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We just got a bunch of new details 11 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 1: about the Paul Pelosi attack. Nine to one call the 12 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 1: bodycam footage and surveillance cam footage. So let's go chronologically. 13 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:37,600 Speaker 1: Number one, Fox News has the surveillance video footage of 14 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:41,480 Speaker 1: David Depath, the attacker, actually breaking into the Pelosi home. 15 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 1: Let's watch that first, to Pap and you see him, 16 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 1: you put some items down, You see him breaking some 17 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:52,239 Speaker 1: glass and the fragments of glass that are breaking. Now, Emily, 18 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 1: talk to me about this as evidence in the case. Well, 19 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 1: so keep in mind that this suspect is facing federal 20 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 1: charges and stayed at the same time, right, all right, 21 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 1: So clearly, what can we take away from that to 22 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 1: Pap was not invited into the home. He broke his 23 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 1: way in there, and there doesn't appear to have been 24 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 1: enough of an alarm system in order to trip nine 25 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 1: to one one or a broken glass window or trigger 26 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 1: or anything like that to actually bring law enforcement to 27 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:16,920 Speaker 1: the scene. From there, where do we pick up Pelosi 28 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:20,960 Speaker 1: has been taken hostage by mister David Depap and somehow 29 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:23,679 Speaker 1: Pelosi is able to call nine to one one. So 30 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:25,759 Speaker 1: throughout the course of this nine one one call, we're 31 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:28,039 Speaker 1: about to listen to a couple of things. Number One, 32 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 1: he's clearly in distress. Number two, what's he trying to do? 33 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:33,679 Speaker 1: He's trying to finesse the fact that he's literally being 34 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 1: held hostage at the same time trying to get nine 35 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 1: to one one to dispatch to actually send some officers 36 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:41,679 Speaker 1: to his house. Scariest moment of the call for me, 37 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 1: specifically when they almost try and hang up on him 38 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 1: and say, well, call back if you need us. So 39 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:49,559 Speaker 1: take a listen to that in full. Here just waiting 40 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 1: for my wife to come back. He's just waiting person 41 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 1: come back because he's not going to be here for 42 00:01:57,280 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 1: a day. So I guess we have to wait. So 43 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 1: I've got okay, no, no, no no, this this gileman just 44 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 1: came into the house down and say, okay, who what's 45 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 1: the gentleman's name? What's my name is David? The name 46 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 1: is David. I'm a friend of theirs. Yeah, he says 47 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 1: he's a friend, but that you don't know who he is. 48 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 1: All right. So, as you could see really dicey moment 49 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:40,639 Speaker 1: when she almost hangs up on him, and then they 50 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 1: start to figure out that something really weird is going on. 51 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 1: She keeps saying, this is San Francisco Police. She's like, 52 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 1: well do you know this man? Et cetera. Eventually then 53 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:51,640 Speaker 1: dispatching police over to the house. All right, So that's 54 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 1: when the body cam footage kicks in. You have police 55 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 1: officers arriving on the scene. They realize, okay, we're at 56 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:00,120 Speaker 1: the right house. They ring and kind of knock on 57 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:02,640 Speaker 1: the door, and that's when the door opens and we 58 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:04,920 Speaker 1: see a couple of things everything to look out for. 59 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:07,800 Speaker 1: Number One, Pelosi is in a strange mood. He's kind 60 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 1: of smiling. He's also holding onto the hammer with David 61 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:14,240 Speaker 1: de pap My initial estimation is he's just trying to 62 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 1: do everything you can to keep to Pap in the 63 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:20,640 Speaker 1: situation as least stressful as possible, keep the guy calm 64 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 1: to Pap himself, has a really deranged look on his face. 65 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 1: And also you know Pelosi having one hand on the 66 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 1: hammer to Pap also with his hand on the hammer 67 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 1: as well. Really dicey with the police there. That's what 68 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 1: accelerates the situation. Let's take a listen in full. Just 69 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 1: a warning for everybody watching this. It's it's uh, it's 70 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 1: kind of disturbing, especially on the latter half of the 71 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 1: video after he Pelosi actually does get attacked. Let's watch 72 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 1: the full thing. How you doing? What's going on? Man? 73 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 1: All right? Hey? What is going on? All right? So 74 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 1: what do we take away from that? Man? Just? Uh, 75 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 1: first of all, that horrible sound Pelosi making after being attacked, 76 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 1: no matter what you think about anybody, and you know, 77 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:43,799 Speaker 1: things that they have done, old man like that in distress, 78 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 1: getting attacked by a dranged individual like this is just horrific, 79 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 1: absolutely horrific to see to Thank god, the police were 80 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 1: able to arrive on the scene, and you know, I 81 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:56,599 Speaker 1: mean they immediately kind of sprang into action there to 82 00:04:56,960 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 1: jump the guy. Off of him, and then honestly, just 83 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:02,360 Speaker 1: for Paul Pelosi himself, that took courage in that situation. 84 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 1: He kept it diffused as possible, called nine to one one, 85 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:07,720 Speaker 1: was able to get the guy over there, and appears 86 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 1: to have kept it at least non violent before the 87 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 1: police officers arrived. So I guess we can take away 88 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 1: a couple of things, you know, in terms of the 89 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 1: rumors around what was weird, clearly DPAP did break into 90 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:21,680 Speaker 1: the residents. Also in terms of the attack itself has know, 91 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 1: some people are focusing in on kind of how weird 92 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 1: and almost jovial Paul Pelosi was when answering the door, 93 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 1: But in context, I think with the nine to one 94 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 1: one call, it's clear he's just trying to keep things 95 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:35,920 Speaker 1: as calm as possible. Overall, honestly a terrifying situation, and 96 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 1: I guess, you know, my personal takeaway from it is 97 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 1: always be prepared, man. You never know what's going to 98 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:44,279 Speaker 1: go down. And it still took a while for the 99 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 1: police to get there. So if somebody breaks in your home, 100 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 1: be prepared. Have an alarm system if it's your thing, 101 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 1: if that's what you believe in, have something you can 102 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 1: defend yourself with because you're the first line of defense. 103 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 1: Breaking news happened right after we wrapped the show. Major 104 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:02,280 Speaker 1: entertaining news whenever it comes to CNN. We brought you before. 105 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:05,160 Speaker 1: They're exploring hiring a comedian, and it seems they have 106 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:07,720 Speaker 1: made their choice. Let's put this up there on the screen. 