Speaker 1: M Dallas Cowboys Radio Network is do the Air, Cowboy.
Speaker 1: This is the twenty twenty two NFL Draft with Sean Shariffe,
Speaker 1: Brian Bronnus, Bobby Belt, Dave Helmut, and Kyle Yeoman's night
Speaker 1: where I talked to my final guy last night and
Speaker 1: I said, enough, I'm done. I can't do this anymore.
Speaker 1: I mean what happens is, though you're trying to, you know,
Speaker 1: everybody's got and that's the beauty of what's we're about
Speaker 1: to see these next three days and especially today in
Speaker 1: the first night. Yeah, with really and we use the
Speaker 1: word chaos, but that's that's kind of where we're living
Speaker 1: right now. We're living in that where with these teams
Speaker 1: with multiple picks and there should we back up? Should
Speaker 1: we make the picks? You know? And I think that's where,
Speaker 1: like I said, last night, very very late, I said,
Speaker 1: I gotta hang up. I'm hey, good luck tomorrow. Hope
Speaker 1: all the tags glow for you, Hope you find your
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl guys. But that's kind of where we are
Speaker 1: right now. Being a radio guy, always root for chaos,
Speaker 1: you know, storylines a mess, and it feels like this
Speaker 1: draft has like lack like your big sexy names in
Speaker 1: terms of the studs, but that's created a lot more uncertainty.
Speaker 1: Uh and and I feel like, if you're a team,
Speaker 1: where's the s we eat spot in this thing? A
Speaker 1: lot of people are talking about mid rounds. This morning,
Speaker 1: I said, are you a little disappointed if you're Jacksonville
Speaker 1: or you're Detroit and you don't have your Trevor Lawrence
Speaker 1: or you're Andrew Luck if you're the Where the Cowboys
Speaker 1: sit in relation to the sweet spot in this draft?
Speaker 1: Bobby with supposedly fourteen or fifteen guys as first round grades. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think they're in a bit of a tough spot
Speaker 1: in the first round. Like, I don't know that the
Speaker 1: values necessarily going to be there. I think that's why
Speaker 1: you've started to hear chatter about do they want to
Speaker 1: look to go up? Do they want to try and
Speaker 1: trade up. That's why Jerry is very publicly talked about like, yeah,
Speaker 1: i'd be interesting going up because we're so far back.
Speaker 1: But you know, Steven said it the other day, third
Speaker 1: through fifth round that's gonna be, you know, kind of
Speaker 1: a real deep I think they're gonna find a lot
Speaker 1: of value there, and so they're fortunate to have what
Speaker 1: four fifth round picks, and so they've got all those
Speaker 1: fifth round picks, they're in a good spot in the
Speaker 1: third and fourth round. I just I'll be interested to see.
Speaker 1: The thing I keep wondering about about trading up is
Speaker 1: do they look at this as it's so deep in
Speaker 1: the middle, and like Stephen had talked about thin at
Speaker 1: the top and the first thin in the second, do
Speaker 1: they view that second round pick as just we can
Speaker 1: stand to sacrifice that to get the value right in
Speaker 1: the first and then we'll coast and third, fourth, fifth, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I kind of feel like that's why you've heard the
Speaker 1: rumors about a Tyler Smith from Tulsa as being a
Speaker 1: possibility at twenty four, because all of a sudden, it's
Speaker 1: like you're thinking, when you're picking at the bottom of
Speaker 1: the board, you're like, we're not going to get this
Speaker 1: guy when we come back to fifty six. So sometimes
Speaker 1: you have to think of a little bit more of
Speaker 1: a way of like, maybe we've got to grab this
Speaker 1: guy now because if we don't, we're just not going
Speaker 1: to get him. And I get having that mindset in
Speaker 1: the later days of a draft, but is it too
Speaker 1: early to do that at twenty four, because I feel
Speaker 1: like that's where a lot of the nervous energy around
Speaker 1: the Star lies right now, is with the prospect that
Speaker 1: you feel like you're reaching on but it's still a
Speaker 1: first round pick. Yeah, that's the thing where you you worry.
Speaker 1: But we call it reaching to those guys and gals
Speaker 1: in those rooms, that's their guy, you know, that's where
Speaker 1: you know, and we'll talk about it and we'll be
Speaker 1: happy or we'll be disappointed, or we'll be whatever. You know,
Speaker 1: and then and then you know. But I think that
Speaker 1: our listening audience too, when we started talking about the
Speaker 1: name of a guy like a Tyler Smith that they
Speaker 1: where everybody was like, no, no, we're not you know,
Speaker 1: let's do something else. But to them, they see a big,
Speaker 1: athletic guy that's got a lot of traits. But it
Speaker 1: might be like Bobby's talked about really on one oh
Speaker 1: five three has been Hey, no, this is a guy
Speaker 1: that's a second round guy. Let's be honest. They're going
Speaker 1: to take a second round guy to nine on their board. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but they took but but then, but then think about
Speaker 1: think about the draft with Travis Frederick when we were
Speaker 1: all sitting in here and going, man, that was a
Speaker 1: third round grade. Yeah, that was a third round grade
Speaker 1: on our board. But now then he turns into like
Speaker 1: an all pro player. The funny thing too, is, and
Speaker 1: I fall victim to this every year, is like the
Speaker 1: snowball kind of starts and it turns into an avalanche
Speaker 1: of just everybody thinking the same because that's what happens,
Speaker 1: and there's so much information. We don't have that with
Speaker 1: Zach Rivy too. But Brian, it's it's a great example.
Speaker 1: If I'm if I'm not mistaken, you have a second
Speaker 1: round grade on Zion Johnson, don't you. Yeah, I do,
Speaker 1: actually him and Green both, and I've got a Green
Speaker 1: above Johnson. So it's funny to me, and we led
Speaker 1: the show with this, is like there's maybe a dozen
Speaker 1: guys that you feel rock solid about and then the
Speaker 1: rest it's just beauties in the eye of the beholder.
Speaker 1: And so that could be Tyler Smith, that could be
Speaker 1: Zion Johnson, that could be you know, I think most
Speaker 1: teams probably have a second round grade on a guy
Speaker 1: like Trail and Burke's who's widely seen as like that
Speaker 1: would be a good pick. But I just it feels
Speaker 1: like there's like fifty names that sort of makes sense
Speaker 1: in that range that we're talking about. I mean, I think,
Speaker 1: you know, we've talked in the past about you guys
Speaker 1: narrowed it down really effectively. Layton vander Ess was going
Speaker 1: to be the pick. Narrowed it down really effectively. Tristan
Speaker 1: Hill was going to be the pick. I legitimately, I
Speaker 1: was sitting here earlier this afternoon. Star Yeah, yeah, An,
Speaker 1: I need a pushy coach to come in here today
Speaker 1: to narrow this down for us. But I was looking
Speaker 1: at it, and I think I legitimately could say there's
Speaker 1: seven names I feel like could be the first round pick,
Speaker 1: maybe more. But like like that's the kind of the
Speaker 1: spot here because it's like do they go up, do
Speaker 1: they go back? Do they stampat? We don't know what
Speaker 1: happens ahead of them. I think that's part of the
Speaker 1: reason for a lot of the the you know, uncertain
Speaker 1: and see about what goes on ahead of them is
Speaker 1: because I think the cowboys are looking at this is
Speaker 1: like this is the wild West in front of us too,
Speaker 1: Like we don't totally know what's gonna happen here. Guy.
Speaker 1: That goes back to what Sean was talking about earlier.
Speaker 1: There's not those big names in this draft, and the
Speaker 1: names ten through sixty or so interchangeable that the teams
Speaker 1: from eleven on down to the Cowboys at twenty four
Speaker 1: are gonna shape the way the Cowboys look at their
Speaker 1: board whenever it comes up. It's one of those trust
Speaker 1: the tape, trust your board. Right now, we're hearing those names,
Speaker 1: the Zion Johnson's, the Kenyon Greens, the Tyler Smiths as
Speaker 1: the names they like on that board. But whether or
Speaker 1: not they're even there is going to be the biggest
Speaker 1: question because there is so much chaos that's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: And if you're rooting for chaos, Sean, which you said
Speaker 1: you were, Yes, I think you're in for a lot
Speaker 1: of at night tonight, Kyle Yeoman's David Helman, Brian brought us,
Speaker 1: Bobby Thought. I'm Sean Shreef here opening up our twenty
Speaker 1: twenty two NFL Draft coverage on one oh five through
Speaker 1: the Fan and Dallas Cowboys dot Com. Let's go around
Speaker 1: the room with your own personal wish list. Well, you
Speaker 1: want to do wish list or position and need which
Speaker 1: one you want to start off with? Yeah? I think
Speaker 1: that I think that if you if you ask me,
Speaker 1: I'll go with the player you know, and I have
Speaker 1: Green above Johnson. But you know, we'll see I believe
Speaker 1: in those tags are touching there. They could flip this
Speaker 1: saying I think the guy that will most likely be
Speaker 1: there will be Green because I think of some of
Speaker 1: the medical concerns. You know, people will talk about the knee.
Speaker 1: It's nothing like you know that's going to should keep
Speaker 1: him from getting drafted, but you know there's something there
Speaker 1: with the meniscus that they're going to have to continue
Speaker 1: to monitor. So but to me, I'd like to see
Speaker 1: them fix this offensive line, and I think adding either
Speaker 1: Green or Zion Johnson. I would really love them to
Speaker 1: draft Tyler Lindebom, the center from Iowa. But the fact
Speaker 1: that Bobby Belt has been kind of reporting that maybe
Speaker 1: that Zion Johnson's going to be the center or could
Speaker 1: be a projected center. Yeah, So then to me, taking
Speaker 1: one of those offensive linemen I think is the right
Speaker 1: thing to do. I mean there's two sides. There's like
Speaker 1: there's reckless me and then there's pragmatically, like if both
Speaker 1: your reckless wide receiver, if you're asking for my wish list,
Speaker 1: I just think the positions that I've other than like
Speaker 1: the really beastly guys that the Cowboys have no shot
Speaker 1: at your sauce gardener, your your Cavon Thibadeau. I think
Speaker 1: the value in the first round is at receiver. Like
Speaker 1: I can talk myself in any of those guys that
Speaker 1: if I could draw, just wave a magic wand. I
Speaker 1: think I've said this on the Draft Show. If I
Speaker 1: could wave a magic wand and have a guy on
Speaker 1: this team, it would be Jamison Williams. Now if I
Speaker 1: could just happened that number one wide receiver, so if
Speaker 1: I'd appreciate that, I think he's tire you kill all
Speaker 1: over again? Wow? Yeah, No, I mean I do that.
Speaker 1: That speed is rare even among NFL receivers um and
Speaker 1: I think he'll be ready for training camp. So do
Speaker 1: I think that'll happen? No, Unfortunately, do we worry a
Speaker 1: little bit about this team even with they had the
Speaker 1: three wide receivers they had last year and they didn't
Speaker 1: have it halfway through the season. They had the production,
Speaker 1: But do you worry about adding another wide receiver and
Speaker 1: not being able to run the ball or block effectively
Speaker 1: as you needed to? And that's where the press. The
Speaker 1: ragmatic Dave comes in and he's like, well, Kenyan Green
Speaker 1: played every position on the O line in the SEC
Speaker 1: and maybe you just fix that and doesn't matter how
Speaker 1: fast Jamison Williams is that if Dak Prescott's getting sacked
Speaker 1: five times. So I'm totally on board with that line
Speaker 1: of thinking. And I'm going to go all the way
Speaker 1: back to one of the first draft shows that we
Speaker 1: had throughout this offseason, and Brian brought up the point
Speaker 1: that if you're not doing something to help your quarterback
Speaker 1: be successful, then I don't want to even talk about it.
Speaker 1: And sure, having Jamison Wilson or Williams, excuse me, we'll
Speaker 1: have a certain impact on Dak Prescott. But I don't
Speaker 1: know if you're fixing the offensive line could necessarily say
Speaker 1: that that that's lesser than Jamison Williams are hating having
Speaker 1: another wide receiver. You've got a block, you've got to
Speaker 1: establish a run game, because if you don't, I think
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott's in the same boat that he was in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty. I totally get it. It's just not fun.
Speaker 1: That's not fun. It'll be fun. It'll be fun. I
Speaker 1: was gonna say it'll be fun when they're rushing for
Speaker 1: one hundred and eighty yards. Again, the depth is a
Speaker 1: receiver and ed. So to me go sacrifice that second
Speaker 1: round pick, go up and get one of the linemen.
Speaker 1: Get a lineman who's worth the first round pick, make
Speaker 1: it Penning Cross whoever. I don't care whichever one slides
Speaker 1: into territory. That you can use that second to go up.
Speaker 1: Do it. Then use the third and fourth on the
Speaker 1: receivers and the ad dressers. The point you made about
Speaker 1: ten minutes ago, I hadn't considered, and I kind of
Speaker 1: love it because I'm Brian you we've done this however
Speaker 1: many years together. I'm I want my picks, I want
Speaker 1: my throws at the dartboard. But I don't want me
Speaker 1: to call you a coward. But but if you don't
Speaker 1: feel good about the depth in the second round, and
Speaker 1: I've run so many mocks this spring where you get
Speaker 1: your receiver in the first and then you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: I don't love any of these guards in the second,
Speaker 1: or you get your guard in the first and you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's it's between an FCS guy and a five eight
Speaker 1: guy at fifty six. Like what am I supposed to
Speaker 1: do here. Yeah, maybe you do just get rid of
Speaker 1: that pick and go get a badass, because there will
Speaker 1: still be depth in the round three, four, and you
Speaker 1: got plenty of picks in round five. Maybe that is
Speaker 1: a conceivable. I think Bobby might be hearing the same
Speaker 1: thing I am that if you're trying to get into
Speaker 1: the say that spot, Bobby ten eleven twelve, Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: gonna cost you fifty six, ye, but anything behind that
Speaker 1: might cost you the third and something else if you
Speaker 1: want to go up more seventeen twenty. Look at look
Speaker 1: at Chargers. There the second picks for the Saints and
Speaker 1: the Eagles, and then you've got the Steelers. Then you know,
Speaker 1: I think you could potentially get up in that territory
Speaker 1: for the third. And they they've practiced that, they've gone
Speaker 1: through these mocks, they've done every scenario they could potentially
Speaker 1: think of in that war room, and a couple of
Speaker 1: times at least through things that we've heard is that
Speaker 1: they've gone up and they feel like they've been wiped
Speaker 1: out at the same time. So that's a thing that
Speaker 1: I think you need to keep an eye on. It's
Speaker 1: got to be the right player. Bobby's mentioned a couple
Speaker 1: of the names, Trevor Pinning out of northern Iowa, Charles
Speaker 1: Cross out of Mississippi State, and I think even a
Speaker 1: Cavon Thibadeau. I don't think that's as likely as the
Speaker 1: other two. But if he were to somehow slip and
Speaker 1: get outside that top ten, that's when I think the
Speaker 1: Cowboys would get on the phone. It wouldn't necessarily be
Speaker 1: just for anybody. It would have to be one of
Speaker 1: those specific guys. And of course there's a lot of
Speaker 1: uncertainty up tops. So let's go around the best of
Speaker 1: the league. What's going to happen at one? We got
Speaker 1: the a lot of NFC East activity above us as well.
Speaker 1: We are just getting started. Thank you for joining us.
Speaker 1: It's the twenty twenty two NFL Draft from Ford Center
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Speaker 1: that you're a you're our private friends here yet dot
Speaker 1: com you guys get like an ivy rolled in here,
Speaker 1: like no commercial breaks like this is going We're talking
Speaker 1: you're talking to folks of Dallas Cowboys dot Com. Right,
Speaker 1: I have fomo. I always have fomo on day two
Speaker 1: in day three because I sit at home and I
Speaker 1: put on the computer to this, I feel like I'm
Speaker 1: in the big fancy room right now and uh me
Speaker 1: and Bobby are getting initiated. So the pomo has gone
Speaker 1: now for day one. Happy to have you, man. That's
Speaker 1: the thing about it, too, is is you guys have
Speaker 1: been around, even on the airwaves, longer than I have
Speaker 1: at the same time, so like getting to actually work
Speaker 1: with you guys is good. It's fun for me. I
Speaker 1: feel the same way getting to work with you guys
Speaker 1: for the first time as I did when I first
Speaker 1: worked with brought uson helmet. Wait and see how it goes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: starts yelling at you about stuff like we're got to
Speaker 1: start getting a little moody. See how Sean's gonna look
Speaker 1: over at me and be like, we gotta go to break.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm gonna be hungry, Sean's gonna be off schedule,
Speaker 1: and Brian's gonna be mad about some pick like Brian's
Speaker 1: stewing that n I've got two pins to throw now.
Speaker 1: I think you might need more. No, but guy that
Speaker 1: Brian loves is gonna slip, and Brian's just gonna be like,
Speaker 1: am I an idiot? Like like why do I even
Speaker 1: do this? As soon as we came back from the
Speaker 1: stream the the it dawned on me I should have
Speaker 1: chugged that energy drink at about five fifty eight. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be real honest. I almost had a coughing
Speaker 1: fit when we went right on the air. I looked
Speaker 1: at Dave like, I'm gonna stake Dave's bottle and go over.
Speaker 1: That's what I thought you were telling me. Is there
Speaker 1: another bottle of water right down there? Body channel? We
Speaker 1: can stuck out one. Yeah, we can ask somebody please
Speaker 1: get service. Sean Sean again pulling back the curtain. Here
Speaker 1: are you folks that are listening? Uh? Literally, Sean was
Speaker 1: going on air and all of a sudden I had
Speaker 1: a choking fit here. So, yes, thank you very much.
Speaker 1: I thought you were telling me that this was like
Speaker 1: not sponsor approved, That's what I've always happening. I was like,
Speaker 1: oh God, but no. But but like you said, we
Speaker 1: were thinking cash, right, Is everybody thinking cash in this
Speaker 1: room a little bit? Or are we just are we overselling?
Speaker 1: Like the greatest example of chaos to me, like we
Speaker 1: we all have you know, been friendly with Dane Brugler
Speaker 1: for a number of years and know how plugged in
Speaker 1: he is seeing Dane and his his mock talk about
Speaker 1: that he's heard that like some chatter that the Texans
Speaker 1: could go Garrett Wilson as high as three. Yeah, Like, wow, Lee,
Speaker 1: if if they did that, if they wanted to throw
Speaker 1: the seas, I feel like that's gonna be stingy at
Speaker 1: the seed that. Yeah, me too, feel like we're settling
Speaker 1: into the top three four about now. That's that's the
Speaker 1: problem that I had last night when I got when
Speaker 1: I was talking to Houston and Jets and Giants and
Speaker 1: Pep and all those pics are right there with each
Speaker 1: other and they're trying to figure out what each other's
Speaker 1: gonna do. And it's it's fascinating to listen to them.
Speaker 1: Because the Texans, I think, if you're gonna try and
Speaker 1: go get a wide receiver, you know, maybe you go
Speaker 1: up to the Texans. They're hunting a wide receiver too. Yep,
Speaker 1: they might not let you in. You know, Texans need everything.
Speaker 1: The Texans are bad football team. Yeah, does this draft
Speaker 1: flack studs? Yes, the funny I mean the answer is yes.
Speaker 1: But also guys are gonna make the Pro Bowl out
Speaker 1: of this draft and all the fames. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean when you look at it now
Speaker 1: as the evaluation now, but I mean you could have
Speaker 1: said some people would have argued last year Micah Parsons
Speaker 1: wasn't a stud like there would have been people last
Speaker 1: or to try to claim that, and then he went
Speaker 1: out there and he was, you know, arguably a top
Speaker 1: three defensive player in the NFL last year. But when
Speaker 1: we're talking all these offensive linemen and receivers and I
Speaker 1: want to get this from you guys later. Are you
Speaker 1: giving me a Justin Jefferson in this class. Are you
Speaker 1: giving me a Tyrant Smith? Are you giving me Zach Martin?
Speaker 1: Or what are we talking about in terms of ceiling
Speaker 1: for some of these positions that are really really deep
Speaker 1: that the Cowboys maybe taking advantage of. So we'll get
Speaker 1: into all of that. Thank you for the Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 1: dot Com crew. That was our first segment and we're
Speaker 1: about to have this for the next five hours. Yes,
Speaker 1: it does, announcer man Sean Sharife Cowboys insider Bobby belt
Speaker 1: our lead Scott Brian brought us David Hellman and Kyle
Speaker 1: Yeoman's from Dallas Cowboys dot Com from Forward Center at
Speaker 1: the Star. Let's go around the rest of the NFL
Speaker 1: and let's let's just go to the very top on
Speaker 1: what's being said, because all of a sudden, Aidan Hutchinson
Speaker 1: has been taken out of the number one spot by
Speaker 1: all the casinos. Who a lot of times they really
Speaker 1: know what Nobody appreciates gambling odds more than you. Well,
Speaker 1: my co host, I want to find you listen that
Speaker 1: every morning. But you know, a lot of times they
Speaker 1: tell us the truth on what's happening. Yeah, more often
Speaker 1: than not. I would say, like I've followed Vegas on
Speaker 1: everything in my opinion, like, yeah, I think that. To me,
Speaker 1: this is what trimp Balky, the general manager with Jacksonville,
Speaker 1: has really got one foot in the parking lot. And
Speaker 1: I'm saying that in a way of you know, the
Speaker 1: the rise of Walker defensive end from Georgia has been
Speaker 1: amazing to me and me he was in the second
Speaker 1: round in December on a lot of models, and that's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying it. With Dallas at twenty four. The
Speaker 1: next now he's at the middle of the board and
Speaker 1: now he's one of the top two players. And you
Speaker 1: but you talk to people and it's like, no, no,
Speaker 1: no Ah, along we had this guy. You you media
Speaker 1: scouts were laid on this one, and I'm like, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: you know. And that's the thing I think that when
Speaker 1: you talk about, like I say, a trip Balky in Jacksonville,
Speaker 1: and if you know you're gonna get fired, take the
Speaker 1: guy you want to take. You know, convince everybody that
Speaker 1: you're right, because if you're wrong, if he turns out
Speaker 1: to be a bust or he turns out to be
Speaker 1: just an okay player, then you're gonna be in a
Speaker 1: situation where they're gonna let you go and it's gonna
Speaker 1: be somebody else's problem. Who is the best player on
Speaker 1: everybody's board, Kyle, who's your best player in this whole thing?
Speaker 1: I've got kvon Thibadeau as still number one. I didn't
Speaker 1: necessarily give in to the off the field, the ego,
Speaker 1: that kind of thing. I think when I look at
Speaker 1: the tape and I see and it kind of goes
Speaker 1: back to learning from Brian brought us across the table
Speaker 1: from me, I see a star at the NFL level,
Speaker 1: and I say the same thing with Aidan Hutchinson. He's
Speaker 1: closely in that second spot. And then I've got Treyvon
Speaker 1: Walker right there as well as three of the top
Speaker 1: five players on my board are go to edge rushers
Speaker 1: at the top. And with a premium position like that,
Speaker 1: I don't think you could necessarily pass up on it.
Speaker 1: But Brian brings up a great point. You don't want
Speaker 1: to rely on other people's opinions to value or two.
Speaker 1: I would rather be runs your decision in your future. Yeah,
Speaker 1: go get your guy. If their guy is Treyvon Walker
Speaker 1: as the Jacksonville Jaguars, then make the pick. Go go
Speaker 1: get it done. It's just it provides a little bit
Speaker 1: more of that chaos we've been talking. Yeah, you do
Speaker 1: you Doug Peterson clearly. I mean Doug wants the offensive
Speaker 1: tackle we Kuangwu. I mean that's what he wants. He's
Speaker 1: got a quarterback he's got to try and protect, you know,
Speaker 1: his job depending on how that kid plays. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: you know he's thinking about, well, I need I need
Speaker 1: blockers here, you know, And the scouts are like scouts
Speaker 1: will always side on Safe. It happened here in Dallas.
Speaker 1: You know if you look at it the corners last year,
Speaker 1: you know, with Sir Tan and you talked to the
Speaker 1: scout and they'll say, answer, Tan, Steady Safe played a
Speaker 1: lot of game coaches, give me horn, give me, give
Speaker 1: me the guy who's over, give me the guy who
Speaker 1: plays like his hairs on fire, turnovers, you know all
Speaker 1: that stuff. So yeah, I mean you could see in
Speaker 1: Jacksonville with the scouts are talking about Hudgets Hutchison, and
Speaker 1: then everybody else is talking about somebody else. Who's the
Speaker 1: best player, Dane. Oh sorry, Dave. I wish I was.
Speaker 1: I wish I had that many scouting reports. It's I
Speaker 1: thought I was about to sound super smart, but Kyle
Speaker 1: took it right out of my mouth. Honestly, if I, well, okay,
Speaker 1: if if I in a vacuum had the number one pick,
Speaker 1: I would take Thibodeau. I think people are overthinking this thing.
Speaker 1: I think he's a freak. I have not heard all
Speaker 1: this stupid whispering about this dude's personality or whatever his
Speaker 1: issue is. I have not heard anything convincing as to
Speaker 1: why he should fall further than certainly the top three.
Speaker 1: What are the knocks that literally, like basically people are
Speaker 1: just vaguely like, oh, he's sort of a jerk, like
Speaker 1: he's kind of a diva. I'm like, so what, he's
Speaker 1: a pro football player when we see as an ego.
Speaker 1: When we were at the combine, Dane put it beautifully.
Speaker 1: He said, whenever you get Dave interviews, Dane, it was
Speaker 1: this time. Dane put it as when you have these
Speaker 1: interviews with with Cabon Thibodeau, you have to pull up
Speaker 1: one seat for Tibadeau, then you got to pull up
Speaker 1: another one for his ego. That That was the way
Speaker 1: he put it blatantly. Isn't that what you want from
Speaker 1: a franchise changing grade? See, that's the thing you people.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think a lot of people feel like
Speaker 1: Sauce is the same energy. So you see what he
Speaker 1: rolled up to the draft. It's not just it's not no,
Speaker 1: I didn't he called himself to chosen one today. It's
Speaker 1: it's it's not just the ego. I don't think I
Speaker 1: think that will of view him as he's a little
Speaker 1: bit emotionally explosive, then that he's a culture question there
Speaker 1: on that front, and then I don't want to get
Speaker 1: too deep into what it. But I mean there's always
Speaker 1: there's been chattered about some of his circle, which and
Speaker 1: some of the people he keeps around. And I'm not
Speaker 1: taking a shot at you, but that's my point is
Speaker 1: like all all you can really get with this guy's
Speaker 1: like vague platitudes of why oh well, there are some
Speaker 1: kind of like tell me something, I'll text you it.
Speaker 1: I don't say it to no microphone, but I'll text you.
Speaker 1: I'll say this though, there might be if you can
Speaker 1: give me something that's legitimately concerning, I'm listening. But otherwise
Speaker 1: he's a stud. I agree on the Thibodeau part of it, though,
Speaker 1: but I will say three of you have Tibodeau, yes,
Speaker 1: but I have Gardeners my number two. If you just
Speaker 1: if you wanted my top five, I said, Thibadeau, Gardner, Cross, Hutchinson,
Speaker 1: those are my top five. I will say this if
Speaker 1: I if I was in Jacksonville right now, if I
Speaker 1: if I was making the call for them, I would
Speaker 1: draft whichever tackle you like that. I don't care, but
Speaker 1: euan Neil, I would draft them because they just signed
Speaker 1: Cam Robinson. I don't care if they got Brandon Sure
Speaker 1: if too. Give Trevor Lawrence the best offensive line in
Speaker 1: football and see what he can do. That's what I
Speaker 1: would do. John Ogden played guard before he played tackle.
Speaker 1: And you know that, John, because you lived in that
Speaker 1: part of the world. Yeah, you know. So don't tell
Speaker 1: me these guys can't. You can't go get the best
Speaker 1: guy and play him somewhere else and then move him
Speaker 1: to where you have to move him. But I think
Speaker 1: the thing with Thibodeau, and this is what's going to happen,
Speaker 1: because next year, when we're doing this all together, it's
Speaker 1: going to be like we're gonna be talking about a
Speaker 1: bunch of Thibodeaus. They care about their ego and they
Speaker 1: care about their These players are going to start getting
Speaker 1: paid or to play football in college. Yeah, it's going
Speaker 1: to be about brands. It's going to be about flash,
Speaker 1: it's going to be about product placement and all that stuff.
Speaker 1: Are we going to say, oh, well this guy next year,
Speaker 1: Oh he really doesn't like football. No, we're saying that
Speaker 1: because maybe this guy might be a little bit of
Speaker 1: a jerk. And yeah, you're right, Bobby. Maybe there's people
Speaker 1: that you know at Oregon will tell you though, well,
Speaker 1: hey man, this guy is kind of like he doesn't
Speaker 1: want to play all the time. He doesn't want to
Speaker 1: He's a little bit like, hey, i'd shut it down
Speaker 1: or something like that. I guarantee you're about to say
Speaker 1: something like that. Yeah, I mean that was one of
Speaker 1: the things you're about. Two three times this year had
Speaker 1: told people at Oregon, I'm opting out after something had
Speaker 1: gone wrong. Yeah, he got hurt. He told them he
Speaker 1: was opting out. They lost to Stanford. He told him
Speaker 1: he was opting out. Like there's a little bit of
Speaker 1: a emotional volatiler stations about our guy Derek Stingley, just
Speaker 1: for whatever that's worth. Yeah, there were some of that
Speaker 1: with Mica too, not to that severity, but that when
Speaker 1: we see guys go up and mosey up to the
Speaker 1: podium in mink coats or cut off shirts or they're
Speaker 1: bedazzled or whatever. The kids are saying. Yeah, I could
Speaker 1: say that that's ego. I could say that that's why
Speaker 1: it's got to run deeper. Yeah, it's got to run.
Speaker 1: Do you think do you think it's legit concerns on Tipodeaux.
Speaker 1: I think there's some things around him. Like I said,
Speaker 1: I don't know so much that there are things about him,
Speaker 1: his ego, everything else like that. Again, the emotional volatility,
Speaker 1: wondering how does that fit into a locker room? How
Speaker 1: coachable is he? That's another thing about the ego there
Speaker 1: is that it's not just an ego like outside, but
Speaker 1: it's also an go in terms of are you gonna
Speaker 1: be able to be coached? Are we gonna be able
Speaker 1: to like work on some of these things with you?
Speaker 1: Because I know that the general consensus from people I
Speaker 1: talked around the NFL is that Thibodeau is not a
Speaker 1: finished product, that there's still a lot raw about him
Speaker 1: that they that will need to be coached out of him.
Speaker 1: And so if that's difficult, it's gonna be tough. All right,
Speaker 1: Let's move off of him and go to some of
Speaker 1: the other guys that you absolutely love. Kyle, who are
Speaker 1: you in love with? At the top of this board,
Speaker 1: I mean Ikey Aquanu, NC State offensive tackle. He's my
Speaker 1: top offensive tackle. I mean, he's just a mean streak.
Speaker 1: He was the biggest bully in college football. Is one
Speaker 1: of the things that I put on my notes about him.
Speaker 1: I think he's a plugin play instant decade of success
Speaker 1: at the tackle spot. Other guys. We mentioned Sauce Garden
Speaker 1: around at Cincinnati cornerback. I know for a fact that
Speaker 1: he is the cowboys top corner now, not very much
Speaker 1: so in their realm, and nor will he fall, at
Speaker 1: least not anticipated to fall past that five six seven
Speaker 1: spot to where they would even have a chance to
Speaker 1: go up and get him. Other names up there, Kyle
Speaker 1: Hamilton's safety out of Notre Dame flies around the field
Speaker 1: sideline to sideline sort of guy. And then Derek Stingley
Speaker 1: Junior from LSU, along with the edge rushers that I
Speaker 1: mentioned earlier. That's almost my entire top five or top ten.
Speaker 1: Who do you love, Dave? I think, well, I think
Speaker 1: that's going back to what we were talking about the beginning.
Speaker 1: It feels like there's like eight to ten names that
Speaker 1: everybody agrees are kind of a cut above the rest, right,
Speaker 1: and then like once you get past, I'll just throw
Speaker 1: Drake London out there as like the tenth or eleventh guy.
Speaker 1: That's when all hell breaks loose. So like I think
Speaker 1: Kyle set it up perfectly. I already said it, so
Speaker 1: I'll be brief, but like I freaking love Jamison Williams.
Speaker 1: I love the guy. I mean, and he's not just fast,
Speaker 1: Like we're not talking about who was the kid that
Speaker 1: Oakland drafted Darius Heyward Bay, We're ain't talking about that.
Speaker 1: Like he can run routes, he can go inside outside,
Speaker 1: like he can be physical. He's not like the biggest
Speaker 1: receiver in the world, but he can do whatever you
Speaker 1: need him to on top of being fast as hell.
Speaker 1: Does the injury worre you know, an Acs' twenty two
Speaker 1: to throw it out there as the same thing. We're
Speaker 1: living in a world where Cam Akers can tear his
Speaker 1: achilles at minicamp and be ready for the playoffs, Like,
Speaker 1: absolutely not. I'm not worried about it brought us. Who
Speaker 1: else is on the top of your board Devin Lloyd,
Speaker 1: linebacker from Utah. And I'm thinking about this as a
Speaker 1: sixty three, two hundred and thirty seven pounds And you
Speaker 1: talk to scouts, Skis and Gallis around the league, They'll
Speaker 1: tell you this might be the closest thing to Michael
Speaker 1: Parsons in this draft because you talk about a guy
Speaker 1: that can finish, you talk about a guy and he
Speaker 1: might play past defense better than Michael Parsons did. So
Speaker 1: I kind of feel like, though that whoever drafts Devin
Speaker 1: Lloyd keep an eye on New England at twenty one.
Speaker 1: That would be one of those ones where I would go,
Speaker 1: they understand the player, so I and I mean Kyle's
Speaker 1: reference from there. But I think there's just been a
Speaker 1: stunning lack of discussion in the last couple of months
Speaker 1: about Kyle Hamilton. Yep, Kyle Hamilton to be it. And
Speaker 1: I know people didn't like, Oh, he ran a four
Speaker 1: seven at Pro Day, and well, I think that's your
Speaker 1: aunts and there were some bad hap Well he ran
Speaker 1: a four or five nine, and the reason he ran
Speaker 1: a four seven was bad habits. He went home, apparently
Speaker 1: and just diddled too much fun in Atlanta. I don't
Speaker 1: even know this funny just didn't work. He didn't he
Speaker 1: didn't go to work. And so that's that's a concerning thing.
Speaker 1: You don't love hear him. But to me, I think
Speaker 1: just when I watched his tape, you watch him against
Speaker 1: Florida State, you watch some of the stuff he does,
Speaker 1: it's he's so instinctual. I think against the run, I
Speaker 1: think that even though there are questions about the way
Speaker 1: he can cover, I think that he's he's really good
Speaker 1: at seeing things a step ahead of everybody else, even
Speaker 1: in coverage at times. And so I love Kyle Hamilton.
Speaker 1: That's a guy that I would absolutely feel fine if
Speaker 1: I was the Cowboys, if they were up there picking
Speaker 1: him the top five, That's who I'd want would be
Speaker 1: Kyle Hamilton. How much has positional value impacted y'all's view
Speaker 1: and scouting on all of this? We just talked about
Speaker 1: a linebacker, which there was a lot of angry people
Speaker 1: last year over Michael Parsons the Cowboys. I don't even
Speaker 1: think knew he could rush the pastor like that dan Quinn.
Speaker 1: Dan Quinn got that out of him, for sure. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but the people there's people in the organization and a
Speaker 1: George Edwards, the linebackers coach, I asked him that question.
Speaker 1: He's like, he goes, no, we knew this guy had
Speaker 1: that ability. Yeah, And I'm like, man, he didn't even
Speaker 1: play last year, right, how did you know that? But
Speaker 1: you're talking about linebacker? Bobby said, he's stunned at the
Speaker 1: you know, the lack of talk about Hamilton. He's a safety,
Speaker 1: right see all the and I think Hamilton's a great
Speaker 1: example though, And you're you're absolutely right, and that was
Speaker 1: not to like, like, my first immediate question is can
Speaker 1: Hamiltons cover? Yeah, I think he can. I think you
Speaker 1: can't see I think I think because if there's a question,
Speaker 1: then you know, I think Dax's Hill, the Michigan safety,
Speaker 1: can cover better. How about that? Because then if he can't,
Speaker 1: if that, if he's not a plus there, then you know,
Speaker 1: I think Jamal Adams and let's let's move along. See.
Speaker 1: I think j Hamilton is a great example. I think
Speaker 1: Hamilton is like where football is going because, like I
Speaker 1: just I kind of feel like that Hamilton was when
Speaker 1: I was starting to draft in the early nineties, that
Speaker 1: big bang yeah, like the side look at all the
Speaker 1: stuf Taylor maze usc way back in the day. I mean,
Speaker 1: we're not We're not talking about a guy and I
Speaker 1: think he can do some of this, But we're not
Speaker 1: talking about Ed Reid, who's gonna be like off the
Speaker 1: screen on tape. You remember playing listen to me, you
Speaker 1: repeat your stories a lot. We're not talking about while
Speaker 1: we're talking. We're talking and this is gonna sound silly
Speaker 1: because he was a seventh round pick, but we're talking
Speaker 1: about jay Ron Curse. Like we're talking about a guy
Speaker 1: who can do some cover. He can play in the slot.
Speaker 1: These tight ends are getting bigger and more athletic and
Speaker 1: getting more of a part of the passing game. You
Speaker 1: can go down in the box and take that guy away,
Speaker 1: like that's what you use a Kyle ham Don't you
Speaker 1: look at don't you look like? We will told the
Speaker 1: story with you guys after they picked Tony Pollard that
Speaker 1: there was a specific run in the Senior Bowl where
Speaker 1: they saw it, and they go like there is, yeah,
Speaker 1: and like they can see some of those things and
Speaker 1: there are moments where you see it. To me, it's
Speaker 1: like when you talk about Hamilton's like, yeah, is it
Speaker 1: always consistent coverage? No? You know, can he play center
Speaker 1: field like Ed Reid? No? But the play I go
Speaker 1: back to is he's on the opposite hash against Florida State.
Speaker 1: They're rolling out and he just comes out of nowhere
Speaker 1: to the opposite sideline and just jumps in front of
Speaker 1: the receiver. That was. That's as good as any free safety.
Speaker 1: You see him play a lot of slot. You do
Speaker 1: see him play a lot of the spot, But I
Speaker 1: don't know if you want to put him in the
Speaker 1: slot against NFL guys, put him in the slot against
Speaker 1: who though, like put him in the slot against the
Speaker 1: tiny little slot. That's what I'm saying again, Okay, Kelsey,
Speaker 1: but we say what we've seen with these slot players
Speaker 1: over the you know, over the years now here, I mean,
Speaker 1: how effective the slot players. I'm not trying to kill
Speaker 1: the kid. I'm just saying, though, there's things you see
Speaker 1: him do at Notre Dame when he's playing Virginia in
Speaker 1: Virginia Tech and people like that. You're like, oh, that's
Speaker 1: pretty damn impressive. You know, he moves well for a
Speaker 1: six four guy. He really really, really really does. He's
Speaker 1: a physical player. He's a great tackler, I think. But
Speaker 1: you know, it's funny you say that about Curse. We
Speaker 1: were all like, oh, here's another one of those cowboys signings.
Speaker 1: You know, it's a safety Clinton Dicks, Oh you know,
Speaker 1: all that stuff like that. You know, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I mean, we were we weren't given curse. Dan Quinn.
Speaker 1: If you tell me you're gonna take if you're gonna
Speaker 1: take this Notre Dame safety and you're gonna and you're
Speaker 1: gonna play them, I'm saying, yaya. Because of dan Quinn,
Speaker 1: anybody else might Nolan, I might be going, WHOA would
Speaker 1: you just do? But there are Covin after Kelvin, Joseph
Speaker 1: and Nasham, right, I think you know what? I think
Speaker 1: they knew about the plan. No, no, no, I no, no,
Speaker 1: I'm joking half what I'm saying though, as far as
Speaker 1: how about this they were thinking about at this time
Speaker 1: last year, drafted a cornerback? I mentioned sir Tann and
Speaker 1: Horn even though they had all three of these starters.
Speaker 1: And now we're not really talking about drafting a corner here,
Speaker 1: are we, because everybody's like, whoa. Dan Quinn made these
Speaker 1: guys play a lot better than they are. Tray Bon
Speaker 1: Digg's taking a step and having eleven interception certainly helped
Speaker 1: that conversation. Yeah, dan Quinn and those guys putting them
Speaker 1: in position to make plays. I just think to go
Speaker 1: back to the original question, what scares me about Burks?
Speaker 1: They are like the money. I love Burks more than
Speaker 1: anybody else does, too, Yeah, because I got to make
Speaker 1: him do what you need to do. They are like
Speaker 1: these positions where you only need to be good at
Speaker 1: one thing to be good like edge rusher, quarterback obviously cornerback.
Speaker 1: You're like go out to the boundary and just take
Speaker 1: care of that guy. If you're not one of those
Speaker 1: safety linebacker, you got to be able to do a
Speaker 1: bunch of stuff. And that's what scared us about Mica
Speaker 1: is like, is he just gonna tackle people that's not valuable?
Speaker 1: But that's not all he does, and I feel the
Speaker 1: same way about him. I'm not sure if everyone's aware,
Speaker 1: but a lot of Cowboy fans are a little bit
Speaker 1: irritated over this offseason and people think Stephen Jones has
Speaker 1: turned into the number one sports villain in town. And
Speaker 1: the question has become have they put too much pressure
Speaker 1: on the guy running this show that starts tonight? We'll
Speaker 1: answer that question next. Is there too much pressure on
Speaker 1: Will McClay. This is the twenty twenty two NFL Draft
Speaker 1: on one O five Through the Fan and Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 1: dot Com. What up, Dallas Cowboys dot Com crew, we
Speaker 1: are still here. Sean Shariffe, Kyle Yeoman's, Dave helm and
Speaker 1: Brian brought us some Bobby Belt. I want to ask
Speaker 1: you guys about opinions changing. Yeah, should they change? When
Speaker 1: do they change? Because we're talking about Thibadeau. He was
Speaker 1: the number one pick and now he's twelve. We're talking
Speaker 1: about Walker. He was in the second round and now
Speaker 1: he's the number one pick. So, Brian, you've lived this, Yeah,
Speaker 1: when does it change? What changes and influences you in
Speaker 1: terms of and then you say I should have just
Speaker 1: stuck with that original fie. No, No, this is where
Speaker 1: And I appreciate Kyle bringing this up though, because I
Speaker 1: think that if you you know, tonight, people were asking
Speaker 1: me because I had I post my board and I
Speaker 1: don't know how to do the Google thing all that
Speaker 1: you can go on my Twitter and you know, I
Speaker 1: don't know how to do all that crap you can
Speaker 1: ask us. But but well I'll help, You'll just sound
Speaker 1: to do it. But but but see he's pitching baseball
Speaker 1: right now in Houston talking. But see that That's where
Speaker 1: I'm at right now, because people are like, well, you
Speaker 1: didn't have didn't have Johnson here, you didn't have this guy.
Speaker 1: You didn't have this guy. And I said, that's my board.
Speaker 1: I'm proud of my work, you know. I mean, I
Speaker 1: think that's where you have to be right now. Now.
Speaker 1: See we're doing it as individuals them. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of things, you know, there's a lot of that what
Speaker 1: we think that group group think, and that's what you
Speaker 1: get a team like the Rams. The Rams aren't interested
Speaker 1: in group think anymore. When I was a scout back
Speaker 1: in the day, we were interested in group think. Oh,
Speaker 1: let's all get together and put our name on this
Speaker 1: and put them up on the board. You know. That's
Speaker 1: that's what we're That's what we did in the nineties,
Speaker 1: you know, And I think today we're kind of been
Speaker 1: a little bit more. But there's teams like say, Will McClay.
Speaker 1: He's got a tough job where he's got to manage
Speaker 1: the coaches, the scouts, and the Joneses. There's nobody else
Speaker 1: in the league that has to do what he does.
Speaker 1: And I know we're going to talk about that in
Speaker 1: the next segment, but I think that I think if
Speaker 1: you're gonna do this, you know, and you don't have
Speaker 1: to like just follow along the group. Yeah, if you've
Speaker 1: got four or five, six, eight nine guys, people will
Speaker 1: remind you if you suck at this, you do it
Speaker 1: long enough, they'll remind you of all your busts a lot.
Speaker 1: Your owner will say it in a press conference prior
Speaker 1: to the draft. Sure, Dave, what changes for you having
Speaker 1: done this for a number of years now, and at
Speaker 1: what time when you're like, this should be the cutoff point.
Speaker 1: I'm sticking with. I'm sticking with what I what I saw,
Speaker 1: Oh I heard, well, so see that this is the
Speaker 1: this is they're tweeting about this, that the late influence
Speaker 1: is getting in your head. This is the debate that
Speaker 1: I have all the time with guys like Brian and
Speaker 1: and other people that do this. Is like, I try
Speaker 1: to remove my own opinion from it because, like you know,
Speaker 1: Brian's Brian stakes his reputation on this, where he's like,
Speaker 1: this is what I think, whereas I'm more along, I'm
Speaker 1: more of the opinion of like what I think does
Speaker 1: not matter. It doesn't. I don't care it does matter.
Speaker 1: It does. It doesn't though, because they're gonna sit up
Speaker 1: there and make their pick, and they've never once in
Speaker 1: a decade asked me what I thought. I'm waiting. I'm
Speaker 1: waiting for that day. But it allows us to judge
Speaker 1: you not fine. I know they may have been twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: You wanted Ceedee Lamb as much as anybody I think
Speaker 1: everyone in the world wanted. They may have asked you
Speaker 1: that yet, but she didn't get a chance to you
Speaker 1: know what I'm talking about it a story here or
Speaker 1: a leaked rumor there. What's so, it's funny the way
Speaker 1: the ebbs and flows of this thing work, man, Because
Speaker 1: I did say that, like late influence can can be
Speaker 1: a bummer sometimes. But also these last three days before
Speaker 1: the draft, that's when people start saying the juicy stuff too.
