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Speaker 1: in it. I was in our first Special Forces group

424
00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:13,360
Speaker 1: of in Fort Lewis, Washington, and a buddy of mine

425
00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:17,280
Speaker 1: comes running into the car with this cassette tape. He's going, bro,

426
00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:24,439
Speaker 1: new band, Metal Liquor, throw it in and you know,

427
00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:27,080
Speaker 1: kill them all. And we just we played that thing

428
00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:30,159
Speaker 1: and worn it out. Man, there wasn't enough power in

429
00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:34,640
Speaker 1: my power boosters for that thing. Wow. So and then

430
00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:39,320
Speaker 1: one more point about Metal Liqua. The last album they

431
00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:41,720
Speaker 1: have one of my favorite Metallica songs, and I'm that

432
00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:44,760
Speaker 1: last album's out. I thought you spit out the bone.

433
00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:48,199
Speaker 1: I just spit out the bone. It's okay. But but

434
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:51,320
Speaker 1: I love now that We're dead because that could be

435
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:55,080
Speaker 1: a track on Master of Puppets. I just love that

436
00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:59,919
Speaker 1: that that that constant um felt being it's very rhythmic,

437
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:02,560
Speaker 1: and uh, I just think it's cool. You know, it's

438
00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:05,960
Speaker 1: got a really cool vibe to it. Man, that one there,

439
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:07,720
Speaker 1: that one there speaks to me that too. And this

440
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,680
Speaker 1: but on the Bone caught my attention immediately because it

441
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:14,119
Speaker 1: had a justice vibe to it. And I remember just

442
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:16,040
Speaker 1: listening to the album and there was just this one

443
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:19,040
Speaker 1: point where Lars going ape ship on the double bass.

444
00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:22,439
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, Lars, I'm like all right, and my

445
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:23,960
Speaker 1: head was picked up and I was like, what the

446
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:25,960
Speaker 1: hell song is this? And I just and so it's

447
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:27,800
Speaker 1: like eight minutes long, and I was like, this is

448
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:31,000
Speaker 1: like some old school Metallica and I love it. Like

449
00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:33,440
Speaker 1: you know, they don't obviously, they don't make music for

450
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:36,560
Speaker 1: the fans. They make music for themselves. But sometimes they will,

451
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:38,520
Speaker 1: like they'll like throw in all right, let's throw in

452
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:41,600
Speaker 1: a crazy drum part and give Kirk his solos back

453
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:43,359
Speaker 1: and all that and that. That's what I love about

454
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 1: them is they'll just give us break off a little piece,

455
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:47,199
Speaker 1: so we just keep biting and then like you know,

456
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:49,960
Speaker 1: coming the shows and just like stop complaining. Go see

457
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,400
Speaker 1: Metallic Alive. End of story. I don't care what you're into.

458
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,160
Speaker 1: You could love Bruce Springsteen. Just go see Metallic Alive

459
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:58,800
Speaker 1: because it's just such a gigantic, you know, religious kind

460
00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 1: of experience. That's what I love about. When I first

461
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:03,879
Speaker 1: started the title track Hardwired to Self Destruct, I was like,

462
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:10,399
Speaker 1: this sounds very two minutes fifty seconds they killed James

463
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 1: dropping f bombs. I'm like, what dude? It was that

464
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:19,680
Speaker 1: tickled my like fifteen year Metallica itch, like what I've

465
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,199
Speaker 1: been waiting for? That track was the one I've been

466
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 1: waiting for. Yeah, when the video came out, that was

467
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:27,240
Speaker 1: the same feeling I got. You've probably covered this on

468
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 1: Liquid Metal, but what do you think of this whole

469
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:32,280
Speaker 1: thing where they're changing their set list for what fans

470
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:37,239
Speaker 1: in that area like on Spotify? That's because Metallica is

471
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:43,040
Speaker 1: the most brilliant band in the world. Like I was

472
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 1: talking about this work with somebody, like like when you're

473
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:48,120
Speaker 1: programming or whatever, and like you see the same song

474
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:49,920
Speaker 1: over and over and people complaining about the same song

475
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,679
Speaker 1: over and over again. But then my buddies understand and

476
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 1: then but then my buddies like you can tell me

477
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:58,400
Speaker 1: when understand Man comes on, you still don't just blasted

478
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:00,760
Speaker 1: even though you like hate it, talk crap about it, whatever,

479
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,480
Speaker 1: you know, when it comes on and you're still listening

480
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:04,880
Speaker 1: to the song, and I was like, you know what,

481
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 1: You're probably right. I don't know if I agree. I

482
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 1: feel like I've overplayed the ship out of it. There's

483
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:13,440
Speaker 1: certain songs for childhood and so many times that like

484
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:15,560
Speaker 1: if I was listening to it with fresh years, I

485
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 1: would feel a little different. But I don't know. I

486
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:20,159
Speaker 1: don't know if at this point I could listen to

487
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 1: If you're saying, man, they're all get excited about it,

488
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,679
Speaker 1: there are a lot of people, surprisingly that still do,

489
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 1: which is why if you check the Spotify playlists, I

490
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:30,240
Speaker 1: guarantee you freaking Salmon is probably the top Metallica, which

491
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 1: is insane because like you know this, this Puppets is

492
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:37,360
Speaker 1: Ride the Lightning. There's injustice for all. But uh, them

493
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 1: catering to their audience for the first time in a while,

494
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 1: I guess which is what people wanted. Like, it's good.

495
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:45,919
Speaker 1: I think it's a smart move on their part. I'm

496
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 1: sure they booked tours that way, sell march that way. Uh.

497
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:53,880
Speaker 1: I will never question a Metallica business decision, good or bad,

498
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,639
Speaker 1: because some moves are gonna make them a ton of

499
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 1: money and be great moves, and then on the moves

500
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:01,240
Speaker 1: are gonna tank and it's whatever. It's Metallica, Like the

501
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:03,399
Speaker 1: three D Concert. Yeah, the three D Concert, which is

502
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,640
Speaker 1: still like who else is doing that? Like they're they're

503
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 1: like it, let's try it, because they got I guess,

504
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 1: disposable income and to just have something to give to

505
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 1: your fans, even if it's like not great, They're still

506
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 1: just like, let's give. They don't have to do any

507
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 1: of that crap, and they just give to their fans

508
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,440
Speaker 1: and give and give. And that's what I love about

509
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 1: Metallica is that they keep their the gift that keeps

510
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 1: on giving. I'll shut up now. Yeah, they're they're big

511
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,200
Speaker 1: enough now, they're a you know, a self perpetuating eating machine.

512
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,719
Speaker 1: They don't have to promote, you know, so they can

513
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 1: play whatever the funk they want if they wanted a

514
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 1: piece of fans. I'm all about that, man, I'm all

515
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 1: about it. Play what you know what I am uh,

516
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 1: and my demographic is listening to most of Yeah, I

517
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 1: love it. Good idea. I'll tell you this since we're

518
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 1: on the topic of Metallica, because I just thought this

519
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 1: was kind of interesting. The the I remember buying Stane

520
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 1: Anger the day that came out, and my I not like.

521
00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,400
Speaker 1: My opinion was like, what is this like this? And

522
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:01,199
Speaker 1: and I know people have felt that way for a

523
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 1: while between Load and Reload, but Load had songs that

524
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 1: I loved. Reload had a few songs that I thought

525
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 1: were great, and with saying Anger, I was just like,

526
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 1: what is this. I can't get into this. This sounds

527
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 1: very um like an indicative of what was cool at

528
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,439
Speaker 1: the time. You know, if you watch some kind of

529
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 1: Monster where they're telling Kirk like, guitar solos aren't cool

530
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 1: right now, Let's not have guitar solos, and you know,

531
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 1: the drums sounding very slipknot that snare James even screaming

532
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,879
Speaker 1: almost Corey Taylor esque on the on the title track.

533
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 1: But I bring this up because in the past year

534
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 1: I've revisited that album, like with New Years, and I

535
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 1: actually they, yeah, it took it took me how well,

536
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 1: I don't know, like fifteen something years for me. But

537
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 1: it is not a Metallica album. But if you were

538
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 1: in that genuinely angry piste off for depressed mood, you

539
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:56,719
Speaker 1: have to be in the right mood for it, and

540
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:58,719
Speaker 1: you put on some kind of Monster, you put on

541
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 1: some of those songs all within my hands. I think

542
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 1: they're great. It's just not it's not what you expect

543
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 1: from Metallica. But it grew. It grew on me that

544
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 1: much longer. I feel like I should do the same

545
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 1: thing because I listened to sant Anger once I went

546
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 1: to best Buy, I bought it, put it in my

547
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 1: CD player, drove around until it ended, put it back

548
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 1: in the thing, put it back and I never opened

549
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 1: that CD ever. Again, it just didn't do anything for me.

550
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 1: But you also need to remember, I mean you saw

551
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 1: some kind of moster the documentary. That thing was like

552
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 1: it's cringe e, but only because again giving to the fans,

553
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 1: they allowed cameras on them during their like cringe eyst

554
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 1: of moments. Like I would never I get upset. I

555
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 1: don't want people looking at me. I don't want cameras

556
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 1: on me, and they let they let yeah exactly. But

557
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 1: I'm like, like if I was sitting here, like fighting

558
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 1: with Lars, and like when Lars do when Lars goes

559
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 1: up to James face and he's like fuck fun funck,

560
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, I like my hair is

561
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 1: standing up in my arms right now, Like it's just

562
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 1: it's really intense it's like when you're fighting when your

563
00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 1: girlfriend and there's a camera crew there, like it's really

564
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 1: rough and they're just like let the fans have it

565
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 1: and that, and you can see during that whole album,

566
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 1: you know that wasn't like Rob Trillo writing on that

567
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 1: because he just jumped in the band. Like, uh, Bob

568
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 1: Bob Rock did all the base on that. Like it

569
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 1: was dis jointly written. It was written before James, alcohol

570
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 1: thing after James, like rehab studio and just changing. It

571
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 1: was just a it was probably a bad time for

572
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 1: them to be recording an album. They should have just

573
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 1: been like maybe you know, but but then again, you've

574
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 1: revisited and now you love it, so they could be

575
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 1: a million other people Like I mean, Pat, you come

576
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 1: back to st Anger? Yeah, um, Sean the same thing.

