44,679 Speaker 2: state terror proxies I've talked about Iran. Iran is the 431 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:49,400 Speaker 2: head of the snake. The Iranian regime has proxies, including 432 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:55,240 Speaker 2: has Balah, including Hamas, including the Huti, and including many 433 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 2: others lined up to do their bidding with funding from 434 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:02,639 Speaker 2: Qatar and from other areas. That's got to stop the 435 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 2: funding of terrorism to the tune of two billion dollars 436 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 2: that went into the Gaza strip, including Yunra a budget 437 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 2: of one point six billion dollars. Let me tell you Anon, 438 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 2: terrorism is big business. We know that there's people at 439 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:18,239 Speaker 2: the top of the food chain who are more than 440 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 2: happy to let young people die and kill themselves and 441 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 2: kill others. But these guys, they got beautiful investments in 442 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:29,919 Speaker 2: the West. They've got good wealth managers. Probably it's some 443 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:34,040 Speaker 2: Jewish wealth manager is probably managing their cash and stuff 444 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:38,000 Speaker 2: making investments for them. It's terrible anyways, funding of terrorism. 445 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:42,680 Speaker 2: The Palestinian refugee crisis is a non crisis in my opinion. 446 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,560 Speaker 2: I explain why in the book. It's the biggest gaff. 447 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:49,720 Speaker 2: It's the victimization of the Palestinian people. There is no 448 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:53,639 Speaker 2: refugee crisis and the syllabus of hate, which I've already 449 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 2: talked about. Israel's political system does not meet the needs 450 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:03,200 Speaker 2: of its masters today. Israel's political system does not serve 451 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 2: the heterogeneous society that Israel has become. We have to 452 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:10,880 Speaker 2: change that. Israel does not have a constitution, it does 453 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:12,919 Speaker 2: not have two houses, it does not have a proper 454 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:16,720 Speaker 2: electoral system. That must be changed because the people are 455 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:21,159 Speaker 2: not being properly represented, and minority interests tend to be 456 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:25,200 Speaker 2: driving the policies of the country. And finally, Jewish disunity 457 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:29,080 Speaker 2: we've gone through. Our enemies were watching and it says 458 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 2: something about Israel, and it says something about the democracy 459 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:33,920 Speaker 2: of Israel and the fact that Israel is the only 460 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 2: place in the Middle East where people could rally and 461 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 2: can demonstrate against the government without fear of reprisal, without 462 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:44,199 Speaker 2: fear of imprisonment, without fear of violence. But yet the 463 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 2: world watched as the Jews were divided. Because the world 464 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,680 Speaker 2: holds us holds the Jewish people at a higher standard. 465 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,960 Speaker 2: Perhaps that our enemies were also watching. And as the 466 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:55,679 Speaker 2: Good Book will tell you, is the Old Testament to 467 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:59,160 Speaker 2: tell you. When Moses brought the people into Israel, he 468 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:02,520 Speaker 2: made a declary, very very simple. If you observe the 469 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,040 Speaker 2: way of the land, then you will be safe from 470 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:08,040 Speaker 2: your enemies. But as soon as you don't observe the 471 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,600 Speaker 2: way of the land, which we call in Hebrew aras. 472 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:12,119 Speaker 2: As soon as you do not observe the way of 473 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,480 Speaker 2: the land, your enemies will notice, they will come and 474 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:16,159 Speaker 2: they will destroy you. And what is the way of 475 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,200 Speaker 2: the land I set up before. It's respect for each other, 476 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:22,480 Speaker 2: the root of the way of land as respect. Those 477 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:24,560 Speaker 2: are the seven observations I made new. 478 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:42,440 Speaker 1: Why does Starter get away with being such a center 479 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 1: of supporting terrorism. 480 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 2: My son says something that made me fall off the chair. 481 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 2: He said, there is no allah when you own a bagatti. 482 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:56,680 Speaker 2: And I think that these guys, they're in business. It's 483 00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:01,440 Speaker 2: big business terrorism, and they've got intro that are going 484 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 2: to benefit from an unstable Middle East where they're sort 485 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:11,840 Speaker 2: of seen as the negotiator, as the gatekeeper. I really 486 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 2: don't know enough you know. I've been to Bahrain, I've 487 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,280 Speaker 2: been to Dubai, I've been to the area over there. 