Speaker 1: Like again, I mean, yeah, Tyler Smith is not um
Speaker 1: that ain't bs like that is something that's a name too,
Speaker 1: at least no, a possible cowboy, yes, And nobody was
Speaker 1: on that until earlier this week, or at least not
Speaker 1: I've seen his name actually on Twitter. People were asking
Speaker 1: me because people were mocking that, you know, and like
Speaker 1: mel Kiper and those guys mocking that the mel Kipers
Speaker 1: of the world don't do stuff on a whim. Not
Speaker 1: a week before in the draft, no, not in a word,
Speaker 1: Who was it? Josh Norris shout out he got seventeen
Speaker 1: picks right last year. You think that's blind luck or
Speaker 1: do you think it's having a good network of contact.
Speaker 1: I will say I brought up Tyler Smith based off
Speaker 1: of stuff that I was hearing in Indie because I
Speaker 1: did hear something in Indie and you can go back
Speaker 1: and listen to it on the on the Draft show.
Speaker 1: We're sitting there in the radio row and there was
Speaker 1: a moment when I brought up Tyler Smith the Dane,
Speaker 1: and that's when Dane initially was like, man, I just
Speaker 1: don't I don't know, like and that's where we kind
Speaker 1: of had our conversation, talked about him as a second
Speaker 1: round prospect, but at twenty four, at that point we
Speaker 1: felt like it was too rich. I still feel that
Speaker 1: way to a certain extent for me, But it goes
Speaker 1: back to what Brian was saying in our opening segment.
Speaker 1: Just because you have him as a second round grade
Speaker 1: at thirty thirty five, whatever, doesn't mean you can't take
Speaker 1: him at twenty four. Because if you can't, if you
Speaker 1: don't take him at twenty four, you're not gonna see
Speaker 1: him last until fifty six. And also, to the point
Speaker 1: we made earlier, Brian's forty five could be there twenty two,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, there's no way to know. All right,
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Speaker 1: Brian brought us let's go back to the Cowboys before
Speaker 1: we get Jacksonville on the clock. This in eleven years
Speaker 1: of doing radio here and as a part of this
Speaker 1: team to the Cowboys Network, this is easily the most
Speaker 1: irate the fan base has been in the off season.
Speaker 1: We're used to them not spending. I know that's a
Speaker 1: national narrative. Julry wants this. Let's go gamble, and we
Speaker 1: know that Steven maybe a little bit more in control,
Speaker 1: but compensation from Maury Cooper, Leo Collins rolling out the door,
Speaker 1: bringing in some no names, the Randy Gregory debacle, the
Speaker 1: two for ones that are supposed to be better than Randy.
Speaker 1: According to Jerry the other day, Bobby Belt, where are we?
Speaker 1: Where are we, mister Cowboys insider with this Cowboys offseason?
Speaker 1: And is the question fair that this team is putting
Speaker 1: way too much pressure on Will McClay to continue to
Speaker 1: hit home run draft picks I mean, does will feel
Speaker 1: that way. I don't know. Do they feel that way?
Speaker 1: I don't know, But just from my perspective when I
Speaker 1: look at it's like, that's a lot you're putting on
Speaker 1: them consistently every year of like we'll go bargain bin
Speaker 1: shop and maybe it works out, maybe it doesn't, but
Speaker 1: you know that we can trust that our scout and
Speaker 1: stuff do that. It's a it's a great compliment to them,
Speaker 1: and it's it's a vote of confidence in them. And
Speaker 1: I'm sure that's great, but it is a lot of
Speaker 1: pressure to go, man, especially in a draft like this
Speaker 1: where you don't feel like there's going to be a
Speaker 1: first round necessarily right where you're picking, and then you
Speaker 1: have to weigh like, well, how much do you want
Speaker 1: to sacrifice? Some want to give up? When I when
Speaker 1: I've been talking about some of these calls about do
Speaker 1: they give up a second? Do they give up a third?
Speaker 1: You know, I've heard chatter about that that they could
Speaker 1: go up. Somebody around the league who's very connected had
Speaker 1: reached out to me today it was like, I don't
Speaker 1: see really anybody giving up a second or a third
Speaker 1: unless they are going up for elite because in this
Speaker 1: draft like, that's where everybody wants their picks right now, second, third, fourth, fifth.
Speaker 1: They don't want to they don't want to move around
Speaker 1: the first. That's why nobody's trying to go up right now.
Speaker 1: And so I think it's gonna be really tough for
Speaker 1: the fan base to, you know, feel great about where
Speaker 1: things are after this weekend, just because there's no studs
Speaker 1: at the top. No matter what they do, there's going
Speaker 1: to be a section of the fan base that's going
Speaker 1: to be upset with it, and it's gonna complain about
Speaker 1: it because well, you didn't get a lineman or oh
Speaker 1: you you trade it up to get this, and you
Speaker 1: sacrifice this and we have too many holes. People are
Speaker 1: going to be upset regardless. But yeah, there they're in
Speaker 1: a very frustrated state, the most fresh night I can
Speaker 1: recall them being in several years. The fan base, you
Speaker 1: guys live in this building. Do you think that Will
Speaker 1: McClay can keep going in for raises every off season
Speaker 1: based upon this formula? I mean, since twenty ten, no
Speaker 1: team in the NFL has had more all Pro draft
Speaker 1: picks in the entire league than the Dallas Cowboys. The
Speaker 1: scary part about that is that since twenty ten, no
Speaker 1: team in the NFL has had more all pro draft picks,
Speaker 1: because at some point your luck runs out, right. I
Speaker 1: mean a lot of this is, yes, it's preparation, it's homework,
Speaker 1: it's being in the right spot at the right time
Speaker 1: in terms of a draft pick, but a lot of
Speaker 1: it is the players working out to your favor as well.
Speaker 1: And last year you felt like Micah Parsons fell in
Speaker 1: your lap. That wasn't necessarily Hey, we're going into this
Speaker 1: drafting Micah Parsons. They made the adjustment, they made the pick,
Speaker 1: and ultimately he ends up being the defensive rookie of
Speaker 1: the year. That's not always going to happen. So, going
Speaker 1: back to what Bobby was saying a moment ago, if
Speaker 1: you're not adding that talent, you're not adding that supplemental
Speaker 1: free agency help. At some point along the way, that
Speaker 1: pressure ultimately is going to force a crack. I don't
Speaker 1: want it to happen, of course, being in this building
Speaker 1: and working with the fantastic crew across the way, and
Speaker 1: they do a great job of drafting, don't get me wrong,
Speaker 1: But it's just the law of averages. At some point
Speaker 1: it will even out. You just don't want it to
Speaker 1: be sooner rather than later. That's that last part. Just
Speaker 1: cut that out and play it again, because that's Will.
Speaker 1: I think the world of Will's I say it every
Speaker 1: every year. I beat it into the ground. He's one
Speaker 1: of my favorite people in this organization. As a guy,
Speaker 1: I think he's awesome at his job. The track record
Speaker 1: speaks for itself. He's been running the draft since fourteen.
Speaker 1: I mean put it up against anybody in the league.
Speaker 1: Firmly believe that he's had some stinkers too. He's got
Speaker 1: to wear taco He does he? Stephen did? He? Depends
Speaker 1: on who you asked earlier in the week. Hey, they
Speaker 1: all have a hand in it. And so if even
Speaker 1: somebody with Will mcclay's track record can have that on
Speaker 1: his resume. Twenty nineteen class, I know they didn't have
Speaker 1: a first round pick, but other than Tony Pollard doesn't
Speaker 1: look wonderful. So it is possible for even somebody as
Speaker 1: great as they are at this to screw this up.
Speaker 1: And when you're not bringing talent into your roster any
Speaker 1: other way, short answer, Sean, Yes, they are putting way
Speaker 1: too much pressure on their scouting. Most Pro Bowl players
Speaker 1: who said, since two thy since twenty ten coaching coaching.
Speaker 1: Think about that, Yeah, bringing in guys, bringing in talent.
Speaker 1: Ten years of Jason Garrett, ten years of trying to
Speaker 1: figure out Scott Lenahan and whoever else. You know, Give
Speaker 1: me ten years of Dan Quinn using these players, you know, gimme,
Speaker 1: gimme guys that, like I say, we learned a lot
Speaker 1: about this. We were begging for this defense to be
Speaker 1: middle of the road. Yeah, top five scoring defense and
Speaker 1: all that stuff. They didn't. I mean, they added guys,
Speaker 1: they added they but they added you know, they added
Speaker 1: the defensive but basically the defensive player of the year.
Speaker 1: But think about that, Think about all those picks and
Speaker 1: how frustrated you might be if you're if you're a
Speaker 1: player personnel guy, and you're like, damn, I'm giving them players.
Speaker 1: Why are we not having success? Yeah? You know, and
Speaker 1: it's you know, and I'm and will and him not
Speaker 1: going to point the finger at the coaches, but I will,
Speaker 1: I'll point the finger at those guys and say, listen,
Speaker 1: you wasted a lot of guys here. Garrett's on Twitter,
Speaker 1: and I'll be careful, I don't care, you know, but
Speaker 1: you know he has to look at that he got
Speaker 1: let go. You know, they gave him ten years here
Speaker 1: with a damn good roster, you know, and that you
Speaker 1: got to look at that, and we loved dan Quinn.
Speaker 1: Now right, he loved dan Quinn because he's taken players
Speaker 1: and putting them in positions to make plays. I'll tell
Speaker 1: you another thing about this, Oh boy, I love it
Speaker 1: when he get nervous. No, what are you nervous about
Speaker 1: when you have job security? Yeah, we've talked about this
Speaker 1: on the Draft show. You're not going inhere. None of
Speaker 1: these guys are going anywhere. Will McClay is very happy
Speaker 1: about being here. They're comfortable with Will McClay. Will mcclay's
Speaker 1: figured out how to marry the coaches with the Joneses
Speaker 1: with the scouts. Hard thing to do. They're he's not
Speaker 1: Will's not going. He's had opportunities, but you know, he's
Speaker 1: got family. But really, if you know, Jason Light at
Speaker 1: Tampa several years ago, but three years ago, two years ago,
Speaker 1: his butt was on the line. He gets Tom Brady
Speaker 1: in his lap, he's gonna get fired. My man, let's
Speaker 1: snead out there f them picks. He's talking to me
Speaker 1: like Cruden's gonna come here and blow me out. Bro.
Speaker 1: You got you know, you got the wonder boy coach
Speaker 1: you know who doesn't really care about the draft. That's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Sometimes it's about those coaches. Sometimes it's
Speaker 1: about the people you bring in. You know, when you
Speaker 1: don't have security, you will do whatever you have to
Speaker 1: do to build your roster. That's somebody else's problem, Bro,
Speaker 1: I traded away all the first round picks for the
Speaker 1: next two years. Yeah, that's somebody else's deal. It doesn't
Speaker 1: happen here. A lot of security here. I've said that
Speaker 1: a few times this year is and like that. They
Speaker 1: will never they would never admit this publicly. But I
Speaker 1: just wonder, are we allowed to talk like this in
Speaker 1: this building. I haven't done this before. Oh no, they're
Speaker 1: not afraid. We're not. They're not afraid. They'll let you
Speaker 1: go as you're fair. We might be, we might be
Speaker 1: team employees, but hey, they let us say it and be.
Speaker 1: Maybe we're not everybody's favorite employee because of it, but
Speaker 1: that's okay. I got rid of me. Um No, I
Speaker 1: just behind closed doors. Like you hear it from the
Speaker 1: fan base all the time. They're not better on paper
Speaker 1: than they were last year, they are not. Dalton Schultz
Speaker 1: said that, yeah, there we go exactly, and one of
Speaker 1: the guys they brought back. I just wonder if behind
Speaker 1: closed doors they're like, that's okay. This like like we're
Speaker 1: good enough to win the East. We might not be
Speaker 1: a contender, but that's okay. We'll be in better cap
Speaker 1: shape next year. We'll have more money. And again this
Speaker 1: is in their meetings, they're saying, we're gonna kill this draft.
Speaker 1: We're just we're gonna add three badasses. We'll win the East.
Speaker 1: Maybe we you know, we we we're not gonna take
Speaker 1: another step this year, but we can take steps in
Speaker 1: twenty three and twenty four. And they can't say that
Speaker 1: out loud because it would piss off their fans. But
Speaker 1: it's a very plausible idea to me that they feel
Speaker 1: that way well. And McCarthy even said it to lead
Speaker 1: off the press conference the other day where he said,
Speaker 1: I think what you guys perceive our needs are and
Speaker 1: what we think our needs are is going to be different.
Speaker 1: And I think that when you look at I think
Speaker 1: they think they're I think no, I think they have
Speaker 1: I think they believe they've got a lot of the
Speaker 1: talent in place that they need. Yes, they need a
Speaker 1: starting an offensive linemen right now. They've talked very openly
Speaker 1: about that. They probably need another receiver, they need some
Speaker 1: of these things. I think what they feel like, and
Speaker 1: part of this process has been about I think I
Speaker 1: think what they feel like they're missing in a lot
Speaker 1: of ways isn't always the talent. I think they're worried
Speaker 1: about the intangibles and the toughness and the leadership trade
Speaker 1: and I think they that's been part of this process.
Speaker 1: I think for them. I think that's why you've heard
Speaker 1: some of the ties that they love how tough Trerever
Speaker 1: Penning is. They love the chip on his shoulder. I
Speaker 1: think I think that's part of this evaluation more so
Speaker 1: than maybe in years past. They're looking for toughness, they're
Speaker 1: looking for guys who have the intangibles, and they're also
Speaker 1: looking down the road as well, because you and Pinning
Speaker 1: being an example, Tyler Smith offensive tackle from Tulsa being
Speaker 1: an example. Right now this day and age, at this
Speaker 1: point in the time, offensive tackle isn't the number one
Speaker 1: need for the Cowboys, But in two years it might be.
Speaker 1: Because in three years it might be, they might be
Speaker 1: in eight games, and you're exactly right. The tyrant Smith
Speaker 1: thing continues to hover over every season, and I think
Speaker 1: they're tired of that to a certain extent. So if
Speaker 1: even if they do take a tackle this year, which
Speaker 1: I think Bobby's spot on with Pinning, and then of
Speaker 1: course you've heard the rumors with Smith, if they take
Speaker 1: a tackle, that's looking at maybe an interior fixed short term,
Speaker 1: and then you look long term into it being a
Speaker 1: potential tackle replacement moving into the future. They're trying to
Speaker 1: think about it that way. I'm not saying it's the
Speaker 1: right pick, or at least I'm not saying I would
Speaker 1: make that pick, but they've got different thought processes going
Speaker 1: on across the building than we even do in this room.
Speaker 1: We're just not used to as a fan base a
Speaker 1: step backwards off season. It's always it's always usually treading water.
Speaker 1: If we're being on Yeah, well maybe Jerry sells it
Speaker 1: a little bit more than that, but this feels like
Speaker 1: a legitimate step back off season. And I think, you know,
Speaker 1: people are angry that we're in the NFC East, whereas
Speaker 1: usually it's celebrated because it's like, oh, that allows them
Speaker 1: to get away with eleven and six, even though it
Speaker 1: could be a first round exit. That's what I'm saying is,
Speaker 1: you know, just looking at it, it's like, we can
Speaker 1: win the East with this roster. Yeah, absolutely they can
Speaker 1: because these sucks. They felt like they were close last
Speaker 1: year too, which is adding to the frustration of the
Speaker 1: step back this year too, because you felt like you
Speaker 1: were there, you were on the doorstep. Now, of course
Speaker 1: the way that it ended doesn't necessarily look like that
Speaker 1: you had a long way to go, but from a
Speaker 1: roster on paper standpoint, you felt like you had what
Speaker 1: it took to take a sea I can out run.
Speaker 1: I think they felt like that way for a lot
Speaker 1: of the season. I think by the end of the season,
Speaker 1: I think they felt like they had kind of gotten
Speaker 1: slapped in the face a little bit and like, oh,
Speaker 1: we're not quite where we thought we were. And I
Speaker 1: think that's why they weren't wanted to do a full rebuild.
Speaker 1: But I think they wanted to renovate. It's like fix
Speaker 1: up right parts of this That's a wonderful analogy. They're like,
Speaker 1: they're trying to renovate it on the fly. They're like,
Speaker 1: let's shed some of these bad contracts, I mean, if
Speaker 1: you take it back to Jalen that they got rid of,
Speaker 1: like what three hefty contracts that they didn't want to
Speaker 1: have to deal with. Now, I don't think all of
Speaker 1: those decisions were I don't get why Lyle Collins doesn't
Speaker 1: need to be on this team right now, Like that's
Speaker 1: weird to me. And I go back to what Bobby was.
Speaker 1: I don't want I don't get Amari Cooper either, but
Speaker 1: that's beside the point they shed the salary. Maybe those
Speaker 1: two things you're talking about though, when you're saying the
Speaker 1: front office just not happy with either guy, Yeah, we're
Speaker 1: a little bit hypocritical. Yeah, you know, we forget so
Speaker 1: when the playoffs start, well, not when the playoffs start.
Speaker 1: When the playoffs continue, we're all tweeting the same thing.
Speaker 1: Cowboys don't belong on the field with these guys. Cowboys
Speaker 1: will get smoked by Buffalo, Cowboys will get destroyed by
Speaker 1: this team or that team. And then when they show
Speaker 1: us maybe in the off season, hey we aren't what
Speaker 1: we thought we were. Let's get rid of these guys.
Speaker 1: These aren't twenty million dollar players. Then we get mad
Speaker 1: about it. So I'm a hypocrite with it. But we
Speaker 1: didn't think that we were on that championship level in
Speaker 1: the playoffs. We're going on and maybe Jerry and Stephen
Speaker 1: were like, let's be really, maybe mid season you were.
Speaker 1: That's oh, I was mid season. The team we watched
Speaker 1: in December and January just wasn't the one that I
Speaker 1: thought it was. And that's that's Zeke getting injured. That's
Speaker 1: the offensive line falling apart. That's Dak refuses to blame
Speaker 1: the calf injury, but something happened to him. He was
Speaker 1: not the same. Yeah, people look at me sideways when
Speaker 1: I say this, Like he was in the thick of
Speaker 1: the MVP race. Was he was in October Kyler Murray
Speaker 1: and him. He was in the thick of There was
Speaker 1: an entire podcast on the Athletic after the Falcons game
Speaker 1: where it's like Dak Prescott is the MVP of the NFL.
Speaker 1: Robert May's and Nate Tice were like, are we crazy
Speaker 1: if we think Dak's the MVP? And that was a
Speaker 1: national conversation, and he wasn't that guy the second half
Speaker 1: of the season. Like I said, for whatever reason, I
Speaker 1: love the toughness point though from from Bobby because when
Speaker 1: San Francisco walked down. Kyle Shannon was like talking smack
Speaker 1: before the playoff game, saying, we know that they don't
Speaker 1: want to handle our run game. And I was like, WHOA,
Speaker 1: You're not supposed to be saying that, like making headlines.
Speaker 1: And when Deebo Samuel and Trent Williams were walking down
Speaker 1: that tunnel groundling Kodak black just blaring on it, I
Speaker 1: was like, ohh And then on that first drive we
Speaker 1: all said oh oh, and they got smacked in the
Speaker 1: mouth in their own stadium. Yeah to I mean, to
Speaker 1: a certain extent, that's what happened, and it happened. It
Speaker 1: wasn't just San Francisco that was the culmination. But you
Speaker 1: looked at throughout the year, Denver did it to him,
Speaker 1: Kansas City did it to him. They consistently we're getting
Speaker 1: out physical, and I think that's part of what they're
Speaker 1: trying to change. I do, I just I can't. I
Speaker 1: can't let go of the notion like on paper, No,
Speaker 1: like I do, I think they are as good as
Speaker 1: Buffalo or Kansas City, of course not, but like Cincinnati,
Speaker 1: that Tampa team that ranged up by the end of
Speaker 1: the year, the ram the one had us even with
Speaker 1: the Rams throughout the year. It's like a fifty fifty
Speaker 1: coin flip. They had an all star roster too, though
Speaker 1: they were I mean, they were exceptionally good and they
Speaker 1: played the best. I think the Cowboys roster was good enough.
Speaker 1: They just didn't play well enough for a variety of reason.
Speaker 1: All right, let's get this thing going. That was a
Speaker 1: good first hour. Yeah, can can we maintain? Can we increase?
Speaker 1: All right, let's do it. There we go one two,
Speaker 1: three team. Uh, let's get this thing going. With Roger
Speaker 1: Goodell getting booed at the podium, it's the twenty twenty
Speaker 1: two NFL Draft getting ready to get officially started on
Speaker 1: one oh five through the fan and Dallas Cowboys dot Com.
Speaker 1: I gotta take this call real quick. Boys. All right, guys,
Speaker 1: we continue on Dallas Cowboys dot Com. Probably the longest
Speaker 1: that I've ever gone in a one hour draft built
Speaker 1: up without bringing up the most important position in all
Speaker 1: of sports. That would be the quarterbacks. Oh, you're not
Speaker 1: talking running back. I'm not talking running back. Kyle Kyle
Speaker 1: Gellman's Bobby Belt and Dave Hellman. How bad is this
Speaker 1: quarterback class? That's hard. We just laid out on that
Speaker 1: right there. I have a personal interest in this. For
Speaker 1: those that don't know, I host a morning show on
Speaker 1: the Cowboys flagship, and my co host and my producer, Troy,
Speaker 1: who's is running our broadcast tie on the radio side. Uh,
Speaker 1: they have a humongous bet involving a shock caller that
Speaker 1: if no, if no quarterback goes in the top ten,
Speaker 1: one will get shocked. If one does go in the
Speaker 1: top ten, the other will get lit up. On our
Speaker 1: morning shows. Who's who's on side? R J says, Shoppy's
Speaker 1: getting shock. A quarterback has to and will go top ten.
Speaker 1: I think Choppy's getting you do so Caroline at six?
Speaker 1: Will that determine it? We got a lot of we
Speaker 1: got a lot of teams in the top ten with
Speaker 1: quarterback needs. I think the Seattle technically could go there,
Speaker 1: but I don't think they will. They could, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I think the Panthers at six is probably the number
Speaker 1: one there. Giants just declined an option, but I don't
Speaker 1: know if they'll necessarily pull that trigger. You hearing anything
Speaker 1: Bobby from around now? And I'm these quarterbacks when we
Speaker 1: talk about the quarterback class, I'm gonna be so I'm
Speaker 1: so different than everybody else just after watching him, like
Speaker 1: everybody loves Willis, and like I think everybody feels like
Speaker 1: best about Willis's upside, sure, and I think everybody else
Speaker 1: feels like, oh, you know, Kenny Pickett's about the safest
Speaker 1: of them all, like like you can get him in
Speaker 1: and he'll plug in and he'll be a decent starter
Speaker 1: right away. To me, the two quarterbacks I like the
Speaker 1: most are Matt Carral from Old Miss, and I like
Speaker 1: way more than anybody else does. Apparently. I like Carson
Speaker 1: Strong at Nevada. I would I would like, I mean,
Speaker 1: if I was a team that needed a quarterback, I'd
Speaker 1: feel okay taking Strong in the top fifty. I think
Speaker 1: if Strong didn't have basically a reconstructed knee, he would
Speaker 1: be in this first round conversation. I'm right there with you.
Speaker 1: I think he is a great quarterback in black form,
Speaker 1: gig and stand. Yeah, just get him a good offensive line.
Speaker 1: I think I might take Howell if I like had
Speaker 1: to bet on one of these guys beings like him.
Speaker 1: I think I like his athleticism, I like his toughness,
Speaker 1: and I just can't help but think about the fact
Speaker 1: that all of the talent on his team left a
Speaker 1: year before he did. Like, he had two running backs
Speaker 1: get drafted. He had some good receivers on that twenty
Speaker 1: twenty Carolina team. I just wonder if he just didn't
Speaker 1: have any help last year. I'm gonna chug my energy
Speaker 1: drink now, I'm gonna do it. Yeah, we're on. We're
Speaker 1: on dot com. Nobody cares. Are we talking about quarterboard back?
Speaker 1: We are your specialty. Yeah, I'm so good at this.
Speaker 1: I actually have gotten better. I have gotten better. Loved
Speaker 1: Mames and Alan. I didn't, and I took a lot
Speaker 1: of grief. I got Picket and then I got Willis
Speaker 1: Corral and how But I got Willis Corral and how
Speaker 1: All in the second round. So you flipped on Corral.
Speaker 1: I thought he was your top. Yeah, I started to
Speaker 1: kind of. I went back and I got some more tape. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I really do love his toughness. I think there's
Speaker 1: there's something about his leadership is really really good. And
Speaker 1: I think guys gravitate towards him. I'll tell you what,
Speaker 1: I'm gutless because I should have put Willis ahead of
Speaker 1: Picket is what I should haven't either, though. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think that I think that Willis is really, really, really good.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. The guy that everybody's liking is
Speaker 1: our guy at Cincinna, Addie Ritter. I think everybody is
Speaker 1: starting to like, you know, I wouldn't be surprised if
Speaker 1: he went in the bottom of the first round. I
Speaker 1: could see Ritter in like the twenty five to thirty six.
Speaker 1: Let's make it happen. Willis is easily easily the most
Speaker 1: intriguing from a talent. He is electric. But the thing is,
Speaker 1: and I've like, I've heard this from people. I'm not
Speaker 1: I'm not guessing, like I just how quickly can he
Speaker 1: be ready to play NFL football? Do we not care?
Speaker 1: Do we not care as much about who you face
Speaker 1: in college anymore? I mean, you know what, but heat
Speaker 1: his game against Old Miss if you want to watch
Speaker 1: Old Miss? And how because Liberty took some people to
Speaker 1: the matt did they? Virginia Tech was another one. I
Speaker 1: think that they were in a game like it was
Speaker 1: in Blacksburg that where they were just tote toe. This
Speaker 1: kid was a transfer from Auburn, so you knew that
Speaker 1: he had that that kind of that pedigree, you know,
Speaker 1: but they ran him off. But man, this guy was
Speaker 1: one of the most exciting players I scouted a year.
Speaker 1: When you're talking about all the things that he could do,
Speaker 1: and he took a beating in that Old Miss game.
Speaker 1: What do you think gave him a chance to win?
Speaker 1: What do you think about what they ask him to do? Though?
Speaker 1: Like is he ready to like drop? Can he like
Speaker 1: turn his back to the defense. He never got to
Speaker 1: do that though I was. I called the Liberty North
Speaker 1: Texas game, and I talked to Hugh frees going into that.
Speaker 1: The guy just raved about him. And Hugh Freeze has
Speaker 1: seen quarterbacks along the way that have been fantastic. He says,
Speaker 1: this guy's up there with any of the other ones
Speaker 1: that I've faced that I've coached in terms of off
Speaker 1: the field on the field. And he had zero offensive line.
Speaker 1: Let me let me reiterate that he had no offensive
Speaker 1: line to work with. All Right, we're getting ready to
Speaker 1: get this thing going from Vegas. Oh, they got the
Speaker 1: fountain going out there. Let's see what else they do
Speaker 1: as we get ready to rejoin the fan. Good evening, y'all.
Speaker 1: Ford Center at the Star is the site of our
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two NFL Draft coverage with Sean Sharif Cowboys
Speaker 1: inside our Bobby Belt. Our lead Scalt Brian brought us
Speaker 1: in from Dallas Cowboys dot Com, David Hellman and Kyle
Speaker 1: Yeoman's the scene is set. They are packed deep in
Speaker 1: Las Vegas. A lot of people I would say the
Speaker 1: pandemic is over. I would say that that it is over,
Speaker 1: so a lot of intrigue. We still don't know what's
Speaker 1: happening at number one. With Jacksonville on the clock, then
Speaker 1: it will be the Detroit Lions, the Houston Texans, the
Speaker 1: New York Jets, and then the New York Giants will
Speaker 1: start to get things going. With the NFC East selections.
Speaker 1: They're gonna pick at five and seven, with Carolina sandwiched
Speaker 1: in between. Give our listening audience a little little preview
Speaker 1: of what you guys are getting from this draft class.
Speaker 1: How how is this draft class defined in terms of
Speaker 1: the talent Bobby Belt. It's very very deep and at
Speaker 1: the top. You it's not your you necessarily want to
Speaker 1: be picking at the top. I don't think in terms
Speaker 1: of there's not the stud that you'd expect to get
Speaker 1: if you're picking on the top ten. I don't want
Speaker 1: to be picking one, but I would feel fine picking
Speaker 1: ten in the top ten. Like, if you told me
Speaker 1: I had a shot at SaaS Gardner, I'd be very happy. Well,
Speaker 1: it just just depends on what you need then. But
Speaker 1: but in terms of like I mean, you just hear
Speaker 1: some of these people they talk about consistently, like some
Speaker 1: of these teams, you hear them in the interviews talking
Speaker 1: about fourteen first round grades, fifteen first round grades and
Speaker 1: some of the stuff that's going around they I mean,
Speaker 1: I think I think they're just preparing you to say, like,
Speaker 1: all right, we're gonna take somebody that you know, probably
Speaker 1: in the twenties that you're gonna be like, who did
Speaker 1: you just take? And so that's I think there's a
Speaker 1: lot of uncertainty here. This is This is a a
Speaker 1: very fluid I think draft for everybody. It's not one
Speaker 1: of these things where well, the NFL has got to
Speaker 1: beat on all this, they know where this is going.
Speaker 1: I think they're just as confused as we are heading
Speaker 1: into this thing. I love that. I hope you're right.
Speaker 1: I love that so much. That could happen. Yeah, Sean
Speaker 1: said it at the top of the show. Chaos. I
Speaker 1: want chaos. Absolutely, You're an agent of chaos. Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: I tell you what, all the years of doing this though,
Speaker 1: I don't have a great handle on this one. I
Speaker 1: really don't. Because again last night, the more I talk
Speaker 1: to people, and these are guys and gals in the league,
Speaker 1: you know, and they're and they're talking about things, I'm going, okay, stop,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, and they're trying to create you know,
Speaker 1: what if this happens, Well what if you know? And
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, why don't you just how do you
Speaker 1: have your board? You know, how do you have your guys?
Speaker 1: And like, well, we have it, you know, And but
Speaker 1: it just seems like that they maybe Dave was talking
Speaker 1: about it, you're thinking about it too much, you know,
Speaker 1: you're thinking about it just you know, the teams, I
Speaker 1: think the teams that have the continuity to their drafting department,
Speaker 1: maybe this is an opportunity for a team like the
Speaker 1: Cowboys that does have consistency the way they draft that
Speaker 1: maybe they won't be all over the place, maybe their
Speaker 1: board won't be like just totally out of whack like
Speaker 1: everybody else's. Keep hearing this story about how Shad Con,
Speaker 1: the owner of the Jags, is like having all these
Speaker 1: meetings with Doug Peterson and Trent Bulk and uh, just
Speaker 1: trying to get on the same page. I'm like that
Speaker 1: sounds exhausting. They all don't agree on Tuesday of draft week, Like, well, see,
Speaker 1: that's the problem. You gotta get to a like I
Speaker 1: used to get to a point when I would study
Speaker 1: for tests, where like it didn't matter if I'm just
Speaker 1: like I know it as well as I'm gonna know it,
Speaker 1: I'm shutting the damn book. Well, that's the problem. And
Speaker 1: again you talk about urban Meyer being the coach. There
Speaker 1: he leaves. You know, week thirteen, No, trimp, Balky was
Speaker 1: really not a general manager. Urban Meyer was the guy
Speaker 1: that was kind of running the personnel department and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. All of a sudden, Trent Balky comes back in.
Speaker 1: Everybody's going, well, Trent got you know, he was not
Speaker 1: really part of it. Now he's running it again. The
Speaker 1: jagstand base had like an active campaign to keep it
Speaker 1: from happening. Yeah, Kyle set us up position wise for
Speaker 1: strengths and weaknesses of this class. Yeah, I think edge
Speaker 1: rushers where it gets deep. You could say the same
Speaker 1: thing about wide receiver. Both of those positions. Edge is
Speaker 1: probably the most complete position group in the entire class,
Speaker 1: because you do have those top names. You have the
Speaker 1: Aidan Hutchinson's, you have the Cabon Thibodeaus, the Treyvon Walkers
Speaker 1: up at the top of the list. Then you've got
Speaker 1: those middle guys that you really feel comfortable about, what
Speaker 1: the George karlop this, the David Ojabos even with his
Speaker 1: achilles injury that he suffered on prote Then you've got
Speaker 1: the back end guys like a Sam Williams and Cameron
Speaker 1: Thomas and Arnold Avicatie that will go in day late,
Speaker 1: day two into day three that you feel like him
Speaker 1: be either developmental guys or impact guys early on. So
Speaker 1: I would say most complete class edge rusher, wide, receivers, deep.
Speaker 1: I would say offensive line not necessarily very deep, and
Speaker 1: then quarterback is not very top tight end. So tight
Speaker 1: end in there for me. Man, Oh yeah, no, I agree,
Speaker 1: because I'm sitting there. You know, there might not be
Speaker 1: a first round tight end. But we've talked about McBride
Speaker 1: from Colorado State, and then you know with Otton Woods,
Speaker 1: Rucker Cole, I mean, they've got some guys that can
Speaker 1: play once McBride goes. Yeah, they're all gonna go. I
Speaker 1: think it's going to be a run and it's not. Again,
Speaker 1: it might not be in the second round, but there's
Speaker 1: going to be a run on these tight ends. Say
Speaker 1: we're talking, we're talking day two stuff here at the
Speaker 1: top of the first But but but what I'm fine, okay,
Speaker 1: but but okay, you mentioned the defensive ends, the wide receivers,
Speaker 1: the corners. I'll tell you this is a good safety
Speaker 1: group too. It is if you need to say, it's
Speaker 1: used only if you like, oh, we can't find a safety.
Speaker 1: And if you can't find a safety out of this
Speaker 1: draft at free or strong, then you don't need to
Speaker 1: be drafted. You'd be doing radio with me, you know
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff because I feel like though that
Speaker 1: to me that that group's pretty deep. The corner is group.
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you what, these linebackers, it's not a
Speaker 1: bad group. When you start to talk about the walkers
Speaker 1: to Christian Harris's Tyndale from Georgia, those types of guys.
Speaker 1: It's a very versatile linebacker class. That's very interesting. You
Speaker 1: have the guys that you look at as a potential
Speaker 1: Micah Parsons, where they can rush the past or they
Speaker 1: can come off the edge. They're almost a glorified stand
Speaker 1: up edge stuff like that. But then you've also got
Speaker 1: these small compact linebackers that are going to fly sideline
Speaker 1: the sideline. There's kind of a there's something for everybody
Speaker 1: from a linebacker standpoint, which bodes well for the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: How about these defensive tackles, how about at the one
Speaker 1: technique the big daddies with like Davis and Jones from
Speaker 1: a Yukon, matth Is from Alabama, Ridgeway Arc and so,
Speaker 1: I mean those are big bodied one technique guys that
Speaker 1: I kind of have. All those three guys, Davis, Jones,
Speaker 1: math is around. Let me just get my satisfaction of
Speaker 1: hearing Roger Bood at the podium to open up this thing. Yes,
Speaker 1: here we go, let's go. Let's right, I guess, come on,
Speaker 1: ns Vegas, let's go. He's like, bring it harder. I'm
Speaker 1: used to worse. Okay, all right, that's enough. I just
Speaker 1: wanted to do it I was hoping for. Wasn't that
Speaker 1: weaker than years past? Guys. I'll tell you what I'm
Speaker 1: really he's with. I'm trying to figure out who the
Speaker 1: guys on the podium Waller and Um the other one
Speaker 1: was definitely Waller. I think future Green Bay Packer. Who
Speaker 1: is that On the end, Bobby Marcus Allen. Marcus Allen
Speaker 1: set us up for the Cowboys and some of the
Speaker 1: names they be they may be looking at tonight at
Speaker 1: twenty four. I think, if you're well, we'll have to
Speaker 1: see how the board plays out before we even start
Speaker 1: talking about trading up. I think we start talking about
Speaker 1: trading uplins we see we get towards like picks ten
Speaker 1: to eleven. Then we start seeing where the board is
Speaker 1: and we can figure out if we think it's something reasonable.
Speaker 1: I think if we're just talking about them, staying back
Speaker 1: at twenty four names, we need to know. You got
Speaker 1: Kenyan Green, the guard from Texas A and m Zion Johnson,
Speaker 1: the do it all lineman from Boston College. I think
Speaker 1: they think of his spot best might be at center.
Speaker 1: Doesn't mean he wouldn't necessarily play guard right out of
Speaker 1: the jump here, But um, I think you've got Treylan Burkes,
Speaker 1: they're super from Arkansas. He would be in contention there.
Speaker 1: And then when we've talked about some of these wipeout snares,
Speaker 1: we've heard the chatter about Tyler Smith at Tulsa the tackle.
Speaker 1: How about maybe as a trade back. I don't know
Speaker 1: about wipe out at twenty four potentially um or you know,
Speaker 1: we we've heard a little bit of chatter in recent
Speaker 1: days that you know, maybe Nakobe Dean would be a
Speaker 1: whiteout guy for them. Yea, which would blow my mind.
Speaker 1: Which would I think we encounter to a lot of
Speaker 1: their stuff. You gotta add Devin Lloyd to just again.
Speaker 1: I mean, I just don't expect Lloyd to be there
Speaker 1: is why fair, totally fair. But if if he's around
Speaker 1: in that range, sure he'd be in the conversation trying
Speaker 1: to read t leaves, knowing that he was a thirty visitor.
Speaker 1: I think it's worth mentioning more likely if there's one
Speaker 1: to move back or move up. Bobby, what you say
Speaker 1: the Cowboys were likely to do up or down? I
Speaker 1: think they're more likely to go up. Why because that's
Speaker 1: where we've talked about it. That's where the value is
Speaker 1: going to be if you want to match the value
Speaker 1: in the first round. Stephen talks about third, fourth, fifth round.
Speaker 1: That's where it's deep. So I think they feel like
Speaker 1: we can get a third round graded player in the third.
Speaker 1: We can get a fourth round in the fourth I
Speaker 1: don't think they feel like they can get a first
Speaker 1: in a second round graded player in those rounds if
Speaker 1: they just stay put. So if you want to go
Speaker 1: up and sure you get a first round graded player,
Speaker 1: go make the deal, get rid of your second and
Speaker 1: then start picking actual value starting in the third round.
Speaker 1: Can you think to trade up for teams in the
Speaker 1: back of the the draft of the wide receivers that
Speaker 1: if one of those wide receivers are on the board,
Speaker 1: because yeah, because I'm kind of feeling like though that
Speaker 1: we're gonna lose a lot of these wide receivers. Yes,
Speaker 1: but if one of them comes sliding down and maybe
Speaker 1: you're not going to pick them, maybe the Cowboys are
Speaker 1: not going to take uh you know, I don't think
Speaker 1: a lobby gets to you or anything like that. But
Speaker 1: maybe there's somebody that that pickings or somebody like that,
Speaker 1: or did they just sit and and I'm not again
Speaker 1: the Cowboys I'm talking about for trade backs, it's more
Speaker 1: likely for somebody to come up. Right. Abel draft is
Speaker 1: now officially open. The Jacksonville Jaguars are now on the clock.
Speaker 1: All right, all right, here we go. I've never noticed
Speaker 1: that Goodell says jaguires. Yeah, Jack, I am a I
Speaker 1: am nothing if not a snotty, pretentious writer. I hate
Speaker 1: when people say jaguiar. You know, you know, you know
Speaker 1: who hates that the most is our old buddy from England,
Speaker 1: Dan Turner, because he worked for the company Jaguar, so
Speaker 1: he hates hearing us say the word jag You are
Speaker 1: is wrong too, yes, but yes, yeah, yeah, of course no.
Speaker 1: I think that when you to me, if they're gonna
Speaker 1: go up, that's the where you get the value. You
Speaker 1: gotta go up. You're gonna have to go up to
Speaker 1: probably twelve to fourteen to actually get the correct value. Now,
Speaker 1: if you want to go up a little bit to
Speaker 1: seventeen to twenty to ensure you get your guy, you
Speaker 1: may be trading up. Honestly, if you go up to
Speaker 1: seventeen to twenty, if you make a little jump like that,
Speaker 1: you may be trading up to get a second round
Speaker 1: graded player. Yeah, that's just the way the board may
Speaker 1: shake out. I agree with that. Again, the teams that
Speaker 1: might come from the back, keep an eye on Kansas City.
Speaker 1: They're really aggressive. You know, maybe that Tennessee might come.
Speaker 1: Tennessee is another team that Bobby was talking about it,
Speaker 1: you know earlier today that was looking to make a jump.
Speaker 1: If in fact that that say Burke's from Arkansas? Is there?
Speaker 1: Tell us who you guys know the Cowboys love. I
Speaker 1: don't care whether it's a twenty four, who's top on
Speaker 1: their board. Whatever, you can tell us and reveal about
Speaker 1: who they love in this draft, Dave, when we have
Speaker 1: the conversation about them trading up, like, oh, a guy
Speaker 1: slides into a realistic range and maybe you consider it.
Speaker 1: The name that is in my brain is Drake London. Yeah,
Speaker 1: every single time they adore him. If you're not, if
Speaker 1: you're not a draft nick, it's the tall usc wide receiver, big, big,
Speaker 1: contested catch guy, big go up and get it guy.
Speaker 1: I think the type of receiver that gets fans excited.
Speaker 1: He just you know, I hate compared plays where here
Speaker 1: on the outside outside and Michael Gallup and Ceedee Lamb
Speaker 1: can both go inside and out. So he's he becomes
Speaker 1: your X in my opinion. Um yeah, he's a prototype.
Speaker 1: Um no, I was gonna. I was laughing because I
Speaker 1: hate comparing draft prospects to all pros and on he's
Speaker 1: not as good as Mike Evans. But he's that type
Speaker 1: of receiver, that that type. I'm not saying he's Mike Evans.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be asking you ask for a lot of
Speaker 1: comps to Yeah, that's fine. Um, I will say that's
Speaker 1: that is the number one name that like, let's you know,
Speaker 1: he's supposed to be gone by pick twelve or so
Speaker 1: if he's hanging around it like fifteen sixteen for some reason,
Speaker 1: that's what I got my you know what you talk
Speaker 1: about comps and my guys here in the Draft show
Speaker 1: probably heard me say this. When I was watching Drake
Speaker 1: London in those games at USC, I thought I was
Speaker 1: watching a bigger version of Adam Feeland and Adam Fealand
Speaker 1: six two two one Drake Lynd six four two nineteen.
Speaker 1: But when you start to talk about catch radius over
Speaker 1: the middle, doesn't matter where you are on the field,
Speaker 1: he's gonna catch the ball, break a tack will get
Speaker 1: up the field that you know, Adam Feeland to meet
Speaker 1: catches every single ball they throw in his directions. And
Speaker 1: Drake London, to me, was that kind of guy. It
Speaker 1: doesn't matter where it's thrown, he's gonna come down with
Speaker 1: And I kind of think the same thing with Adam
Speaker 1: Feeland when I watched him play for the Vikings. You know,
Speaker 1: go ahead. I was just gonna say, you're saying Adam Feeland,
Speaker 1: You're saying Mike Evans, how don't you love how that happens?
Speaker 1: Him across the hall are saying Jordy Nelson. They think
Speaker 1: he's Jordy Nelson two point zero, and I mean the
Speaker 1: coach across the hall now coach Jordy Nelson to what
Speaker 1: he ended up becoming. They think Drake London's that guy.
Speaker 1: I think Burkes is more of Mike Evans to me.
Speaker 1: When you watch the vertical player, when you have enough separation,
Speaker 1: like it's it's not one of those things, you're like,
Speaker 1: the guy's running away, but then when you watch the tape,
Speaker 1: he never gets he never gets tackled. You know, he's
Speaker 1: he runs four or five, five or whatever, but then
Speaker 1: he's running into the end zone not getting tackled. I
Speaker 1: kind of see the same thing with Mike Evans. Vertical player,
Speaker 1: down the field, catch the football and then finish. Let's
Speaker 1: talk about what's happening right now. There's six minutes left
Speaker 1: on the clock as Jackson mill is gonna get all
Speaker 1: their shine. Of course, the Jaguars, they're still figuring out
Speaker 1: who they're gonna pick. Okay, I hope to hell not
Speaker 1: for their sake. So who will it be? Who should
Speaker 1: it be? Bobby? It'll be Trayvon Walker, I think, and
Speaker 1: I mean I at this stage, it's kind of you know,
Speaker 1: just with this draft class being what it is, I
Speaker 1: feel like, just roll the dice and if you want
Speaker 1: somebod who's solid, it should be Aiden Hutchinson. I think
Speaker 1: that's the safest guy to me. But are you guys
Speaker 1: willing to take seventy cents sixty cents on the dollar
Speaker 1: to move out of this I don't think that. I
Speaker 1: don't think that that that that general man, I don't
Speaker 1: think that that team wants they're bad. You're picking one
Speaker 1: back back. You need to get better. There's there's too
Speaker 1: many guys in that room that like Walker. You know,
Speaker 1: Brinson Buckner's the defensive line coach. I'm hearing he really
Speaker 1: loves Walker and all that. Me personally, I think Doug
Speaker 1: Peterson's right. If you take a Quan move the tackle
Speaker 1: at a North Carolina State, you're helping your quarterback. That's
Speaker 1: that's your future. That you do not want your quarterback
Speaker 1: to struggle like he did last year. If everybody there's
Speaker 1: going to keep their job, they want want to figure
Speaker 1: out ways to help him along. I would do that.
