1 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:16,880 Speaker 1: From Kaleidoscope and iHeart Podcasts. This is tech stuff. I'm 2 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: as Valoshian and I'm Cara Price, and you may be 3 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:21,479 Speaker 1: able to tell from both of our nasal voices that 4 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:26,119 Speaker 1: it's the holiday season. It's that time of year, and 5 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:28,320 Speaker 1: we bring you a special holiday episode. 6 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 2: That's right, we are bringing you a rundown of the 7 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 2: best tech gifts to give all the people in your life, 8 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:35,519 Speaker 2: from your in laws to your frenemy. 9 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 1: We're going to hear what The New Yorker's Internet Culture 10 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 1: columnist Kyle Chaker recommends. 11 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 2: And I will be reviewing the present I gave to 12 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 2: myself this holiday season, the Meta ray band glasses. 13 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:52,959 Speaker 1: All of that on the Weekend Tech. It's Friday, December nineteenth. 14 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 2: Hello Cara, Hi ass, How are you other than a 15 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 2: little bit nasal? 16 00:00:57,160 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 1: A little bit nasal, but otherwise very excited for the 17 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 1: time of year. Love holidays. 18 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 2: I love the holidays. Ding ding ding ding. I'm curious 19 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 2: when you gear up to go gift shopping, do you 20 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:10,959 Speaker 2: look at gift guides for inspiration or do you just 21 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:12,200 Speaker 2: like go for it. 22 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:14,559 Speaker 1: You know, I don't have kids, so I have three 23 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 1: people to whom I gift Both of my parents who 24 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 1: I give wine, Yes, and my wife would I give 25 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 1: whatever she asked for what I had surprise gifts. But 26 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:26,680 Speaker 1: then I was like, you know what, You're always going 27 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 1: to like the thing more if you've chosen it, so 28 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:28,960 Speaker 1: let's just do that. 29 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 2: Of course. 30 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 1: So I'm not a huge gift guy. 31 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:31,399 Speaker 2: I like you. 32 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 1: But on the other hand, I like gift guys because 33 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:35,319 Speaker 1: I like to know what's up. 34 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 2: I also like to know what other people are interested, 35 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:39,399 Speaker 2: you know what. And I think that like. 36 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 1: There is a good distillation of the culture. 37 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:43,480 Speaker 2: I think, absolutely it's a distillation of the culture, and 38 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:45,760 Speaker 2: I think it's sort of a nice year in review. 39 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 1: Absolutely. Have you heard of something called The Next Playground? No? 40 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 2: I have not. 41 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 1: I hadn't either, but it took the number one spot 42 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 1: for Amazon's Toys and Games category on Black Friday. My god, 43 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: I've basically been out of stock since then because there's 44 00:01:58,320 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 1: so much demand for it. 45 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 2: And what is it. 46 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 1: It's a console. It's a gaming console but with no controllers. 47 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:07,919 Speaker 1: So it basically looks like a Rubik's cube that lives 48 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 1: under your TV, and it has a camera and the 49 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 1: camera basically watches you and it connects to the TV. 50 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:17,640 Speaker 1: So the TV becomes a game screen and you're playing 51 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 1: in augmented reality. You're basically moving shapes. 52 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 2: Family AR. 53 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 1: It's family AR, and kids are absolutely obsessed and they're 54 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 1: dancing around in front of the TV, moving shapes on 55 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 1: the screen. And parents love it because feel slightly less 56 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 1: guilty watching their kids interactive TV than they do just 57 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 1: locked into the phone. 58 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 2: That actually does appeal to me, because my obviously devisive 59 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:41,919 Speaker 2: choice is a phone, which makes me completely Sedentaryah. 60 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 1: Imagine all the fun of your phone on a big screen. 61 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 2: That's amazing. That's amazing. 62 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 1: It actually began the company next as Believe it or not, 63 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 1: an AI powered tool to analyze and improve basketball shot maker. 64 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 2: I always love those stories where it started as one 65 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 2: thing and ended up being something else. 66 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 1: It turns out that there wasn't enough demand for kids 67 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 1: to true optimized their boss care. 68 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 2: They weren't good enough kids. 69 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:05,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, they weren't enough good kids. So they pivoted a 70 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:08,680 Speaker 1: couple of times and ended up building the hottest console 71 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 1: in America. It's marketed exclusively at families with young children, 72 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 1: and it's much cheaper than mainstream consoles. Two hundred and 73 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:16,959 Speaker 1: forty nine dollars to buy it. And then of course 74 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:18,920 Speaker 1: Daniel subscription of eighty nine dollars. 