1 00:00:01,040 --> 00:00:04,560 Speaker 1: Taking a Walk. Music is like a magic thing I 2 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:07,880 Speaker 1: think can do that. It might I may be talking 3 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 1: about you know how some people like will just take 4 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:11,560 Speaker 1: a drug over and over because they're certain of any 5 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 1: day now it's don't know they're going to not need 6 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:17,239 Speaker 1: it anymore, because it's they saw it, you know. I 7 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 1: guess I like keep hoping to get it, whatever it is, 8 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:24,919 Speaker 1: whatever it is, to get with it. I want to 9 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:25,480 Speaker 1: get with it. 10 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 2: I'm Buzz's Night, your host for the Taking a Walk podcast, 11 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 2: the podcast where I talk to musicians about the inside 12 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:36,199 Speaker 2: stories of their creative process, their latest projects, and stories 13 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 2: of the road Today. My guess is a true artist 14 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 2: and a troubadour at heart. Todd Snyder. Todd has an 15 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 2: amazing career as a singer songwriter whose music spans folk, rock, blues, 16 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 2: also with a little bit of all country and funk. 17 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 2: He's currently going on a retrospective journey spanning three decades, 18 00:00:57,320 --> 00:01:03,320 Speaker 2: unveiling his complete discography, included with new recollections, all for 19 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:07,479 Speaker 2: free for his fans. Talking to Todd Snyder right now, 20 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 2: I'm taking a Walk. Todd Snyder, thanks for being on 21 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:13,039 Speaker 2: Taking a Walk. It's an honor to. 22 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:15,400 Speaker 1: Be with you. Yeah, thank you for having me. 23 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 2: So you're unveiling your complete discography and its acoustic glory 24 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 2: recorded at the Purple Building, and each release features these 25 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 2: re recorded versions and personal reflections and it's fruble e free. 26 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 2: Tell me what motivated you to do this for your loyal, 27 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 2: diehard fans. 28 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 1: Mostly I think that I want kids. It was like, 29 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 1: I guess legacy is that the word like when of 30 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 1: them gone? I wanted to make sure that those were 31 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 1: someplace people could hear them. They were like to me, 32 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 1: they're my favorite versions of the songs. Even though it's 33 00:01:57,120 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 1: like because I can do what i'd do on these records, 34 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 1: I got to learn music, play around with different kinds 35 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:10,239 Speaker 1: of music, go through fads, mostly because I could stand 36 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 1: up by myself and tell people how time I made 37 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:15,519 Speaker 1: up a song and play it, and then record companies 38 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:17,239 Speaker 1: be like, if you long I'm a drummer, you can. 39 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 1: I didn't have to. I just wanted to. I wanted 40 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:23,360 Speaker 1: to learn music. But like I said, just naturally, I 41 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 1: feel like I came out of my mom doing that 42 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 1: thing where I liked that these were by myself and 43 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 1: I make up a song and I explain it and 44 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 1: then I play it I can get fed that way. 45 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 2: And really it's been enjoyment first. That has been your motivation, 46 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 2: and then everything else coming second. 47 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mostly wanted to drop out of when I 48 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 1: was young. My plan was to be at like one 49 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 1: of the dead Hitens, Like there's a group of kids 50 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 1: at that time that were just dropping out and being bums. 51 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:59,080 Speaker 1: And then I found guitar and busking, and then that 52 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 1: turned in to a way of life. I found round 53 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 1: with Jack Elliott. It feels like if you're honest, if 54 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 1: you make up honest songs, you can pretty much bullshit 55 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 1: the rest of the time. 56 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 2: Tell me what inspired you first to make music? And 57 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 2: when that was so, you said, literally out of the womb, 58 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 2: you said. 59 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, But really I left home when I 60 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:24,639 Speaker 3: was fifteen and became My friend. 61 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 1: Said I was a gypsy. And then I saw Jerry 62 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 1: Jeff Walker playing and I felt like I was his son. 63 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 1: I felt like I was living what he was singing about. 64 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 1: He was playing by himself and singing linear songs, and 65 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 1: I just thought, That's what I'm supposed to do. I 66 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 1: felt like the way I was living my life at 67 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 1: the time, if I had a guitar where I can 68 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 1: make up songs about whoever was giving me a ride 69 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 1: or let me stay or whatever. I just thought I 70 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 1: would be a way better traveler or whatever. You know. 71 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 1: Then I got bit by the notion of wanting to 72 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 1: make an album. This guy, Keith Sykes, who told me 73 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 1: he said I was good. He is really good friends 74 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 1: with John. He writes with John running guy. My dad 75 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 1: found his address at the bar. Someone at the bar 76 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 1: had his endors. He helped me and got me a 77 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 1: record deal and showed me that if I got a 78 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:18,359 Speaker 1: record deal, I could go around the world. 79 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:21,480 Speaker 2: Do you remember the first song you wrote and what 80 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:22,360 Speaker 2: it was about? 