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Speaker 1: This is the Benn and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast

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Speaker 1: with I our Radio. It's another episode of the Almost

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Speaker 1: Famous podcast. Yes it is. I'm gonna call it Fantasy

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Speaker 1: Sweets Week. Ashley and McKenna are here to join us.

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Speaker 1: I almost couldn't say it. Ben is never gonna call

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Speaker 1: it sex week. Jared wants to call it sex sweet Permanently.

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Speaker 1: Why because it's funny. It's a little done now, it's

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Speaker 1: just a funny week. It's overdone. Okay, sorry, it's not.

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Speaker 1: It's so funny it sets people up. Mckinna, Welcome to

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Speaker 1: the Almost Famous Podcast. First, O funny, Okay, I understand

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Speaker 1: what you're saying. Obviously, fantasy sweets are very important for

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Speaker 1: not the sex part, but it is funny. That's the

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Speaker 1: week that you have to decide whether or not to

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Speaker 1: do something. Uh McKenna, what do you think? Should it

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Speaker 1: be called sex week or can we just stick with

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Speaker 1: fantasy sweets? What's your vote? There's no wrong answer here.

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Speaker 1: I like fantasy sweets, um, but I mean, it's like

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Speaker 1: it can happen. But I just think it's just time

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Speaker 1: for someone to have more quality time and like private

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Speaker 1: time with someone doesn't need to be all about sex. Yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: and it can. It can if you want it to be.

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Speaker 1: If you would like to enjoy that evening with a

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Speaker 1: semi stranger and just release all of the things that

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Speaker 1: have been in your body for the last three months

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Speaker 1: as you've traveled around the world, go for it. There's

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Speaker 1: no shame in that game from this show. I just

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Speaker 1: don't want to put added pressure to it. So the

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Speaker 1: big question this week is who's right who's wrong? That's

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Speaker 1: my ben I just want you to know that, of

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Speaker 1: course I'm on your team in this. I know you are.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying it really started out as kind of

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Speaker 1: a joke. It is a joke. Ashley the Virgin Ashley

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Speaker 1: are like, of course I'm down for it. There to

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Speaker 1: be like no sex if that's the choice. Actually, nobody

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Speaker 1: is going to be mad at you for wanting and

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Speaker 1: thinking it's funny. That's called sex. Okay, okay, okay, but

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Speaker 1: it's really Jared. So this episode we're gonna break down

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Speaker 1: right now. There's a lot to talk about, but mostly

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Speaker 1: around one topic. So we're gonna fly through. I think

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Speaker 1: the two of the three Fantasy Suits dates talk a

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Speaker 1: little bit about Katie. The big question overwhelmingly for me

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Speaker 1: and I to get this thing started. I would love

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Speaker 1: to hear the big question on your mind as we

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Speaker 1: walk into breaking this down is who's right and who's wrong?

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Speaker 1: Like where did things go wrong? Is a question that

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Speaker 1: exists in my mind because there's a lot of different opinions.

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Speaker 1: You would think, you know, if you didn't dig in,

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Speaker 1: everybody would be anti what Zach did. But some people

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Speaker 1: are saying, hey, it was very honest, it was very

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Speaker 1: nice of him, It's very respectful. Now you'll hear my

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Speaker 1: opinion a bit. McKinnon Ashley, what is your big questions

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Speaker 1: after watching this week's Fantasy Sweets Dates? Well, can I

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Speaker 1: go first? Okay? I feel like I would have reacted

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Speaker 1: the same way like Gabby reacted, in the sense of

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Speaker 1: him coming to her saying I need to tell everyone

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Speaker 1: we had sex last night for me to feel better.

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Speaker 1: And I think I felt the exact same way that

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Speaker 1: Katie felt, being like like, I know what's happening, but

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Speaker 1: I don't need you to confirm it for me before,

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Speaker 1: like hours before we're supposed to have our quality time together.

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Speaker 1: Like I just feel like, yeah, maybe he needed to

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Speaker 1: But for those girls, like I just I felt for them,

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Speaker 1: and I don't know, I don't know how I would

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Speaker 1: like recover, like for Katie, like props to her for

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Speaker 1: a good job? Like cool? Like I don't need to

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Speaker 1: like no, like yeah, high five. And then like Gabby,

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Speaker 1: it's like we just had this great night together, like

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Speaker 1: we don't you don't need to be telling everyone about

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Speaker 1: our nightiate thing? Would you say? The appropriate question to

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Speaker 1: Zach being selfish? Was that a fair question for you

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Speaker 1: to like ended his selfishness hurt others? Would that be

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Speaker 1: probably better just to keep that between you and Gabby.

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Speaker 1: Cannot wait to dive into more of this with you

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Speaker 1: because I have some very strong opinions, Okay, all right,

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Speaker 1: that we're going to share. Ashley, if there's a phrase

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Speaker 1: it all depends on the person who's receiving the message.

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Speaker 1: In Katie's situation, okay, because some people may have wanted

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Speaker 1: He's trying to get guilt off his shoulders in telling

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Speaker 1: other girls what happened between them. His big mistake, of course,

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Speaker 1: can't believe he made such a mistake, especially following Clayton's season,

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Speaker 1: which Clayton was like, I slept with all three of

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Speaker 1: the girls and I said I love you basically to

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Speaker 1: all three of your girls that you think that he

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Speaker 1: off even though it had good intention. Yeah. The question

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Speaker 1: there then for me, after I listen to you, actually

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Speaker 1: is did he have good intention? I think it's something

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Speaker 1: And I also have to say that I think that

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Speaker 1: I wonder what would have been the situation if Ariel

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Speaker 1: he had to tell Ariel, would he tell Ariel or

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Speaker 1: going up to this point, he was going to pick Katie,

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Speaker 1: many thoughts. Well, I will say I think out of

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Speaker 1: suites no matter what, and again we'll share my opinion

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Speaker 1: here in a bit. I was engaged in this episode.

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Speaker 1: I felt like it was a in a sense, a

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Speaker 1: throwback Bachelor episode that felt like, Hey, I want to

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Speaker 1: know what's going to happen around every turn. I might

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Speaker 1: not agree with what's happening. I might not like what's happening,

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Speaker 1: the emotions of everybody involved, which is not always the case,

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Speaker 1: as we've been very clear as of recent Okay, they're

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Speaker 1: in Thailand this week. What a beautiful place to spend

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Speaker 1: a week. I can't imagine, though, what travel looked like

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Speaker 1: Ariel's the first Fantasy Sweets date. Ariel looked good, like

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Speaker 1: not for everybody. But she said something to Zach where

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Speaker 1: That was awesome to me. Yeah, they were having fun

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Speaker 1: there any moment where you thought Aerial would be there

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Speaker 1: next week after their Fantasy Suite date. No, just because

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Speaker 1: not spoiled. I don't want to be spoiled. But just

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Speaker 1: was going to sleep with Gabby or Ariel because everybody

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Speaker 1: he wasn't sleeping with the front runner. McKinnon, what did

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Speaker 1: you think? Um? I didn't have a whole idea what's

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Speaker 1: I liked Ariel. I thought they had like a great connection.