Speaker 1: Sean asked the question, who should it be? It should
Speaker 1: be Ikey Aquanu out of NCY State. That's who I
Speaker 1: would do it. That's protect Trevor Lawrence. Find a way
Speaker 1: to move him into his next step, because that's how
Speaker 1: you get better as a franchise, is him taking the
Speaker 1: step to be an NFL caliber or an exponential caliber quarterback. However,
Speaker 1: who it will be, It's gonna be one of these addreshers.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be Aidan Hutchetson, Cabin Thibodeau, Trayvon Walker, Bob
Speaker 1: sat Walker makes sense. Let me ask you this scout, guys,
Speaker 1: pick is in not announced yet, Pick is in. I'm
Speaker 1: so The debate for months now is like Hutchinson is solid,
Speaker 1: high floor, low ceiling. Walker has this crazy high upside,
Speaker 1: but maybe he'll never meet it. But everything I know
Speaker 1: about Walkers that he's also this tenacious run defender. Doesn't
Speaker 1: that give him a high floor as well? Like not
Speaker 1: saying that this is what you want, but if if
Speaker 1: Walker is a four to six sacks, but does all
Speaker 1: the dirty work really well? Like? Is that? I mean
Speaker 1: it would be disappointing, but also not the end of
Speaker 1: the war world? Right, No? That is that sexy enough
Speaker 1: for number one? But that's this isn't where picking number
Speaker 1: one is sexy. Yeah, it just isn't. And so I
Speaker 1: I think if I was picking between those two edges,
Speaker 1: I'm gambling on the upside of Walker knowing that he
Speaker 1: can do other stuff for me. All right, So you
Speaker 1: guys think it's gonna be Walker? Yeah, Yeah, that's who
Speaker 1: I think. Or are you gonna say Bobby No, I
Speaker 1: was just gonna call Dave, Dave Balky stop all right,
Speaker 1: let's see what happens. So, just so you know, the
Speaker 1: draft order is going to go with Jacksonville number one,
Speaker 1: then the Lions at two, the Texans at three, the
Speaker 1: Jets at four, and the New York Football Giants will
Speaker 1: pick at five and seven, with Carolina Sandwich right in
Speaker 1: between at number six. Are we expecting a ton of trades?
Speaker 1: On average? It's about six trades per year in the
Speaker 1: first round. That's the average. I thought that was high.
Speaker 1: I thought it was high. The really high. The overunder
Speaker 1: was set in Vegas at three and a half tonight
Speaker 1: for Round one. Everybody wants out. Nobody wants to go
Speaker 1: up as the problem or not enough guys want to
Speaker 1: go up. There's there's a whole lot worth going up for.
Speaker 1: And if it is it's taken in the top ten,
Speaker 1: you don't really know how it's going to shape out.
Speaker 1: There's so much uncertainty. If you're gonna go up. It
Speaker 1: goes back to what we were talking about earlier. You
Speaker 1: have a player in mind. This is a buyer's market. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the draft normally you can you know, average deals elsewhere
Speaker 1: to get out and like, well they're giving us this,
Speaker 1: They're going us this. Here we go. Let's go to
Speaker 1: the podium with Roger Goodell and the number one pick
Speaker 1: with the draft going down. With the first pick in
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty two NFL Draft, the Jacksonville Jaguars select
Speaker 1: Trayvon Walker, Georgia. What a rise linebacker? Huh Yeah, that's interesting.
Speaker 1: What a rise when you look at the different mock drafts.
Speaker 1: We'll come back and analyze it. We'll put the Lions
Speaker 1: on the clock. We are just getting started. Thrilled that
Speaker 1: you're joining us. We're here all night long on one
Speaker 1: oh five three the Fan and Dallas Cowboys Radio Network.
Speaker 1: All right, we are here on Dallas Cowboys dot com. Brian,
Speaker 1: was this a was this a surprising late rise for
Speaker 1: this guy based upon Hutchinson and Hutchinson was the locked
Speaker 1: in favor for the last three months funny years almost. Yeah.
Speaker 1: When we started this process in January, Thibodeau was like
Speaker 1: the first overall player. Hutchinson was getting some love. I
Speaker 1: think if you watch some of the late tape, especially
Speaker 1: the playoff game, you know against Georgia and stuff, there
Speaker 1: was you know, it was kind of evident that maybe
Speaker 1: this guy is kind of who he is ability wise.
Speaker 1: I think with Walker it was a you know, everybody
Speaker 1: will say, oh well, the scouts were the scouts were
Speaker 1: are on him the whole time. The media scouts were late,
Speaker 1: but yeah, there was I mean, there is a he
Speaker 1: is a very good football player at six five at
Speaker 1: two hundred and seventy two pounds. I think you know,
Speaker 1: we had with talking with Dane Burglar a lot. Dane
Speaker 1: was on him very very early, and I bet you
Speaker 1: Dane had talked to some of those scouts about him.
Speaker 1: But you can gonna watch him play edge and you
Speaker 1: can watch him play some defensive tackle and I think
Speaker 1: there's some you know, I think there's something about him though,
Speaker 1: the bend and things like that that he's probably gonna
Speaker 1: have to work on a little bit. But this is
Speaker 1: a guy that kind of Dave was talking about, play
Speaker 1: the run, play the past per Well, yeah, he can
Speaker 1: do a lot of stuff for you besides get after
Speaker 1: the quarterback. But that's that's the thing is you take
Speaker 1: him number one because so he can do that. So
Speaker 1: that's what we're gonna have to watch just to see
Speaker 1: how well he develops that for my month, Like, with
Speaker 1: all due respect to him, this makes me super interested
Speaker 1: in what's about to happen in Detroit because just listening
Speaker 1: to just trying to pay attention to the entire league,
Speaker 1: you know, you keep an eye on all these teams,
Speaker 1: and the word coming out of Detroit is that their
Speaker 1: GM loves cave On Thibadeau. But Aidan Hutchinson is a
Speaker 1: Michigan guy. From Campbell guy. He's from Detroit. He eats glass.
Speaker 1: He's very Dan Campbell type of player. Like I wonder
Speaker 1: they might just be having a wrestling match in their
Speaker 1: war room right now to see who he's got, and
Speaker 1: you've got a couple of those old school type of
Speaker 1: guys Dan Campbell, then you know Spielman there as well.
Speaker 1: I mean, kind of a couple beat a couple of
Speaker 1: meat heads if you really want to be honest about it,
Speaker 1: you know, and they're and they're gonna want a guy
Speaker 1: that is you know, when you talk about Timbo and
Speaker 1: Bobby brought up some points. You know, if all of
Speaker 1: this so, if Tibodeau was one of these guys that
Speaker 1: you find out he was trying to beg out of
Speaker 1: some stuff, didn't want to be a part. How much
Speaker 1: this guy really loved football, you think Dan Campbell and
Speaker 1: Spielman are going to be on board with that guy
Speaker 1: that this this Dave's right, this is a very very
Speaker 1: interesting pick for the Lions going forward. Well, when you
Speaker 1: have Treyvon Walker, he now joins Trevor Lawrence. These have
Speaker 1: been the last number one picks. Just think of like
Speaker 1: the hype factor and again hype a lot of times
Speaker 1: it's overrated. But Trevor Lawrence, Joe Burrow, Kyler, Murray Baker,
Speaker 1: Miles Garrett, Jared Goff, Jamis Clowney, Eric Fisher, and uh
Speaker 1: did I say Clowney, Hu Miles, Garrett, Jamis Clowney, Andrew Luck,
Speaker 1: Cam Newton. He now joins those names which you go
Speaker 1: read that list, Eric Fisher, the tackle that wound up
Speaker 1: in Kansas City, Like this is the least sexy draft
Speaker 1: in terms of star power since twenty thirs absolutely. With
Speaker 1: the second pick in the twenty two NFL Draft, the
Speaker 1: Detroit Lions select Aiden Hutchinson. Here we go Desvan Michigan.
Speaker 1: The Beadheads won, Dant meadeads on the mead Heads one.
Speaker 1: Who does this guy remind you of? The war is
Speaker 1: over Lebowski? Who is the comparisons? I mean, you could
Speaker 1: start to talk about the guys, I think the boss
Speaker 1: had better bend. I think the bosses were quicker. When
Speaker 1: you start to talk about the Watts, I think they're
Speaker 1: more explosive. So I cannot think that he's below that
Speaker 1: group of guys. All Right, we're getting ready to come
Speaker 1: back with one oh five three of the fan will
Speaker 1: reset the first two picks of the draft. The Detroit
Speaker 1: Lions just selected Aiden Hutchinson, who had been locked in
Speaker 1: as the number one pick for the past few months
Speaker 1: until Trayvon Walker took over that spot. He is selected
Speaker 1: by Jacksonville at one, Aidan Hutchinson at two, Sean Shreife,
Speaker 1: Bobby Bell. Our Cowboys insider Brian brought us David Helmont
Speaker 1: and Kyle Yelman's from Dallas Cowboys dot Com. Could the
Speaker 1: Lions be celebrating like they got gifted the best player
Speaker 1: in the draft. Could they be feeling that way, Dave Hellman?
Speaker 1: And who does this guy remind you of? I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: they have to be celebrated, because again, were we talked
Speaker 1: about it, like this is a Dan Campbell guy, like
Speaker 1: this fits the ethos of what he's trying to build.
Speaker 1: And on top of that, and I mean it doesn't
Speaker 1: matter in terms of building a football team, but from
Speaker 1: a narrative perspective, you think a guy from Michigan's national
Speaker 1: title team that are national playoff team, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, who grew up in Detroit, Like you think
Speaker 1: that's gonna help him sell jerseys and tickets. I have
Speaker 1: a feeling at Will. So yeah, I'm sure they are pumped. Now.
Speaker 1: When we were on the internet side of things, Brian
Speaker 1: kind of outlined who he reminded or who he was
Speaker 1: reminded of when watching Aidan Hutchinson could you go through
Speaker 1: that because I had to follow up to what you
Speaker 1: said earlier. I want to well, I was trying to
Speaker 1: compare it. When you look at the brothers like the
Speaker 1: Bosa brothers, I thought there was more explosiveness, more quickness.
Speaker 1: You look at the Watt brothers, I thought there was
Speaker 1: that quick first step and all that. I think this
Speaker 1: guy is in that category. But below those guys, I
Speaker 1: don't know if this guy has that first step. But
Speaker 1: what he has is those guys, is how relentless that
Speaker 1: he's able to play. You know, those are the kind
Speaker 1: you know we always about guys like the and I
Speaker 1: hate when you say, oh, well it's Ryan Carrigan or
Speaker 1: someone try, how hard guys stuff like that. But this guy, though,
Speaker 1: he doesn't stop. And they always say this guy the motor,
Speaker 1: the motor, the motor. This guy doesn't. But there's games
Speaker 1: so you can watch him play where guys blocked him.
Speaker 1: I mean you you can watch Ohio State, you can
Speaker 1: watch Georgia where these guys kind of blocked this guy
Speaker 1: a little bit. I just want to I go out
Speaker 1: of Jobo might have been the better rusher at times
Speaker 1: a little bit at Michigan. If you be honest with him.
Speaker 1: I go out of my way to defend Ryan Carrigan
Speaker 1: whenever I can, because, yeah, he's no, he's a hell
Speaker 1: of a plan. I think he gets credit for how
Speaker 1: career he had hundred career sex. Yeah, and I compared
Speaker 1: him to Joey Bosa just because of the way that
Speaker 1: he plays. They have a very similar stylistic approach in
Speaker 1: terms of rushing the passer and getting off the edge,
Speaker 1: and they they have some of the same tools. But
Speaker 1: I agree with you, it's a poor man's Joey Bosa
Speaker 1: kind of a step down. Still going to be an
Speaker 1: impact guy, don't get me wrong, and he has a
Speaker 1: ceiling as high as anybody in the draft class. But
Speaker 1: I think Aidan Hutchinson and a microcosm is just as
Speaker 1: representative of this entire draft class as anybody else is
Speaker 1: going to be picked tonight because he's a good player.
Speaker 1: He has solid upside, but in terms of the players
Speaker 1: that have been taken in the last couple of drafts,
Speaker 1: he's just not to that point, not to that level.
Speaker 1: At the moment when he's picked into the NFL, what
Speaker 1: are we looking at with the Houston Texans on the clock.
Speaker 1: This could be a. This could be a corner, don't
Speaker 1: you think, Bombay. There's so much buzz around Stingley. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is going to be yeah. Yeah. You go back
Speaker 1: to what we said at the top of the show
Speaker 1: about like diya overthink it. If they draft Derek Stingley,
Speaker 1: it would be such poetic justice because for the overthinkers
Speaker 1: we were, we were penciling this guy into the top
Speaker 1: five two years ago and then came up with two
Speaker 1: dozen reasons why that didn't make sense. And so if
Speaker 1: if injury history for Stingleys injuries like football, questions about buying,
Speaker 1: questions like is he like the dog Alpha that's going
Speaker 1: to lead your tape island? Is his film better than
Speaker 1: Sauce Gardner? I put his twenty nineteen film up against
Speaker 1: anything you throw out there. Honestly, Um, not the last
Speaker 1: the last two seasons, no, no, but there's there is
Speaker 1: good tape even you got you y'all pointed that out
Speaker 1: to me, Like I was down on Stingley because I'm
Speaker 1: a jaded LSU fan who had to watch him struggle
Speaker 1: for two years. But he played well before he got hurt,
Speaker 1: and he did anyone he did, he absolutely did, And
Speaker 1: I think, to me, that the more you really dug
Speaker 1: in and and and Bobby, wasn't you that I was
Speaker 1: talking to about Houston about someone was telling me about
Speaker 1: their their pro their pro personnel director or their assistant
Speaker 1: pro personnel director lives in Louisiana. Was not me? Okay,
Speaker 1: I taught this is what this is what happens in
Speaker 1: my life. Start blending phone calls exactly. Okay, Houston, Houston
Speaker 1: has Houston has their pro their assistant pro personal director
Speaker 1: lives in Louisiana. So he knows really what's going on. Now.
Speaker 1: All you have to do is talk to the previous staff.
Speaker 1: You talk to football operations. You talk to these people.
Speaker 1: They will tell you about this guy. They will tell
Speaker 1: you about what he needs. They will tell you he's
Speaker 1: not a bad kid. They will tell you that he
Speaker 1: loves football. He's had some he's had injuries. Here we
Speaker 1: go with Roger Goodell. We're kind of moving along nice
Speaker 1: and brisk here. Good for them, they're not overthinking in
Speaker 1: these conversation. Texans on the clock. With the third pick
Speaker 1: in the twenty twenty two NFL Draft, the Houston Texans
Speaker 1: like Derek Stingley, junior defensive back Lsu Okay, guys three
Speaker 1: for three. Wow, Yeah, I'm doing really good right now.
Speaker 1: Don't smirk at me, David. It's not like you have
Speaker 1: Twitter opener or anything. I didn't see it until I
Speaker 1: say I didn't see it. I had fail here has
Speaker 1: done a much better job, right. I can't remember who
Speaker 1: leaks the picks, but I blocked that person a long
Speaker 1: time ago. I hated that individual, but I hate when
Speaker 1: they ruined the drama. And I got a message here
Speaker 1: that they told Jacksonville be close to the vest and
Speaker 1: try to go ahead and take up your time. So
Speaker 1: we want the intrigue. That's what we like, all right, Bobby,
Speaker 1: who goes four or five? Six? Do I need to
Speaker 1: do this? Yeah? Yes, yes, Sauce Sauce. Sauce's next. I'll say,
Speaker 1: Sauce Gardner here four to the Jets, good pick, and
Speaker 1: then I'll say five is gonna be ikey okay, Wow,
Speaker 1: this would be really impressed, Sauce. Ikey okay, ikey to
Speaker 1: the giants of I don't think I disagree though, and
Speaker 1: I'm I mean, I'm not looking at anything. Six six.
Speaker 1: Everybody kept saying three is where it gets interesting. I
Speaker 1: think you were starting to hear enough buzz about Stingley
Speaker 1: to Houston that I started pinpointing. Six is where it
Speaker 1: gets interesting for me. I don't know what Caroline is
Speaker 1: gonna do. I don't know if they're gonna trade out.
Speaker 1: I don't know if they're gonna reach for a quarterback.
Speaker 1: I don't know if they'll say, well, we gotta go Bpa.
Speaker 1: That's gonna be the interesting. Pick six is where confused.
Speaker 1: All right, let's let's focus on four then with the
Speaker 1: Jets on the clock. Uh, Look, no team has been
Speaker 1: more desperate to get a receiver this offseason. We know
Speaker 1: that they made a humongous offered at Tyree Hill. There
Speaker 1: are Deebo Samuel rumors that are out there. They clearly
Speaker 1: feel a little bit burned and have some regret that
Speaker 1: they didn't give Sam Darnel guys to go to throw too,
Speaker 1: and they don't want to make the same mistake with Wilson.
Speaker 1: So we're still looking at defense versus offense. I still
Speaker 1: think they need offensive tackle help. There's not I don't
Speaker 1: think there's a receiver worth taking that. It's it's easier
Speaker 1: to do that when you have two top ten picks, though,
Speaker 1: when you're picking at ten and you can go all right,
Speaker 1: maybe one receiver's off by the time we pick at ten. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you still think Sauce over an offensive line in here?
Speaker 1: How much do they believe in Beckton? That's what it
Speaker 1: comes out. YEA. I might call the Jets immediately go, hey,
Speaker 1: what do you want for Beckton? Yeah? Absolutely, that'd be fun.
Speaker 1: That's a real conversation. It's it's a very similar idea
Speaker 1: to Jacksonville is like, well, you invested this huge pick
Speaker 1: and this kid didn't have a wonderful rookie season, Like,
Speaker 1: don't you want to help him as much as you can?
Speaker 1: But I mean, Robert Sale is a defensive guy, Like,
Speaker 1: I completely understand if if Gardner's the pick. I'll tell
Speaker 1: you what the thing is. Let's be you're you're talking
Speaker 1: about the Jets right now, there's panic going on in
Speaker 1: the in the Giants war room because they might be
Speaker 1: losing their Their plan was they were going to get
Speaker 1: one of these corners. So all of a sudden, you're
Speaker 1: taking you're talking about taking Sauce Gardner off the board
Speaker 1: for them. Now it turns into okay, does this where
Speaker 1: we see Tibodeau, This where we see one of those
Speaker 1: offensive tackles. Maybe Cowboys two point zero from last year. Yeah, one,
Speaker 1: and Sir Tam went off. I don't know what happens
Speaker 1: at six. When I was running through the mock earlier
Speaker 1: today before I drove over here, I was looking at
Speaker 1: it and with me assuming Stingley and Sauce went back
Speaker 1: to back, I had Ikey here and then I had
Speaker 1: Thibodeau at seven. But like I mean, I texted you guys.
Speaker 1: Right when I walked in here, I was getting buzz
Speaker 1: from people that they're going nine. Look more around nine. Tibodau,
Speaker 1: that's for that's a Seattle. So I wonder if Tibodau.
Speaker 1: I don't know who the Giants will go get at
Speaker 1: that point, because I would think Brian'll have the corner.
Speaker 1: Brian always says this about Cincinnati, like, oh, they'll take
Speaker 1: it like Seattle's in that category. Seattle, they'll stop the
Speaker 1: slide on a guy like yeah, my guy, John Snyder's
Speaker 1: had some bad drafts, you know, Johnson. There's some pressure
Speaker 1: going on up there now. They're starting to question what
Speaker 1: John's players are. But if you know, you look at
Speaker 1: the metrics, they say they've had great drafts. But it
Speaker 1: was great drafts when they were when they picked Russell
Speaker 1: Wilson and that whole crew that they've all got rid of.
Speaker 1: Now get lucky on detail met cat Tyler Lockett pops
Speaker 1: up too. So that's why I you know, I kind
Speaker 1: of feel like though that the Jets here, like I
Speaker 1: said it should, the picks should be an offensive lineman here.
Speaker 1: I mean again, you're investing in your you know, the
Speaker 1: general manager up there. I mean for going four years now.
Speaker 1: There's gonna be a point in time whe they say enough,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, we've got to figure out what's
Speaker 1: going on here. Yeah, and we chiefs can't letting you
Speaker 1: keep picking players and none of this, no no success.
Speaker 1: So I think there's a little pressure up there to
Speaker 1: you pick this quarterback last year, find a way to
Speaker 1: protect him, get him weapons, whatever you have to do,
Speaker 1: make that happen. He's Brian brought us. We've got David Hellman,
Speaker 1: Kyle Gellman's Bobby belt. I'm Sean treef here on one
Speaker 1: oh five three of the Fan and Dallas Cowboys dot
Speaker 1: Com Trayvon Walker to Jacksonville at one we go with
Speaker 1: another defensive ent, Aiden Hutchinson to the Lions at two
Speaker 1: Stingley Junior to the Texans the LSU corner at three,
Speaker 1: Jets are on the clock, followed by two of the
Speaker 1: next three picks coming from New York with the Giants
Speaker 1: at five and seven, and will Carolina take a quarterback
Speaker 1: at number six? So here we go. This feels like
Speaker 1: it's moving moving kind of fast right now. Right now,
Speaker 1: I'm rooting for brought Us has put it in my head.
Speaker 1: I'm rooting for Sauce Gardner to go to the Jets.
Speaker 1: I just want, Yeah, if you're a Cowboy fan and
Speaker 1: you want to see the division, they're still gonna get
Speaker 1: two really good players. In my books, see that's you.
Speaker 1: You can't you might get my number one one player.
Speaker 1: You can't completely screw the Giants because they'll either get
Speaker 1: a corner or a tackle and they'll be thrilled about that.
Speaker 1: I'd rather deal with having to go around Ikey Aquanu
Speaker 1: than having to throw against a man. Does everyone think
Speaker 1: that Ikey is the best offensive lineman? And I have
Speaker 1: cross I have crosses cross from Mississippi State. Okay, um,
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't have strong opinions about these things.
Speaker 1: I like, I like Aquan No, I just these guys
Speaker 1: make boards. I just learn about the players and let
Speaker 1: the teams decide. But I would take a Quantu over
Speaker 1: Neil Okay, Yeahquan is my number one two Bobby, I
Speaker 1: would take a QUANTU and crossover Neil Aquan and crossover Neil. See,
Speaker 1: there's things when you got to learn about these Alabama players.
Speaker 1: A lot of wear and tear on their bodies. They play.
Speaker 1: They play in a lot of these games, a lot
Speaker 1: of physical, tough games in the SEC. They're in playoff games.
Speaker 1: It's almost like Lebron James in a second career with
Speaker 1: playoff games that you put three or four years on
Speaker 1: his career from playing extra games. And they could say
Speaker 1: a lot about these linebackers and stuff like that that
Speaker 1: you know with Alabama, these defensive lineman's a secondary and stuff,
Speaker 1: hard practices with Nick Sabe and a lot of wear
Speaker 1: and tear on those guys. And that's what they're talking
Speaker 1: about with Neil mammoth guy, maybe some wear and tear
Speaker 1: on that body. How did these two corners stack up
Speaker 1: against you know, last year was a disappointing season for
Speaker 1: the shirt thing with Akuda in Detroit. Yeah, how how
Speaker 1: do those guys all line up. That's I'm sorry, but no,
Speaker 1: that's a good question. I think I would have see
Speaker 1: Stanley so much upside, whereas Sauce, I think is something
Speaker 1: you can feel really good about. Um, I'd have Sauce
Speaker 1: and Stanley maybe a little behind Horn for me. Here's
Speaker 1: the pick from the New York Jets. We're the worth
Speaker 1: pick in the twenty twenty two NFL draft. The New
Speaker 1: York Jets select Sauce. Skirt down for you, it is open.
Speaker 1: It's back up now because I gave you the next
Speaker 1: like two or three picks that have thought. Bobby Swag
Speaker 1: coming up in. He's coming in hot his first draft.
Speaker 1: He's four four. I gotta say, I'm so glad we
Speaker 1: can Dame Burglar just showed up. I'm so glad we
Speaker 1: can talk about him right now, because don't say that
Speaker 1: because we got two you're out of here. Sauce. Sauce
Speaker 1: was training in Frisco, UH since January, and he is
Speaker 1: just that the nickname fits. They talked about over at
Speaker 1: Exos UH, Brent Callaway and some of the people that
Speaker 1: he just he upped the level of competition for everybody training.
Speaker 1: Is he is he running up here? Is he late Uh,
Speaker 1: there's a running up here, so there he is. Uh,
Speaker 1: Sauce Gardener, I put the room was far away from room.
Speaker 1: They have been all the way back, and it's a
Speaker 1: long water. Was it Philadelphia when they used to make
Speaker 1: these guys they had to walk down a staircase to
Speaker 1: get to the state. I thought that was the stupidest thing.
Speaker 1: Let's get to the New York Giant ants on the clock.
Speaker 1: Let's get it rolling with the NFC east on one
Speaker 1: oh five through the fan of Dallas Cowboys Radio Network,
Speaker 1: all right, and our Dallas Cowboys dot Com crew sticking
Speaker 1: with us off the entire night, no commercial breaks. As
Speaker 1: Sauce Gardner goes to the New York Jets at number four.
Speaker 1: So we went back to back d ns, back to
Speaker 1: back corners. Hey, positional value. People absolutely loving that. Get
Speaker 1: to the pass rusher. When was the cornerback market going
Speaker 1: to catch up with the wide receiver market in this offseason?
Speaker 1: And now corners Dave Hellman are being targeted? Yeah, unintended point.
Speaker 1: You probably don't want to target these guys too much. Although,
Speaker 1: to go back to what we were saying, though, like
Speaker 1: I also think Gardner, I think he's in more of
Speaker 1: a position of success, like the Jets have more to
Speaker 1: work with on their defense right now than the Texans right, Um? Probably, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean they got um like, who's the Who's who's
Speaker 1: the guy that how fast? You can name them? No
Speaker 1: good point? Who's who's the guy that got hurt? Last year?
Speaker 1: They have a pass rusher that got hurt, like he
Speaker 1: didn't get to play. Gosh, what is his name? Wonderful radio?
Speaker 1: Just fine? Well, this is why it's on the dot
Speaker 1: com side, David that guy's name. Um, I'm blanking on
Speaker 1: it too. I just know how bad the Texans are.
Speaker 1: That's why the Jets are good. I'm saying the Texans
Speaker 1: are terrible. Every guy could name more than five members
Speaker 1: one of one of my one of my favorites, not
Speaker 1: maybe not even one of the day. One of my
Speaker 1: favorite interactions with Sauce, Carl Lawson. They got Carl Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: they have c J. Mosley h yes, so so teams.
Speaker 1: NFL teams send out to just about everybody in college.
Speaker 1: They'll send out these questionnaires like just like general like
Speaker 1: you know, almost like many wonder licks like teams send
Speaker 1: him out to everybody. When when I first met Sauce,
Speaker 1: and he found out, like I cover around here, and
Speaker 1: he was like, can you do me a favor? I
Speaker 1: was like sure, and he's like, next time you're you're
Speaker 1: around the people, the cowboys, can you just let him
Speaker 1: know I didn't like the questions. He's like, he's like,
Speaker 1: I had to give one answer. He's like a lot
Speaker 1: of these, Like I'd get a question for the answers
Speaker 1: would fit me. He's like, just tell them that if
Speaker 1: they didn't like any of my answers, it's because I
Speaker 1: didn't know what to pick. That yowl that's in two
Speaker 1: seconds of meeting him. He's like, wait, so you're rather
Speaker 1: like him. That's his personality. But I mean he's great,
Speaker 1: he's he's that would drop Thibadeau down to fifteen though,
Speaker 1: that that type of swag, that type of yeah, and
Speaker 1: and and to be clear, it wasn't an issue with
Speaker 1: the question himselves. He didn't like the unlimited I can't
Speaker 1: it's I want to combine two answers. That's my answer.
Speaker 1: Look at that necklace. He's got a couple of them off. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's got a sauce bottle. I think, yeah, maybe he's
Speaker 1: got a little bit Tabasco sponsorship. Here. So there you
Speaker 1: go with the highest drafted corner list up there with
Speaker 1: Derek Stanley, Jeff Acuta, Sean Springs, Bruce Pickens nineteen ninety one,
Speaker 1: and a mad Gardener. So there we go with all
Speaker 1: those guys going as the third overall pick, and then
Speaker 1: Sauce going with the fourth. So the New York Giants
Speaker 1: are now on the clock at five and seven, first
Speaker 1: of four hundred first round picks in the NFC. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised. Again, and talking to their guys last night,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised. I think they like Charles Cross
Speaker 1: Mississippi State a lot. I think they do wow, And
Speaker 1: I could be. I could be really just they were
Speaker 1: they were hunting these tackles. They were talking about these
Speaker 1: tackles a quantum. I've got Cross higher on my board.
Speaker 1: They might not, but I just because they were asking me,
Speaker 1: and I was doing stuff with their website before and
Speaker 1: they're asking me about Cross a lot of that stuff,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, yeah, it's my one of my favorite players,
Speaker 1: you know, my favorite players in the in the draft
Speaker 1: and stuff, So this could be the tackle. And then
Speaker 1: they turn around and they and this is where you
Speaker 1: could you could very well get your thibadeau to go
Speaker 1: with that pick at seven. Guess is a court Johnson, Florida.
Speaker 1: And if they don't trade out of I think a
Speaker 1: quantu goes here. And if Carolina doesn't trade out, I
Speaker 1: think they go cross. I just what if what if
Speaker 1: they flip flopped it? Though? Because you're looking at five
Speaker 1: and seven here and all three tackles are on the board.
Speaker 1: What if they went with an edge rusher first and
Speaker 1: then you wait for one of those guys to fall.
Speaker 1: You could actually do that. Maybe you're only two picks away.
Speaker 1: But but this is this is the thing that I
Speaker 1: think people forget about a lot is like that makes
Speaker 1: perfect sense outside, don't worry about it. Well, inside those
Speaker 1: war rooms, people are like, no, cross as a beast
Speaker 1: and that guy sucks. We're not They're not the same,
Speaker 1: right yea, Like they might have vastly different opinions point
Speaker 1: or maybe they are clustered on the board. We just
Speaker 1: we don't know that. But a lot of times, like
Speaker 1: you'll have these conversations where it's like, well you had
Speaker 1: you had four guys and they're like, no, we had
Speaker 1: one guy, Like we don't think that highly of the
Speaker 1: other three. All Right, Goodell's walking up to the podium
Speaker 1: with the New York Giants selection. For the New York
Speaker 1: Giants pick, I'm joined by Sam Prince along Giants fan
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Speaker 1: the New York Giants selection. On the clock. Sam is
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Speaker 1: see tonight, his wish to announce the Giants first pick
Speaker 1: comes true. We hope this wish will be a turning
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Speaker 1: sports broadcaster in the future. He brought us to take
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Speaker 1: Thank you, mister Goodell. With a fifth pick in the
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two NFL Draft, the New York Ball Giants,
Speaker 1: Black Cavon Tibodeau. There I go in this room. Cavon
Speaker 1: Thibodeau was the top player on three boards. Brian brought us,
Speaker 1: Dave Hellman and Kyle Yellman had to play him twice
Speaker 1: a year now, and you were saying, maybe they're not
Speaker 1: going to freak out with Sauce Gardner going to the
Speaker 1: New York Jets. Why do you love Thibodau so much. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what I just feel like though, when
Speaker 1: you watch this guy play, he puts so much pressure
Speaker 1: on those blockers, those tackles and stuff. You know. I
Speaker 1: mean to me, when you know he gets that corner,
Speaker 1: he's going to find a way to dip it and
Speaker 1: he's going to finish at the quarterback. He's an explosive player.
Speaker 1: He I think when you watch him run, I mean,
Speaker 1: he could cover a lot of ground. He's not one
Speaker 1: of those guys you see him get like pushed past
Speaker 1: the quarterback and all none. I mean, he's not going
Speaker 1: to be on the ground at all too. I mean,
Speaker 1: he is going to play on his feet. He's got
Speaker 1: the redirection skills. There's some snap, there's some violence when
Speaker 1: he hits his opponent. You see the heavy hands and
Speaker 1: you just see the blocker kind of stopping his tracks
Speaker 1: right there. But and he gets a lot of double
Speaker 1: teams in the pack twelve, and he's able to handle
Speaker 1: that at six four two fifty four. I love the
Speaker 1: way this guy rushes the passer. He's got the pass
Speaker 1: rush ability, he's got the size, the explosiveness to get
Speaker 1: off at the line of scrimmage. And we mentioned earlier
Speaker 1: with number one overall pick Trayvon Walker. In the way
Speaker 1: that he run or he defends the run, he's able
Speaker 1: to go sideline the sideline with a latter rollability. Thibadeau
Speaker 1: is a hunter on the run. And yes he's got
Speaker 1: the tackle for lost numbers, he's got the sack numbers.
Speaker 1: But he's not necessarily just a one trick pony. He's
Speaker 1: gonna do a lot of things for that Giant's defense
Speaker 1: to take them to another level to where they haven't
Speaker 1: been in a long time. And Kyle, your scenarios in
Speaker 1: play now too, like they I mean, they are gonna
Speaker 1: have pick again probably and one more pick and an
Speaker 1: offensive tackle will be there if they like a guy. Yep,
Speaker 1: all right, they're gonna have two offensive tackles there since
Speaker 1: they took the rush at the very at the very least. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is probably the most or second most intriguing pick
Speaker 1: in the top ten because this is where people think
Speaker 1: the quarterback could go. And if a quarterback doesn't go here,
Speaker 1: then we may fall all the way to twenty. The
Speaker 1: Carolina Panthers are on the clock. Are you sweating a
Speaker 1: little bit right now? I'm not he's not the one
Speaker 1: that You're not the one that's got the shot color.
Speaker 1: Those are Those are my pinisters and my co host
Speaker 1: on one oh five, three of the fans, j RJ
Speaker 1: is going through it right now. RJ's like, I need this,
Speaker 1: I need this is to take Kenny pick. This is
Speaker 1: make or break for him. RJ was being a little
Speaker 1: weird though, when I was in Studio three. I'll remember
Speaker 1: because like I enjoy a little pain. It's like, okay,
Speaker 1: shot cut is a Wednesday night for him. But uh,
Speaker 1: could they take an offensive tackle here? I would think
Speaker 1: if they stand in man, if they stand in offensive tackle,
Speaker 1: I would think, if you want to go a quarterback,
Speaker 1: just trade back of these spots. Let don't want to
Speaker 1: come up to get the tackle. Pick up some extra
Speaker 1: capital you need. Pick the next pick after this is
Speaker 1: one thirty. I'm gonna say they don't pick again until
Speaker 1: SA Day, and they need they need players. There's no
Speaker 1: way they should be making this pick with If Carolina
Speaker 1: would pick a quarterback at six, why aren't we talking
Speaker 1: more about the New York Giants taking a quarterback at five?
Speaker 1: They declined Daniel Jones fifth year option. Today, someone answered
Speaker 1: that because honestly, if you if you really want me
Speaker 1: to answer that, I think it's because Carolina is a
Speaker 1: freaking mess man. Yeah, Like there, Carolina's owner is like
Speaker 1: what people accuse Jerry Jones of being just in the
Speaker 1: sense of like being overly involved and not knowing what
Speaker 1: he wants. I mean, they traded for Darnold, they got
Speaker 1: sick of that real quick. They chased after Deshaun Watson
Speaker 1: for a year, didn't get him, Like they don't know
Speaker 1: what they're doing, or at least they sure as hell
Speaker 1: don't seem like that. I think there's a disconnect between
Speaker 1: the general manager and the head coach, and I think
Speaker 1: the general manager he's like, I'm I'm ready to move
Speaker 1: on from this guy, and he didn't hire the guy Nope,
Speaker 1: but he's going to let him do what he wants
Speaker 1: to do. So I'm seeing some of that Thibodeaus. Now
Speaker 1: you guys are talking about if you don't when you're
Speaker 1: asking the question of like why aren't the Giants talking
Speaker 1: about it, I think the difference is the Giants have picks.
Speaker 1: Like the Giants can get somebody in the second round.
Speaker 1: They can get it like Panthers right now, It's like,
Speaker 1: we get a quarterback, now we wait till the fourth round.
Speaker 1: I also think the Giants just put a new structure
Speaker 1: in place, right, Like they got a new GM and
Speaker 1: a new coach. Nobody is getting fired if they suck
Speaker 1: or if Daniel Jones is bad, they can worry about
Speaker 1: quarterback next year. Everybody's out on there. But if Carolina
Speaker 1: doesn't do something which leads to stupid decision. Who thinks
Speaker 1: the Panthers are going to draft a quarterback here? I
Speaker 1: think they trade out. I think they either trade out
Speaker 1: or draft a tackle. Honestly, I think they're going to
Speaker 1: pick a tackle. What self? Now, if they pick a quarterback,
Speaker 1: who is it? Kenney Pickett's pick it? So he's the
Speaker 1: closest they made the pick. He's the closest thing to
Speaker 1: a Day one Wow. So they didn't trade out, they
Speaker 1: did pick. Does Matt Rule? How much influence is Matt
Speaker 1: Rule have here? When everyone thinks he's got one foot
Speaker 1: out the door? Yee is he's saying, don't draft me?
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't want a rookie starter, kind of
Speaker 1: like Nage in Chicago, Like, hey, Dustin Fields, it's exciting,
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna get run out of here when he
Speaker 1: struggles his rookie year. Yeah, the whispers are that Scott Federer,
Speaker 1: the general manager there, is basically saying, hey, fine, take
Speaker 1: who you want, and if it doesn't work, then ownership
Speaker 1: is going to do. You know, they're gonna move on
Speaker 1: and then Scott can go hire the guy that he
Speaker 1: wants to hire, you know, and then you know, because
Speaker 1: that that guy has a lot of power in Carolina.
Speaker 1: I mean, you talk about personnel power and all that,
Speaker 1: So you know, maybe it's one of those things where
Speaker 1: you know, fine, you want to get a quarterback and
Speaker 1: he doesn't play in the first year and you don't develop,
Speaker 1: and then you're gonna get fired. So I me, personally,
Speaker 1: I would find a way to take it. If you
Speaker 1: don't have a the surest thing on this board right
Speaker 1: now is an offensive tackle, whether it's and you don't
Speaker 1: want if you're not picking for like one hundred more picks,
Speaker 1: you know, figure out who the safest player on this
Speaker 1: board is and work from there. Not only that, what's
Speaker 1: what's can he pick? It gonna even do without some help?
Speaker 1: I mean maybe you know, maybe Sam Arnold held there.
Speaker 1: Why d J. Moore receivers I was thinking more along
Speaker 1: the offensive. Their offensive line's not very good. I think
Speaker 1: I'd rather try to get better results from Sam Darnold
Speaker 1: with a better line than think Kenney Pickett's gonna be
Speaker 1: an improvement. Child Treeve, Kyle Yemen's Bobby, Bob Bryan brought
Speaker 1: us and Dave Hellman. The Carolina Panthers are on the clock.
Speaker 1: Is there anyone that loves Picket enough that you heard
Speaker 1: about to move up and have Carolina moved back? Does
Speaker 1: anyone think that Picket or Willis are worthy of the
Speaker 1: number six pick? I think I think it goes back
Speaker 1: to Bobby. I'm right there with you, is the fact
Speaker 1: that these teams don't know how things are going to
Speaker 1: pan out in front of them, and they would rather
Speaker 1: with these quarterbacks sitting there just stay put. I mean,
Speaker 1: you look at the quarterbacks in the back half of
Speaker 1: the first round, or the teams in the back half
Speaker 1: of the first round that neat quarterbacks. The Steelers are
Speaker 1: in that conversation, the Saints are in that conversation. They
Speaker 1: have the ability to go up if they really want to,
Speaker 1: but they don't need to go get Malik Willis or
Speaker 1: go get a Kinny Pickett. They can sit tight and
Speaker 1: let things all of them because outside of the Panthers,
Speaker 1: there's not going to be a quarterback selected in the
Speaker 1: top fifteen, or at least we don't anticipate it to be.
Speaker 1: I think I think the whole thing, and Bobby, you
Speaker 1: talk to more people around the league than I do,
Speaker 1: Like I'm way more Cowboys focused. But the whole trading
Speaker 1: up for a quarterback thing seems like manufactured to me.
Speaker 1: Like I don't think mac Jones twenty twenty one. I
Speaker 1: don't you kind of feel like teams you're feeling like
Speaker 1: they're getting burned by doing that. Now, I hope not,
Speaker 1: because the two that come to mind for me or Mahomes,
Speaker 1: And I mean Mahomes was a trade up which worked
Speaker 1: out sure amazing. I mean, if you're talking about going
Speaker 1: at the very top, yeah, no, he wasn't. The last
Speaker 1: coming way up would have been when Rams went up
Speaker 1: for golf and well the Packers, Packers went up for
Speaker 1: their guy. Well, I mean not the San Francisco went Yeah. No,
Speaker 1: I don't think teams think they're getting burned. I think
Speaker 1: you just you just gotta have a grade that makes
Speaker 1: it worth it. And I don't think I don't think
Speaker 1: a team in the league has a first round grade
Speaker 1: on a single one of these quarterbacks. I would agree
Speaker 1: with that. So that's that's what it comes down to.
Speaker 1: That are just not they're not good enough to be
Speaker 1: worth that. So my co host on the fan has
Speaker 1: he won't let this go. Brought us cover your ears
Speaker 1: in terms of talking about evaluating right fifty fifty first round.
Speaker 1: So if it's fifty fifty, he says that quarterbacks are
Speaker 1: so important. I'll get back to it. Here here comes
Speaker 1: the selection with Roger Goodell at the podium for Carolina.
Speaker 1: With the sixth pick in the twenty twenty two NFL Draft,
Speaker 1: the Carolina Panthers select kim Ya North Carolina State. Job fellas,
Speaker 1: it's like good for them, Like you've kind of been
Speaker 1: doing homework on this stuff born and Ray Charlotte, North Carolina.
Speaker 1: So I didn't even I mean, that makes sense. He's
Speaker 1: NC States. Stay see this to me, this is the
Speaker 1: sensible pick. You know, you're you're trying to stabilize your franchise.
Speaker 1: You know, go out offensive linemen tend in the first
Speaker 1: round tend to work out pretty well for you. You
Speaker 1: don't have a lot of picks to deal with. You know,
Speaker 1: give yourself a little momentum. You know, if you have
Speaker 1: to go back and rally, maybe you want to jump
Speaker 1: back in this draft. Maybe you want to give next
Speaker 1: year's picks or something like that to jump back in.
Speaker 1: But you have to you have to give this thing
Speaker 1: some stability. And you know, quarterback if he goes in
Speaker 1: there and flops around, everybody's gonna get fired. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: this guy is one of those things. I think you
Speaker 1: could agree on that he is one of the best.
Speaker 1: He's one of the best five players in this draft. Yep.
Speaker 1: I think New York and Carolina got a phoebe feeling
Speaker 1: like they made out like bandits right now. In my opinion,
Speaker 1: especially in New York, knowing that they're about they'll probably
Speaker 1: take their offensive tackle here. If I had to get
Speaker 1: going back to what Brian said earlier, they felt good
Speaker 1: about Charles Cross right there. They didn't get him off
Speaker 1: the board, and even if they did, they would have
Speaker 1: had it. He could want it right there as well.
Speaker 1: Now you got to worry about the Giants taking Cross here.
Speaker 1: Tell us a little bit more about a Quanu because
Speaker 1: you loved him, Kyle, I do. I love Aquanu and
Speaker 1: you talk about the biggest bully. I said that early
Speaker 1: on biggest bully in college football this past year, and
Speaker 1: brought Us laid it out perfectly a minute ago. He
Speaker 1: earned that spot on reputation as a pure finisher. He's
Speaker 1: on the edge. He improved throughout his career and he's
Speaker 1: got such a powerful lower half. He's got those clamps
Speaker 1: for hands, he's got long arms, he's almost impossible to
Speaker 1: get away from. And you also look at guys like
Speaker 1: brought Us was talking about with these tackles now falling
Speaker 1: to five and then forward, it is a safe pick
Speaker 1: in the top ten to go and get a guy
Speaker 1: like Eca mcquanu, and man, he is built for the future.
Speaker 1: He's going to be a guy I think that Carolina
Speaker 1: relies on for a long time. Let me finish up,
Speaker 1: think about Christian McCaffrey too. They still have Christian McCaffrey
Speaker 1: to be a guy that they can rely on as well.
Speaker 1: Equanu helps you in that regard. Let me finish up
Speaker 1: my co host radio point on the Cowboys flagship because
Speaker 1: I think it's an interesting thought. By the way, RJ.
Speaker 1: Choppy get ready to get the hell shocked at you
Speaker 1: and we were all rooty for that next week, so
Speaker 1: right now, not looking good for RJ with the shot
Speaker 1: caller bet His point is, if we really, if it's
Speaker 1: all fifty fifty, you're not going anywhere without the quarterback.
Speaker 1: So take the quarterback, right, Josh Allen. We thought Josh Hylan,
Speaker 1: many people thought he was a reach. Trubisky Mahomes right,
Speaker 1: fifty fifty, so why not the value of the quarterback?
Speaker 1: Dave makes more sense for Carolina to maybe hit on
Speaker 1: that because we really don't know. I totally see the logic,
Speaker 1: and you're I mean, you're right now he's not worried
Speaker 1: about job status because Brian's right, yeah, everyone gets fired.
Speaker 1: But if you're the owner, would you would you consider
Speaker 1: that if it's fifty fifty, let's keep taking them because
Speaker 1: we go nowhere with that one. I see the logic.
Speaker 1: I mean, Dane Brugler, it's one of my favorite lines.
