WEBVTT - Happy Gadget Season To All Who Celebrate! 

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<v Speaker 1>From Kaleidoscope and iHeart Podcasts. This is tech stuff. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>as Valoshian and I'm Cara Price, and you may be

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<v Speaker 1>able to tell from both of our nasal voices that

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<v Speaker 1>it's the holiday season. It's that time of year, and

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<v Speaker 1>we bring you a special holiday episode.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, we are bringing you a rundown of the

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<v Speaker 2>best tech gifts to give all the people in your life,

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<v Speaker 2>from your in laws to your frenemy.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to hear what The New Yorker's Internet Culture

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<v Speaker 1>columnist Kyle Chaker recommends.

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<v Speaker 2>And I will be reviewing the present I gave to

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<v Speaker 2>myself this holiday season, the Meta ray band glasses.

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<v Speaker 1>All of that on the Weekend Tech. It's Friday, December nineteenth.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello Cara, Hi ass, How are you other than a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit nasal?

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<v Speaker 1>A little bit nasal, but otherwise very excited for the

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<v Speaker 1>time of year. Love holidays.

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<v Speaker 2>I love the holidays. Ding ding ding ding. I'm curious

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<v Speaker 2>when you gear up to go gift shopping, do you

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<v Speaker 2>look at gift guides for inspiration or do you just

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<v Speaker 2>like go for it.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I don't have kids, so I have three

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<v Speaker 1>people to whom I gift Both of my parents who

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<v Speaker 1>I give wine, Yes, and my wife would I give

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<v Speaker 1>whatever she asked for what I had surprise gifts. But

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<v Speaker 1>then I was like, you know what, You're always going

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<v Speaker 1>to like the thing more if you've chosen it, so

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<v Speaker 1>let's just do that.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm not a huge gift guy.

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<v Speaker 2>I like you.

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<v Speaker 1>But on the other hand, I like gift guys because

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<v Speaker 1>I like to know what's up.

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<v Speaker 2>I also like to know what other people are interested,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what. And I think that like.

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<v Speaker 1>There is a good distillation of the culture.

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<v Speaker 2>I think, absolutely it's a distillation of the culture, and

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's sort of a nice year in review.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely. Have you heard of something called The Next Playground? No?

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<v Speaker 2>I have not.

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<v Speaker 1>I hadn't either, but it took the number one spot

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<v Speaker 1>for Amazon's Toys and Games category on Black Friday. My god,

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<v Speaker 1>I've basically been out of stock since then because there's

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<v Speaker 1>so much demand for it.

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<v Speaker 2>And what is it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a console. It's a gaming console but with no controllers.

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<v Speaker 1>So it basically looks like a Rubik's cube that lives

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<v Speaker 1>under your TV, and it has a camera and the

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<v Speaker 1>camera basically watches you and it connects to the TV.

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<v Speaker 1>So the TV becomes a game screen and you're playing

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<v Speaker 1>in augmented reality. You're basically moving shapes.

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<v Speaker 2>Family AR.

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<v Speaker 1>It's family AR, and kids are absolutely obsessed and they're

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<v Speaker 1>dancing around in front of the TV, moving shapes on

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<v Speaker 1>the screen. And parents love it because feel slightly less

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<v Speaker 1>guilty watching their kids interactive TV than they do just

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<v Speaker 1>locked into the phone.

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<v Speaker 2>That actually does appeal to me, because my obviously devisive

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<v Speaker 2>choice is a phone, which makes me completely Sedentaryah.

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<v Speaker 1>Imagine all the fun of your phone on a big screen.

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<v Speaker 2>That's amazing. That's amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>It actually began the company next as Believe it or not,

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<v Speaker 1>an AI powered tool to analyze and improve basketball shot maker.

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<v Speaker 2>I always love those stories where it started as one

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<v Speaker 2>thing and ended up being something else.

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<v Speaker 1>It turns out that there wasn't enough demand for kids

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<v Speaker 1>to true optimized their boss care.