107 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 1: Bill Maher's post show overtime segment will now be aired 108 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:16,719 Speaker 1: on CNN on Friday nights beginning this week. So here 109 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:20,600 Speaker 1: is the official announcement. HBO's popular show segment, Overtime is 110 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 1: coming to CNN Friday nights at eleven thirty pm Eastern Time, 111 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:27,719 Speaker 1: starting Friday, February third. It will air during CNN Tonight. 112 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 1: Overtime features Mar and his guest continuing the discussion. I 113 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 1: believe it's available on YouTube as I understand it, so 114 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 1: not really sure why anyone will tune into it live, 115 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:38,359 Speaker 1: But maybe they'll take it off YouTube and make it 116 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:41,800 Speaker 1: CNN exclusive and maybe nobody will watch it. Mar headline, 117 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 1: they ta blah blah blah. The executive producers of Real 118 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 1: Time are Bill Maher, and they lay out all the 119 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 1: other people who are involved. So this actually made the 120 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:51,679 Speaker 1: most sense. It's what we talked about in our segment 121 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:55,920 Speaker 1: about this, which is he's already under the Discovery platform, 122 00:06:56,240 --> 00:07:00,599 Speaker 1: the Umbrella company, because it is owned by Discovery. HBO 123 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 1: is a subsidiary of that company, same as CNN. So 124 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 1: if you already have IP you need to fill in 125 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 1: a slot, might as well take some stuff that you 126 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 1: already own. Have somebody under contract who is a well 127 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:15,679 Speaker 1: known personality and slought him on to CNN. My initial 128 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 1: take is, Bill, I dare you to feature criticism of 129 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 1: CNN on CNN. Let's see how independent and how much 130 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 1: FU money you actually have. Well, you know, I was looking. 131 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 1: It matters a lot whether or not they pull it 132 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 1: from YouTube, because there's no chance in hell he's going 133 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 1: to get anywhere near the views on CNN that what's 134 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 1: in lay right now. I mean the overtime segments they 135 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 1: get like this last time. This last one had Bill Barr, 136 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 1: Nancy Mace, and Andrew Sullivan. It's got almost a million views, Like, yeah, 137 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 1: CNN's not going to and on YouTube, you know a 138 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 1: lot of those views are going to ultimately be in 139 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 1: the demo, whereas on CNN, a lot of those views 140 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 1: are not going to be in the demo. So many 141 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 1: of these overtime segments, you know, do pretty well on YouTube, 142 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 1: and for those of you, I don't know how many 143 00:07:58,000 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 1: of you are like fans of the show or even 144 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 1: watch the show, But over time is like the postgame. 145 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 1: So you've already done on the topics, they lay down whatever, 146 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 1: and they bring out all the guests and they do 147 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 1: another little like half an hour after the fact. And 148 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 1: it actually, in some times some ways it is the 149 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 1: most interesting part of the show because people have kind 150 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 1: of like got their like their angst to whatever from 151 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 1: the doing the show and from the audience. Like that's 152 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 1: over and people are a little more relaxed and candid. 153 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 1: But I'm skeptical that CNN is ultimately going to be 154 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 1: comfortable with this unless it's really sanitized, because you know, 155 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:37,960 Speaker 1: the rules on HBO are different. First of all, yeah, 156 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:41,199 Speaker 1: they're not under FCC, but I know they have advertisement 157 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:46,199 Speaker 1: regulations or whatever. And also Bill at this point, I mean, politically, 158 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 1: he's hard to peg and he'll say some things that 159 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 1: you know, he's very anti Trump, so a CNN audience 160 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 1: will be very comfortable with that, but there are other 161 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:58,720 Speaker 1: areas that that he's going to really piss off a 162 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 1: CNN audience so I don't know, I'm just I'm skeptical 163 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 1: that the juice is gonna be worth the squeeze here. Ultimately, 164 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:09,560 Speaker 1: for CNN, it seems to me like a bit of 165 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:12,439 Speaker 1: an odd mix in terms of the choice, other than 166 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 1: just the ease of he was already under the umbrella. 167 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 1: So I just looked at his show and one of 168 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 1: his guests this week was Francis Hogan, and it's like 169 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 1: the Star Wars meme. I'm like, that's a name I 170 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 1: have not heard. I don't even know who is that. 171 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 1: It's a Facebook whistleblower lady, you remember, Yeah, I was like, 172 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 1: why is this lady on your show right now? Like 173 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 1: what are you doing? But like, for example, I mean 174 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 1: Andrew Sullivan, Yeah, is very controversial, but I'm saying that's 175 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:40,839 Speaker 1: a very controversial figure for liberals, right, So again it's 176 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:43,719 Speaker 1: just like, you know, you're really, you're really going to 177 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 1: be pushing the boundaries with some of your audience in 178 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 1: terms of what they're comfortable with. Now, maybe that's not 179 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 1: a bad thing to like push them in some different directions, 180 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:57,960 Speaker 1: but you know, I don't know, We'll see. It seems 181 00:09:58,000 --> 00:09:59,839 Speaker 1: to me like a strange fit to just sort of 182 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 1: thank you horn this existing piece of the mar Show 183 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 1: into a CNN time slot and listen. I'm also going 184 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 1: to be very curious to see what the ratings are 185 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 1: because I have guessed that they're not going to be great. 186 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:13,080 Speaker 1: It's not a great time slot. Friday night at that 187 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 1: point time anyway is not a great time slot. Yeah, 188 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 1: good point, man, weird guess. I'm looking through this. Some 189 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 1: of these, I'm like, Wow, that's great. Some of these 190 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:22,200 Speaker 1: I'm like, why would you ever book that person? But hey, 191 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 1: I'm not the key demo clearly, at least for these people. 192 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 1: Big news in the world of chat GPT and journalism, 193 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 1: a lot of people are talking about this. Let's put 194 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 1: this up there on the screen. BuzzFeed announcing that it 195 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:35,559 Speaker 1: will increase the use of chat GPT to create listicles 196 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 1: and content after cutting twelve percent of its workforce, stock 197 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 1: is up a staggering one hundred and forty six percent. 