Speaker 1: When you talk about draft prep is like draft quarterback,
Speaker 1: it's a lottery ticket, like and if you hit it yere,
Speaker 1: then you're in the NFL's elite for like eight to
Speaker 1: fifteen years. I get it. I just I don't think
Speaker 1: there's a prod like you still got to do the
Speaker 1: work and make the gray and trust it right, Like,
Speaker 1: there isn't a guy in this class that even is
Speaker 1: on the level of I mean Mahomes and Alan, Like
Speaker 1: the talent was evident, you know it. I mean it
Speaker 1: was there, they had the tools. Yeah, I mean with
Speaker 1: a like Kenny Pickett, We're sitting here saying like, oh,
Speaker 1: he probably needs to go to a warm weather city
Speaker 1: so he can hold the ball, and like his decision
Speaker 1: making isn't great. Malik Willis, like, does he understand pro
Speaker 1: offense is well enough where he'll be able to play quickly? Ritter?
Speaker 1: I think, like, I think Ritter could probably start for
Speaker 1: the right team, but is there enough around him in
Speaker 1: Carolina to where he'd be good. I don't think RJ
Speaker 1: is crazy for making that point. I just I think it.
Speaker 1: I think it says a lot about this quarterback class
Speaker 1: that I just don't think there's a grade high enough
Speaker 1: to be worth that type of risk. It's also that
Speaker 1: thought process that we had early on about overthinking things.
Speaker 1: When we were first doing this homework, we were first
Speaker 1: getting to the point of looking at this quarterback class.
Speaker 1: We were looking at these guys and saying, Hey, where
Speaker 1: we don't have any of these guys in the top round. Really,
Speaker 1: they were not the same level of talent from a
Speaker 1: quarterback standpoint as we've seen in the past. Yet they're
Speaker 1: still being talked about his potential top ten picks at
Speaker 1: that position. I brought us set us up for what
Speaker 1: the Giants could be thinking here with their second pick
Speaker 1: in the first Yeah, this is to me, this is
Speaker 1: either going to be it's it's either gonna be one
Speaker 1: of these offensive tackles. They haven't been able to fix
Speaker 1: the offense and that's the that's been the problem. And
Speaker 1: they've thrown money. They've thrown money at their offense. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, and you know, the flowers and all that.
Speaker 1: They've had some problems. Here we go, let's see if
Speaker 1: the Giants go up front again, this time on the
Speaker 1: offensive side of the ball. In the twenty twenty two
Speaker 1: NFL Draft, the New York Giants selected Evan Neil Alabama.
Speaker 1: Nice job, Ryan. They were looking, you know, like I said,
Speaker 1: they were looking offensive tackle, and I and I and
Speaker 1: I was visited with them about Neil. They're looking for
Speaker 1: a real right tackle. That that's that was something that
Speaker 1: was pretty you know, pretty clear to them that they
Speaker 1: you know, they really really do like you know what
Speaker 1: they've been able to, you know, with with the other
Speaker 1: the tackle, the left tackle that they had their Andrew
Speaker 1: Thomas Thomas. Yeah, so they were looking more for a
Speaker 1: guy on the on the right side, and that's where
Speaker 1: Neil kind of fits in, I believe. So the New
Speaker 1: York Giants making some noise in the NFC East, how
Speaker 1: worried should we be about their two picks? And the
Speaker 1: Atlanta Falcons are on the clock. This is the twenty
Speaker 1: twenty two NFL Draft on one oh five three the
Speaker 1: Fan and the Dallas Cowboys Radio Network. But we didn't
Speaker 1: actually go anywhere hitting on Dallas Cowboys dot Com. This
Speaker 1: this here Atlanta coming up. This is going to be
Speaker 1: the first pressure point for the guy they like, Drake London.
Speaker 1: This is gonna be the first spot where you could
Speaker 1: see n This is gonna be Lena. There's been a
Speaker 1: lot of push for Jamison Williams here. Garrett Wilson maybe
Speaker 1: two was another one that maybe could be. He's high
Speaker 1: up a lot of people's draft boards. Yeah, we'll think
Speaker 1: about the coach and where he came from. That's a
Speaker 1: Tennessee right there. Guy that the head coach there. Uh,
Speaker 1: that is now what the Falcons was a Tennessee ran
Speaker 1: the ball, physical, big you know, they played with big receivers.
Speaker 1: You know, that's where I would kind of keep an
Speaker 1: eye on whoever. You feel like the bigger receiver is,
Speaker 1: like they're the more physical guy. Let's let's get to
Speaker 1: that in a second. But my phone is these meatballs
Speaker 1: do this every year. These giants fans that I went
Speaker 1: to school with in DC. Uh, they're thrilled. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, let's talk about Evan Neil ready made starter,
Speaker 1: Bryan's I mean, right tackle Andrew Thomas hasn't lived up
Speaker 1: to the hype of being a top five pick, but
Speaker 1: he's playing a lot better in what was he a
Speaker 1: twenty twenty Yeah, he played a lot better in his
Speaker 1: second season than his first. Yes he did. Um So,
Speaker 1: I mean, so you got a hell of a pair
Speaker 1: of tackles there. If you're trying to figure out how
Speaker 1: good Daniel Joe he played left tackle for Alabama. I mean, see,
Speaker 1: he's six seventies, three hundred and thirty seven pounds and
Speaker 1: he's massive, and he will surprise you how well he
Speaker 1: moves for his size. I mean it is impressive and
Speaker 1: the body control and balance us watching the A and
Speaker 1: M game. I watched A and M Old Miss, and
Speaker 1: you know, he was off balance a little bit against
Speaker 1: the Old Miss. But I'll tell you what, I'd see
Speaker 1: a guy for that big being light on his feet.
Speaker 1: He's on the two point stance all the time. So
Speaker 1: he's kind of an upright player in the way that
Speaker 1: he does. But man, he is a long armed guy
Speaker 1: and you never see rushers get on him. He's able
Speaker 1: to extend and keep those guys and his mass is
Speaker 1: what bullies the defenders like him. He leans on you
Speaker 1: the whole game. He's going to be a problem for you.
Speaker 1: He said in Indianapolis that he models his game after
Speaker 1: Tyrn Smith and Larry Allen. I mean that was that
Speaker 1: was the thing. He named two cowboys right off the
Speaker 1: bat about who he bottels his game after. And you
Speaker 1: can see that he's got some Eric Williams to him.
Speaker 1: His way he bullies people, Yeah, the old Cowboys. Dan
Speaker 1: Jimmy Jones is his uncle. Yeah, and so he's got
Speaker 1: Cowboys connections there. I'm not I'm not loving this new
Speaker 1: general manager so far. Yeah, I don't like it. He's
Speaker 1: made two good picks, bring my boy Dave, get him
Speaker 1: and back. He would have extended, he would have picked
Speaker 1: up the option on Daniel Jones today, say Quon would
Speaker 1: have gotten extended Loftis or they're already trying to get
Speaker 1: Cadarius Tonus, Cadarius Tony's butt out of town. And now
Speaker 1: they're sitting here and you guys are loving what they
Speaker 1: did at picks five and seven, not liking that. Do
Speaker 1: you guys have any background on their new GM that
Speaker 1: came over from from Buffalo? Shush, how do you say?
Speaker 1: Shown Shane Shane Shane, Yeah, Shane Shane, I don't know
Speaker 1: the guy. I mean a lot of these guys I know,
Speaker 1: but him I do not know. I know he's his
Speaker 1: background though again Buffalo, you know he's he did a
Speaker 1: really you know, Buffalo has done a nice job of
Speaker 1: with their team. How they You know, that's a physical defense,
Speaker 1: it's a physical offense. It's built for the play and
Speaker 1: the bad weather and stuff like that. So if you
Speaker 1: come from places like that, he's going into that environment
Speaker 1: where you're gonna have to play a lot of bad
Speaker 1: weather games and stuff like that. I'm not going to
Speaker 1: pretend to know a ton about him. But if he's
Speaker 1: coming from Buffalo, Brandon Bean helped build a Super Bowl
Speaker 1: team in Carolina and then went up the road to
Speaker 1: Buffalo and turned them into one of the two or
Speaker 1: three best rosters in the league. So he clearly learned
Speaker 1: some things from somebody who knew what he was doing.
Speaker 1: All Right, the Atlanta Falcons are on the clock. Here
Speaker 1: are the next picks, Atlanta, and then you're gonna have Seattle.
Speaker 1: Then you're gonna have the Jets again, and then the
Speaker 1: Commanders picking again in the NFC East. Kyle, Yeah, And
Speaker 1: with these teams coming up here in the next couple
Speaker 1: of selections, I want to go back to what Bobby
Speaker 1: was saying, Drake London could go here in the next
Speaker 1: four or five selections, because that's where the wide receiver
Speaker 1: run could begin. But we've talked about it through the
Speaker 1: entire lead up into this hour, or I guess the
Speaker 1: first hour. We talked about names that the Cowboys could
Speaker 1: trade up for. Charles Cross, Trevor Pinning, Drake London. All
Speaker 1: three of those were on the board at the moment.
Speaker 1: They're still there. So this is getting into that point
Speaker 1: where you can maybe have that conversation. Lets go to
Speaker 1: the podium with eight bick. In the twenty twenty two
Speaker 1: NFL Draft, the Atlanta Balcon select Drake London wide receiver. Okay, guys,
Speaker 1: throw that pen Brian, No, why the Cowboys are throwing
Speaker 1: that pa? Yeah, the Cowboys that this was a minefield
Speaker 1: here because I had heard Atlanta, the Jets, and of
Speaker 1: the Commanders all had Drake London as their number one receiver. Wow. Wow,
Speaker 1: I'd rather have that dream dashed at eight than have twelve. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you're like, You're like, could it be? Maybe? It's
Speaker 1: kind of CD two point. So that's one of the
Speaker 1: I think the three higher trade up options that are
Speaker 1: now off the board. You got Cross and Penning potentially
Speaker 1: still there. I think Garrett Wilson's in that conversation too, though,
Speaker 1: So keep that in mind, all right, Bobby Bell, Cowboys insider.
Speaker 1: Brian brought us David Hellman and Kyle Yeomans from Cowboys
Speaker 1: dot Com. We are at Ford Center at the Star.
Speaker 1: I'm Sean treef and Bobby. You said, the Atlanta Falcons
Speaker 1: with this picket number eight could be an important moment
Speaker 1: in this draft. They'd take Drake London from USC. Why
Speaker 1: were you thinking that? I had heard that the Falcons
Speaker 1: had him as their top receiver, and I think, especially
Speaker 1: once Thibodeau went off the board, I thought Tibodeau was
Speaker 1: somebody who could have been in play for them at eight.
Speaker 1: But with Tibodeau off the board, it felt like this
Speaker 1: was a landmine for the Cowboys. And I think this
Speaker 1: is the first Cowboys. Yeah, they loved this guy. This
Speaker 1: is the first, I think, real frustrating pick to go
Speaker 1: off the board for them. Was he Is he the
Speaker 1: consensus number one receiver though in the draft class or
Speaker 1: on the Cowboys board draft class? No, I don't think
Speaker 1: there's a consensus, a whole lot of consensus about anything.
Speaker 1: A lot of teams had him number one, though, I
Speaker 1: think I think I had heard Atlanta, the Jets, and
Speaker 1: the Commanders all had him as one little little Calvin
Speaker 1: Ridley replacement. Here, different type of it's a different type
Speaker 1: of player. But I mean, they need, they need somebody
Speaker 1: to throw. They need yeah, they need a weapon. They
Speaker 1: got Kyle Pitts and then a whole bunch of receivers
Speaker 1: you've never heard of. Oh, I just thought about that
Speaker 1: pairing Pitts in London. That'll be fun. Was that quarterback
Speaker 1: Marcus Mariota for the time. If Marcus, that just took
Speaker 1: the fun right out of it. For Hey, he's not awful,
Speaker 1: I know he's not. I mean, we'll see didn't haven't.
Speaker 1: Didn't live up to his draft stock for now. But
Speaker 1: see that's what I brought up about Arthur Smith the
Speaker 1: coach there. You know big. I mean he came from Tennessee,
Speaker 1: big receivers over there. You know, physicality maybe not as
Speaker 1: important as how fast you're a matter of fact, nobody
Speaker 1: has a time on Drake London never ran a forty, No,
Speaker 1: never did. I mean, so you know nowadays people are
Speaker 1: like going, oh, well, back in the never ran line. No.
Speaker 1: Back in the day when I mean like you would
Speaker 1: you would have like my boss would have sent me
Speaker 1: to wherever he is out in California, and they're like,
Speaker 1: you get a forty on that kid. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: there was a time where you would have not drafted.
Speaker 1: And but today we're in an age we take five
Speaker 1: nine quarterbacks first overall and we don't have time on
Speaker 1: wide receiver. I think there's a there's an interesting conversation
Speaker 1: to be had there. I think Drake Lendon's great. I
Speaker 1: would have been happy had the Cowboys found a way
Speaker 1: to draft him. But there was always part of me
Speaker 1: that wondered if he was the like it hate that phrase.
Speaker 1: Is he a Dak friendly receiver? I think he is,
Speaker 1: because it depends on how you define it. But I
Speaker 1: think that's a guy who, no matter whether he's got
Speaker 1: the separation or not, he's coming down. But what does
Speaker 1: that mean? Okay? But the reason I say it is
Speaker 1: because Dak values separation. He doesn't he doesn't throw the
Speaker 1: covered guy. He doesn't like to take risks, he doesn't
Speaker 1: want to put the ball in harm way, and he
Speaker 1: wants you to be open. AF twenty seventeen he was.
Speaker 1: He was the He had more of his completions and
Speaker 1: tight window throws than anybody else in the NFL. So,
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's it's true, but I think
Speaker 1: it's a little bit of a myth just to how
Speaker 1: it's like, unless it's not wide open, not throwing, they
Speaker 1: don't think that way across the hall. He can make
Speaker 1: those throws. I don't want to like be taken out
Speaker 1: of context like I know he can. I just wonder
Speaker 1: if a guy that can create more separation would be better.
Speaker 1: That's That's why I said, Chris, Chris Ollavey. Those two
Speaker 1: Ohio State receivers are both that way, they create separation.
Speaker 1: I think in this I would love that would be wonderful.
Speaker 1: I think they think Wilson's better. Let's reset the picks.
Speaker 1: Trayvon Walker goes one to Jacksonville, Aiden Hutchison two to
Speaker 1: the Lions. Stingley, the corner from LSU, goes three to
Speaker 1: the Texans. Then Sauce Gardner to the New York Jets
Speaker 1: at four. Thibadeau, who our guys had as the best
Speaker 1: player in the draft, goes to the Giants at five.
Speaker 1: Hit Kwanyu, the tackle from NC State goes to Carolina
Speaker 1: at six. No quarterback Evan Neil to the Giants at seven.
Speaker 1: The tackle from Alabama, Drake London just went off the
Speaker 1: board to the Atlanta Falcons at number eight. And now
Speaker 1: your boy brought us John Schneider, and now he's gonna
Speaker 1: mess this up. Who is Like, here's somebody in the
Speaker 1: third round we haven't even talked about. Here, I'll tell
Speaker 1: you what Seahawks are jealous of the Giants draft because
Speaker 1: those are the year they those are the two names
Speaker 1: most heard. They liked we're Neil and Thibadeau. I wonder
Speaker 1: if this is another landline for a potential trade up.
Speaker 1: I think this is a potential for Cross. I wonder
Speaker 1: it need offensive. There's been some I need a quarterback,
Speaker 1: there's been I've not heard this, but there's a lot
Speaker 1: of choppy off the hook, like why we don't want
Speaker 1: quarterbacks to go there? Don't want it. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of people mocking Jermaine Johnson here. I don't I haven't
Speaker 1: heard that specifically, but I've just seen enough people throw
Speaker 1: Jermain Johnson the addresser from the Snyder pick. That would
Speaker 1: be the John Snyder pick. Would john loves defensive ends?
Speaker 1: You know, he really does really really hard. If the
Speaker 1: Seahawks drafted a franchise tackle for Drew Locke after years
Speaker 1: of not helping Russell Wilson, yeah, I gotta say. If
Speaker 1: you get through nine, though, and there's not a tackle
Speaker 1: here and the pick is in Jets and Commanders, they
Speaker 1: might start a run on receivers. Here. You're starting to
Speaker 1: getting a tall range and you've got two. If Cross
Speaker 1: clears there, crossing Penny could start getting in trade up range.
Speaker 1: Charles Cross hanging around to like sixteen. The Seahawks question
Speaker 1: has been it's learning at me all offseason. No one's
Speaker 1: talking about it. What happened to Seattle last year? They
Speaker 1: have they have they have weapons, they have a Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame quarterback, right, but like the offense disappeared at times.
Speaker 1: Are we all totally sold that Russell makes a humongous
Speaker 1: difference In Denver? You got Metcalfe, uh, you got Lockett,
Speaker 1: and Seattle finally had had a really bad year. What happened?
Speaker 1: I don't cover them, so I don't want to speak
Speaker 1: too boldly and too confidently, But I think Russell Wilson
Speaker 1: knew that he was playing in the best division in football,
Speaker 1: tried to come back from a thumb injury too quickly,
Speaker 1: wasn't healthy, wasn't the same player, and didn't have an
Speaker 1: offensive line, didn't play and also all of that problems,
Speaker 1: all that problem was still there, and I think it
Speaker 1: just it hurt him. Um. I think Russell Wilson will
Speaker 1: be just fine in Denver. You want to talk about
Speaker 1: having everything that they all they needed was a quarterback
Speaker 1: brought us what is the what's the real power structure there?
Speaker 1: Because I know we talked about John Snyder He's had
Speaker 1: a heck of a reputation as a GM. But people
Speaker 1: say this is this is Pete Carroll's show. No, John
Speaker 1: and Pete do work together. The one thing John was
Speaker 1: always would tell me was that he's like, listen, Pete
Speaker 1: convinced me that he can coach the player that might
Speaker 1: be off center. That maybe they had they had a
Speaker 1: run there where they were taking those defensive linemen. Then
Speaker 1: they all were Frank Clark, Yeah, they were taking questionable
Speaker 1: character guys and John's like, I don't want to take
Speaker 1: these guys, and Pete's like, no, no, no, we could
Speaker 1: take and we could win with these guys, and they did.
Speaker 1: The problem is that when you look at the Seahawks,
Speaker 1: now you know, who the hell's Stone Forsyth, Who the
Speaker 1: hell's Damian Lewis, Who the hell's Austin blythe you know, Dan,
Speaker 1: Dave Jackson and Lewis. But you but know what I'm saying, Yes,
Speaker 1: I know those are the guys. I know. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, That's what that would be. Jake current
Speaker 1: Tackle was the pick who Yeah, I mean, who who is?
Speaker 1: Who are these guys? John? John is always He's always
Speaker 1: taking guys he's like traded back and taking uh if
Speaker 1: fetty and people like that that You're like why, But
Speaker 1: it's so weird because people just you know, still do
Speaker 1: make fun of the Cowboys for being a little bit
Speaker 1: old school. Pete Carroll is like looked upon as the analyst.
Speaker 1: I hope I look when I'm seventy, Well he looks good,
Speaker 1: h and he chooses gum fast. But he's like, run
Speaker 1: the football and defense and special teams and you think
Speaker 1: they have an offensive line to run it. Here's Seattle
Speaker 1: selection at nine nine pick and the twenty twenty NFL Draft,
Speaker 1: the Seattle Seahawk selection Charles Cross tackle Mississippi State. Throw it?
Speaker 1: Why are we throwing the pick again? First pen? That's
Speaker 1: that's that's like a guy you wanted that. That was
Speaker 1: my best tackle? You all? I all I want to
Speaker 1: say now is for John. He must have stepped out
Speaker 1: of the room. You know. No, you need to text
Speaker 1: him right now, and so I apologize for what I
Speaker 1: just said over the last time. Now he will talk
Speaker 1: to me anymore because he knows I get on him
Speaker 1: all the time. You guys called this though, Yeah, but
Speaker 1: but see that's I just named I just named all
Speaker 1: those who's who? Yeah, you know, and and there somewhere
Speaker 1: I get Russell Wilson sitting in his twenty five million
Speaker 1: dollar home there in Colorado and throwing too. He's going,
Speaker 1: what would who they take? You know that kind of thing.
Speaker 1: So like Kevin Hart like help me, why why wouldn't
Speaker 1: you do that for me? Right? And they used the
Speaker 1: pick that they traded for him for Yeah, boy, this
Speaker 1: is this is poetic. This is picks eight and nine
Speaker 1: back to back years, just stabbing the cowboys in the heart.
Speaker 1: They lost horn that was yet get closer to get
Speaker 1: stabbed because it's because I think we didn't think they
Speaker 1: were gonna slide down to twenty four obviously, but had
Speaker 1: they gotten to twelve, they I think they were picking
Speaker 1: up I'm with Bobby on this one. You were looking
Speaker 1: at twelve as a potential trade up target that vikings
Speaker 1: for sure sitting there. If they if these two guys
Speaker 1: would have been there at twelve a conversation as being
Speaker 1: had I still don't. It's still not the same as
Speaker 1: the two picks before. You already two guys that you're
Speaker 1: already there. Now Here's here's the interesting thing we talked
Speaker 1: all about, like how unpredictable this is and how wild
Speaker 1: this is going to be. I think we felt pretty
Speaker 1: on with like all, Like if you would have told
Speaker 1: me these were the top nine players, I think we
Speaker 1: would have kind of guessed pretty close to this. Nothing
Speaker 1: truly surprising has happened yet another. I mean, there was
Speaker 1: way too much smoke about Stingley all this week for
Speaker 1: me to be surprised to hear his name. Carolina Picking
Speaker 1: surprised me. The Jets are on the clock at ten,
Speaker 1: then the commanders at eleven. Michael Irvin just texted me saying, wow,
Speaker 1: humble brag Mutch no QB taken in the top ten,
Speaker 1: I said, Mike, though, we're not out of the top
Speaker 1: ten yet, but maybe he's got the NFL network board
Speaker 1: like running early right where those picks go playmakers. I'm
Speaker 1: hoping that. I'm hoping for that selfishly for my morning
Speaker 1: show that I think we're safe here at ten with
Speaker 1: the Jets. What are they looking at here? After they
Speaker 1: went with Corner with the first selection? Um, this this
Speaker 1: was the Drake London they wanted. They wanted London Wilson.
Speaker 1: Is this Garrett Wilson. I mean, I don't know what
Speaker 1: they think of Olave or something. The first wide receivers
Speaker 1: were supposed to come off the board at ten. That
Speaker 1: I mean, every every draft, everybody had talked about when's
Speaker 1: the first wide receiver gonna come. It was gonna be ten,
Speaker 1: but it just happened to go to Atlanta. You know,
Speaker 1: a couple picks earlier there. But are you guys talking
Speaker 1: a little lineman for the Jets as well? I don't
Speaker 1: know that. I mean, if they like Penning enough, sure, yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't know that they like Penning like that. You
Speaker 1: also look at Kyle Hamilton being on the board here.
Speaker 1: I don't think they would do that, but at least
Speaker 1: in terms of top players available, he's up there at
Speaker 1: the top of the list. I don't know if they
Speaker 1: would go to Penning either. I'm right there with I
Speaker 1: think I think Jets go Garrett Wilson here. If I think,
Speaker 1: I think the Commanders then go either top receiver. They're
Speaker 1: taking Kyle. They love Kyle Hamilton and Washing, yeah they do.
Speaker 1: Who are the best linemen on the board, because as
Speaker 1: you mentioned Helman earlier, that's what the top edge not
Speaker 1: not not for Brian. Brian's got Karloft is here. I
Speaker 1: was reading branching into Jordan Davis territory as well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that seems high. But everybody like Jeremiah from for Michael
Speaker 1: lombartin Michael Lombardi said that Jordan Davis should have been
Speaker 1: the number one pick your boy brought us former NFL
Speaker 1: Mike loves those defensive linemen like that though, he really does.
Speaker 1: But that's a highweight speed thing. That's that. That's that
Speaker 1: Al Davis training that you get where oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: the guys three hundred and forty pounds and he ran
Speaker 1: four seven eight. You know, one of those things if
Speaker 1: it was going to be a defensive lineman. Um, Jordan
Speaker 1: Davis and Jermaine Johnson make the most sense at this point.
Speaker 1: All right, so the commanders will be after this out eleven.
Speaker 1: What did you say you were feeling for Loston Wilson
Speaker 1: here and then Kyle Hamilton. Kyle Hamilton is a commander's
Speaker 1: guy I had I had heard Washington was really in
Speaker 1: on Kyle Hamilton and Drake London. Yeah. I also Ron
Speaker 1: Rivera loves the Ohio State kids too, That's what I
Speaker 1: was saying. Olaby was a guy that people were talking
Speaker 1: about potentially there as well, and I'm talking receiver a
Speaker 1: lot they have. I know Rivera likes the Ohio State kids,
Speaker 1: but I've heard Kyle Hamilton a lot Le Hamilton. Yeah, everybody,
Speaker 1: that's that's absolutely right. Well they just moved on from
Speaker 1: landon Collins too, they did, ye all right. So we
Speaker 1: have the newer Jets on the clock than the Commanders,
Speaker 1: than the Minnesota Vikings, the Texans back there at number thirteen,
Speaker 1: the Baltimore Ravens at fourteen, and then the Philadelphia Eagles
Speaker 1: at fifteen. Sean Sharif, Kyle Yeoman's, David Hellman, Brian brought
Speaker 1: us and Bobby belt with not a ton of surprises.
Speaker 1: So far, the guys have been crushing the picks in
Speaker 1: terms of the predictions. So let's see what happens here, Bobby,
Speaker 1: you're gonna go on the record with this. Garrett Wilson,
Speaker 1: Garrett Wilson, Roger Goodell prove Bobby right est pick in
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty two NFL Drags. The New York Jets
Speaker 1: select Garrett Wilson wide receiver, Ohio saying, look at that suit.
Speaker 1: There we go, little little gray, little white, little split
Speaker 1: suit there. So Garrett Wilson the receiver goes to the
Speaker 1: New York Jets and try to get their young quarterbacks
Speaker 1: some help. Are they gonna try to get Carson once?
Speaker 1: Some help? The commanders are on the clock. Next this
Speaker 1: is the twenty twenty two NFL Draft on one oh
Speaker 1: five three the Fan and the Dallas Cowboys Radio Network.
Speaker 1: I'll go on the record right now and say it'll
Speaker 1: be Hamilton or Hamilton or at Hamilton, or whoever they
Speaker 1: think is the top rest for Jamison Arl I'm Hamilton.
Speaker 1: I'm going Hamilton, and I gotta tell y'all now. Tomorrow
Speaker 1: we're changing up the Seaton arrangement. I went Dave to
Speaker 1: sit over here so that he can see I'm calling
Speaker 1: picks out and not looking at Twitter because he does
Speaker 1: not believe me. I don't believe you at all, because
Speaker 1: I have Twitter. You've been look. Sean's been sitting here
Speaker 1: right next to me. I have the NFL. Look, man,
Speaker 1: I've been staring at soda for a caffeine face. I'm
Speaker 1: looking at you. Sorry, And I used to be accused
Speaker 1: of all this. We can't like Dave. You can get
Speaker 1: service if you want something, let me know. Bobby. I
Speaker 1: will say it's a normal thing, because even if you
Speaker 1: get to get anything right, fans will be like, oh,
Speaker 1: you're just cheating your your telegraph. After the picks, it's
Speaker 1: like the fans. This dude knows I talk to people.
Speaker 1: He should know better. I haven't done enough trolling of helmet.
Speaker 1: We're ten picks in and I've made like one helmet
Speaker 1: who leaks? Who has been the inside that leaks it?
Speaker 1: Nowadays the schefter leak it? Who leaks? Oh, I don't
Speaker 1: see I don't think. I think they've cracked down on
Speaker 1: that pretty good. Yeah, I mean that is it? Is
Speaker 1: it an open secret? Like do people know? I mean
Speaker 1: the actual league is like eight minutes ahead of TV.
Speaker 1: People know that. That was awesome one year I saw that.
Speaker 1: And so there's enough people who talk and like who
Speaker 1: tweet stuff out and like, I mean there's people in
Speaker 1: every building that have access to it. They've done they've
Speaker 1: cracked down on it a lot harder than they used to.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I got out of control for a little bit.
Speaker 1: What's actually happening is it gets it gets crazier on
Speaker 1: like day three, like that they're on day three. The
Speaker 1: actual picks are half wild West, fifteen minutes before the
Speaker 1: TV catches up like it's insane. The only pick I've
Speaker 1: seen Schefter or Ian today get out in front of
Speaker 1: where they were calling it before it was announced, was
Speaker 1: a minute before they said it was Trayvon Walker. That's
Speaker 1: the one I've seen today. Who's the NBA guy Shams? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he he had it too, which I always love when
Speaker 1: there's crossover, like the NBA guys are tipping NFL picks,
Speaker 1: but they can't get in trouble. Was he was doing?
Speaker 1: We got our first trade? I don't know, Brian, you
Speaker 1: call it? Y'all have been talking Ryan, the Saints are
Speaker 1: so and so? Who wait? Who do they like? Tell us, Brian,
Speaker 1: I think it's a quarterback. I think it's for the
Speaker 1: quarter I think it is I think it's Malik Willis.
Speaker 1: I think it's Willis. Yeah, yeah, I think they're I
Speaker 1: think they're going for Willis. How funny would it be?
Speaker 1: QB one pick outside the top ten? They didn't like
Speaker 1: Kyle Hamilton enough? So happy? I'm so? Or do they
Speaker 1: think he'll fall to fifteen or excuse me, sixteen? If
Speaker 1: they got sixteen, we don't know what the competence. Okay,
Speaker 1: maybe this is maybe it's not Hamiling could they go
Speaker 1: for the wide receiver here to go with the wide
Speaker 1: receiver and then wait for and then wait for h
Speaker 1: at sixteen, wait for Willis were in weren't they also
Speaker 1: in tackle talk though? Is this Penning? Yeah, the tackles
Speaker 1: are all the tackles were all off the Pennings. They
Speaker 1: thought that, Yeah, if I had to, if I had
Speaker 1: to bet, if I had to bet the three positions, quarterback, tackle,
Speaker 1: wide receiver. But I didn't feel like the Saints were
Speaker 1: done man, because we were talking about that. You just
Speaker 1: don't do that. You don't. You just don't like, oh,
Speaker 1: we're gonna trade up till sixteen just because we like
Speaker 1: that spot, Like nobody does that. Now that we're looking
Speaker 1: through it, though, I'm gonna go back to what brought
Speaker 1: us was saying a second Jamison, it's pick sixteen, a
Speaker 1: third and a fourth for eleven, so they still have
Speaker 1: nineteen if I mean, look at the teams in between them,
Speaker 1: the Vikings, the Texans, Ravens, Eagles. None of those teams
Speaker 1: were going to take a quarterback regardless however, somebody could
Speaker 1: trade it up. So there's I mean, there's president that
Speaker 1: a quarterback could be the selection here. But it's not
Speaker 1: a foregone conclusion. Yeah, I mean I would do that trade. Wait,
Speaker 1: what was the compensation again? A third, a fourth and
Speaker 1: pick sixteen? Bro, I would do that for Jamison Williams
Speaker 1: in a beat. That's what I like. I'm saying going
Speaker 1: up was not gonna cost the same. I would do
Speaker 1: that in a hard beat. Sean Sharife, Bobby Belt, Brian
Speaker 1: brought us David Helmet and Kyle Yeoman's here with round
Speaker 1: number one and we have a trade. Boys, we have
Speaker 1: the New Orleans Saints on the clock. They have moved
Speaker 1: up to number eleven. What is this for? What are
Speaker 1: we thinking here? I mean anytime, the natural inclination when
Speaker 1: something like this happens is quarterback. But we all agree
Speaker 1: that maybe these quarterbacks aren't worth it. They to Ron
Speaker 1: Armstead's in Miami. Now they need to tackle. Maybe they're
Speaker 1: convinced maybe Penning is their last shot at getting a
Speaker 1: tall to can't afford the weight, and they've they keep
Speaker 1: their other first round pick, right, so like, yeah, it
Speaker 1: was a third and a fourth, they're not moving out
Speaker 1: of the round entirely. So you can get your tackle
Speaker 1: here and get a receiver. Like it's sixteen ninety eight
Speaker 1: and one twenty. Do we know who they like between
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks? They like willis More? Yeah, they will. Man,
Speaker 1: the Saints are so aggressive, Yeah, down the Chiefs. That
Speaker 1: was in the cards they were playing in this. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm convincing, but it's still an aggressive thing to do
Speaker 1: it right away a future one. That's that's the thing
Speaker 1: they call again nineteen or excuse me, ninety eight? What
Speaker 1: else was the last one before? I think jumping for
Speaker 1: quarterback though, maybe they're jumping a potential trade. Yeah, that's yeah,
Speaker 1: if the price is that low, maybe they know other
Speaker 1: people could becoming see and that is the thing. So
Speaker 1: I've heard Titans could go up over Packers to try
Speaker 1: and get Burkes, and so there's chatter that the Packers
Speaker 1: could try to just jump up further than that before
Speaker 1: Titans can even execute a trade. All right, So New
Speaker 1: Orleans is on the clock. Yeah, they get a loaded
Speaker 1: quarterback room just with bodies, depending on what you think
Speaker 1: about Jamis. They brought in Andy Dalton as well. They
Speaker 1: finally gave up on the pocket knife project with Taysom Hill,
Speaker 1: thank god, and now they can start over with Dennis
Speaker 1: Allen as a head coach. For Sean Payton. I was
Speaker 1: always thinking Sean Payton was like also in there, really
Speaker 1: really aggressive. But is it still Mickey Loomis there? Lois
Speaker 1: still but Jeff Ireland also too, helping out things. You know,
Speaker 1: they played really the whole season without Michael Thomas last year.
Speaker 1: That's they need a receiver too. But yeah, so if
Speaker 1: they love a receiver enough to make it, I mean
Speaker 1: you mentioned about Jamison Williams. I mean you mentioned that,
Speaker 1: you know, and to Chrystal Waby. I mean there's there's
Speaker 1: a couple of little options there. I think that you
Speaker 1: can you know, maybe the receiver. The tackle is another
Speaker 1: one too. They've got If you look at this, ram
Speaker 1: Check is the right tackle James Hurst playing left tackle
Speaker 1: for him right now. If it's not a quarterback, I
Speaker 1: would get my educated guests would be Trevor Penning. Who's
Speaker 1: the better prospect between Penning and your number one receiver left? Well,
Speaker 1: I've got two of them. I mean I've got I've
Speaker 1: got a Lobby and Williams, both in the first round
Speaker 1: that are still left on my board. So to me,
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be harder for them to find
Speaker 1: an offensive tackle. That's why I think this. I think
Speaker 1: that's why they're making this move. That's that's a scarcity
Speaker 1: of position like every I mean again, I think about
Speaker 1: what Will said to us at the combine Will McClay
Speaker 1: every day, where he's just like you can kind of
Speaker 1: count on five or six freaky receivers being in every draft.
Speaker 1: It's like, of course the ones at the top are better,
Speaker 1: but you can find those guys. How far down is
Speaker 1: the next tackle you have after penning? It's where the
Speaker 1: Bernard Ryman's Central Michigan talking, Yeah, it's okay. So if
Speaker 1: we clear penning here, I think this is where you
Speaker 1: might start seeing them work the phones. M I think
Speaker 1: you're going to get a receiver here. I think you're
Speaker 1: I think Brian spot On you mentioned I mentioned three.
Speaker 1: Roger Goodell has the announcement for the Saints, who have
Speaker 1: moved up with the Commanders. For all thirty two teams
Speaker 1: and their fans, We've got a similar time two weeks
Speaker 1: from tonight when we announced the twenty twenty two schedule
Speaker 1: on May twelfth. This year's schedule will have a new twist,
Speaker 1: as our Thursday night games will be carried by a
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Speaker 1: guy right here next to me. He's gonna be helping
Speaker 1: me make this announcement for the Prime Video which will
Speaker 1: be airing on Week two of the NFL season September fifteenth.
Speaker 1: Los Angeles running back Austin Ekeler and I guess you
Speaker 1: can tell probably it's no surprise the first game that
Speaker 1: we're gonna kick it off is gonna be on the
Speaker 1: Arrowhead well Thursday nights. But it says at the Chargers
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you what, Austin, If you you want
Speaker 1: my opinion about this game, they just announced a game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's the first Thursday night football game. Look, it doesn't
Speaker 1: get much better than this. It doesn't get much better
Speaker 1: than this Thursday football. You got two high power teams
Speaker 1: battling it out. It's gonna be halfba It's gonna be
Speaker 1: an amazing thing. Even if you don't rob with the
Speaker 1: with the Chargers achieved. I know you got me on
Speaker 1: your fantasy team, so there's no point. I'll watch it.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be awesome. Awareness I'll tell you what we're
Speaker 1: looking forward to it. This broad Week goes back to
Speaker 1: two years. You're not going to see every time these
Speaker 1: two teams get together. It's it's closing, it's fireworks, it's touchdowns,
Speaker 1: great deepens. So we will see you there September fifteenth,
Speaker 1: all right, So well, those guys announced something for a while.
Speaker 1: They let them go up there and do that whole
Speaker 1: promo without the selection. September fifteenth, when we're gonna get
Speaker 1: our next pick in Bobby, what's going down right now?
Speaker 1: It hasn't been announced yet. Rappaport has it. It's not
Speaker 1: up there yet though you I'm gonna say the trade,
Speaker 1: all right, yeah, the trade. The Lions are moving up
Speaker 1: to twelve. They've traded thirty two, thirty four and sixty
Speaker 1: six to the Vikings for twelve and forty six. All right,
Speaker 1: now we have to take for the Saints twenty two
Speaker 1: NFL drafting, the New Orleans Saints select Chris Olave, ride
Speaker 1: receiver Ohio State. Well, I did look at Twitter for
Speaker 1: that one. Yeah, that's fine. I'll be honest with you, man,
Speaker 1: that's fine. Ohio State receivers going back to back there.
Speaker 1: How about how I'll steal this line out of Ryan
Speaker 1: brought us his playbook. The Saints don't care. The Saints
Speaker 1: don't care. They're gonna go get their players. Yeah, trade
Speaker 1: away a future one for a defensive end. Sure, move
Speaker 1: up twice to get a wide receiver. Why not? They
Speaker 1: like to take a whole draft to go all the
Speaker 1: way up to get a running back like the Rams.
Speaker 1: But they're just like, I mean, screw the future. They
Speaker 1: still pick. The Rams don't pick. Yeah, the Rams don't pick.
Speaker 1: The Saints are like, why have three picks when we
Speaker 1: can make one? Are you surprised that they gave all
Speaker 1: that up for a Lave? I don't know that that's
Speaker 1: all that much. I agree. Well, there's maneuvering, right, Like
Speaker 1: the Eagles sent them some stuff back. Like, it's not
Speaker 1: like they get Comanders. I'm talking about the first first trade.
Speaker 1: They got stuff back. It's not it's not like a
Speaker 1: Ricky Williams situation where they were like take all our picks.
Speaker 1: So look, Michael Thomas, Olave Alvin Kamara. I like, I
Speaker 1: like the pairing. I just that's that's a lot to
Speaker 1: do for a wide receiver in my opinion, especially, I mean,
Speaker 1: I like Chris Lave a lot. I think he would
Speaker 1: have what type of player is fit. He's a technic.
Speaker 1: He's Terry Glenn with better hands. Wow, that's who he
Speaker 1: is and an Ohio State comp day. Yeah, well, when
Speaker 1: you look at the body type. To me, and I've
Speaker 1: seen Terry Glenn, We've all kind of seen Terry Glenn.
Speaker 1: Rookie year at New England, he had ninety receptions. I
Speaker 1: watched his kid play. He's slippery, he plays in tight
Speaker 1: spaces really well. He can catch the ball. He's really
Speaker 1: smart about not taking big hits too. But you watch
Speaker 1: him play attention to detail with him, ball goes to
Speaker 1: the sidelines, he catches it both feet down. He's not
Speaker 1: like a one foot down drag guy. He's a bring
Speaker 1: both feet He's a very conscious guy about the way
Speaker 1: he plays. I think, like I said, when I was
Speaker 1: watching him play that old school comp, I was kind
Speaker 1: of thinking Terry Glen with better hands, deep threat ability,
Speaker 1: one of the more electrocifying receivers in all of college football.
Speaker 1: He's so crisps, he's so smooth, clean route runner, and
Speaker 1: he's masterful in This is why I think the Cowboys
Speaker 1: had him as one of those top receivers on their board.
Speaker 1: He creates all sorts of separation and he does it
Speaker 1: at the lion of scrimmage, doesn't waste any time building
Speaker 1: some room between him and defender. And I'm happy for
Speaker 1: him that he went so highly because, like I think
Speaker 1: people just overlook him because like he's he's a slight guy,
Speaker 1: Like he's not trailing Burke's with this huge build or
Speaker 1: Drake London. Uh, he just he's kind of forgettable physically,
Speaker 1: so people kind of gloss over him in my opinion.
Speaker 1: But he's a hell of a football player. I feel
Speaker 1: like we've talked about poetic justice too throughout this show
Speaker 1: so far, and the fact that both yeah it is
Speaker 1: both of the Ohio State receivers going back to back,
Speaker 1: it just seems to fit a little bit. Yeah, no
Speaker 1: teammates going together. What special delivery, But John's live delivery
Speaker 1: put it right there on the table. My good man
Speaker 1: We'll put it right here this yeah, actually put it
Speaker 1: right over here by me, please, it's about to say
Speaker 1: put it in between me. Hey, look you got some
Speaker 1: caffeine too. I forgot. We are still live in the radio.
Speaker 1: Papa John's coming like you never know what's going to
Speaker 1: happen at the Star man Bobs, never know. Why are
Speaker 1: the Lions moving up? So a lot of people have
Speaker 1: them picking a quarterback at the back of the first
Speaker 1: quarterback eat everything. That's but here's here's here's what's interesting
Speaker 1: to me. Thank you, Papa John shouts out to Papa
Speaker 1: John's appreciate it. Oh yeah, that's wonderful, Thank you. I
Speaker 1: was so hungry. Um, we're on we're on radio right
Speaker 1: were what is interesting to me? Here about the trade up? Though,
Speaker 1: uh New Orleans. When they the way they moved up,
Speaker 1: Washington got shortered about one hundred points on the trade
Speaker 1: value chart. The combination of the picks Minnesota got totaled
Speaker 1: up to fourteen ten and they gave away sixteen forty.
Speaker 1: And so there's the trade up. It's a buyer's market.
Speaker 1: If Dallas wants to go up here, if Dallas wants
Speaker 1: to get up in the mid teens, I don't think
Speaker 1: wook us through that again what you just said. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so according to the trade value charts, yes, New Orleans
Speaker 1: got like got a value there. Washington got shortered about
Speaker 1: one hundred points for the value of pickle up. But
Speaker 1: then when you look at what Minnesota just traded away,
Speaker 1: which was twelve and forty six, the points there is
Speaker 1: sixteen forty and what Detroit gave up was thirty two
Speaker 1: thirty four, and then they also gave up sixty six
Speaker 1: and that told it up to fourteen ten. And so
Speaker 1: they they won that trade by two hundred and thirty points.
Speaker 1: Two hundred thirty points is the seventy second pick in
Speaker 1: the draft. Wow, So what's that? That's fast? That's a gap.
Speaker 1: Break it down for dummies like me. Basically, the nobody
Speaker 1: thinks the players at the top of this draft are
Speaker 1: valuable enough to like get a king's ranch. People want depth,
Speaker 1: They want to get more picks and take less to
Speaker 1: move back. Yep, yep. And so I mean if if
Speaker 1: and more confident that good players will be around, then
Speaker 1: taking a risk on these this range of picks right here.
Speaker 1: So if Dallas wants to go up for somebody, whether
Speaker 1: it be go up for Penning or go up for
Speaker 1: one of these other guys that they might like. It
Speaker 1: shouldn't cost him a ton. Who will we pick them
Speaker 1: for the Lions? Goodell is at the podium, Pallas, it's
Speaker 1: gotta be Willis. Yeah, quarterback, you wouldn't go for this.
Speaker 1: Let use a quarterback. With the twelve pick in the
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two NFL Draft, the Detroit Lions select Jamison
Speaker 1: Willman Williams, Oh wow, do you wow? Two moves up
Speaker 1: for two receivers. Do you want to throw your pin? Dave?
Speaker 1: I mean I never I never really believed he was
Speaker 1: never going to be a cowboy. But I love him.
Speaker 1: I can't. I hope it's okay, dream Jamison. I wish
Speaker 1: you all the success. Why do you love him? He's
Speaker 1: he's free, He's Tyreek hill Man. He's fast as all hell.
Speaker 1: He catches the football. But like that's it's not he's
Speaker 1: not just the speed guy. Like he's not just like
Speaker 1: run a go route guy, Like he is a polished
Speaker 1: receiver who happens to be fast as all hell. Am
Speaker 1: I am I off base with any of what I
Speaker 1: just said. No, no, Now he got hurt in the
Speaker 1: National championship, right and Bama wins that game if he doesn't. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that felt like I remember, that felt like their chances
Speaker 1: got dramatically lowered when Jameson Williams got hurt in that game.
Speaker 1: It's been a minute, and I was definitely I was
Speaker 1: having a few adult beverages while I watched it. But
Speaker 1: I mean he he terrorized George's defense in the SEC
Speaker 1: title game, which Bama one going away for Honest, do
Speaker 1: you have a problem with this from a team building standpoint? Well,
Speaker 1: you know what I really mean, giving away picks for
Speaker 1: a bad team. We just got another trade, by the way,
Speaker 1: big one too, while Philadelphia traded up the thirteen. Okay, now, okay,
Speaker 1: so that I was kind because I was looking at
Speaker 1: Houston was talking about wide receiver. You know, are we
Speaker 1: starting to see the runs on the wide receivers now
Speaker 1: here free? Yeah? I don't know, Like who do they like? Here?