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<v Speaker 2>They weren't good enough kids.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they weren't enough good kids. So they pivoted a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of times and ended up building the hottest console

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<v Speaker 1>in America. It's marketed exclusively at families with young children,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's much cheaper than mainstream consoles. Two hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>forty nine dollars to buy it. And then of course

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<v Speaker 1>Daniel subscription of eighty nine dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>But still, I mean that's for the entire family. Fun.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's amazing. The pictures of the pictures of I

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<v Speaker 1>mean it really it looks it looks fun. It looks

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<v Speaker 1>like an engage.

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<v Speaker 2>You buy this for someone.

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<v Speaker 1>If I had kids, I would definitely buy it.

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<v Speaker 2>It sounds really fun. Well, I got myself a little

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<v Speaker 2>tech item this year.

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<v Speaker 3>You did.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that I've been kind of coveting and I've been

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<v Speaker 2>covering it. One because I look so good in glasses,

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<v Speaker 2>and two because fortunately or unfortunately, I am a meta

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<v Speaker 2>super user. I'm on Instagram constantly, I'm on my phone constantly,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was curious about wearing my camera in my glasses.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the meta raybend glass.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the meta ray band.

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<v Speaker 1>You're wearing glasses right now.

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<v Speaker 2>These these they these are not there. These are not there,

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm going to take them off and I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to give you my honest review. Mike is looking at us,

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<v Speaker 2>our producer, He's like, okay, look good. Well they're ray bands.

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<v Speaker 2>They're ray band wayfarers.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's no hint from where I'm sitting that you

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<v Speaker 1>are a cybi right now, just like no one lost.

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<v Speaker 2>I just want to be clear, and this might be

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<v Speaker 2>a little less exciting. I do not have the ray

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<v Speaker 2>band metaglasses that have ar filter in the eye. There

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<v Speaker 2>are ray band glasses where you're putting it on and

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<v Speaker 2>it's literally telling you, like where you're going in the world.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is simply a camera in my glasses. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>here are the features that it has. You can basically

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<v Speaker 2>not be on your phone and take like incredibly high

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<v Speaker 2>quality video and pictures of anything that I'm looking at

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<v Speaker 2>in the room, Like right now, just took a picture

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<v Speaker 2>of you. Wow, literally and.

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<v Speaker 1>It went, yeah, yeah, that's wound me.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess the previously I'm going to take a picture

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<v Speaker 2>of you. There we go. What I'm doing here is

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just pressing a button on my frames.

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<v Speaker 1>And both a noise and light witch flashes.

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<v Speaker 2>Like right now, I'm taking a video of you, and

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<v Speaker 2>you can sort of see it. It's a long hold yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and the light flash light flashing, and then I let

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<v Speaker 2>go and it stops. Now what I could do is

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<v Speaker 2>that I could take that photo of you and type

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<v Speaker 2>in a prompt to Meta AI, which is the software

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<v Speaker 2>that goes along with these glasses.

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<v Speaker 1>So you have an app which is attached to the glasses.

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<v Speaker 2>That's correct, that's where the pictures go. So I can

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<v Speaker 2>say in the app, make oz dance around the studio

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<v Speaker 2>with the photo that I just created, and lo and

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<v Speaker 2>behold Meta AI, much like Sora, will create a video

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<v Speaker 2>of you dancing around the studio and it's a very

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<v Speaker 2>hyper realistic AI rendering of you dancing. The thing that

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<v Speaker 2>I want to try here is such a cool feature

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<v Speaker 2>that I just tried very recently, which is the AI

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<v Speaker 2>translation feature. You speak German a little bit, so right now,

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<v Speaker 2>what I can do with these glasses is as I'm

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<v Speaker 2>wearing them, basically what's gonna happen is You're going to

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<v Speaker 2>say something to me in German, and my headphones which

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<v Speaker 2>are in this these glasses, are going to read them

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<v Speaker 2>back to me in English.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, Hello Libakara, as Futek there does send here so

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<v Speaker 1>samon houter.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello dear Kara. I am very pleased that we are

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<v Speaker 2>here together today.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I said.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's crazy. Come on, that's incredible, and it

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<v Speaker 2>set it into my ears.

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<v Speaker 1>That is unbelievable. One more time, h Ishbinambisi and.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a little sick today, and I'm a little sick today,

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<v Speaker 2>and so are you. That's like the un that's pretty cool.