577
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 1: I mean, I have them listen to him once, never

578
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 1: listen to him again. It's like, um, it's like a

579
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 1: long marriage and I fell out of love with him

580
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 1: during those years. You know, load reload st Anger, all

581
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 1: that fell out of love that I went to marriage counseling.

582
00:30:55,440 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 1: That brought me Hardwired, rekindled my relationship again. Uh, I'm back,

583
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 1: you know, I'm back hard hardcore Metallica fan. But yeah,

584
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 1: I should revisit those as well. I because I haven't

585
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 1: because a lot of my buds who are hardcore, die

586
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 1: hard Metallica fans have said the same thing. No, bro,

587
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 1: it's like old school, it's very edgy. It's it's more like, uh,

588
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 1: kill them all, um, you know part two? And I'm like,

589
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't I feel it, man, it didn't

590
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 1: didn't speak to me, you know, so I gave up

591
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 1: on it, but rekindled. Yeah, hardwire. Yeah, that's yeah exactly.

592
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 1: And they truly are a band as you said, who

593
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 1: listens to the fans in that if you see a

594
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 1: Metallica show, they don't. They never play one song off

595
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 1: sant Anger. I've I've even looked up the set lists.

596
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 1: On one certain occasion, I think in the Bay Area,

597
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 1: they invited Bob Rock on stage and did a handful

598
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 1: of saying anger songs and that is it. But you know,

599
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 1: I've seen them a bunch of times saying I know

600
00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 1: you were at the Apollo with me, which was all

601
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 1: my show. God, that was on my birthday. That was

602
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 1: on my freaking birthday. Right after the show, I jumped

603
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 1: on a plane to go to Vegas un freaking reel.

604
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 1: That's one of the best nights in my life. That

605
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 1: was the night I met James Headfield. My whole life,

606
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 1: I wanted to need James Heathfield. And that's when he

607
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 1: was popping on Instagram pap ahead and he was in Apollo.

608
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 1: Nobody was there. I was first. Me and my buddies

609
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 1: were the first ones because he was setting up for

610
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 1: the Liquid Metal broadcast. And I turned a round and

611
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 1: by himself in the middle of the empty Apollo Theater

612
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 1: is James Heathfield. And I was walking out the door

613
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 1: and my buddy and I'm like, oh, I'm like yo,

614
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 1: that's James. And I'm like, I'm like, I have to

615
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 1: say hello right now or I will regret this, even

616
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 1: if he tells me to funk off. I will regret

617
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 1: this for the rest of my life if I don't.

618
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 1: So I just went and I tapped him and I'm

619
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 1: like James, and he didn't turn around, and I was like,

620
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 1: oh no, So I was like yo, James, and then

621
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 1: he was like taking a picture. So he took his

622
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 1: picture and turned around in a medium like yo. I

623
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 1: worked a series like now we're doing the broadcast and

624
00:32:58,200 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 1: I just want to introduce myself. I'm showing I'm a

625
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 1: huge fan. That came a fist bump and that was it.

626
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 1: I said, this is my man videos here. Vindey gave

627
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 1: his fist bump, yo, and nice to meet you. We

628
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 1: got out of there and then we were like little schoolgirls.

629
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 1: Just's like the best moment of my life. The best

630
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 1: moment of my life. I finally I've met everybody in Metallica,

631
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 1: and that makes me very happy, very very happy. I

632
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 1: didn't I didn't meant Metallic. I mean, I didn't mean

633
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 1: any of the members of Metallic. I did see Jamie

634
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 1: joshon the audience, who was always super cool, of course. Um,

635
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 1: But but my point was, like that show I was

636
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 1: at the Big four show, you will never hear them

637
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 1: play a song off Staying Anger. They just don't. And

638
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 1: I don't know if maybe they don't like those albums

639
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 1: and maybe they listen to those albums and think they're

640
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 1: cringe worthy. I don't know. Yeah, I think so, because

641
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 1: like Sean was saying, you know, those were those were

642
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 1: dark times for that band, you know, bringing on um

643
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:51,239
Speaker 1: New Basis James with his problems. Then it was I

644
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 1: did not like them, Aaron that dirty laundry ship man.

645
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 1: You know, I hated that. The interviews and everything. I

646
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 1: freaking hated it. Um. I mean, I like interviews with

647
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 1: with band members and such, but but I don't need

648
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 1: to see the dirty side, you know, the sound pathetic ship.

649
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 1: I didn't need to see it. Yeah, but you know,

650
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 1: to their credit, they left in. Jason Newstead remember saying

651
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: pretty much he was like, I think this is fucking

652
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 1: lame that we need to hire a therapist. We can't

653
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,319
Speaker 1: just get in a room together and sort this out.

654
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:24,799
Speaker 1: And you could tell he was not into it. I mean,

655
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 1: I thought it was a really well done documentary. I

656
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:30,919
Speaker 1: totally see all sides of that though, of as a fan,

657
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 1: why you wouldn't want to see I cry every time

658
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 1: at the end when they come out to finally perform

659
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:39,879
Speaker 1: rob at the first show, that how they end the documentary.

660
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 1: And every time it's here comes to my eye every

661
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,919
Speaker 1: damn time. It's such a great documentary. It's so like,

662
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,839
Speaker 1: it's got everything, it's got everything. It's funny, it's cringe e,

663
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 1: it's like sad, it's happy, it's everything, And I think

664
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 1: it's a great documentary. And I love Metallica to the

665
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 1: day I die. Yep, same big fan, big fan from

666
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 1: the beginning. Uh. One of the other topics I threw

667
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:03,919
Speaker 1: out there, Uh, you know, getting off of metallity even

668
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 1: you might keep it doubt whatever, of just the best

669
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:09,919
Speaker 1: show you've ever been to in the metal category. Of course,

670
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 1: since we're keeping it metal on there, I wouldn't see

671
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 1: any other show, I'll tell us. I let me let

672
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 1: me because I thought about this a little bit. Typically

673
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 1: the best, the best show is the last one you saw,

674
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:28,319
Speaker 1: because they always get better, you know, with with theatrics

675
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:33,800
Speaker 1: and with um with uh, with sound and all that. Um.

676
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 1: But it wasn't the last show that I saw, only

677
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 1: because the venue. The venue was too loud. It was

678
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:42,359
Speaker 1: in Charlotte and it was you know, Slayer and Lamb

679
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 1: of God and and it was pretty Don't don't get

680
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 1: me wrong, it was freaking badass, But there's something about

681
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 1: that venue. I saw Iron Maiden there too, and it

682
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,840
Speaker 1: was too loud, So it was not all that was

683
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 1: not discernible, you know, it was a little bit crackily,

684
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 1: and um is I want to hear every freaking lick

685
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 1: of the guitar, so I want to hear everything the

686
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:05,880
Speaker 1: vocalist is doing. I mean, the Lamb of God was

687
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 1: so freaking loud that, you know, I really couldn't make

688
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 1: out Mike Morton solos, and that guy could. Man, he's

689
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 1: a musician Jesus freaking pace totally Carl. But so it was.

690
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:22,879
Speaker 1: It was my It wasn't the last show I saw.

691
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:25,360
Speaker 1: I was the lot the one before that, which was

692
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:30,320
Speaker 1: Priest in um Long Island. Uh. Because the other the

693
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 1: other thing about that is I went into it with

694
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 1: without high expectations. I'm like, can Rob still deliver? You know,

695
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 1: after all these years? Can he still freaking deliver? And

696
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:44,320
Speaker 1: man he is still three octaves, you know, and crisp

697
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:48,320
Speaker 1: and clean. And that new freaking guitarist Richie Fulton, whos

698
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:53,760
Speaker 1: Richie's fire? That guy he you know what he's done.

699
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:55,800
Speaker 1: And I'm not a fan of this, but man, he

700
00:36:55,880 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 1: made it work. He took liberty with the helos. It

701
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 1: modified him. Uh. And I'm not a fan of that,

702
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 1: you know, A fan, no, it was. They could listen

703
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 1: to Hang uh, Hanger eighteen and they know all nine

704
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 1: solos in that and if there's anything anything out of place,

705
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 1: a fan is gonna know that the same thing with priests,

706
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, I know every freaking lick of

707
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:25,400
Speaker 1: every freaking song of every album and um, but Falconer

708
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:28,360
Speaker 1: took liberty and modified it. They were still the exact

709
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 1: same thing, but just a little more complex, just a

710
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 1: few more finger picks in there, a few more uh

711
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 1: pick of the key, pick of the uh, strike of

712
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:41,840
Speaker 1: the pick. Uh. That guy man, he freaking anyway, that

713
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 1: was the best only because it was recent, you know,

714
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 1: it's the reasons it was most memorable for me. Um.

715
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 1: I loved the last one. It was really good because

716
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 1: it was Bohemoth Testament and um Lamb of God and Slayer. Uh.

717
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 1: That was that was a good time. Uh. And it

718
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 1: was my second time scene Slayer. Uh. To those guys,

719
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 1: my wife, my wife's observation was they made they they're

720
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 1: they're effortless, they prose, you know, they just they've been

721
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 1: doing this for so freaking long that they're still having

722
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:20,400
Speaker 1: a good time and they're rock stars. But it's effortless

723
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 1: up there. And said, man, they've been like you said,

724
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:25,319
Speaker 1: they've been doing it a long time, long time live.

725
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 1: They knew how to freaking they know how to perform,

726
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:30,359
Speaker 1: and the measure of a freaking band is not how

727
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 1: they sound on a freaking album, but how they can

728
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 1: play live, you know, Can they sound just as good

729
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 1: or if not better? And Priest does that too. Priest

730
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:41,399
Speaker 1: delivers like that better than better than recorded? Hell yeah,

731
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:43,840
Speaker 1: that's what I want to see. I don't want ship modified.