198 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:45,199 Speaker 1: I think the first case of chat GPT genuinely replacing 199 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 1: a white collar workforce. It's an interesting one, I think, 200 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:51,679 Speaker 1: to say the least. Here's the problem, though, what have 201 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 1: we already covered? And I guess with BuzzFeed the stakes 202 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 1: are low some bullshit listical about here's the twelve things 203 00:10:57,240 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 1: or whatever that say that you're witch Harry Potter, else 204 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 1: you're in I'm Slytherin. By the way, I have a 205 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:05,079 Speaker 1: Slytherin scar. What does that tell you, though, which is 206 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 1: when the stakes are low, I think it's fine already. 207 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:10,680 Speaker 1: C net and what was it? C net and bank 208 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 1: Rate have had to suspend the use of chat shept 209 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 1: when writing articles because it was getting basic facts wrong. 210 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 1: So it's one of those where and maybe it'll get there. 211 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 1: I think it's going to be a titanic and a 212 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 1: very difficult struggle to genuinely do. Also, because you know, 213 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 1: factual journalism in the way that they're considering it in 214 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 1: Silicon Valley that is already essentially commoditized and is already 215 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 1: concentrated to the AP, Reuters and Bloomberg. You don't need 216 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:41,440 Speaker 1: you know, like none of us are suffering, or like 217 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 1: mass employment does not exist to say X event happened. 218 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 1: That's already outside what the real business is and being 219 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 1: like what does this mean? Let's string like six things 220 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 1: together and tell a story. That's what most things in 221 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 1: the New York Times are. It's not just news, it's context. 222 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:00,839 Speaker 1: That's a lot of what we do over here as well. 223 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:03,400 Speaker 1: Can AI replace that? Maybe? You know, I'm not going 224 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 1: to say no. I've been amazed at the technology so far, 225 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 1: but I also you have to recognize limitations when you 226 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:10,959 Speaker 1: play with it. You see the limitations really really clearly. 227 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 1: I was looking online. Actually there was If you ask it, 228 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 1: what is the most cited economic paper in history? I 229 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:22,080 Speaker 1: think that's a question. It actually returns to you a 230 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 1: paper that does not exist. Oh wow, by real economists, 231 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 1: but economists who did not you know, maybe they work together, 232 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 1: but they did not write this paper. And then they're 233 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:34,199 Speaker 1: claiming that this paper was the most cited economics paper 234 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:37,319 Speaker 1: in history. And so there is a whole analysis actually 235 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 1: online of the way that the AI would arrive at 236 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 1: like inventing this paper. But this is just an example 237 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 1: to show you that there's still a lot of failings, 238 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:48,559 Speaker 1: that a lot of weaknesses in this And again, if 239 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:51,679 Speaker 1: you ask it to do something for you, that becomes 240 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:56,200 Speaker 1: extremely clear, extremely quickly. So my guess is BuzzFeed was 241 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 1: already planning to cut these jobs with or without chat GPT. 242 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 1: To be honest with you, I mean, there are mass 243 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:04,720 Speaker 1: media layoffs at a lot of news outlets across the country, 244 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:08,440 Speaker 1: and you know, a lot of stock rewards for laying 245 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 1: off those workers. Ultimately, so you know, we'll see if 246 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:15,320 Speaker 1: this works out for their little listical creation business. But 247 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:17,680 Speaker 1: I think it also shows you the level of sort 248 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:20,560 Speaker 1: of respect that they have for their audience and commitment 249 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 1: they have to the integrity of the listical creation process. 250 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 1: I guess as well. Just churn, churn and burn, churn 251 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:28,720 Speaker 1: and burn. It's very twenty twelve. That's why the company 252 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:30,559 Speaker 1: fits true. It had nothing to do with the journalist. 253 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 1: It's just a crap business model. That's really what it's 254 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 1: all about. It's not what people want at all. But 255 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:37,200 Speaker 1: you know, good luck on your views. I hope it 256 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 1: works out, especially when adrates are down by like forty 257 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:44,680 Speaker 1: five percent. The new chairman of the Senate Health Committee 258 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 1: has a message for the pharmaceutical industry that they're probably 259 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 1: not going to like. Let's roll that it's a new 260 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:51,960 Speaker 1: chairman of the Health, Education, Labor and Punching Committe. I'm 261 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 1: gonna do everything I can to protect the needs of 262 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:56,439 Speaker 1: a struggling working class in this country. That means we're 263 00:13:56,440 --> 00:14:00,040 Speaker 1: going to take on to greed. The pharmaceutical industry the 264 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 1: highest prices in the world for prescription drugs. To lower 265 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 1: those prices, We're going to expand healthcare in this country. 266 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 1: Our eventual goal is healthcare for all through a Medicare 267 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 1: for Old single payof program. We're going to deal with 268 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 1: the crisis in childcare in this country, outrageous the working 269 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 1: families have to pay fifteen thousand dollars a year to 270 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 1: get the kids into childcare. We're can deal with the 271 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 1: issue of student debt. We'll deal with the fact that 272 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 1: so many of our teachers are fleeing the profession at 273 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 1: a time when we need the best public school system 274 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 1: that we possibly can have. So we got an enormous 275 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 1: amount of work to be done. To look forward to 276 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 1: work with you, the American people, and standing off the 277 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 1: powerful special interest you can start developing policy that works 278 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 1: for all. Just a one percent. Thanks. This is neither 279 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 1: here nor there. But did you notice that he's wearing 280 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 1: his I am asking you one more time jacket in there? Oh? 281 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 1: He always wears that in winter. This is his permanent 282 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 1: state of existence. It's very thet Bernie Sanders has one 283 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 1: really nice jacket, right, How good from your perspective? Vi 284 00:14:57,280 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 1: iss it to say Chairman of the Senate to help 285 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 1: Committee Bernie Sanders. I mean, this guy ten years ago 286 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 1: was considered so fringe, right, like, nobody really took him 287 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 1: seriously in Washington, d c. Except for leftists the progressive movement. 