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Speaker 1: So like, I wouldn't have been been surprised if she was,

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Speaker 1: wasn't Arial that he and he slept with, Yeah, that

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Speaker 1: sided street. Like you have to communicate and you have

426
00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:33,000
Speaker 1: to hear it out, and you have to hear what

427
00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:36,480
Speaker 1: Gabby's gonna feel when you say, hey, I'm thinking that

428
00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:38,440
Speaker 1: this would be the wisest thing, and here's why I'm thinking,

429
00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:41,800
Speaker 1: what do you think about that? Instead, it was like,

430
00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:45,679
Speaker 1: I'm making this decision for both of us and if

431
00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:49,920
Speaker 1: it hurts, sorry, And I don't know if that's right.

432
00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:53,840
Speaker 1: I don't know, Especially when it's down to the final three.

433
00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:57,520
Speaker 1: This is everybody's season. Everybody's in this equal weight trying

434
00:22:57,560 --> 00:22:58,680
Speaker 1: to figure out if this is going to be the

435
00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:02,000
Speaker 1: right person for each other. Well, put yeah, because I

436
00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:04,600
Speaker 1: mean they have to pick him too, right, so it's

437
00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:09,159
Speaker 1: not just about him. Yeah, and she's saying that like

438
00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:11,680
Speaker 1: she really felt like it was an important thing to

439
00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:16,200
Speaker 1: experience before getting engaged. Yeah, and it is kind of like, yeah,

440
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:18,280
Speaker 1: I think weird. But she's the one that made the

441
00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:20,520
Speaker 1: little joke saying I didn't think I'd get engaged to

442
00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:23,560
Speaker 1: someone without sleeping with them. Yeah, it seemed like it

443
00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:27,840
Speaker 1: was a big a big deal and maybe yeah, deal

444
00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:30,800
Speaker 1: breaker for her to get engage to someone. So it's

445
00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:33,000
Speaker 1: definitely probably annoying for her to be like, oh, okay,

446
00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:34,720
Speaker 1: so I guess I know who the decision maker not

447
00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:41,280
Speaker 1: relationship is mmmmmmmmmm. Yeah. Well they have a dinner portion,

448
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:45,800
Speaker 1: everything's going fine. They go back to the fantasy suites,

449
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:50,239
Speaker 1: and this is where the show really um takes a turn. Right.

450
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:53,520
Speaker 1: They wake up the next morning. Uh, they're very happy.

451
00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:57,640
Speaker 1: Like I didn't think they did because it like to me, neither,

452
00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:01,080
Speaker 1: it seemed too light. Yeah, you got eyes. But like

453
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:04,440
Speaker 1: if I was to stick, like make a declaration to

454
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:06,800
Speaker 1: be so confident in like what I want to do,

455
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:10,200
Speaker 1: and then like I go against that, especially like a

456
00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:13,400
Speaker 1: thing like sex, there's like this, Uh, your mind plays

457
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:15,280
Speaker 1: games with you, right, no matter what you want to

458
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:18,640
Speaker 1: believe it's a powerful thing. And so unless you both

459
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:20,640
Speaker 1: like have walked into it being like, this is gonna

460
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:22,960
Speaker 1: be blast, We're gonna roll around the sheets all night,

461
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:24,880
Speaker 1: We're gonna have so much fun, and then you wake

462
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:26,640
Speaker 1: up you're like, that was great. But if you walk

463
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:28,560
Speaker 1: into it saying this is not what I'm gonna do tonight.

464
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:30,080
Speaker 1: No matter what it is in your life, you set

465
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:32,399
Speaker 1: some standard or boundary and you've crossed that standard or

466
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:35,560
Speaker 1: boundary when you wake up in the morning. It at

467
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 1: least for me and tell me if I'm weird here.

468
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:40,600
Speaker 1: I feel a sense of guilt and shame, which I

469
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:43,560
Speaker 1: don't think it's healthy, but it happens, and so I'm

470
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:46,239
Speaker 1: I'm in my own head for until I can get

471
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 1: out of my own head for a long time, I know.

472
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:51,320
Speaker 1: So then when I was watching this before, they were like,

473
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:54,639
Speaker 1: something changed, and we did we did it where we

474
00:24:54,720 --> 00:25:00,440
Speaker 1: were intimate. Yeah, I was like, oh gosh, he sleeps

475
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:03,120
Speaker 1: with Katie. Okay, And then yeah, they dropped the bomb

476
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 1: on us. But wait a second, can we just have

477
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,480
Speaker 1: a little bit of laughter right now in the fact

478
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 1: that he is not an f boy at all. I

479
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:13,800
Speaker 1: know he's not, but he sounded so much like one

480
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:16,159
Speaker 1: when he was like, Jesse, I know I made this

481
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 1: this plan, but guess what change plants change good old

482
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:26,480
Speaker 1: yeck mckinna. What do you think? Do you do you

483
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:31,080
Speaker 1: feel like that morning was oddly peaceful and like kind

484
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:33,040
Speaker 1: of pointed if they had sex or not to something

485
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 1: really special. I think watching and I knew right away

486
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:41,520
Speaker 1: they like just like their energy. I think I think

487
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,639
Speaker 1: looking at her, I feel like her whole right, she

488
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:49,119
Speaker 1: was just like waish, like yeah, there was that she

489
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 1: was beaming with excitement, and I think, I don't know,

490
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 1: like her waving goodbye, like it just gave off that

491
00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 1: like they did have a very special night, and like

492
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:06,680
Speaker 1: I think, Ken, yeah, don't you think that it wasn't

493
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 1: just like a like the post sex glow such and

494
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,960
Speaker 1: it was also like a I made him change his

495
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:19,400
Speaker 1: plans I want. Yeah that's a thing. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah,

496
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 1: I definitely think she had that yeah, being like he

497
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 1: said this, but yeah, I mean but look at me. Yeah, yeah,

498
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 1: like I'm so hot and seductive that I changed the

499
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 1: course of bachelor history. But I mean, go her, go her. Yeah,

500
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 1: but do you get it? She got what she wanted

501
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:42,200
Speaker 1: because I'm unfamiliar with this mindset. Um, do you think

502
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 1: that happens when he said, hey, we're not going to

503
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:46,399
Speaker 1: do you think she said I'm going to take the

504
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 1: power back? Like, is that part of it? Am? I No?