81 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:25,720 Speaker 1: I do? That was I called bus Tubs Do And 82 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:28,919 Speaker 1: I was a bus boy because again I had I 83 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:31,679 Speaker 1: had just seen this Gary jamfs I. I got just things 84 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 1: about his life, and so I made up a song. 85 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 1: I was a bus boy at this place called Peppers 86 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 1: at the Falls, and I made up a song about 87 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:42,479 Speaker 1: how if people didn't finish their meal, I would eat it, 88 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:42,920 Speaker 1: you know. 89 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 3: And when I got up on the stage and didn't and. 90 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 1: Went like, I think I'm supposed to be doing this, 91 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 1: that cemented it. 92 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, And then I made up a couple more went 93 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 4: open mic and I made up it and then I 94 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 4: just made up like fourteen total and started playing right away. 95 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:06,479 Speaker 4: I started playing nineteen when I only had one job 96 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 4: before it was a busboy. 97 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 2: Was that your plan b being a bus boy? 98 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:14,280 Speaker 3: Uh huh, Well that's part of why I felt like 99 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 3: it was. I didn't have anything to. 100 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:20,279 Speaker 1: Fall back on or anything to blow or my parents 101 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 1: weren't going to be ashamed or anything else. Just it 102 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:24,280 Speaker 1: was it was going to be a bus boy, So 103 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 1: why not pour your heart out for a living. And 104 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 1: it's kind of neat. It's an easy grift. Just you 105 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:34,679 Speaker 1: say how you feel, don't bullshit about it and singing 106 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:38,040 Speaker 1: a pleasure chorus and you can get a ride in 107 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 1: you one or you know you end up in the bus. 108 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 2: Tell me about I mean, we could do just a 109 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 2: whole podcast just done the impact of Jerry Jeff on 110 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 2: you and John Prine on you. But tell me how 111 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:56,720 Speaker 2: special they were to know them. 112 00:05:57,320 --> 00:06:01,040 Speaker 1: They were close friends. And when I saw Jerry Jeff, 113 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 1: I went to the record store in San Marcus and 114 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:07,599 Speaker 1: started getting all the records and the guy there, so 115 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:10,600 Speaker 1: you have to try John Prime too. Then I went 116 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:13,599 Speaker 1: and got all his things, obsessed on him, saw him 117 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 1: in Austin, and then he was friends with Keith Sykes, 118 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 1: and so I went down there and I was studying 119 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:24,119 Speaker 1: under Keith. He had just taken me in. I found 120 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 1: out later that this is what we do. Some trouper 121 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:29,920 Speaker 1: door knocks on my door off the levenment. So when 122 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 1: John made the Missing Years, I was getting cigarettes and 123 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 1: everything for everybody, and I knew all his songs. I 124 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 1: could beat him in the tribute contest about himself. He 125 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:45,719 Speaker 1: must have loved that. Hey, we were close, although it 126 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 1: was more father son. I never got jocular with him. 127 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:53,599 Speaker 1: I was always really respectful, like we weren't punching the 128 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 1: shoulder buddies. He would have don't be hard on me sometimes, 129 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 1: but he would also tell me that he loved me. 130 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 2: Who was harder on you, Jerry Jeff or John Jerry Jeff. 131 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 1: I had one time I gave I think thirteen songs 132 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 1: that have just written to John and he said, man, 133 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 1: you got a great that's a great song you got 134 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 1: in there, And that was that was kind of the worst. 135 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 1: But once he said that, that opened the door for 136 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 1: him to show me what he meant by that, and 137 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 1: I got to study songs under him. He got them, 138 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 1: but Jerry Jeff and I bonded on music and asco 139 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 1: rep scaliation or after the show up title, and so 140 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 1: sometimes we'd get into argument. If we couldn't find someone 141 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 1: else to argue with, we'd argue with each other. I 142 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 1: stole his car. I mean we had some ship. One 143 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 1: time me and him were arguing. He drove r I 144 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 1: passed his gig and we ended up in a different town. 145 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 1: He's the freest person I know, or he was. You know. 146 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 1: We liked each other because we didn't have neither of us. 147 00:07:58,000 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 1: Well watch either of you. 148 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, like wore. 149 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 1: A watch or cared about be in someplace. Yeah. 150 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 2: How many fistfights did you get into with Jerry Jeff? 151 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 1: None? 152 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 5: None, just yelling a few times. I like Blue one 153 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 5: of my own shows. He really Shaver hit me. Yeah, 154 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 5: he had stacked all these bills on the kitchen. 155 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 1: Table on me. 156 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 3: We didn't know we messed them up, but he walked 157 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 3: in and just right with his bald up face right 158 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 3: in my mouth and then he hit it me too. 159 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 2: You can't make this up. 160 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 1: Huh mm hmmm. I miss him. He was also a 161 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 1: loud person, Billy Joe Shaver. Yeah, adventurous person, shot. Hello. 162 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 1: That's tough. 163 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 2: Loss is such a terrible part of life, and obviously 164 00:08:56,840 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 2: with John's loss and Jerry Jeff's loss, and then most 165 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 2: recently the loss of another friend who I know you 166 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 2: spoke with all the time, Richard Lewis. Tell me what 167 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 2: Richard meant to you. 168 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 1: I was closer to Richard really than any of them 169 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 1: because he we don't He and I mostly stay to ourselves, 170 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 1: and we get on and off the phone multiple times. 171 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 1: We talked a lot every day. And then I knew 172 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 1: he was getting I mean, he. 173 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:25,199 Speaker 6: Didn't die of what he would say, each had a 174 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:27,720 Speaker 6: heart attack, but he was tired from fighting. 