WEBVTT - 051124 Working with Folks with Opposing Views (Part 2)

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<v Speaker 1>Keep on riding with us as we continue to broadcast

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<v Speaker 1>the balance and defend the discourse from these hip hop

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<v Speaker 1>weekly studios. Welcome back to Civic Cipher. I am your host.

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<v Speaker 2>Rams's job is Ramsey's jaw. I am q ward. You

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<v Speaker 2>are tuned into hopefully still listening to and still riding

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<v Speaker 2>with us here at Civic Sifer.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and shout out to everyone who was listening to

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<v Speaker 1>the first part of the show, because the second part

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<v Speaker 1>kind of leans on it a bit, but you don't

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<v Speaker 1>need to have listened to the first part of the

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<v Speaker 1>show in order to get it. Today we're talking about,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, working with folks with opposing views political political views,

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<v Speaker 1>and we've compiled a few best practices that we think

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<v Speaker 1>will help you on your way. We know that this

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<v Speaker 1>is kind of like an interesting time in our country's history,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, the story we told in the first

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<v Speaker 1>half just kind of illustrated what division looks like and

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<v Speaker 1>how being committed to brotherhood and sisterhood really goes a

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<v Speaker 1>long way. So we're going to continue to developed that.

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<v Speaker 1>But before we get there, it's time to discuss Baba

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<v Speaker 2>USA will take their stand on June twenty fourth, and

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<v Speaker 2>in November. Ramses that was really really hard to read,

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<v Speaker 2>not because I can't read, but because it's the type

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<v Speaker 2>of thing that a few years ago would have seemed impossible.

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<v Speaker 2>I think a lot of us thought.

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<v Speaker 1>Rob Wade was law that would Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I think a lot of us thought. I think a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of us think that a lot of things that

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<v Speaker 2>seem like legal, that are just legal precedent, are lawed

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<v Speaker 2>permanently because they're the things that any decent humans should

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<v Speaker 2>just be allowed to have.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that we're we've grown up accustomed to,

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<v Speaker 1>like a more progressive evolution of our country. But if

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<v Speaker 1>you do want to support this, you can check out

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<v Speaker 1>Women's March dot org or is Onto USA dot org

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<v Speaker 1>and joins this boycott. We certainly will, all right, So

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<v Speaker 1>back to working with folks with opposing opinions. So I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to tell another story, my bad. I'm story Time

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<v Speaker 1>all the show Man. My bad. But there's another story

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<v Speaker 1>I want to tell. And you know, I mentioned, you

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<v Speaker 1>know on another in another conversation that you and I

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<v Speaker 1>had having to go to my jeweler. It's not as

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<v Speaker 1>fancy as it sounds, fancy as I just know I'm sitting.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just telling y'all it's because of y'all. Well, my

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<v Speaker 1>jeweler is someone that I've known for some years now. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>he's a good man. I have no reason to think otherwise.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a family man. He is very kind. Imagine me

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<v Speaker 1>walking into your jewelry store, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>He doesn't treat me like a threat. You know, there's

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<v Speaker 1>an an extra layer of trust there that I would

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<v Speaker 1>feel like is reserved for people that are friends, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, I'll say his name just so you

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<v Speaker 1>can follow the story. His name is orin Okay. Orrin

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<v Speaker 1>is a Sephardic Jew. And the reason I know what

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<v Speaker 1>a Sephardic Jew is is because Oran taught me that

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<v Speaker 1>years ago, and he was very happy to explain that

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<v Speaker 1>to me, and I loved learning about it. There's something

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<v Speaker 1>very special about So. I grew up Christian, right, and

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<v Speaker 1>like most Christians, growing up Christian doesn't really mean a

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<v Speaker 1>whole lot in the same way that it that it

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<v Speaker 1>what it means when you grow up Muslim and you

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<v Speaker 1>have to pray five times a day, or you grow

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<v Speaker 1>up Jewish and you wear a yamaka and you don't

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<v Speaker 1>wear jewelry and you're you know, Orthodox, or you know whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, there's a little bit more discipline and alignment

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<v Speaker 1>with the doctrines of the faith in these other religions.

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<v Speaker 1>And so for me to see this commitment from Muslim

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<v Speaker 1>people over the years, from Jewish people over the years.