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<v Speaker 2>You have to say, I have to be honest, and

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<v Speaker 2>I am like, obviously the opposite of a technoskeptic. I

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<v Speaker 2>found like I embrace this technology so wholeheartedly. But you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's funny. Before this, I'm not going to go off

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<v Speaker 2>on too much of a tangent, but before this, I

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<v Speaker 2>was talking to one of the wonderful iHeart producers, Katrina Norvell,

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<v Speaker 2>and she was very much like, you know, it's just

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<v Speaker 2>meta co opting your time, just meta co opting your time.

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<v Speaker 2>And I said, you know what.

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<v Speaker 1>It's fun. It's really fun.

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<v Speaker 2>It's really fun to surprise and delight my mother with

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<v Speaker 2>a photo of her sitting in a chair and saying,

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<v Speaker 2>please make my mom sing and dance to me in Spanish,

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<v Speaker 2>and it.

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<v Speaker 1>Does that with a photo that's as similar to the

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<v Speaker 1>next cube. It's like, yeah, this kind of ability to

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<v Speaker 1>sort of manipulate your reality live in a way which

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<v Speaker 1>also allows you to engage other people. It just is fun.

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<v Speaker 1>It is. I do have a more serious question, please,

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<v Speaker 1>why did you give them to yourself and not to me.

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<v Speaker 2>Because I want them fair enough. I wear them all

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<v Speaker 2>around town. I just also think it's fun, you know what,

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<v Speaker 2>for someone like me who is constantly taking out my

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<v Speaker 2>phone as like a reflex. This is really for people

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<v Speaker 2>who are trying to take photos and take video and

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<v Speaker 2>not be on their phone now of course.

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<v Speaker 1>But do you actually use them in real life yet?

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<v Speaker 2>No, not really. They're still a kind of gag for me,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think they will remain as such.

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<v Speaker 1>But if you had kids, if I had kids, if

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<v Speaker 1>you have kids, the mission of your life is.

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<v Speaker 2>Interesting though, that like technology kind of or having a

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<v Speaker 2>child brings you around to a technology that you're kind

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<v Speaker 2>of left out of if you don't have children, Like

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<v Speaker 2>I would never buy the next Cube for myself. I'd

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<v Speaker 2>be dancing around my apartment alone. It'd be very weird.

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<v Speaker 2>It'd be very weird. So I would buy you these.

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<v Speaker 2>I think. I don't think this is something that your

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<v Speaker 2>wife wants.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't. I don't think so. But I mean I

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<v Speaker 1>just in general, and if you bring a presence to

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<v Speaker 1>the studio for yourself, I think it'd be you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it'd be nice for me as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry, I had an orange juice from press juice. Sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>if you want that, that can't really do anything for you.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I forgive you because I know you brought me

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<v Speaker 1>another gift, which is the gift of a conversation with

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<v Speaker 1>Kyle Chaca.

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<v Speaker 2>I did. I did. I'm very excited to tell you

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<v Speaker 2>about a gift guide that really piqued my interest, which

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<v Speaker 2>was written by the one Kyle Chaka. He is a

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<v Speaker 2>staff writer at The New Yorker. He writes about tech

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<v Speaker 2>and Internet culture in a column called Infinite Scroll name

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<v Speaker 2>by the way, it's a great name. And he also

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<v Speaker 2>wrote a book that has a great name, which is

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<v Speaker 2>called Filter World, How Algorithms Flattened Culture. Today, I'm bringing

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<v Speaker 2>you this interview with him because he wrote to me

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<v Speaker 2>the best gift guide on the Internet, Wow, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>focused on the newest, strangest gadgets and apps.

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<v Speaker 1>I actually read the list too, and I thought it

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<v Speaker 1>was great. And what I thought was very interesting about

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<v Speaker 1>it was not just the individual products that he featured,

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<v Speaker 1>but this kind of frame that he had, which is,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a crazy moment happening where chips and screens and

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<v Speaker 1>other component parts have never been cheaper, and so basically,

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<v Speaker 1>whatever you can dream, you can manufacture in China in

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<v Speaker 1>thirtys It turns out a human sized robot servant, which

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<v Speaker 1>I was hoping you brings to.