75 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 2: But still, I mean that's for the entire family. Fun. 76 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's amazing. The pictures of the pictures of I 77 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 1: mean it really it looks it looks fun. It looks 78 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:26,360 Speaker 1: like an engage. 79 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 2: You buy this for someone. 80 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 1: If I had kids, I would definitely buy it. 81 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:32,800 Speaker 2: It sounds really fun. Well, I got myself a little 82 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:33,639 Speaker 2: tech item this year. 83 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:34,080 Speaker 3: You did. 84 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, that I've been kind of coveting and I've been 85 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 2: covering it. One because I look so good in glasses, 86 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 2: and two because fortunately or unfortunately, I am a meta 87 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 2: super user. I'm on Instagram constantly, I'm on my phone constantly, 88 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 2: and I was curious about wearing my camera in my glasses. 89 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 1: This is the meta raybend glass. 90 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 2: This is the meta ray band. 91 00:03:57,200 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 1: You're wearing glasses right now. 92 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 2: These these they these are not there. These are not there, 93 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 2: And I'm going to take them off and I'm going 94 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 2: to give you my honest review. Mike is looking at us, 95 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 2: our producer, He's like, okay, look good. Well they're ray bands. 96 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 2: They're ray band wayfarers. 97 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:20,720 Speaker 1: And there's no hint from where I'm sitting that you 98 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 1: are a cybi right now, just like no one lost. 99 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:24,720 Speaker 2: I just want to be clear, and this might be 100 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 2: a little less exciting. I do not have the ray 101 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 2: band metaglasses that have ar filter in the eye. There 102 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 2: are ray band glasses where you're putting it on and 103 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 2: it's literally telling you, like where you're going in the world. 104 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 2: So this is simply a camera in my glasses. Okay, 105 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 2: here are the features that it has. You can basically 106 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:44,839 Speaker 2: not be on your phone and take like incredibly high 107 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 2: quality video and pictures of anything that I'm looking at 108 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 2: in the room, Like right now, just took a picture 109 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 2: of you. Wow, literally and. 110 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:55,840 Speaker 1: It went, yeah, yeah, that's wound me. 111 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:57,840 Speaker 2: I guess the previously I'm going to take a picture 112 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 2: of you. There we go. What I'm doing here is 113 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 2: I'm just pressing a button on my frames. 114 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 1: And both a noise and light witch flashes. 115 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 2: Like right now, I'm taking a video of you, and 116 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 2: you can sort of see it. It's a long hold yeah, 117 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 2: and the light flash light flashing, and then I let 118 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 2: go and it stops. Now what I could do is 119 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 2: that I could take that photo of you and type 120 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 2: in a prompt to Meta AI, which is the software 121 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 2: that goes along with these glasses. 122 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:28,279 Speaker 1: So you have an app which is attached to the glasses. 123 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 2: That's correct, that's where the pictures go. So I can 124 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:36,719 Speaker 2: say in the app, make oz dance around the studio 125 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:39,160 Speaker 2: with the photo that I just created, and lo and 126 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 2: behold Meta AI, much like Sora, will create a video 127 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:45,480 Speaker 2: of you dancing around the studio and it's a very 128 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 2: hyper realistic AI rendering of you dancing. The thing that 129 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:51,840 Speaker 2: I want to try here is such a cool feature 130 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:54,239 Speaker 2: that I just tried very recently, which is the AI 131 00:05:54,360 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 2: translation feature. You speak German a little bit, so right now, 132 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:03,159 Speaker 2: what I can do with these glasses is as I'm 133 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:05,280 Speaker 2: wearing them, basically what's gonna happen is You're going to 134 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:08,599 Speaker 2: say something to me in German, and my headphones which 135 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:10,360 Speaker 2: are in this these glasses, are going to read them 136 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 2: back to me in English. 137 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:16,280 Speaker 1: Yes, Hello Libakara, as Futek there does send here so 138 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 1: samon houter. 139 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:22,280 Speaker 2: Hello dear Kara. I am very pleased that we are 140 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:23,240 Speaker 2: here together today. 