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Speaker 1: any questions. Um. No, man, Uh, I've been thinking a

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Speaker 1: and it's gonna be about, you know, my opinions on

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Speaker 1: like we've done all that stuff, Like it just hasn't mattered,

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Speaker 1: M just curious, did you guys discuss canceling practice today?

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Speaker 1: that separate? No, that was separate. Okay, So Devin, Mike GARTI, Um,

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