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Speaker 3: Well, and not that they gave a damn, but that

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Speaker 3: No, what I mean is is when progressives just different

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Speaker 3: But Congresswoman Barbara Lee has been a progressive the entire

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Speaker 1: The forgetting that white supremacy is still across the board.

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Speaker 2: They do, but they also cover up for a lot

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Speaker 1: I don't have no problem with white people. That's not

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Speaker 5: Then it hit different.

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Speaker 1: And so I don't expect white people to put themselves

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Speaker 2: Why should they?

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Speaker 1: And that's why people find themselves so broken hearted than this,

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Speaker 3: That's right. The campaign shifted my political ideology.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that shit, they shit. I'm like, why was y'all confused?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 2: What kind of mother would I be?

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Speaker 5: Right?

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Speaker 2: Ain't no poet being mad about it.

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Speaker 3: You're being mad about it. Ain't no point being mad

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Speaker 2: You in the line, no way, Yep, that's it. Bottom line. Privilege.

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Speaker 1: And just know that they don't want you in first

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Speaker 2: Available, No, it's not happening.

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Speaker 1: My friend was on the plane last night going home.

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Speaker 1: He said, Man, if she don't let me in that

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Speaker 1: you did not pay even though nobody's sitting here. Clearly

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Speaker 1: it's seven people on the plane. It was literally seven

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Speaker 1: Why not let him get the big seat? No, that's

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Speaker 3: That's right.

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Speaker 1: No, you paid for seats six A. And even though

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Speaker 1: You get I'm gonna keep on getting up, going to

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Speaker 2: No, we're just gonna have just a bumpy ride. You

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Speaker 5: That's right.

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Speaker 3: No matter the outcome, it's my outpa versus the outcome.

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Speaker 4: That's it.

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Speaker 2: And you and I might move you out the seat.

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Speaker 2: But if I never move, you have to seat.

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Speaker 1: I have to know that everything I did in my

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Speaker 2: And that's what politics is, that's it.

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Speaker 1: My w was who the hell is Bernie Sanders Clinton,

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Speaker 2: They didn't want to hear that ship Ye not want

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Speaker 5: What have you?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean you respond. I mean somebody asked you

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Speaker 2: a question. If I'm trying to God, can how can

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Speaker 2: you respond to that?

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Speaker 5: Though?

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Speaker 2: No, she like, I just said, what you mean? Tell

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Speaker 2: me truth for me? All know how Michelle did it?

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Speaker 2: Michelle pro did a more diplomatic way.

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Speaker 3: More diplomatic way, but I tell them the truth and

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Speaker 3: tells you may not remember, but very early on in

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Speaker 3: the campaign, we had that discussion about telling the truth.

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Speaker 3: Don't tell folks and not that you lie, but don't

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Speaker 3: tell folks that you can't deliver on or the U

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Speaker 3: can't personally guarantee. And so that shaped High would answer

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Speaker 3: those questions and I was diplomatic about it because that's

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Speaker 3: just who I am and how I present. But I

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Speaker 3: was very mindful not to overpromise or not promise anything

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Speaker 3: that I could not personally deliver.

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Speaker 5: Mm.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I definitely, like I said, I didn't have That's

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Speaker 1: a great question, Marselves because actually made me think about

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Speaker 1: this my way of organizing, because I was not at

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Speaker 1: there talking about Bernie Sanders is the best and he

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Speaker 1: got the best policies and all that. Like Michelle truly

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Speaker 1: is a progressive, you know what I mean. So she was,

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Speaker 1: you know, like these are positive black people. That that

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Speaker 1: wasn't my my move. My move was I'm here to

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Speaker 1: build a relationship with you me you know, build a

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Speaker 1: relationship with you for visibility, for whatever it is I

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Speaker 1: can bring to you.

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Speaker 2: But this is not the end of our relationship.