141 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 1: That's what I said. 142 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 2: I mean, that's crazy. Come on, that's incredible, and it 143 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 2: set it into my ears. 144 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:33,159 Speaker 1: That is unbelievable. One more time, h Ishbinambisi and. 145 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 2: I'm a little sick today, and I'm a little sick today, 146 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:43,839 Speaker 2: and so are you. That's like the un that's pretty cool. 147 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:46,719 Speaker 2: You have to say, I have to be honest, and 148 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 2: I am like, obviously the opposite of a technoskeptic. I 149 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:55,599 Speaker 2: found like I embrace this technology so wholeheartedly. But you know, 150 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 2: it's funny. Before this, I'm not going to go off 151 00:06:57,320 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 2: on too much of a tangent, but before this, I 152 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:01,840 Speaker 2: was talking to one of the wonderful iHeart producers, Katrina Norvell, 153 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:04,279 Speaker 2: and she was very much like, you know, it's just 154 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 2: meta co opting your time, just meta co opting your time. 155 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 2: And I said, you know what. 156 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 1: It's fun. It's really fun. 157 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 2: It's really fun to surprise and delight my mother with 158 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 2: a photo of her sitting in a chair and saying, 159 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 2: please make my mom sing and dance to me in Spanish, 160 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 2: and it. 161 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 1: Does that with a photo that's as similar to the 162 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 1: next cube. It's like, yeah, this kind of ability to 163 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 1: sort of manipulate your reality live in a way which 164 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 1: also allows you to engage other people. It just is fun. 165 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 1: It is. I do have a more serious question, please, 166 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 1: why did you give them to yourself and not to me. 167 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 2: Because I want them fair enough. I wear them all 168 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 2: around town. I just also think it's fun, you know what, 169 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 2: for someone like me who is constantly taking out my 170 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 2: phone as like a reflex. This is really for people 171 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 2: who are trying to take photos and take video and 172 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 2: not be on their phone now of course. 173 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 1: But do you actually use them in real life yet? 174 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 2: No, not really. They're still a kind of gag for me, 175 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 2: and I think they will remain as such. 176 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 1: But if you had kids, if I had kids, if 177 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 1: you have kids, the mission of your life is. 178 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 2: Interesting though, that like technology kind of or having a 179 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 2: child brings you around to a technology that you're kind 180 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 2: of left out of if you don't have children, Like 181 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 2: I would never buy the next Cube for myself. I'd 182 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 2: be dancing around my apartment alone. It'd be very weird. 183 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 2: It'd be very weird. So I would buy you these. 184 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 2: I think. I don't think this is something that your 185 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 2: wife wants. 186 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think so. But I mean I 187 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 1: just in general, and if you bring a presence to 188 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:33,440 Speaker 1: the studio for yourself, I think it'd be you know, 189 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 1: it'd be nice for me as well. 190 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 2: Sorry, I had an orange juice from press juice. Sorry, 191 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:40,719 Speaker 2: if you want that, that can't really do anything for you. 192 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 1: Okay, I forgive you because I know you brought me 193 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:44,320 Speaker 1: another gift, which is the gift of a conversation with 194 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 1: Kyle Chaca. 195 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 2: I did. I did. I'm very excited to tell you 196 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 2: about a gift guide that really piqued my interest, which 197 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 2: was written by the one Kyle Chaka. He is a 198 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:55,440 Speaker 2: staff writer at The New Yorker. He writes about tech 199 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 2: and Internet culture in a column called Infinite Scroll name 200 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 2: by the way, it's a great name. And he also 201 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 2: wrote a book that has a great name, which is 202 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 2: called Filter World, How Algorithms Flattened Culture. Today, I'm bringing 203 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 2: you this interview with him because he wrote to me 204 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:14,320 Speaker 2: the best gift guide on the Internet, Wow, and it's 205 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 2: focused on the newest, strangest gadgets and apps. 206 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 1: I actually read the list too, and I thought it 207 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:23,960 Speaker 1: was great. And what I thought was very interesting about 208 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 1: it was not just the individual products that he featured, 209 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 1: but this kind of frame that he had, which is, 210 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 1: there's a crazy moment happening where chips and screens and 211 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:35,320 Speaker 1: other component parts have never been cheaper, and so basically, 212 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:39,560 Speaker 1: whatever you can dream, you can manufacture in China in 213 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:42,960 Speaker 1: thirtys It turns out a human sized robot servant, which 214 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 1: I was hoping you brings to. 215 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:45,199 Speaker 2: This that I was gonna say, I should have actually 216 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:48,080 Speaker 2: bought you the twenty thousand dollars Neo Home robot, which 217 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:50,840 Speaker 2: he actually didn't endorse because I think it's only available 218 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:53,559 Speaker 2: for pre order. As I said, it's twenty thousand dollars. 