505
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:53,959
Speaker 1: I think maybe something just happened between them during that night.

506
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 1: I don't think it. I mean, you never know when

507
00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:59,399
Speaker 1: I wasn't obviously in there. But um, but like I

508
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:04,400
Speaker 1: think I think that they were just I mean, were

509
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 1: they Do they have the room with like the bathtub,

510
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 1: with like the like yeah, Like I don't know. I

511
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 1: think you walk in there being like this is pretty

512
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 1: chromatic and well that's what I was thinking too. Are

513
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:16,199
Speaker 1: they going to just go in the bath and then

514
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:18,440
Speaker 1: show each other naked and then just feel like we

515
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 1: can't we can't. Sorry? Yeah, Like I just think I

516
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 1: don't know, Like yeah, I mean, and like, let's let's

517
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:30,640
Speaker 1: like frame this a little bit for all parties involved.

518
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 1: I wasn't necessarily kidding when I said that, You've been

519
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:40,159
Speaker 1: dating and kissing and rubbing up against and traveling the

520
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 1: world in the most romantic dates and looking really good

521
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:46,680
Speaker 1: yourself and seeing other people look really good for three,

522
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,119
Speaker 1: you know, close to three months now, Like that's a

523
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 1: there's a lot going on inside of a human no

524
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:57,120
Speaker 1: matter what kind of like boundaries you set physically, you're

525
00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:01,360
Speaker 1: an adult male and female, and you're feeling a lot

526
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 1: like you're your your hormones are raging, you're like a

527
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,119
Speaker 1: teenager again, and you haven't had a lot of the

528
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:11,440
Speaker 1: loane time, and so there's just a lot. So you

529
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 1: get in a room with somebody who's beautiful. Zach's a

530
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 1: beautiful man. God, he's a beautiful girl. And like, I'm

531
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 1: not surprised. None of this is shocking to this point, right.

532
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 1: The only shocking part is Zach thought he was not

533
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 1: going to or he had set some boundary not to.

534
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 1: But none of this is shocking, and none of this

535
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 1: is unfamiliar territory to the Bachelor world. It happens every

536
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 1: season at some level, right if you and you're staying

537
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 1: in a bed with somebody, so either you're just like

538
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 1: making out and you're setting that like everybody's made out.

539
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 1: I'm sure Shan Lowe like made out real hard with

540
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 1: like all of his people, even you know, he might

541
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 1: have been able to stop himself. Everybody's making out. You've

542
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 1: done it all season. So the conversation with Jesse is

543
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:01,719
Speaker 1: somewhat worthy to be skipped over, he tells Jesse except

544
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 1: for the fact it was hilarious. It was hilarious, and Jesse,

545
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 1: I think I couldn't tell if he knew what was

546
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 1: going to be said going into it, because he's kind

547
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 1: of like drinking as like Zach talking and he stopped.

548
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 1: He's like, it was like, ohh And I know from

549
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 1: like Chris's experience, they don't alway, the host doesn't always

550
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 1: know what's happening, right, because there's that shock factor. And

551
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 1: it felt like if you watched it closely, like Jesse

552
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 1: had sprinted across the resort to get to the room

553
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 1: on time. He was like, Jesse's a fit male. He

554
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 1: works out and he was like out of breath. He's Zach,

555
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 1: what's going on? Man? And they sit down. Jesse has

556
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 1: a glass of water like I'm sweating, and he's a

557
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 1: little shocked. So Zach admits that that that Gabby and

558
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 1: Zach slept together. Oh wait, I have something to say here.

559
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 1: Why do you think that Zach would tell production this?

560
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 1: This is where it's like what was he thinking? Like? Why? Okay,

561
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 1: so he sleeps with Gabby? Why do you think that

562
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 1: he went to his producer and was like, you know what,

563
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 1: we did it? Yeah? How much grinding do you think

564
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 1: that they needed to do? Well? Zach keeps phrasing this,

565
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 1: and this is where we're going to get into now

566
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 1: the meat of the episode. There's some phrases that Zach

567
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 1: uses that I think are a little confusing to Katie

568
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 1: and to Gabby. Zach says, I can't lie is kind

569
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 1: of his excuse here. I just can't lie. But there's

570
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 1: no lying involved here in my opinion. Right, he told

571
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 1: Ariel that he wasn't going to have sex this week.

572
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 1: That was something, you know, So maybe he had to

573
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 1: tell Ariel that, hey, I messed up. Maybe I don't

574
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 1: even think it's appropriate. Yeah, but there's no lying involved.

575
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 1: It's a it's it's not even a secret. It is

576
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 1: a moment with somebody you care about that you feel

577
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:51,480
Speaker 1: like needs to be kept between the two of you. Yeah,

578
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 1: So I don't know. You know why he told production

579
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 1: is he is he kind of does my whole self

580
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 1: describing thing where he's like, I'm just too honest of

581
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 1: a human. I have a huge art and I just

582
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 1: I gotta be honest and I'm like, no, like, you

583
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 1: don't in this situation give it yourself. Okay, well it hypothetical.

584
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 1: Here he goes, he keeps things to himself. He ends

585
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 1: up where you have to assume in this case that

586
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 1: he doesn't pick Gabby, because if he picks Gabby, no problem. Yeah,

587
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 1: between the two of them forever. Yeah. So he goes

588
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 1: and he picks Katie. Then he's supposed to tell Katie

589
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 1: in private after the engagement. Yeah, and then how is

590
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 1: that going to go cross? Do you think it'll go

591
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 1: cross better? Yeah? You know why? Because she never knew

592
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 1: was his plan. Yeah, she never knew was his plan.