175 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 1: He's had a really bad couple of years with his health. 176 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 1: Like I called him about everything, and that's kind of 177 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 1: the last guy, you know, the last mentor I think 178 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:42,600 Speaker 1: I'm fifty seven, so it's my turn to ask. There's 179 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:45,960 Speaker 1: this kid named Josh morning Star. It's really good. It 180 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 1: just was wroped me this morning. You know, he's going 181 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:53,719 Speaker 1: through some issues and stuff and he called me, and 182 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 1: I guess it's my turn to listen. 183 00:09:57,160 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 2: And how did you first meet Richard? 184 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 7: He wrote me a letter on the computer, just out 185 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 7: of the blue. It was, oh, I know what it 186 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:09,679 Speaker 7: was too. He had a group of this adorable and 187 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:14,199 Speaker 7: this is him to his wife Joyce and him, well 188 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:15,320 Speaker 7: she's still meant to me. 189 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:18,599 Speaker 1: But he had a group of about four guys he 190 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 1: talked to every day all the time, and like two 191 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 1: of them died and he's really neurotic. He couldn't deal 192 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:28,440 Speaker 1: with that. He had his four people, and his wife said, 193 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 1: you got to you have to replace them, and he 194 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 1: sat around thinking about and he wrote me a letter. 195 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 1: I was like, I literally like I kind of looking 196 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 1: for someone to talk to every day. I had this 197 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:40,959 Speaker 1: little group. My wife says I should replace the guys 198 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 1: that were in it. He knew all my albums and stuff, 199 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 1: and I knew everything about him. And I had this 200 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 1: story I tell called about taking mushrooms and I got 201 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 1: home from two of them. He had left it on 202 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 1: my machine, like he told it on my machine, and 203 00:10:56,880 --> 00:11:00,719 Speaker 1: that was the biggest compliment. But he he'd like, who 204 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 1: I've talked about rurals and stuff anything anything. Yeah, Yeah, 205 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 1: Like I had to say, I had a lady break 206 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:11,959 Speaker 1: into my house and he's he has that kind of 207 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 1: stuff all with. 208 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 2: Him, just the oddities of life, right, yeah, yeah, tell 209 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 2: me about your songwriting process, how it works, how do 210 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 2: you turn an idea into a finished song? 211 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 1: Okay, I mean I'm enjoying this, thank you me too. 212 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 1: When I started, it was like this healing thing like 213 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 1: I was. I think it was angry at like my 214 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:39,320 Speaker 1: parents are going through a divorce, and I sang about it, 215 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 1: and it's like manto almost. Of course, you know you're 216 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:46,960 Speaker 1: repeating something. It's like good. So I learned to use 217 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 1: it as a tool like that to get moved past things. 218 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:53,440 Speaker 1: And then that so if it felt like it helped, 219 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:56,080 Speaker 1: I thought it was done, and then it became this 220 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 1: thing I could use at work. Like then there's another 221 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 1: thing like which ones go to work, which wants to 222 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:05,960 Speaker 1: show up for and those are like harder, like to 223 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:09,439 Speaker 1: know if a song is going to move other people. 224 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 1: It's hard trying to. I try not to play songs 225 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:16,200 Speaker 1: that I don't think other people relate to because I 226 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 1: make up some that I know are too singular or whatever. Well, 227 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:23,960 Speaker 1: let's see, there's some that I just It takes a 228 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:27,079 Speaker 1: long time and then one day it's that's a that's 229 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:29,719 Speaker 1: a good question. It takes a while, and then it 230 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:33,079 Speaker 1: feels like at some point I know that it's done. 231 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:37,200 Speaker 1: I wonder how other people do. There's this guy named 232 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 1: Kent Finley who showed me how to do it, like 233 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 1: meter and everything, but trying to say exactly what you're 234 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 1: trying to say and be concise about it and turn 235 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 1: as the release and take the poetry out and ask 236 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 1: yourself while you're really saying this, and you know, make 237 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:58,439 Speaker 1: and make sure there's a it has. It's a rock 238 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 1: that there's something in it. 239 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:03,960 Speaker 3: For me, it's like even dB Cooper, it's just a 240 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 3: story about the guy that jumped out of the plane 241 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 3: that I don't know, but there's a part in there 242 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:12,319 Speaker 3: where I talk about how my dad and I disagree 243 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 3: on what we. 244 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 1: Hope happens to him. And for me, that's the rock 245 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 1: I put my foot on when I sing that song. 246 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:21,760 Speaker 1: And if I don't have something like that in there, 247 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:25,960 Speaker 1: why am I telling people about dB Cooper. It doesn't 248 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 1: move me until I get to the part where I 249 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 1: realized me and my father's starting to see. 250 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 8: Things differently, and that's BB Cooper, And so I always 251 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:38,079 Speaker 8: want them to be something like that in there somewhere, 252 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 8: or if there's not, it feels like a year after 253 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 8: I start playing it, it feels heavy, it feels like 254 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 8: it goes on very long time. 255 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 1: I've got songs that are about girls. I don't really 256 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 1: know that, Like on my first or second I got 257 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 1: a couple of REP songs. There's a song called turn 258 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:58,719 Speaker 1: it Up. Just made it up out of there. I 259 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 1: don't know who those people are or what they're talking about. 