219 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 2: But it's a great example of the types of things 220 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 2: that Kyle is marveling at right now, the surrealist phase 221 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 2: personal technology, where sort of anything you can dream of 222 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 2: you can build. This is exactly what inspired Kyle to 223 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 2: write this gift guide, So I'll just let Kyle take 224 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 2: it away. 225 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:17,200 Speaker 4: My criteria for this was funny tech kind of It's like, 226 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 4: not the optimized gadget. It's not the latest or release 227 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 4: or the most powerful thing. It's like that thing that 228 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 4: you don't know exists, and when you buy it, you're like, Wow, 229 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:30,439 Speaker 4: I'm so happy that that some factory in China has 230 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 4: melded these tech gadgets together. And that's how you get 231 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 4: the swipe touch screen vape that gives you social I'm 232 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 4: obsessed with the Swipe. 233 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 2: I'm obsessed with the swipe and doesn't have weather. 234 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:44,840 Speaker 3: It has weather, it has Spotify. 235 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 2: When you're vaping outside, you need to know what the 236 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 2: weather is. 237 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 3: It's also not that expensive, no fifteen dollars. 238 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:53,679 Speaker 4: It just made me think that maybe you can put 239 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 4: a touch screen on anything, like. 240 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 2: An he likes to put a touch screen on this 241 00:10:57,320 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 2: cup of coffee. 242 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:00,040 Speaker 3: Yeah exactly, you can. 243 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:01,319 Speaker 2: And then I could run ads on it would be 244 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 2: like Taxi TV. 245 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 4: Yes, ads on your coffee cup. Feels like a twenty 246 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:06,680 Speaker 4: twenty five innovation. 247 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 2: This might have just created something. 248 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:11,959 Speaker 4: Yeah exactly, But I think like the swipe vape and 249 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 4: this Noasuma mini projector that I bought for fifty dollars 250 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 4: for like a rental house weekend, that those are the 251 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 4: patron saints. 252 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 2: And were you a king for that projector? 253 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:26,679 Speaker 4: Like yeah, yeah, it worked amazingly. Yeah, and the projector 254 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 4: runs Netflix itself. 255 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:29,959 Speaker 2: It's incredible. 256 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 4: It blew my mind and I was like, wow, this 257 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:34,680 Speaker 4: is this is now banal like technology that I would 258 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:37,319 Speaker 4: have found miraculous as like a twelve year old, let 259 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 4: alone like a thirty year old now exists and is 260 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 4: delivered to me for fifty dollars. 261 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:43,320 Speaker 2: That is incredible. 262 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 4: Well, This was also the appeal of doing this gift guide. 263 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 4: Like the gadget is a really fun category, right, and 264 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 4: like the gadget is the fun version of technology. And 265 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 4: I feel like we no longer have fun on our 266 00:11:55,800 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 4: phones or our laptops, so we need other devices to. 267 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 2: To actually have fun with. I really liked the books 268 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:07,960 Speaker 2: the books m I actually run like a big Instagram 269 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 2: book club, and I'm a big reader, and I was 270 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 2: just curious if you could talk a little bit about 271 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 2: the books. 272 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, the books. I actually don't know if it's books 273 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:21,840 Speaker 4: or books. I would assume because it is a good 274 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 4: reading device. But it's kind of like an iPhone sized 275 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 4: or a smartphone sized e ink screen that can run 276 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:31,199 Speaker 4: a lot of apps. It can be a kind of 277 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 4: replacement phone, but it's also just like a nicer reading 278 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 4: device that fits in your pocket. So instead of you know, 279 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 4: scrolling through TikTok or loading the New York Times games 280 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:44,839 Speaker 4: or whatever, you can read e inc and save your 281 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:45,839 Speaker 4: eyes and your brain. 282 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:47,960 Speaker 2: Kyle, can you remind me what e inc is. 283 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:53,959 Speaker 4: E inc is a physical screen with physical pixels in it, 284 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:56,440 Speaker 4: So instead of like a digital screen lighting up with 285 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:59,560 Speaker 4: different colors, an e ink screen is made of little 286 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:03,560 Speaker 4: physical gold bits that switch from white to black or 287 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:06,440 Speaker 4: different colors as the case may be now, and like 288 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 4: e ink is another one of those things that has 289 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 4: advanced hugely in recent years, and we just don't you 290 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 4: don't necessarily know, Like if you're not keeping up with 291 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 4: these weird new gadgets, you don't know that there is 292 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:17,840 Speaker 4: better e inc out there. 