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<v Speaker 2>This that I was gonna say, I should have actually

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<v Speaker 2>bought you the twenty thousand dollars Neo Home robot, which

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<v Speaker 2>he actually didn't endorse because I think it's only available

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<v Speaker 2>for pre order. As I said, it's twenty thousand dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's a great example of the types of things

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<v Speaker 2>that Kyle is marveling at right now, the surrealist phase

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<v Speaker 2>personal technology, where sort of anything you can dream of

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<v Speaker 2>you can build. This is exactly what inspired Kyle to

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<v Speaker 2>write this gift guide, So I'll just let Kyle take

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<v Speaker 2>it away.

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<v Speaker 4>My criteria for this was funny tech kind of It's like,

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<v Speaker 4>not the optimized gadget. It's not the latest or release

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<v Speaker 4>or the most powerful thing. It's like that thing that

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<v Speaker 4>you don't know exists, and when you buy it, you're like, Wow,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm so happy that that some factory in China has

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<v Speaker 4>melded these tech gadgets together. And that's how you get

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<v Speaker 4>the swipe touch screen vape that gives you social I'm

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<v Speaker 4>obsessed with the Swipe.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm obsessed with the swipe and doesn't have weather.

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<v Speaker 3>It has weather, it has Spotify.

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<v Speaker 2>When you're vaping outside, you need to know what the

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<v Speaker 2>weather is.

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<v Speaker 3>It's also not that expensive, no fifteen dollars.

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<v Speaker 4>It just made me think that maybe you can put

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<v Speaker 4>a touch screen on anything, like.

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<v Speaker 2>An he likes to put a touch screen on this

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<v Speaker 2>cup of coffee.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah exactly, you can.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I could run ads on it would be

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<v Speaker 2>like Taxi TV.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, ads on your coffee cup. Feels like a twenty

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<v Speaker 4>twenty five innovation.

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<v Speaker 2>This might have just created something.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah exactly, But I think like the swipe vape and

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<v Speaker 4>this Noasuma mini projector that I bought for fifty dollars

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<v Speaker 4>for like a rental house weekend, that those are the

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<v Speaker 4>patron saints.

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<v Speaker 2>And were you a king for that projector?

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<v Speaker 4>Like yeah, yeah, it worked amazingly. Yeah, and the projector

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<v Speaker 4>runs Netflix itself.

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<v Speaker 2>It's incredible.

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<v Speaker 4>It blew my mind and I was like, wow, this

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<v Speaker 4>is this is now banal like technology that I would

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<v Speaker 4>have found miraculous as like a twelve year old, let

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<v Speaker 4>alone like a thirty year old now exists and is

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<v Speaker 4>delivered to me for fifty dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>That is incredible.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, This was also the appeal of doing this gift guide.

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<v Speaker 4>Like the gadget is a really fun category, right, and

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<v Speaker 4>like the gadget is the fun version of technology. And

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<v Speaker 4>I feel like we no longer have fun on our

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<v Speaker 4>phones or our laptops, so we need other devices to.

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<v Speaker 2>To actually have fun with. I really liked the books

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<v Speaker 2>the books m I actually run like a big Instagram

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<v Speaker 2>book club, and I'm a big reader, and I was

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<v Speaker 2>just curious if you could talk a little bit about

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<v Speaker 2>the books.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, the books. I actually don't know if it's books

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<v Speaker 4>or books. I would assume because it is a good

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<v Speaker 4>reading device. But it's kind of like an iPhone sized

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<v Speaker 4>or a smartphone sized e ink screen that can run

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of apps. It can be a kind of

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<v Speaker 4>replacement phone, but it's also just like a nicer reading

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<v Speaker 4>device that fits in your pocket. So instead of you know,

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<v Speaker 4>scrolling through TikTok or loading the New York Times games

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<v Speaker 4>or whatever, you can read e inc and save your

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<v Speaker 4>eyes and your brain.

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<v Speaker 2>Kyle, can you remind me what e inc is.