732
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 1: I wanted to be the same, but just a little

733
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 1: bit better, you know. Uh, And great bands do that, man,

734
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 1: Metallic is another one, iron made. There are another one?

735
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 1: Can we do it better freaking live than record recorded? Yeah?

736
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:01,479
Speaker 1: I would love to believe at Slayers having a great

737
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 1: time up there, and they do look like they are.

738
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:05,319
Speaker 1: But I mean, I do think there's a reason they're

739
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 1: calling it. Riot has said before he like it makes

740
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 1: it kind of clear he's not into this storing anymore,

741
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:14,439
Speaker 1: which is it's it's disappointing to hear. But I mean,

742
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,320
Speaker 1: ever since like he had that that crazy neck surgery

743
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 1: or back surgery from all that year as a head bang,

744
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 1: and he's been doing I think that you know, affected it.

745
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 1: And plus you got kids, and they've been touring forever,

746
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 1: and I'm sure like they just wanna or at least

747
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:30,799
Speaker 1: he wants to just you know, hang out. And I

748
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:32,800
Speaker 1: know he's got a farm and just chilling his farm

749
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 1: and then relax or whatever. I mean, Gary Holt is

750
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,799
Speaker 1: going to be in this game forever. Kerry King is

751
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 1: going to do something like there's no way carry You'll

752
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:43,240
Speaker 1: probably start another band, but that'll be such a bummer

753
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:45,359
Speaker 1: because like he's not going to be Slayer and then

754
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:48,320
Speaker 1: he's not going to be playing like fifty people anymore.

755
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 1: But maybe I don't know, I don't know. I don't know,

756
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 1: Kerry King will find a way. There's no way that

757
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 1: that dude doesn't. I also do feel like Dave Lombardo

758
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 1: is such a crucial member of that band and it's

759
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 1: not Dave Lombardo ending it with yeah, yeah, that's true,

760
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 1: but I mean I got Paul Paul was in the

761
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:06,239
Speaker 1: band before at least, but yeah, Dave, Dave's doing suicidal

762
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 1: tendencies now probably like my favorite drummer. He might be

763
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 1: one of the greatest metal drummers of all time. Like

764
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:15,319
Speaker 1: it's it's you know, that's that's not even debatable right there,

765
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:17,319
Speaker 1: Like that's just probably one of the most epic fact

766
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 1: him Gene Hoagland, you know, and Chris Adler, like, but yeah,

767
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 1: Dave's Dave's one of them dudes. But yeah, I mean

768
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:28,400
Speaker 1: shows best shows, Yeah, man, I mean I was. Actually

769
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 1: I was just at that Slayer show at Jones Beach.

770
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 1: I missed Napalm Death because I suck at life. I

771
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:35,719
Speaker 1: feel like Jones Beach is such a weird you know

772
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 1: it is. It was weird, like Slayer without a mashpit.

773
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:41,799
Speaker 1: It's just strange. But that was just at that show.

774
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 1: But that was not one of my favorites. Because I

775
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 1: am a fan of small venue shows. I feel, yeah,

776
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,840
Speaker 1: I feel intimate shows are the best. And that's why.

777
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 1: I mean, first, I gotta Sayguar the best. One of

778
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:57,839
Speaker 1: the best shows I've ever seen in life has been

779
00:40:57,960 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 1: the first time I went to Seeguar. I just took

780
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 1: my brother because I was never a huge Guar fan,

781
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 1: because Guar is not a band you need to hear

782
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 1: their CDs to become a fan. Guar is a band

783
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 1: that you need to see them live and justify whether

784
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 1: you're not you're a fan and within thirty seconds of

785
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 1: them coming out and tearing someone's face off and blood shoot.

786
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 1: I was the crazy donkey in Long Island and may

787
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:21,720
Speaker 1: have been you probably where it was like June twenty

788
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 1: one or some ship because my birthday is and I

789
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 1: remember my brother's birthday is June twelve, and I'll be like,

790
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 1: I'll be completely honest, I'm not a huge Guar fan,

791
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 1: but it was a fun show. I could not. I

792
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:38,359
Speaker 1: CrowdSurf my first time ever. At that show, they had

793
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:40,720
Speaker 1: these blood shooting guns on either side of the stage.

794
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:43,400
Speaker 1: As I was crowdsurfing, both guns were shooting me. And

795
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 1: then I landed in the front with my buddy who

796
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 1: was trying to get me into Guar for years, and

797
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:50,240
Speaker 1: I never budged, and he was at the front covered

798
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 1: and blood raging out and I came over his head

799
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:55,360
Speaker 1: into the photo after crowdsurfing and he sees me and

800
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 1: he's like, what the hell are you doing. It was

801
00:41:57,680 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 1: the greatest, one of the greatest nights of my life,

802
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:01,320
Speaker 1: and that made me a Guar fan. I've I flew

803
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 1: to Seagua after that, like I just followed them forever.

804
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 1: And that's why when Dave Rocky passed away, that ship

805
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 1: hit me hard because I was in love with those dudes.

806
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 1: That's actually technically the second time I saw Guar because

807
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:14,400
Speaker 1: as you know, when I was working at Sirius sex

808
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:17,320
Speaker 1: m my first gig there was with Fangoria Radio and

809
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 1: they performed live on Fangoria Radio with Dave Brocky, you know,

810
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 1: the classic singer. I don't want to say classic line

811
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 1: up because the lineup changed million um. But I got

812
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 1: to see them perform in the fish Bowl at Sirius

813
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 1: Sex m And you might want this because I like,

814
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 1: I'm not a giant guar fan. I have Lust in

815
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 1: Space signed by all the Yeah no, I have that too. Yeah,

816
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:41,719
Speaker 1: anytime they come up, I always have them signed. Everything.

817
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 1: I've interviewed the guys, a bunch and everything, and we

818
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 1: assumed Dave Brocky. Yeah. Well that's the thing is, like

819
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 1: I I've interviewed Dave Brocky in all forms, like in costume,

820
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 1: out of costume, half in costume as he's getting put

821
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:54,760
Speaker 1: together right before he goes on. Like it's been mind

822
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:57,400
Speaker 1: blowing and I feel like we were finally starting to

823
00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 1: get tight and that's when he passed away. That broke

824
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 1: my heart. But not my favorite live band ever. Definitely

825
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:05,800
Speaker 1: one of my favorite live shows ever. But my favorite

826
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 1: live band ever is the Dillinger Escape Plan. I saw

827
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 1: them in a hundred capacity bar in Long Island, the

828
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 1: Amity film musical. I thought it was at the venue

829
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:21,879
Speaker 1: down the street that holds maybe three hundred. I thought

830
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 1: it was a revolution in Amityville. And then I looked

831
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:26,360
Speaker 1: at the flyer right before I left my house and

832
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:29,800
Speaker 1: it said Amityville Music Hall, and I got scared because

833
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm going to die at this show.

834
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 1: It was I think that might have been one of

835
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 1: the best shows I've ever seen in my entire life.

836
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 1: Was dillenos gate Plan, but any Dilleno's gate Plan show

837
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 1: was the best show I've ever seen in my life.

838
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 1: They They're gonna forever beyond match, which is why I'm

839
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 1: heartbroken that they're not around anymore. And and Ben's playing

840
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 1: with suicidal tendencies right now, like Ben's playing guitarvst suicidal Tendencies.

841
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:53,399
Speaker 1: I think it was just a tour Canada, but like

842
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 1: I want Dillinger back, I want Dillinger back. I was

843
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 1: at all three of their final shows in New York,

844
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 1: all three of them. I went to, got sick as hell,

845
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 1: stood outside in the freezing cold, and got the flu.

846
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 1: So if I were to say my favorite show, it's

847
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 1: weird because it probably wouldn't be Like when I saw

848
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:13,840
Speaker 1: Van Halen at Jones Beach on that last tour. I

849
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 1: wouldn't call Van Halen metal like I consider them more

850
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:19,759
Speaker 1: of the hard rock genre. But incredible regardless to these

851
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 1: people that are like David Lee Roth can't sing anymore

852
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 1: like he sounds fine Eddie van Halen. Just watching him

853
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 1: that close up is watching greatness. There's no one who

854
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:33,800
Speaker 1: plays a guitar like that. Um. But best like metal

855
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:37,280
Speaker 1: show I actually think would be what we spoke about earlier,

856
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 1: the Pantera show at NASA Colisseum. It's just so memorable

857
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:45,839
Speaker 1: to me. I will always remember seeing Pantera at the Colisseum.

858
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 1: I did go onto the floor but then got kicked out.

859
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:51,240
Speaker 1: I was on the floor. I thought I was getting

860
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 1: kicked out of the venue and they're like, no, no no, no,

861
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 1: you just have to go back your seats exact. Yeah,

862
00:44:56,120 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 1: but yeah, Pantera, Slayer and and actually to me, even

863
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:02,839
Speaker 1: though I remember they didn't go over that that well

864
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 1: that night, like to me, Static Acts is just criminally underrated.

865
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 1: That's another guy that we lost, Wayne Static and like

866
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 1: his Soul album incredible, but just the energy of that night.