260 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:04,720 Speaker 1: Just mortas I said, because I had a riff and 261 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 1: that song feels like it goes on for hours. I play. 262 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:15,200 Speaker 2: But you eventually tire of some of your songs, don't you? 263 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 1: Uh huh most Yeah, some of them? 264 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, And why are you so tough on yourself in 265 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 2: that regard that you tire of them and kind of 266 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 2: just aggravated at him. 267 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, I I don't think that might just be yeah, 268 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 1: I don't know. I wish I could stop that because 269 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 1: some people are like these are my kids. I'm like 270 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 1: my kids. Some of them really love me. In fact, 271 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 1: there's thing that's coming out that's out I think more 272 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 1: of them. There's songs where I'll play and I'll talk 273 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 1: about why I don't like that, and then I'll play, 274 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 1: which I was glad to get the chance to go 275 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 1: on record like that. It gets it off your chest, right. Yeah, 276 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 1: there's a song called positively Negative. That's just this thing 277 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 1: I felt for about ten minutes, long enough to get 278 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 1: the song, you know, and then by the time the 279 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 1: song came out that wasn't mad about that. 280 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 2: But you blend so brilliantly social commentary and humor. How 281 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 2: do you sort of balanced that or do you thank you? 282 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 1: I think that tried to. 283 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 3: Like, I don't feel like anyone knows, Like when it 284 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 3: comes to politics, the reason why we argue about these 285 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 3: things because we don't know for sure what to do. 286 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 1: There's like two really basic people, Like it's science, there's 287 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 1: like a certain person who's sort of moving forward or 288 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 1: thinks tomorrow is gonna be great. There's another person that 289 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 1: thinks yesterday was great, and we get separated on that, 290 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 1: like and. 291 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 9: So for Democrats, they market with other people what they 292 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 9: call blue wall or whatever, and then there's people that 293 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 9: think yesterday was the vator in general, and they get I. 294 00:15:57,400 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 1: Think it's like you, I don't even know if it's 295 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 1: your choice to those sides you lean on or whatever. 296 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 1: So like politics, I don't take that seriously. It's like 297 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 1: a form of entertainment or a racket, Like it's a 298 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 1: low grow form of entertainment and it doesn't pay as 299 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 1: much as it should for as much as their lives 300 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 1: as they have to give to this act or whatever. 301 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 1: I feel sampled because they're a punching bag. The politician 302 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 1: is like any money. We were going to all set 303 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 1: politicians or bullshit line pieces of shit, that's the way 304 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 1: to stop an argument. They're all pieces of shit, and 305 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 1: it's just a racket, and so I don't take it seriously. 306 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 1: I look at them all like their wrestlers, and I 307 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 1: hope their kids get that. Their pro wrestlers. Sometimes they 308 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:51,920 Speaker 1: fix potholes every once in a while, or sometimes they 309 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 1: puck things up, but don't really do a ton up, 310 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 1: they're say in Washington, And. 311 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 3: So when I thing I've been at it, I don't 312 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:05,440 Speaker 3: feel like I don't get angry about it, Like Trump. 313 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 1: Doesn't make me angry, thinks amusing I am. I'm the Democrat. 314 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 1: I don't want him to be the president. I didn't 315 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:16,240 Speaker 1: like it when he was before, but just because because 316 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 1: I think tomorrow is gonna be terrific, and they got me. 317 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:22,160 Speaker 1: I love about them, hippie what just remes like could 318 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:27,399 Speaker 1: be I'm just that and I can admit it. I 319 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:30,440 Speaker 1: don't even care. You know, yeah, like half the time, 320 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:33,119 Speaker 1: if it's a protest and there's a good band, you know, 321 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 1: tell me I'm coming the tip shit. 322 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:41,280 Speaker 2: But you are the unofficial mayor of East Nashville. So 323 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:45,400 Speaker 2: if you were handed the keys to making decisions as 324 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 2: a political leader, what would your motto be? 325 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 1: Oh, that's the whole type for our side. I love 326 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:56,720 Speaker 1: what's happened on the east side of town, I feel like, 327 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:01,200 Speaker 1: because that's like Billy String, Sierra Ferrel. I think jelly 328 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 1: Roll even live over on our side of town. Now, hm, 329 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:08,040 Speaker 1: let's see, because it feels like those cats on the 330 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:11,919 Speaker 1: mainstream people they're they don't know. I mean, I'm just 331 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:13,919 Speaker 1: watching as a fan. I'm not part of it. I 332 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:16,399 Speaker 1: think maybe I'll get a song cut sometimes, But it 333 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 1: feels like that's the thing on Sixteenth Avenue, where they 334 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:22,920 Speaker 1: have the system that's worked for over forever and over 335 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:25,639 Speaker 1: and ever. It got rathered by a few guys that 336 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:28,440 Speaker 1: didn't go through it, I think, and then they're cuge. 337 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:31,919 Speaker 1: It's like, broadly, I don't know. I think some of 338 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:35,960 Speaker 1: the big stars don't have any friends on sixteenth Avenue 339 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:38,400 Speaker 1: and that so they're kind of I think they're kind 340 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 1: of calling time out and trying to I think they're 341 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:46,560 Speaker 1: like studying Jason Isabel for a minute. And I'm not 342 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:50,120 Speaker 1: sure where where country music's going to go, But right 343 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:55,160 Speaker 1: now it seems like that cat, Jason Alban who said 344 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:59,399 Speaker 1: something racist I guess, or something that defended PP And 345 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:03,160 Speaker 1: then so this other kid, there's another kid who offended hippies, 346 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 1: and they're they're the only people making it happen right 347 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 1: now in that I think sixteen down it was about 348 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 1: itself caught up in whatever's going on in America, you 349 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 1: know what I mean, they're going to get themselves out 350 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:21,880 Speaker 1: of politics, I think, because I don't think they're meant 351 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 1: to get there. 