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Speaker 1: And so that's why I still go to Detroit now

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Speaker 1: every other week, you know what I mean, Like, I

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Speaker 1: still have relationships there. I still became great friends with

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Speaker 1: Eric Mays rest in peace, you know, still great friends

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Speaker 1: with Danielle Green who eventually who helped me organize to

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Speaker 1: Bernie Sanders. He highlighted her, did townhalls with her. He

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Speaker 1: was the one that she hugged when he looked all

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Speaker 1: Bonne up that they use on advertisements to help us

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Speaker 1: win that. But Danielle and I still talk to this day.

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Speaker 1: She eventually became school board he never knew about. It

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Speaker 1: wouldn't be nice for being to say, damn, one of

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Speaker 1: the people I originally you know, organize is now the

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Speaker 1: elected official.

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Speaker 2: They leave and move on.

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Speaker 1: That still became a relationship to me. She also helped

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Speaker 1: me when it was time to organize for in Flint,

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Speaker 1: for Ben Crump for the Flint water crisis. That didn't

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Speaker 1: have anything to do with the campaign, but those relationships

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Speaker 1: I still was able to call them relationships and still

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Speaker 1: and call on today they can call on me.

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Speaker 2: So for me, I was a.

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Speaker 1: I did outside of what you typically would probably do,

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Speaker 1: you know, for an operator, to be honest, But that's

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Speaker 1: because I just sell myself and whatever I do, I'm

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Speaker 1: building me and you.

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Speaker 2: I can't tell you what burn' gonna do, well, here're

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Speaker 2: gonna do.

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Speaker 1: All I know is I'm here to try to set

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Speaker 1: up whatever resource we can give you now or however

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Speaker 1: we can. But I'm stamping my shit, you know what

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Speaker 1: I mean? Me domin the candidate build a relationship with

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Speaker 1: That's how I did it. That's not how I would

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Speaker 1: teach people. You know, you have to advocate for your candidate. Again, guys, don't.

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Speaker 1: There's some things I train, but I'm not telling you

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Speaker 1: to do, but say, that's how I did it because

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Speaker 1: I just had to operate in my full integrity. And

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Speaker 1: I didn't rock with Bernie Sanders like that. I just

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Speaker 1: didn't and I couldn't act like I didn't know what

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Speaker 1: I knew. So now that don't mean I don't have

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Speaker 1: candidates that I rock with, you know like that, because

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Speaker 1: I do. Like I can say Levin Bracy and you

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Speaker 1: say what y'all want to say about her. She gave

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Speaker 1: my voice, she was behind me one hundred percent. She

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Speaker 1: went against the church, her family, everybody support me. Levin's

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Speaker 1: always picked up the fall seventeen years, whether I've been

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Speaker 1: in Orlando or not. Regina, Hi'll except everybody want to say, ay,

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Speaker 1: Virginia Hill, she if she did it, she didn't do it.

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Speaker 2: I can only tell you my experience with Regina that

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Speaker 2: can go the same thing.

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Speaker 1: Even as even with Diddy now people are looking at

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Speaker 1: a horrible side of him. I'm gonna stand on what

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Speaker 1: I know about you. Don't mean it's all you and totality,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's just what I know. So I for me,

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Speaker 1: that's just how I operate because I got it. Like

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Speaker 1: I said, I got to operate in true integrity. But

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Speaker 1: that's also why I don't work on people's campaigns now too.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because to be an operative, you have to, as

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Speaker 3: Tess's said, you have to move different. It's about the

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Speaker 3: it's about election day, it's about the voter, it's about

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Speaker 3: the numbers, and how you move in that space is different. Now,

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Speaker 3: I will say that I've always been and of course

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Speaker 3: with Tess's help and shaping that, I've always been intentional

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Speaker 3: about how I engaged with black voters and black supporters

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Speaker 3: because it is about the relationships, and I've always wanted

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Speaker 3: to feel like I can come back to the community

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Speaker 3: and not come back with a question of if I

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Speaker 3: sold people out or gave people false hoping. Things like

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Speaker 3: that are very intentional about being truthful about what they

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Speaker 3: can expect and where they can contribute and what makes sense.

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Speaker 3: But when you're an operative, you got to you got

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Speaker 3: a deadline that's election day, and you got to employ

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Speaker 3: different strategies and do different work to get to that.