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<v Speaker 1>It's something that I've always appreciated, very admirable, and I've

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<v Speaker 1>always been very interested in learning more about it, and

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<v Speaker 1>I do my best to receive these conversations in a

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<v Speaker 1>in a loving way. You know, these people aren't anything

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<v Speaker 1>other than just amazing people expressing faith, and it's another

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<v Speaker 1>expression of humanity, and I think that's beautiful.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>With that said, Ever since this war broke out, with

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<v Speaker 1>Israel's response to you know, October seventh, being, in my

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<v Speaker 1>words and what I told him a little bit more,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot more aggressive than most people are comfortable with,

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<v Speaker 1>I've been I've been thinking about him because I know

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<v Speaker 1>that I feel this way, and I would have assumed

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<v Speaker 1>that he would have been one of the people who

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<v Speaker 1>would applaud Israel's response protecting Jewish lives right, And I

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<v Speaker 1>can't be mad at him for feeling that way. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think I think there's a line, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>the human part of you, before you're before you're anything,

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<v Speaker 1>you're a human being, before you're Christian, before you're black,

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<v Speaker 1>before you're white, before you're whatever, you're a human being.

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<v Speaker 1>That is that's verifiable.

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<v Speaker 2>That's not true of everyone.

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<v Speaker 1>Though, But I feel like when the more evolved, the

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<v Speaker 1>more you.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, this is what I mean. But if if from

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<v Speaker 2>birth you are indoctrinated, that's a tougher with regard to religion.

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<v Speaker 2>Then you are nothing before that. If your first thoughts,

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<v Speaker 2>the first rules that you've ever abided by in life,

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<v Speaker 2>were tied directly to.

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<v Speaker 1>That faith, that fair life is worth less than that. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is this is fair. I'm glad you brought

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<v Speaker 1>that because I know that that has That's exactly what

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<v Speaker 1>I have been taught and would be taught now if

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<v Speaker 1>I was, you know, in like super deep into any faith.

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<v Speaker 1>All of them are like that. But I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>the more educated a person becomes, the closer to quote

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<v Speaker 1>unquote God a person becomes, you know whatever, the more

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<v Speaker 1>they realize that some of their some of the beliefs

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<v Speaker 1>that they have stand in contrast and in conflict to

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<v Speaker 1>some of the other beliefs that they have from the

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<v Speaker 1>same book. Right, So, if these people are your brothers,

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<v Speaker 1>and you should do no harm and that should not

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<v Speaker 1>kill them, whatever it is that your faith teaches you,

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<v Speaker 1>you have to reconcile that text with that text, right.

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<v Speaker 2>I think what happens though, we'd like to assume that

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<v Speaker 2>closer to God also means more enlightened, and it does.

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<v Speaker 1>Not not always. There are some people who I feel like.

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<v Speaker 2>No, both can be true, but they don't mean the same.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so that the idea you can get closer to

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<v Speaker 2>God and become more extreme because you didn't learn to

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<v Speaker 2>just dove more into your faith.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's yeah, that you're you're You're absolutely right, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm glad you mentioned that too. So this is clearly

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<v Speaker 1>it's a it's a tricky subject. But back to Oran.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the things that is I think it might

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<v Speaker 1>be impossible for me to do is to pretend like

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<v Speaker 1>I feel a different way than I do, or to

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<v Speaker 1>hide how I truly feel because I feel like it

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<v Speaker 1>might hurt somebody. That's just not my way. I would

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<v Speaker 1>feel so fake. I call Ami my brother, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>I call Orrian my brother. You know, I'm grateful to

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<v Speaker 1>be able to call both of them my brother. I'm grateful,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, all of the people of different faiths and

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<v Speaker 1>different races and different walks of life that I've met

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<v Speaker 1>that have become you know, family members, brothers, sisters, you

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<v Speaker 1>know whatever, it's an honor. They make my life more beautiful, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and so far be it from me to pretend to

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<v Speaker 1>be fake, to hide something from them, And so I

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<v Speaker 1>kind of my tendency is to lean into those things.

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<v Speaker 1>And so in talking to him, I says, Hey, I've

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<v Speaker 1>been thinking about you for some months now, and I'd

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<v Speaker 1>like to invite you up to talk on my show.