593
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 1: And I've been in this environment before, right, So you know,

594
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 1: after the engagement, you typically have a week just the

595
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 1: couple in the same place that you got engaged with him,

596
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 1: and most couples that I know from the show spend

597
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 1: that week breaking down all that's happened in the last

598
00:31:57,760 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 1: three months, because there's a lot of trauma and emotion

599
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:04,479
Speaker 1: that exists, especially for the person you know chosen who

600
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 1: is a contestant, and you kind of open up the

601
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 1: door to say ask anything you want, anything you don't

602
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 1: want to know, don't ask me, you know, But if

603
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 1: if you want to know something, ask me and I'll

604
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 1: I'll try to make sense of it. I don't know

605
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 1: if I'll be able to. This thing was weird. I'm

606
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 1: just happy we're here now. I'm happy we're in this

607
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 1: environment where we exist together. But if you want to

608
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 1: know something, you're now my partner for life in a sense,

609
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 1: you would expect to at least at that point, and

610
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 1: so ask me, and I'll have to tell you. But

611
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 1: if you don't want to know it, don't ask it.

612
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 1: So you know what happened. I think is that he

613
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 1: was looking out for his own image, because if no,

614
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 1: he wasn't, nobody would have known that they were on

615
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 1: the that they had sex. Nobody had to know. Nobody

616
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 1: had to know, and I think that's good. A good

617
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 1: point here is nobody had to know, and there wouldn't

618
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 1: have necessarily been anything wrong with nobody knowing, especially when

619
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 1: it comes to something private and intimate, which is the

620
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 1: fantasy suite. I think that is a private, intimate moment.

621
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,239
Speaker 1: And I also think at that point in time, if

622
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 1: anybody did need to know, that was definitely Gabby's decision

623
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 1: for people to know. It wasn't just Zach's that's not

624
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 1: just Zach's choice. Yea, And so Zach tells Katie. Katie's

625
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 1: reaction is like just amazingly real. You don't always know

626
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 1: if you're gonna get real moments on the show, but

627
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 1: her reaction is like how anybody would react in the

628
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 1: real world, especially at first where she's confused. M she's

629
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 1: thrown off beating so far. Yeah, I can't look at

630
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 1: you down, like there's distance, Like I know that feeling

631
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 1: where all of a sudden there's distance between you, like

632
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 1: you almost like I can't even look at this person

633
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 1: because it hurts so much you felt it for her. Yeah,

634
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 1: and she makes comments like we laughed about where she's like,

635
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 1: what did you want me to do? Give you a

636
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 1: high five, like saying, yeah, you did it, Like Zach,

637
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 1: I didn't need to know. This is what she's saying.

638
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 1: The whole time. She said she assumed it, like I

639
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 1: knew could happen. I don't need to confirm it, like yeah,

640
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 1: and she's said, now I have the image in my head. Yeah,

641
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 1: So Zach, here I think is in a spiral of

642
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:30,399
Speaker 1: bad choices, um and off to the side here where

643
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,320
Speaker 1: we're not really at this moment thinking too much about

644
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:36,919
Speaker 1: is Gabby, who all of a sudden we start thinking

645
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 1: a lot about because we have a scene where Gabby

646
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,759
Speaker 1: says something that really like broke my heart and it did.

647
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 1: Let Yeah, she says, I feel like I have the

648
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 1: scarlet A on my chest and she is, Yeah, And

649
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 1: I think people will support her because they can relate

650
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 1: and feel where she's at. I think people are not

651
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:59,360
Speaker 1: gonna be mean to Gabby, I hope based on this.

652
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 1: But Gabby just all of a sudden, I think is

653
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 1: feeling a lot of emotions, and shame is now one

654
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 1: of them because she tells us that she has the

655
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:13,240
Speaker 1: scarlet letter on her chest, which yea is a powerful

656
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 1: book if you ever read it. But it is a

657
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 1: moment where my heart breaks because this is a personal

658
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 1: moment for Gabby. She thought it was personal. She thought

659
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 1: this person cared about her so much that like this

660
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 1: was a moment that they could keep between the two

661
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 1: of them. And now I think his choice to tell

662
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 1: Katie is reassuring Gabby once again that maybe she is

663
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:40,400
Speaker 1: second because he didn't care enough about her to keep

664
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 1: it private. Yeah, and he had to tell Katie. He

665
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:47,399
Speaker 1: never goes and tells Ariel I mean, I know he's

666
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 1: he knows he's going to eliminate Ariel, but yeah, I

667
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 1: felt I just felt for Gabby in that whole situation

668
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 1: because I just think all the insecurities that she had

669
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 1: before their fantasies eat, it's just coming back up again.

670
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 1: I think she felt reassured after their night together and

671
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 1: felt confident, it felt good about what they shared and

672
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 1: just like through conversations or through being intimate and then

673
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,880
Speaker 1: for it to be like announced to the world, announced

674
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 1: to Katie and yeah, she's like like why did he?

675
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 1: I think She's gonna go in her head being like

676
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 1: why did he have to tell her? Like is she it? Yeah?

677
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 1: She said, so why did she have to do? Why

678
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 1: did we have? Then? Why did now what? Like I

679
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 1: think she's just like now I'm second. I'm obviously second.

680
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 1: He had to tell her because he wouldn't be telling

681
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:38,359
Speaker 1: her if it was me. At the end, I think

682
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 1: that's just gonna and she's just gonna break down now,

683
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 1: and I just I just feel for her because it's

684
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 1: just unfair and just I hope she goes down in

685
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 1: a blaze of glory, Like I hope she goes down

686
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 1: like this is ridiculous, like, you made this declaration, you know,

687
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:55,839
Speaker 1: this is what happened between us. You said you had

688
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 1: to tell Katie. I think it's very obvious why he

689
00:36:58,200 --> 00:36:59,800
Speaker 1: had to tell Katie. I think it's very obvious that

690
00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 1: the point to Gabby because I think the question that

691
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 1: she asks is why do you have to tell Katie?

692
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 1: You know? Yeah, and and and Zach is continuing to

693
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 1: reassure reinforce this. Well, if we're going to end up

694
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 1: engage at the end of this um, this person needs

695
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 1: to know what happened. And it's like, well, if we

696
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 1: end up gage at the end of this, I'm the

697
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 1: only one that needs to know what happened. Yeah, I'm like,

698
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 1: I'm leaving right there on that rose ceremony. I'm saying

699
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 1: I'm not accepting this UM. I know what's coming ahead,

700
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 1: and I'm gone. But wait, she says that. She says,

701
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:35,359
Speaker 1: I don't even know if I want to accept this rose.

702
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 1: And now, if we're thinking about Blaze of Glory moments,

703
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 1: it would have been great if she did that in

704
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 1: that moment and just been like, I don't know if

705
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:48,439
Speaker 1: I could accept this rose or just not. Yeah, because

706
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 1: I think she didn't have enough time to know how

707
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 1: she was going to feel in that moment up there

708
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:54,840
Speaker 1: with Katie. I think if she knew how she was

709
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 1: going to feel in that line, you know, in that

710
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 1: scarlet letter moment, I think she may have done it.