Speaker 1: Is there any who? Is there any receiver left that
Speaker 1: would go in this range? People? There are a lot
Speaker 1: of people from verse first. Yeah, I just to me
Speaker 1: because like I saying, I was, I was. I didn't
Speaker 1: think like with Troit giving up all that to go up,
Speaker 1: I kind of felt like it was for that quarterback.
Speaker 1: You know, I kind of felt like that that they
Speaker 1: were not willing to wait till thirty two to get
Speaker 1: to try and get that guy. So that's why. But
Speaker 1: Jamison William's going up and getting that pick. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's my number one wide receiver on the board. There.
Speaker 1: Their their top trade is ludicrous speed. I don't think
Speaker 1: I've seen that before. Ludicrous. I mean, it's next level,
Speaker 1: it really is. He does so many things well on
Speaker 1: a football field, it's gonna be tough to to see him.
Speaker 1: It was tough to see a non quarterback go here, Brian.
Speaker 1: I mean, he was as confident as anybody was right
Speaker 1: there with you. I thought this was going to be
Speaker 1: either pick it or Willis because of the way they
Speaker 1: went up and jumped up to make the selection at twelve.
Speaker 1: But the fact that it's it is Williams shows just
Speaker 1: how highly they regarded Let's focus on the enemy. Now,
Speaker 1: Why is Philadelphia on the clock? Why did they move
Speaker 1: to get here? How he loves himself a deal, That's why.
Speaker 1: That's you knew, like from the very jump, when when
Speaker 1: the Eagles had three first round picks, you knew they
Speaker 1: weren't making them all that's never gonna have. This is
Speaker 1: an even trade. By the way, this one comes out
Speaker 1: pretty even because Philadelphia has given up fifteen UM one
Speaker 1: twenty four, one sixty two, one sixty six just to
Speaker 1: go up two spots. But those picks, the difference totals
Speaker 1: up to ninety six, and there was one hundred point
Speaker 1: gap there between fifteen and thirteen. Let's get some names
Speaker 1: out there, fellas. What are we looking at? Bobby Man
Speaker 1: I burks, I guess I don't. I don't know what
Speaker 1: they're going up for. Kyle Hamilton, maybe Hamilton. Maybe they
Speaker 1: like Kyle Hamilton. Are they trying to jump Baltimore? Do
Speaker 1: they like Jordan Davis? About to say this might be
Speaker 1: for Jordan Davis. You're right about that. I was about
Speaker 1: to say that. And if they lose Jordan Davis, does
Speaker 1: Baltimore want to bail out? Does Dallas call m it'd
Speaker 1: be funny. This was to replace Jalen Hurts. So the
Speaker 1: fifteenth pick now belongs to the Houston Texans. Yeas we're
Speaker 1: talking about all right, So the Eagles are on the clock. Uh,
Speaker 1: they look like they won the Carson Wentz deal. They're
Speaker 1: they're they're they're got to be going for Jordan Davis here.
Speaker 1: They're they're get ready for that. I think this is
Speaker 1: where everybody's been talking about Baltimore taking this mammoth defensive tackle. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And and and if you follow guys on our sister
Speaker 1: station b P there in Philadelphia, they were they were
Speaker 1: talking about the perfect pick, the perfect pick, you know,
Speaker 1: when they were starting to talk about their guys, Jordan
Speaker 1: Davis was a guy that they were trying to talk
Speaker 1: about there, So tell us about him. What's not to
Speaker 1: say about this guy? I mean, he is mammoth, you know,
Speaker 1: and and he's a monster. Yeah. And it's just the
Speaker 1: rare ability, you know, it's that it's just that, you know,
Speaker 1: we talk about these guys that are so big and
Speaker 1: how will they move? And he's active and he's I mean,
Speaker 1: and I was talking to scouts about him the other day.
Speaker 1: It's not that he takes up two blockers, he takes
Speaker 1: up three. You know. That's the kind of thing that
Speaker 1: you have to do with. I mean, it's hard to
Speaker 1: get him off his spot because he's that big. What
Speaker 1: are the Knox against him to cause him to come
Speaker 1: here at thirteen when some people just think he's a
Speaker 1: top five talent. He very well could be a top
Speaker 1: five player in the draft. It's the factor of at Georgia,
Speaker 1: he was only utilized in two down situations. He did
Speaker 1: not play as at times he Yeah, DeVante Wyatt was
Speaker 1: just as successful from a defensive tackles and point at
Speaker 1: times on that defense. It was basically the communication or
Speaker 1: excuse me, the conflict of whether or not it was
Speaker 1: because the guys around him were so good or because
Speaker 1: he was so good. I certainly think Jordan Davis is
Speaker 1: a phenomenal player, and I think he should be a
Speaker 1: top ten pick, or at least has top ten talent
Speaker 1: in this draft. He's gonna go exceptionally high because of
Speaker 1: his traits. I don't think teams really care about the
Speaker 1: fact that he was only used in two downs. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's be honest too about football. We see this stage
Speaker 1: and I got in a discussion with people about this,
Speaker 1: about oh, only we're gonna play thirty five the snaps
Speaker 1: the nickel, and someone goes, well, well, how about how
Speaker 1: many snaps his tank playing a game forty forty five fifty,
Speaker 1: I mean, how many snaps all these defensive linemen. But
Speaker 1: you talk about if you're playing nickel, maybe this guy's
Speaker 1: coming off the field, but the other times that he plays,
Speaker 1: you're not going to run the ball on these guys.
Speaker 1: You know. That's the thing about it is and there's
Speaker 1: everybody plays in a rotating system. Now, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: so drafted a guy like this, the one technique makes
Speaker 1: a lot of sense if they if they pick him.
Speaker 1: Been a lot to talk about Fletcher Cox leaving there,
Speaker 1: multiple rumors, so and and Howie Roseman is obsessed with
Speaker 1: addressing the defensive line. I mean Fletcher Cox, Derek Barnett,
Speaker 1: Jordan Davis, if he's the pick um Graham going way back,
Speaker 1: Brandon Graham. I mean, they they throw resources at their
Speaker 1: defensive line all the time. I was hoping they go
Speaker 1: receiver again again because they keep missing there. But maybe Howie,
Speaker 1: uh the Belichick of the NFC in terms of evaluating
Speaker 1: wideouts is like, no, let's go with the big fellow
Speaker 1: and brought us is right about all these rumors that right,
Speaker 1: the pick that you always want always seems to fall
Speaker 1: like to the Ravens, it's like, oh are you serious,
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. Every year. Actually that's a wonderful point. Sean,
Speaker 1: Like if Jordan Davis is the play is the pick.
Speaker 1: Thank god, somebody finally got in front of the bald range.
Speaker 1: It's like, it's like, I remember, remember I Todd he
Speaker 1: Todd heat the Ravens win the Super Bowl and they're like,
Speaker 1: what do they need? They need a tight end? The
Speaker 1: best damn tight end goes all the way down to
Speaker 1: thirty two. Yeah, and they dropped him every freaking year,
Speaker 1: every year. And how he's like enough enough of this.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm interested though with with you know, they
Speaker 1: got Hardgrave there too. I mean, does does Hardgrave? Is
Speaker 1: that like a you know, with Javin Hargrave? Does that A?
Speaker 1: Is that? Do you move him to three? Is that a?
Speaker 1: Is he a one? What is I mean? If you
Speaker 1: draft this guy? We're three now? They also really like
Speaker 1: as a future at three technique, they really like Milton Williams.
Speaker 1: Milton Williams Yeah, and a third round pick for those guys. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So the Eagles, I mean, I think we can all agree,
Speaker 1: but grudgingly, they had a very nice season, was supposed
Speaker 1: to be, you know, a year in which many people
Speaker 1: had them fourth place in the NFC East. This is
Speaker 1: a judgment year for Jalen Hurts. Uh, and they're always aggressive,
Speaker 1: and they're being aggressive. They got their one for next
Speaker 1: year when these quarterbacks, so they got multiple picks, and
Speaker 1: so if they don't like what Hurts is doing, then
Speaker 1: they could draft a quarterback. It's funny. And look, I
Speaker 1: know I know where we are, I know who We're
Speaker 1: a Cowboys station. But like I've always I admire the
Speaker 1: way the Eagles run their front office, and I think
Speaker 1: it's interesting. Like it seems like Eagles fans have been
Speaker 1: mad at Howie in recent years because that twenty seventeen
Speaker 1: team has fallen apart. But hatible name. I mean, sure,
Speaker 1: how Yeah, you know you can pick at that a lot.
Speaker 1: I just I'll take his track record throw in a
Speaker 1: super Bowl on top of it. I think they do
Speaker 1: a damn good job of keeping their roster maintained. All right,
Speaker 1: So the Eagles are on the clock, they pick is in.
Speaker 1: We got the Eagles and the Ravens picks are and
Speaker 1: apparently we're just waiting for TV to catch up. Of
Speaker 1: course we're just sitting around now there. Texans are on
Speaker 1: the clock at fifteen. We've got two picks in that
Speaker 1: are just outstanding that we're waiting for. All Right, let's
Speaker 1: go to the commissioner as he has some company on stage,
Speaker 1: and Roger Goodell is going to make the selection. Brian
Speaker 1: brought us be quiet, i'p here at the podium on
Speaker 1: one O five three the Fan and Dallas Cowboys dot Com.
Speaker 1: This is a radio technique of dragging it out to
Speaker 1: Roger talks hit it. Joining me for the Eagles pick
Speaker 1: are six high school tackle and flag football captains from
Speaker 1: teams across Clark County in Las Vegas. They truly exemplified
Speaker 1: the NFL's values of respect, integrity, resiliency, and responsibility to
Speaker 1: their teams. Congratulations to all of you on your accomplishments
Speaker 1: of good luck on the upcoming season. Welcome. The Houston
Speaker 1: Texas have traded the thirteenth pick to the Philadelphia Eagles.
Speaker 1: We're the thirteenth pick in the twenty twenty two NFL Draft.
Speaker 1: The Philadelphia Eagles select Jordan Davis. There we go, defensive
Speaker 1: tackle Georgia. Good guys, well done. Let's come back to
Speaker 1: talk about that and we'll set you up for the
Speaker 1: rest of the board. Is We've had a lot of
Speaker 1: movement here in the last few selections, so it's gonna
Speaker 1: be Baltimore on the clock, followed by the Texans and
Speaker 1: then the Commanders who moved down. This is the twenty
Speaker 1: twenty two NFL Draft. It just started getting fun. I'm
Speaker 1: one O five through the fan and the Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 1: Readio network. So now that Jordan Davis is off the board,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go I'm gonna circle right back to Baltimore.
Speaker 1: And we were just talking about how, oh, finally somebody
Speaker 1: ends the reign of terror, Baltimore making great picks, and
Speaker 1: I'm looking at my board and there's one red, blinking,
Speaker 1: glaring light in Kyle Hamilton's sitting on the board here
Speaker 1: for Baltimore at fourteen. If they pick Kyle Hamilton's, I
Speaker 1: feel like that ragin of terror just continues. That's a
Speaker 1: top five player in this draft point and he is
Speaker 1: still sitting here at fourteen. Maybe it may not be
Speaker 1: the reign of terror of Jordan Davis, which, by the way,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys are not gonna have to see not only
Speaker 1: Cabon Thibodeau twice a year, but now they're gonna have
Speaker 1: to see Jordan Davis twice a year on the opposite side.
Speaker 1: Do you agree with that, Brian? This would be a
Speaker 1: heck of a fortune of fall. Yeah, I really. You know,
Speaker 1: when you when you start to talk about, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: what is this guy wearing? Is he wearing the red
Speaker 1: tape around the jersey's got a little sash. It's like
Speaker 1: he's just sash colors. Yeah, he's he's got it. It's
Speaker 1: like a it looks like a soccer jersey. It's kind
Speaker 1: of an interesting look. But yeah, I'll say this though,
Speaker 1: the Ravens, they usually don't get blindsided by stuff. And
Speaker 1: you know, and I think this is what happens when
Speaker 1: there's such coverage of the NFL draft and there's so
Speaker 1: many mock drafts now, and there's so many people talking,
Speaker 1: and there's so much pressure, like, hey, so and so
Speaker 1: told me this, so and so. I mean, look what
Speaker 1: we've done here the last month or so. I mean,
Speaker 1: look what we've done with the draft show and things
Speaker 1: like that. I kind of feel like though that there
Speaker 1: used to be a time where teams were kind of
Speaker 1: be able to not telegraph stuff enough, you know, they
Speaker 1: like they could keep things under wrap. Think at you guys,
Speaker 1: basically I'm not kissing girls for your end, but you're
Speaker 1: basically calling the picks and predicting it. Imagine working for
Speaker 1: a team. Well, that's the thing about it is that
Speaker 1: you go in when you're doing these mock drafts to
Speaker 1: the team the benefits. You know, back in the day,
Speaker 1: we didn't have the benefit of like, oh, well, Daniel
Speaker 1: Jeremiah is doing a mock draft, Bobby Belt's doing a
Speaker 1: mock draft. Oh Bucky Brooks is doing a So you
Speaker 1: you almost had to do it yourself. And now and
Speaker 1: when you go in and you're starting to study about
Speaker 1: these teams, you're kind of like going, oh, well, what
Speaker 1: is there? What is their beat? Writers are saying? What
Speaker 1: are fans saying about? And you could start projecting if
Speaker 1: the names keep showing up enough, then, like, I think
Speaker 1: how in them had an idea that Baltimore was a
Speaker 1: team that was really looked at. George Baltimore doesn't say
Speaker 1: anything right, Baltimore is not a leaking team. But all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, there just was enough up of a
Speaker 1: ground swell that people thought perfect fit, perfect fit in
Speaker 1: Philadelphia's like, hell with that, let's go ahead of them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, And so I kind of feel like though
Speaker 1: that the Ravens, I don't know if they got blindsided,
Speaker 1: but they kind of had an idea that potentially something
Speaker 1: like this was gonna happen. And the Ravens are one
Speaker 1: of these teams. I mean you covered him for a while.
Speaker 1: I mean you're from there. They just sitting there and
Speaker 1: make the pick. Yeah, they're not gonna they're not gonna
Speaker 1: freak out, They're not gonna panic. I know Eric da
Speaker 1: Costa who took over for Ozzie and he was a
Speaker 1: Ozzie's protege, and they'll just say, all right, we'll just
Speaker 1: pick the next player. We get the homework, we'll take
Speaker 1: the next one. Well. And also going on the back
Speaker 1: end of what Brian saying here, seeing these scenarios working
Speaker 1: out in the way that it's worked out right now,
Speaker 1: Bobby came into today and credit to Bobby saying that
Speaker 1: his gut feeling was that the Cowboys would trade up
Speaker 1: and go get Trevor Penning. If right now at fourteen,
Speaker 1: Kyle Hamilton indeed is the pick, and I'm once again
Speaker 1: I'm not looking at anything. I've got my own board
Speaker 1: in front of I mean, if Kyle Hamilton's the pig,
Speaker 1: then we go to fifteen, the Houston Texans are sitting there,
Speaker 1: then it's the Commanders, then it's the Chargers in fifteen,
Speaker 1: sixteen seventeen. Yeah, that could be a target area where
Speaker 1: the Cowboys don't have to give up a ton. They
Speaker 1: could still keep their second round pick and still go
Speaker 1: up and get a guy like Trevor Penning who's staying
Speaker 1: on the board through the mid teens. Here. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think that the mind field again you're gonna have to
Speaker 1: walk is that Chargers at seventeen. You know, I mean
Speaker 1: we we were talking about who are the players that
Speaker 1: like with Zion Johnson, what are the what are the
Speaker 1: teams if you're interested in Zion Johnson, I'm here in
Speaker 1: offensive lineman at the Chargers. You know very well what
Speaker 1: New Orleans right there, right at at nineteen is that
Speaker 1: is that it's still got is that still their picks?
Speaker 1: You know? New Orleans could use an offensive tackle right there.
Speaker 1: You know we were mentioned in that, you know, so
Speaker 1: to me, I kind of feel like though that you
Speaker 1: know that you're gonna have to deal with New England
Speaker 1: is another one that you're gonna have to do it. See.
Speaker 1: See there's there's these tackles, these offensive technically if you're
Speaker 1: thinking about trying to get for Penny you might have
Speaker 1: to go up, like you know, you're gonna have to
Speaker 1: maybe find a way to get up to head of
Speaker 1: the Chargers if you can there with Washington on the
Speaker 1: clock there, all right, let's get ready with the Ravens
Speaker 1: on the clock, followed by the Texans and Washington. Nobody
Speaker 1: paid me or asked me to say this, but pretty good.
Speaker 1: Do we need to take some in there? Yeah? Probably
Speaker 1: Sean Tree. Brian brought us David Helm and Kyle Yeomans
Speaker 1: and our Cowboys insider Bobby Belt. Things getting very interesting
Speaker 1: with New Orleans moving. The Philadelphia Eagles just jumped to
Speaker 1: Baltimore Ravens. We think to select the monster Jordan Davis,
Speaker 1: and now Baltimore's pick his in. Here's Roger Goodell at
Speaker 1: the podium and number fourteen. In the twenty twenty two
Speaker 1: NFL Draft, the Baltimore Ravens select Kyle Hamilton, defensive Notre Dame.
Speaker 1: All right, good call Kyle Yeoman's. Just when we're laughing
Speaker 1: at Baltimore, they're like, okay, we'll take a player that
Speaker 1: some had in the top six or seven. Gosh, that's
Speaker 1: such a Baltimore pig. Yeah, they do. They do things
Speaker 1: too well. Up there to be thrown off too hard
Speaker 1: by Jordan Davis. Oh Man, Jordan Davis is off the board.
Speaker 1: Let's go get the long range. He defensive back that
Speaker 1: takes snaps all over the field. He has that high motor.
Speaker 1: He has the ability to play all around the entire defense.
Speaker 1: He can play in the box, he can play in
Speaker 1: the deep third, plays in the slot. He's a coverage
Speaker 1: guy at times, Brian, and you mentioned earlier there's some
Speaker 1: con in terms of his change of direction, maybe a
Speaker 1: step in the bucket from time to time, but ultimately
Speaker 1: this is the most rangey and athletically talented corner or
Speaker 1: excuse me, safety that we've seen him a couple of years. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you know, it's funny because some of these you
Speaker 1: can literally watch him play in the slot. And I
Speaker 1: don't know if I really want him to cover in
Speaker 1: the slot all the time, but as a changeup. But
Speaker 1: what's interesting also two is the Baltimore Ravens with a
Speaker 1: new defensive coordinator there, Wink Martindale no longer. Now Wink
Speaker 1: is at the Giants, You're gonna have to worry about him. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is a team that always we talk about it
Speaker 1: at the drafts the way they're able to. They don't
Speaker 1: get faced by that who's the next best defensive player
Speaker 1: on their board? That's when the tags and stuff are,
Speaker 1: you know, taken down. And Kyle Hamilton clearly is on
Speaker 1: my board. He was the eleventh best player, so kind
Speaker 1: of right where he I think he was going to
Speaker 1: be taken. Twenty three no longer belongs to the Arizona Cardinals.
Speaker 1: Okay they have. The Ravens have traded Hollywood brown and
Speaker 1: pick number one hundred twenty three. Okay, so we're getting wild,
Speaker 1: now we are. We're getting wild here. Hollywood just went
Speaker 1: where to the Cardinals? Of the Cardinals? Whoa? So the
Speaker 1: Ravens need a receiver? And are they gonn Let's get
Speaker 1: ahead of Dallas for Burks. I don't know, but the
Speaker 1: Cardinals just solved. If they were going to get ahead
Speaker 1: of somebody, you would think it would be the Packers
Speaker 1: because there's been smoke there about Burks as well. Wow,
Speaker 1: so the Texans are on the clock. Washington is then
Speaker 1: picking next at number sixteen. That it's already in for Houston.
Speaker 1: Arizona has gone from the first round. Now yep, so
Speaker 1: that take that Seger So that is why do you
Speaker 1: say that, because Peter Scheger's got in the pick right
Speaker 1: four years in a row he was, he was, that's
Speaker 1: called the trade up. Yeah he didn't, but that's what
Speaker 1: you're worried about because he two years. I mean, the
Speaker 1: last two last mock drafts were Zion Johnson. You know,
Speaker 1: this thing is kind of I think is actually, you know,
Speaker 1: we'll see. I mean, I know there's some teams that
Speaker 1: need some of these offensive linemen and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: but you like the way it's kind of lining up
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys right now. I think I'm okay with
Speaker 1: what's what's what's going on right now. I'm glad to
Speaker 1: get Arizona out of the way, you know, I really am.
Speaker 1: I think that was a team if you're interested in
Speaker 1: Zion Johnson, that was a team I kind of because
Speaker 1: again Peter Schreeger, Bobby just mentioned the last four years
Speaker 1: he's nailed Arizona's mock and what do you do this
Speaker 1: first mock he picked Zion Johnson. Second mock, he picked
Speaker 1: Zion Johnson. So that was something plugged in. I mean absolutely.
Speaker 1: He was kind of the first nationally to talk about
Speaker 1: Trayvon Walker going one. Yeah, and he is tight with McVeigh,
Speaker 1: so he's going to get the Rams pick as well
Speaker 1: well on Saturday at like five o'clock the fourth. I mean,
Speaker 1: you're not wrong. He will get it right. I'm just
Speaker 1: trying to think. I'm doing math here thinking. Okay, guys,
Speaker 1: we think the Cowboys, like Burke's is still there, Zion's
Speaker 1: still there, Green is still there, Penning is still there.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. Lloyd is still there. I'm at
Speaker 1: this point do they sit and they just go? Somebody
Speaker 1: will be there. I think they're going to. I really do.
Speaker 1: Depends on how hell ben't they are on getting an
Speaker 1: offensive line. Bobby first round. You've been really good about
Speaker 1: analyzing the ups and downs with the with the price
Speaker 1: to go up, Are we still in a good buyers market?
Speaker 1: Are we? Are we starting to flip this thing around?
Speaker 1: I mean it changes it a little bit just because
Speaker 1: you don't know, Like, Okay, what does Hollywood Brown w
Speaker 1: here we go with the Texans selection of fifteen? Okay,
Speaker 1: the Houston Texans select Kenyan Green. I'll tell you what.
Speaker 1: When we talked about we talked about this pre show,
Speaker 1: Lantzer line nailed this pick. Lanzer line if we were
Speaker 1: Texans connections. Yeah, the Texas connections up there. He nailed them. Houston,
Speaker 1: he nailed this pick. He and his mock draft, he
Speaker 1: had Kenyon Green going to the Houston to the Hut.
Speaker 1: Producer Troy Hughes, our producer tonight is heartbroken because this
Speaker 1: is the Texas a and m Aggie tell us about him.
Speaker 1: I think this is one of those picks that kind
Speaker 1: of puts your war room in gear if you're the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: because you didn't expect this to happen. There's no way
Speaker 1: outside of zerline, there's no way Kenyan Green was in
Speaker 1: the top fifteen from January on. He was going to
Speaker 1: fall to the to the twenty fours. The questions about
Speaker 1: the knee because of the injury, Yeah, I mean he's
Speaker 1: He's a fantastic football player. You talk about exceptional lower
Speaker 1: body strength. He plays with strong hands, doesn't let go,
Speaker 1: he doesn't necessarily let go of his blocks at all,
Speaker 1: and he did so against the best competition and all
Speaker 1: over the line of scrimmage for the Agge's in the
Speaker 1: SEC throughout his career. He does have the occasional misstep
Speaker 1: from time to time, as does any lineman that plays
Speaker 1: against that sort of competition, but he's usually able to recover,
Speaker 1: and he's able to move on the run as well.
Speaker 1: The knee is a question mark, and I know the
Speaker 1: Cowboys certainly we're questioning his health moving forward enough to
Speaker 1: take him at twenty four, but at fifteen, that's pretty
Speaker 1: a high price to pay for a guy. They must
Speaker 1: have really liked something they saw in him. If you want,
Speaker 1: if you want me to be honest, and you always
Speaker 1: have to be delicate about this type of stuff, and we,
Speaker 1: I mean, we lay it out there about the concerns.
Speaker 1: I don't know if Dallas would have drafted him at
Speaker 1: twenty four. I don't think they because they were worried
Speaker 1: that worried about the knee. Maybe depending on what was
Speaker 1: available to them, maybe they do it. But I think,
Speaker 1: to use your terminology, Brian, I think this is a
Speaker 1: fake pen throw for the Cowboys where they're like, ah damn,
Speaker 1: somebody else took a chance on the guy with the knee,
Speaker 1: go for it. Yeah, No, just as a player. I
Speaker 1: think they like they love him as a well, but
Speaker 1: I think they're worried enough about his health that they
Speaker 1: wouldn't have done it. Yeah, And I think That's the thing.
Speaker 1: My assumption is that Green would be ranked higher for
Speaker 1: them than Johnson was. But I think they would have
Speaker 1: taken Johnson if it came down to those two. I
Speaker 1: think they would have taken Johnson at that point. And
Speaker 1: me saying that this gets you into gear from a
Speaker 1: war room standpoint, is as high as he was taken
Speaker 1: because even with the concern around his health and around
Speaker 1: the knee, they still expected him to go in the
Speaker 1: twenties or at least that's what the thought process is.
Speaker 1: That he was going to wait until the latter half
Speaker 1: of the first round. He wasn't supposed to go in
Speaker 1: the teams. Now does the price go up on Zion Johnson?
Speaker 1: That's my thing is is Trevor Penning Zion Johnson? Is
Speaker 1: are these the last chance efforts to go up and
Speaker 1: get an offensive tackle or an offensive guard if they
Speaker 1: wanted to really upgrade the offensive line spot. So now
Speaker 1: we need to do some math, not just trade math
Speaker 1: Washington on the clock, by the way, but count the
Speaker 1: players that you'd be happy with on your board falling
Speaker 1: to twenty four. How much we think are the Cowboys
Speaker 1: both I think right now you're looking at primarily in
Speaker 1: my opinion, I think you'd be looking at Penning, Zion Johnson,
Speaker 1: and Trailing Burks. Yeah, those are the three names I had. Yep,
Speaker 1: maybe a Devin Lloyd in there a few more. That's
Speaker 1: only three. That gets me to eighteen. It's well, I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: so pick sixteen is in for Washington. Chargers are on
Speaker 1: the clock. The thing is that where your offensive line
Speaker 1: threats here between you and between now and your pick?
Speaker 1: Chargers are they are? The Saints? Are the Patriots are? Yeah?
Speaker 1: The Patriots I was hearing. I was hearing possibly Zion
Speaker 1: Johnson or Lloyd linebacker. Yeah. Yeah, It's funny. All the
Speaker 1: guys we said Washington loved are gone, Like I don't
Speaker 1: know what I don't know what they do here? Receiver
Speaker 1: take a tackle? Is there? Receiver? Who are the receivers left? Burst? Um,
Speaker 1: there's Burks, there's Pickings, there's Hants, and that would be
Speaker 1: that would be shocked. They just are we going to
Speaker 1: get the Cowboys war room camera this year? I think
Speaker 1: it's been up a couple it's been up a couple
Speaker 1: of times. It's been a little it's been a little chilling.
Speaker 1: There is right there, Oh there, it is right there.
Speaker 1: Thank you Dallas Cowboys dot com. Uh, and then I
Speaker 1: always like to stalk out that activity to see if
Speaker 1: they're on the phone for any potential trade or move
Speaker 1: up or right now they are sitting and they are chilling.
Speaker 1: JJ's not even in there, not a whole lot of activity. Huh. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're they're they're sitting back. I think you're sitting there
Speaker 1: just wondering where old mister Zions going or if he will.
Speaker 1: I think they're sweating that one right now. But you know,
Speaker 1: if if you see them start working the phones, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe they feel like that they've got to go and
Speaker 1: you know they can't wait for that. Now. When you
Speaker 1: gave those three names, where those your names or you
Speaker 1: think their names? I think those are their names. Okay,
Speaker 1: I would out of those names, I'm alone. Nobody wants
Speaker 1: fix the offensive line, I would. I love Burks. I
Speaker 1: love trailing Burks at Arkansas. Yeah. I think Stephen Jones
Speaker 1: loves Trail because he went to Arkansas because his son,
Speaker 1: his son was a quarterback. That they know about this player, yeah,
Speaker 1: they absolutely know about this player. And that's the thing
Speaker 1: about it is that I feel like though that maybe
Speaker 1: the coaching staff Bobby correct me if I'm wrong. Maybe
Speaker 1: the coaching staff not as high on this guy. I mean,
Speaker 1: I just think there's probably like a lot of debate
Speaker 1: and a lot of split. I mean, that's what we've
Speaker 1: heard like leaking out recently, right, Like there's a split
Speaker 1: in there, and there's and one of the things that
Speaker 1: I think is important is Robert Prince, I know the
Speaker 1: receiver's coach. He wants polished route runners. That's who who
Speaker 1: he's very high on. And I don't know that that's
Speaker 1: not Burks. Burks is all traits and upside. And it
Speaker 1: was a Maria polished Yeah, Samaria the polished Yes. Sorry,
Speaker 1: oh oh, I get it now. I thought you meant
Speaker 1: as a prospect. I was like, yes, no, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: Amari Cooper is better than whatever they're going to come
Speaker 1: out of this draft with. Probably, you know, I didn't know.
Speaker 1: I wasn't trying to be that negative date. I was
Speaker 1: just trying to do it drive by sarcastic shot. But
Speaker 1: I'd like you like to explain the negativity a little
Speaker 1: bit more. There we go. So here we go. The
Speaker 1: Commander's pick is in with Roger Goodell at the podium,
Speaker 1: number sixteen. Thanks pick in the twenty twenty two NFL Draft,
Speaker 1: the Washington Commanders select John Dudson, whoa wide receivers rich.
Speaker 1: That's really rich. That that would be shocking, And that's
Speaker 1: what happened. All right, We're we're living up to the
Speaker 1: hypeer fellas, there's something well, I mean, we've already seen
Speaker 1: a million trades. We've yes there and there's one coming
Speaker 1: down the line as well. And that's a perfect tease
Speaker 1: on one oh five through the fan and the Dallas
Speaker 1: Cowboys radio network. Y'all. A J. Brown's getting traded to Philadelphia. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's why the Titans. That makes sense. Wow, Kyle, I
Speaker 1: should have said it when we were back up on
Speaker 1: the stream. A J. Brown's going to Philly, guys for
Speaker 1: that pick. I didn't see the terms because if that's
Speaker 1: the pick, I think this is Burks. All right, reset
Speaker 1: all this. So where are we at here? Let's see
Speaker 1: what pick? Are we at seventeen officially on the television
Speaker 1: side of things, and so Philly's on the clock at eighteen.
Speaker 1: There's been a lot of chatter about Burt Traylan Burks
Speaker 1: to the Packers. Traylan Burks to the Packers, that's who
Speaker 1: who everybody's been connecting them with. With Philly sitting there
Speaker 1: at eighteen, you knew A J. Brown was unhappy. The
Speaker 1: very first comparison I heard for Traylan Burks from an
Speaker 1: NFL scout was AJ Brown eighteenth overall pick and a
Speaker 1: third to be determined. This is Burks. I think this
Speaker 1: is Tennessee going up to get Burks wild because I had,
Speaker 1: I had, and I think I talked about that on
Speaker 1: on G Bag today that that was that I was
Speaker 1: here in Tennessee just trying to jump up ahead of
Speaker 1: Green Bay to get Burks. Um. What do we think
Speaker 1: about Howie Roseman getting a J. Brown to go along
Speaker 1: with Davante? I think that this Eagles team is going
Speaker 1: to be very well positioned for the quarterback that they
Speaker 1: draft to run it next year. That's what I think.
Speaker 1: What did they give up for a J this pick
Speaker 1: and a third round? A third rounder? Here, we have
Speaker 1: a pick is already in for the Chargers. Let's go.
Speaker 1: We might lose our guy here, guys. Twenty two NFL Draft,
Speaker 1: the Los Angeles Chargers select Zion oh Goshen College left
Speaker 1: and then the upper cut. Yeah, in back to back selections.
Speaker 1: Now you are and now you're gonna lose Burks. I think,
Speaker 1: welcome to wipe out scenario. Everybody, Wow, Penning is there
Speaker 1: outside Finning. You're just penning your hopes on that or
Speaker 1: I'm just now that the fact that, the fact that
Speaker 1: the fact that Penning is starting to slip down a
Speaker 1: little bit and stuff just makes me go, Okay, well,
Speaker 1: maybe maybe that was wrong. Maybe I was wrong about
Speaker 1: hearing how much they liked him, because I'm surprised they
Speaker 1: haven't gone up. Man. See that's the thing we were
Speaker 1: talking about it, Bobby. I mean, you had some really
Speaker 1: good intelligence. I know, I was talking to some other
Speaker 1: people around the league seventeen, twenty one, twenty three. Those
Speaker 1: were all Zion Johnson potential landing spots. And now you're
Speaker 1: gonna get Titans take Titans will take Burks. I think.
Speaker 1: I think that's where we're heading here. And then Saints
Speaker 1: at nineteen could that be Penning? There you go? There
Speaker 1: you go. I think now you're now you're looking at
Speaker 1: your wipeout. Yeah, there you are. Hey, Tyler Linderbaum's still there. Everybody,
Speaker 1: let's just keep that in mind. I know they probably
Speaker 1: won't do it, but I would love that so let's
Speaker 1: get used to disappointment in this industry. Let's say okay,
Speaker 1: let's says, let's operate under this this thought. Would it
Speaker 1: goes Burkes and then Penning? Who are we talking about? Tyler?
Speaker 1: Tyler Smith? I think we're talking about Tyler Smith. Wow.
Speaker 1: I would take Lloyd or somebody like that, or bomb
Speaker 1: or I mean, I know they won't do I think
Speaker 1: Lloyd goes to the Patriots or they if they bail
Speaker 1: out me. Yeah, but there's no I don't think there's
Speaker 1: anybody to come up. Well they got Lloyd is a
Speaker 1: name to consider it until he's gone. At least, let's
Speaker 1: put it that should be yeah, Because I think I'm
Speaker 1: again we all we all know this. I don't even
Speaker 1: want to look at Twitter right now. I don't um.
Speaker 1: We know that most of these guys are going to
Speaker 1: be second round grades. Like I think Tyler Smith is
Speaker 1: a second round grade, but I don't know Lloyd's grade.
Speaker 1: Maybe Lloyd is a first round grade and hopefully well
Speaker 1: we know they they play it fast and loose with
Speaker 1: their grades when they need to, though they're not afraid to.
Speaker 1: M man. A lot of the phone's getting worse. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm looking at my phone and I just well, and Bobby,
Speaker 1: you brought it up a minute ago. You're surprised that
Speaker 1: they haven't gone up yet. They I mean, we've been
Speaker 1: taking peaks in at the war room. They haven't even
Speaker 1: picked up the phone yet. I mean even from a call,
Speaker 1: they haven't picked it up to done. Can we go
Speaker 1: to war room camera now? Can we see if they're
Speaker 1: to call them anybody yet? Well, somebody on a good
Speaker 1: point from somebody on Twitter, it's fair to call this
Speaker 1: this is a Jermaine Johnson free fall at this point. Boy, hey, Brian,
Speaker 1: not for me, Brian, not just for you. Trust your you.
Speaker 1: You can trust your guys because because your people told
Speaker 1: you a long time ago. Media is wrong on Johnson.
Speaker 1: They have Johnson way higher Scoop point. He has brought
Speaker 1: that up on multiple occasions. So they were right, because
Speaker 1: I mean, this is already way higher than people thought
Speaker 1: Johnson was gonna go. It was pick one on one,
Speaker 1: by the way, to add to the pick or the
Speaker 1: trade for a J Brown rather so the Titans get
Speaker 1: pick one on one. This pizza is really good, is it?
Speaker 1: Nobody's paying me or asking me to say it. It's good.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Papa John's very well, that's clutch. I got
Speaker 1: my caffeine fix. Not just ready to go, ready to go?
Speaker 1: We could do it. Yeah, thanks a h. So we
Speaker 1: got two TVs up here. If I get if I
Speaker 1: get my other TV option, I'll be in heaven, be
Speaker 1: ready to go for four am. Here we go. All right, guys,
Speaker 1: it feels like we just took a nasty combination in
Speaker 1: the ring. Maybe I thought it was two shots. It
Speaker 1: may have been three shots right then? With what just
Speaker 1: happened Sean Sharif, Kyle Yeoman's David Hellman from Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 1: dot Com our head scout, Brian brought us and Bobby Belt,
Speaker 1: our Cowboys insider. The Philadelphia Eagles have traded for a J.
Speaker 1: Brown AJ, one of these receivers not happy with his
Speaker 1: current contract situation. He doesn't have to worry about it
Speaker 1: in Tennessee any longer. He's going to the Eagles. And
Speaker 1: what else happened on the board before the Cowboys pick
Speaker 1: at twenty four? As you guys were talking about this
Speaker 1: wipeout scenario. Now, so you get Zion Johnson going seventeen
Speaker 1: to the Chargers. That's somebody they wanted. This is eighteen
Speaker 1: to pick us in. We don't know what it is
Speaker 1: yet to this Tennessee going up. This has gotta be Burkes, Bobby,
Speaker 1: who I kept doing all day. They wanted to go
Speaker 1: up and gets because trailing Burk's receiver in Arkansas. And
Speaker 1: like I said, the very first comp I got from
Speaker 1: somebody in the NFL about Burks was they said, A J. Brown, So, okay,
Speaker 1: let's go get a J. Brown again, jackal and on
Speaker 1: a rookie deal and not upset with things. Well, we'll
Speaker 1: just go get the younger version of them. Now did
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, Brian, how much do they love Johnson Zion Johnson?
Speaker 1: And how much did they like Burks? Yeah? I think
Speaker 1: that to me. When you started that, the hope was
Speaker 1: that maybe you were going to maybe have a chance
Speaker 1: today when the day started, you were going to get Burks,
Speaker 1: Johnson and then also Green. Those were the day, all
Speaker 1: those names, and now they're all likely going to be gone.
Speaker 1: Here A J. Brown just got an extension to what
Speaker 1: is it for four years, one hundred million, fifty seven
Speaker 1: guaranteed a year. It was a mari making. Has a J.
Speaker 1: Brown had a thousand yards season? It's almost as if
Speaker 1: that was a reasonable salary to pay a probram You guys,
Speaker 1: do you guys think that they really misjudged had a
Speaker 1: thousand yards and twenty where the wide receiver market was
Speaker 1: going sidebar because it was hard to see that Tyreek
Speaker 1: was gonna get thirty right, we were at twenty twenty
Speaker 1: one and then took it to twenty five. This might
Speaker 1: have been personal moving on at this point, moving on
Speaker 1: from Amari, like saving money was part of it, But
Speaker 1: there's more to it than that. There's that contract was
Speaker 1: one of the better ones they've done in recent memory
Speaker 1: in terms of like it was. It was an affordable
Speaker 1: price for a guy of his caliber, and they structured
Speaker 1: it so that they could get out of it like
Speaker 1: they It didn't hurt them to trade him. It wouldn't
Speaker 1: have hurt them to cut him. It was a very
Speaker 1: favorable contract and they didn't want it anyway, which leads
Speaker 1: me to believe to Brian's point, it was about more
Speaker 1: than just money. All right, Sorry, bitter side note is
Speaker 1: the biggest gut punch of ball Zion Johnson gone. I
Speaker 1: think the chargers. The fact that both of the guards
Speaker 1: are already gone and we haven't even hit picked twenty.
Speaker 1: That sucks. I think. Yeah, that was the fact that
Speaker 1: they probably had him penciled into maybe play center. You know,
Speaker 1: they were trying to fix some things that way too.
Speaker 1: So we'll see. I'm over. I'm over hearing about this
Speaker 1: positional value stuff like obviously quarterbacks and edge rushers and
Speaker 1: cornerbacks are gonna end tackles like that holds true, but
Speaker 1: people are like cowboys can't take a guard at twenty four.
Speaker 1: That's not good positional value. Okay, Well, the two that
Speaker 1: they were targeting went fifteenth and seventeen. They're gone. Stop.
Speaker 1: So you're looking at a short list of names of Tyler, Linderbaum,
Speaker 1: Tyler Smith. Here we go quick with the Titans selection
Speaker 1: at eighteen. Have traded the eighteenth pick to the Tennessee Titans.
Speaker 1: With the eighteenth pick in the twenty twenty two NFL Draft,
Speaker 1: the Tennessee Titans select Trailing Burkes. We'll call Bobby. You
Speaker 1: were on that all day, puzzle pieces, Bobby Bell, well
Speaker 1: done putting them together, putting them together. So now trying
Speaker 1: to put together that list Linderbaum, Tyler Smith, Rever Penning,
Speaker 1: debn Lloyd, Nakobe Dean. That's five names with six picks
Speaker 1: remaining until the Cowboys selected twenty four. You feel pretty
Speaker 1: good that it's going to be one of those guys.
Speaker 1: I mean I feel like right now, I feel like Pennings.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I feel like Penning could be
Speaker 1: coming here with the Saints at nineteen. Yeah, could be. Um,
Speaker 1: they got to replace Armstead, So I mean he's a
Speaker 1: he's a good athlete like Armstead. Yeah, Um, are we
Speaker 1: fine with a linebackers? On? Who else is there? I
Speaker 1: think I think if they lose Penning in the next
Speaker 1: few picks, I think we're looking at Tyler Smith. Please
Speaker 1: give me. How can I run across the way? You
Speaker 1: can I run? That's how this works. I thought Linder
Speaker 1: Bam was you know a fan favorite? Are you not
Speaker 1: feeling it? Fan favorite? Yeah? And that again that's I mean,
Speaker 1: we joke, but like that's what I always trying to
Speaker 1: tell people. Like, let's talk about him. He Brimington Award
Speaker 1: winner best center in college football, dominated the Big Ten,
Speaker 1: his tape as clean as hell. Man, Like, I mean,
Speaker 1: he gets to the second level, he does all the
Speaker 1: stuff you want your center to do. I've never seen
Speaker 1: I've never seen a player that's traits deficient play as
Speaker 1: great as he does. And I mean trade because I
Speaker 1: thought you guys were gonna have a problem with it. Now. See,
Speaker 1: the league doesn't like him because he's lighting the butt. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he doesn't have like the ideal like size and
Speaker 1: length that you would ask. This team has a history
Speaker 1: of playing with a small center, Mark Stepnoski. They went
Speaker 1: Super Bowls with a light center. Okay, I get it,
Speaker 1: it's twenty something years ago. But this kid, you watch
Speaker 1: him play, we talk about it. He's smart, he's tough,
Speaker 1: he could cut a defense in half. I mentioned that
Speaker 1: that's the one thing when you watch, when you watch Travis,
Speaker 1: Travis's Travis Frederick is not a difficult name. No I was, no, No,
Speaker 1: I know, but but my thoughts were going to my head.
Speaker 1: But see, that's that's the thing about it is you
Speaker 1: watch him play second level, You watch him reach wide,
Speaker 1: you watch him get out on sweeps and screens and
Speaker 1: stuff like that, and this is what this guy does.
Speaker 1: But they don't want a six two two ninety six
Speaker 1: pounds center. They just don't. I mean, he that's all
Speaker 1: he could play as center. Yeah, you know, so that's
Speaker 1: that's why they probably are against it. That goes back
Speaker 1: to I always frame it this way, but he might
Speaker 1: be the out of the box pick though that Jerry
Speaker 1: Jones was talking. I mean, if they get cleaned out,
Speaker 1: I don't think you can rule it out. But that's
Speaker 1: why I always tell people. I'm like, yeah, I'll give
Speaker 1: you my opinion, but it doesn't matter at the end
Speaker 1: of the day because they're the ones that are over
Speaker 1: there with the telephone. All right, uh so let me
Speaker 1: ask a This might be a dumb question, but Kurloft
Speaker 1: just do anything for anybody. Yeah, I like him. I
Speaker 1: don't know that they I don't think they Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know what was your question, Sean, Sorry, my question
Speaker 1: was going to be about their evaluation of offensive Lineman
Speaker 1: as of late, like Tyrnn, Zach Fine, Travis Good, Connor
Speaker 1: Williams just left here. Um Leo Collins. I don't know
Speaker 1: how you grate that the person I think the way
Speaker 1: it worked out, I mean, yeah, be honest, was a
Speaker 1: fourth rounder, but everyone's looking to replace him. How do
Speaker 1: you feel about there? Don't forget about McGovern either, McGovern
Speaker 1: that's probably the biggest one. They were head over second
Speaker 1: round grade on that. So my question is, like you know,
Speaker 1: every team usually like nails a position and we're like,
Speaker 1: all right, there you go, Cowboys offensive lineman. How do
Speaker 1: we feel about that? Now, that's a really good question.
Speaker 1: They haven't necessarily invested a ton though up front firm
Speaker 1: firm disagree, I mean Smith, okay, Connor Williams was a
Speaker 1: second round pick. Connor was picked fifty. McGovern was pick
Speaker 1: with it. They had him graded at the top and
Speaker 1: I already said that I agree with you in that
Speaker 1: regard because that's the biggest glaring miss right now. But
Speaker 1: outside of that, what have they done? Io Collins was
Speaker 1: a low risk, high reward sort of pick. They've invested
Speaker 1: two top one hundred picks an interior lineman that didn't
Speaker 1: give them back what they were Probably they didn't they
Speaker 1: trade up for be honest, they did. They went up
Speaker 1: for I know, the fourth round, but it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: They still invested capital to go up. And now they're going, well,
Speaker 1: is he's smart enough? Yeah? Or does he have the
Speaker 1: IQ to do this? Like, I mean, you're so. I
Speaker 1: was just wondering when we were all when everyone was
Speaker 1: talking about Cowboys offensive line, I was like, is is
Speaker 1: it as a big a lock? As I used to
Speaker 1: just think the funny the funny argument. Uh, people say
Speaker 1: it all the time. They're like, well, you shouldn't need
Speaker 1: five first round picks to have a great line, right,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys have not found a ton of great lineman
Speaker 1: that world first round picks. Yeah, that's a it's a
Speaker 1: very valid critique. You kind of need the Saints right
Speaker 1: here to take this quarterback, right, yes, yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: think they're going to though. I think this is our tackle. Okay,
Speaker 1: I think this is Penning. He's looking at Twitter. I
Speaker 1: did not no, no, no, no, no, no, did no.