867
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 1: And I also like I can't think of a lineup

868
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 1: like that and arena show that heavy, that will ever

869
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:23,360
Speaker 1: happen again. To me, It's like those are all bands

870
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 1: of like the extreme genre playing you know, all those

871
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 1: guys on their own you would think would be playing

872
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 1: smaller venues. So to see that at a large arena

873
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 1: was just unbelievable to me, you know. And I'm like you,

874
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 1: I'm a club show guy, but there was something special

875
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 1: about that night. You're never gonna see Pantera in a

876
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:40,319
Speaker 1: club like that would have been. That would have been

877
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 1: sick to see, like Pantera at Avenue Film Musical. But

878
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 1: but wait, where was the first show you saw? The

879
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 1: first show was at Hammerstein, which is gigantic also, but

880
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 1: it's not it's not a colosseum. It's no, it's not

881
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 1: a colosseum. But it was still pretty big. And I

882
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 1: had like the worst seats in the world. You actually, no,

883
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:57,879
Speaker 1: I was on the floor for that. My friend had

884
00:45:57,880 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 1: bad seats. Yeah, I was on the floor. I was

885
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 1: on the floor for all of them, Hammerstein and UH

886
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 1: at Nassau Colise, and that was that was sick. That

887
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 1: was sick. I would yeah, I would probably say that

888
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:10,439
Speaker 1: goes Down is like the best UH metal show I've

889
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:13,839
Speaker 1: been too. But but I hopefully Van Halen does tour

890
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 1: again on the note of Van Halen UM because that

891
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 1: was really an unbelievable show that last tour. But these

892
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:22,360
Speaker 1: guys just they're one of those bands that cannot get along.

893
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:24,800
Speaker 1: And that's why I wonder I may have seen the

894
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:29,359
Speaker 1: last Van Halen tour. I wouldn't be shocked. Yeah, that sucks, man,

895
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:32,800
Speaker 1: because like you said, you know, especially the Day of Years.

896
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 1: I hated it when Melissa Etheridge sang with him or

897
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 1: saying but yeah, yeah, the Day Years. I describe it

898
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:46,319
Speaker 1: to my kids, Um, you know, if we're listening to

899
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:48,799
Speaker 1: Ozzie's Bone Yard and I say, right, who is this?

900
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 1: You know who is this? And they'll listen and I said,

901
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 1: all right, here's the hitch. I've already told you hit.

902
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 1: Everything that they've made is cool. When Dave was with

903
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 1: him that they made it was cool and they said,

904
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 1: oh Dave cool. Yeah. But yeah, man, I loved that

905
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:08,799
Speaker 1: was one of the first bands I was introduced to

906
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 1: UM in uh the you know, high school years, in

907
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 1: the in the in the in the hard rock genre,

908
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 1: you know, because there wasn't a lot going on then

909
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 1: hard rock. I mean, you know, I'm old enough to

910
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:26,399
Speaker 1: remember when Deep Purple was a big thing and when

911
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:29,839
Speaker 1: Blue Oyster Cult was really freaking playing some cool ship,

912
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:33,319
Speaker 1: you know, not just Godzilla in Cities on Flame, but

913
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 1: real cool ship. Um. But yeah, mis ms, the Dave

914
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 1: Ears was Van Hall a big time. Yeah, well, if

915
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:43,400
Speaker 1: they come back with Dave, you know the way they

916
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:45,319
Speaker 1: did in this last tour, I'd say go out and

917
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 1: see them. And as you said, like, don't listen to

918
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 1: the people on the internet, they really couldn't. It's even

919
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 1: you know, it's weird. I was at that show. I

920
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 1: was I was pretty far down. Everybody was having a

921
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 1: great time. And I remember going on YouTube just to

922
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 1: watch the video of that show and you know, someone

923
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:04,360
Speaker 1: far in the back and you hear someone in the

924
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 1: background during the show being like, Dave sounds like ship,

925
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:11,399
Speaker 1: Dave sounds terrible. Like I hate those fucking people who

926
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 1: can't just go to a show, have a great time,

927
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:16,920
Speaker 1: enjoy it. I was actually Smashing Pumpkins last night. How

928
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 1: was that a great time? And I'm not even like

929
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 1: a huge Pumpkins fan. I just felt like, if I'm

930
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 1: ever going to see the Smashing Pumpkins, this is this

931
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:26,840
Speaker 1: is the time, because it's the Reunion minus one member

932
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 1: playing a three hour set playing all the hits, which

933
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:33,880
Speaker 1: it was good Man playing all the hits, which which

934
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:37,440
Speaker 1: Billy apparently doesn't like to do. And uh, but there

935
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 1: were people behind me like talking throughout the whole show.

936
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 1: Why are you here? There's gotta be and see And

937
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:46,840
Speaker 1: that's like another thing we like, there's an epidemic of

938
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 1: just like show disturbances, like like the phone. The phone

939
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:59,399
Speaker 1: thing is crazy because here by year, like listen, I'm

940
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:01,799
Speaker 1: not gonna lie, I take video. I'll take a couple

941
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 1: of pictures, all right, I'll hold my phone up for

942
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 1: maybe like seconds for the entire band set period. I

943
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 1: gotta get it on my social media. It's the only

944
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 1: way anyone's gonna know I was there. I get it.

945
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:17,880
Speaker 1: I'm there too, all right. But the whole goddamn set,

946
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 1: like come on, that is murder. And there's people who

947
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:24,880
Speaker 1: will just not put the phone down. And then another

948
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 1: epidemic is people go to shows and you're sitting there

949
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:32,759
Speaker 1: and talking, and not only that, they're screaming into the

950
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 1: person's ear over the band and it's like, what the

951
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:38,880
Speaker 1: what are you doing here? What the hell are you

952
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 1: doing here? And It's like I can't punch you in

953
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:42,720
Speaker 1: the face because then I'll get thrown out of the venue.

954
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:45,840
Speaker 1: There's gotta be there's gotta be a way to weed

955
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:49,840
Speaker 1: out the scumbags, and there is, and it just sucks.

956
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:52,920
Speaker 1: And I wish people weren't just such pieces of trash.

957
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:56,280
Speaker 1: People just be less trashy and go to shows and

958
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:59,359
Speaker 1: and don't don't disturb it for everybody. But people get drunk,

959
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 1: they don't give a sh it. It It is what it is,

960
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:05,760
Speaker 1: especially in metal. And I have a lot of soapbox issues.

961
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:09,360
Speaker 1: And I'm ordering because I'm because I fucking deserved to

962
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:12,360
Speaker 1: be ordered, That's why. But I've earned the right to

963
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:15,840
Speaker 1: not deserve. But I've earned that right anyway. Man, to

964
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 1: your point, First off, douche baggery at shows. I do

965
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 1: not watch a show through somebody's iPhone the entire show.

966
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 1: You know, in the past three freaking shows I'm meant too,

967
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 1: Maiden Priests and then uh Slayer, I'm watching it through

968
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:37,840
Speaker 1: other people's cell phones. Are you freaking kidding me? Also,

969
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:41,719
Speaker 1: douche baggery. Um oh. To mitigate douche baggery, one of

970
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:43,839
Speaker 1: the things I do, I always buy the highest dollar

971
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 1: take it I'm getting from row. I'm getting um, you

972
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:52,399
Speaker 1: know U V I p section. I don't care if

973
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 1: it's if it's something I want to see, I'm paying

974
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 1: that top dollar because I don't mitigate a little bit

975
00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 1: of a douche bag, a little bit of slayer. I

976
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 1: had to bunch a guy out, which is awesome. I'm

977
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 1: guessing and I'm guessing you really mean that. Knowing you're

978
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:08,879
Speaker 1: Pat McNamara, I couldn't. Well. The guy was a deck.

979
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:11,400
Speaker 1: He deserved it. Um, And I gave him a chance.

980
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 1: I pushed him back. He was he was I don't

981
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:16,360
Speaker 1: I don't need to go in to explain it, but

982
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:18,719
Speaker 1: I but I gave him fair warning and I gave

983
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 1: him a chance and um, and he he was begging

984
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 1: for attention. Uh, and he came at me aggressively. I said, bro,

985
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 1: do you really want to work with me? And I

986
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 1: have I have a policy if you enter, if you

987
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 1: enter my zone, you're going dead. I'm not gonna I'm

988
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 1: not gonna wait face to face. You enter my zone,

989
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:41,839
Speaker 1: you're going down. So yeah, but uh, but but I

990
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:45,440
Speaker 1: went unscathed, um because I had backup because as soon

991
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 1: as I packed them, bam and he went down like

992
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:50,400
Speaker 1: a sack of ship. Eight other people from the crowd

993
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:53,400
Speaker 1: jumped in and they kind of broke it up a

994
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:58,240
Speaker 1: little bit and uh through uh escorted him ountain and

995
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:01,640
Speaker 1: yeah it's all clean, nice, but man, it's a douchebag

996
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:04,759
Speaker 1: or were watching to show through phones people? I mean,

997
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 1: I get a little funk, doun I get a little drunk.

998
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:12,440
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna self aware. Yeah, I wouldn't be opposed

999
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 1: to more bands doing I wasn't at the show, but

1000
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 1: what the Misfits did in New Jersey where they had

1001
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:20,720
Speaker 1: people just take that that that didn't you know everybody

1002
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:22,800
Speaker 1: I had know who went to the businits show a videos.

1003
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 1: So I mean, I don't know how much they un

1004
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 1: force that. I know that, uh so Guns and Roses.

1005
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 1: When they did the comeback show at the Troubador, they

1006
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 1: didn't allow phones. I know there was some video that

1007
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:35,919
Speaker 1: got out there, but very little. I think last jow

1008
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 1: I did a show with then in a while phones,

1009
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:39,959
Speaker 1: But I mean, nowadays you're gonna be looked at, they

1010
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 1: be like, oh, fund this guy. I can't record the

1011
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 1: whole show. I know, I know, and I prefer to.