711
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,279
Speaker 1: I think she may have denied the rose. But now

712
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 1: I think she'll let it simmer a little bit longer

713
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 1: and realize it's the only way of doing it. We also, yeah,

714
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about like previews, do we ever see her

715
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 1: like walking up to the podium. Probably not, Like I

716
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:18,919
Speaker 1: really hope that she No, I really hope she breaks

717
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:20,839
Speaker 1: up with him before he could break up with her.

718
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:23,840
Speaker 1: I mean, I think, and so to kind of summarize

719
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:27,360
Speaker 1: this whole episode, I think we all agree here and

720
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:30,280
Speaker 1: tell me if we don't. Zach didn't need to tell Katie.

721
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 1: The only reason that he felt like he needed to

722
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 1: is because Katie was the one at the end and

723
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 1: he felt like she was his future fiance, and that

724
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 1: he feels like the future fiance needs to know what

725
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 1: happened in these fantasy suites. Katie is pretty clear that no,

726
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 1: she doesn't. And if you did give her that week

727
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 1: after the show's done and you open up the door

728
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 1: and said ask anything. I don't think she asks this.

729
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 1: I don't think she has any interest. I think she

730
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 1: again says I assumed, and the assumption was enough, and

731
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 1: the assumption was hard enough. But I don't need to

732
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:08,359
Speaker 1: know that this happened. I have one more thing to add.

733
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 1: They don't show the morning after with Katie. Wasn't that weird?

734
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:17,400
Speaker 1: It is weird. Yeah, they were like the person to

735
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 1: cut us out, We're gonna cut that out. Yeah that

736
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:25,359
Speaker 1: we don't have any like comparison moment, And yeah, that's

737
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:28,319
Speaker 1: a good point, Ashley. I wonder what the conversation looked

738
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:30,840
Speaker 1: like between Katie and Zach in the fantasy suits, Like

739
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,840
Speaker 1: once the doors close, because what happens is you're filmed

740
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 1: all day. You close that door and nobody's there. It's gone.

741
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 1: It's the first time and over, you know, two and

742
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 1: a half months that you haven't had a camera around

743
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:45,360
Speaker 1: you or anybody else standing within five feet of you.

744
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 1: The fantasy suits are a very private, quiet moment, and

745
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 1: there's no glitz and glamor to it other than the

746
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 1: fact that the two of you are there. It's a

747
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 1: little bit weird at first. You're like a little weird

748
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 1: because there's also still like no music, no TV. So

749
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 1: it's like pure silence unless you guys are talking looking

750
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:03,360
Speaker 1: to each other. So I wonder once that got closed,

751
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 1: if Katie, I'm hoping Katie like I was like, so

752
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 1: what are we gonna do? Like, let's talk through now

753
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 1: where your decision lies, Zach, Like you made this declaration

754
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 1: I guess just to Aeriel because you never really made

755
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:18,239
Speaker 1: it to me, and then you've messed it up with

756
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 1: Gabby like, Zach, like where you at and all of this.

757
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,360
Speaker 1: I think that conversation probably was very awkward, and I

758
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:28,840
Speaker 1: hope she leaned in a bit too, Zach. The cameras

759
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:32,240
Speaker 1: are gone, like wake up a little bit, like stop

760
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 1: doing whatever your cycle of like telling what you're saying,

761
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 1: telling the truth, Like stop this cycle of telling the

762
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 1: truth right now and just be real to each individual relationship.

763
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 1: I don't know, it'd be a very awkward moment. I

764
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 1: feel like once that door closed, especially for Zach, I

765
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 1: bet Zach stuck his tail between his legs like I'm sorry,

766
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:54,720
Speaker 1: I messed up. Yeah, which is why I was excited

767
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:56,919
Speaker 1: to see what the vibe was the morning after, because

768
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 1: we all know that those vibes are very crucial think

769
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 1: about Like Culton and Tatia, everybody knew something was off right, Yeah, yeah,

770
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 1: pretty obvious. So now we know, yeah we know? Well,

771
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:18,799
Speaker 1: uh to to flash back then h to to all

772
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:22,320
Speaker 1: of this, Katie turns and says, no, I want to

773
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 1: continue this thing. Um. After some time away from Zach,

774
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:32,759
Speaker 1: she's obviously very interested in Zach. I wonder what that

775
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 1: process was like for her. We didn't get to see

776
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 1: a lot of the kind of moments away. I really

777
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 1: thought that she wasn't going to return. And uh, and

778
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:45,840
Speaker 1: I don't think Zach ever believed she wasn't going to return,

779
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,320
Speaker 1: because when she walks up and they have their overnight

780
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:52,440
Speaker 1: date or their dinner portion, he acts very calm and collected, like,

781
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:55,879
Speaker 1: let's go walk inside, let's have a great night. Um.

782
00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 1: I don't think he ever imagined that she wouldn't come back.

783
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 1: And I want or why because I really didn't think

784
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 1: she was going to come back. Maybe because she just

785
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 1: despite being really honest and raw and we loved it

786
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:14,880
Speaker 1: when he told her. She didn't like freak out, she

787
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,799
Speaker 1: didn't like run away. She did seem like she wanted

788
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 1: to have like the maturity and collectiveness to kind of

789
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:25,320
Speaker 1: think through it. I gotta give Katie a lot of

790
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 1: credit here in this as well, because even standing with

791
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:33,279
Speaker 1: Gabby at the end after the rose ceremony, when Zach

792
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 1: walks aerial out, there's there's no like we've seen hard

793
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 1: words or like people have confrontation in those moments, and

794
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 1: she didn't you know, I know she probably imagined it

795
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 1: was hard for Gabby as well. Katie did keep a

796
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,839
Speaker 1: calm about her. She spoke a lot of like really

797
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 1: wise things to Zach, even saying, you know, I assumed it.

798
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:56,800
Speaker 1: I didn't need to know this. Would you want me

799
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 1: to do? Give you a high five? Like go get him, buddy,

800
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:03,359
Speaker 1: Katie hendered yourself really well. We've always been a Katie

801
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 1: fan here. So the last telling point Aero does go home,

802
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 1: Gabby and Katie are standing with Zach at the podium

803
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 1: at the end, and Gabby's right Zach is not making

804
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 1: eye contact with her. In fact, I know it was

805
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:24,399
Speaker 1: awkward to watch. Whoa it was so crazy again, leave

806
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 1: the drop the rose. I haven't dropped the mic moment,

807
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 1: but I dropped the rose moment and leave it was

808
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 1: so awkward. We know we know that this is one

809
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 1: of his telltale signs when he's not making eye contact

810
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 1: with you, he's done with you. Mcknn. I know you

811
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:43,399
Speaker 1: haven't watched the whole season. This is what he does.