Speaker 1: Actually I haven't seen anything about on Twitter. I'm saying
Speaker 1: it's like it fits like Armstead, he's athletic, Like they
Speaker 1: need a left they didn't need a tackle. I mentioned that.
Speaker 1: But if if, if you're in a if you're the
Speaker 1: Cowboys draft room and you're thinking about taking Penning, you're
Speaker 1: you're like praying right now that the Saints just go
Speaker 1: ahead and take this quarterback. So let's just it's probably
Speaker 1: your right, it's probably not gonna happen. Let's reset what
Speaker 1: has happened. Jordan Davis at thirteen goes to the Eagles
Speaker 1: and a trade up Hamilton, the safety goes to the
Speaker 1: Ravens at fourteen. Green the aggie from A and m
Speaker 1: up phrasing number fifteen. Yeah, I mean props to landcer Line.
Speaker 1: And we talked about this day before on the g
Speaker 1: Back Nation Bobby all Us, we all talked about that
Speaker 1: that landzer Line mocked him, and everybody's I must think, Hey,
Speaker 1: keep us something in mind here if you like Green,
Speaker 1: he got just mocked by And we were talking about
Speaker 1: scouts and these guys that have connections in the league. Man,
Speaker 1: he nailed that one. Good for him. So then at sixteen,
Speaker 1: Washington made a pick that you guys seemed to say, huh, yeah, Johnson,
Speaker 1: he's a good player. He's a good player, and it
Speaker 1: shouldn't be a surprise to see him go in the
Speaker 1: first round. But most people thought maybe more toward the
Speaker 1: back half. He's he's a very slight guy. Uh, he's
Speaker 1: he's a slot receiver, like can I think he is? Yes?
Speaker 1: Here we go with Goodell. Let's see if this is
Speaker 1: a quarterback or the tackle or service members. And although
Speaker 1: serving our great nation domestically and around the world with
Speaker 1: the nineteenth pick in the twenty twenty two NFL Draft,
Speaker 1: didn't Orland sakes like Trevor Penning tackle quo, good job, Bobo.
Speaker 1: Now I don't feel good about any of this, Okay,
Speaker 1: So compare this feeling to last year there was panic also, yeah,
Speaker 1: and that the corners went you had to settle from
Speaker 1: Michael Parson. Yeah. No. Look, look, I mean like, this
Speaker 1: isn't that my ideal situation. I have come to the
Speaker 1: point and this is the line I've been preaching on
Speaker 1: one O five through the fan for a while. Now.
Speaker 1: I've gotten a point where I just like blindly trust
Speaker 1: what the scouting staff is going to do, the work
Speaker 1: that they're gonna do. I'm gonna trust that they're gonna
Speaker 1: find me a good player, no matter what I may
Speaker 1: or may not like think of the player. The track
Speaker 1: record speaks for itself, and so to me, it's like
Speaker 1: I'm trusting the scouting staff. So look, if this pick
Speaker 1: is Nakobe Deane, if it's George Carloftus, if it's you know,
Speaker 1: Tyler Smith, if it's any name we haven't even talked
Speaker 1: about yet, then I'm gonna trust that they're gonna get
Speaker 1: it right. But this is this is but that's a
Speaker 1: little bit different from running out of options. You know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like, it's it's easier for me to
Speaker 1: trust you're going to get it right at ten than
Speaker 1: twenty four when they had fifteen first grade. We haven't
Speaker 1: seen them work the phones. We haven't seen them on
Speaker 1: the phone trying to go up, So they must feel
Speaker 1: comfortable enough if they lose those guys. Did you guys
Speaker 1: in any of your scenarios, have all these guys gone? No,
Speaker 1: not really. I tried running it through. I tried to
Speaker 1: create scenarios where they'd all be gone. Well, these are
Speaker 1: guys that I thought would be not on the board
Speaker 1: at all, to add to kind of the list of
Speaker 1: names that we thought would be there. George Karloftus I
Speaker 1: thought would be gone. I thought Nakobe Dean and Devin
Speaker 1: Lloyd had a good shot one of those two would
Speaker 1: be gone. They're both still sitting there. Davante Wyatt maybe
Speaker 1: in that conversation, but outside of that, No, I feel
Speaker 1: like the Cowboys were wiped out of their targets. But
Speaker 1: then they have these other guys that are sitting there
Speaker 1: too that could potentially I'm looking to play a fact.
Speaker 1: I wonder, like how many of the guys that we
Speaker 1: really penciled in as like guarantees to go or left,
Speaker 1: Like I would say Jermaine jo in his one yep.
Speaker 1: I would say, um, Devin Lloyd is one yep to
Speaker 1: Vante Wyatt, and then everything else is kind of a crapshoot.
Speaker 1: I just I wonder how much these last twelve or
Speaker 1: thirteen picks, Like how crazy is it gonna get? I
Speaker 1: just I didn't see. I didn't see it. Like when
Speaker 1: we talked about could you get a scenario where they
Speaker 1: were all gone? I always had like generally the worst
Speaker 1: case scenario I got to was the only one left
Speaker 1: was Green. Yeah, And that made me a little and
Speaker 1: that made me a little like ah, because I don't
Speaker 1: know how well they feel about his knee, So that
Speaker 1: was the one that I could. But I mean, with
Speaker 1: Green gone, it's like, wow, you don't even have that
Speaker 1: as an option. Now. Did they know this was going
Speaker 1: to happen? Though? That's my thing because the Tyler Smith
Speaker 1: has been telegraphed for a long time, So did they
Speaker 1: have an idea that they could be wiped out of
Speaker 1: the names that we've been talking about for so long?
Speaker 1: I mean, shout out to melt Keiper who had that
Speaker 1: as his pick. In like January. I think, I mean
Speaker 1: we did it. We did. Like we touched on him
Speaker 1: on the Draft show early on. Who is he? He
Speaker 1: guard tackle out of Tulsa, played played tackle at Tulsa
Speaker 1: translates to guard in the prosum And what the reason
Speaker 1: I bring it up? He's like, it must have been
Speaker 1: January or February. Kiper mocked him and we got inundated
Speaker 1: with questions about him because they were like, who is
Speaker 1: this dude that mel Kiper thinks we're gonna take um?
Speaker 1: I brought us. You have a second round grade on him?
Speaker 1: I mean, Brian, you read your scouting report because you
Speaker 1: take notes on all these guys. Yeah. I was trying
Speaker 1: to get there right. He's a local kid. Time a
Speaker 1: little more time for fort Worth. Uh? He born and
Speaker 1: raised in Fort Worth. He was North Crowley High alum. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean he's from around here. He was a Dallas
Speaker 1: Day participant. They had him in here when they did
Speaker 1: their Dallas Day. Ye, so maybe we would have been
Speaker 1: tipped off if he was not a Dallasday guy. Maybe
Speaker 1: would have been tipped off if they would have had
Speaker 1: him in for thirty does it? Yeah, he's he's Scotsman
Speaker 1: Press that way, he's six five, he's three twenty four.
Speaker 1: I think, to me, it's more he tries to bully
Speaker 1: the defender instead of working his feet in his hands together,
Speaker 1: because you tend to see him get called for holding
Speaker 1: penalis and stuff like that. He's more of a catcher
Speaker 1: than a strike or a punch. He kind of lets
Speaker 1: the defender get close and then he grabs and throws
Speaker 1: him to the ground. And the two games I studied
Speaker 1: was Ohio State. Okay, he had three holding calls against him,
Speaker 1: and you just got rid of a guard that has
Speaker 1: holding calls against him. But this guy is much much bigger.
Speaker 1: He's gonna come off the ball with good initial quickness.
Speaker 1: He tends to wait for the defender to kind of
Speaker 1: get to him, and then he'll, like could say, he'll
Speaker 1: try and he'll work that guy wide and push him
Speaker 1: past the quarterback. But I mean, this is a This
Speaker 1: is guys could get some move in the running game
Speaker 1: because he's a big man and he's got some power
Speaker 1: to him. So play off of your penalties. Sixteen combined
Speaker 1: penalties in twenty twenty one, twelve of those were holding calls.
Speaker 1: Good thing the Cowboys didn't have a problem with that
Speaker 1: last year. By the way, this has to be quarterback here, right,
Speaker 1: This is will the first quarterback. There's another team that
Speaker 1: sits there and just lets the board come to them
Speaker 1: and they just get players Willis. Willis was the guy
Speaker 1: who was most strongly linked to them during this process.
Speaker 1: Port Kenny Pickett, who didn't I wouldn't wouldn't have to move.
Speaker 1: He's got a walker already. Harris, who let's see who
Speaker 1: JAREMYA had them taking. How did you guys have as
Speaker 1: your top quarterback? Pick it for me? Pick it Corral.
Speaker 1: I mean it's funny because, like I don't think in
Speaker 1: terms of being able to play right now, I would
Speaker 1: not pick Willis, But in terms of upside, I absolutely
Speaker 1: would like He's probably the one I would be most
Speaker 1: intrigued to draft but not play. In twenty twenty two,
Speaker 1: Rager mocked Willis, Danberg learned Daniels Jeremiah mocked to pick
Speaker 1: it here. This has to be quarterback with the Pittsburgh
Speaker 1: Steelers in the clock at twenty then New England at
Speaker 1: twenty one. I could be the linebacker right there. I
Speaker 1: want Tomlin. I want Tomlin to do like real Pittsburgh
Speaker 1: stuff and just take Lloyd or Dean like, screw you, guys,
Speaker 1: We'll make it work. We're gonna win every game thirteen
Speaker 1: to ten. Got Miles Jack here, got T J. Watt,
Speaker 1: got Cameron Hayward, Packers and the make of Fitzpatrick. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're just gonna win every game seventeen thirteen. Then the
Speaker 1: Packers at twenty two, Baltimore at twenty three, Cowboys at
Speaker 1: twenty four. As the pick is getting ready to come
Speaker 1: up here to the podium, let's see if this is
Speaker 1: the first quarterback taken of the twenty twenty two draft
Speaker 1: with Roger Goodell? Is that is that Franco joined by
Speaker 1: Lowell Frank, I think he does it. I think he
Speaker 1: does it every year for these guys. Okay, here we go.
Speaker 1: Franco season marks of one of the most memorable moments
Speaker 1: in NFL history incomplete. During the final seconds of the
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy two AFC Divisional Game, Franco Harris made an
Speaker 1: improbable catch known as the Immaculate Reception. He here with
Speaker 1: us tonight to celebrate the fiftieth anniversary of that moment
Speaker 1: and to announce the pick for the Pittsburgh Steelers. Please
Speaker 1: welcome Pro Football Hall of Famer Franko. Hairs. I can't
Speaker 1: wait to hear what this reaction wasn't seeing the name here? Okay,
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, hello, it's big it this is graz
Speaker 1: I love this. I love home. Okay, with the twentieth
Speaker 1: pick in the twenty twenty two NFL Draft, the Pittsburgh Chillers.
Speaker 1: So look, Kenny pick willis no pressure, kid, It's just
Speaker 1: your hometown expecting you to be the quarterback of the future.
Speaker 1: Kenny pick It, the first quarterback at number twenty to
Speaker 1: the Pittsburgh Steelers. We are getting closer. The Patriots are
Speaker 1: on the clock and the Cowboys are coming up at
Speaker 1: twenty four. This is the twenty twenty two NFL Draft.
Speaker 1: On one oh five to be the fan in the
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys Radio Network. Kenny pick It, Yes, he can
Speaker 1: boy those hands cold Weather City. Oh good point. That's
Speaker 1: ballas the class. But they figured out, they figured out
Speaker 1: he could play. But like you said, this guy is
Speaker 1: like I say when you watch him play, He's got
Speaker 1: the two gloves like Teddy Bridgewater plays with, you know,
Speaker 1: and the mobility and the awareness in the pocket, the
Speaker 1: athletic ability he's got. Feel he could see the rush.
Speaker 1: He can move where he gives himself the best chance
Speaker 1: to deliver the ball. He never appears to be throwing
Speaker 1: the ball with his feet set, which is kind of funny.
Speaker 1: He kind of dances around a little bit in the pocket,
Speaker 1: but his arm strength allows him to get away with it.
Speaker 1: I think this guy can make all the throws easily,
Speaker 1: and I also see a guy that shows no fear
Speaker 1: when it comes to delivering the ball. He's my only
Speaker 1: first round quarterback that I had, so I like him
Speaker 1: a lot more than I guess others in this room.
Speaker 1: I mean, but there's times when you see him throw
Speaker 1: across his body or throwing the middle of the field,
Speaker 1: but the vision and he sees how the defense is
Speaker 1: playing him to find the open man. His eyes always
Speaker 1: appear up and down the field. So I really like
Speaker 1: this guy how he can avoid and spin out of
Speaker 1: trouble when he needs to do that. This is a
Speaker 1: guy who really Lee rose, not during the draft process,
Speaker 1: but really rose from twenty twenty to twenty twenty one.
Speaker 1: This is a guy that like talking to people around
Speaker 1: the NFL like he was not on the radar as
Speaker 1: a first round pick. Not quite the same degree as Burrow,
Speaker 1: but like a similar situation. Yeah, Like you talk to
Speaker 1: anybody before this past season, they were like different guy
Speaker 1: came in played this season, was a different guy than
Speaker 1: people had seen on tape. And so I mean this
Speaker 1: is somebody who really genuinely like made the most of
Speaker 1: his senior season here and really rose up. Now. I
Speaker 1: want to put it on the record as well, along
Speaker 1: with broad Us in talking about if there was a
Speaker 1: first round quarterback, this would have been the guy for me.
Speaker 1: And you look at the situation that he's going into there,
Speaker 1: it's a completely new wide receiver room that he's gonna
Speaker 1: have to deal with. Of course, no Juju Smith Schuster anymore.
Speaker 1: They do have Chase Claypool. He has some targets to
Speaker 1: throw the football too. But I still think this system
Speaker 1: in that town, of course, that he's very much so
Speaker 1: accustomed to, I think he's gonna have some success even
Speaker 1: in the early parts of his career. Yeah, there's gonna
Speaker 1: be at a learning curve. But it's a different type
Speaker 1: of learning curve because he's going to see playing time
Speaker 1: pretty much immediately. He won't have to sit behind well
Speaker 1: he was starter and move forward. They got the bridge
Speaker 1: in Trubisky. We don't forget about Trusty. So Trubisky will
Speaker 1: play there first and then pick Itt can sit there.
Speaker 1: And Chill brought us who did your name? Is? The
Speaker 1: aggressive teams? I said, the Saints? Who else did you name?
Speaker 1: I think Kansas City coming from the bottom of the
Speaker 1: board too, and the Kansas City Chiefs all right, yeah,
Speaker 1: New England has traded back, So who are they coming
Speaker 1: up for? Because I mean they needed a receiver, but
Speaker 1: what receivers are left? They could be getting George Karloft
Speaker 1: this year too. So Albert Brier had a note in
Speaker 1: his thing today that He's and Arizona traded out of
Speaker 1: the first round. He said Arizona was trying to trade back,
Speaker 1: and if they traded back, he said he thought there
Speaker 1: was a chance that karloftas fell completely out of the
Speaker 1: first round because Arizona was the only place that he
Speaker 1: might go. I saw that too, and said he's heard
Speaker 1: that like some teams around the league have karloftis as
Speaker 1: a fourth rounder, Oh wow, which I think is nuts
Speaker 1: to me. There's people, there's people that will argue that
Speaker 1: he is maybe he is what he is, which is well,
Speaker 1: just like you know, like it was like a good
Speaker 1: steady player that can't there's no what is it, Dave.
Speaker 1: He ain't twitchy, he doesn't have a high ceiling like,
Speaker 1: he ain't gonna blossom into a double digit solid Yeah, yeah, solid,
Speaker 1: the very dependable player. He's been playing football since he
Speaker 1: was like fifteen, that's when he started playing football. I
Speaker 1: just think it's od that people go always hit the ceiling.
Speaker 1: You don't want to started playing football five years ago.
Speaker 1: He doesn't have the athletic traits. Could be right? Could
Speaker 1: this be for George Pickens. They always kind of like
Speaker 1: they liked those those Georgia players from receiver. Right here
Speaker 1: we go, Kansas City on the clock, coming back to
Speaker 1: the radio side. We got more movement. Vegas set the
Speaker 1: over under drafts in the first round at three and
Speaker 1: a half. The Kansas City Chiefs have Jess moved up. Now.
Speaker 1: A lot of the talk was gonna be replacing Tyree Hill. Yeah,
Speaker 1: making sure Pat Mahomes has weapons. Cowboys are at twenty four.
Speaker 1: Kansas City. Brian brought us on the clock right now
Speaker 1: at twenty one. Yeah, this New England moves back. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and again this is everybody was kind of talking about
Speaker 1: Green Bay needing receivers. There's another team. Everybody's talking green Bay,
Speaker 1: Green Bay. You know, if you look at and again
Speaker 1: landon Zerline, I'm talking to him again or about him.
Speaker 1: He had Kansas City trading ahead of Dallas for Chris
Speaker 1: a Lobby coming down the board. This was a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks ago on his mock draft. So now everybody,
Speaker 1: it looks like the next receiver could be at Green
Speaker 1: Bay if in fact, you know, because they were talking
Speaker 1: about a guy. They were talking about Pickens with me
Speaker 1: at twenty eight. Pickens is who. Yeah, he's from from Georgia,
Speaker 1: from Georgia. Receiver from Georgia. So we will see, I mean,
Speaker 1: and now maybe Green Bay's focusing now on Jermaine Johnson,
Speaker 1: the edge rusher from Florida State was another guy that
Speaker 1: I'd kind of heard about. Here we go, let's see
Speaker 1: who Casey moved up for. Patriots have traded the twenty
Speaker 1: first pick took the Candy City Chief Red. The twenty
Speaker 1: first pick is a twenty twenty two NFL drag. The
Speaker 1: Kansas City Chiefs like Trent McDuffie, a cornerback, good player,
Speaker 1: good pick. Dave Hellman, I love the pick and I'm
Speaker 1: as a as a fellow short king I have. I
Speaker 1: have a lot of sympathy for guys that get overlooked.
Speaker 1: Only he's a damn good player and he happens to
Speaker 1: be five ten with shorter arms. That's that's really all
Speaker 1: there is to it, in my opinion. NFL teams uh
Speaker 1: that I talked to said like, if you need a
Speaker 1: plug and play like cornerback starter, get McDuffie. Like McDuffie
Speaker 1: is the the guy that will come in and immediately
Speaker 1: be a difference maker for you. Everything I've heard about him,
Speaker 1: he is a football fiend, like like he's grown up
Speaker 1: in a football family and just that's what he eats,
Speaker 1: sleeps and breeds and so he's Uh, the biggest thing
Speaker 1: is just his arms are like twenty eight inches. Let's
Speaker 1: let's set this up. You've got something real quick though.
Speaker 1: I Mean, there's people that think that maybe Kyler Gordon,
Speaker 1: the other corner at Washington, was a better player. There
Speaker 1: are teams that have Gordon above McGuffey. Yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: let's set this up. Now, we're a few picks away.
Speaker 1: Cowboys are at twenty four. Green Bays on the clock
Speaker 1: right now at twenty two than the Baltimore Ravens at
Speaker 1: twenty three, who was jumping out on y'all's board. Now
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys, I wish that I'd spent more time
Speaker 1: thinking about Jermaine Johnson, because I just wrote that off
Speaker 1: as a possibility a long time ago. And I don't
Speaker 1: like the defensive end out of Florida State transferred from Georgia,
Speaker 1: so again another piece of that disgusting Georgia defense had
Speaker 1: a really at a solid season for a bad FSU team,
Speaker 1: kicked everybody's but at the Senior Bowl. He literally he
Speaker 1: So there's three practices at the Senior Bowl, he dominated
Speaker 1: for two days and was like, peace, I'm out. I
Speaker 1: don't need to do this anymore. He's like I put
Speaker 1: in my tape, I'm not staying for a third days.
Speaker 1: He also he banged up, isn't either, No, no, But
Speaker 1: like I know specifically, the Cowboys really impressed with him
Speaker 1: in Mobile. Yeah, I have no idea if they like
Speaker 1: him enough to take him over some of the names.
Speaker 1: I don't either. Clearly the rest of the league doesn't
Speaker 1: like him as much as we thought. Yeah, who else, Bobby?
Speaker 1: I mean, I think we're looking I think this is
Speaker 1: setting up for potentially Tyler Smith, the tackle from also that.
Speaker 1: But I mean, if you're looking at other names, Nakobe Dean,
Speaker 1: I don't know how much do they like, Dax Hill,
Speaker 1: the safety from Michigan. I still talk about Devin Lloyd
Speaker 1: though from Utah myself. If you tell me I can
Speaker 1: maybe get the next Michael Parsons at linebacker to pair
Speaker 1: with Michael Parsons. Who about that? So tell me a
Speaker 1: little bit more about that and his game? Yeah? No,
Speaker 1: I mean this guy's six threes, two hundred and thirty,
Speaker 1: like seven pounds and stuff like that. I mean he's
Speaker 1: a great finisher, he gets, he's an outstanding tackler. He
Speaker 1: could blitz. He tackles well in the open space. He
Speaker 1: probably covers better than Michael Parsons. You could watch him play.
Speaker 1: He gets in throwing lanes, he gets interceptions, he knocks
Speaker 1: balls down pass rush. Yeah yeah, it's seven sacks. So yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean the people talking about this, I don't know
Speaker 1: if I also do it, but me personally, if you're
Speaker 1: starting to talk about some of these other guys, Tyler Lindenbaum,
Speaker 1: I know I'm not gonna get now. I put him
Speaker 1: on the board where I would take him Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 1: probably don't agree with me on that at all. I
Speaker 1: don't think it's out of the question because you look
Speaker 1: at some of the guys they've had conversations with. They
Speaker 1: had Devin Lloyd in as a thirty visit. It's known
Speaker 1: that Kay Walker was here on a thirty visit. They
Speaker 1: met with Christian Harris at the combine. They've had opportunities
Speaker 1: with these top four, top five linebackers to have these conversations.
Speaker 1: I'm right there with you. I think Devin Lloyd is
Speaker 1: certainly a potential here. You've got Dean and Lloyd as
Speaker 1: the two linebackers that are possibilities, Linderbaum and Smith as
Speaker 1: offensive line, and then you've got Karloftis and Johnson. As
Speaker 1: we enter this twenty second time, I don't know what
Speaker 1: just happened, but there they cut to war room cam
Speaker 1: and somebody said something and Steven went big fist pump.
Speaker 1: So Stephen was happy about something. Well, keeping every team
Speaker 1: in the league is happy about every decision they make. Well,
Speaker 1: but I don't, But I mean I think they must.
Speaker 1: I don't know if they know green base pick here
Speaker 1: or Baltimore's, but I think they're happy about who of
Speaker 1: her because the picks in the NFL world are in
Speaker 1: they like it hasn't been announced. I'm not Dallas's pick,
Speaker 1: but like that, I mean they could be. We could
Speaker 1: be as many as like a pick. Here's a war
Speaker 1: room camera behind. I want to see. I want to
Speaker 1: see who Green Bay picks here and if we can
Speaker 1: figure anything from that. With the fist pump, were you
Speaker 1: guys thinking about, well, here comes Roger Goodell at the
Speaker 1: podium with the Packers selection. As we get closer with
Speaker 1: the Cowboys at twenty four In the twenty two NFL Draft,
Speaker 1: the Green Bay Packers great Walker Georgia. So no offensive
Speaker 1: player again for mister Rogers, first linebacker off the board.
Speaker 1: That's it's funny, you we We've talked about that with
Speaker 1: a few guys, but quay Walker was like a fringe
Speaker 1: name for most of this cycle, and within the last
Speaker 1: two weeks exploded. He just had this surge where everybody
Speaker 1: was like, oh, yeah, he'll probably be the first linebacker taken.
Speaker 1: So him a lot across the way too. So but
Speaker 1: if we see a fist pump, there's that any indication
Speaker 1: of oh, they took a linebacker, but it wasn't ours
Speaker 1: or I think it could be just took a player
Speaker 1: that you know, they weren't looking at linebacker. Uh, go ahead, Dave,
Speaker 1: I just what's up. We just had a trade. Baltimore
Speaker 1: went back, Buffalo leap frog Dallas. What does Buffalo think
Speaker 1: Dallas needs? So it's a good question. So Buffalo is
Speaker 1: on the clock at twenty three. Yeah, yeah, they just
Speaker 1: flipped Baltimore went back. That's that's the pick. That's the
Speaker 1: pick they took from Arizona. I love Hollywood Brown. Can
Speaker 1: I just gush about the Ravens for one more time,
Speaker 1: Like we gave them crap because they missed Jordan Davis.
Speaker 1: And what do they wind up doing? Drafting Kyle Hamilton
Speaker 1: at fourteen? They traded Hollywood for a first? Did they
Speaker 1: Did they get a first? No, they got like pick
Speaker 1: one hundred for him. I thought it was pick one
Speaker 1: hundred in Hollywood for twenty three. Yeah yeah, yeah, oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, I'm you're right. I'm sorry. Yeah, they got
Speaker 1: a first for Hollywood and then turned this into whatever it's.
Speaker 1: It's so they've probably added a ton of capital on
Speaker 1: top of already having Kyle Hamilton. Bills go twenty five
Speaker 1: and one thirty for twenty three. But I'm gonna use
Speaker 1: the war room cam to cheat here a little bit.
Speaker 1: I didn't see the fist pumping question from Bobby Belt,
Speaker 1: but that that tells me I don't have to hold
Speaker 1: my breath here that they that they think Buffalo is
Speaker 1: going to steal someone from them, because yeah, because that
Speaker 1: could have been news that they got. The Buffalo went
Speaker 1: up and they were like, oh, we feel better knowing
Speaker 1: Baltimore's not picking in front of us. So what are
Speaker 1: we thinking now? Brian brought us. We got Steven on
Speaker 1: the phone. Maybe he's talking. Maybe, I don't know. That's
Speaker 1: the thing I'm kind of was anyone thinking about trading
Speaker 1: back in the last five minutes, I would think about it, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I would if somebody wanted to, if somebody
Speaker 1: called me, I would that there teams are moving, so
Speaker 1: he's are dealing. This is they're talking to a team
Speaker 1: because Steven's got his little pen out and it looks
Speaker 1: like he's telling Jerry would probably be on the phone
Speaker 1: with the player. I mean, you're sitting here right Jerry's
Speaker 1: nobody's celebrating. So this isn't a pick. This is definitely
Speaker 1: a conversation. We think they like Tyler Smith, but we
Speaker 1: don't think that he's just like our guy. He's not.
Speaker 1: They think about him in the second round. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's the thing that we keep talking about. I think
Speaker 1: a lot of the guys that went ahead of them
Speaker 1: they thought, well, no, that that's what we're talking I mean,
Speaker 1: I think that's what we're talking about right now, is
Speaker 1: maybe that they feel like that, you know, hey, if
Speaker 1: we grabbed this guy, I mean, if we can move
Speaker 1: down a little bit further and pick something else up,
Speaker 1: it might soften the blow a little bit. All right,
Speaker 1: Let's let's think about some scenarios and let's get out
Speaker 1: of here real quick to come back and make sure
Speaker 1: we don't miss anything. The Bills are on the clock.
Speaker 1: Then the Cowboys are up next. Don't go anywhere. It's
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty two NFL Draft on one oh five
Speaker 1: to the fan and the Dallas Cowboys Radio Network. All right, y'all,
Speaker 1: let's brainstorm. What are you looking at, Dave? What are
Speaker 1: you thinking? I mean, if I don't think they like
Speaker 1: any of the guys that I've gone on my board,
Speaker 1: who's trying to come up? If they were, well, somebody
Speaker 1: that wants a linebacker. That's what I'm thinking. Maybe, like
Speaker 1: if maybe, if somebody loves Devin Lloyd or Rush, there's
Speaker 1: two of them right there. Okay, so right now Buffalo
Speaker 1: is on the clock to answer your question, Sean, Like,
Speaker 1: I don't even remember what I asked. Well, I mean,
Speaker 1: if they could jump back somewhere between like two and
Speaker 1: six spots. It doesn't even we did this in our
Speaker 1: mock on Tuesday, Like, you're not gonna get crazy good compensation.
Speaker 1: What did we add in that trade? We added We
Speaker 1: added a fourth and a sixth. But I think, like
Speaker 1: this is just to take your pick among guys that
Speaker 1: you probably don't love. At least that's how I feel
Speaker 1: about it. I think they if they took Tyler Smith,
Speaker 1: if they took to Kobe Dean, I think they like
Speaker 1: those players. Is that their dream scenario when they head
Speaker 1: into the state. No, it wasn't. But I mean, I
Speaker 1: think they'd be happy with coming out of here with
Speaker 1: those players and not having to give up capital. No,
Speaker 1: but I'm saying, but you can gain capital and chios. Lay,
Speaker 1: Can I ask a question, then, do you feel like
Speaker 1: they're wiped out? Yeah? From the guys, they really coveted.
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, this is why you would take it
Speaker 1: to them, they would take I mean yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: they know they visited Lloyd. Yeah that's what I'm seeing.
Speaker 1: I mean, I love the player myself, and I love
Speaker 1: Linderbomba guys like that. But they don't. They don't. They're
Speaker 1: not seeing this like I am. I wonder, well, I
Speaker 1: wonder if this is and I don't. I don't know
Speaker 1: how they feel about Lloyd one hundred percent, but I
Speaker 1: wonder if this is a situation where they like Lloyd.
Speaker 1: Maybe Lloyd's even the best grade on their board. But
Speaker 1: it's the classic like need verse best player, Like do
Speaker 1: you need to draft another linebacker after you just got
Speaker 1: Micah or tend to something that needs it a little
Speaker 1: bit more Based upon y'all's boards and excitement level, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm rooting for a move back. I'm rooting would I
Speaker 1: would get a lot more excited about the pick if
Speaker 1: if they jumped back, If they move back to thirty
Speaker 1: and then they picked Tyler Smith, I feel much better.
Speaker 1: There's nobody there's nobody on the YO. There's nobody on
Speaker 1: the board right now where I'm just like, he's got
Speaker 1: to get there. He's got to get there. Cowboys are
Speaker 1: on the clock because the pick is in for Buffalo, okay.
Speaker 1: And we were judging by Stephen on the phone that
Speaker 1: he was probably talking to a team and it was
Speaker 1: Jerry on the phone. If we go to the war
Speaker 1: room cam and Jerry's on there along with McCarthy, we
Speaker 1: usually try to find a position coach that leads us
Speaker 1: there we go, Stephen's still on the phone. They're talking
Speaker 1: to a team. It is it's trade offers coming in.
Speaker 1: We don't know who the teams are right now, but
Speaker 1: they are definitely talking to somebody. I mean, I wish
Speaker 1: I had more information. No position coach in the room.
Speaker 1: Jerry's listening, so this is this has to be Stephen
Speaker 1: laughing at something. They're they're talking about a team. So
Speaker 1: that's what we're standing right now. Any idea who does
Speaker 1: will have that dialing hand ready though if they can't move,
Speaker 1: because usually Chris Hall at the bottom right of the
Speaker 1: of the thing, Chris Hall will get the player on
Speaker 1: the phone and he hasn't moved. You see. If there's
Speaker 1: a gentleman with the glong hair in the glasses beard
Speaker 1: and so yeah, they're joking a little bit there joking
Speaker 1: with someone, So that doesn't seem like a serious trade negotiation. Well,
Speaker 1: all these guys, especially in the boys case, where your
Speaker 1: GM stays the same, like they've been dealing with these
Speaker 1: people for years. I mean they're buddies by now. Any idea.
Speaker 1: McCarthy doesn't look really comfortable right now though to me languages,
Speaker 1: Well he's pointing. It's point at will. Hey, any idea
Speaker 1: who Buffalo is gonna take? I don't know who they
Speaker 1: thought they needed to come up ahead of down It
Speaker 1: is right here. I guess would be a linebacker. Let's
Speaker 1: go to the podium. Ravens have traded the twenty third
Speaker 1: pick to the Buffalo Bill. With the twenty third pick
Speaker 1: in the twenty twenty two NFL Drags, the Buffalo Bill
Speaker 1: select h quarter from Florida. That's a Florida good player.
Speaker 1: He really good player. I loved Kayer Elam tell us
Speaker 1: about him, kay me. I mean, like, that's a dude
Speaker 1: who like he gets to the ball. He will always
Speaker 1: get his hand on the ball. He is a really
Speaker 1: really good athlete. I mean he's somebody that like, I
Speaker 1: love him, I think, And he's a I think broadest.
Speaker 1: Didn't you sign his dad. Yeah, I was here with
Speaker 1: his dad. Yeah. Yeah, because his dad's Abram Elam. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the old Cowboys safety Yeah he. I'll tell you what
Speaker 1: this kid's he is a He is a press corner
Speaker 1: with every senate sense of the word. He'll get up
Speaker 1: on you. He's not going to give you much space.
Speaker 1: He could run with you. He's physical, really nice tackler
Speaker 1: as well. All right, So kier Elam goes to the
Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills, and for the time being, the Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 1: are on the clock, followed by the Baltimore Ravens, who
Speaker 1: have been very active this round. The Tennessee Titans pulling
Speaker 1: off a huge deal as well. Let's get ready to
Speaker 1: rejoin the radio side. All right, guys, your Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 1: are officially on the clock right now. Sean treef joined
Speaker 1: by Cowboys insider Bobby belt Our, lead scout Brian Brouns.
Speaker 1: We've got Kyle Yeoman's and David Hellman from Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 1: dot Com. We are a ford center at the Star.
Speaker 1: A cornerback just went off the board, Cayer Elam to
Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills, and now we have the Cowboys sitting here.
Speaker 1: We've been monitoring their war room camera. It looked like
Speaker 1: Stephen Jones was on the phone. We were guessing it
Speaker 1: wasn't with a player. You would have Jerry on with
Speaker 1: the player, then Mike McCarthy, then a position coach in
Speaker 1: the room. So my guess is they're trying to work
Speaker 1: out a deal and no one's on the phone right now, guys,
Speaker 1: is a deal done? That makes me think they made
Speaker 1: a trade. I think they trade it back with like
Speaker 1: again Chris Hall in the bottom right of the phone
Speaker 1: when they pick up picking up the phone again. So
Speaker 1: they're trying to take this five minutes to execute. Okay, well,
Speaker 1: Will's about Okay, Will and Chris with the two you
Speaker 1: need to watch and yeah, what Will's the phone calling.
Speaker 1: Will's the guy that talks to the player first, so
Speaker 1: he's the guy to watch. I'm hearing Tennessee is a
Speaker 1: potential trade back target. I don't know if that's who
Speaker 1: they're on the phone with now. And there's probably multiple
Speaker 1: teams in there, but I know the Titans that pick
Speaker 1: number twenty six could be one where they might be
Speaker 1: having some conversations. However, like I said, that's not that's
Speaker 1: probably one of multiple teams. Because we've seen Steven picked
Speaker 1: up the phone on multiple occasions. We'll put his hand
Speaker 1: on phone then took it off. Who's left on the
Speaker 1: board if they make the pick, I'll bet you five
Speaker 1: dollars it's Tyler. I think Tyler Smith would be the
Speaker 1: guy if they picked here, offensive lineman Tulsa and his
Speaker 1: position and potential a tackle that they would probably play
Speaker 1: at the at the left guard spot. He's with an
Speaker 1: eye on maybe moving him to tackle at some point
Speaker 1: in his career. Yeah, depending on how he's a Really
Speaker 1: he's a raw player, but he's big, he's powerful, He's
Speaker 1: a really good athlete. Anyone else not if they pick here.
Speaker 1: I mean to Kobe Dean, is there Devin Lloyd that
Speaker 1: he was a thirty visit? So, like I said, I
Speaker 1: wonder if this is I would love to see those grades,
Speaker 1: Like is Devin Lloyd a better player on their board?
Speaker 1: But they need an offensive lineman more. I mean, like
Speaker 1: I say, linder bamb Lloyd, Dean. I mean, those are
Speaker 1: the guys I had, but we always sort of figured
Speaker 1: that Linderbaum wasn't going to have Oh no. But I'm
Speaker 1: just saying I just wanted to go on record because
Speaker 1: I think there's some teams behind Dallas. I think Tampa
Speaker 1: Bay possibility, you know when you look at that as well.
Speaker 1: But I think that you know that he's a really
Speaker 1: he's a good player. I mean, he really, really is
Speaker 1: a good player. It's a shame that, you know, they
Speaker 1: look at the traits and stuff like that, but that's
Speaker 1: what they have their their measurables for and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: So good for them for that. It looks like Will's
Speaker 1: does he dland or is it just tapping his fingers?
Speaker 1: Is there a chance? I mean, would they stay in
Speaker 1: the first round for sure? Or is everyone gonna get
Speaker 1: up on the phone. Wow this I would guess this
Speaker 1: is Tyler Smith. Okay, so let's get ready for that man.
Speaker 1: Not a lot of Tyler Smith and the months and
Speaker 1: all the build up leading up to this, at least
Speaker 1: at one oh five three the fan, How about you guys,
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys? That com Jerry's on the phone. So this
Speaker 1: is a player? Yeah. We we mentioned this back in
Speaker 1: in Indianapolis. That was really where we first started hearing
Speaker 1: that they were or that he was on the Cowboys radar.
Speaker 1: Tyler Smith offensive tackle slash offensive guard at Tulsa, not
Speaker 1: the most ready made player in terms of tackle. However,
Speaker 1: you look at a guy that's a short term and
Speaker 1: Dave said it a minute ago, short term solid guard,
Speaker 1: and then you bump him out to tackle in a
Speaker 1: couple of years. I will say, like what, I talk
Speaker 1: about this all the time, like there are years where
Speaker 1: we know immediately Yeah, I mean we've we knew for
Speaker 1: a long time that Layton vander Esch was gonna wind
Speaker 1: up here. I do think we're later coming around on
Speaker 1: this one, like, yeah, we are, we are, shout out
Speaker 1: mel Kiper. Yeah, the draft godfather, he was. He had
Speaker 1: been on this one very very early. But I mean again,
Speaker 1: this one we kind of got a little They were
Speaker 1: a little sneaky with it too, because they could do
Speaker 1: the Dallas stay. We didn't have to hear about a
Speaker 1: thirty visit with Tyler Smith because he's from around here.
Speaker 1: They can you know, we didn't have to know about
Speaker 1: that interest. It's it's wild. I mean, look, it benefits
Speaker 1: the Cowboys. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it's
Speaker 1: a bad thing, but that is just a wild advantage.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you grew up or went to school
Speaker 1: within what like thirty sixty miles of DFW. It's a yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a weird like based on the they like literally
Speaker 1: used like an Atlas map. I think too, if you're
Speaker 1: from around here, you can come to the facility and
Speaker 1: it doesn't count toward the visit limit. How do you
Speaker 1: think the Green Bays of the world feel about Dallas
Speaker 1: being able to do that? So if this is the
Speaker 1: pick and looking at what teams moved up with, is
Speaker 1: there a big regret standing out for you guys with
Speaker 1: where someone went and what it would have cost or
Speaker 1: you found with them to stick it in here and
Speaker 1: addressing a need that everyone probably listed is the number
Speaker 1: one thing for this football team. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: you'd want to pick up some extra capital, but I
Speaker 1: mean as long as as if they believe in the player.
Speaker 1: But do you have a move up regret where someone
Speaker 1: went and what was given up for the price? I would,
Speaker 1: but if they fit and it's Kellen Moore on the phone,
Speaker 1: this is definitely offense. So I would feel I would
Speaker 1: have gone up for Penning. I would have gotten up nineteen.
Speaker 1: But I mean that that's me if they didn't think
Speaker 1: I'm just asking you, Yeah, no, if that's what I
Speaker 1: would have done, I would have gone up and gotten Penning.
Speaker 1: All right, here we go with the selection from Roger Goodell.
Speaker 1: In twenty twenty two NFL Draft, the Dallas Cowboys select
Speaker 1: Tyler Smith tackle. All Right, I love you guys piecing
Speaker 1: together and I was listening to this on the drive
Speaker 1: over here brought us. You were talking about it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you were talking about a rumor that was gaining steam
Speaker 1: with all the homework that you did, and then you
Speaker 1: guys pieced it together, which is why I love the
Speaker 1: love the show. To your point, Sean, like you were,
Speaker 1: you were talking about this, like maybe you listen too
Speaker 1: much to the stuff right before the draft. Sometimes it's right.
Speaker 1: Sometimes something kind of parachutes in on you and you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: this has legs. This is not this is not a smokescreen.
Speaker 1: And that's what happened here. So let me let me
Speaker 1: be the Cowboy fan reactor in here. All right. I'm
Speaker 1: guessing what Twitter is about to be, and you guys
Speaker 1: are the ones with the connections and you did the homework.
Speaker 1: There's gonna I think there's gonna be disappointment just because
Speaker 1: we're more comfortable here in names and ones that you
Speaker 1: guys have been projecting and ones that you guys have
Speaker 1: been excited about. So all of a sudden you get
Speaker 1: one out of the blue and you're like, huh when
Speaker 1: you've heard all the hype about Linderbaum and Penning in
Speaker 1: these guys. So I feel like, I feel like you
Speaker 1: guys are gonna have to if you feel good about it,
Speaker 1: make the Cowboy fans feel pretty good. This is where
Speaker 1: also too, I remember a draft where Travis Frederick I'll
Speaker 1: say the name right that time. Absolutely this was a
Speaker 1: dret where we thought Travis Frederick, we all have third
Speaker 1: round grades, laughed at it. Everybody's like, why why would
Speaker 1: you do this? This unathletic center from Wisconsin. He doesn't
Speaker 1: pick up his feet, he shuffles, he does all these things.
Speaker 1: There are people that will tell you in this building
Speaker 1: about Tyler Smith when you mentioned him, it's like, man,
Speaker 1: really good athlete. But this guy we've mentioned it. The
Speaker 1: holding penalies and stuff like that is there's going to
Speaker 1: be need to be some technique work here. There's going
Speaker 1: That's the first thing that people are going to do
Speaker 1: when they go back and the media ask questions, well,
Speaker 1: what about him and what about him? Know? What about
Speaker 1: these holding penalies. Didn't you just have a left are
Speaker 1: that had all these holding penalties. But this is a
Speaker 1: big man. He's six five, he's three hundred and twenty
Speaker 1: four pounds. He's extremely raw in the way that he
Speaker 1: plays right now, but he's a powerful guy in the
Speaker 1: running game. And so now I'm sere thinking, what's the
Speaker 1: problem the Cowboys have had. They've had issues trying to
Speaker 1: run the football, especially the second half of the season.
Speaker 1: This guy comes off the ball, he gets to his man,
Speaker 1: he gets some movement. You're going to have to work
Speaker 1: with him on some of the technique stuff that that
Speaker 1: is something that's going to have to happen. But you
Speaker 1: know what I mean to me, I had other guys
Speaker 1: on the board. But that's why I'm here and there there.
Speaker 1: We're all here and they're there. And I just harkened
Speaker 1: back to I wasn't a huge fan of Travis Frederick. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's my hope right now for the Dallas Cowboys. I'm
Speaker 1: right there with you. And even going back to comparing
Speaker 1: the two, I don't think any of us had a
Speaker 1: third round grade on Tyler Smith. We had him pretty
Speaker 1: much pegged in the second round most likely, like we
Speaker 1: talked about they had a second round grade on him
Speaker 1: as well, because they were wiped out of the fourteen
Speaker 1: to sixteen names they had in the first round. Sure,
Speaker 1: I would have liked to see a Tyler Linderbaum. I
Speaker 1: had him much higher on my board. Sure, I would
Speaker 1: have loved to see a trade up and maybe go
Speaker 1: get a Trevor Penning. However, you upgraded your offensive line here,
Speaker 1: whether it's at the guard spot, and you have a
Speaker 1: secondary option at tackle as well. If you needed him
Speaker 1: to kick out, Tyrann Smith hasn't played an entire season
Speaker 1: in god knows how long a half decade now, you
Speaker 1: may need him to bump out and show that flexibility
Speaker 1: on the offensive line. He can do that. My biggest
Speaker 1: knock against Tyler Smith is the penalties, and that's something
Speaker 1: that the Cowboys certainly struggled with in twenty twenty and
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one. They commit He committed sixteen penalties this
Speaker 1: past season, twelve of which we're holding calls. That has
Speaker 1: to clean up, and I think the foundation of it
Speaker 1: and the fundamental side of it is going to be
Speaker 1: one of the ways that he cleans that up. Early
Speaker 1: in his career, what did we say last year and
Speaker 1: it's a different player in a different part of the draft.