293 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:18,080 Speaker 3: Now. 294 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:20,559 Speaker 2: You're not keeping tabs on the e ink space. 295 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:24,439 Speaker 4: Yeah you are, though, I am, because it's very interesting. 296 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:28,560 Speaker 4: Like this other device I listed, the Daylight, It's like 297 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 4: a very colorful, very smooth, high refresh rate e ink tablet, 298 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 4: and it's just so interesting, Like that's I didn't know 299 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:40,080 Speaker 4: that that existed and now it does. 300 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:45,440 Speaker 2: I also saw that you recommended my favorite worst advertised 301 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 2: AI device, the friend Penn. 302 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 4: Yes, yes, that was I recommended it to give to 303 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:56,840 Speaker 4: your enemy or your frenemy. So maybe it's a passive 304 00:13:56,840 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 4: aggressive gift. 305 00:13:57,840 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 3: I don't know. 306 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 4: I feel like if you're giving someone an AI companion, 307 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 4: you're kind of implying something negative about them, like maybe 308 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 4: they could use it. Well, here's here's an idea. Maybe 309 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 4: instead of giving someone an AI chatbot, you can just 310 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:15,320 Speaker 4: text them a lot like, yeah, you could see the chatbot. 311 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 2: It's a similar thing. Yeah, and also if you give 312 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 2: sycophantic advice, then you're definitely chat gybt. But what is 313 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 2: the friend exactly? 314 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 3: It's this little pendant. 315 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 4: It's a kind of like rounded thing that hangs on 316 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:34,480 Speaker 4: a necklace around your neck, and it listens to your conversations, 317 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 4: It listens to your surroundings, and it texts your phone. 318 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 4: So this the AI independant, listens to everything, translates it 319 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 4: into language, understands it in whatever way it's capable of, 320 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 4: and then kind of commentates on your life. But as 321 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 4: people who have tested it found out, it's actually very 322 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 4: mean to you. 323 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 3: Like it. 324 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 2: It's not a nice chatbot. 325 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 4: No, it's not a nice chatbot, So it'll kind of 326 00:14:57,880 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 4: mock you for what you do every day. 327 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 2: That's something that I kind of want to get someone. 328 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 2: Then if it was mean, that would not would be 329 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 2: like that wasn't my problem. I didn't really check it out. 330 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 2: I just thought the idea was cool. 331 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 3: Yeah. 332 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, it is the kind of thing that you want 333 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 4: to play with and try out but not have to 334 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 4: pay for. 335 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. 336 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 3: Maybe that's that's why you would give it as a gift. 337 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 2: So I just got Meta ray bands, and I have 338 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 2: to say I went into it being very skeptical, I think, 339 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 2: because I was like, why do I want Instagram in 340 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 2: my glasses? And I have to say that, like, I 341 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 2: actually found them to be a lot cooler than I 342 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 2: thought I would. 343 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 4: I mean, it seems like the inevitable future, Like I 344 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 4: think we are tired of our phones, and VR seems 345 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 4: like a dead end to me. I mean, Meta has 346 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 4: already disinvested from the metaverse, so I think the only 347 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 4: answer is to put digital information over your view of 348 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 4: the real world and the way that we already basically 349 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 4: do by like staring at our phones we walk around. 350 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 4: So it does seem a little inevitable, and I expect 351 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 4: that in a year or two will be much farther 352 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 4: along that path. The translation features seem really wild to me, 353 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 4: like the real time translation. 354 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 2: That even the music in the ear is very cool, 355 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 2: and that's like, so, I mean people always have air pods, 356 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 2: like this is nothing new. There's just something interesting about 357 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 2: music coming out of your actual glasses. 358 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 4: And that's like, I feel like that's what makes a 359 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 4: great new gadget. It's like a thing that you didn't 360 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 4: think was possible in this little physical form, and that's 361 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 4: what the iPhone was. But it hasn't been that for 362 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 4: like a decade. 