812
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 1: I've seen like some like memes a little here, like

813
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 1: his face when you know he's not interested, he's like

814
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:52,880
Speaker 1: he pulls away kind of and then he's like like

815
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 1: lighting up a bit. But I think, well, Gabby like

816
00:43:57,160 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 1: she could obviously sense that, like he was like looking

817
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 1: at Katie. But I also didn't Katie just say to

818
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:05,800
Speaker 1: her like I knew it was you, m right. So

819
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:09,799
Speaker 1: I think she's also just like like Katie said, okay,

820
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 1: so I can't quite make that act I knew it

821
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 1: was you. Yeah, she was like I think she was

822
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 1: like closing her mouth like kind of just whispering it

823
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 1: to her, like and what since like a mean sense

824
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 1: or just like I knew it was you that would

825
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:23,400
Speaker 1: be here. No, I think that like she said, like

826
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 1: I felt it as like I knew you guys had

827
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:32,319
Speaker 1: sex or something. Yeah, like something I thought in that moment,

828
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 1: even though I didn't quite get what she said, Oh,

829
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 1: I was interpreting it as like I knew that you

830
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 1: were the one that he would have he slapped away

831
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:43,240
Speaker 1: like yeah, that's why I thought, yeah, because they're friends.

832
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think I didn't get that. Like

833
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:47,840
Speaker 1: Katie was like quietly digging at Gabby there being like no,

834
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:50,359
Speaker 1: I know, I don't know. It was like I think

835
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 1: it was just like in that moment they might have

836
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 1: just forgotten first hot second that they were dating the

837
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 1: same guy. I think she was just like I know

838
00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 1: he was like. I think it was like a like

839
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:02,759
Speaker 1: a jokingly friendly like best friend thing, being like I

840
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 1: knew it was you, and then I think, you know,

841
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 1: Gabby's like, I mean he did tell me he was

842
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 1: going to go tell someone, but I didn't think like

843
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:12,399
Speaker 1: this confirms that he did tell everyone, like tell someone

844
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 1: that we have sex and we didn't talk about the Yeah,

845
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:19,439
Speaker 1: the conversation that he went back to Gabby and was like, hey,

846
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 1: just letting you know, I'm gonna tell and then she

847
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 1: was like, uh, she had like the biggest eck. I

848
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 1: felt like she was kind. He was like yeah, okay,

849
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:33,360
Speaker 1: like why like so what I seeing you again? But

850
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 1: now you're gonna go like and he kept saying like

851
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 1: it was really nice, like it was really good, Like

852
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:40,320
Speaker 1: I felt like he kept saying like the night. It

853
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:42,800
Speaker 1: was great night, Like this has nothing to do with you.

854
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,279
Speaker 1: I just need to tell everyone, like, yeah, that that

855
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 1: was the moment where it was the selfish moment. Yeah,

856
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 1: so yeah, I have to read myself a guilt on that. Obviously,

857
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:51,839
Speaker 1: the three of us are agreeing that he didn't need

858
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 1: to tell that it was a very weird decision. M mckinnas.

859
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 1: Something we try to do here is at least explain

860
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:02,279
Speaker 1: the other side. And I don't know if there'll be

861
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 1: people in support of what Zach did here and at

862
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:11,359
Speaker 1: least in support of what his intentions were here. Can

863
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:16,880
Speaker 1: any of us maybe explain, like from Zach's perspective that

864
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:19,879
Speaker 1: he was right in telling you, Okay, at the beginning

865
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 1: of the episode, I did say that, like I understand him,

866
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 1: like some people on Katie's side would want to know

867
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 1: that it happened and some wouldn't. Yeah, and that's from

868
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 1: the Katie perspective. As far as the correctness of him

869
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 1: doing so, that is not correct correct at least in

870
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 1: that moment, you know, like if they wanted, if she

871
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 1: wanted to know once they were alone or whatever, then okay,

872
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:49,880
Speaker 1: but that's like for her to inquire about. Yeah, I

873
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 1: think even though that also it's yeah, yeah, such a

874
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 1: weird situation. I think, like kind of what you said, Ben,

875
00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 1: like at the end, when he chooses who he wants

876
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:01,400
Speaker 1: to be with, I think that could have been a

877
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 1: moment where he was open and told her like you

878
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 1: weren't the only person I've been intimate with here, or

879
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:10,479
Speaker 1: like if she didn't want to know, if she didn't

880
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 1: want to know, And I just think I just in

881
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 1: the whole, I just I can't stop feeling for Gabby

882
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 1: in this, Like, I just think I think he's just

883
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 1: forgetting that like two people shared a very intimate night

884
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 1: and that like I don't know, like I just like

885
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 1: I can feel that he just wanted to get it

886
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 1: off his chest. But I think he just forgot that

887
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:36,719
Speaker 1: there are two people that also, like you know, there's

888
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:38,759
Speaker 1: another person that went through that and like that maybe

889
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:41,920
Speaker 1: maybe ask her like did thank you on everyone? That

890
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 1: goes back to our conversation before. It's just like it

891
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 1: was all about like his decision making. Yeah, he had

892
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:50,360
Speaker 1: to get off his chest a private thing. You know,

893
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 1: we've on this show, we've had seasons that are very

894
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 1: sex positive. We've had seasons I can't remember a season that,

895
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 1: you know, we have characters that are not very sex positive,

896
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 1: you know, to their own, you know default, probably because

897
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 1: they don't exactly know what that means. It doesn't mean

898
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 1: you have to go out and have a bunch of sex.

899
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 1: It just means that, like, it's a topic, you know,

900
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 1: that's powerful worth discussing, and it's an individual dance between

901
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:18,839
Speaker 1: you know, couples or people in general. And so we've

902
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 1: we've had these conversations kind of come in and out

903
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 1: for years and I can't necessarily describe this as being

904
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 1: sex positive or not. But what I do know is

905
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:34,720
Speaker 1: that sex is a very powerful thing that is between

906
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:37,759
Speaker 1: two people, and it is very intimate. And I do

907
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 1: think I do think there's two points that I one,

908
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 1: I'm is more of like a I'm confused by two.