288 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 1: Obviously it has taken him seriously since then. But I 289 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 1: think it's it's an incredible testament to the work he's 290 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 1: done over the last decade that he's now the chairman 291 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 1: of the committee. Yeah, it was, and it was a 292 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 1: lot of fun saying Budget Committee chairman while the reconciliation 293 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:30,480 Speaker 1: process was was the thing that everything was revolving around 294 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 1: in the Senate. Having having him be the one with 295 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 1: the pen on that was I think, you know, I 296 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 1: think meant a significant difference in the Senate and then 297 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 1: as a result in the lives of you hundreds of 298 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 1: millions of people afterwards. So yes, you know, we can 299 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 1: put up this Axios tear sheet here, which has some fun, 300 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 1: you know, sad quotes from drug maker lobbyists saying, actually sponsors, 301 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 1: by the way, their corporate sponsors definitely includes some of 302 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 1: the farm companies. Yes, and oh for sure. They it's 303 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 1: you know, basically everything in Washington is funded by drug makers, 304 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 1: weapons makers. Uh, you know, whatever kind of variety of 305 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 1: content creators need need protections for whatever rents they're seeking 306 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 1: at the time, and that that's that and oil and 307 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 1: gas like that's those those are like if you flip through, 308 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 1: uh you know, the kind of role call political hill 309 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 1: on the on the hill, that's those the full page 310 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 1: ads that you're going to see. Uh. But yeah, so 311 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 1: a bunch of bunch of fun quotes from them saying, 312 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 1: you know, don't worry, we'll be ready. We but we 313 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 1: do expect that we're going to take a beating, uh 314 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 1: with Axios acknowledging that Republicans, you know, control the House 315 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 1: of Representatives so that Sanders won't be able to enact 316 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 1: some of his more ambitious schemes. So, but we wish, 317 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 1: but we should get some good hearings out of it, 318 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 1: at least one pharma this is this is to Axios. 319 00:16:55,960 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 1: One pharmaceutical industry source said, quote, I think that's going 320 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 1: to be a really real challenge. Referring to quote, I 321 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:05,120 Speaker 1: have no doubt there will be tough hearings with people 322 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 1: from industry being forced to testify, subpoenas to testify, et cetera. 323 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 1: And then the source goes on to say that's going 324 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:12,399 Speaker 1: to be a real challenge. It is going to be 325 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:15,639 Speaker 1: a real challenge. And there are more quotes over the 326 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 1: course of this article where this is a consultant for 327 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 1: Forma who says we're seeing companies intensify their proactive education 328 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:25,480 Speaker 1: and advocacy efforts while also preparing to deal with fresh 329 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 1: attacks from the senator. Actually says the consultant added that 330 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 1: there's hope attention could shift to other players in the 331 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 1: drug supply chain. Yes, which is fine. Why not? Both 332 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 1: would be mine, right, And that goes back to this 333 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 1: story we were talking about last week where big tech 334 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 1: is urging Congress not to focus on big tech but 335 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 1: to go after Live Nation and Ticketmaster, which, yeah, go 336 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:50,879 Speaker 1: after Live Nation Ticketmaster, but doesn't mean don't go after 337 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 1: big tech as well. Yeah. And actually, this is another 338 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:57,200 Speaker 1: really interesting part of the Sanders wrote a Fox News 339 00:17:57,240 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 1: op ed where he said, quote, greedy farmer rips off Americans. 340 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 1: That's the move to put that in Fox News, And 341 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:06,719 Speaker 1: I think he's placed off eds there before, when, by 342 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:09,399 Speaker 1: the way, it was a controversy for Democrats to do 343 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 1: town halls on Fox News in twenty twenty or whatever, 344 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:16,359 Speaker 1: despite the fact that maybe some of the people who 345 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:19,879 Speaker 1: watch Fox News are completely open to different messages on 346 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 1: different issues because it has a big audience. Whatever you 347 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 1: think of as the average Fox News viewers is certainly 348 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 1: like a stereotype that's not representative of the bulk of 349 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 1: people that are watching that show, because it just gets 350 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 1: big audiences, meaning that there are a lot of people listening. 351 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 1: And if you're watching Tucker Carlson, you've probably seen a 352 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:40,480 Speaker 1: lot of overlap between Tucker and some people on the left. 353 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:44,120 Speaker 1: So it's I think very shrewd to Bernie to go 354 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:49,640 Speaker 1: after quote greedy Pharma in Fox News. And I'm also 355 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:51,199 Speaker 1: curious whether or not he's going to use it as 356 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 1: a wedge against Republicans who are now talking about strengthening Medicare. 357 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 1: By strengthening, as we talked about earlier Sedacare, they mean 358 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 1: cutting it. And you'll also see I think it was 359 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:04,879 Speaker 1: Jim Jordan, or maybe with Steve Scalise recently saying, look, 360 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:07,800 Speaker 1: why are you coming after us for saying that we're 361 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 1: going to cut medicare when the only people who have 362 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:15,680 Speaker 1: cut Medicare are these Democrats who cut hundreds of millions 363 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:20,399 Speaker 1: of dollars out of Medicare with their reconciliation package. And 364 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:23,600 Speaker 1: what they mean by that is they allowed Medicare to 365 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:27,399 Speaker 1: negotiate drug prices and that's going to save Medicare money. 366 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 1: And so they're calling that a cut. And so you 367 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 1: wind up then kind of jamming Republicans up. It seems 368 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:40,719 Speaker 1: like saying, wait a minute, you don't support allowing Medicare 369 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:43,800 Speaker 1: to negotiate for lower drug prices. That's like when they 370 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:48,119 Speaker 1: pull that, I think that pulls. That pulls higher than 371 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:50,440 Speaker 1: the number of people in Santos's district who think you 372 00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 1: should resign. Well, back in the Tea Party years, there 373 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:57,160 Speaker 1: was this real effort to color people as either makers 374 00:19:57,200 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 1: or takers and to really shame people. Paul Ryan's failed 375 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:03,919 Speaker 1: to tempt it. Yeah, spreading. Yeah, it's a dichotomy. You're 376 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 1: either a maker or your taker. And obviously a taker 377 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 1: is pejorative and maker is this huge compliment. And you'd 378 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 1: see them talk about CEOs and obviously this has been 379 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 1: true of Republicans for a long time. No, they're right, 380 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 1: they're makers. They're not takers, of course, even though of 381 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:21,440 Speaker 1: course they're corporate welfare queens are a much bigger threat 382 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 1: to the country. But all that is to say, I'm 383 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 1: really curious if Republicans can make this logical leap in 384 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:32,639 Speaker 1: their head, which is such an easy one to do. 385 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:35,720 Speaker 1: They've been really upset with I think some of the 386 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 1: reprehensible tactics. I'm sure you see it in pharma. We've 387 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:40,480 Speaker 1: seen it in the defense industry. We've seen it in 388 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:43,119 Speaker 1: the media, corporate media space. We've seen it from just 389 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 1: about every major corporation, these awful like signals on different 390 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 1: issues that I think have really changed the norms in 391 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:57,160 Speaker 1: this country that have been damaging on a variety of issues. 