363 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 2: To think of the iPhone as a gadget and not 364 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:42,600 Speaker 2: a necessity, it's not as a sort of necessary appendage 365 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 2: of life is so like to I mean, originally it's like, ooh, 366 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 2: look at this gadget I have. Now it's like, if 367 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 2: you don't have the gadget, you don't participate in modern society. 368 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 3: You are not alive. 369 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 2: Actually literally budget it's so crazy. 370 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, so that's why we like funnier gadgets or goofier gadgets. 371 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 2: After the break, Kyle and I discussed the best anti 372 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 2: tech technology for all the Luddites in your life Stay 373 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 2: with us. You have a section in the guide about 374 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 2: streaming services. For someone who has so many streaming services, 375 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 2: I actually never considered giving a streaming service as a 376 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 2: gift because it's a recurring it's kind of a recurring cost, which. 377 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you're putting someone on the hook a little bit, 378 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:37,720 Speaker 4: but you're also like subsidizing it for them. 379 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:40,680 Speaker 2: But so you said that, just I wanted to quote 380 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 2: something that you said, and the piece that giving someone 381 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 2: a subscription to a new streaming service is a little 382 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 2: like buying them a membership to an art museum. It's 383 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:50,240 Speaker 2: a hint that their cultural consumption habits could stand a 384 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:55,639 Speaker 2: little improvement. Does your judgment of other people's taste and 385 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 2: form your gift giving? Would you say? 386 00:17:58,760 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 3: I think so? 387 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 4: But in a positive way, like like I don't want 388 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 4: to give someone something that they are not going to like, right, right, 389 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:09,439 Speaker 4: But it's just like not in their zone. Like I 390 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:12,320 Speaker 4: wouldn't give a membership to an art museum to someone 391 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 4: who I knew did not like art. Yeah, you have 392 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 4: to know what you're getting into. Like some people are 393 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:22,240 Speaker 4: crunchy Roll people for anime, some people are BritBox people 394 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 4: for detective series. 395 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:25,840 Speaker 2: First of all, have you given a streaming service as 396 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:26,200 Speaker 2: a gift? 397 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 3: Yes? 398 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:30,919 Speaker 4: So my wife and I gave her parents, my in laws, 399 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:33,360 Speaker 4: a Criteria subscription for a year. 400 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:35,120 Speaker 2: That's a bold gift. 401 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:35,480 Speaker 3: It is. 402 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:39,680 Speaker 4: But they watch a lot of streaming television, so they're 403 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:41,879 Speaker 4: they're always running out of movies. 404 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 2: And you're like, here's some movies that you may not like. 405 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:48,200 Speaker 2: As older parents of my wife, I try. 406 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 4: I respect their taste though, Like they're my mother in 407 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 4: law took a class on Hitchcock films recently, so it's 408 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:58,480 Speaker 4: like a kind of it's aspirational but not out of 409 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:00,080 Speaker 4: the range. 410 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 2: Let's say, what was their reaction being given an intangible gift. 411 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 3: I think they liked it. 412 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:08,879 Speaker 2: They were like this email log in. 413 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 3: Well we did. 414 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:13,359 Speaker 4: We added it to their television while we were there. 415 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:16,880 Speaker 4: But I think I don't know intangible gifts. I kind 416 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:20,080 Speaker 4: of grew up with that a little bit. It's kind 417 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:24,119 Speaker 4: of like, you know, an IOU or like you're gonna 418 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 4: get whatever bike you want or something like that. So 419 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:29,480 Speaker 4: in a way, I feel like it fits. 420 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 2: The IOU, though, is like the least sincere gift to me? 421 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 3: I do I agree with that? 422 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:38,679 Speaker 2: What is your favorite streaming service? Just out of curiosity? 423 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 4: Oh man, I really like a Doggio, which I also 424 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 4: put in the in the gift guide. It's a classical 425 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 4: music streaming service and I don't know anything for music. Yeah, 426 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:53,480 Speaker 4: it like makes it easy to navigate, and I mean 427 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 4: now on Spotify it is so awash with AI garbage. 428 00:19:57,240 --> 00:20:00,760 Speaker 4: It's like I can't I can't navigate it. And at 429 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 4: least on a Dodgio, you know that these are all 430 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:04,120 Speaker 4: humans like. 431 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:06,680 Speaker 2: Playing classical music. Yeah, totally. 432 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:09,440 Speaker 4: You're in no doubt whatsoever that this is a real 433 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:12,480 Speaker 4: thing from real people, which nowadays is kind of a 434 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:13,679 Speaker 4: scarce commodity. 