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<v Speaker 1>You have educated me on Judaism and what it means

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<v Speaker 1>to be a Jewish person in my adult life in

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<v Speaker 1>such meaningful ways. Just hanging out with you in this

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<v Speaker 1>jewelry store, it's very special to me. And I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like if there's anyone that I know who is as

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<v Speaker 1>knowledgeable as you, who as as committed to his faith

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<v Speaker 1>as you, who can say it was involved politically well,

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<v Speaker 1>who can bring some insight to this, it would be you.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I have to warn you, I love you. You're

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<v Speaker 1>my brother. I feel differently, I feel like Israel's response

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<v Speaker 1>to this is much too far, and I still feel

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<v Speaker 1>like you maybe can come and share your thoughts. I

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<v Speaker 1>won't be combative with me and Ammi. It's different. I

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<v Speaker 1>could Meanami could go at it all day, but with

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<v Speaker 1>Orin it's not like that it's just a different temperament. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>meeting where he is, you can say what you want

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<v Speaker 1>to say. I want to honor Jewish people. That we've

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<v Speaker 1>spent many episodes on this show honoring Jewish people, defending

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<v Speaker 1>Jewish people against black people. Right, So it's tough to

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<v Speaker 1>walk that line, to give everybody a seat at the table,

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<v Speaker 1>everyone a chance to express themselves. But the right thing

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<v Speaker 1>to do, and I'll let you jump in, is to

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<v Speaker 1>say how I feel. To make sure that he feels

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<v Speaker 1>confident in saying how he feels. And now you have

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<v Speaker 1>the beginnings of a conversation. What you say will will

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<v Speaker 1>be well received. It might not change how I feel,

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<v Speaker 1>but let's begin a conversation. And I think there's a

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<v Speaker 1>lesson there.

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<v Speaker 2>But we're gonna get into some of our best practices

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<v Speaker 2>with regards to having discussions with people who have, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>different opinions than us, mostly in a political space. But

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<v Speaker 2>I just want to point out, just in case I

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<v Speaker 2>don't have time to say this later, all of us

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<v Speaker 2>require grace at some point. One thing to always remember

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<v Speaker 2>in these situations is to extend it in return. The

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<v Speaker 2>thing that stands out the most to me, and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just bringing this up because of the conflict in Gaza

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<v Speaker 2>is that you said many times on this show. We

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<v Speaker 2>have defended Jewish people, we have shouted down anti Semitism.

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<v Speaker 2>We knew in those moments that the people that needed

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<v Speaker 2>the grace, that needed the allies, that needed their voices

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<v Speaker 2>to be heard, were our Jewish brothers and sisters. To

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<v Speaker 2>our Jewish brothers and sisters, somebody else needs that grace. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>even if you thought a response was necessary and justified,

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<v Speaker 2>at some point, your humanity does have to show up.

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<v Speaker 2>Because when your humanity is brought to question and disrespected

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<v Speaker 2>and people try to stomp on it, you have allies,

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<v Speaker 2>and you require grace and we show it. You cannot

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<v Speaker 2>ask for and require grace and then not extended when

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<v Speaker 2>someone else needs it. So, when we're talking about differences

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<v Speaker 2>of opinion, sure, but as I said before, we cannot

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<v Speaker 2>be different on everything, especially when part of what we're

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<v Speaker 2>different on allows for my people, my ancestry, my prosperity,

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<v Speaker 2>my posterity to be stomped out, and and and not

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<v Speaker 2>only are you not standing to defend or protect me,

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<v Speaker 2>but you're joining in and doubling down on it like that.

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<v Speaker 2>That cannot be the solution, especially because we all know

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<v Speaker 2>that at some point all of us have axed for

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<v Speaker 2>and received some sort of grace.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I say stuff and I think I got it,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you come and then you tie it all together,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, oh, that was it my fault. Thank

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<v Speaker 1>you for making me sound better, cause I appreciate that.

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<v Speaker 1>So last little bit, you know, I mentioned again that, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>my position was that Israel had gone too far, and

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<v Speaker 1>Luren says, well, what do you think Israel should have done?

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<v Speaker 2>Hm?

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<v Speaker 1>And I said, you know, I I don't know. A.