Speaker 1: What do we say last year about Michael Parsons, Well,
Speaker 1: it's trades, there's a lot of trades, but like what
Speaker 1: kind of a football players, there's a lot of elite
Speaker 1: traits here with Tyler Smith, and you know, there's gonna
Speaker 1: be a lot that you're gonna need to lean on
Speaker 1: Joe Philbin go out there develop this guy and to
Speaker 1: help him. And so, I mean, I think that that's
Speaker 1: going to be a big part of this is that
Speaker 1: you know, trusting your offensive line coach, that your coaches
Speaker 1: to help develop him. But the traits are there, and
Speaker 1: he's a very young player. He just turned twenty one
Speaker 1: three weeks ago, so he's young. What's your degree of
Speaker 1: confidence that he can win the left guard job as
Speaker 1: a rookie? I think it's pretty high at left guard specifically. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's the only available job right now. I know, I
Speaker 1: to be honest, backups, I think the situation is they
Speaker 1: probably don't think anything much of the guys that are
Speaker 1: competing with him, you know, yeah, or they wouldn't have
Speaker 1: made this pick. I mean, I honestly feel like that
Speaker 1: they got they lost Green. That was one that they
Speaker 1: were kind of thinking. They probably didn't think they were
Speaker 1: going to get Zion Johnson, but they lost Kenyon Green
Speaker 1: and so now sudden we talked about it and I
Speaker 1: ask you, guys, you know, what's what's the situation all along? Bobby,
Speaker 1: I mean all week we've taught about not all week,
Speaker 1: but the last three days. When you start to talk
Speaker 1: about Tyler Smith, it was what's going to happen to
Speaker 1: the board? What gets you to where you draft? And
Speaker 1: they liked him a heck of a lot better than
Speaker 1: you know, than me, I know, but like I said,
Speaker 1: that's a that's a big man. You know, he's a
Speaker 1: powerful run blocker. Kyle mentions the holding calls and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. You know, how much do they like, you know,
Speaker 1: Connor McGovern do. They don't like him enough to make
Speaker 1: him to put him back in there at guard and
Speaker 1: they let and they let Connor Williams walk, So they
Speaker 1: felt like they had to do something here. So they're
Speaker 1: going to give this guy every chance to be plug
Speaker 1: and play. I don't know if technique wise and he's
Speaker 1: ready for plug and play. That's just my questions right now.
Speaker 1: So do we think that if left guard is the
Speaker 1: spot for now? Do we think though that this is
Speaker 1: still just similar plan to like we talked about with
Speaker 1: Penning across some of these other guys. You're left guard
Speaker 1: now you're left tackle of the future. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Can you say that on draft night? I mean, that's
Speaker 1: the whole I mean, you would have said that about
Speaker 1: Trevor Penning. You would have said that about Try, that
Speaker 1: you were going to plug him in at guard and
Speaker 1: eventually groom him for tackle. Is that their plan here?
Speaker 1: I think they can be their hope. I think the
Speaker 1: fact that they saw him as a guard first tells
Speaker 1: you that might you know, we we you know, we've
Speaker 1: kind of kind of feel like that they're going to
Speaker 1: try if he works out a guard, I don't see
Speaker 1: him moving the same thing they did was Zach and Martin.
Speaker 1: That's the other thing too, is Zach Martin was a
Speaker 1: tackle at Notre Dame. In a world with best case scenarios,
Speaker 1: Let's just pretend for a sect that he becomes a
Speaker 1: total road grader. Do you move him? I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's a good run blocker, but again that's
Speaker 1: that hands inside, big body, mass power, push, you know,
Speaker 1: and that's fine. They don't. They need some They need
Speaker 1: some big bodies up front as far as getting some
Speaker 1: push in that running game. And Bobby mentioned this in
Speaker 1: the lead up into the night as well. But it
Speaker 1: also adds to your locker room. This is a mean,
Speaker 1: streak sort of player that plays with an edge. He
Speaker 1: plays with that that hefty side. That Hey, it could
Speaker 1: be something that the Cowboys were looking to improve from
Speaker 1: a generality standpoint. They did it last year with Michael Parsons.
Speaker 1: They went out and got a player that plays mean.
Speaker 1: They could have done it with Trevor Penning, but here
Speaker 1: they do it with Tyler Smith. The right up from
Speaker 1: McShay was he plays with a real edge, and uh,
Speaker 1: that's it, that's all I he was mocking into the Texas.
Speaker 1: So I don't want to read the Houston steps. You know,
Speaker 1: you want the Dane Brugler summary. Yeah, a three year starter.
Speaker 1: It tells that this is the summer, not the whole
Speaker 1: report of Smith lined up at left tackle. Uh. In
Speaker 1: Philip Montgomery's up temple smash my spread, he closed off.
Speaker 1: He says. Overall, Smith is incredibly rob but he has
Speaker 1: the play strength and physical strains to get significantly better
Speaker 1: with technical and mental development. All right, the Baltimore Ravens
Speaker 1: are on the clock. We're gonna get your newest cowboy,
Speaker 1: Tyler Smith. On first, we'll have the press conference with
Speaker 1: Jerry and the crew explaining the thought process. We continue
Speaker 1: to close out the first round. It's the twenty twenty
Speaker 1: two NFL Draft on one oh five through the fan
Speaker 1: in the Dallas Cowboys Radio Network. What type of social
Speaker 1: media reaction so far? David Helmet, Oh, negative, it's probably
Speaker 1: right up where you are anticipating. Yeah, well, I think
Speaker 1: it's an you know, unfamiliarity. Let's go to the Ravens
Speaker 1: with their pick real quick. This is karma for us
Speaker 1: making fun of the Ravens. My lord, is it really Lenderbaum?
Speaker 1: What do the Ravens do, Sean Kyle, They hang out,
Speaker 1: They let really good players fall to them. Shoot, they
Speaker 1: traded twice. They tried to get away from this guy,
Speaker 1: they still wound up with him. And who did they
Speaker 1: get earlier? Kyle Hamilton? Hamilton Hamilton. They traded Hollywood for
Speaker 1: first and they still have receivers um. And then they
Speaker 1: go and get their center to fall to them at
Speaker 1: number twenty five. They didn't have a quarterback either. Oh ooh,
Speaker 1: I like that hot take. I like the hot take
Speaker 1: I did. I did radio with Bobby a couple of
Speaker 1: weeks ago, and you dropped that on me. Oh I
Speaker 1: like that, Bobby. Uh So, the Titans are on the
Speaker 1: clock at twenties. The Ravens picked for the first time
Speaker 1: at pick number fourteen, and they took players number four
Speaker 1: and eleven on my board. Now, I'm I'm very much
Speaker 1: so higher on Linderbaum and Hamilton than most, but they
Speaker 1: at fourteen and twenty five took four and eleven off
Speaker 1: of the board. I'm gonna be honest with you, guys.
Speaker 1: I feel vindicated I had I had Tyler lindabamb is
Speaker 1: my tenth best player. Wow. And the fact that the
Speaker 1: Ravens took him. I'm exstatic, yes, because that is one
Speaker 1: of the better drafting teams in NFL right there. So
Speaker 1: lender Bomb goes and now Tennessee will be followed by
Speaker 1: the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and the Green Bay Packers. Are
Speaker 1: you guys? Are you guys like a little deflated right now?
Speaker 1: I'm not okay, no, no, no, no. I think we
Speaker 1: had kind of come to the realization this is where
Speaker 1: it was heading when Penning went off the board, I
Speaker 1: think you had a good understanding of Okay, this is
Speaker 1: where things more just came down to can they get
Speaker 1: an extra draft capital? Can they move back? I think
Speaker 1: they were maybe I don't know, if they just couldn't
Speaker 1: find a trade or they were more trying to check
Speaker 1: in and make sure you're not kind of like we're
Speaker 1: not gonna lose Tyler Smith if we go back. Yeah,
Speaker 1: which again, this is something I always talk about and
Speaker 1: I try to explain to people, is like people are understandable,
Speaker 1: like a lot of people like Tyler Linderbaum and I
Speaker 1: get it, he's a really good player, and they're like
Speaker 1: he was sitting right there. They never were going to
Speaker 1: do that. Hope they never were. No, No, we we
Speaker 1: some of that. Some of this stuff becomes easier to
Speaker 1: digest when you think of it that way, where you're like,
Speaker 1: I get it, you disagree, you came to terms with it,
Speaker 1: but you're they're just not going to do it again.
Speaker 1: And again that's my point is like how worked up
Speaker 1: am I supposed to get about something that is completely
Speaker 1: beyond my control just because of the measurables? Yeah, or
Speaker 1: or or they don't they don't think he fits what
Speaker 1: they like to do. But that's probably a little bit
Speaker 1: of both. I think, you know, when they can't tell
Speaker 1: about position flights, he said he's a center that Yeah, Kurt,
Speaker 1: Kurt ferrets is the is the head coach at Iowa.
Speaker 1: He used to be with the Ravens and stuff like
Speaker 1: that in Baltimore and stept before he was a head coach. Trade,
Speaker 1: so he's he knew he gave him the idea on this.
Speaker 1: The Jets traded into the first round. Yeah, just just
Speaker 1: came up. Titans gave that pick up. Tennessee doesn't want
Speaker 1: to sit still to night either. It feels like they're
Speaker 1: doing a ton of stuff. They trade a j Brown
Speaker 1: to the Eagles in case you're just joining us on
Speaker 1: the Cowboys dot com side, and then they go and
Speaker 1: draft his replacement in Trail and Burke's and now they
Speaker 1: are moving back with the New York Jets. So here
Speaker 1: we go with the with the Titans. What are you thinking?
Speaker 1: I just I gotta tweet from somebody here, and like,
Speaker 1: I just want to make this clear. Somebody had said, uh, oh,
Speaker 1: this is this is the offense talking about the pick here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And so I mean I don't know. Well, we'll dive
Speaker 1: into that later. I guess, get your get your Tyler
Speaker 1: Smith questions ready, he's on hold. So when we come
Speaker 1: back on the radio side, wonderful, get ready to fire
Speaker 1: off some questions. What are we gonna ask? Interest level?
Speaker 1: When did you know that's a good one? Yeah? When?
Speaker 1: What point in the process was the first communication? Hometown team? Yeah?
Speaker 1: How does it feel good? That's with the hometown team. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm just having you guys, get ready for your questions,
Speaker 1: pizza and get ready, get and get ready to get
Speaker 1: my caffee kick in. So the newest cowboy is gonna
Speaker 1: be joining us here momentarily. How do you summarize the
Speaker 1: first round so far? Guys? Predictable that's I mean, not
Speaker 1: not predictable, but more predictable than I anticipated. Maybe for
Speaker 1: you the names that have the names that have gone
Speaker 1: have been predictable. But everything that's happened has been wild, sure,
Speaker 1: because you weren't surprised in the in the first ten
Speaker 1: really at all. No. Some of these like trading receivers
Speaker 1: way A. J. Brown and Hollywood Brown like that, That's
Speaker 1: what I'm talking and the Saints trading up for a receiver, etc.
Speaker 1: And you can still have names out there like Deebo
Speaker 1: and Garoppolo and Baker Mayfield and some of these different guys.
Speaker 1: Did Jermaine Johnson's light is surprising? Yes? I agree? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I agreed. Okay, let's get ready to rejoin the radio,
Speaker 1: and then we'll have the newest Dallas Cowboy, Tyler Smith,
Speaker 1: on with us. All right, And part of being your
Speaker 1: Home of America's team is the access the Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 1: at number twenty four draft Tulsa offensive tackle Tyler Smith,
Speaker 1: and he's joining us right now. UM one oh five
Speaker 1: three the Fan and the Dallas Cowboys Radio Network. Hello, Tyler, Congratulations.
Speaker 1: How's it feel, man? It's a it's it's indescribable. Man.
Speaker 1: I can't even I can't even put it into words.
Speaker 1: Really paint the picture at your house. It sounds like
Speaker 1: it's a little bit of fun wherever you are, man.
Speaker 1: I mean, as soon as it happen, you know, everybody yelling,
Speaker 1: everybody screaming. You know, I'm in Pierce shock. I'm talking
Speaker 1: to mister Jones. I'm like, man, like you know you
Speaker 1: always got you almost gotta pinch yourself. It's like a
Speaker 1: dream like you're waking up into When did you start
Speaker 1: first getting the feeling that this could happen and the
Speaker 1: Cowboys were interested in you? Man, I'm to be honest,
Speaker 1: the only time I knew is I had a probably
Speaker 1: work out with them and like I heard good things,
Speaker 1: but like throughout the process, I just I really didn't
Speaker 1: know till the day. But you know, it's a blessing
Speaker 1: now playing for the hometown team. I mean, you grew
Speaker 1: up in Fort Worths, you played at North Crowley High School.
Speaker 1: What does it mean to you and your family to
Speaker 1: be able to play close to home and play for
Speaker 1: the franchise? Length to Cowboys? Man, I mean, it's indescribable. Man.
Speaker 1: You know I played college football Tussa, Oklahoma, and you know,
Speaker 1: the quire to be called home man, to play play
Speaker 1: for the great statement. There's the other thing I like
Speaker 1: you now you are a Cowboy fan. Though, let's clarify
Speaker 1: that right, you are a Cowboy fan? Yes, sir, all right,
Speaker 1: it's the right answer. Hey, Tyler, congratulations, man, I'm just curious,
Speaker 1: I mean from from the outsider's perspective, and we talk
Speaker 1: about your fit and and how you how you look
Speaker 1: at the NFL level, We assume that you would start
Speaker 1: out at guard if they talked to you about that,
Speaker 1: What's what's your kind of idea for what your role
Speaker 1: looks like at this level of football. Man, they haven't
Speaker 1: talked to me about it, but you know, all ready
Speaker 1: to play off opposition, do whatever I can help the
Speaker 1: team win. Man, that's my That's my only goal is
Speaker 1: contributing and making sure we get to that Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: It's like your home now, Tyler. Again, congratulations on getting
Speaker 1: picked by the hometown team. We talk about that there about. Like,
Speaker 1: have they talked to you about playing garter tackle? I
Speaker 1: know you played tackle pretty much exclusively at Tulsa, but
Speaker 1: you're actually a guard recruit coming out of high school.
Speaker 1: Where do you feel most comfortable playing? I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: almost comfortable playing wherever. Man, you know, I trained for
Speaker 1: it all. You know, I'm willing to put the work
Speaker 1: in and take the coach and to do whatever I
Speaker 1: gotta do. Like so that's kind of you know, that's
Speaker 1: my outlook. Or I could play anywhere they put me, Tyler.
Speaker 1: You know, as a Cowboy fan though, you're you gotta
Speaker 1: be familiar though with this offensive line right what you're
Speaker 1: about to be part of you understand, you're kind of
Speaker 1: getting the feeling like, hey, wait a minute, Tyren Smith
Speaker 1: and Zach Martin and those guys, you gotta be excited
Speaker 1: about being teammates with those guys. Now, I'm too excited.
Speaker 1: You know, I grew up watching those guys like, you know,
Speaker 1: from the NFL. Taught one hundred to just like break
Speaker 1: down videos of Tyren Smith and Zach Martin and all
Speaker 1: those guys. Like it's it's just crazy to me to
Speaker 1: be able to call my teammates, But they're gonna be
Speaker 1: a great source, you know, to learn from to you know,
Speaker 1: perfect my craft, and it's just it's a blessing of beer.
Speaker 1: Now for most Cowboys fans out there, this is the
Speaker 1: first time they're hearing you, and you're hearing your story.
Speaker 1: What do you feel like is your biggest strength as
Speaker 1: a player as you enter the NFL And what are
Speaker 1: some things that you feel like need to take the
Speaker 1: next step now that you're at the pro level. Man,
Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, one of my biggest trains,
Speaker 1: you know, I care a great chip on my shoulders.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm I'm athletically gifted, I'm physical. The effort
Speaker 1: is always gonna be out one hundred and twenty percent
Speaker 1: to affinity. But you know, I'm gonna go wherever and
Speaker 1: do whatever to win. And that's you know, that's my
Speaker 1: greatest strength. Obviously. You know I gotta get then, I
Speaker 1: gotta get the coaching, like you know, I'm gonna get
Speaker 1: coached up and continue to prove and every stats of
Speaker 1: my game. Like you know, I'm never satisfied, you know,
Speaker 1: all ready to do whatever it takes to get to
Speaker 1: the next level every day. Newest Cowboys offensive lineman Tyler
Speaker 1: Smith joining us. We heard that they were looking for
Speaker 1: a little more nastiness in the offseason, a little bit
Speaker 1: more edge. Can you provide that? Man? That's my motto,
Speaker 1: that's my m os so. I definitely got him on that.
Speaker 1: What's your nickname? What do they call you? What should
Speaker 1: we get used to man? Pete? I mean Pete. Most
Speaker 1: people call me t says like my social media handles
Speaker 1: and stuff, but they called me anything. I'm a man
Speaker 1: of the people. Guys, are you good to go? Ready
Speaker 1: to go? Congratulations Tyler? Happy to have you on board, man.
Speaker 1: I appreciate him now. I'm truly blessed to be here. Man,
Speaker 1: it's an honor. What you can't say that out enough?
Speaker 1: What's your cell phone looking like right now? Man? It's
Speaker 1: still it's deep and now as we talk, man, you know,
Speaker 1: I got y'all at one here notifications of the other man,
Speaker 1: but it's still blessing it. Hey man, congratulations, we're really
Speaker 1: really happy for you. Good to see the hometown kid
Speaker 1: join America's team and we'll see in person soon. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for having me. Thank you. He's excited, Wow,
Speaker 1: as he should be. Awesome. Congratulations to him. If that
Speaker 1: was excitement, I wonder what the secret audio sounds like here.
Speaker 1: It is, Yes, sir, you get to Dallas from Tulsa.
Speaker 1: I absolutely again, I'm already hearing for words. Sir, you're
Speaker 1: in fault Worth. Well, this is Jerry Jones and we're
Speaker 1: fixing to turn your card in and as of this moment,
Speaker 1: you're a Dallas cowboy. Thank you, sir. It's honor. Well,
Speaker 1: you've sure impressed a lot of guys in this room,
Speaker 1: your coaches to be and uh, I want you to
Speaker 1: know something. You beat out two or three really good
Speaker 1: players here that we had an opportunity to take over you.
Speaker 1: So you give yourself some victory. For the day. You've
Speaker 1: brought me some pretty good guys out for get picked here.
Speaker 1: So seriously, we're proud to have you and proud to
Speaker 1: be picking him. I appreciate it, coase, you're gonna get everything.
Speaker 1: I promise you that. Now, then I want you to
Speaker 1: say hello to our coach, Mike McCarthy. Hey, Tyler, congratulations,
Speaker 1: Hey are you? Are you with your family right now? Yes? Sir?
Speaker 1: All right? Well, hey, enjoyed this moment. This is special
Speaker 1: moment in your life. And I can't tell you how
Speaker 1: thrilled we are as an organization and as a coaching staff,
Speaker 1: and I know our team has so fired up to
Speaker 1: add you to our lock room. So congratulations, enjoy the moment.
Speaker 1: Thank you, coach, Thank you. All right. There's Kellen Moore,
Speaker 1: our offensive corder. How are you doing, coach more? Tyler?
Speaker 1: What's up? Man? This is Kellen. We are fired up
Speaker 1: to have you, man, this is gonna be awesome. How
Speaker 1: fired up to beer? Because I promise you're gonna get
Speaker 1: everything I got to do. You're gonna so much fun here.
Speaker 1: You're gonna be a perfect, great group. I'm gonna do
Speaker 1: something special. Yes, enjoy it. Half fun man, Absolutely, Thank
Speaker 1: you for bringing me home. Alrightey, I love it. See
Speaker 1: a man. That's awesome. So there's the secret audio draft
Speaker 1: call with Newis Cowboy Tyler Smith. Yeah. I love the
Speaker 1: way that you know, the passion and the fire and
Speaker 1: wanting to get the job done and stuff, and the
Speaker 1: fact he's a Cowboy fan. I think that's great. I
Speaker 1: think it's interesting that Jerry Jones just told you that
Speaker 1: there were some guys that they had above him or
Speaker 1: near him that And I'm interested, And I know David
Speaker 1: Hellman tonight he is going to ask Jerry Jones that question.
Speaker 1: When you were on the phone with Tyler, you said
Speaker 1: some players you know you talk about and these players
Speaker 1: he probably won't tell you. But that's why I think
Speaker 1: why things got held up a little bit. You know,
Speaker 1: Stephen and those guys. Maybe they were trying to move
Speaker 1: the pick. You know, maybe they had a pocket of
Speaker 1: guys that they were kind of kind of and they
Speaker 1: maybe they didn't get the pick they wanted out of that.
Speaker 1: I think they were worried if they traded back that
Speaker 1: he would go he would get like that's who somebody
Speaker 1: was trying to come get. Yeah, So Tennessee bailed out
Speaker 1: of their pick to the Jets, and there was another
Speaker 1: Jermade Johnson. So Jackson goes on the clock. There was
Speaker 1: Tyler Smith had been connected to Tennessee, and so I
Speaker 1: wonder if that was their concern about going back and
Speaker 1: and when Tyler Smith went, maybe that's why Tennessee went back.
Speaker 1: I think that is very likely what happened. Yea. And
Speaker 1: it reminds me was it last year? Uh oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: I'm drawn a blank. Like remember in the third round,
Speaker 1: like they made a pick and then like your three
Speaker 1: favorite players went off the board right after the thing. Yep.
Speaker 1: And that's I mean, you look at Tyler Linderbaum and
Speaker 1: Jermaine Johnson. I mean, that's what fans are going to
Speaker 1: have their eye on when they look at this pick
Speaker 1: from years from now. But to your point, Brough, I
Speaker 1: mean grades are a lie. Like they're not a lie
Speaker 1: in the sense that they exist, but this team will
Speaker 1: manipulate them to get what they want. I think it right,
Speaker 1: they do, Yeah, regularly. I think the pick that you're
Speaker 1: you're referencing was was nashun right at ninety nine and
Speaker 1: then it went Elijah Molden. I couldn't remember Thomas like
Speaker 1: like literally Brian's best of board went from three to none,
Speaker 1: like right after that pick was made. Yeah, look, let's
Speaker 1: let's just be honest about it. In terms of the
Speaker 1: analysis and the projections and the reaction, they knew the
Speaker 1: player a lot better than we do. Of course, people
Speaker 1: people that's and again we get it. We can influence
Speaker 1: and I think this sometimes we have the draft shows
Speaker 1: we do. Let's get real quick, then we'll go get
Speaker 1: back to you and Walker. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers have
Speaker 1: traded the twenty six, twenty seventh pick to the Jacksonville Jaguars.
Speaker 1: We're the twenty seventh pick in the twenty twenty two
Speaker 1: NFL Draft. The Jacksonville Jaguars select Devin Lloyd, linebacker Utah.
Speaker 1: So there you go with Devin Lloyd, who some people
Speaker 1: were thinking New England was gonna select. What were you
Speaker 1: about to say, brought us? Well, I was. He was
Speaker 1: my seventh best player on my board. So congratulations my
Speaker 1: guy down there, Doug Peterson and twenty seven. Yeah, what
Speaker 1: he was able to do. This guy's gonna be a
Speaker 1: hell of a football player. I really do believe that. Um,
Speaker 1: But I will say this though, you know, with this
Speaker 1: is the thing about it is when you know, we
Speaker 1: we influence people with like our talk, you know, and
Speaker 1: we and Dave and we all caught we all do
Speaker 1: these shows and you start to talk and we kind
Speaker 1: of talk about the same guys over and over and
Speaker 1: over again, and then we don't talk about out of
Speaker 1: Tyler Smith. But but people in the NFL circles, in
Speaker 1: Scouts and stuff are like men. Because I did have
Speaker 1: a guy a couple of weeks ago in the organization.
Speaker 1: I asked about the whole thing with Tyler Smith. I say,
Speaker 1: is that because it was the Kuiper question that I had?
Speaker 1: How did Kiper what? And he goes, hey, man, is
Speaker 1: Tyler Smith's a really good athlete and he didn't really
Speaker 1: want to go into it much more than that. So
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, okay, follow it away. And then today
Speaker 1: Bobby always were running down the Tyler Smith stuff and
Speaker 1: as the board fell, that's the scenario in their mind,
Speaker 1: that's the way it came down. They needed a guard,
Speaker 1: They need a big, powerful guy, and hopefully this guy
Speaker 1: will work out for him. Though, I mean, I feel
Speaker 1: like in a way, because we don't talk about somebody
Speaker 1: that maybe the fans are like, oh, damn who they
Speaker 1: just take? Yeah, you know, whereas whereas we should be like, hey,
Speaker 1: they're the ones in the room. First round offensive linemen
Speaker 1: have been there forte you know, yep, And so that's
Speaker 1: that's the credit you got to give them, right or
Speaker 1: at least that's the leeway that you have to give
Speaker 1: them right now. Look, if you're sitting there and go
Speaker 1: in like, oh, you didn't talk about it enough, like
Speaker 1: we just said a few minutes ago, had the Cowboys
Speaker 1: not picked him here, there was enough chatter. I think
Speaker 1: he was going in the first round regardless the NFL
Speaker 1: viewed him as a first round player. Yes, yeah, And
Speaker 1: I also mean not just Keiper and mocking him here
Speaker 1: like Daniel Jeremiah's had him in the back half of
Speaker 1: his mocks for for a while or months. So in
Speaker 1: fact that DJ talks to everybody in personnel offices across
Speaker 1: the league, DJ will know what I think the moral
Speaker 1: of the story is, we need we need new draft analysts. Wow,
Speaker 1: that's how you light it up. You guys just totally
Speaker 1: miss joke the side note real quick, uh, Tyler Smith,
Speaker 1: I was having some of the listeners say ask him
Speaker 1: about I'm not sure if I'm pronouncing this tribe of
Speaker 1: blounce disease. He had this as a child, a condition
Speaker 1: found in kids that affects the growth plates around the knee.
Speaker 1: Causes the growth plate near the inside of the knee
Speaker 1: to either slow down or stop making new bone. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: the growth plate near the outside of the knee continues
Speaker 1: to grow normally. So he overcame that I'm not saying
Speaker 1: that that's a current metal condition or worry, but people
Speaker 1: were telling us to ask about that, but we had
Speaker 1: to let Tyler get back to the celebration. This will
Speaker 1: be the this will be the first of like a
Speaker 1: million interviews that. He was like, we'll have another opportunity.
Speaker 1: That's call me a voice if you want to. Like
Speaker 1: people are like, I ask them about the holding calls.
Speaker 1: I'm like, why we can get to that. I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna rain on his parade. Sixteen interviewed Jerry Congratulations, you suck.
Speaker 1: I've interviewed Jerry Jones once a week for eleven years.
Speaker 1: I've been told ask better questions. Yeah, ask the ask
Speaker 1: the right thing all the time. Look, this is part
Speaker 1: of the fun of it, right, And we've we've we've
Speaker 1: had missus and you have hits with fan reaction. Taco Charlton,
Speaker 1: you got it right. As Jerry joked about the other day,
Speaker 1: we all missed on Travis Frederick and and and let's
Speaker 1: be real, many of us missed on Michael Parsons. Many
Speaker 1: of us missed on Michael Parsons. So we'll see what happens.
Speaker 1: But this is the fun of it getting interested, invested
Speaker 1: and thrilled or disappointed. I mean, I think he's just
Speaker 1: from what we have here, this is going to be
Speaker 1: an easy person for people to root for. Anybody down.
Speaker 1: This is a local kid kid. This is a gritty
Speaker 1: kid who went way under recruited coming out of high school.
Speaker 1: Didn't even get an offer from TCU. His local school,
Speaker 1: uh you know, goes to Tulsa, has the career, he does,
Speaker 1: rises up draft boards, you hear him. He's a fun
Speaker 1: loving guy. He's a very positive, upbeat guy, and he
Speaker 1: plays with a chip on his shoulder. I think all
Speaker 1: these things are going to be very easy to root.
Speaker 1: The easy joke right now to make is obviously you
Speaker 1: got rid of Connor and then draft to Connor, So
Speaker 1: get ready for that tomorrow with your shows and all
Speaker 1: the other coverage. Yeah, I just got somebody that texted
Speaker 1: me in the organization was telling me that that the Titans.
Speaker 1: To Bobby's point, Bobby once again with the stuff. Titans
Speaker 1: kept calling and trying to get the deal Sweden deal,
Speaker 1: and finally they got Jerry to admit that they's who
Speaker 1: they were going to take. Jerry Jones. He's told so
Speaker 1: many stories about that over the years. Jerry Jersey get
Speaker 1: people to do that. It's amazing. He did it in
Speaker 1: a draft. He did it in the Roy Williams draft.
Speaker 1: He got is this in regards Tyler laughing Bobby, Bobby,
Speaker 1: let's tease it. Tell us. I think this is gonna
Speaker 1: make you feel a little bit better about another team
Speaker 1: wanting Tyler Smith brought us, just got some inside info,
Speaker 1: will bring you the intels. We finished up the first
Speaker 1: round on one oh five three the Fan and the
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys Radio Network. All right, could you imagine if
Speaker 1: the Titans would have jumped up in front of Dallas
Speaker 1: and took Burkes and this guy from they would have
Speaker 1: been so furious. That had to be where they were
Speaker 1: cracking up in the war room. Magic. That's gotta be
Speaker 1: why Well, I think I think that's what they're probably
Speaker 1: laughing because Bobby's intel is absolutely right that the Titans
Speaker 1: were a team that we're trying. And then you know
Speaker 1: this has happened before and again I'll tell the story
Speaker 1: about when I was in the war room with Jerry
Speaker 1: with the Roy Williams thing and he Frank Gilliaman Minnesota
Speaker 1: on one line and Carl Peterson on the other, and
Speaker 1: it was it's it's crazy how this guy gets people
Speaker 1: to do this green day on the clock tonight. We'll
Speaker 1: go on to do great things on the field, but
Speaker 1: they'll also make tremendous impacts in their communities. Nobody exemplified
Speaker 1: that more than Walter Payton. Named in his honor, the
Speaker 1: Walter Payton NFL Man of the Year Award, presented by Nationwide,
Speaker 1: is the most prestigious award a player can receive. Tonight,
Speaker 1: we are proud to have Andrew Whitworth the twenty twenty
Speaker 1: one Walter Payton NFL Man of the Year here with us.
Speaker 1: LS you. Thank you, Commissioner, Thank y'all whose house That's
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about too. I am very humbled and
Speaker 1: grateful to stand before he was the two thousand and
Speaker 1: twenty one Walter Payton, the NFL Man of the Year.
Speaker 1: I would love to think the NFL, the Peyton family
Speaker 1: and nationwide for everything they do to support players as
Speaker 1: we try to make positive impacts in our communities. When
Speaker 1: I look back over my time in the NFL, is
Speaker 1: going to make the peer over sixteen years. Okay, that's sup.
Speaker 1: Let's go back to us so quick. I'm sorry about that. Guys.
Speaker 1: I thought he's gonna make this selection brought us. Go ahead,
Speaker 1: continue with your Jerry story please, yeah. I mean it's
Speaker 1: it's funny because when in the draft, Jerry got Frank
Speaker 1: Gilliam and Carl Peterson to admit we were trying to
Speaker 1: trade back. And I've never seen a general manager do this,
Speaker 1: but this is the influence of Jerry Jones in a
Speaker 1: war room. He got Carl Peterson to admit who he
Speaker 1: was going to take, and he got Frank Gilly numid
Speaker 1: who he was going to take, and and Jerry had
Speaker 1: both phones. He put him down. He said, let's take
Speaker 1: Kansas Cy's deal. It's better. He's told me, Hey, Frank,
Speaker 1: I gotta deal with somebody. Bible hung up on him
Speaker 1: and like yeah, and so we traded back. But that
Speaker 1: was a crazy draft. You remember we almost went off
Speaker 1: the clock that it went down to like the last Yeah,
Speaker 1: and they yelled it, Stephen, they yield its tags all
Speaker 1: all that. But yeah, that Jerry has that ability when
Speaker 1: you get sometimes you get guys in the phone that
Speaker 1: it works out here. It looks like we got the
Speaker 1: pick for Green Babe. I think we go. In the
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two NFL Draft, the Green Bay Packers select
Speaker 1: DeVante Wyatt defensive tackle Georgia so Ross Tucker, former NFL player,
Speaker 1: now does some analysts work. This was his player for
Speaker 1: the Cowboys. He said, he shocked all of us this morning.
Speaker 1: He came on. He said they should not take an
Speaker 1: offensive lineman because you're not going to get anyone, uh
Speaker 1: in a in a win now year. If you look
Speaker 1: at it as a win now year, and we're like,
Speaker 1: all right, smart guy, who would you take? He said?
Speaker 1: DeVante Wyatt would have been his his player. There's some
Speaker 1: questions about him. He's got some baggage. He's got some baggage,
Speaker 1: but he's a hell of a freaking player. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: absolutely domestic violence, He's got a couple of things going
Speaker 1: on there. But you know what's funny. The Packers usually
Speaker 1: that's not their emo to do something like this, but
Speaker 1: you know, the value for the players is just too
Speaker 1: good right there. All right, we'll rejoin the radio side
Speaker 1: here in a second. I'm Seantreef alongside David Helm and
Speaker 1: Brian brought us Kyle Yeoman's and our Cowboys insider Bobby Bell.
Speaker 1: Tyler Smith is your newest offensive lineman, the local kid
Speaker 1: that went and played at Tulsa as a tackle already
Speaker 1: joined us here on the fan and the Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 1: Radio network, and let's give a little reset of what
Speaker 1: happened afterwards. A lot of Cowboy fans who were disappointed
Speaker 1: got even more furious when Linderbaum, the center from Iowa
Speaker 1: went to the Ravens at twenty five. Johnson, the d
Speaker 1: n from Florida State, who you guys were talking about,
Speaker 1: maybe we should have done a little more homework, but
Speaker 1: the Cowboys didn't take him to the Jets at twenty six.
Speaker 1: Devin Lloyd, the Utah inside linebacker goes to Jacksonville at
Speaker 1: number twenty seven. And then we just had the defensive
Speaker 1: tackle at a Georgia Wyatt to Green Bay at number
Speaker 1: twenty eight. If you were listening to the fan, this morning,
Speaker 1: this was Ross Tucker selection for the Cowboys. Instead he
Speaker 1: goes to the Packers with some character issues off the field,
Speaker 1: and now the New England Patriots are on the clock
Speaker 1: at number twenty nine. Thoughts on the final of the
Speaker 1: recent selections here, I just we joked about it. I
Speaker 1: think that's you know, there's always a snapshot of like
Speaker 1: this is what we're gonna remember. This is the Taco
Speaker 1: t J. Watt thing, Like this is what we're gonna
Speaker 1: talk about five years from now. We're gonna look at
Speaker 1: this and see Tyler's Smith followed by Linderbaum, Jermaine Johnson,
Speaker 1: and Devin Lloyd, three guys that have widely been considered
Speaker 1: top twenty type of talents all went in a row
Speaker 1: after Tyler Smith and whoever, yeah, whoever, Whoever's right about that?
Speaker 1: That'll be the talking point when we look back, Where
Speaker 1: did you guys have Johnson? Because defensive end was a
Speaker 1: need for this team is a need for this team.
Speaker 1: We think I thought he would be a top twenty pick.
Speaker 1: I didn't buy the hype that he was top Like,
Speaker 1: IM twenty five on my board, twenty nine on mine. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: so I mean it wasn't like it was a blinking
Speaker 1: red light at any point along the way. But I
Speaker 1: mean we had even heard whispers through Brian's circle that
Speaker 1: he was going to slip a little bit. He slipped
Speaker 1: to what was it twenty five or twenty six. Now
Speaker 1: that's not necessarily surprising. That's about where we thought he
Speaker 1: would go, maybe a little bit earlier, but not like
Speaker 1: a lock. Like I didn't buy the hype that he
Speaker 1: was a top ten guy so much, but because of
Speaker 1: the position that he plays, I would have thought, like
Speaker 1: between twelve and eighteen, my biggest surprise is George Carlofts
Speaker 1: right now still being on the board. I'm not if
Speaker 1: what Brier had to say. I mean, I go back
Speaker 1: to that, and I mean, like Brian, you've heard some
Speaker 1: of that that there's some people who just think like
Speaker 1: this is who he is, who he is. I mean,
Speaker 1: you can watch this this guy you talk about somebody
Speaker 1: will have a chip on his shoulder as a player,
Speaker 1: you know, and there's a lot of folks that clean myself,
Speaker 1: I had him as my seventeenth best player on my
Speaker 1: board and we're talking about George from Yeah, and you know,
Speaker 1: he mean he is a he is a he's a
Speaker 1: going Jesse when it comes to getting around the corner
Speaker 1: and making things happen. And I've never heard that it's
Speaker 1: an old old but I mean, like I say, the
Speaker 1: guy plays hard. I mean he plays really really hard,
Speaker 1: and you know he's he's a really good technician. There
Speaker 1: are guys, there are guys in this league that don't
Speaker 1: play with as good as technique as George Carloftens. That's
Speaker 1: the one thing that allows him to make sack and
Speaker 1: he gets in position and you know, he's a I
Speaker 1: like him as a finisher. I think the tape on
Speaker 1: him is really really good. But there's people that are
Speaker 1: kind of saying he is what he is, you know,
Speaker 1: and that you know, we'll see. I wouldn't bet against
Speaker 1: a guy like him. I really wouldn't. You talk about like,
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of guys don't have his technique
Speaker 1: and the ability that he's able to, you know, the
Speaker 1: way he's able to win as a technician, it's so rare,
Speaker 1: especially when you talk about like defensive ends coming out
Speaker 1: of college. A lot of these edge rushes when they
Speaker 1: come out of college. That's one of the most common
Speaker 1: things they hear from people around the NFL about rookie
Speaker 1: defensive ends. Is like they don't know how to use
Speaker 1: their hands. Yeah, they don't have any clue how to
Speaker 1: use them when they get here, and you gotta, you know,
Speaker 1: train that a little bit. That's not the case with Karloft,
Speaker 1: as he knows how to use his hands, he knows
Speaker 1: how to use his link. He's I mean, I really
Speaker 1: really like him. I just I kind of got the
Speaker 1: vibe that the Cowboys weren't nearly as high on him
Speaker 1: as we all thought he was. Yeah, are there any
Speaker 1: more glaring names left on y'all's board that you thought
Speaker 1: we're going to go in the first round? Besides him?
Speaker 1: Kobe Dean is one. There's no like Georgia now that,
Speaker 1: now that Jermaine Johnson's gone, I'm not looking at my
Speaker 1: list and thinking like there's no free fall. I thought
Speaker 1: Kyler Gordon would go in the first and we're getting
Speaker 1: close to the we're getting close to the end. So
Speaker 1: I played the game that everybody plays, where you write
Speaker 1: down the thirty two names you feel good about the
Speaker 1: names I've got left that I thought would go. Lewis,
Speaker 1: Seene Arnold, Dave, Dkatie, Logan Hall, Malik Willis, Desmond, Ritter, Kyler, Gordon,
Speaker 1: Malik willis still there here. The highest graded player that
Speaker 1: Dane has left that's not gone yet is Carloftis. And
Speaker 1: then it's Dax Hill, which we talked about that earlier today,
Speaker 1: how it sounded like Dax Hill might fall out of
Speaker 1: the first round. That's who the Patriots are gonna do
Speaker 1: here at twenty nine just might be the safety in
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty two NFL Draft. The New England Patriots
Speaker 1: like cool strange bro, Sorry bro, really I should not
Speaker 1: I shouldn't have laughed. Why they were? Well, will you
Speaker 1: explain the reactions? That's pretty far down the board for
Speaker 1: a first round player. John Schneider in the draft room,
Speaker 1: he he is, uh, offensive lineman, interior offensive lineman, so
Speaker 1: not even just offensive lineman, number seventeen on my board,
Speaker 1: seventeen what one interior offensive line? He's one sixty seven overall,
Speaker 1: Dane has him seventy three. So we're all in the
Speaker 1: entire draft. Wow, Belichick is an idiot. But you know
Speaker 1: what we all again, we all said Frederick third round player.
Speaker 1: So here we all upset over Tyler Smith. And look
Speaker 1: what Belichick just did. That should make you feel better
Speaker 1: about the drill. Look, there was a clear market in
Speaker 1: the first round for Tyler Smith. I don't know if
Speaker 1: there was a clear market Cole Strange. Yeah, oh, Brian,
Speaker 1: we're supposed to get back to your story with Tyler
Speaker 1: Smith in terms of Jerry maybe taking Wait did we
Speaker 1: already do that? Yeah? Oh you're fading. Drink some more
Speaker 1: oft an early morning. We started it on the radio
Speaker 1: and we finished it on the dot com. That's true,
Speaker 1: not that on that, um no, But I mean like
Speaker 1: he Jerry's got an amazing way with words. So like
Speaker 1: basically we think he bullied the Titans into admitting that
Speaker 1: they won in Tyler Smith. Yeah, or maybe not bullied.
Speaker 1: He he coerced them into admitting it, admitting and then
Speaker 1: I think and then High I think you made the point.
Speaker 1: That's why there there was laughter in the war room
Speaker 1: because they were like, a nice try. You were coming
Speaker 1: up for our guy. It ain't happening. So Kansas City's
Speaker 1: not wasting any time. Good let's get this thing over with.
Speaker 1: Let's get to the press conference. We can get out
Speaker 1: of here before eleven o'clock. Here is Roger Goodell with
Speaker 1: the Chiefs pick in the twenty twenty two NFL Draft
Speaker 1: the Kansas City Chiefs like George Carloftso you should have
Speaker 1: seen brought us his face just then the rich get richer.
Speaker 1: What do you think, Brian, Oh No, I mean, that's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I think there's some I'm disappointed. I'm
Speaker 1: not disappointed that I had him where he where he is.
Speaker 1: I just I'm disappointed that that maybe some other teams
Speaker 1: didn't see it the way I did. And I mean
Speaker 1: that sounds weird to say that way, but I kind
Speaker 1: of felt like this guy was like the sixteenth best
Speaker 1: player on the board. I really did. I believe that.
Speaker 1: I'm really there's another team that I think drafts pretty
Speaker 1: well that sees value in players. So when you make
Speaker 1: a miss like that, you know, when you feel like
Speaker 1: you should have had a guy higher, or you had
Speaker 1: a guy high, and then somebody picks him, you're kind
Speaker 1: of like, Okay, maybe I'm not totally off base with
Speaker 1: some of these cats. All right, So Cincinnati, the defending
Speaker 1: AFC champs, are on the clock, and then it's gonna
Speaker 1: be the Minnesota Vikings. I'm also gonna have to get
Speaker 1: you guys to prepare us for Day two in terms
Speaker 1: of positions that are left over. Cowboy targets best players
Speaker 1: on the board. So we'll set all that up and
Speaker 1: we'll keep it here. Or what do you want to do, Timmy,
Speaker 1: So we'll go ahead and keep it here with Cincinnati
Speaker 1: after the Kansas City Chiefs, go with George Carr Laftis
Speaker 1: and Tyler Smith as your newest Dallas Cowboy. You talk
Speaker 1: to the people over at Exos where he trained, who's
Speaker 1: over here in Fresco, and you just ask them, Like
Speaker 1: I pulled a few people over there earlier today and
Speaker 1: I was like, Hey, give me the standout guys, like
Speaker 1: the standout character and like hard work guys. And I
Speaker 1: had three different people over there telling me like karloftas Karloftascar,
Speaker 1: like that dude's a worker. It's like he's being punished
Speaker 1: for being too boring, right, he's too solid. He's just well,
Speaker 1: I just mind my notes. I mean, I will say this,
Speaker 1: I am impressed with the way this guy rushed as
Speaker 1: a passer due to his technique, with the way he plays.
Speaker 1: This guy understands how to use his pass rush moves
Speaker 1: along the way. It's just not rush up the field
Speaker 1: and hope for the best it's a swat, swim, rip pull.
Speaker 1: He's going to do something in order to free himself
Speaker 1: in the blocker. He's got quickness, he's got a burst.
Speaker 1: He could get the corner. He knows where to rush.
Speaker 1: I don't see him running past the quarterback and trying
Speaker 1: to reach back. But this guy is man. He could
Speaker 1: get pressure. And there's plays with a little bit of
Speaker 1: a burst. But there's people that kind of feel like, well,
Speaker 1: that's just who he is. But I mean, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of really, really good traits about this guy. I
Speaker 1: think the learning curve for him is going to be
Speaker 1: really really small because of how well he plays with technique.
Speaker 1: I adore it when Brian reads his report verbatim, like
Speaker 1: that's how you know that he's invested in this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's fantastic. When he's a power rusher too, Like he's
Speaker 1: got extra strength up on the top half that allows
Speaker 1: him to or allowed him in the big ten to
Speaker 1: make an impact. I think he's as ready of an
Speaker 1: NFL pass rusher as even some of the top guys
Speaker 1: that were taking tonight. Does it mean anything at all
Speaker 1: that when do they usually roll out of the war room.
Speaker 1: Doesn't mean anything that they're still in there. A lot
Speaker 1: of times you'll hang out and make sure nobody's calling, okay,
Speaker 1: just because a lot of times I've seen them make
Speaker 1: the pick in his roll and it's like, uh, any
Speaker 1: is anyone calling the room? Sometimes they just you know,
Speaker 1: it's like it's bail three more picks and they're like
Speaker 1: some catfish. Oh is that the post draft meal? I
Speaker 1: don't think it was. It was it was, Yeah, they
Speaker 1: serve catfish before catfish for the pre draft dinner. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh nice. We started too soon for me to get
Speaker 1: in the unfortunate. Well, we got Papa Johnson. We did.
Speaker 1: We wanted very good stuff crusted as well. Who were
Speaker 1: my who were my Cincinnati Benghi's gonna draft here? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're a big time fan my fighting Joe Burrows. Well
Speaker 1: they don't need a right tackle. Who's the red flat guy? Pickins?