435 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:14,560 Speaker 2: That's cool. 436 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:17,480 Speaker 4: Nugs you could also get for a very specific friend, 437 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 4: And I think it came out of Phish concert. 438 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 2: Tapes originally interesting. 439 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 4: And so it's like a jam band's live performance streaming service, 440 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 4: slash archive Nugs, nugs, nugs dot. 441 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 2: Net as it has to be. 442 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 3: At it's definitely a dot net. 443 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 2: I was really taken by your anti technology technology section, 444 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 2: and like on the show this year, we talked a 445 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 2: lot about, you know, how important it is to decrease 446 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:48,240 Speaker 2: your screen time and how like unplugging is actually this 447 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 2: luxury now like it's almost like things that help you 448 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:53,880 Speaker 2: unplug our luxury goods. 449 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 3: Yes, that's totally true. 450 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 2: And so I was curious, like, when you were putting 451 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 2: this together, what made you decide to make this a section? 452 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:07,680 Speaker 4: Honestly my own experience, Like, I think this year has 453 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:11,160 Speaker 4: been a year of anti technology tech for me as 454 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:13,880 Speaker 4: I've tried to find ways to get off of screens 455 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:16,960 Speaker 4: more often. Yeah, and some have really worked for me, 456 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 4: And so I kind of thought, what is the more 457 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 4: expanded sense of anti tech technology. 458 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 2: You mentioned Brick. 459 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:26,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, Brick is really popular. 460 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:27,920 Speaker 2: Have you used Brick? 461 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:28,480 Speaker 3: Yes? 462 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, And can you give me a quick description of 463 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 2: how brick actually works. 464 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:35,639 Speaker 4: You set it up on your phone. In the app, 465 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 4: you select which apps you want to block for yourself, 466 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 4: and then you activate the blocked apps by tapping the 467 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 4: Brick that you have in your house. And so once 468 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:48,639 Speaker 4: you tap it, it's locked, you tap it again, it's unlocked. 469 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:50,200 Speaker 2: Do you use Brick? 470 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 4: I use Opal, the Opal app, which just like blocks 471 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 4: apps on your phone and has this kind of interface 472 00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:01,400 Speaker 4: for getting you off social media during the workday, for example. 473 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:03,919 Speaker 4: Like I found that that really worked for me and 474 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:06,639 Speaker 4: I could contain it within my phone. But you know, 475 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 4: brick for the for the real addicts or the person 476 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 4: who locks their phone in one of those clear lock 477 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 4: boxes on a timer, Brick would probably be really good. 478 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:19,399 Speaker 2: You also put a digital camera. Can you talk a 479 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:21,840 Speaker 2: little bit about that, the FUJIFILM slash half. 480 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:26,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, there's been a whole rash of digital cameras lately 481 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 4: that mimic film and. 482 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 2: Kids are using them like the kids are using them 483 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:30,960 Speaker 2: like crazy. 484 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:34,479 Speaker 4: Huge trends. There's a huge expanded market for quote unquote 485 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:38,960 Speaker 4: vintage digital cameras, which were just like the avant garde 486 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:40,960 Speaker 4: things that I played with as a kid in the 487 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 4: early two thousands. But the Fujifilm has been really on 488 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:48,440 Speaker 4: this trend, and they have these cameras that mimic film 489 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:52,400 Speaker 4: formats and film aesthetics, and they also look like film cameras. 490 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:54,639 Speaker 2: And you like, you like the Fujifilm one. 491 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:55,879 Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, they're really great. 492 00:22:56,280 --> 00:23:00,240 Speaker 2: Do you find that people like interacting with you? They're 493 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:03,720 Speaker 2: just like, on a personal basis or on a reader basis, 494 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 2: are like, please give me more analog. 495 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 3: Mm hmm. For sure. 496 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:12,399 Speaker 4: They want analog experiences. They want irl stuff, They want 497 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:16,440 Speaker 4: buttons and switches and not just touch screens. 498 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:18,960 Speaker 3: So I think there's a big urge toward that. 499 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 2: Isn't that so interesting? 500 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:20,720 Speaker 3: Yeah? 501 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:23,200 Speaker 4: I mean I think we're all sick of screens and 502 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 4: fictionless digital interaction, and we realize how bad it is 503 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:29,120 Speaker 4: for us and how bad it is for the world 504 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:29,720 Speaker 4: at large. 