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<v Speaker 1>The reason I said that is because that was not

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<v Speaker 1>the place to have that conversation. B I'm probably not

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<v Speaker 1>the best person to have that conversation. I'm an ally,

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<v Speaker 1>so I share things here and there, but far be

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<v Speaker 1>it for me to dictate what the line should be.

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<v Speaker 1>I can speak up when the line is too far right,

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<v Speaker 1>and I reserve that right. Everyone should right. The other

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<v Speaker 1>thing is, you know Q was gonna get a kick

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<v Speaker 1>out of this, but I don't like to have the

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<v Speaker 1>conversation before I have the conversation. So if he ever

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<v Speaker 1>does come up on the show, you will hear him

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<v Speaker 1>and I have our conversation for the first time. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>what happened in this story and in the earlier story

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<v Speaker 1>with Ami stories with Amy. What are some of the

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<v Speaker 1>things that we learned in our time growing this show

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<v Speaker 1>where we've had people who are in powerful positions, oftentimes

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<v Speaker 1>they're white men, and we're wanting to do a show

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<v Speaker 1>that foster's allyship for black and brown people. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't benefit them to directly, it costs them airtime.

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<v Speaker 1>They're not playing hip hop songs, and we're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the struggle, you know, dead people dying, mother's weeping,

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<v Speaker 1>We're talking about trying to grow as human beings, and

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<v Speaker 1>they're on radio stations where people are trying to party. Right, So,

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<v Speaker 1>what is it that we've done and seen has worked

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<v Speaker 1>over these years. Well, one of the things that we do,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think that c is a lot better at

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<v Speaker 1>this than I am, is we find things that we

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<v Speaker 1>can agree on in a general sense, and it might

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<v Speaker 1>be something as simple as you know, we we we

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<v Speaker 1>want these people to be safe. You know, you're not

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<v Speaker 1>going to find too many people that would disagree with

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<v Speaker 1>the statement like yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So statements like that are important because they help you

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<v Speaker 2>identify people who are so far removed from the conversation

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<v Speaker 2>that you're trying to have to know that you should

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<v Speaker 2>not try to have it. So one of the things

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<v Speaker 2>before we even get into best practices is that sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>disengaging is the best option because a person has either

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<v Speaker 2>decided that the facts aren't the facts, they've decided that

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<v Speaker 2>your point of view is so far beneath theirs that

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<v Speaker 2>it does not even deserve a dignified you know, exchange,

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<v Speaker 2>or that there's just a level of decency required that

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<v Speaker 2>isn't present. Right, everyone should be safe. Rams just put

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<v Speaker 2>that as a softball on purpose, because we should all

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<v Speaker 2>be able to agree on something like that, But there

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<v Speaker 2>are cases where we cannot, and you realize before a

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<v Speaker 2>conversation even starts, Okay, we should not even participate in

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<v Speaker 2>this one.

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<v Speaker 1>So that brings me to my second point on the

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<v Speaker 1>I guess it's our list. But recognizing that agreeing on

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<v Speaker 1>the same set of facts is mission critical because often

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<v Speaker 1>we're not working with the same set of facts. There

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<v Speaker 1>are facts that are falsehoods, they're just purported as facts.

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<v Speaker 1>There are gaps in factual information. Lord knows, on this show,

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<v Speaker 1>we both learn things after the fact, and we just

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<v Speaker 1>didn't know that, and we have to come back as

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<v Speaker 1>we do and apologize and make the stories right. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>we want to. This is not a cloud chase, we

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<v Speaker 1>eat humble Pie, this show. Yeah, this is We're trying

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<v Speaker 1>to do what we feel is right in our hearts. Right, So,

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<v Speaker 1>once you start getting to them real meat and potatoes

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<v Speaker 1>of your conversation, after you've kind of figured out what

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<v Speaker 1>you agree on in a general sense, it's easier to

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<v Speaker 1>take the next step and start agreeing on what the

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<v Speaker 1>facts are. And one of the things that we do

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<v Speaker 1>is we research the facts, and oftentimes people will have

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<v Speaker 1>opinions that are purported as facts, and so we have

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<v Speaker 1>to do media biased So it's not just fact checking.