392 00:20:57,160 --> 00:21:00,400 Speaker 1: That cancel culture is a really good one. If they're 393 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 1: upset about woke CEOs and they think that reflects a 394 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:09,399 Speaker 1: lack of character, they think these CEOs are awful, should 395 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:13,200 Speaker 1: they not then logically extend that to the character of 396 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:18,520 Speaker 1: the CEOs treating other human beings like garbage. Like. If 397 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:20,359 Speaker 1: you think they're going to do it on cultural issues, 398 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:24,440 Speaker 1: what tells you that these are not greedy pharma executives, 399 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:28,639 Speaker 1: that it's not excessive greed beyond what is necessary to 400 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 1: power the free market. If you can make that logical leap, 401 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:36,520 Speaker 1: you can see how economically, they do mean the same 402 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:38,920 Speaker 1: bs because they don't care who they hurt in the process. 403 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 1: Except these are their big donors, and they don't know 404 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 1: who they hurt in the process, right, These are their 405 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:47,360 Speaker 1: donors that the CEOs, the presidents, the CFOs, the executive 406 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 1: vice presidents, the lobbyists that work for them, they're all 407 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:54,479 Speaker 1: their big donors, and so they might believe that, but 408 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 1: they're not going to say it to them. Well, I'm 409 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:58,959 Speaker 1: curious to see the rest of the committee from Democrats 410 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:01,679 Speaker 1: because again, social care and medicare those are you know, 411 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 1: sacri saying Democrats are never going to talk about them, 412 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 1: you know, post twenty eleven and whatever Obama was doing 413 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 1: during that re election campaign when he was flirting with austerity. 414 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 1: But Democrats when you start getting into like really chipping 415 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 1: away at the power of pharma, and if Bernie Sanders 416 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 1: is the chairman of the Help Committee, he probably is 417 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:24,359 Speaker 1: going to push them in some uncomfortable directions too. Looking 418 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 1: forward to it sounds fun to me, Well, live stream it. 419 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:30,640 Speaker 1: We should did that. It would be really fun. We'll 420 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 1: have some popcorn, all right, We'll see you. Then. Bill 421 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 1: Gates was put on the spot again over his relationship 422 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 1: with Jeffrey Epstein, which he has been less than forthcoming 423 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:42,200 Speaker 1: about over the years. You've got to take a look 424 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 1: at this clip. This is Australia's ABC seven thirty host 425 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 1: Sarah Ferguson in an interview on Monday, pressing Gates on 426 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:54,200 Speaker 1: some questions that he's gotten before. But it's always worth 427 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:58,040 Speaker 1: getting his answers to them given the seriousness of the allegations. 428 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:00,600 Speaker 1: It's world. The clip that one of these dogged you 429 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:03,959 Speaker 1: is that of your relationship with Jeffrey Epstein. Do you 430 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:07,840 Speaker 1: regret the relationship that you maintained with him against Melinda's 431 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 1: advice and wishes. Oh, I've said that. I mean, this 432 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 1: is you're going way back in time. But yeah, a 433 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:16,600 Speaker 1: new audience, I will say for the you know, over 434 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:22,159 Speaker 1: one hundred times, Yeah, I shouldn't have had dinners with him. 435 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:25,479 Speaker 1: Epstein had a way of sexually compromising people. Is that 436 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:32,320 Speaker 1: what Melinda was warning you about? No, I mean it's no, 437 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 1: I had dinner with them and that's all, And that 438 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 1: you regret the relationship, the acquaintance that I had dinner 439 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:44,879 Speaker 1: with them and the relationship between the Foundation and Epstein, 440 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 1: which there never was any relationship of any kind. So 441 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 1: that's not true, and he's really trusting the truth to 442 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:53,280 Speaker 1: be able to say there was never any relationship at 443 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:55,879 Speaker 1: any time. A flight log show that he flew to 444 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 1: Palm Beach, despite saying at one point he had never 445 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:01,960 Speaker 1: been to Palm Beach. His excuse was on Epstein's jet. 446 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:04,119 Speaker 1: His excuse was that he didn't know what was Jeffrey 447 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:10,240 Speaker 1: Epstein's jet. Several meetings at the Manhattan Townhouse, the famed 448 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:14,640 Speaker 1: the infamous Manhattan Townhouse took place. Bill Gates was there 449 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:17,359 Speaker 1: for those. So to say there was no relationship is 450 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:19,880 Speaker 1: a complete lie on that question. And you can see 451 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 1: him in that interview. I think one of the reasons 452 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 1: it's valuable, valuable to continue putting him in the spot, 453 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:28,359 Speaker 1: especially in live physical interviews. He's physically squirming. He's trying 454 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:31,960 Speaker 1: to make the interviewer uncomfortable for asking the question. He's like, 455 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 1: I've done it, I've asked it, I've asked it. But 456 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:36,840 Speaker 1: I thought she asked a great question. This was allegedly 457 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 1: one of the reasons Melinda Gates divorced him. This played 458 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:42,919 Speaker 1: a role, she says in their divorce. I don't know 459 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:46,119 Speaker 1: how true that is or whether it was just, you know, 460 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 1: a way to get herself out the hook, off the 461 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:50,200 Speaker 1: hook for having this involvement. But Bill Gates just said 462 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 1: people told him that Epstein was rich, maybe he could 463 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:54,640 Speaker 1: get some money for the Gates Foundation out of him. 464 00:24:55,280 --> 00:25:00,280 Speaker 1: I think what Gates means is that he didn't upon 465 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 1: intended to consummate the relationship between the foundation and the 466 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:06,359 Speaker 1: Gates Foundation. No money changed hands, right so, because there 467 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:09,920 Speaker 1: were meetings and there were discussions and dinners about where 468 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:13,480 Speaker 1: Epstein was saying that. He even said at one point 469 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:17,520 Speaker 1: that he had potentially trillions of dollars of his client's 470 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:20,399 Speaker 1: money that he could put toward a foundation Gates was running. 471 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,240 Speaker 1: That was a red flag for some of Gates's staffers, 472 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:25,639 Speaker 1: who are like, no, you know, you definitely do not 473 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:30,280 Speaker 1: have trillions of dollars like that. That's completely absurd. His 474 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 1: staff also learned that he was a sex criminal. And 475 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:38,280 Speaker 1: what distinguishes Bill Gates' relationship for a couple of years 476 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 1: with Epstein from some of the other people is that 477 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:47,400 Speaker 1: a lot of them met him before he was arrested 478 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:52,960 Speaker 1: basically statutory rape. Some of them continued hanging out with him. 479 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:57,920 Speaker 1: He remained popular in New York after he got out 480 00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 1: of this Florida prison for doing that very short stint 481 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:06,160 Speaker 1: that he did. Gates, however, met him after he got 482 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,680 Speaker 1: out of prison. Yes, which which somehow was just a 483 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 1: level above That is the key part of the story. 