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<v Speaker 4>E inc is a physical screen with physical pixels in it,

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<v Speaker 4>So instead of like a digital screen lighting up with

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<v Speaker 4>different colors, an e ink screen is made of little

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<v Speaker 4>physical gold bits that switch from white to black or

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<v Speaker 4>different colors as the case may be now, and like

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<v Speaker 4>e ink is another one of those things that has

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<v Speaker 4>advanced hugely in recent years, and we just don't you

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<v Speaker 4>don't necessarily know, Like if you're not keeping up with

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<v Speaker 4>these weird new gadgets, you don't know that there is

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<v Speaker 4>better e inc out there.

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<v Speaker 3>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>You're not keeping tabs on the e ink space.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah you are, though, I am, because it's very interesting.

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<v Speaker 4>Like this other device I listed, the Daylight, It's like

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<v Speaker 4>a very colorful, very smooth, high refresh rate e ink tablet,

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<v Speaker 4>and it's just so interesting, Like that's I didn't know

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<v Speaker 4>that that existed and now it does.

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<v Speaker 2>I also saw that you recommended my favorite worst advertised

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<v Speaker 2>AI device, the friend Penn.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, yes, that was I recommended it to give to

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<v Speaker 4>your enemy or your frenemy. So maybe it's a passive

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<v Speaker 4>aggressive gift.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>I feel like if you're giving someone an AI companion,

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<v Speaker 4>you're kind of implying something negative about them, like maybe

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<v Speaker 4>they could use it. Well, here's here's an idea. Maybe

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<v Speaker 4>instead of giving someone an AI chatbot, you can just

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<v Speaker 4>text them a lot like, yeah, you could see the chatbot.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a similar thing. Yeah, and also if you give

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<v Speaker 2>sycophantic advice, then you're definitely chat gybt. But what is

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<v Speaker 2>the friend exactly?

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<v Speaker 3>It's this little pendant.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a kind of like rounded thing that hangs on

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<v Speaker 4>a necklace around your neck, and it listens to your conversations,

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<v Speaker 4>It listens to your surroundings, and it texts your phone.

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<v Speaker 4>So this the AI independant, listens to everything, translates it

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<v Speaker 4>into language, understands it in whatever way it's capable of,

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<v Speaker 4>and then kind of commentates on your life. But as

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<v Speaker 4>people who have tested it found out, it's actually very

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<v Speaker 4>mean to you.

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<v Speaker 3>Like it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not a nice chatbot.

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<v Speaker 4>No, it's not a nice chatbot, So it'll kind of

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<v Speaker 4>mock you for what you do every day.

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<v Speaker 2>That's something that I kind of want to get someone.

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<v Speaker 2>Then if it was mean, that would not would be

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<v Speaker 2>like that wasn't my problem. I didn't really check it out.

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<v Speaker 2>I just thought the idea was cool.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it is the kind of thing that you want

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<v Speaker 4>to play with and try out but not have to

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<v Speaker 4>pay for.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe that's that's why you would give it as a gift.

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<v Speaker 2>So I just got Meta ray bands, and I have

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<v Speaker 2>to say I went into it being very skeptical, I think,

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<v Speaker 2>because I was like, why do I want Instagram in

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<v Speaker 2>my glasses? And I have to say that, like, I

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<v Speaker 2>actually found them to be a lot cooler than I

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<v Speaker 2>thought I would.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, it seems like the inevitable future, Like I

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<v Speaker 4>think we are tired of our phones, and VR seems

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<v Speaker 4>like a dead end to me. I mean, Meta has

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<v Speaker 4>already disinvested from the metaverse, so I think the only

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<v Speaker 4>answer is to put digital information over your view of

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<v Speaker 4>the real world and the way that we already basically

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<v Speaker 4>do by like staring at our phones we walk around.

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<v Speaker 4>So it does seem a little inevitable, and I expect

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<v Speaker 4>that in a year or two will be much farther

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<v Speaker 4>along that path. The translation features seem really wild to me,

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<v Speaker 4>like the real time translation.

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<v Speaker 2>That even the music in the ear is very cool,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's like, so, I mean people always have air pods,

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<v Speaker 2>like this is nothing new. There's just something interesting about

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<v Speaker 2>music coming out of your actual glasses.