488 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:20,520 Speaker 2: I've not been to Qatar. But they have become a 489 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:26,520 Speaker 2: safe haven to situation themselves as a broker between the terrorists, 490 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,000 Speaker 2: and it's really doing the deal with the devil. But 491 00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:31,920 Speaker 2: how they get away with it, that's not a question 492 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:32,680 Speaker 2: for me to answer. 493 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,320 Speaker 1: But it seems to me that's a place where the 494 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,480 Speaker 1: Trump approach could change them overnight. 495 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,360 Speaker 2: And I think that they're probably worried about that too, 496 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:45,200 Speaker 2: and they're pivoting. They're pivoting because they're not stupid people, 497 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:48,480 Speaker 2: and they realize, just like all these corporations that came 498 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:52,480 Speaker 2: to sit by the king at the inauguration, they realize 499 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,160 Speaker 2: where their bread is buttered. Trump started in his first 500 00:29:55,320 --> 00:30:00,800 Speaker 2: administration courageously enough. I think the abram Accords, we're heroic 501 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:05,400 Speaker 2: and they continue to be the guiding light for peace 502 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:07,920 Speaker 2: in the Middle East. I've been in business many years. 503 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:09,720 Speaker 2: I've been a writer, have been involved many things, and 504 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:11,840 Speaker 2: there's one thing I've learned. You've got to move forward. 505 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:14,240 Speaker 2: You've got to move forward. And you've got a few 506 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:16,360 Speaker 2: years on me, a little bit more experience, and I 507 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 2: don't know if you'd agree with. 508 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,640 Speaker 1: Me absolutely, and if you watch Trump, that's his entire style. 509 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:23,560 Speaker 2: And I agree, we need to move forward. Okay, I'm 510 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:26,640 Speaker 2: not suggesting or minimizing at all, but you know, I 511 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,400 Speaker 2: wrote another book before this book called Moving through Walls, 512 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,720 Speaker 2: where I talked about grief and I talked about injustice. 513 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:36,240 Speaker 2: And I say to people that you have three times 514 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:39,120 Speaker 2: that you can talk about the injustice. At the fourth time, 515 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:43,080 Speaker 2: you become a victim, and you need to move forward, 516 00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:44,959 Speaker 2: and you need to change the narrative, and you need 517 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,200 Speaker 2: to become a hero of your own story. I cannot 518 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,840 Speaker 2: even imagine the pain and suffering of people who are 519 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:56,560 Speaker 2: affected by war, affected by terrorism, affected by everything. And 520 00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:59,200 Speaker 2: I'm talking about the people within Gaza just as much 521 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 2: as i'm talking about the people within Israel. And I'm 522 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:05,000 Speaker 2: not talking about sides here. I'm talking about human suffering, 523 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:09,440 Speaker 2: human suffering that happens at the hands of powerful people. 524 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,920 Speaker 2: And I can imagine that. But we can't perpetuate the violence. 525 00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:16,600 Speaker 2: Violence long term will not work. We need to find 526 00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,160 Speaker 2: a place, a middle ground. We need to find love, 527 00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:21,280 Speaker 2: we need to find peace, and we do that through 528 00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:27,120 Speaker 2: prosperity and Trump knows this. Feed people. Give them a future, 529 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,600 Speaker 2: give their children a future, give them an opportunity to 530 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:33,880 Speaker 2: be educated. We need to remove the terror, the Jihadahs, 531 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,080 Speaker 2: the violence. We need to cut the head of the 532 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:39,200 Speaker 2: snake right off, and we need to move forward. And 533 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,600 Speaker 2: that is what President Trump is doing. I've got to 534 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:44,280 Speaker 2: provide in the accolades. He deserves the credit he deserves 535 00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:47,880 Speaker 2: despite the man himself. Okay, and we all know the 536 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:51,280 Speaker 2: trump Ism, but he's doing what needs to be done, 537 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:54,320 Speaker 2: the hard work, and he's playing it straight, straight and 538 00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:56,920 Speaker 2: cannon to the point. And we need that now in 539 00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:58,160 Speaker 2: a world we need saving. 540 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,320 Speaker 1: How off for a slight modification what you just said, 541 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:08,240 Speaker 1: you need understanding and love and support. Immediately after victory, 542 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:12,880 Speaker 1: we had to beat Nazi Germany and then denocify. We 543 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:16,480 Speaker 1: have to destroy Hamas and then treat the Palestinian people 544 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:19,680 Speaker 1: much better than they've been treated. We have to break 545 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:23,000 Speaker 1: the theocratic dictatorship and then deal with the Iranian people 546 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,280 Speaker 1: as they should be. But there is a component of 547 00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,360 Speaker 1: first making sure that the people want to kill you 548 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:31,800 Speaker 1: can't otherwise nothing works. 