484 00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:14,600 Speaker 1: I mean, he knew and his staff was like came 485 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 1: to him. It seems like it said, well, you know 486 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 1: that this guy went to prison for sex crimes. Yeah, 487 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 1: and this is who you're setting us up with to 488 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:28,480 Speaker 1: meet about like merging our foundations. You really think that 489 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:32,880 Speaker 1: would be a good look for us? So and then Epstein, 490 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 1: there's emails where Epstein gets frustrated that Gates is now 491 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:39,920 Speaker 1: ghosting him after a couple of years of them having 492 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 1: met every every now and then at the mansion or 493 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 1: having dinner and so like. Gates said that money didn't 494 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 1: change hands, but it seemed like there had to be 495 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:51,120 Speaker 1: some pressure. I liked the way that the presenter, though, 496 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:54,840 Speaker 1: was pressing him on what was it that Melinda Gates 497 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,880 Speaker 1: was so nervous about, Like why was she warning you 498 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,080 Speaker 1: against him? I just I think that's so key, and 499 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:04,920 Speaker 1: I'm really glad she pushed on that question. Because Bill 500 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:08,880 Speaker 1: Gates is not an idiot. Bill Gates had all of 501 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:12,480 Speaker 1: this evidence. I mean Jeffrey Epstein obviously, you know, the 502 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:14,560 Speaker 1: case didn't completely blow up until it got more and 503 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:18,159 Speaker 1: more national at tension at a later date. But they knew, 504 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:20,920 Speaker 1: they knew he had served the jail time for I 505 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,320 Speaker 1: think it was the charger of soliciting prostitution from a minor. 506 00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 1: They knew he was a registered sex offender. They're probably 507 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,360 Speaker 1: justifying this is the very best case scenario. They're justifying 508 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 1: in their mind, well, hey, you know we can if 509 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 1: we can help the Gates Foundation and the benefactors of 510 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,919 Speaker 1: the Gates Foundation by securing this guy's money. He's probably 511 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:39,760 Speaker 1: not so great, but we can get the money out 512 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,879 Speaker 1: of him, and it's fine. But Bill Gates should know 513 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:46,399 Speaker 1: that Jeffrey Epstein is rumored to have intelligence connections. He 514 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,960 Speaker 1: should know that Gillian Maxwell comes from a family that's 515 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:52,159 Speaker 1: rumored to have intelligence connections. And he should know that 516 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:56,080 Speaker 1: either way, an alleged billionaire who is a registered sex 517 00:27:56,119 --> 00:28:00,280 Speaker 1: offender might be doing something that could harm him, could 518 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,760 Speaker 1: harm his foundation, could harm his businesses, And so to 519 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:07,120 Speaker 1: make multiple trips to fly on the jet it does 520 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:12,600 Speaker 1: not add up whatsoever. Not impressive. Super super worth Following 521 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:14,199 Speaker 1: up on this. If you're a journalist out there who 522 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 1: gets another sit down with Bill Gates, don't let him 523 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,280 Speaker 1: tell you that it's asked un answered. He's been there, 524 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:23,120 Speaker 1: done that, and will obviously continue to follow any updates 525 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 1: on the saga of Bill Gates and Jeffrey Epstein as 526 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 1: they become available. Hi, my name is Spencer Snyder. I 527 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:34,639 Speaker 1: am very excited to be here on Breaking Points because 528 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,199 Speaker 1: I want to talk to you about something that I 529 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:41,360 Speaker 1: think is very important. Now. This is George Santos, But 530 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:43,960 Speaker 1: I am sure you already know all about this guy. 531 00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:46,720 Speaker 1: You know that he never worked at Goldman Sachs. You 532 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,400 Speaker 1: know that he was connected to a Ponzi scheme in Florida. 533 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:51,600 Speaker 1: Not only did he claim to go to a college 534 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,600 Speaker 1: he never attended, he lied about being a star athlete there. 535 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:57,440 Speaker 1: I mean, this is like a George Costanza be story. 536 00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:01,120 Speaker 1: It's all crazy, but as agregious as the lies are, 537 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:03,720 Speaker 1: and as interesting as it's going to be to watch 538 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,520 Speaker 1: the investigations play out, I think there might be a 539 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 1: slightly bigger lesson in all this. And before we get 540 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 1: to the narrative that I think is largely missing, we 541 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:15,280 Speaker 1: have to ask what about our political vetting system is 542 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:18,200 Speaker 1: so broken that it failed to weed out such a 543 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:22,200 Speaker 1: profound liar. Because it's not like people didn't know he 544 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,200 Speaker 1: was a liar before the election, and actually quite a 545 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 1: few people knew something was up. Look. I sat down 546 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,880 Speaker 1: and I had lunch with him three years ago for 547 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:32,560 Speaker 1: about an hour and a half, and I asked a 548 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:37,040 Speaker 1: lot of very detailed and focused questions, and he was 549 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:45,240 Speaker 1: evasive and weirdly ragging and egotistical, and right from the 550 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:48,720 Speaker 1: start it just sat role. Okay, So that's Grant Lally. 551 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:52,120 Speaker 1: He publishes a small paper called The north Shore Leader 552 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,640 Speaker 1: on Long Island. So he was talking about getting a 553 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,480 Speaker 1: bad feeling a few years ago, and we're going to 554 00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 1: come back to him because he represents kind of a 555 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:04,080 Speaker 1: special player in this. But he was not alone. Josh Eisen, 556 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,880 Speaker 1: a small businessman running for Congress in Westchester, met Santos 557 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 1: often on the political club circuit in twenty nineteen and 558 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,720 Speaker 1: twenty twenty, and remember Santo's frequently bragging about his gonzo 559 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:17,000 Speaker 1: fundraising numbers, saying that he was bringing in hundreds of 560 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 1: thousands of dollars. And then I would look in his 561 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,920 Speaker 1: filings and see that it was a four figure quarter. 