352 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 2: You know, yeah Morgan, Morgan Wall and maybe you were 353 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 2: talking about Yeah, yeah, that. 354 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:30,639 Speaker 1: Kid, that kid, he fucked up, I think through something 355 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 1: somebody or but I know he said did something racist. 356 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:37,440 Speaker 1: I don't know what it was or if you I mean, 357 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:42,080 Speaker 1: but like they're rallying around that kid like that, as 358 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 1: if they're rallying around those cats, as if they shot 359 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 1: a protessor, like they're standing up for them, you know 360 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:50,200 Speaker 1: what I mean. 361 00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:54,720 Speaker 3: It's like you know redneck people who don't like people 362 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:58,159 Speaker 3: that don't look bat themselves and to the point that 363 00:19:58,160 --> 00:19:59,480 Speaker 3: they're angry about it. 364 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 1: They wanted to find they're We're coming to the rescue 365 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 1: these two guys, and the rest of the town's getting 366 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:09,960 Speaker 1: kind of artsy. 367 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 2: We'll be right back with the Taking a Walk Podcast. 368 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Taking a Walk Podcast. What do 369 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:20,359 Speaker 2: you think Jerry Jeff would have thought about what's going 370 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 2: on these days? 371 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 1: Oh? God, I think he would liked what was going 372 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 1: on music, But I don't know. Well, we'll really depend 373 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 1: on if he was drinking or not, because if he 374 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:35,919 Speaker 1: was drinking, whatever is causing chaos, and no matter if 375 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:39,880 Speaker 1: it's positive or negative, it's hard to understand. It was headquard, 376 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:43,679 Speaker 1: so he'd like all the chaos, even though some of 377 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 1: it has been of course, a lot of it's been violent. 378 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 1: But man, he had a way of letting go of 379 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 1: everything in a way that didn't make you think that 380 00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:02,240 Speaker 1: he was ignoring people's troubles. You sometimes it's like, oh, 381 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:05,480 Speaker 1: you're on for a second. He was a gifted at 382 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 1: free in his mind. Yeah. 383 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 2: Last following, Yeah, did your father impact your storytelling unbelievable abilities? 384 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 2: Was he one of the greatest influences in that regard. 385 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:21,359 Speaker 1: I think. So the first time I saw Jerry Jeff, 386 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:25,480 Speaker 1: I thought that's my dad, except for my dad wasn't 387 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 1: griff for real. So I remember saying, it's not hurting anymore, 388 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 1: you know, And I remember think, yeah, my dad would 389 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:35,439 Speaker 1: have been a good troubadour. He was a criminal, but 390 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:39,639 Speaker 1: like a very successful one. He died when he was 391 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 1: only fifty four. He was part of was this guy 392 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 1: named George never Say in Oregon. He brought heroin to 393 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:52,920 Speaker 1: the Great North less like the early sixties and set 394 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 1: up his team in Beaverton, Oregon. And that's what my 395 00:21:56,680 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 1: dad was. That worked for him, And it was weird way. 396 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:03,280 Speaker 1: It was a little suprana like without that the way 397 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:06,159 Speaker 1: of sounding. It didn't sound like that. But there was 398 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 1: always a couple of guys standing around with people. Don't 399 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:13,760 Speaker 1: believe me, So that's that's true. Oh I believe you. Yeah. 400 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 2: What do you think is the most significant milestone to 401 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:18,200 Speaker 2: date in your career? 402 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:22,119 Speaker 1: Right after that, when you said that, I thought, I 403 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:26,520 Speaker 1: went on the tour right before or after I think 404 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 1: it was before the pandemic with Bramlin Jack Elliott and 405 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 1: spent like two weeks on the bus with him, and 406 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:35,639 Speaker 1: I felt like that confirmed a lot. I mean, I 407 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:37,240 Speaker 1: felt like I learned a lot. I felt like I 408 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 1: confirmed a lot about what we're doing. And he was 409 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:42,600 Speaker 1: always like, would always put me to bed. He was 410 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:44,639 Speaker 1: always ready to go to the bus and to do something. 411 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:49,200 Speaker 1: He's ninety two and so he was really into traveling, 412 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:53,359 Speaker 1: and so we would go find cars and buses and 413 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 1: boats and things to look at during the day. It's 414 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 1: just really active and. 415 00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:01,919 Speaker 10: Just seeing somebody who jumped in head first to this 416 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:07,359 Speaker 10: lifestyle being so still so glad that he did, still 417 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:13,439 Speaker 10: so free, still so amused and interested. And they made 418 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 10: me think that, like there's a fourth quarter, there's a 419 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:17,440 Speaker 10: little bit left, you know. 420 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:21,800 Speaker 2: Tell me what Towns van Zant has meant to you. 421 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 1: When I met The first time I saw him was 422 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 1: Keith Sykes took me to a Christmas party at a bar. 423 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:34,160 Speaker 1: There was a whole hold him family, and I didn't 424 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 1: know what that meant. And when we went into the 425 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:39,479 Speaker 1: back too, we went into the kitchen. And when we 426 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 1: walked in the back kitchen at his bars, Guy Clark 427 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:45,760 Speaker 1: and Count Van's aunt John Crime and Nancy Griffith, and 428 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:47,880 Speaker 1: they're playing the game where you throw dice on the wall, 429 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:51,200 Speaker 1: and they had money in their hands and they're shouting, 430 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:54,600 Speaker 1: you know, and I never met I only knew jump. 431 00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:58,960 Speaker 1: And then at a certain point, guys, I mean Towns 432 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 1: came and sat down next to me and grabbed my 433 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:04,119 Speaker 1: arm and I could tell he was starting to cray. 434 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 1: And he said, I said, what's the matter, And he said, 435 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 1: this is all fucked up? And I said, what's all 436 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:12,879 Speaker 1: fucked up? And then they all row it in laughter 437 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,320 Speaker 1: it and he was like, this is all I never 438 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:17,880 Speaker 1: knew what I meant, you know that, but it hurt 439 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:21,720 Speaker 1: me for him. And then after they all went to 440 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:24,680 Speaker 1: Jones and traded songs. I was the only other person there. 441 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 1: I just got up a record thing, but they didn't. 442 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:30,880 Speaker 1: I didn't play any songs. And then after that guy 443 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:32,920 Speaker 1: in Towns were really nice to me. 444 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:35,879 Speaker 3: They call me Keith or Psikes as a kid, and 445 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:37,879 Speaker 3: the only take you in now. I gave it, and 446 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:41,439 Speaker 3: you know you have to. I was the first person 447 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:43,359 Speaker 3: to tell me that, like. 448 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 1: The people that came after me were going to make 449 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:50,480 Speaker 1: me jealous, and if only for being younger. And you 450 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 1: just can't you can't be that. You can't do that. 451 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 1: You have to go the other way. You have to 452 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,720 Speaker 1: get everything you have to everybody that's doing this, and 453 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 1: it works, It really is. It's not a lot of 454 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 1: people that just want to be a troubadour, not very 455 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:07,960 Speaker 1: many at all. And those guys really looked up that 456 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:10,160 Speaker 1: were just good to each other, they weren't. 457 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:15,560 Speaker 2: Don't you think there's people who pose as troubadours and 458 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 2: then there's people who really are troubadours. 459 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 1: I think so. 460 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 2: Probably so you could sniff them. I bet you could 461 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:27,119 Speaker 2: sniff them a mile away. Though usually I sometimes I 462 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:30,959 Speaker 2: feel like I can. First time I met Isabelle and 463 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 2: the first time I saw Sierra Farrell, I knew, and yeah, 464 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:40,120 Speaker 2: there is a it's a calling or something. It definitely 465 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 2: doesn't feel like a seeing that you can plan. 466 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:48,359 Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't have a goal, you know. And 467 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:52,680 Speaker 1: then I was living like this first, and then it 468 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:54,359 Speaker 1: was like a look at these guys. They lived the 469 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:56,720 Speaker 1: same way, but they have a guitar. Seems like they 470 00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:59,480 Speaker 1: get an extra extra scupid everything. 471 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 2: What's the biggest challenge in your career that you faced 472 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 2: or that you've faced to this day. 473 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:12,720 Speaker 1: Right now, I feel like in the last couple of years, 474 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:16,520 Speaker 1: I haven't. I'm played because of my toy call like 475 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:18,960 Speaker 1: a it sounds darker than this. They call it a 476 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,360 Speaker 1: dark light of the soul where you where. 477 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,320 Speaker 11: I'm like not sure how much I'm going to be 478 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,960 Speaker 11: able to play again. I haven't played in a couple 479 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:32,120 Speaker 11: of almost a couple of years, and I'm trying to 480 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 11: get healthy. You know, I'm not not off drugs. I'm 481 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,880 Speaker 11: not on drugs. If if almost on drugs, I could 482 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,440 Speaker 11: go play. But I can't live like that. 483 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:44,120 Speaker 6: And it's gotten I'm in a lot of pain all 484 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:47,400 Speaker 6: the time, not to dig. And I said, I'm going 485 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:51,439 Speaker 6: to the chiropractor after this. And there's this guy that 486 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:53,840 Speaker 6: is I think it's starting to help me. 487 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,960 Speaker 1: I wanted to play game, but that so that part 488 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:00,640 Speaker 1: of it, like trying to figure out would be if 489 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:04,280 Speaker 1: I wasn't that I'm not so far come up with nothing. 490 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:10,359 Speaker 3: And then I think meeting heroes and not. 491 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,600 Speaker 1: Because of them, not because oh, because they turned out 492 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 1: to be jerks, just it's intimidating. It's like being around 493 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:20,640 Speaker 1: like it was intimidating to be around John Jimmy Buffeto, 494 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:25,280 Speaker 1: those people, but Buffet in particular was somebody like I 495 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:28,159 Speaker 1: really wanted to be a friend to him. But and 496 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 1: he needed friends. But they you'd have to be a genius. 497 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:33,960 Speaker 1: You were going to have to be one of those 498 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 1: guys Steve Jobs and those were his friends, people that 499 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 1: were running on them. I mean, I've been around that. 500 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:43,560 Speaker 1: I mean, now I'm bad about him, but that guy 501 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:47,000 Speaker 1: knew a lot of languages for Star Wars. He was 502 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:51,560 Speaker 1: a master surfer, master fisherman, master golf pilot, not like 503 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,119 Speaker 1: the rest. Wasn't like people that was. 504 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:57,159 Speaker 12: He was hard, like not hard to be around, but 505 00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 12: you felt like, you know, it's such. I wasn't slapped 506 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,280 Speaker 12: him on the back and telling him jokes. I was 507 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:04,200 Speaker 12: just like, damn, you want to fly now? 508 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:06,880 Speaker 1: Okay? 509 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 2: And he kept, you know, having this zest for his 510 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:15,920 Speaker 2: performance and connecting with his fans and you know, kind 511 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,000 Speaker 2: of keeping that fire always burning, right. 