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<v Speaker 4>And that's like, I feel like that's what makes a

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<v Speaker 4>great new gadget. It's like a thing that you didn't

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<v Speaker 4>think was possible in this little physical form, and that's

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<v Speaker 4>what the iPhone was. But it hasn't been that for

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<v Speaker 4>like a decade.

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<v Speaker 2>To think of the iPhone as a gadget and not

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<v Speaker 2>a necessity, it's not as a sort of necessary appendage

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<v Speaker 2>of life is so like to I mean, originally it's like, ooh,

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<v Speaker 2>look at this gadget I have. Now it's like, if

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<v Speaker 2>you don't have the gadget, you don't participate in modern society.

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<v Speaker 3>You are not alive.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually literally budget it's so crazy.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so that's why we like funnier gadgets or goofier gadgets.

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<v Speaker 2>After the break, Kyle and I discussed the best anti

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<v Speaker 2>tech technology for all the Luddites in your life Stay

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<v Speaker 2>with us. You have a section in the guide about

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<v Speaker 2>streaming services. For someone who has so many streaming services,

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<v Speaker 2>I actually never considered giving a streaming service as a

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<v Speaker 2>gift because it's a recurring it's kind of a recurring cost, which.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, you're putting someone on the hook a little bit,

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<v Speaker 4>but you're also like subsidizing it for them.

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<v Speaker 2>But so you said that, just I wanted to quote

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<v Speaker 2>something that you said, and the piece that giving someone

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<v Speaker 2>a subscription to a new streaming service is a little

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<v Speaker 2>like buying them a membership to an art museum. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a hint that their cultural consumption habits could stand a

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<v Speaker 2>little improvement. Does your judgment of other people's taste and

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<v Speaker 2>form your gift giving? Would you say?

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<v Speaker 3>I think so?

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<v Speaker 4>But in a positive way, like like I don't want

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<v Speaker 4>to give someone something that they are not going to like, right, right,

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<v Speaker 4>But it's just like not in their zone. Like I

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<v Speaker 4>wouldn't give a membership to an art museum to someone

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<v Speaker 4>who I knew did not like art. Yeah, you have

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<v Speaker 4>to know what you're getting into. Like some people are

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<v Speaker 4>crunchy Roll people for anime, some people are BritBox people

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<v Speaker 4>for detective series.

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<v Speaker 2>First of all, have you given a streaming service as

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<v Speaker 2>a gift?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes?

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<v Speaker 4>So my wife and I gave her parents, my in laws,

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<v Speaker 4>a Criteria subscription for a year.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a bold gift.

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<v Speaker 3>It is.

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<v Speaker 4>But they watch a lot of streaming television, so they're

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<v Speaker 4>they're always running out of movies.

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<v Speaker 2>And you're like, here's some movies that you may not like.

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<v Speaker 2>As older parents of my wife, I try.

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<v Speaker 4>I respect their taste though, Like they're my mother in

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<v Speaker 4>law took a class on Hitchcock films recently, so it's

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<v Speaker 4>like a kind of it's aspirational but not out of

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<v Speaker 4>the range.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's say, what was their reaction being given an intangible gift.

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<v Speaker 3>I think they liked it.

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<v Speaker 2>They were like this email log in.

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<v Speaker 3>Well we did.

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<v Speaker 4>We added it to their television while we were there.

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<v Speaker 4>But I think I don't know intangible gifts. I kind

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<v Speaker 4>of grew up with that a little bit. It's kind

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<v Speaker 4>of like, you know, an IOU or like you're gonna

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<v Speaker 4>get whatever bike you want or something like that. So

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<v Speaker 4>in a way, I feel like it fits.

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<v Speaker 2>The IOU, though, is like the least sincere gift to me?

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<v Speaker 3>I do I agree with that?

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<v Speaker 2>What is your favorite streaming service? Just out of curiosity?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh man, I really like a Doggio, which I also

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<v Speaker 4>put in the in the gift guide. It's a classical

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<v Speaker 4>music streaming service and I don't know anything for music. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>it like makes it easy to navigate, and I mean

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<v Speaker 4>now on Spotify it is so awash with AI garbage.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like I can't I can't navigate it. And at

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<v Speaker 4>least on a Dodgio, you know that these are all

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<v Speaker 4>humans like.