562 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,920 Speaker 1: Santos is bragging, of course, about funds he was bringing 563 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:28,080 Speaker 1: in for his twenty twenty campaign against Tom Swazi, and 564 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:32,880 Speaker 1: a couple things happened here. First, some people allowed themselves 565 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,440 Speaker 1: to assume that because Santos made it out of a 566 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:39,080 Speaker 1: campaign against Tom Swazi unscathed for the most part, that's 567 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:43,240 Speaker 1: evidence that opposition research didn't turn out much, except Swase 568 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,640 Speaker 1: didn't do much opposition research. And second, it turned out 569 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:50,400 Speaker 1: that Santos was a huge sore loser because one of 570 00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:52,440 Speaker 1: the first things he did was start a fight with 571 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,400 Speaker 1: the chairman of the Nassau County GOP, accusing him of 572 00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:59,240 Speaker 1: sabotaging the election, and then, despite being on track to lose, 573 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:03,440 Speaker 1: he went so the new congressional member orientation in Washington. Anyway, 574 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,080 Speaker 1: he refused to leave the orientation once he officially lost, 575 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:08,720 Speaker 1: and obviously this all made his own staff start questioning 576 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,520 Speaker 1: his sanity, so already he had developed somewhat of a 577 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:15,400 Speaker 1: negative reputation. Fast forward to his second attempt at the seat. 578 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:18,720 Speaker 1: It's twenty twenty one and an aid of Santosi's caught 579 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:23,480 Speaker 1: impersonating Kevin McCarthy's chief of staff. McCarthy apparently knew about this, 580 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:27,240 Speaker 1: but this doesn't stop him from getting his first major 581 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:30,880 Speaker 1: endorsement in August of twenty twenty one for his second campaign. 582 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:34,880 Speaker 1: A Lease Stephonic, one of her aides, even started assisting 583 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:39,719 Speaker 1: with Santos's campaign. Multiple Republican operatives in Washington and New 584 00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:43,840 Speaker 1: York told CNN that they found it implausible that Stephonic 585 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:47,400 Speaker 1: had not been aware of Santos's falsehoods, given rumors about 586 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,280 Speaker 1: Santos had been passed around in GOP circles since at 587 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:53,760 Speaker 1: least the summer of twenty twenty one, So let's put 588 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,920 Speaker 1: her and her team in the probably heard some rumors category. Now. 589 00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,640 Speaker 1: It's around this time that allegedly the first big bells 590 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:03,920 Speaker 1: were right ung and ignored. A former advisor to Santos 591 00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:07,000 Speaker 1: learned about a business he was involved with in Florida, 592 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:11,280 Speaker 1: an alleged Ponzi scheme among other suspicious businesses, so taking 593 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:13,160 Speaker 1: with the rumors he was most likely aware of, the 594 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,640 Speaker 1: advisor said he took the findings to a state party 595 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,840 Speaker 1: official later that fall and tried to pitch the story 596 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:22,200 Speaker 1: to a newspaper, which he said did not pursue it. 597 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:27,080 Speaker 1: A newspaper not pursuing something. Let's remember that. Okay, So 598 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,760 Speaker 1: we're making our way through twenty twenty one, and as 599 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,959 Speaker 1: is common for a campaign to do, they commission a 600 00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:38,240 Speaker 1: vulnerability report. So Affirm Capital Research Group else put together 601 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:42,760 Speaker 1: a report that apparently revealed quite a bit of information. 602 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,120 Speaker 1: It's not out in the public, but it was bad 603 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:49,040 Speaker 1: enough that on December one, twenty twenty one, people working 604 00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,520 Speaker 1: with him called a meeting and their message to him 605 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:55,640 Speaker 1: was basically gameover. Either quietly drop out, or wait until 606 00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:59,320 Speaker 1: all of this information comes out and destroys you. Can 607 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:02,160 Speaker 1: you guess what happened because he came back a few 608 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:06,240 Speaker 1: days later and expressed that he wasn't worried, it was 609 00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:09,760 Speaker 1: going to be fine, and members of his campaign must 610 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:13,840 Speaker 1: have been shocked at his inability to understand what was happening, 611 00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:17,040 Speaker 1: because these aren't just rumors now. People close to him 612 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:20,720 Speaker 1: know things, and according to the people the time spoke with, 613 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,640 Speaker 1: most of his team just quit after that. That's not 614 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,240 Speaker 1: a fun way to enter Christmas. Going into the new 615 00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:30,480 Speaker 1: year twenty twenty two, rumors are circulating, people are warning 616 00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:32,800 Speaker 1: other people, but none of this makes it to the 617 00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:37,040 Speaker 1: press in a meaningful enough way. Dan Constant, a close 618 00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:40,560 Speaker 1: ally of Speaker, Kevin McCarthy, who leads the Congressional Leadership Fund, 619 00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:45,000 Speaker 1: the main House Republican super pac, also confided in lawmakers, donors, 620 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:48,600 Speaker 1: and other associates that he was worried information would come 621 00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:52,560 Speaker 1: out exposing mister Santos as a fraud. According to two 622 00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:56,600 Speaker 1: people with knowledge of the conversations, that Leadership Fund did 623 00:33:56,680 --> 00:34:00,360 Speaker 1: not support Santos's race. But it doesn't sound like Dan 624 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:02,680 Speaker 1: Conston was calling his friends at the Washington Post either, 625 00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:04,960 Speaker 1: So maybe he was waiting for the Democrats to do 626 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,959 Speaker 1: the dirty work or someone else, or Santos would just 627 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:12,000 Speaker 1: implode on his own. Who knows. But in the summer 628 00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:15,200 Speaker 1: of twenty twenty two, the d Triple C puts together 629 00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:19,560 Speaker 1: an eighty seven page book of opposition research. This should 630 00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:23,480 Speaker 1: have uncovered everything. The Republicans will confirm all their suspicions 631 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:25,560 Speaker 1: without having to throw their own under the bus, and 632 00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:29,319 Speaker 1: the Democrats will win the seat as was expected. This 633 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,240 Speaker 1: report was not that it missed a bunch of stuff. 634 00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,279 Speaker 1: It's written at various places in the D Triple C 635 00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:37,920 Speaker 1: report that more research needs to be done. So taken 636 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:41,359 Speaker 1: all together, you have politicians who are suspicious, you have 637 00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:45,120 Speaker 1: donors who are skeptical. You have campaign staff who were 638 00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:48,239 Speaker 1: willing to completely break off from the campaign, and yet 639 00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:52,319 Speaker 1: somehow this didn't really come out until after he won 640 00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:55,680 Speaker 1: the general election. Now, there were other articles that reported 641 00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:58,360 Speaker 1: on Santos. The Daily Beast did some really good work, 642 00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:02,480 Speaker 1: but it was really just one paper, The North Shore Leader, 643 00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:06,279 Speaker 1: that came out before the general to say unequivocally, this 644 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:10,440 Speaker 1: guy is a fake. This person Grant Lally called it 645 00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,800 Speaker 1: years ago. So the question becomes, why did a small 646 00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,399 Speaker 1: local paper get it and pretty much everyone else missed 647 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:21,640 Speaker 1: it well. Santos's opponent, Robert Zimmerman, told The Times his 648 00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:25,120 Speaker 1: campaign tried to prod reporters at local and national news 649 00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:28,319 Speaker 1: outlets with leeds about mister Santos, but had little luck. 650 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:32,200 Speaker 1: The response we got back, pretty universally was they just 651 00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:35,160 Speaker 1: didn't have the personnel, the time, or the money to 652 00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:37,840 Speaker 1: do it. One person said to me, there are sixty 653 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:41,760 Speaker 1: to eighty crazy people running. We can't investigate them all. Okay, 654 00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:46,240 Speaker 1: But why why aren't there more reporters allocated to second 655 00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:49,759 Speaker 