909
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:45,880
Speaker 1: The second is I do think Zach messed up and

910
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:48,839
Speaker 1: did not allow Gabby to have a voice and how

911
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 1: this was explained and how this was communicated, and how

912
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 1: this was done in front of national television and her

913
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 1: friends and other people. I think that was unfair to

914
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 1: Gabby and I would stand on that to anybody said, no,

915
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 1: Zach was trying to do the right thing. Sure, I

916
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:06,359
Speaker 1: don't think he was like trying to do the wrong thing.

917
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:10,760
Speaker 1: I just think that he wasn't considering somebody else's feelings

918
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:17,280
Speaker 1: and emotions in this The second is from Zach's perspective

919
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 1: for a guy that didn't want to have sex at

920
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 1: the beginning of this episode, like, don't talk about it,

921
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 1: like now we all know, Like just keep it quiet.

922
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 1: Like when I was on this show, like I felt

923
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:32,800
Speaker 1: weird at times making out with somebody. It's weird right there.

924
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 1: These are typically very intimate, quiet moments that are isolated

925
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 1: from the public. Guess what, my hands in the air

926
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 1: because I have something crucial to say. Go. Shan Low

927
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 1: never said that he was a born again virgin on

928
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 1: the show, and I know that I can't speak because

929
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 1: I definitely was like, hey, guess when I'm a first

930
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:50,759
Speaker 1: roar in Vergion, right, But like he was a born

931
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:53,920
Speaker 1: again virgin, his plan in his head was to not

932
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 1: have sex with any of those fantasies to contestants. And

933
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:01,280
Speaker 1: guess what. It was never mentioned because he kept it private.

934
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:06,800
Speaker 1: And that's what. Yeah, maybe Sean did Sean tell him that, Sean,

935
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:09,840
Speaker 1: where are you? Yeah? You gotta give him every detail

936
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 1: and look at how it worked out for Sean right,

937
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 1: he had a flawless experience all the way through, And

938
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 1: it wasn't until like after the fact, like six months

939
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:24,919
Speaker 1: later you saw magazine cover as being like Sean Virgin, Yeah,

940
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:28,239
Speaker 1: like waiting till their wedding night. You'd never heard of

941
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 1: it until way after a fact. I'm just shocked at

942
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:34,320
Speaker 1: some point, Zach, maybe he z Act's gotten so comfortable

943
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:35,879
Speaker 1: in front of the cameras where he's like, yeah, I'm

944
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 1: just gonna talk about these things and I don't really

945
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:40,400
Speaker 1: care who watches or who has an opinion on it's

946
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:43,320
Speaker 1: It's weird to me. I mean, it's just different because

947
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:47,839
Speaker 1: I was, like I always felt very like more protective

948
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:50,400
Speaker 1: or like not ashamed. I don't want to like embarrassed

949
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:53,160
Speaker 1: to talk about it, to have to like explain it,

950
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 1: or to even like be like physical with somebody in

951
00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 1: front of a camera. Knowing that my grandma was going

952
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:01,400
Speaker 1: to be watching beside me one day, like that always

953
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:04,279
Speaker 1: felt weird to me. I was thinking about Gabby's family

954
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:08,400
Speaker 1: last night at her dad, her sweet dad is literally

955
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:11,960
Speaker 1: having to hear we had sex, which immediately puts in

956
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 1: your head the image of your child having sex yeah. Yeah,

957
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:19,759
Speaker 1: it's like it's so much different, you know, you know

958
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 1: it could happen. Yeah, yeah, you assume like they get

959
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 1: married like cool. Yes, yeah, but you don't want to

960
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 1: picture it. No, And when you say it as a fact,

961
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:32,319
Speaker 1: you picture it. But if it's as Sam, you don't necessarily. Yeah.

962
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 1: It's kind of like saying, hey, don't think about elephants.

963
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 1: All of a sudden, We're all thinking about elephants, So

964
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 1: I do. I think I would stay in firm on

965
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 1: this episode. Again, it was an intriguing episode. I felt

966
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 1: like I was watching and wanting to know what happened

967
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 1: around every turn and every people's emotions, and that's part

968
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 1: of the show. But I feel for Gabby. I hope

969
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:58,680
Speaker 1: Gabby's getting the support that she deserves and needs right now.

970
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:02,360
Speaker 1: I think Zach messed up big time and did not

971
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 1: at all take into account that there's two people involved

972
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 1: here and that Gabby's Gabby would ultimately be affected by this.

973
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:13,440
Speaker 1: Because Zach and whoever he ends up with at the end,

974
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:15,640
Speaker 1: which we're gonna assume as Katie, are going to run

975
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:18,320
Speaker 1: off into the sunset, He's gonna get weird interviews. I

976
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:20,239
Speaker 1: know that where people are gonna ask about this now,

977
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:23,880
Speaker 1: and that's very awkward, and she's gonna be sitting beside

978
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:28,279
Speaker 1: him while it's happening. But Gabby's also going to be

979
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 1: asked about it, and she's gonna have to relive this

980
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 1: and she's gonna have to live through this and that's

981
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:35,280
Speaker 1: not fair to her. And it didn't need to happen

982
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 1: at least in my opinion, And some people might disagree.

983
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 1: I would love to hear your thoughts. I'd love to

984
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:54,120
Speaker 1: hear why you disagree. But it just didn't need happen. Okay,

985
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 1: we have Bachelor headlines to break down, so let's jump

986
00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:00,400
Speaker 1: into it right now. It's Bachelor headlines. I'll throw it

987
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 1: back and forth between the two of you. Um here,

988
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:05,960
Speaker 1: we're gonna start with Ashley. Bachelor and Paradise Canada revealed

989
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:08,879
Speaker 1: its season two casts and so many of them are

990
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 1: from Ontario. Actually, McKenna, this is one. Yeah. I was

991
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:18,960
Speaker 1: watching because I watched The Bachelor on CITYTV, so I

992
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:21,440
Speaker 1: was I got to see all them introducing it through

993
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:26,759
Speaker 1: the commercial breaks of every person that's on it. Um, yeah,

994
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 1: looks it looks really, it looks good and exciting. There. Um,

995
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 1: I know Chelsea's on it from Chelsea as in like

996
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 1: the Chelsea from America. Yeah, she's on it from Matt season. Um,

997
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 1: Connor's on it. Connor Soley, No Connor, the other Connor

998
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:51,880
Speaker 1: con Um who was the one on Katie season that

999
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:58,440
Speaker 1: was with the cat Connor Cat Connor from Nashville. Um

1000
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:03,800
Speaker 1: that there were some other people on it from I

1001
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:06,359
Speaker 1: think just didn't like they kind of went home pretty early.