1012
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 1: But in the age we're in, I mean technically where

1013
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:50,600
Speaker 1: old men, you know, like kids ten years younger than

1014
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:53,880
Speaker 1: us are gonna be like no phones and shows. You

1015
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 1: know what, are you crazy? So it's just like, I mean,

1016
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:59,359
Speaker 1: there's there's gotta be a way around it. It's weird, man,

1017
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:02,319
Speaker 1: because this is probably something in your realm pad Like

1018
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 1: I know you're a very like meditational, um spiritual guy

1019
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:09,279
Speaker 1: with other stuff that you talk about regardless of being

1020
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:12,959
Speaker 1: a metalhead. Um. I wrote an article on soft rep

1021
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:15,920
Speaker 1: just about mindfulness about when I exert. When I exercise,

1022
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 1: I don't know my phone on me. I just have

1023
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 1: like my iPod Nano. I'm listening to my music. I'm

1024
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:23,359
Speaker 1: in my and I know I'm in that zone when

1025
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:27,399
Speaker 1: i'm you know, doing repetitions is something and I don't

1026
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:31,600
Speaker 1: even know what's playing. It's just all like it's like

1027
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 1: gray space to me, I guess, and I'm just completely

1028
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:39,799
Speaker 1: um unplugged. And it's like I try to live my

1029
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:42,560
Speaker 1: life in that mindfulness state and enjoy the moment. If

1030
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:45,240
Speaker 1: I'm at a show, I want to savor and enjoy

1031
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:49,360
Speaker 1: every moment. And I don't have to have every song

1032
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 1: on mike. I don't take any pictures, to be honest,

1033
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 1: I don't have to like I have like. And the

1034
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 1: thing is, if I go on YouTube after the show,

1035
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:58,600
Speaker 1: someone's gonna have it up anyway, So like, I don't

1036
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 1: really care about getting There's gonna be someone in the

1037
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 1: front row who took video that's gonna be up on

1038
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 1: YouTube the next day. So I'm gonna tell I'm with Seawan.

1039
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:10,799
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take a couple of shots maybe story, you know,

1040
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 1: and shoot an I g story. But the phone goes

1041
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:16,719
Speaker 1: away and uh, yeah, because I want to be in

1042
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:19,440
Speaker 1: the here now, man, I want to sort every piece

1043
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 1: of that. Um. I mean, there's so much freaking going on,

1044
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 1: and you are not seeing it. If you're looking at

1045
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 1: it from your phone, you aren't seeing it, you aren't feeling,

1046
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:30,560
Speaker 1: You're not there, you are not present. You're in forty

1047
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:33,960
Speaker 1: five degree syndrome land. People are so freaking connected now

1048
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:38,160
Speaker 1: that they're disconnected. And it's the nature of the way

1049
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 1: things are, you know. They're fat, dumb, happy, flaccid button pushers,

1050
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:47,240
Speaker 1: uh and just very robotic and going about mundane freaking

1051
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:51,840
Speaker 1: tasks and the phones are an extension of their bodies.

1052
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 1: Stopping my dogs are right underneath stop you, but but no,

1053
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:02,880
Speaker 1: and you are a guy who like lives with intensity

1054
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:05,080
Speaker 1: with everything that you do, so I get exactly what

1055
00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:07,120
Speaker 1: you're saying. I mean, if people follow a pad on

1056
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:10,400
Speaker 1: Instagram or you know, check out your website, like whether

1057
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:13,080
Speaker 1: you're working out, whether you're shooting, you do it all

1058
00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:15,960
Speaker 1: with a passion and intensity. And I think people that's

1059
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:21,279
Speaker 1: why people connect with you. Yeah, and I feed off

1060
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 1: those people. I rely on that because now I have

1061
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:28,359
Speaker 1: this like obligation, you know, to make sure I keep

1062
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:34,680
Speaker 1: feeding them. Um, because some people all they need is, um,

1063
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:37,200
Speaker 1: somebody put a little kindling on the fire. Just lookidally,

1064
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:40,480
Speaker 1: you know, stoke those flames. That's it. So I've become

1065
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:43,400
Speaker 1: this person, which I don't mind because it keeps me

1066
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:46,879
Speaker 1: freaking honest, not tracked too. But I like to hit

1067
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:51,040
Speaker 1: every day with intensity because I think about it more

1068
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:53,400
Speaker 1: more and more. I got a young wife, you know,

1069
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:57,480
Speaker 1: she's half my age. Uh yeah, and I wanted a

1070
00:55:57,600 --> 00:56:02,879
Speaker 1: long time to take care the protector. Not only that,

1071
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:05,879
Speaker 1: but um, you know, I'm a freaking I want I'm

1072
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:07,920
Speaker 1: a sheep dog man and I'm I want to be

1073
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:11,160
Speaker 1: a sheep dog for as long as possible. So yeah,

1074
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:15,320
Speaker 1: I mean I love life. I work freaking my ass off.

1075
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:19,279
Speaker 1: But I enjoyed the hell out of every every day,

1076
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:21,960
Speaker 1: every weeking day. Hell yeah, man, Well we're about an

1077
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 1: hour in, so I think we'll wrap this up and

1078
00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:26,400
Speaker 1: then I'll wrap up the show with Sean. But before

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00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:29,919
Speaker 1: we go, you could follow a Pat on Instagram at

1080
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:33,719
Speaker 1: Pat actually at T max Inc. On Instagram t m

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00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:37,560
Speaker 1: A C s I n c um at Pat McNamara

1082
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:40,360
Speaker 1: sixty five on Twitter at p A T m C

1083
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:44,480
Speaker 1: n A m a r A sixty five on Twitter

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00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:48,040
Speaker 1: uh t max inc Dot com. Anything else that you're

1085
00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:50,840
Speaker 1: working on or any classes that you're that you're teaching.

1086
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:53,640
Speaker 1: People want to learn from the best. Yeah, I got

1087
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:56,239
Speaker 1: this one's interesting. If you haven't seen this, you guys

1088
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 1: seen that one. No is that is that you on

1089
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:03,920
Speaker 1: the cover. It's a that you with that's awesome, So

1090
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:06,920
Speaker 1: real quick on this. I write for I write for

1091
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:09,120
Speaker 1: like three different magazines, but I write for Ballistic and

1092
00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:12,319
Speaker 1: they said, hey, we want to do a American made

1093
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:17,200
Speaker 1: metal cover with you featuring this this this nineteen eleven

1094
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:19,200
Speaker 1: I designed with Caroline Islands Group and I said, cool,

1095
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:21,240
Speaker 1: American made medal. I said, bro, let me put my

1096
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:27,880
Speaker 1: g t O in there. It's American. Hey, let me

1097
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 1: get filled the bonde because not only is he metal,

1098
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:35,400
Speaker 1: he's a buddy of mine too, but he's a gun guy. Yeah.

1099
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:38,400
Speaker 1: So that's on the shelves right now. These are sexy

1100
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:41,360
Speaker 1: magazines too. Um. I got all my plug shit here.

1101
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:48,480
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, life saving like Sentinel my book right um,

1102
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:52,640
Speaker 1: and then fell for the day. Invader Coffee. That's my

1103
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:58,360
Speaker 1: own blended coffee right there to Maxine blend. Wow, that's

1104
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:01,960
Speaker 1: and that's that I know it's rogue American apparel, right

1105
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:07,160
Speaker 1: and also is it Invader Coffee dot com? Yep? Very cool.

1106
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:08,920
Speaker 1: I mean that that's when you know you've made it,

1107
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:13,080
Speaker 1: if your own coffee. Oh that's hey, that's my own

1108
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:19,240
Speaker 1: heart work. That's awesome. That's sick dude. Wells as always,

1109
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:21,960
Speaker 1: thanks for coming on man, We appreciate it. Um, this

1110
00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:25,000
Speaker 1: has been great. I'm gonna wrap up everything um with

1111
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:28,120
Speaker 1: Sean for now, but I'll have this up up tomorrow.

1112
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:30,640
Speaker 1: And this was a cool departure from what we normally do.

1113
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:32,520
Speaker 1: I mean, we had you on and we talked about

1114
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:36,360
Speaker 1: you know, your time in Army Special Operations and you

1115
00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:39,760
Speaker 1: know you're shooting instruction stuff. But without Jack here, I

1116
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:43,840
Speaker 1: figured why not talk metal and this was awesome. Yeah.

1117
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:46,760
Speaker 1: And then while I got Shawn here, Hey, big fan

1118
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:50,040
Speaker 1: of especially into the trivia pit. You've got a great

1119
00:58:50,120 --> 00:58:53,680
Speaker 1: voice radio. Thank you, Pat, dude, it was a pleasure

1120
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:56,240
Speaker 1: to do some podcasting with you. This is really awesome

1121
00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:58,440
Speaker 1: and it was a great experience. Man. Looking forward to

1122
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:02,560
Speaker 1: doing it again. Hell yeah, I gotta go get a resill. Yeah, Man,

1123
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:05,360
Speaker 1: enjoy that coffee. That's got a great voice too, Man,

1124
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:08,160
Speaker 1: I mean you you definitely could be like a host

1125
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:10,680
Speaker 1: on Look. Definitely some balls in that voice we could use.

1126
00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:17,560
Speaker 1: I've been accused of faking this. Yeah, you're faking that voice.

1127
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:22,680
Speaker 1: That's not yours. You're faking. Hell yeah, all right, thanks again, man,

1128
00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:29,360
Speaker 1: appreciate it. Later, dude, all right, I'm gonna we're we're

1129
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:32,280
Speaker 1: still recording this on the video, so I'm gonna wrap

1130
00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:35,040
Speaker 1: things up here and then technological I know, and then

1131
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:38,680
Speaker 1: i'll um, I'll wrap things up with you and plug

1132
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:41,040
Speaker 1: what you're up to. Of course, because I did this

1133
00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:44,080
Speaker 1: so acknowledge the camera. Because I did that, that form,

1134
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:46,480
Speaker 1: Pat got into everything he's up to, and I know

1135
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:48,520
Speaker 1: you're up to a lot of great stuff. It's serious. Um.

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Speaker 1: don't know what type of dog Pad has. I'd assume

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Speaker 1: it's a badass dog like I don't have a big

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01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:49,440
Speaker 1: one like him. Y. Yeah, I don't see pad owning.

1157
01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:53,480
Speaker 1: I don't little poodle that, but but whether you do

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Speaker 1: and Android now. UH. Sean has been awesome having you

1183
01:02:16,560 --> 01:02:20,240
Speaker 1: in here. The pleasure is on Twitter at Sean the

1184
01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:23,000
Speaker 1: Butcher and Instagram at Shawn the Butcher. Of course the

1185
01:02:23,080 --> 01:02:25,600
Speaker 1: voice of Ozzy's Bonjard and you'll hear him all the

1186
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Speaker 1: time pretty much on Serious Exit and you recently updated

1187
01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:32,000
Speaker 1: the handle because it was What's in the Box year?