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<v Speaker 2>Playing classical music. Yeah, totally.

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<v Speaker 4>You're in no doubt whatsoever that this is a real

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<v Speaker 4>thing from real people, which nowadays is kind of a

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<v Speaker 4>scarce commodity.

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<v Speaker 2>That's cool.

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<v Speaker 4>Nugs you could also get for a very specific friend,

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<v Speaker 4>And I think it came out of Phish concert.

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<v Speaker 2>Tapes originally interesting.

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<v Speaker 4>And so it's like a jam band's live performance streaming service,

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<v Speaker 4>slash archive Nugs, nugs, nugs dot.

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<v Speaker 2>Net as it has to be.

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<v Speaker 3>At it's definitely a dot net.

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<v Speaker 2>I was really taken by your anti technology technology section,

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<v Speaker 2>and like on the show this year, we talked a

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<v Speaker 2>lot about, you know, how important it is to decrease

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<v Speaker 2>your screen time and how like unplugging is actually this

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<v Speaker 2>luxury now like it's almost like things that help you

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<v Speaker 2>unplug our luxury goods.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, that's totally true.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I was curious, like, when you were putting

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<v Speaker 2>this together, what made you decide to make this a section?

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<v Speaker 4>Honestly my own experience, Like, I think this year has

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<v Speaker 4>been a year of anti technology tech for me as

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<v Speaker 4>I've tried to find ways to get off of screens

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<v Speaker 4>more often. Yeah, and some have really worked for me,

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<v Speaker 4>And so I kind of thought, what is the more

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<v Speaker 4>expanded sense of anti tech technology.

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<v Speaker 2>You mentioned Brick.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Brick is really popular.

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<v Speaker 2>Have you used Brick?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And can you give me a quick description of

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<v Speaker 2>how brick actually works.

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<v Speaker 4>You set it up on your phone. In the app,

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<v Speaker 4>you select which apps you want to block for yourself,

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<v Speaker 4>and then you activate the blocked apps by tapping the

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<v Speaker 4>Brick that you have in your house. And so once

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<v Speaker 4>you tap it, it's locked, you tap it again, it's unlocked.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you use Brick?

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<v Speaker 4>I use Opal, the Opal app, which just like blocks

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<v Speaker 4>apps on your phone and has this kind of interface

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<v Speaker 4>for getting you off social media during the workday, for example.

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<v Speaker 4>Like I found that that really worked for me and

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<v Speaker 4>I could contain it within my phone. But you know,

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<v Speaker 4>brick for the for the real addicts or the person

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<v Speaker 4>who locks their phone in one of those clear lock

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<v Speaker 4>boxes on a timer, Brick would probably be really good.

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<v Speaker 2>You also put a digital camera. Can you talk a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit about that, the FUJIFILM slash half.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, there's been a whole rash of digital cameras lately

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<v Speaker 4>that mimic film and.

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<v Speaker 2>Kids are using them like the kids are using them

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<v Speaker 2>like crazy.

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<v Speaker 4>Huge trends. There's a huge expanded market for quote unquote

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<v Speaker 4>vintage digital cameras, which were just like the avant garde

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<v Speaker 4>things that I played with as a kid in the

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<v Speaker 4>early two thousands. But the Fujifilm has been really on

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<v Speaker 4>this trend, and they have these cameras that mimic film

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<v Speaker 4>formats and film aesthetics, and they also look like film cameras.

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<v Speaker 2>And you like, you like the Fujifilm one.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, yeah, they're really great.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you find that people like interacting with you? They're

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<v Speaker 2>just like, on a personal basis or on a reader basis,

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<v Speaker 2>are like, please give me more analog.

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<v Speaker 3>Mm hmm. For sure.

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<v Speaker 4>They want analog experiences. They want irl stuff, They want

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<v Speaker 4>buttons and switches and not just touch screens.

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<v Speaker 3>So I think there's a big urge toward that.

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<v Speaker 2>Isn't that so interesting?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 4>I mean I think we're all sick of screens and

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<v Speaker 4>fictionless digital interaction, and we realize how bad it is

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<v Speaker 4>for us and how bad it is for the world

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<v Speaker 4>at large.