512 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:22,600 Speaker 1: I think of him as the best Troubadoor that And 513 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:25,280 Speaker 1: he learned it from Jared Jeff. He learned it from 514 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 1: Roland Jet and Jerry Jeff took him to Key West 515 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:32,040 Speaker 1: even and he was to say he could parallel park 516 00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:35,080 Speaker 1: a pirate ship. And I'm not I'm not kidding, he 517 00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:38,239 Speaker 1: can tat say it. So he went down there and 518 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 1: found more than music. Yeah, he found the wave Locke, 519 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 1: he created Jimmy Buffett understand there and then got to 520 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:47,560 Speaker 1: be and the whole. 521 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,120 Speaker 2: Time miss him dearly. 522 00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 1: I'm sure crazy. 523 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:54,080 Speaker 3: I'm still really close to his knees and that has 524 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 3: been a really hard one because he is like there 525 00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 3: was a like for. 526 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 1: Me particular, like he just said, you can be a 527 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,280 Speaker 1: singer now with me. I'm talking to you because he 528 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:10,240 Speaker 1: decided one day to let me. Thanks doing that twenty 529 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:13,720 Speaker 1: times a year ever since the song came out, just 530 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,360 Speaker 1: like you can do this, you can always? 531 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:19,920 Speaker 2: Are you happy how you have evolved as a musician 532 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,880 Speaker 2: and a troubadour Thank you for asking me that. 533 00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:27,360 Speaker 1: I'm really happy with the guitar playing and the harmmone playing. 534 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:31,120 Speaker 1: That makes me. I feel like I've really come a 535 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 1: long way on those things. And then Troubadour and I 536 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:38,080 Speaker 1: feel like I got through a no hitter. 537 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 3: And then I've been't like that took my first like 538 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:43,600 Speaker 3: this is the first break I've ever taken a I went, 539 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:46,000 Speaker 3: I ran away at fifteen, went on the road at 540 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 3: about twenty seven. I never stopped, and I feel I 541 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:57,840 Speaker 3: know that Ramblin Jack is proud of that lifestyle. There's 542 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:02,480 Speaker 3: a camp where I'm I'm teached like that teacher, which 543 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:05,160 Speaker 3: is a grip in itself. But there's a camp in 544 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 3: which stock were. Last year I did it, it was 545 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,800 Speaker 3: supposed to be a songwriting camp, and this year it's 546 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,640 Speaker 3: a freewheel in tribute or camp. And I'm like, there's 547 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,200 Speaker 3: way more to it than just making up songs. You 548 00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:17,640 Speaker 3: got to learn to sleep anywhere, or you've got to 549 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:19,360 Speaker 3: learn how to jump in the car just because the 550 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:20,000 Speaker 3: doors open. 551 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:25,840 Speaker 1: All that shit. I love that. 552 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,960 Speaker 2: I want to ask you about some of your favorite 553 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:33,640 Speaker 2: venues and then some of your least favorite venues. 554 00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:37,240 Speaker 1: Right, Greg is fun. Let's see I can do that. 555 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:41,280 Speaker 1: Let's say Green Hall because I saw Jerry Jeff there 556 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:45,440 Speaker 1: and I was like, this is what I am. And 557 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:49,800 Speaker 1: then there's a place called Alice's Champagne Palace in Homer, 558 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:55,400 Speaker 1: Alaska that it is like that town if somebody was 559 00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:57,960 Speaker 1: looking for a travel tip, that's the kind of town 560 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:01,760 Speaker 1: you can go and meet everyone there and become you 561 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:04,600 Speaker 1: know everyone there come back. I like that community and 562 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,680 Speaker 1: I feel like I'm part of it. And then Santa 563 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:11,800 Speaker 1: Cruz they used to have these fat fries outside and 564 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,720 Speaker 1: that town too. The radio station in that town. 565 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:18,520 Speaker 12: There's a community around that that's fun to go fall into. 566 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 1: Just see what they're doing tonight. 567 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:24,920 Speaker 8: And then says I going to say, oh, the last 568 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,480 Speaker 8: one would be Key West, because I. 569 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,080 Speaker 1: First time I went down there was a Jimmy So 570 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:33,240 Speaker 1: I've got that place dialed in pretty good. And it 571 00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:36,760 Speaker 1: is the tubadour. In the nineties, when I went down there, 572 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,680 Speaker 1: there was like music on all the streets up and 573 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,680 Speaker 1: down New Ball. But now if you go up and 574 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:48,480 Speaker 1: down New Ball, it's one guy telling stories and singing 575 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:52,480 Speaker 1: his own songs and people are paying attention to It's 576 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,880 Speaker 1: like there's a buffet, there's somebody doing my shit. There's 577 00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:59,720 Speaker 1: twelve gigs to do what I do every night on 578 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,200 Speaker 1: one street. So if you're into that too, if you're 579 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:06,000 Speaker 1: in the like Boatcraft and Nate and songwriting types, there's 580 00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:09,840 Speaker 1: a ship coming qus and they're working. They have lots 581 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,120 Speaker 1: of gigs, and so I'm going down there for a 582 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:13,640 Speaker 1: while and I know those guys. 583 00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:17,480 Speaker 2: Do you have any hobbies other than being a troubadour 584 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:18,360 Speaker 2: and a musician. 