1188
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:35,000
Speaker 1: So I fell in love with this band right and

1189
01:02:35,040 --> 01:02:37,880
Speaker 1: then I started playing them on Liquid Metal and then

1190
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:41,520
Speaker 1: they thanked Jose for playing them and I was like, man,

1191
01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:43,960
Speaker 1: I want them to know that I started playing them.

1192
01:02:44,040 --> 01:02:46,919
Speaker 1: So I was really bitter about it, and my buddy

1193
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Speaker 1: and everybody has been telling me you need to change

1194
01:02:49,080 --> 01:02:51,520
Speaker 1: your handle because What's in the Box is stupid, and

1195
01:02:51,560 --> 01:02:53,520
Speaker 1: I was like, but I like What's in the box though,

1196
01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:57,360
Speaker 1: But I finally decided that, like everybody knows Shan the Bucher,

1197
01:02:57,440 --> 01:02:59,760
Speaker 1: so just be Shan the Butcher. And it was actually available.

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01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:03,880
Speaker 1: God so yeah, I changed everything up and I'm trying

1199
01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:06,640
Speaker 1: to be more professionally when a button down shirt. Now

1200
01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:10,720
Speaker 1: I'm in total corporate sellout mode. So Sean the Butcher

1201
01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:13,920
Speaker 1: has gone corporate yea. On Twitter, On Instagram, you can

1202
01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:16,920
Speaker 1: find doesn't sound like a very I have it on

1203
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:19,560
Speaker 1: my business card. It's like the American Psycho want to

1204
01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:21,840
Speaker 1: be pure white, but just a little splatters of blood

1205
01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:23,920
Speaker 1: all over it. That'd be a cool business card. It's

1206
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Speaker 1: not a bad idea. You probably have the standard series. Yeah,

1207
01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:29,280
Speaker 1: but I need a new one. I need a fresh one.

1208
01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:31,360
Speaker 1: I need a nice, fresh one. But yeah, man, it

1209
01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:32,960
Speaker 1: was awesome being here. It was also talking when you

1210
01:03:33,040 --> 01:03:35,400
Speaker 1: talking with Pat. I love talking with metal anytime you

1211
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:38,080
Speaker 1: guys want to do anything music involved, because I'm just

1212
01:03:38,120 --> 01:03:41,480
Speaker 1: so outside of everything else. My little bubble I live

1213
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:45,120
Speaker 1: in consists of like movies, music and wrestling. Yeah. Well,

1214
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:47,120
Speaker 1: like it's not typical of what we do. And I

1215
01:03:47,120 --> 01:03:49,120
Speaker 1: already know there's gonna be audience members that are like

1216
01:03:49,160 --> 01:03:53,240
Speaker 1: what tune in for special opps neus, But like, I

1217
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:55,760
Speaker 1: think we're entitled to every now and again do something

1218
01:03:55,800 --> 01:03:58,480
Speaker 1: a little different. Um, and you know you have Pat

1219
01:03:58,560 --> 01:04:00,720
Speaker 1: McNamara on here. You know is that I think this

1220
01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:03,840
Speaker 1: audience loves anything he's on, so that's awesome. It was

1221
01:04:04,120 --> 01:04:07,000
Speaker 1: definitely sick. What else do you um working on? I

1222
01:04:07,040 --> 01:04:10,760
Speaker 1: have my website, Hails from the Crypt dot Com, and

1223
01:04:10,840 --> 01:04:13,320
Speaker 1: that is where I put up a bunch of interviews

1224
01:04:13,320 --> 01:04:16,160
Speaker 1: that I do with bands. I've interviewed bands from all

1225
01:04:16,200 --> 01:04:20,520
Speaker 1: over North America. Dudes from Arizona, Gate Creeper, Uh, dudes

1226
01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:26,040
Speaker 1: from Boston, Vain, Pittsburgh, Code Orange, just a bunch of

1227
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Speaker 1: great bands of music that like I'm into and get

1228
01:04:29,720 --> 01:04:32,520
Speaker 1: cool interviews with these bands. And then I'm recently started

1229
01:04:32,680 --> 01:04:36,520
Speaker 1: photographing stuff to just keep myself busy because when on board,

1230
01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:40,040
Speaker 1: I lose my goddamn mind. And all the pictures are

1231
01:04:40,120 --> 01:04:42,480
Speaker 1: up on the site Tails from the Crypt dot com

1232
01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:44,840
Speaker 1: and it's just my hobby right now I'm doing that.

1233
01:04:44,920 --> 01:04:47,000
Speaker 1: I don't have coffee. I wish I had something cool

1234
01:04:47,080 --> 01:04:50,800
Speaker 1: like pat. I got no dogs. I'm allergic to animals really,

1235
01:04:50,840 --> 01:04:53,480
Speaker 1: and yeah, my god, anything cute and cuddly and adorable

1236
01:04:53,520 --> 01:04:55,439
Speaker 1: that will show me any type of love. I can't

1237
01:04:55,480 --> 01:04:57,400
Speaker 1: be anywhere near because I break out in rashes, I

1238
01:04:57,440 --> 01:05:00,840
Speaker 1: start sneezing. I'm allergic to everything. I gotta you accept them.

1239
01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:03,200
Speaker 1: I gotta get surgery in two weeks. I'm falling apart. Dude.

1240
01:05:03,200 --> 01:05:06,720
Speaker 1: I'm told you we're getting old. I think phones are inappropriated, shows,

1241
01:05:07,240 --> 01:05:10,680
Speaker 1: wear a button down. I'm a total, total corporate loser now.

1242
01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:13,800
Speaker 1: Smashing Pumpkins actually last night was a sign of of

1243
01:05:13,840 --> 01:05:16,600
Speaker 1: getting old. Like once you go to a show where

1244
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Speaker 1: everybody is sitting down in your section, it's like we're

1245
01:05:19,360 --> 01:05:22,200
Speaker 1: getting old, because I remember when it, like I saw

1246
01:05:22,320 --> 01:05:25,600
Speaker 1: Skinner recently with my dad on this farewell tour, which

1247
01:05:25,600 --> 01:05:28,040
Speaker 1: who knows if it's really the Farewell tour, but everybody's

1248
01:05:28,080 --> 01:05:30,560
Speaker 1: sitting down. I expect that. When I saw like Aerosmith,

1249
01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:34,120
Speaker 1: I expect that. Smashing Pumpkins still, like I think it's

1250
01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:38,120
Speaker 1: still like yeah, but but no, we're getting old. If

1251
01:05:38,120 --> 01:05:40,160
Speaker 1: you're sitting down, it shows you're getting old, is what

1252
01:05:40,280 --> 01:05:42,880
Speaker 1: it is. Man, I can't help it. My knees hurt.

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Speaker 1: You know it's bad. But it was also a three

1254
01:05:46,040 --> 01:05:48,920
Speaker 1: hour set that's insane, Like I don't remember about that

1255
01:05:49,280 --> 01:05:51,320
Speaker 1: is I don't know because I heard like my buddy

1256
01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:54,280
Speaker 1: Love's Bruce Springsteen's like Bruce plays like four and a half.

1257
01:05:54,520 --> 01:05:56,480
Speaker 1: I'm like dude, if Metallica played for four hours, I

1258
01:05:56,560 --> 01:05:58,920
Speaker 1: walk out after hour or two. Probably, I don't know

1259
01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:00,720
Speaker 1: if I can sit through. I mean, I'm bad with

1260
01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:03,520
Speaker 1: long movies. I'm bad with like I don't know. That's

1261
01:06:03,560 --> 01:06:07,160
Speaker 1: actually why I'm not a huge festival guy. Yeah, it's brutal.

1262
01:06:07,240 --> 01:06:10,320
Speaker 1: I just did Warp Tour. Oh my god, dude. It

1263
01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:14,280
Speaker 1: was like ninety seven degrees on the black top pavement

1264
01:06:14,920 --> 01:06:17,480
Speaker 1: and I was just standing there covered in sweat and

1265
01:06:17,560 --> 01:06:20,080
Speaker 1: there's no shade, so like the sun's just on me,

1266
01:06:20,440 --> 01:06:22,360
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I feel like I'm cooking right now.

1267
01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:25,640
Speaker 1: I'm actually cooking. And that was brutal. I don't know

1268
01:06:25,680 --> 01:06:29,120
Speaker 1: how like festivals are difficult for me even beyond that though,

1269
01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:32,480
Speaker 1: it's just after I hear so many bands at a

1270
01:06:32,520 --> 01:06:35,680
Speaker 1: certain point and I'm I'm a huge music but it's

1271
01:06:35,720 --> 01:06:38,000
Speaker 1: just it's that's actually why I love going to shows

1272
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:39,920
Speaker 1: at Mohegan Sun. I don't know if you have I

1273
01:06:39,960 --> 01:06:41,560
Speaker 1: saw a Slayer that was the first run of the

1274
01:06:41,600 --> 01:06:43,680
Speaker 1: Slayer tour. I went to Mohegan sign have you been

1275
01:06:43,720 --> 01:06:46,200
Speaker 1: to the Wolf then? Though the smaller venue inside of

1276
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:49,120
Speaker 1: se so the Wolf then they have you know me,

1277
01:06:49,160 --> 01:06:51,920
Speaker 1: I love like eighties Hara Metal, which they cater to

1278
01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:54,600
Speaker 1: a lot of that, but the Wolf then if they

1279
01:06:54,640 --> 01:06:56,880
Speaker 1: say a band is going on at eight, they go

1280
01:06:56,920 --> 01:06:59,960
Speaker 1: on at eight. Inside the casino, there is never an opener,

1281
01:07:00,520 --> 01:07:02,880
Speaker 1: so all of the energy is like in that room

1282
01:07:03,320 --> 01:07:05,360
Speaker 1: for that band and that's it. And I kind of love.