505 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,960 Speaker 2: So part of the interest in analog is like, actually 506 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:36,919 Speaker 2: in creating a more friction filled experience for the user. 507 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:40,920 Speaker 4: I think, so slowing down, making it a little harder 508 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 4: to do things or more complicated to do things, and 509 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:47,160 Speaker 4: that slowing down forces you to think about the act 510 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 4: more well. 511 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 2: I just have one question about books. Do you, as 512 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 2: a writer like to give out book recommendations? 513 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:57,480 Speaker 3: I do. I really like to give books as gifts. 514 00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:00,400 Speaker 2: Books being the ultimate analog object. 515 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:05,240 Speaker 4: And a great representation or fulfillment of taste, because you 516 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:07,960 Speaker 4: are saying, I know this book is good, and I 517 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 4: think it will work for you from your personality and worldview. 518 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 4: So the right book gift communicates a lot. 519 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:17,160 Speaker 2: Was there any book that you would be giving out 520 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 2: this year other than your own? 521 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:21,879 Speaker 4: I have given this one book a lot, which is 522 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 4: in praise of Shadows by Geni Trio Tanazaki, and it's 523 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 4: this Japanese novelist who wrote an essay in nineteen thirty 524 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 4: four I want to say about what it was like 525 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:39,760 Speaker 4: when Tokyo started adding electric lights and how electricity and 526 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:45,239 Speaker 4: trains and industrialization changed the culture of Japan from his 527 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 4: own personal perspective, and I just feel like it's this 528 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:52,679 Speaker 4: tiny book, it's really beautiful, makes a perfect object gift. 529 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,239 Speaker 4: So I've given out probably a dozen copies of that 530 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:56,359 Speaker 4: over the years. 531 00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:59,439 Speaker 2: That sounds like a very good gift. Is there any 532 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:01,359 Speaker 2: gadget that I left out that you were like, this 533 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:03,359 Speaker 2: is I was so excited to put this on the list. 534 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:05,360 Speaker 3: I think this whole range of. 535 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:11,480 Speaker 4: Semi illegal emulator video games where you like buy a 536 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 4: little fake game Boy, but all of a sudden it 537 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 4: has like ten different consoles and a thousand games on 538 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 4: it for like one hundred dollars or less. 539 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,840 Speaker 3: I think that that's kind of you know. 540 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:25,920 Speaker 4: Twelve year old me would have freaked out so mind 541 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 4: blown by yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, the retrosnap Play or 542 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:33,240 Speaker 4: the Amber Nick RG forty XXV. The other thing I 543 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:35,400 Speaker 4: liked about doing this guide was that the names are 544 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 4: so random and crazy. 545 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:38,800 Speaker 2: They're crazy, That's what that was my favorite thing about 546 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:43,359 Speaker 2: reading it. It seemed like a McSweeney's article, I'll be honest, but. 547 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 4: It's like it's all the same phenomenon. I think because 548 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 4: like these gadgets have these spammy names because now it's 549 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:53,840 Speaker 4: just like a thing you click on on Amazon right, Like, 550 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 4: it doesn't the brand name doesn't matter, the maker doesn't. 551 00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:00,280 Speaker 2: Matter, fifty care. It's like a fifty word title of 552 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 2: a Yeah, the thing that you're buying. 553 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 4: Everything should be named by SEO. It just fifteen inch 554 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:12,400 Speaker 4: eat ink screen high battery power, loaded with one thousand games, 555 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:17,320 Speaker 4: color purple, shiny devices like I think, I think that's 556 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 4: the epitome of naming. Actually it should just be literal 557 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:22,159 Speaker 4: and a string of twenty words. 558 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:27,200 Speaker 2: Big computer for traveler, fifteen fifteen inch, fifteen inch mouse 559 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,120 Speaker 2: for Traveler and robot dog. 560 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:36,600 Speaker 4: Yes, just wide monitor, curve, display tower, Mac shiny black, 561 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:39,440 Speaker 4: two hundred and fifty six gigabyte. 562 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:41,280 Speaker 2: This is a great mad libs. 563 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:48,080 Speaker 4: I mean, the touchscreen, vape, social media alert, disposable, whatever 564 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:50,639 Speaker 4: is that. It's just it is a mad libs of 565 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,160 Speaker 4: technology and it's real and it. 566 00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 2: Really is it Really it's kind of fun that you 567 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:59,040 Speaker 2: can buy a mad libs of technology. Yeah, well, thank 568 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 2: you so much, Kyla. Really appreciate you taking the time 569 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:02,399 Speaker 2: to talk to me today. 570 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:03,680 Speaker 3: Thank you. This is very fun. 571 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:15,440 Speaker 2: That's it for this week for tech stuff. I'm Kara 572 00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:16,960 Speaker 2: Price and I'm as Voloscan. 573 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 1: This episode was produced by Elisa, Dennis Tyler Hill and 574 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:24,000 Speaker 1: Melissa Slaughter. 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