549 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,720 Speaker 2: I completely agree with you, k Newton, and I appreciate 550 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,440 Speaker 2: your wisdom, and you're absolutely right. It is a hard 551 00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:41,200 Speaker 2: reality that we have to face that. Like I said before, 552 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,280 Speaker 2: we have to be draconian in the short term, and 553 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:47,320 Speaker 2: that's correct. There can be no compromise. There can be 554 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:48,120 Speaker 2: no compromise. 555 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:50,880 Speaker 1: Well, it's really a variation of something Churchill had said 556 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,719 Speaker 1: that you have to have victory, but then you have 557 00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:55,520 Speaker 1: to have generosity. 558 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:58,720 Speaker 2: And compassion and empathy and understanding. And we have to 559 00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,640 Speaker 2: implement that right away. We learned about that when we're 560 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,080 Speaker 2: in sports. In my coach, we'd win a game and 561 00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:05,880 Speaker 2: the first thing you got to do is shake the 562 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,480 Speaker 2: hands of the people you went against. I think that 563 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:10,240 Speaker 2: that is a hard thing to do. That is a 564 00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:11,840 Speaker 2: very hard thing to do, and we're going to need 565 00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:13,520 Speaker 2: some very mature discipline. 566 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,760 Speaker 1: One of the greatest weaknesses of Israel, which I've talked 567 00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:19,600 Speaker 1: to out a lot for twenty years, is you have 568 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:23,160 Speaker 1: to have a vision of a future in which peace 569 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:27,120 Speaker 1: and prosperity and safety are possible for everybody in the region. 570 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:31,080 Speaker 1: And so you have to have a larger vision than 571 00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:33,280 Speaker 1: just stopping Amas. You have to have a vision of 572 00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:37,160 Speaker 1: a Palestinian future that somehow offers them a sense of 573 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:40,960 Speaker 1: hope and something better than killing this is. 574 00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:44,640 Speaker 2: Where I come to with respect to Israel's political system, 575 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:49,000 Speaker 2: is that the voice of reason is lost in the 576 00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:52,680 Speaker 2: radicalization of people on the right. And what you're saying 577 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:56,560 Speaker 2: is something that many people within the center of the 578 00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,320 Speaker 2: political spectrum agree with, and I would say the majority 579 00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:03,800 Speaker 2: of the people agree with. We want to live peacefully, 580 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:07,200 Speaker 2: and we want to live beside our neighbors peacefully. The 581 00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:12,719 Speaker 2: idea of this constant stress of violence needs to be 582 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:16,080 Speaker 2: removed from our future. And you're absolutely correct. It is 583 00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:18,520 Speaker 2: a weakness and it's a weakness of Israel that is 584 00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,440 Speaker 2: designed by the very fact that we have a political 585 00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:28,360 Speaker 2: system where we must negotiate and form governments through negotiations 586 00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:31,560 Speaker 2: with those who represents the smallest of minority in the country. 587 00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:34,680 Speaker 2: And I'm going to say this, and maybe it's unpopular, 588 00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:36,600 Speaker 2: and it's not that I'm a peace nick and I'm 589 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:39,520 Speaker 2: not a political person, but I'm just a theorist. I'm 590 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:43,040 Speaker 2: a political theorist, and I see it, and you're absolutely regnant. 591 00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:46,160 Speaker 2: You've got the wisdom and definitely, from the experience of 592 00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:49,719 Speaker 2: many years of having seen this repeat itself over and 593 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:53,560 Speaker 2: over again, the only long term solution is going to 594 00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,279 Speaker 2: be education is going to be peace is going to 595 00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:59,120 Speaker 2: be respect is going to be understanding, and it's the 596 00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:01,160 Speaker 2: art of the deal. And Trump will say this, and 597 00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,360 Speaker 2: I've heard it, and it's what I bring into my 598 00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:07,040 Speaker 2: business as well. When you negotiate a deal, you got 599 00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:10,720 Speaker 2: a negotiated deal, and propose the deal that you would 600 00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:13,319 Speaker 2: accept if you were on the other side, because that's 601 00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:18,760 Speaker 2: a true partnership. So once the violence is gone, once 602 00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:23,000 Speaker 2: we're able to eliminate the threat, we can't take our 603 00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:26,120 Speaker 2: foot and put it on the chest of those and 604 00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:31,120 Speaker 2: subjugate them. Otherwise we do continue the cycle of violence. 