1002
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 1: So I don't really know exactly who they are, but

1003
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:10,880
Speaker 1: they are. There are a couple from like I think

1004
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:14,719
Speaker 1: Katie season, and I feel like I should like pull

1005
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:19,319
Speaker 1: it up. But there wasn't a lot of like big

1006
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 1: names like from like older like it was more so

1007
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:27,000
Speaker 1: like recent. Okay, Um, I swear I saw a preview

1008
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 1: with Demi for some reason that was like I'm back.

1009
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:34,560
Speaker 1: M Well, wait, question, do they have like a full

1010
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:37,560
Speaker 1: blown Bachelor and Bachelorette in Canada right now? Because I

1011
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:39,600
Speaker 1: know it's like on and on. No, so like years

1012
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:44,319
Speaker 1: ago they did. Yeah, I don't really do that. Well, um,

1013
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:47,640
Speaker 1: but but they're good yea. Um, but they had a

1014
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:50,239
Speaker 1: season last year and so what they do is they

1015
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:53,439
Speaker 1: have some like bachel Nation fan they put in the mix,

1016
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 1: and then they have some people from season one that

1017
00:54:57,760 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 1: was last year that were I think fans and then

1018
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 1: and are now back because they were on the first season.

1019
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 1: And they throw in some like a lamb that we're

1020
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:09,719
Speaker 1: on the American one. Okay, so it's a hodgepodge. Yeah,

1021
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:14,239
Speaker 1: it's kind of like a little mixture up there. But yeah,

1022
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:18,359
Speaker 1: well it's a beautiful cast. I'm looking through it. Um yeah,

1023
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:21,280
Speaker 1: this is uh, there's just a lot of jack dudes

1024
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 1: and a lot of beautiful women. Um, so I'm sure

1025
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:26,799
Speaker 1: the beach is going to be incredible. Next headline, it's

1026
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:31,960
Speaker 1: hosted by Charlene Yeah, Lee and Kevin's Lavart and er Believe. Yeah, yeah,

1027
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:35,239
Speaker 1: that's really cool. I can't what a gig man. I

1028
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:39,920
Speaker 1: know she's looking great up there too. She's doing awesome.

1029
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:42,879
Speaker 1: Next headline isn't one that we necessarily need to break down,

1030
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 1: but it's something cool that was posting on Instagram. Clear

1031
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:52,440
Speaker 1: Crawley shares matching tattoos with husband Ryan Dawkins, mom plus dad. Now,

1032
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:56,880
Speaker 1: some and you two would know this, especially you Actually

1033
00:55:56,920 --> 00:56:00,320
Speaker 1: some were going, oh, this is crazy, let's celebrate that

1034
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:05,920
Speaker 1: Clear is pregnant. But I don't think that's what this means. No,

1035
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 1: does she even say what she thinks it means? Well,

1036
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:15,520
Speaker 1: I believe from my research that she is now a stepmom.

1037
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:18,320
Speaker 1: That Ryan, Yeah, is that what is referring to? I

1038
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:21,719
Speaker 1: know she's a stepmom? You think that's what? Do the

1039
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:28,080
Speaker 1: tattoos say? Mom plus mom and dad? And then Ryan

1040
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:31,359
Speaker 1: commented under Claire's post and said Claire is the best

1041
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:38,359
Speaker 1: bonus mom ever, So stepmomm Huh, I think there's more

1042
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:42,600
Speaker 1: to this, There's there's gotta be more to this, right Yeah,

1043
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:44,680
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I think I mean, there's not

1044
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:46,320
Speaker 1: more to the story right now, but I feel like

1045
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:49,040
Speaker 1: we will find out more soon. Yeah. Yeah, within the

1046
00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:52,040
Speaker 1: next five years. I bet. I bet these tattoos continue.

1047
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:58,880
Speaker 1: Becca Tilly reveals meaningful surprise from girlfriend Hailey, grateful to

1048
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:03,560
Speaker 1: experience a love like this, Ashley, this is yours breakdown.

1049
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:07,719
Speaker 1: It was a soorrible Okay. So Becca has you know,

1050
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:11,319
Speaker 1: been raised very Christian. She went to church all the time,

1051
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:13,360
Speaker 1: She went to a Christian school, Sunday School, all the

1052
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:15,839
Speaker 1: stuff growing up. And then she said that ever since

1053
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 1: moving to la she hasn't really found a church to

1054
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:21,200
Speaker 1: like really call her own, to feel very comfortable in

1055
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:25,040
Speaker 1: and to go regularly and just feel part of the community.

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Speaker 1: was one church in particular that I think she was

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Speaker 1: Sunday morning. So to surprise, she gets her in the

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Speaker 1: and then we ended up at a church, and Haley

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Speaker 1: Becca is one of the if not the most incredible

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Speaker 1: he said, not the most, which means that you're you're

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Speaker 1: putting her above your wife. No, she's not above my wife,

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Speaker 1: but she's been incredible to my wife. You know, Jessica

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Speaker 1: is a very quiet, like introverted person and Becca till

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Speaker 1: he kind of like wrapped her around like Becca's arms

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Speaker 1: a story of Becca being loved on and happy makes

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Speaker 1: me happy. Yeah, it's so so sweet sweet. Well, mckinneth,

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Speaker 1: thanks for joining us today. That's all we have. We

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Speaker 1: have a finale episode next week. Now I'm actually gonna

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Speaker 1: be out. I'm gonna be on the Venezuelan Colombian border

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Speaker 1: which is reviewing some like healthcare systems that are happening

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Speaker 1: for the refugee crisis. So I'm out. I'm gone. Ashley

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Speaker 1: is gonna take it over all weeks. Yeah, all weeks

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Speaker 1: for you do important global things, you know. Yeah, Well,

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Speaker 1: Ashley is going to have an amazing co host. They're

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Speaker 1: gonna break down the finale episode. So my vote, if

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Speaker 1: will call in from Columbia and freak out because I

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Speaker 1: don't know what's happening anymore. But mckinneth, thanks for joining us.

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Speaker 1: We will have a special episode with you, catching up

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Speaker 1: on your life, everything going on in your life. Very

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Speaker 1: excited to hear more from you, so make sure you

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Speaker 1: tune into arthurrit on The Almost Famous podcast to see

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Speaker 1: mckinna's stand alone episode. But until next time, I've been been,

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Speaker 1: I've been Ashleyna, You've been good. Yeah, all right, we'll

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Speaker 1: see you in Ben right. Follow the Ben and Ashley

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