585 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:23,280 Speaker 1: I'm a good gardener, bower gardener, and I'm a walker, 586 00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:25,600 Speaker 1: Like I think this that I walked a few times 587 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:31,840 Speaker 1: a day and a garden meditate, like to meditate, which 588 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:36,240 Speaker 1: is mean to just sit there. That's about it. That's 589 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:36,880 Speaker 1: my things. 590 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:42,040 Speaker 2: I think, what advice would you give to aspiring musicians 591 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,280 Speaker 2: that are listening to this podcast? 592 00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:48,960 Speaker 1: I will go in through it. If you're see some 593 00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:54,440 Speaker 1: people go into it to succeed and other people go 594 00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,840 Speaker 1: into it to escape the part of the world that 595 00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:02,320 Speaker 1: is focused on success. You can go trying to be 596 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:07,360 Speaker 1: a star, or you can be Vince Herman, which is 597 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:11,920 Speaker 1: like he's just like I've kind of been allowed to 598 00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:16,240 Speaker 1: I don't know if you don't talking about his leftover salmon. 599 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:19,000 Speaker 3: And he's a bonafide what do you call when people 600 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:22,440 Speaker 3: figure out there ego and shake it. He used his 601 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:25,920 Speaker 3: time onerous to do that and got away. 602 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:29,600 Speaker 1: With it by playing mandolin and singing, not making big buss, 603 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:33,680 Speaker 1: you know. So it's like I went into it because 604 00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:38,360 Speaker 1: I felt like I had already was the big say 605 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:40,959 Speaker 1: tune in to drop out it. So it's like, if 606 00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,440 Speaker 1: you if you want to have kids or be responsible 607 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,720 Speaker 1: or be don't do it. Don't try to. You're not 608 00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:48,720 Speaker 1: going to succeed in a way that you're going to 609 00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:51,840 Speaker 1: send your kid to private school or whatever. And if 610 00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:55,440 Speaker 1: you do like em when Jack said, music is good 611 00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:59,000 Speaker 1: for like a horse or a truck and the rest 612 00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:02,520 Speaker 1: is grab as. And if you know that you might 613 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:05,239 Speaker 1: end up with your own ranch accident, you might end 614 00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:08,319 Speaker 1: up like Jimmy buffacident. But if you think you're gonna 615 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:11,640 Speaker 1: end up like Jimmy Buffett, it's just gonna be it drunk. 616 00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:17,399 Speaker 1: You gotta like when I started being a singers because 617 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,800 Speaker 1: I knew that I was never going to have any money. 618 00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:24,080 Speaker 1: I was never going to do anything like that. I 619 00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:26,799 Speaker 1: was never going to have to sit down and meet 620 00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:31,080 Speaker 1: with anyone or anything like that. That was the payment. 621 00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:34,480 Speaker 1: And then like psychs was like, you can go to 622 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:37,880 Speaker 1: Europe if you just get your shit together for six months. 623 00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:39,120 Speaker 1: That's what I told. 624 00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:44,600 Speaker 2: Sierra God And closing, what have you not learned about 625 00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:48,280 Speaker 2: life or being a musician that you're still in search 626 00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:49,719 Speaker 2: of that thing? 627 00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,840 Speaker 1: Then he did, And I do think I'm getting closer. 628 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:56,240 Speaker 1: I would like to run out of things to say 629 00:34:56,440 --> 00:35:01,960 Speaker 1: and shake my personality completely. Even no, it's pretty warming 630 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:05,480 Speaker 1: like he and then I've got him Alan want too. 631 00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:08,120 Speaker 1: In the last few years, I was like they didn't 632 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:11,759 Speaker 1: really talk anymore, and he only really just laughed and 633 00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:15,200 Speaker 1: made funny sounds and stuff. And I could see that 634 00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:18,520 Speaker 1: happened in the bending and I'm trying to get right 635 00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:22,080 Speaker 1: in line behind me. I would like that. I would 636 00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:26,839 Speaker 1: like to go be like, go completely mad. I guess 637 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,200 Speaker 1: is what someone might say, Oh, just get rid of 638 00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:34,319 Speaker 1: shake my name, you know, get back to before you 639 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:37,759 Speaker 1: take on them. I think I don't know myself. It's 640 00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:39,000 Speaker 1: some hippie ship. But music. 641 00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:42,400 Speaker 3: I think someday they're going to figure out frequencies and 642 00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:47,520 Speaker 3: like the in like music is like a magic thing. 643 00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:50,399 Speaker 1: I think can do that. I may be talking about, 644 00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:51,880 Speaker 1: you know how some people like will just take a 645 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,160 Speaker 1: drug over and over because they're certain at any day 646 00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:57,320 Speaker 1: now it's gonna they're going to not need it anymore, 647 00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:01,160 Speaker 1: because it's they saw it, you know. I guess I 648 00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:05,600 Speaker 1: keep hoping to get it whatever it is, you know, 649 00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:08,160 Speaker 1: whatever it is, to get with it. I want to 650 00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:09,480 Speaker 1: get with it. 651 00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:13,600 Speaker 2: Thanks for getting with it with me, man, Thank you man. 652 00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:17,200 Speaker 1: I so enjoyed this. Thank you Man, I did too. 653 00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:20,719 Speaker 2: Thanks for being on right on man, I can't wait 654 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:24,160 Speaker 2: here it. Yeah, I'll keep you posted. Thanks for everything, seriously. 655 00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:28,000 Speaker 2: Thanks good luck at the doc too. Thanks for listening 656 00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:31,480 Speaker 2: to this Taking a Walk episode with Todd Snyder. A 657 00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:35,000 Speaker 2: quick shout out thanks to one of our Ohio friends 658 00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:38,600 Speaker 2: and supporters of Taking a Walk, Buck, Mick Williams. Thanks 659 00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:40,560 Speaker 2: for supporting Taking a Walk. 660 00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:40,839 Speaker 1: Buck. 661 00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:44,799 Speaker 2: Taking a Walk is available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, 662 00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:46,640 Speaker 2: or wherever you get your podcasts