605 00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:33,840 Speaker 2: We need to step back and we need to offer 606 00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:37,120 Speaker 2: them a deal of life. The problem, though, Newt and 607 00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:40,680 Speaker 2: this is the problem, the impossible situation that we're in 608 00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:44,760 Speaker 2: is that these are the lovers of death. They believe 609 00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:47,920 Speaker 2: in this martyrdom. They believe in the idea that there 610 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:52,080 Speaker 2: are seventy two versions awaiting them. They believe that martyrdom 611 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,520 Speaker 2: is there. Rizond to trust to life, and we have 612 00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:57,400 Speaker 2: to remove that from the education of the young people 613 00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:01,640 Speaker 2: from kindergarten. And we need the these children to understand, 614 00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:04,080 Speaker 2: we need them to become lovers of life. So the 615 00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:07,760 Speaker 2: real challenge here is being able to change the attitude 616 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:09,600 Speaker 2: of the lovers from death to the lover's life. Because 617 00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:12,440 Speaker 2: as long as you have the lovers of death, and 618 00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:17,080 Speaker 2: as long as you have unreasonable people out there who 619 00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:22,040 Speaker 2: in the name of social justice and whatever other disillusionment 620 00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:26,160 Speaker 2: that they're marching for, as long as the unreasonableness continues, 621 00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,640 Speaker 2: as long as we support the lovers of death and 622 00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:35,640 Speaker 2: rationalize these idiots, these terrible people as resistance fighters. Okay, 623 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:37,719 Speaker 2: as long as we do that and not call it 624 00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,560 Speaker 2: what it is, then it's going to be very difficult 625 00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:42,760 Speaker 2: to get to a deal where we give our partners 626 00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,520 Speaker 2: what they want, because you need a partner in good faith. 627 00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:49,600 Speaker 2: You need to have that reasonableness there. So once that's there, 628 00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,719 Speaker 2: for sure, that is what we need to do. But 629 00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:54,560 Speaker 2: how do we get there is the question. 630 00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:56,920 Speaker 1: All right, and that's one of the great challenges of 631 00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,680 Speaker 1: our time Israel. I want to thank you for joining me. 632 00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:04,040 Speaker 1: Your new book, The Wake Up Call, Global Jihad and 633 00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:07,200 Speaker 1: the Rise of Anti Semitism, A World Going Mad is 634 00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:10,759 Speaker 1: available now on Amazon and in bookstores everywhere, and we're 635 00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,040 Speaker 1: going to feature a linked to buy it on our 636 00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:15,879 Speaker 1: show page. And I really appreciate you sharing with us 637 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,719 Speaker 1: your vision, your concerns, and we certainly hope that your 638 00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:22,440 Speaker 1: son remains safe in his mission and the Israeli defense 639 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:22,799 Speaker 1: for us. 640 00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,480 Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Nut, God bless you, and I 641 00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:29,120 Speaker 2: really appreciate the opportunity to come here and to spread 642 00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:32,560 Speaker 2: some of my wisdom and what I've learned. And I 643 00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:36,120 Speaker 2: really truly hope that people will purchase the book and 644 00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:39,440 Speaker 2: please review the book. We need your reviews. The book 645 00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:44,440 Speaker 2: is designed to provide information, well researched, well cited information. 646 00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:48,280 Speaker 2: It's written in my voice. It's a story that weaves 647 00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:51,000 Speaker 2: through the reality of the situation in the region, and 648 00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:54,919 Speaker 2: it provides and answers. The last chapter of the book, Nude, 649 00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:58,080 Speaker 2: is on healing. It's a chapter of healing, and I 650 00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:01,000 Speaker 2: talk about how do we heal, how do we move 651 00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:06,319 Speaker 2: forward into the future so that we can live in 652 00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,839 Speaker 2: a world of peace. And I hope people take it 653 00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:10,680 Speaker 2: to heart. I hope they take the message to heart, 654 00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:13,120 Speaker 2: and I hope they live the message because if we 655 00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:16,120 Speaker 2: all live the message, then we'll have a different world 656 00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:17,840 Speaker 2: that we can leave to our children. 657 00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:20,400 Speaker 1: Well. I hope your prayers are answered. 658 00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:21,560 Speaker 2: Thank you, new. 659 00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,160 Speaker 1: Thank you to my guest Israel Ellis, you can get 660 00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:29,600 Speaker 1: a link to buy his new book, The Wake Upcall 661 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:33,040 Speaker 1: on our show page at newsworld dot com. News World 662 00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:36,680 Speaker 1: is produced by Ginglish three sixty and iHeartMedia. 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