1: tier races. Why was most of Santos's staff able to 656 00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:53,520 Speaker 1: quit without being noticed. The answer to all of this 657 00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:58,400 Speaker 1: is very simple. For profit news sucks. And actually the 658 00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,120 Speaker 1: massive coverage of George Sands now that all of his 659 00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:05,200 Speaker 1: secrets are out perfectly explains why there was such scant 660 00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:08,680 Speaker 1: coverage of him before. He was not a proven news 661 00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,759 Speaker 1: item before. If you are relying on AD dollars, and 662 00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:15,400 Speaker 1: viewership equals AD dollars, you and your network are deeply 663 00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:19,640 Speaker 1: concerned with what is captivating and entertaining and who has 664 00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:23,040 Speaker 1: proven themselves as more of an entertaining news item than 665 00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:26,279 Speaker 1: George Santos. Some acknowledge to me that the end of 666 00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:28,359 Speaker 1: our team that factly, it's only a news story if 667 00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:31,200 Speaker 1: he gets elected. He's an epic fraud and we've all 668 00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:34,880 Speaker 1: been given permission to hate him. Consider how much money, 669 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:38,520 Speaker 1: how many salary dollars have been spent on coverage of 670 00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:41,879 Speaker 1: Santos recently? Now, how much of that if you click 671 00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,759 Speaker 1: on CNN or MSNBC, how much of it has been 672 00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:49,279 Speaker 1: completely needless and redundant and you've learned nothing from it. Now, 673 00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:51,440 Speaker 1: that's cable news's thing. Most of the time, they just 674 00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:54,520 Speaker 1: senselessly cover a handful of big ticket items. You can 675 00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:58,120 Speaker 1: really only rely on them to amplify a story. Maybe 676 00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:01,120 Speaker 1: as far as national print goes, The Times obviously did 677 00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:03,279 Speaker 1: some great work after the fact on this story, but 678 00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:07,080 Speaker 1: they too have similar ad pressures, and they have a 679 00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:10,040 Speaker 1: profit directive. And on top of that, it's true they 680 00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:13,080 Speaker 1: don't have infinite reporters to throw at every single lead. 681 00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:17,080 Speaker 1: But for what we're talking about, there's a bigger issue. 682 00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:19,719 Speaker 1: This is a map that shows all the counties in 683 00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:23,680 Speaker 1: the US and how many newspapers they have. The areas 684 00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:26,759 Speaker 1: in yellow have one newspaper and the areas in red 685 00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:30,120 Speaker 1: have none. And keep in mind this doesn't indicate the 686 00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:33,040 Speaker 1: budgets of the papers. The reason The North Shore Leader 687 00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:35,640 Speaker 1: was special in its reporting on Santos is because they're 688 00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:39,320 Speaker 1: plugged into the community and the political scene. Of course 689 00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:43,200 Speaker 1: they beat the national outlets. That's their function. This is 690 00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:46,560 Speaker 1: why local papers are important, but they do have limited resources. 691 00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,040 Speaker 1: But we're a small weekly newspaper. We have a dozen 692 00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:53,600 Speaker 1: part time reporters, some who do investigative work. Some are 693 00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:56,560 Speaker 1: actually high school kids, so part of their staff are 694 00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,160 Speaker 1: high schoolers who probably can't do investigative work past eight 695 00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,640 Speaker 1: thirty on a school night. Now you look at these 696 00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:06,080 Speaker 1: areas and read they don't even have that. So there's 697 00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:09,560 Speaker 1: this thing called coverage density and it's basically the ratio 698 00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:12,680 Speaker 1: of people in a given area to reporters in that area, 699 00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:17,000 Speaker 1: and in the last twenty years, coverage density is way down. 700 00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:20,120 Speaker 1: On average, For every hundred million dollars spent by state 701 00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:24,480 Speaker 1: and local governments one hundred million dollars, there's only one 702 00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:27,840 Speaker 1: reporter scrutinizing it. And there are a few factors you 703 00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:31,239 Speaker 1: can look to for why. One is that papers have 704 00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:34,399 Speaker 1: been really hurting by the sharp drop off in advertising 705 00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:39,399 Speaker 1: and classified but another is that hedge funds own half 706 00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:42,279 Speaker 1: the newspapers in this country, the most notorious of which 707 00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,560 Speaker 1: is probably all in Global Capital. Basically, if they buy 708 00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,400 Speaker 1: your newspaper, it's time to get your resume together, because 709 00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:53,120 Speaker 1: they are known for gutting newspapers. In another video on 710 00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:55,360 Speaker 1: my channel, I touched on a particular story of a 711 00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:58,480 Speaker 1: paper that had about a dozen people on staff when 712 00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:01,840 Speaker 1: they were acquired by Alden. Their newsroom was destroyed and 713 00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:05,560 Speaker 1: ended up being cut down to just one reporter who 714 00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:10,160 Speaker 1: was responsible for covering every aspect of their community. So 715 00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:13,800 Speaker 1: when a George Santos emerges in one of these red areas, 716 00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:17,879 Speaker 1: what happens after every politician who encounters him says that 717 00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:21,439 Speaker 1: they knew something was crooked, but ultimately thought someone else 718 00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:23,759 Speaker 1: would take care of the taxing work of exposing him, 719 00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:26,799 Speaker 1: or they go to their local paper and there's only 720 00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:32,200 Speaker 1: one reporter working there. Well, unfortunately, one possibility is that 721 00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:37,480 Speaker 1: that crooked person goes to Congress. So for me, that's 722 00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:40,640 Speaker 1: the big picture takeaway, because yes, George Santos is a 723 00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:44,040 Speaker 1: fraud and a liar, and everything surrounding a story is 724 00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:48,920 Speaker 1: crazy and worth examining. For sure. However, he will ultimately 725 00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:51,680 Speaker 1: leave Congress. He might not even make it to the 726 00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,680 Speaker 1: end of this term. But he was allowed to rise 727 00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,719 Speaker 1: because everyone either thought that someone else would take care 728 00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:00,680 Speaker 1: of the dirty work, or they went to the press 729 00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:02,880 Speaker 1: only to learn that there wasn't actually enough press to 730 00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,919 Speaker 1: go around. Eventually there was, but it was too late. 731 00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:10,279 Speaker 1: He's already in Washington making decisions, so the only thing 732 00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:13,440 Speaker 1: that's left is whether or not the next George Santos 733 00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:17,120 Speaker 1: also benefits from a journalistic landscape that doesn't have the time, 734 00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:22,840 Speaker 1: or the resources or the interest, And unfortunately that's entirely possible. 735 00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:26,600 Speaker 1: But that will do it for me. I'm Spencer Snyder. 736 00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:28,960 Speaker 1: If you found this video interesting, you can check out 737 00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:31,560 Speaker 1: my YouTube channel where I talk about the media and 738 00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:35,879 Speaker 1: politics and other interesting things. Linking the description obviously make 739 00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:39,080 Speaker 1: sure you are subscribed to Breaking Points. 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