1283
01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:07,120
Speaker 1: I love seeing a band play like an hour and

1284
01:07:07,160 --> 01:07:10,880
Speaker 1: a half set, no opener and everyone is into it

1285
01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:14,040
Speaker 1: for that amount of time. I just dig that there's

1286
01:07:14,040 --> 01:07:17,440
Speaker 1: a great opener. I feel different, but but honestly, like

1287
01:07:17,560 --> 01:07:20,320
Speaker 1: seventy percent of the time, I feel like you don't

1288
01:07:20,320 --> 01:07:22,560
Speaker 1: give a shit about the open It's it's been changing

1289
01:07:22,600 --> 01:07:26,000
Speaker 1: for me lately because now the bands I've been going

1290
01:07:26,040 --> 01:07:29,320
Speaker 1: to see have been bringing out bands that the openers

1291
01:07:29,320 --> 01:07:32,240
Speaker 1: have been like really piquing my interest, which is cool,

1292
01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:34,160
Speaker 1: and that's how I've been finding a lot of stuff.

1293
01:07:34,160 --> 01:07:36,640
Speaker 1: So which is important for you, Yes, so like for

1294
01:07:36,720 --> 01:07:38,880
Speaker 1: my research and just to you know, promote bands and

1295
01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:41,040
Speaker 1: get them on the air. But I used to hate

1296
01:07:41,040 --> 01:07:42,760
Speaker 1: it too. I used to never go see the opener.

1297
01:07:42,760 --> 01:07:44,920
Speaker 1: Are used to just like dick around during the opener,

1298
01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:48,920
Speaker 1: But now it's totally you know, it's it's sometimes the

1299
01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:51,960
Speaker 1: opener steals the show, and that's what that I'm looking

1300
01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:53,960
Speaker 1: to get in on the ground floor with bands, you know,

1301
01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:56,520
Speaker 1: bands that don't even have a debut album out yet.

1302
01:07:56,560 --> 01:07:58,600
Speaker 1: This way, once they got something, I snatched them up

1303
01:07:58,640 --> 01:08:01,080
Speaker 1: and I'm like, you guys, mind, we're gonna be best friends.

1304
01:08:01,080 --> 01:08:03,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna promote you guys, but just you know, let's

1305
01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:05,920
Speaker 1: let's hang out. I love I love talking to these

1306
01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:08,000
Speaker 1: bands and hanging out with these bands. But that's why

1307
01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:10,680
Speaker 1: I love those intimate shows, small quick half hours set

1308
01:08:10,720 --> 01:08:14,160
Speaker 1: everybody sweating and each of his face like three hours

1309
01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:17,080
Speaker 1: smash punk. It's mass squeat guard and oh god, I'm

1310
01:08:17,080 --> 01:08:19,559
Speaker 1: sweating just thinking about it. I mean, but what you're

1311
01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:22,080
Speaker 1: saying that, that's how like Jose got introduced, I know,

1312
01:08:22,160 --> 01:08:24,360
Speaker 1: to Doomsday Morning, and I love that they're no longer

1313
01:08:24,400 --> 01:08:27,160
Speaker 1: a band, but I love those guys. And yeah, I

1314
01:08:27,200 --> 01:08:29,519
Speaker 1: don't think he was expecting anything from them. He's just

1315
01:08:29,600 --> 01:08:32,040
Speaker 1: a a show for wherever was headlining that, and he was.

1316
01:08:32,240 --> 01:08:34,639
Speaker 1: He was totally drawn to them, and they got played

1317
01:08:34,680 --> 01:08:36,920
Speaker 1: on Liquid Metal like that's how I remember ripping that

1318
01:08:36,960 --> 01:08:39,360
Speaker 1: song in Hell. Yeah they're great, man, I wish they

1319
01:08:39,360 --> 01:08:42,559
Speaker 1: were still a band. Any any Doomsday Morning show I

1320
01:08:42,600 --> 01:08:46,320
Speaker 1: ever went to got extremely violent, like like nothing I've

1321
01:08:46,320 --> 01:08:49,519
Speaker 1: ever seen before, And and a lot of bands from

1322
01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:52,120
Speaker 1: like that Brooklyn or Queen's area have a following. I

1323
01:08:52,160 --> 01:08:54,320
Speaker 1: have a huge following here, like I don't know if

1324
01:08:54,320 --> 01:08:56,320
Speaker 1: you remember my better end, but when they would play

1325
01:08:56,320 --> 01:08:58,879
Speaker 1: a show in the area, like it would get brutal.

1326
01:08:58,960 --> 01:09:01,680
Speaker 1: But outside of Queens, outside of New York, no one

1327
01:09:01,720 --> 01:09:03,840
Speaker 1: knows who these bands are, which is a shame. It's yeah,

1328
01:09:03,960 --> 01:09:07,000
Speaker 1: it happens. Bands like just get localized and there's or

1329
01:09:07,160 --> 01:09:10,559
Speaker 1: some regions people just aren't feeling it, but hometown hero.

1330
01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:13,479
Speaker 1: But I still feel like, I don't know, bands need

1331
01:09:13,600 --> 01:09:17,479
Speaker 1: to I think expand things a little more. I think

1332
01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:20,080
Speaker 1: we still need some bands like thinking a little more

1333
01:09:20,120 --> 01:09:23,120
Speaker 1: outside of the box and not just putting out like, oh,

1334
01:09:23,160 --> 01:09:25,280
Speaker 1: here's a death metal album or here is you know,

1335
01:09:25,520 --> 01:09:27,720
Speaker 1: a progressive metal album or whatever. I just feel like

1336
01:09:27,760 --> 01:09:29,680
Speaker 1: we need a new sound or a new style or

1337
01:09:29,720 --> 01:09:33,840
Speaker 1: a new like Spotlight band. That's like these are the

1338
01:09:33,920 --> 01:09:37,000
Speaker 1: mother efforts that everyone is talking about right now. Right now,

1339
01:09:37,040 --> 01:09:39,240
Speaker 1: it's kind of just like I feel like disjointing. But

1340
01:09:39,280 --> 01:09:41,200
Speaker 1: there's a lot of good music coming out and from

1341
01:09:41,240 --> 01:09:43,799
Speaker 1: a lot of young kids and being an old man

1342
01:09:44,520 --> 01:09:46,519
Speaker 1: that makes me feel good because I don't want to

1343
01:09:46,560 --> 01:09:48,080
Speaker 1: admit it to myself, but I mean, I see these

1344
01:09:48,120 --> 01:09:49,400
Speaker 1: kids and I'm like, how old do you the like

1345
01:09:49,439 --> 01:09:53,639
Speaker 1: in nineteen twenty and I was like, oh, I'm damn

1346
01:09:53,960 --> 01:09:56,760
Speaker 1: so like, I feel good that there's still kids coming

1347
01:09:56,760 --> 01:09:59,400
Speaker 1: out putting out great heavy music and that even heavy

1348
01:09:59,439 --> 01:10:02,000
Speaker 1: metal is like still alive. Is good because I know,

1349
01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:05,920
Speaker 1: like the insider and like the industry and stuff like

1350
01:10:05,960 --> 01:10:08,280
Speaker 1: when it comes to like moneymakers, I know, hip hops

1351
01:10:08,320 --> 01:10:11,120
Speaker 1: like taking the cake. Right now. E d M is

1352
01:10:11,160 --> 01:10:13,320
Speaker 1: taking the cake. And I know as metal, as and

1353
01:10:13,360 --> 01:10:16,599
Speaker 1: as rock, we are in a very very tight, tight

1354
01:10:16,720 --> 01:10:20,240
Speaker 1: corner and I feel, I mean, that needs to expand

1355
01:10:20,280 --> 01:10:22,800
Speaker 1: and that needs to get so much bigger because you know,

1356
01:10:22,840 --> 01:10:24,519
Speaker 1: I was at Warped Tour. I was the oldest man

1357
01:10:24,560 --> 01:10:26,479
Speaker 1: in Warped Tour. But it made me feel really good

1358
01:10:26,479 --> 01:10:29,800
Speaker 1: to see a lot of kids out at shows, supporting,

1359
01:10:29,880 --> 01:10:32,679
Speaker 1: buying merch, like that's not dying, That's never gonna die.

1360
01:10:32,720 --> 01:10:36,519
Speaker 1: And we are so much more of a passionate group.

1361
01:10:36,960 --> 01:10:38,920
Speaker 1: You know, that E d M ship, that'll that's gonna

1362
01:10:38,960 --> 01:10:40,960
Speaker 1: come and go and in two years, one dude will

1363
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:43,000
Speaker 1: be like, oh, never heard whatever, Like the and the

1364
01:10:43,080 --> 01:10:45,320
Speaker 1: kids listening to that, I don't think you're gonna be

1365
01:10:45,439 --> 01:10:47,519
Speaker 1: in ten fifteen years. I don't think they're gonna be

1366
01:10:47,560 --> 01:10:50,360
Speaker 1: listening to that. Like like what we do is like

1367
01:10:50,479 --> 01:10:52,680
Speaker 1: for life, Like you're never gonna meet accountable corpse guy

1368
01:10:52,720 --> 01:10:54,560
Speaker 1: who was accountable corpse guy when he's fifteen, but not

1369
01:10:54,640 --> 01:10:56,880
Speaker 1: accountable corpse guy when he's forty five, Like it's just

1370
01:10:56,880 --> 01:10:59,640
Speaker 1: gonna stay with him forever. And that I feel like

1371
01:10:59,680 --> 01:11:02,559
Speaker 1: we're much stronger than that, and that's that's the one

1372
01:11:02,560 --> 01:11:05,040
Speaker 1: thing that's going to save us and the music kids

1373
01:11:05,120 --> 01:11:08,600
Speaker 1: keep making music, heavy heavy, heavy music. You know what