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<v Speaker 2>So part of the interest in analog is like, actually

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<v Speaker 2>in creating a more friction filled experience for the user.

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<v Speaker 4>I think, so slowing down, making it a little harder

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<v Speaker 4>to do things or more complicated to do things, and

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<v Speaker 4>that slowing down forces you to think about the act

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<v Speaker 4>more well.

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<v Speaker 2>I just have one question about books. Do you, as

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<v Speaker 2>a writer like to give out book recommendations?

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<v Speaker 3>I do. I really like to give books as gifts.

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<v Speaker 2>Books being the ultimate analog object.

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<v Speaker 4>And a great representation or fulfillment of taste, because you

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<v Speaker 4>are saying, I know this book is good, and I

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<v Speaker 4>think it will work for you from your personality and worldview.

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<v Speaker 4>So the right book gift communicates a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>Was there any book that you would be giving out

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<v Speaker 2>this year other than your own?

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<v Speaker 4>I have given this one book a lot, which is

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<v Speaker 4>in praise of Shadows by Geni Trio Tanazaki, and it's

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<v Speaker 4>this Japanese novelist who wrote an essay in nineteen thirty

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<v Speaker 4>four I want to say about what it was like

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<v Speaker 4>when Tokyo started adding electric lights and how electricity and

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<v Speaker 4>trains and industrialization changed the culture of Japan from his

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<v Speaker 4>own personal perspective, and I just feel like it's this

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<v Speaker 4>tiny book, it's really beautiful, makes a perfect object gift.

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<v Speaker 4>So I've given out probably a dozen copies of that

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<v Speaker 4>over the years.

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<v Speaker 2>That sounds like a very good gift. Is there any

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<v Speaker 2>gadget that I left out that you were like, this

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<v Speaker 2>is I was so excited to put this on the list.

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<v Speaker 3>I think this whole range of.

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<v Speaker 4>Semi illegal emulator video games where you like buy a

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<v Speaker 4>little fake game Boy, but all of a sudden it

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<v Speaker 4>has like ten different consoles and a thousand games on

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<v Speaker 4>it for like one hundred dollars or less.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that that's kind of you know.

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<v Speaker 4>Twelve year old me would have freaked out so mind

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<v Speaker 4>blown by yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, the retrosnap Play or

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<v Speaker 4>the Amber Nick RG forty XXV. The other thing I

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<v Speaker 4>liked about doing this guide was that the names are

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<v Speaker 4>so random and crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>They're crazy, That's what that was my favorite thing about

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<v Speaker 2>reading it. It seemed like a McSweeney's article, I'll be honest, but.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like it's all the same phenomenon. I think because

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<v Speaker 4>like these gadgets have these spammy names because now it's

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<v Speaker 4>just like a thing you click on on Amazon right, Like,

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<v Speaker 4>it doesn't the brand name doesn't matter, the maker doesn't.

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<v Speaker 2>Matter, fifty care. It's like a fifty word title of

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<v Speaker 2>a Yeah, the thing that you're buying.

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<v Speaker 4>Everything should be named by SEO. It just fifteen inch

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<v Speaker 4>eat ink screen high battery power, loaded with one thousand games,

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<v Speaker 4>color purple, shiny devices like I think, I think that's

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<v Speaker 4>the epitome of naming. Actually it should just be literal

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<v Speaker 4>and a string of twenty words.

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<v Speaker 2>Big computer for traveler, fifteen fifteen inch, fifteen inch mouse

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<v Speaker 2>for Traveler and robot dog.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, just wide monitor, curve, display tower, Mac shiny black,

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<v Speaker 4>two hundred and fifty six gigabyte.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a great mad libs.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, the touchscreen, vape, social media alert, disposable, whatever

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<v Speaker 4>is that. It's just it is a mad libs of

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<v Speaker 4>technology and it's real and it.

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<v Speaker 2>Really is it Really it's kind of fun that you

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<v Speaker 2>can buy a mad libs of technology. Yeah, well, thank

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<v Speaker 2>you so much, Kyla. Really appreciate you taking the time

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<v Speaker 2>to talk to me today.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you. This is very fun.

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