Speaker 1: H Yeah? Pickins go get go get a corner. Kyler
Speaker 1: Gordon and Andrew Booth are both sitting there. Did they
Speaker 1: fix all of their offensive line? Even though they took
Speaker 1: Leo Collins? They got Lyle Collins and they signed they
Speaker 1: signed the guard out of Tampa and free agency. I
Speaker 1: think they could use another offensive Lineman, but I think
Speaker 1: all of the plausible ones are gone. Of course, that
Speaker 1: didn't stop Bill Belichick's I saw a corner mocked there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the Hitler Gordon would be one. They have Cheetoh obviously,
Speaker 1: but they have a need on across the field for
Speaker 1: another cornerback, maybe like an Andrew Booth or a Roger
Speaker 1: McCreary would be interesting. This is a team that doesn't
Speaker 1: care about character, by the way, so if you if
Speaker 1: you have somebody on that board that they might uh,
Speaker 1: they always like big school guy two. I'm trying of
Speaker 1: the kind of things. Yeah, Georgia, they liked it. They
Speaker 1: liked they like we like big ten guys too. You're
Speaker 1: trying to manifest this and I don't appreciate it. Maybe
Speaker 1: I want them to fall. Maybe they draft ckx Hill
Speaker 1: so they don't have to pay Jesse Bates. Well that's
Speaker 1: that that could be. I mean traditionally the Brown family
Speaker 1: their Ohio state family. But I don't know if they
Speaker 1: would take a Michigan kid like that. But you know,
Speaker 1: they really don't care. It's a small, small scann those
Speaker 1: coaches are gonna make this pick. So I wouldn't be
Speaker 1: surprised if you know, like we'll see who are just
Speaker 1: from from maybe would they take they take a tackle again?
Speaker 1: I know they've added some guys and stuff like that, Raymond.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just saying I think they have Cannard
Speaker 1: is Kentucky, which is right across the way from them.
Speaker 1: They have they have Jonah Williams. Yeah, they and they
Speaker 1: have Lyle. I don't feel like they don't really need
Speaker 1: a tackle and guard inside help maybe the center or
Speaker 1: something like that. I think they would. I think they
Speaker 1: would have loved to have linder bomb fall there, but
Speaker 1: you didn't, obviously from my own entertainment. Who are the
Speaker 1: biggest red flag guys in this whole draft, Bobby, I
Speaker 1: mean the ones that were talked about and we're for
Speaker 1: wildly different reasons where Packers just took We're two Georgia kids.
Speaker 1: It was George Pickens and DeVante Wyatt. Yeah yeah. Pickens
Speaker 1: was about maturity. It sounded like and you know, needs
Speaker 1: to kind of grow up, the opposite of Whyatt was
Speaker 1: had you know, legal issues and speaking of that, Uh,
Speaker 1: we're done worrying about Kelvin Joseph's availability. I didn't say that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know what to make of that.
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean it sounds like it's it's been
Speaker 1: put to bed. I was told not to just to
Speaker 1: kind of let it go and then we'll see what happens.
Speaker 1: Kind of a thing. Okay, I'm just gonna keep my
Speaker 1: radar up for the league because that's what I mean. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but how about but how about how do we feel
Speaker 1: a corner? Well, they tried to add one last year
Speaker 1: with the starters they had. They mean, they were they
Speaker 1: were like they were looking for one't the if the situation,
Speaker 1: if the situation presents itself, go for it. But like
Speaker 1: they don't. They don't need that that desperately that they
Speaker 1: need to make something happen. I mean, if somehow Kyler
Speaker 1: Gordon keeps falling, if Kyler Gordon was around them, they would,
Speaker 1: I think, because if a guy that's not supposed to
Speaker 1: be there wind's up there, go for it. Yeah. But
Speaker 1: I'm only asking that because I've seen the corners mocked
Speaker 1: to Since and corners mocked to Minnesota. Who's gonna have
Speaker 1: the final pick of the first round right after this,
Speaker 1: So we'll see what happens. I mean, just Logan Hall
Speaker 1: wouldn't go here right Defensive tackle he could Houston. I
Speaker 1: mean this, I don't know, he's been mocked in the
Speaker 1: back end of the FIRS. What I'm saying, I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of thinking that would be particularly the
Speaker 1: right around. Like before we really zeroed in on Tyler Smith,
Speaker 1: I wanted to bring him up and be like, could
Speaker 1: they like Logan Hall? But they drafted Tyler instead. They
Speaker 1: do like him. They like him as a three technique,
Speaker 1: which he's kind of one of those tweeterers that you
Speaker 1: don't really know exactly what you know. The Cowboys were
Speaker 1: looking at Logan Hall as a three tech. That's myself
Speaker 1: where they like him and where they've had him slotted
Speaker 1: in through the draft process. So Cowboys tamar gonna pick
Speaker 1: at fifty six eighty eight. They're gonna have one pick
Speaker 1: in the fourth, four picks in the fifth, and a six. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the rest of the draft. Come back on Saturday, Sean,
Speaker 1: I don't think so the whole time. Roger Goodell with
Speaker 1: the Bengals selection, no more bow ties for me. Appreciate you.
Speaker 1: Where in the twenty twenty two NFL Draft, the AFC
Speaker 1: champion Cincinnati Bengal I Bengals Deckson Hill. Here we go look,
Speaker 1: see the Bengals had to pick somebody Brian loved. You
Speaker 1: know what, that's my favorite team in the league. Right,
Speaker 1: that's a byou Bengal. You know, I mentioned that it's
Speaker 1: funny because the Brown family really their father, the founder
Speaker 1: of the Bengals, coached at Ohio State, and I just
Speaker 1: wondered if they were ever gonna take a Michigan man
Speaker 1: like that. But they did. Man, that's a great that's
Speaker 1: a great, you know, great value for a player. Right.
Speaker 1: That was my sixteenth best player on the board for sure.
Speaker 1: Really appreciate that top twenty pick at thirty one. Yeah, good,
Speaker 1: good pick. Immediately going to come in and play. I'll
Speaker 1: give my scouting report as I'm pulling it. Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 1: Extreme athleticism, flexibility to play over the top end in
Speaker 1: the box. He has instincts in quick trigger where he
Speaker 1: doesn't waste a whole lot of steps getting to the ball.
Speaker 1: He sees a little, sees a lot as one of
Speaker 1: those terms you hear from safeties. Doesn't look like he's
Speaker 1: he's not changed by the not phased by change of direction.
Speaker 1: And modern NFL has found a nice role for guys
Speaker 1: like him, and I think He's going to do a
Speaker 1: very a good thing on the back end of that
Speaker 1: Cincinnati defense. Like Dave just said, to kind of help
Speaker 1: out with some contracts. This guy plays with the toughness
Speaker 1: and edge to him. He's quick to read the route,
Speaker 1: so fight to get in position. He tackles really well.
Speaker 1: Ball skills are there. Kyle's got him right there. I
Speaker 1: think that when you watch him play, this guy does
Speaker 1: a really nice job of driving on the play and
Speaker 1: getting you know, getting himself in position to make that play.
Speaker 1: He will knock balls down and play offhand and not
Speaker 1: like wrap his arm around the back of the receiver
Speaker 1: to get penalties and things like that. I mean, I
Speaker 1: said in my final line, I like his ability. He
Speaker 1: plays smart and he finished his plays big, big time
Speaker 1: player in my book, Minnesota Vikings, they're not going to
Speaker 1: waste much time to pick is already in for them.
Speaker 1: And then after that we will give you a look
Speaker 1: for tomorrow and the preview with Cowboys on the clock,
Speaker 1: best players left on the board. And this is what
Speaker 1: everyone is talking about with this draft is tomorrow really
Speaker 1: and rounds you know, three through five, which of course
Speaker 1: is going to take place on Sunday. Excuse me Saturday
Speaker 1: as well, Sean Trefkyle Yoman's, David Hellman, Brian brought us
Speaker 1: and Bobby Belt here on Dallas Cowboys do they're doing
Speaker 1: this skull chant or whatever it is in Minnesota for
Speaker 1: pick thirty two. They're all standing up doing this chant
Speaker 1: here getting ready to close out the draft. So there
Speaker 1: you go. They have a new leadership there. Mike Zimmer
Speaker 1: who was a Cowboy defensive coordinator candidate that was brought up.
Speaker 1: He's being play So you had a new head coach
Speaker 1: in there. Um and there was some Kellen Moore rumors
Speaker 1: connected to Minnesota. So another year for Kirk Cousins to
Speaker 1: get made fun of with the with the Vikings to
Speaker 1: see what they can do. Unless this is Malik Willis
Speaker 1: on the back end, get that fifth year option and
Speaker 1: make something interesting. I know that's they They need somebody
Speaker 1: in the secondary. I don't know. Maybe this will be Gordon,
Speaker 1: maybe it'll be Booth. It feels like about three lifetimes
Speaker 1: ago that Kellen Moore was tied to the Vikings job,
Speaker 1: Like I completely forgot that happen. I'm trying and I'm
Speaker 1: looking for Malik Willis teams now that Kyle said that
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay is going to start tomorrow, by the way,
Speaker 1: so the Bucks will start then Minnesota, so they have
Speaker 1: two of the next three picks here, they're gonna pick here,
Speaker 1: then Tampa, then the Vikings pick second tomorrow, then Tennessee,
Speaker 1: the New York Giants, the Houston Texans sitting there with others.
Speaker 1: If I hear any more, Davis Mills love that they're
Speaker 1: trying to sell this. I was a big fan of
Speaker 1: his year. You were, I was like, well, well, like, well, no,
Speaker 1: I'm coming out of coming out of school. Okay, I'll
Speaker 1: put it. I'm not trying to convince you that he's good.
Speaker 1: But if I were the Texans, I would rather stink
Speaker 1: this year and have a better shot at a better
Speaker 1: quarterback and next year's draft than draft a guy. Now, okay,
Speaker 1: well there goes my insult towards the Texans. You guys
Speaker 1: just killed it. Me and Brian were higher on him,
Speaker 1: I think than most people. Is terrible problem, the terrible
Speaker 1: thank you, you're welcome. We're all way too level headed.
Speaker 1: I don't know about that. Outside of like the top
Speaker 1: five quarterbacks like Lawrence and Fields and Wilson and Lance
Speaker 1: and Jones. Last year, the guys that win the top fifteen.
Speaker 1: Mills was my next guy up Tennessee. Tennessee could want
Speaker 1: a quarterback tomorrow. The Giants, maybe the Seahawks picked twice
Speaker 1: in the forties m back to back, and then Detroit's
Speaker 1: still hanging there at forty six. If Detroit could make
Speaker 1: two picks in the first round and still get a
Speaker 1: quarterback in the second round, that they'd be pretty happy.
Speaker 1: And just to summarize NFC eastwise, uh, we're not feeling
Speaker 1: very good about what the Giants and the Eagles did
Speaker 1: and fine with the commanders, correct, is that the consensus
Speaker 1: in the room. I think Johan Dotson's a good player. Yeah,
Speaker 1: to the commanders, I don't think we should necessarily write
Speaker 1: him off immediately, But in comparison, I'm not writing I'm
Speaker 1: not writing him off. I don't think the Commanders are
Speaker 1: significantly better after that pick, whereas after what Philly and
Speaker 1: New York have done tonight, I think and the Giants
Speaker 1: just to reset, got Thibadeau, got Evan Neil, and then
Speaker 1: the Eagles got Jordan Davis and a J. Brown. Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean when you talk about Washington, I
Speaker 1: was going back to that well, we got Roger Goodell
Speaker 1: coming to the podiums. All right, let's go ahead and
Speaker 1: complete this first round with the Viking selection at thirty two.
Speaker 1: What's Roger wearing around his neck? That's a tie. Oh No,
Speaker 1: Minnesota Viking select Lewis Scene, safety defensive back Georgia. So
Speaker 1: we had one last picture they run on safeties at
Speaker 1: the end of the first round. That all right, let's
Speaker 1: come back and reset. We'll get these guys winners losers.
Speaker 1: Day two preview had us a set up for the
Speaker 1: Cowboys tomorrow and then of course the press conference upstairs
Speaker 1: with Jerry, Stephen and McCarthy explaining why they went with
Speaker 1: Tyler Smith, the newest Dallas Cowboys offensive lineman. This is
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty two NFL Draft on one oh five
Speaker 1: through the fan and the Dallas Cowboys Radio Network. Lewis
Speaker 1: Scene is the fifth member of that Georgia defense, taken
Speaker 1: in the first round thirty first best player. How about that,
Speaker 1: like a captain of that defense is still sitting there
Speaker 1: for tomorrow. Yes, it is, wow, because he's five eleven four. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's gonna make somebody look smart as hell. Shout out
Speaker 1: to uh our buddy Dane Brugler twenty eight of his
Speaker 1: top thirty two went tonight. It's pretty good at his job,
Speaker 1: fellas he is. Nobody can predict Cole Strange and Lewis
Speaker 1: was thirty three for him. Yeah, what was the random
Speaker 1: side note question the size difference, because I'm gonna have
Speaker 1: to answer this to a lot of listeners tomorrow with
Speaker 1: Frederick and Linderbaum. Oh it wasn't was three twelve. I
Speaker 1: think three twelve and he was he was what an
Speaker 1: inch and a half? I think he was six zero
Speaker 1: three three if I remember that would be sixty three.
Speaker 1: Pro Football Reference puts him at six four three twenty.
Speaker 1: Obviously that's not ninety six. Okay, yeah, six two two
Speaker 1: ninety six. I mean it's a significant size difference, but
Speaker 1: not as much as you would necessarily thin. Arms were
Speaker 1: two inches longer, his height was two inches more, he
Speaker 1: was fifteen pounds heavier. I'm just googling Tyler Smith with
Speaker 1: a lot of this and the headlines. I mean, it
Speaker 1: may not be funny to you listening, but mel Kiper's
Speaker 1: final mock causes fan freak out some different analysts on Twitter.
Speaker 1: If they ever did this, I'm done. Uh if they
Speaker 1: draft him I'm not gonna put lipstick on this pig.
Speaker 1: I'll submit my retirement papers if they do this. The
Speaker 1: Cowboy mascot rowdy with his head down. So it's just
Speaker 1: funny seeing some of this reaction to Kuiper's more. We're
Speaker 1: all colleagues. We share information between each other, like we
Speaker 1: had we heard his name. Yep, sure they don't. We
Speaker 1: don't know for sure what that means. And I remember
Speaker 1: talking to Bobby. I was like, I'm not I'm not
Speaker 1: saying he's a good or bad player. I am saying
Speaker 1: if he's the pick, that will be the rest. That'll
Speaker 1: be what happens. How hard is it brought us? Obviously,
Speaker 1: has these really detailed reports judging offensive lineman like they've
Speaker 1: been pretty good. They've been pretty good at in the
Speaker 1: first round. I know people are people are getting on
Speaker 1: my ass about it right now. Pressure go for the
Speaker 1: pressure that the press conference is on. Here are the
Speaker 1: Cowboys explaining the pick. We called it a good night.
Speaker 1: We got a player that we thought had as much
Speaker 1: upside as anybody that was on the board, and we
Speaker 1: were very very sensitive about the fact that we were
Speaker 1: adding depth and adding real we think insurance due to
Speaker 1: the fact that our makeup of our offensive line and
Speaker 1: our starters, we have to take into consideration availability of
Speaker 1: our starters. We think we got a player here that
Speaker 1: not only has the ability to be a starter, but
Speaker 1: has position flex and so we were very fortunate with
Speaker 1: the twenty fourth pick to get the sixteenth player in
Speaker 1: the drag. So I'll start that off with that and
Speaker 1: then question Stephen. You've got one statement before they ask questions.
Speaker 1: I'll take questions. Okay, good, and coach you'll talk to
Speaker 1: you about the if it it's in with the team.
Speaker 1: You guys got sixteen places, so you do not consider
Speaker 1: moving up at all because a lot of activity earlier.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys got to end see
Speaker 1: at all with so much so many trades today and
Speaker 1: you shall even consider moving up. We didn't have a
Speaker 1: player that we thought would at as it turns out
Speaker 1: where they were taken that was worth what we estimated
Speaker 1: would be what we'd have to pay to get up
Speaker 1: if if you had to pay, so we didn't spend
Speaker 1: a lot of time. If somebody got closer to us
Speaker 1: and we're dropping, then we certainly might consider that maneuvering
Speaker 1: up and down, And that's the way the board fell
Speaker 1: in there to day, we had three trades right at
Speaker 1: the buzzer on the last three picks. We had three calls.
Speaker 1: Stephen have had exactly, but we had three calls and
Speaker 1: entertained trading on at least two or maybe three of
Speaker 1: the last three picks. Trade back trade, Yeah, Ken Smith
Speaker 1: play guard. Is that we talked about position facts. We
Speaker 1: got to come in and completed guard. Yeah, Tyler will
Speaker 1: come in and he will have position flex and really
Speaker 1: be a left side player. So I'm an opportunity to
Speaker 1: rep both at the left guard in the left tackle position.
Speaker 1: That's where we will start them. Um. Real excited about
Speaker 1: what he he brings, you know, as far as his
Speaker 1: play style, and I think he's a really good fit
Speaker 1: fit for our offensive line room. Excited about what's in
Speaker 1: front of him. But yes, he'll have opportunity for both
Speaker 1: left guard left All right, let's take you to the
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys press conference talking about Tyler Smith as their
Speaker 1: draft pick at number twenty four. The trades you look forward,
Speaker 1: what does Tyler have that man? That definitely I mean
Speaker 1: you look at the measurables, so you know, he definitely
Speaker 1: has the trades of play left tackle. But um, you
Speaker 1: know those are conversations. You have all these these prospects,
Speaker 1: and you know, particularly, I mean personally, have been around
Speaker 1: a number of those guys that have gone from tackle
Speaker 1: and have played inside it. So but um, I think
Speaker 1: Tyler clearly has the ability to play tackle, and you
Speaker 1: know that's we're going to start him more as a
Speaker 1: left side player. As far as is Repson and how
Speaker 1: we view him starting out this week that you expected
Speaker 1: to give fourteen to sixteen players first round grades. When
Speaker 1: you see who as your sixteen player? Did you get
Speaker 1: him a first round grade we knew we were going
Speaker 1: to have to take if we were going to take
Speaker 1: Did we give him a first round grade? We gave
Speaker 1: him a grade that we knew more than likely we
Speaker 1: would take in the first round. Now that's that's that's
Speaker 1: meetly Mouth. That's meetly Mouth. It is a misrepresentation to
Speaker 1: not call him a first round player. And we knew
Speaker 1: that we were going to have to take him in
Speaker 1: the first round if we got him, and so I
Speaker 1: think that's the really I do think that's the correct
Speaker 1: way to do it. We had obviously, we have several
Speaker 1: players here that don't have first round grades. That were
Speaker 1: taken ahead of our picks that we didn't have first
Speaker 1: round grade. SOO, so I think it's really fair and
Speaker 1: my anticipated and we anticipated this question. But I think
Speaker 1: it's fair for us to say that we graded him
Speaker 1: as a first round player concerned with some of the
Speaker 1: penalty problems that he had in college, getting some of
Speaker 1: the palty issues that is offensive playing the last year.
Speaker 1: I'm definitely aware, you know, of his performance last year,
Speaker 1: but I definitely are two separate topics of my view,
Speaker 1: you know, obviously playing at Tulsa and obviously our team
Speaker 1: last year. I really don't see any correlation to it. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, we need to focus on on penalties and
Speaker 1: we've taken those steps already in offseason program, you know,
Speaker 1: as far as an emphasis on the things we need
Speaker 1: to do better, I mean, particularly in the year. He's
Speaker 1: the fundamentals. Um. So you know Tyler will be part
Speaker 1: of that, you know, part of the program when he
Speaker 1: gets here, and UM, I don't have any concerns. Well
Speaker 1: we're studdy Tyler Smith. First, get on your radar, Like,
Speaker 1: can you remember the first time you saw him or
Speaker 1: when he caught your eye or just when that was
Speaker 1: it was during the season going through the process looking
Speaker 1: at you know, when you start talking about the things
Speaker 1: that are that that you're looking for in the draft, Um,
Speaker 1: you know, we're looking for good players. But when it
Speaker 1: came up when we were looking at offensive line, we
Speaker 1: talked about him in December, um, you know, and you
Speaker 1: got to notice him a little bit more. And you know,
Speaker 1: number one thing is there's a big athletic, physical man
Speaker 1: and that that's going to play in a big athletic
Speaker 1: physical league. And that's what we liked about him. Was
Speaker 1: it a Dallas take out? No? No, what did you
Speaker 1: guys see getting that private work out for you to say, okay,
Speaker 1: this is the first round great on in the sense, well,
Speaker 1: you look for the traits and then you look for
Speaker 1: the ability on tape and he showed those. You know,
Speaker 1: he was a first round type player and you know,
Speaker 1: capable of competing in his league and you know, we
Speaker 1: were excited about that and him being local and you know,
Speaker 1: the temperament that he plays with and being young in
Speaker 1: the growth and the upside and the potential that's also
Speaker 1: important too, So did John Brady Manley. It just not
Speaker 1: equal to the scoptar that work for you to bring
Speaker 1: remember downut there for one of the thirty visits through.
Speaker 1: We all didn't need to do that. We didn't need
Speaker 1: to do that. We did the homework. We have enough
Speaker 1: sources and we had spent enough time with him to
Speaker 1: be comfortable with who the kid was. Excuse me there,
Speaker 1: I just want to add that, Uh, you know, Joe
Speaker 1: Filman had a chance to spend the time with them,
Speaker 1: and you know, the classroom work is obviously important. You know,
Speaker 1: we felt great about what he put on video, but
Speaker 1: you know, the personal workout does give you a chance
Speaker 1: to get a closer look and particularly spend the time
Speaker 1: and the one on one time. So obviously he had
Speaker 1: high marks and all that building film work with them
Speaker 1: to Outpulso correct. There are a couple of defensive players
Speaker 1: on the board there, Johnson and Lloyd Or was there
Speaker 1: consider strong consideration given taking defense? There was the rage
Speaker 1: to the point where you knew you were going to
Speaker 1: go Smith, But I will say, yes, yes, that there
Speaker 1: were strong consideration to defense there. We had though predetermined
Speaker 1: that he was even against defense, and I'm not going
Speaker 1: to give the specific players, but even against defense, we
Speaker 1: had determined that he was the leader in the clubhouse
Speaker 1: if we had a choice, and so we didn't have
Speaker 1: to have when he dropped, when he was available, we
Speaker 1: didn't have to have a big discussion and debate and
Speaker 1: all that kind of thing we looked over. As a
Speaker 1: matter of fact, Steven was on the phone with a
Speaker 1: trade and it turns out that they wanted to trade
Speaker 1: right ahead of us, and turns out that the trade
Speaker 1: that was attempted was to get him. We later found
Speaker 1: that out, So we knew we were in the wheelhouse there,
Speaker 1: and so we had a very clear despite as clear
Speaker 1: of on the board decision that I've seen unanimous decision
Speaker 1: in the room that when he came to us and
Speaker 1: we had to pick to take him. That I've been
Speaker 1: involved in green Zion Johnson, And again we don't have that,
Speaker 1: and I don't want to get into that, but let
Speaker 1: me put it like this. We have both of them.
Speaker 1: Was printed three days ago below him, both of those
Speaker 1: players and below him. Can you see that serious? Because
Speaker 1: there's I'm dead serious. I'm dead serious. No, we really
Speaker 1: did have him ready to blow it. No, we really
Speaker 1: did both of them. Your question, Well, hey man, let
Speaker 1: me just say this. The other part. The other part
Speaker 1: is I'm looking to I don't see. I'm trying to
Speaker 1: see who's on here. I'm trying to see who's on here.
Speaker 1: There wouldn't be but if they're, if you take out
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks, it won't be anybody on heres. The key
Speaker 1: thing for you know, the only thing I would add
Speaker 1: to this, the key thing Smith is just his ability
Speaker 1: were taking can be our left tackle for a long
Speaker 1: time at some point in time. Obviously we got the
Speaker 1: best in the business now and Tyron Smith, but uh,
Speaker 1: at some point his ability. We really believe he can
Speaker 1: be a really top top left tackle. It. I guess
Speaker 1: that's holds debate right about the trades and production of
Speaker 1: this process. You you value the phrase you more because
Speaker 1: you build like the perfect off. It's long with the penalties.
Speaker 1: How do you valance stay well? I think the one
Speaker 1: thing you got to remember about him is he played
Speaker 1: sixteen games. He had half a COVID year, and then
Speaker 1: he played last year. And he did play against some
Speaker 1: good competition. I'm playing against Ohio State, Oklahoma State, Cincinnati.
Speaker 1: You know, when you talk about Tulsa, you think, well,
Speaker 1: competition level of Colm. But I think there's a lot
Speaker 1: of things that you know, our coaching staff Mike and
Speaker 1: coach Philman and Blastgow will do to help him quickly.
Speaker 1: He's very intelligent young man. I think he'll pick it
Speaker 1: right up and he's gonna have top nights coaching, and
Speaker 1: h just feel very comfortable with that. In terms of
Speaker 1: the trade, I think, you know, when you're talking about
Speaker 1: a first round pick and what we could have gotten
Speaker 1: to move down, and Jerry is right, I happen to
Speaker 1: be good friends with the team that was calling. He
Speaker 1: sent me a tax right after we pay and said
Speaker 1: he glad you didn't trade with us. That was our guy.
Speaker 1: So um anyway, it's uh, you know, I think when
Speaker 1: you're talking about your first round pick, which you pick up,
Speaker 1: it's a good you know, resonates that you want to
Speaker 1: be careful. They're getting too cute in terms of moving down,
Speaker 1: you know, two, three, four or five picks. You gotta
Speaker 1: be careful with that. You know. He talked about the
Speaker 1: nasty or that y'all talk with the nast and set
Speaker 1: him as a player in talkas is that avocating memories
Speaker 1: of Eric Leavings for you. Oh well, he's one of
Speaker 1: the nastiest I've ever played through here. I mean lyle
Speaker 1: Collins had that to him and certainly, you know, we
Speaker 1: miss that, you know, we're gonna miss that with Lyle.
Speaker 1: But I think certainly he brings this to the table
Speaker 1: Smith does and uh, you know that was you know,
Speaker 1: at the top of the redeeming qualities and one of many.
Speaker 1: But certainly that's a big, big part of why we
Speaker 1: liked him. What did you learn about this mentally in
Speaker 1: terms of visibility to take the chine and go from
Speaker 1: the player that he's today is the player that you
Speaker 1: guys believe you one day. I think the biggest thing,
Speaker 1: I mean, I think we're all saying it is he
Speaker 1: has a tremendous ceiling. You know, he's a young man
Speaker 1: to what twenty years old, twenty one, you know, only
Speaker 1: played sixteen games. You know, some of his mistakes penalties
Speaker 1: and were of aggressive nature, so that those are the
Speaker 1: ones you're definitely you'd rather be done with combative, combative
Speaker 1: things that you can learn from. So but yeah, definitely, everything,
Speaker 1: like I said, everything checked out. I know Joe, Joe
Speaker 1: was very comfortable with him. I know the answer to
Speaker 1: this question, coach, because I talked to you about it.
Speaker 1: Is there a position on the entire football team that
Speaker 1: you have to project anymore, or that you have to
Speaker 1: develop anymore from college to prose than the offensive way.
Speaker 1: It's it's definitely that I'd say no that that demo quarterback,
Speaker 1: and especially I think the thing get recognize in this
Speaker 1: conversation Jerry and I had is in today's you know,
Speaker 1: offseason program, everything set up, the offensive lineman really are
Speaker 1: at a disadvantage because you know, they really don't get
Speaker 1: to really get the hand to hand combat until we
Speaker 1: get the training camp. So you know, you know, we
Speaker 1: talk about all those things. But he has a tremendous sailing.
Speaker 1: We're excited about that. But the minute you go offensive line,
Speaker 1: you've got to plan on. But I don't care what
Speaker 1: level he is. He's got some projection in him from
Speaker 1: the way he played in college. It's just a real
Speaker 1: different game in the offensive line to really effectively eliminate
Speaker 1: the kind of things that were great an offensive line
Speaker 1: about it one of them being mistakes and one of
Speaker 1: them being taken egg. So I don't care who you
Speaker 1: drafted offensive line, you've got some work to do. The
Speaker 1: last time you all dropped to the line in the
Speaker 1: first round, it was I heard one in four years
Speaker 1: the line was maybe even a little bit of a
Speaker 1: transition your building to what you ended up with. I
Speaker 1: forgot it if you like. The line is kind of
Speaker 1: at that point again where it's a little bit of
Speaker 1: a transition phase and you're sifting from what he had
Speaker 1: back then to what you're looking at Cornball. I think
Speaker 1: we're doing a nice job with it. I mean, one
Speaker 1: of the things we talked about after we made the
Speaker 1: pick is, you know, I think Mike was you know,
Speaker 1: verbalized it perfect. I mean, we look at Smith as
Speaker 1: being a left side position player, Ball as the right
Speaker 1: side position player who obviously we have a you know,
Speaker 1: a big resource in and we think a lot of him,
Speaker 1: and then we got Farniac in the middle. So it's
Speaker 1: you know, three young guys there that we really, uh
Speaker 1: you know, think a lot of and think are ready
Speaker 1: to you know, when their time comes to make that
Speaker 1: jump and you throw still in that mix and uh
Speaker 1: be Auditch and that mix. You know, it's a good
Speaker 1: group of young players. Now obviously you know zach and
Speaker 1: and Tyrn you know, you know, been in the league
Speaker 1: while and certainly the best in the business. But I
Speaker 1: do think you know, we've done We're doing a good
Speaker 1: job of getting the right pieces in place to be
Speaker 1: able to push those guys in as we move forward. Certainly,
Speaker 1: Connor McGovern's a young player as well, and you know
Speaker 1: he's going to get an opportunity to compete this year
Speaker 1: as well. But uh, you know, I really like how
Speaker 1: we're trainingsitioning, and but at the same time, I think
Speaker 1: we still have a chance to have, you know, a
Speaker 1: top top offensive line in this league. Important to that point,
Speaker 1: you just having the room in place we bring you
Speaker 1: guy like Tyler in terms of evans that just the
Speaker 1: coaches which the veterans forgo you can learn guys like
Speaker 1: hiring guys like that. How critical is that forty version development.
Speaker 1: It's awesome. I mean, that's that's what you want as
Speaker 1: a coach. And uh, we're very fortunate to have those
Speaker 1: those veteran players. And I think just as a whole
Speaker 1: our locker room, just spending some time with the leadership
Speaker 1: council this week on on a you know, on a
Speaker 1: couple of things that you know, to deal with the
Speaker 1: offseason program. This is a very very strong locker room,
Speaker 1: especially the offensive line room. Even you were saying the
Speaker 1: other day that you thought you had as many top
Speaker 1: of the second round grades on players. It was as
Speaker 1: deep as it's been in a while. As you win
Speaker 1: this first night, is that still a pretty good cluster
Speaker 1: there for you going into tomorrow? It's tempted out pretty good.
Speaker 1: I mean, when you only have fourteen first round picks
Speaker 1: and you know there's communication around the league. I don't
Speaker 1: think we were I think that was pretty much down
Speaker 1: the middle in terms of what other teams felt like
Speaker 1: they had in the first round. And so when that's
Speaker 1: what you have, what's coming next or those type of
Speaker 1: the second rounders, and you know they picked through us
Speaker 1: pretty good there. I mean, it was getting tight there
Speaker 1: at the end in terms of, you know, who was
Speaker 1: going to be available to us, in terms of when
Speaker 1: we picked at twenty four. Think of some of our
Speaker 1: competitors in their division what they did deceive me, because yeah,
Speaker 1: at least two picks before you guys, and they picked
Speaker 1: some great football players and then they got better. You know,
Speaker 1: I think all three teams in our division all got better.
Speaker 1: So you know, certainly the bars said high and we
Speaker 1: got to go to work. You see, defensive landing, go
Speaker 1: to your community. Me how much that even within this night,
Speaker 1: the possibility of going to the offensive play and I
Speaker 1: think it's critical. I think we've got to match that.
Speaker 1: I mean, look at what Philly did with the big
Speaker 1: tackle and Giants and you know with the pass rusher.
Speaker 1: I mean it's we've got you know, we've got to
Speaker 1: go to work there. And obviously that fronts always going
Speaker 1: to be a priority force both sides of the line. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, it's critical. That's where the football game. Coach
Speaker 1: McCarthy always says it. Uh, you know, that's when you
Speaker 1: get to play off football. That's where you got to
Speaker 1: be strong. Even when you say that your team got
Speaker 1: better as well, though, I mean, was this ane position
Speaker 1: and a guy that you said to come right in
Speaker 1: and start? You know, I don't want to put them
Speaker 1: come right in and start. I mean we've got a
Speaker 1: good competitive situation there, but I do think we got
Speaker 1: much better. Uh you know with this pick. I mean
Speaker 1: we've got still a lot of work to do. Eight
Speaker 1: draft picks left, but it's one player. But certainly we're
Speaker 1: very pleased with what we ended up with. Tyrants missed
Speaker 1: games and I think he's paid a full season since
Speaker 1: twenty fifteen. Did you have to start thinking about was
Speaker 1: now the right time to start thinking about his future
Speaker 1: and how you eventually have to replace him. Well, as
Speaker 1: you know, he's phenomenal, He's had had a great career,
Speaker 1: and we believe he's got a lot of tread left
Speaker 1: left Tyrant does. But to the end that we were
Speaker 1: able to come in here with this kind of potential
Speaker 1: talent and have somebody that we think can help us
Speaker 1: this year with this pick and basically mail in if
Speaker 1: you will, what Tyran is about, what Martin, what all
Speaker 1: of that particular statue is in the offensive line, it's
Speaker 1: a great place to be putting some talent in the
Speaker 1: middle of it, and it's a great talent to work with.
Speaker 1: And it would be a misnomer to think that if
Speaker 1: you had offensive line beside your name tonight for the
Speaker 1: Cowboys that you didn't have a little extra attention because
Speaker 1: it was. It feels good to have gotten a player
Speaker 1: of this caliber in with that team within a team
Speaker 1: offensive what it's good, this good move and we're proud
Speaker 1: of jaredy Hall stop. Stop, thanks guys, All right, wrapping up,
Speaker 1: let's go yes sir, yes, So we are back on
Speaker 1: the internet side of things. That was the post draft
Speaker 1: post first round press conference, with Will McClay, Jerry Jones,
Speaker 1: Stephen Jones, and Mike McCarthy back here on the Draft Show.
Speaker 1: He's David Hellman, He's Brian brought us Bobby Belt and
Speaker 1: Sean Shariffe have vacated their area. They've got one oh
Speaker 1: five three the fan duties, Sean in the morning and
Speaker 1: then Bobby on the fan for the rest of the night. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're exactly right. Sean's a trooper man. He's like to
Speaker 1: go from this and he's probably he's he's finished watching
Speaker 1: the MAVs game, and then he'll be up at like
Speaker 1: four AM to get that show ready. Good for you, Sean,
Speaker 1: You're a beast, and he's gonna be right back up
Speaker 1: here or did Sean won't be, but Bobby Belt will
Speaker 1: go until one and at one o'clock am, and then
Speaker 1: he'll turn around and be right back up here for
Speaker 1: our coverage starting at six o'clock Central time tomorrow. We
Speaker 1: will be on one oh five three to fan and
Speaker 1: on the Dallas Cowboys dot Com side of things as well. Brian,
Speaker 1: let's wrap up Night one. It was unexpected, to say
Speaker 1: the least, from picks one through twenty three, and it
Speaker 1: really provided a tough situation for the Cowboys. At pick
Speaker 1: twenty four, they select Tyler Smith, offensive tackle slash offensive
Speaker 1: lineman overall from Tulsa. What are your thoughts on the night?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? When I look at my
Speaker 1: excuse me, when I look at my board and how
Speaker 1: I have it ranked, that's this is me. And again
Speaker 1: I put my board out there for everybody to see.
Speaker 1: You can go on my Twitter, Dave. I need to
Speaker 1: send it to you so you can maybe. Yeah, I'll
Speaker 1: get it printed out for you to print out right
Speaker 1: so everybody can see it the right way. But you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't have this guy as high as everybody else,
Speaker 1: you know. And and we and we and this was
Speaker 1: one of those things where I'm watching him play and
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about technique. We talk about the holdings and
Speaker 1: stuff like that, you know. But I that's my evaluation
Speaker 1: of him, you know. And I'm admitted I was wrong
Speaker 1: about Travis Frederick. You know, the same exact things that
Speaker 1: I think about, Oh, third round, Travis Frederick always not this,
Speaker 1: not that whatever, you know. And then Travis Frederick is
Speaker 1: an all pro player, you know, And I am I
Speaker 1: concerned about the some of the lack of the technique. Yes,
Speaker 1: am I concerned about some of the holding calls, Yes
Speaker 1: I am, you know, but we'll see, We'll see. He
Speaker 1: is a big, powerful man that's got is a very
Speaker 1: good athlete, you know, and if they can, if they
Speaker 1: can work with that. I wouldn't say that immediately he's
Speaker 1: going to be plug and play. I think there's going
Speaker 1: to be some some things along the way that he's
Speaker 1: going to have to learn and get better at it.
Speaker 1: But you know that that's what they needed. They're they're
Speaker 1: looking at offensive lineman, they're looking at guards. They had
Speaker 1: him a lot higher than I had him on my board.
Speaker 1: So am I happy about them? They got who they wanted. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was me like I say, I'm kind of looking
Speaker 1: at the board like Tyler Lindenbaum, you know, some others.
Speaker 1: But they weren't going to take those guys. See that's
Speaker 1: again my board. Am I happy about it? From what
Speaker 1: I saw? No, I felt like they took a third
Speaker 1: round player. That's you know, That's how I see. But
Speaker 1: to them, that know, and they don't give a rats
Speaker 1: you know what about what I think? Either, they really don't.
Speaker 1: They don't. They don't care about it, you know, And
Speaker 1: and you know what, I'm I'm interested to see how
Speaker 1: he comes in and plugs and play. And my hope
Speaker 1: for Cowboy fans is that he is a guy that
Speaker 1: is is this is this drafts uh, Travis Frederick where
Speaker 1: I'm really really wrong about the player. Hometown kid, Fort
Speaker 1: Worth native, went to North Crowley High School, and now
Speaker 1: he is a part of the Dallas Cowboys. And it
Speaker 1: makes things interesting on the offensive line moving into the
Speaker 1: training camp in the latter parts of this offseason, moving
Speaker 1: into the preseason, because there's competition there. Now, Yeah, well
Speaker 1: that would smiss a part of it. It's irrelevant how
Speaker 1: good he is right now because we have no way
Speaker 1: of knowing. Like, we'll argue about this all summer, we'll
Speaker 1: go to training camp, we'll see how he does. So
Speaker 1: like and this is just the way I view things, Brian,
Speaker 1: you know, like all these years, I always I'm just like,
Speaker 1: I'm really more focused on the strategy than like the grade,
Speaker 1: and so I just look, I'm like, Okay, they said
Speaker 1: they had no musts. I tend to not believe it
Speaker 1: because this is what they did in the for a month.
Speaker 1: I think that's what their goal was all the way around. Now,
Speaker 1: they've got a guy that they think can push for
Speaker 1: the starting guard job and be an insurance policy at tackle.
Speaker 1: And so now we check that. I don't think I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna say you don't need to worry about O line,
Speaker 1: but I don't think we need to be hunting O
Speaker 1: linemen tomorrow. And now you can talk about receivers, you
Speaker 1: can talk about tight ends, you can talk about edge rushers.
Speaker 1: That's where mind mind goes because I've gotten in way
Speaker 1: too many arguments on Thursday night after the first round
Speaker 1: about guys that we were wildly right on and wildly
Speaker 1: wrong on. Like it almost feels like a waste of breath.
Speaker 1: It's like, Okay, this was the pick. It's not what
Speaker 1: a lot of people would have done. We'll see how
Speaker 1: it pans out. Yeah, I again, that's that these this
Speaker 1: is what was crazy about their draft, or not the
Speaker 1: Cowboys draft, but just the draft overall. You know, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm looking at my board. I had one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven.
Speaker 1: I had eleven players taken out of the second round,
Speaker 1: and then I had a player taken out of the third,
Speaker 1: which was Smith. And then you look at what the
Speaker 1: Patriots did you know was strange I had in the
Speaker 1: fourth you know, so this was one of those drafts
Speaker 1: that was kind of crazy in that way that maybe
Speaker 1: you know that that you know, and I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know if they the fact that they I
Speaker 1: don't know if if it's true or not about that
Speaker 1: they had Smith over Johnson and Green. You know, I
Speaker 1: kind of find that a little bit hard to believe.
Speaker 1: Hard to believe, but again, that's their board. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: have my board. They have their board. You know, their
Speaker 1: board matters more than my board. And I'm glad you
Speaker 1: brought that up because a lot of people on Twitter,
Speaker 1: and deservedly so, are saying the word reach. They felt
Speaker 1: like he reached on Tyler Smith. And in your opinion, yes,
Speaker 1: and in our opinion to a certain extent, yes, Brian
Speaker 1: said it already. It's a third round player on his board.
Speaker 1: He was a second round player on my board. They
Speaker 1: thought that we think that's a reach to them, that
Speaker 1: might not be a reach. They may have gotten their guy.
Speaker 1: It's it's in beauties in the guye of the beholder.
Speaker 1: They know the player more than we do to a
Speaker 1: certain except they worked him out at Tulsa. They were
Speaker 1: at his pro day. He's a hometown product. They had
Speaker 1: plenty private So the next time an NFL team doesn't
Speaker 1: get their guy, I'll be the first time. Though. I agree,
Speaker 1: by the way, that's the second and second part about it,
Speaker 1: that that makes sense. And they'll get two more of
Speaker 1: their guys tomorrow. Yeah, they'll get up to and they'll say,
Speaker 1: we could not believe that so and so and so
Speaker 1: and so were there, but here we are just having
Speaker 1: the best luck of all time. I mean, that's kind
Speaker 1: of how this thing works. But no, I, like I said,
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm like, I've done this too many times
Speaker 1: to just emphatically think it was a good or bad decision.
Speaker 1: But when you snapshot this thing, when we're here years
Speaker 1: from now talking about this, it'll be this three pick
Speaker 1: stretch right here, number twenty four to number twenty six,
Speaker 1: Tyler Smith, actually no, to twenty seventh. There, Tyler Smith,
Speaker 1: Tyler Linderbaum, Jermaine Johnson, Devin Lloyd. That's how this draft.
Speaker 1: Those were all three players that I had. I had
Speaker 1: two of the three in the first round. Lloyd was
Speaker 1: my seventh best overall player, Linderbaum was at ten, you know,
Speaker 1: and then with Johnson. I had he was the He
Speaker 1: was my top rated player in the second in the
Speaker 1: second round. So yeah, And you know that's the great
Speaker 1: thing about this is we come on, we talk about it,
Speaker 1: we analyze this, and I hadn't been in a war
Speaker 1: room in a long time. I'm just looking at the players.
Speaker 1: I'm just taking the best, the best tape I can
Speaker 1: get and watching this guy. They have a hell of
Speaker 1: a lot more about this guy. And the one thing
Speaker 1: they've proven to me is they could take first round
Speaker 1: lineman and make it work. So that's my hope. That's
Speaker 1: my hope. I'd be more than happy to admit some
Speaker 1: day at the Lake that I was dead ass wrong
Speaker 1: about this guy. You know that I had a third
Speaker 1: round grade. But I do see a big man. I
Speaker 1: do see a guy that plays that does a great
Speaker 1: job in the run game as far as getting pushed.
Speaker 1: But I think there's some things technically that he's going
Speaker 1: to have to clean up in this league. I just
Speaker 1: think we spend so much time hyping this up and
Speaker 1: it takes a whole year to come back around. We
Speaker 1: always forget, we get lost in the hype of the draft.
Speaker 1: I think the Cowboys draft grades are guidelines. You know,
Speaker 1: they had a higher grade on Micah than the cornerbacks
Speaker 1: last year, but they were going to take a cornerback
Speaker 1: above him jumping tags, I guess. And I don't know
Speaker 1: what their board looks like right now. They say that,
Speaker 1: they say that he had a first round grade. I
Speaker 1: don't know if I buy that. Maybe he really was
Speaker 1: the highest grade left or maybe he filled the role
Speaker 1: that they circled before the draft is what they needed
Speaker 1: to do. They did a really good job of keeping
Speaker 1: that a secret from people. Unless kept it closes. This
Speaker 1: is as good as a job as they've done. Unless
Speaker 1: on top of it, you know, and maybe maybe somebody
Speaker 1: like and I'm not gonna say mil kiper got lucky,
Speaker 1: you know, got lucky here, because there's some people that
Speaker 1: picked They picked Tyler Smith, you know, in this in
Speaker 1: this draft, and you know, I'm impressed if you you know,
Speaker 1: I mentioned lanz Zerline picking you know, Kenyan Green at
Speaker 1: Texas A and m at you know, thirteen fourteen, whatever
Speaker 1: that pick was. So I mean, some of these guys,
Speaker 1: you know, they knew what was going on. And I'm
Speaker 1: not saying that mil kiper knew what was going on,
Speaker 1: but maybe that was a player. He thought, well, heck,
Speaker 1: I gotta put an offensive lineman too, Dallas, and I
Speaker 1: got all these other guys gone. You know, that might
Speaker 1: be just filling in the spots right there. But hey,
Speaker 1: I hope I do. I hope he works out very,
Speaker 1: very well for the Cowboys. I have my doubts, but again,
Speaker 1: that is a big, big, big man. That's an athlete.
Speaker 1: Congratulations to Tyler Smith. He was the twenty fourth overall selection,
Speaker 1: the newest Dallas Cowboy. We got to talk to him
Speaker 1: a little bit earlier on one oh five three the Fan.
Speaker 1: We'll also have two more draft picks at the moment tomorrow.
Speaker 1: There could be some chance for more draft picks along
Speaker 1: the way. They've got four fifth round picks they could
Speaker 1: play around with. Maybe they jump back in to the
Speaker 1: third round and make something happen. But that's gonna do
Speaker 1: it for us here on Night one of the twenty
Speaker 1: twenty two NFL Draft Special Thanks to everybody who's helped
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