1374
01:11:08,680 --> 01:11:12,000
Speaker 1: bands getting a lot of love on Sirious that I

1375
01:11:12,080 --> 01:11:15,640
Speaker 1: knew from literally the very beginning was Siler. I was

1376
01:11:15,680 --> 01:11:19,200
Speaker 1: at I was at Sailer's first show ever, and not

1377
01:11:19,280 --> 01:11:22,920
Speaker 1: only that, I was hanging out with Siler when the

1378
01:11:23,000 --> 01:11:26,759
Speaker 1: lead singer J was a mirrors merch guy was handing

1379
01:11:26,760 --> 01:11:29,360
Speaker 1: me a flyer being like, check out my band, and

1380
01:11:29,439 --> 01:11:31,840
Speaker 1: it was a totally different lineup at the time. And

1381
01:11:31,920 --> 01:11:36,559
Speaker 1: like years later, they're getting played like crazy on Yeah. Yeah,

1382
01:11:36,600 --> 01:11:40,479
Speaker 1: but I mean there they are heavy, but um they're

1383
01:11:40,520 --> 01:11:44,439
Speaker 1: they're not like the traditional metal, sounder core or whatever

1384
01:11:44,640 --> 01:11:48,000
Speaker 1: is well, there's this like there's this um resurgence of

1385
01:11:48,120 --> 01:11:51,200
Speaker 1: new metal apparently, and that's what they said in the

1386
01:11:51,240 --> 01:11:54,400
Speaker 1: metal core genre. But like all of these bands like

1387
01:11:54,439 --> 01:11:58,120
Speaker 1: Siler are heavily influenced by Limp Biscuit, Lincoln Park, and like,

1388
01:11:58,400 --> 01:12:00,280
Speaker 1: I love all that stuff. I mean, I'm on with

1389
01:12:00,320 --> 01:12:02,680
Speaker 1: all that, man. I love I love mixing like hip

1390
01:12:02,760 --> 01:12:04,599
Speaker 1: hop and metal, and I know people like think I'm

1391
01:12:04,600 --> 01:12:05,840
Speaker 1: gonna sell out for that, but I don't get a

1392
01:12:05,880 --> 01:12:08,559
Speaker 1: crap what any thinks about that. Dude. I grew up

1393
01:12:08,600 --> 01:12:10,800
Speaker 1: with hip hop. Before I was listening to anything with

1394
01:12:10,840 --> 01:12:12,840
Speaker 1: the guitar, I was all hip hop. I grew up

1395
01:12:12,880 --> 01:12:14,920
Speaker 1: in Queens. Everyone around me was listening to hip hop.

1396
01:12:14,960 --> 01:12:17,760
Speaker 1: I love hip hop, I love Dr Dre, I love

1397
01:12:17,920 --> 01:12:21,120
Speaker 1: Butang Clan, but that that ship was aggressive as hell,

1398
01:12:21,240 --> 01:12:25,240
Speaker 1: Like those songs are on a hard yes on excreen.

1399
01:12:25,439 --> 01:12:28,639
Speaker 1: Onyx is heavy metal rap period. I mean, those beats

1400
01:12:28,640 --> 01:12:31,280
Speaker 1: are knocking and you can headbang and you can mosh

1401
01:12:31,320 --> 01:12:34,920
Speaker 1: to that stuff. Definitely, slam from Onyx is about washing.

1402
01:12:35,080 --> 01:12:39,880
Speaker 1: Like it's incredible that that hip hop, you know, adopted

1403
01:12:39,960 --> 01:12:41,920
Speaker 1: some heavy metal stuff and even these new dudes a

1404
01:12:41,920 --> 01:12:44,920
Speaker 1: little oozy vert. Who the hell, I have no idea,

1405
01:12:45,120 --> 01:12:47,800
Speaker 1: but his logo is the Metallica logo. Like, and I

1406
01:12:47,840 --> 01:12:51,040
Speaker 1: think he rocks manson shirt on stage like all the time.

1407
01:12:51,120 --> 01:12:53,759
Speaker 1: So like, and they want mosh pits at shows. They're

1408
01:12:53,800 --> 01:12:57,160
Speaker 1: like they everybody at the hip hop shows a mahing.

1409
01:12:57,240 --> 01:12:59,479
Speaker 1: So like. I love when that stuff gets integrated, which

1410
01:12:59,640 --> 01:13:02,840
Speaker 1: I love E Town Concrete, I love you know, I

1411
01:13:02,960 --> 01:13:06,759
Speaker 1: love corn. You know that there's so many hip hop

1412
01:13:06,880 --> 01:13:09,080
Speaker 1: related things. Not all of it's good. I don't love

1413
01:13:09,120 --> 01:13:10,559
Speaker 1: all of it. A lot of it's really do she

1414
01:13:11,320 --> 01:13:14,240
Speaker 1: But I'm definitely into blending that and if that makes

1415
01:13:14,240 --> 01:13:17,240
Speaker 1: a comeback, I don't know. I'm I've been getting showed

1416
01:13:17,280 --> 01:13:20,759
Speaker 1: a bunch of new really hip hop, really metal stuff

1417
01:13:20,800 --> 01:13:23,200
Speaker 1: that I think we're gonna start playing on liquid metal interesting,

1418
01:13:23,320 --> 01:13:25,040
Speaker 1: and I don't know how people are gonna take to it,

1419
01:13:25,080 --> 01:13:26,599
Speaker 1: but I mean that's I mean, we're here to We're

1420
01:13:26,640 --> 01:13:28,240
Speaker 1: here to play stuff, and if people love it, then

1421
01:13:28,240 --> 01:13:29,559
Speaker 1: they love it, and if they hate it, that is

1422
01:13:29,600 --> 01:13:32,040
Speaker 1: what it is, as long as people are actually into

1423
01:13:32,080 --> 01:13:34,240
Speaker 1: the music. Because what we're saying about the little Lucy

1424
01:13:34,240 --> 01:13:36,360
Speaker 1: of Earth thing, it reminds me of like there's pictures

1425
01:13:36,360 --> 01:13:39,240
Speaker 1: out there with Kim Kardashian wearing a morbid angel. Yes,

1426
01:13:39,479 --> 01:13:42,280
Speaker 1: do I really believe in the kardashi in the household

1427
01:13:42,280 --> 01:13:45,200
Speaker 1: they're listening to more. It's trendy. It's I mean, it's

1428
01:13:45,240 --> 01:13:47,519
Speaker 1: cool that it's trendy. I mean, it sucks that she's

1429
01:13:47,560 --> 01:13:49,599
Speaker 1: wearing it, but think of how awesome it is that

1430
01:13:49,680 --> 01:13:53,519
Speaker 1: maybe some freaking little whatever is like what the hell

1431
01:13:53,560 --> 01:13:55,599
Speaker 1: does that finds more of an angel and ends up

1432
01:13:55,680 --> 01:13:59,800
Speaker 1: changing her entire life. Like it's it's and I know,

1433
01:14:00,280 --> 01:14:03,040
Speaker 1: you know Gary Hold from Slayery Rocks to kill the Kardashians. Sure,

1434
01:14:03,320 --> 01:14:05,439
Speaker 1: but like you know, with with Kanye rock in the

1435
01:14:05,479 --> 01:14:07,519
Speaker 1: gear and Kim rock in the gear, I mean, I

1436
01:14:07,520 --> 01:14:09,479
Speaker 1: don't care. I'm not gonna be like, oh screw that.

1437
01:14:09,720 --> 01:14:11,920
Speaker 1: I know they don't listen to it whatever, but like

1438
01:14:12,000 --> 01:14:14,640
Speaker 1: you know, that's that's free promotion right there for a

1439
01:14:14,640 --> 01:14:17,640
Speaker 1: testament or whatever Kanye is wearing, Like it is what

1440
01:14:17,720 --> 01:14:20,120
Speaker 1: it is, and if that's what it's got to be

1441
01:14:20,160 --> 01:14:22,400
Speaker 1: to expand metal, I mean, I just want metal forever.

1442
01:14:22,439 --> 01:14:24,120
Speaker 1: I want my kids to listen to metal when I

1443
01:14:24,120 --> 01:14:28,240
Speaker 1: ever eventually demon spawned some you know, but I want

1444
01:14:28,439 --> 01:14:31,760
Speaker 1: I want to just spread the music, because I mean,

1445
01:14:31,800 --> 01:14:34,879
Speaker 1: going to shows is my life, Like it's my release,

1446
01:14:35,120 --> 01:14:38,400
Speaker 1: it's my everything, and I can't not have this in

1447
01:14:38,439 --> 01:14:40,320
Speaker 1: my life. So I want to help it grow. I

1448
01:14:40,360 --> 01:14:42,080
Speaker 1: want to watch it grow, and I want to watch

1449
01:14:42,160 --> 01:14:44,680
Speaker 1: these kids come up and if I have a platform

1450
01:14:44,720 --> 01:14:46,920
Speaker 1: to help them out, hell yeah. Like I want to

1451
01:14:46,920 --> 01:14:49,280
Speaker 1: get these kids out there. And I love getting hit

1452
01:14:49,360 --> 01:14:50,960
Speaker 1: up by bands and they're like, yo, are we on

1453
01:14:51,000 --> 01:14:53,840
Speaker 1: the radio? Like it blows and like we're not a

1454
01:14:54,280 --> 01:14:57,200
Speaker 1: you know, jag Off radio Stagum, we're gonna know North America.

1455
01:14:57,320 --> 01:15:01,720
Speaker 1: So everybody from Florida, I terrible geographically, but from the

1456
01:15:01,720 --> 01:15:05,880
Speaker 1: bottom right to the top of Mexico, and everybody's listening

1457
01:15:05,920 --> 01:15:08,719
Speaker 1: to Canada, to Canada and parts of Canada, which is crazy.

1458
01:15:08,760 --> 01:15:11,120
Speaker 1: So like we're playing these bands to the entire country

1459
01:15:11,680 --> 01:15:14,400
Speaker 1: and I would love to get them some heat and

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