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Speaker 3: And you may not always be in love with your candidate,

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Speaker 3: and candidates are oftentimes hard to love.

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Speaker 1: So real hard to love. But that's why I'm not

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Speaker 1: an operative, you know, because it ain't eve about being

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Speaker 1: in love. Like I, I go so hard for somebody.

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Speaker 1: You know that I'm a ride. But again, that's why

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Speaker 1: we all have a role. I'm really good at training operatives,

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Speaker 1: really good at you know, I work with Michelle, but

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Speaker 1: I don't necessarily jump outter it. You know, people get upset.

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Speaker 1: I can work on my campaign. No, I'll consult, I'll advise,

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Speaker 1: I'll do all of that.

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Speaker 2: But like.

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Speaker 1: The way people you see ourselves, like, go so hard

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Speaker 1: for these people, and I just no politicians. I can't

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Speaker 1: put myself in a situation when I already know I

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Speaker 1: at some point that politician gonna show up, and I

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Speaker 1: don't want to be responsible for whatever that is, you

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Speaker 1: know what I mean, just because of that. But that's

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Speaker 1: not being an operative, you know, That's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: You gotta know your role. You know, Operatives keeping their

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Speaker 1: head down, they're working on campaigns. They're not always front

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Speaker 1: facing people. They're not activists all the time, you know

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So you need people to do that.

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Speaker 1: You need it's people who work on campaigns that with Michelle.

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Speaker 1: I signed somebody with Michelle one front facing out posting

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Speaker 1: about Michelle and Michelle's the best. This that no keeping

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Speaker 1: Michelle on schedule, keeping her own point, you know, making

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Speaker 1: sure she get her information, making sure her data is

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Speaker 1: available to every day, making sure that she got the

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Speaker 1: graphics she needs, you know, all that type of stuff

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Speaker 1: that has nothing to do. You know, you want to

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Speaker 1: care about the candidate and the issues, but I'm just

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Speaker 1: speaking to those who just want to work on campaigns.

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Speaker 1: You don't feel like you always had to be caught

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Speaker 1: pulled by some emotion.

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Speaker 2: Because it is. It can be a career, a job.

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Speaker 2: You know, those who are pulled.

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Speaker 1: By emotion is great, But sometimes that's not always a

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Speaker 1: good thing too, because now you're caught up in Always

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Speaker 1: say that's probably one of the downfalls of Bernie Sanders

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Speaker 1: movement and even the Trump world, because they're so caught

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Speaker 1: up on emotion that they can't see the forest for

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Speaker 1: the trees. A lot of times, you know, crashing out

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Speaker 1: the whole campaign because you didn't get this that did

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Speaker 1: that well, he said he believe in this and that

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Speaker 1: that ain't how it worked, you know, you know what

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Speaker 1: I mean. So like they get so emotionally tached, you know,

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Speaker 1: attached that they can't be a hired manager, you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean.

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Speaker 2: And we need you need that on campaigns.

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Speaker 1: You need people that see very clear, very objective that's

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Speaker 1: not going to be caught up in the petty and

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Speaker 1: the this and the bullshit. And I want to train

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Speaker 1: more people like that. That may not necessarily be my role.

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Speaker 1: I know my role too, which is I'll just consult

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Speaker 1: with a candidate once a week. You know, hey, give

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Speaker 1: me all your question Dad, but like working with.

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Speaker 2: You every day, day in, day out.

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Speaker 1: I didn't even do that with Michelle. I signed somebody

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Speaker 1: to do it for I tapped in and gave overview Michelle.

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Speaker 2: Boom boom boom boom boom.

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Speaker 1: This is what I'm saying, wrong, Da da da da

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Speaker 1: da change the strategy of and then my job is

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Speaker 1: like drill startge, like come in and push push, push

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Speaker 1: push push. A candidate don't need that every single day.

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Speaker 1: You'll drain your candidate down. Does that make sense? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Cause Anne Marcella is really gonna be talking about how

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Speaker 1: you calling the union on me.

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Speaker 2: I want somebody's staff off. I run somebody's staff off,

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Speaker 2: and I know that. Enough about me now. I had

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Speaker 2: to learn that.

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