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<v Speaker 1>We have to check the bias. Is this Does this

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<v Speaker 1>come from a decidedly far right source or a decidedly

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<v Speaker 1>far left source? Politically speaking? Is there a bias inherent

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<v Speaker 1>in these words? How can this person use that bias

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<v Speaker 1>against me? How can I let them know that the

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<v Speaker 1>bias is what they're feeding into and not the facts,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and and starting to have that conversation. And

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<v Speaker 1>there are objective neutral media bias fact checking sites online

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<v Speaker 1>that you can check for yourself and the.

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<v Speaker 2>Truth is there are objective sources as well, and they're

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<v Speaker 2>trying to find those collectively is important.

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<v Speaker 1>So in your activism and allyship, if it goes that far,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, that's another thing to check. And Google is

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<v Speaker 1>your friend, and it's on your phone and it's free.

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<v Speaker 2>So however, Google will bring you back both biased and

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<v Speaker 2>objective sources. So Google is your friend. But even after that,

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<v Speaker 2>but you need you need to fact check.

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<v Speaker 1>But you can you can google where to find out

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<v Speaker 1>the media bias checks too. So another thing that we

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<v Speaker 1>think is a really good idea is to understand that

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<v Speaker 1>if we can't agree on how to get to where

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<v Speaker 1>we're going together, Let's say we both say, hey, we

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<v Speaker 1>want a better society for all people. If we don't

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<v Speaker 1>agree on how to get there together, if we can

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<v Speaker 1>both commit to getting there individually, understanding that hey, you

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<v Speaker 1>feel differently than I do on the path to get there,

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<v Speaker 1>but at some point you might need me. I want

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<v Speaker 1>you to know that you can call me when you

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<v Speaker 1>need me, and I would like to know that I

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<v Speaker 1>can call you when I need you, and you do

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<v Speaker 1>your work and I'll do mine. Again, keeping that tissue

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<v Speaker 1>of that semblance of brotherhood, of shared motivation and so forth.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, we got a lot more in common than

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<v Speaker 1>than what differentiates us, and we do need each other

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<v Speaker 1>no matter what, and not losing sight of that is

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<v Speaker 1>very important. Can we not interfere with each other's work?

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<v Speaker 1>In other words, I don't want to stand in your way,

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<v Speaker 1>A lie, Marjorie Taylor Green. Okay, if you're doing it

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<v Speaker 1>and you got the votes, and that's what's happening, let

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<v Speaker 1>me not stand in your way. I gotta win another

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<v Speaker 1>fight over here, right, that's what's happening. Get on board. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>You brought the example of Donald Trump became president. Guess

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<v Speaker 1>what he was a president of the United States of America.

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<v Speaker 1>Guess rather the United States of America. And like any

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<v Speaker 1>single solitary moment of it, but important to say because

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<v Speaker 1>we do have an election coming up.

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<v Speaker 2>Unfortunately, this is a zero sum political system here, and

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<v Speaker 2>we have to have a president. And I see a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people that are preparing to not participate because

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<v Speaker 2>they don't think there's a good enough candidate. Listen, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not gonna pretend I don't feel you. I even feel

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<v Speaker 2>your reason why.

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<v Speaker 1>One is way worse.

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<v Speaker 2>I have to keep revisiting the absolute fact that we

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<v Speaker 2>have to have a president. Yeah, there's going to be

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<v Speaker 2>one one of them. You know what I'm saying. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>like I feel you. For everybody listening to me, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not judging you, I'm not belittling you. I feel you

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<v Speaker 2>and I agree with you. Right, Neither of them deserve you,

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<v Speaker 2>neither of them deserve me. But you have to think

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<v Speaker 2>about the reality you have to live in in the

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<v Speaker 2>event that one of these people is elected, because one

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<v Speaker 2>of them will be elected no matter what.

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<v Speaker 1>Just to wrap this up real quick, I'm not saying,

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<v Speaker 1>don't interfere with the social order, shut down freeways, barricade

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<v Speaker 1>yourselves and libraries. I love that energy, keep it up,

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<v Speaker 1>but always remember that these people on the opposing sides

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<v Speaker 1>are your brothers and sisters, even when it's tough, especially

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<v Speaker 1>when it's tough, because that's when you get to prove

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<v Speaker 1>that they're your brothers and your sisters. So we'll leave

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<v Speaker 1>that one right there. As always, i'd like to thank

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