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Speaker 1: Coolzon Media. Hello, sixteenth minute listeners. Jamie here with a

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Speaker 1: special announcement. I am going to be going on tour

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Speaker 1: across the US in just a couple of weeks to

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Speaker 1: promote the paperback release of my book Raw Dog, The

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Speaker 1: that is strictly about the history of hot dogs from

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Speaker 1: a leftist perspective, meaning that I love hot dogs, but

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Speaker 1: we have to talk about how they're produced and the

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Speaker 1: be going around the country going to independent bookstores and

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Speaker 1: giving free chats about the books. If you want to

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Speaker 1: May thirty first. I will be releasing other dates as

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Speaker 1: the summer goes on, so feel free to reach out

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Speaker 1: and complain. I love it. You can reserve your tickets

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Speaker 1: for free at the link in the description. I'm really

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Speaker 1: looking forward to seeing you, and of course I am

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Speaker 1: wearing a little outfit. Okay, enjoy the episode's.

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Speaker 2: Joy sixteen.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to sixteenth Minute, the podcast where we talk

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Speaker 1: to the Internet's main characters to see how their moment

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Speaker 1: in the spotlight affected them and what that says about

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Speaker 1: us and the Internet. And just when you thought the

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Speaker 1: story of Haley Welch aka Hawked to a Girl, the

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Speaker 1: main character of twenty twenty four, had made her grand

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Speaker 1: exit from the public consciousness, well, this is the consequence

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Speaker 1: of me covering main characters of recent history. It's never true.

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Speaker 1: I'm always wrong. There's more to say. So this is

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Speaker 1: the first episode that we've done of this kind, but

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Speaker 1: it's one that I felt was necessary because earlier this

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Speaker 1: year I did a multiple part series on Hailey Welch,

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Speaker 1: who went viral last year in a way that is

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Speaker 1: barely possible anymore after being featured without her consent, as

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Speaker 1: we get into in that series on a Man on

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Speaker 1: the Street YouTube slash TikTok channel, in which she became

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Speaker 1: famous for saying, you must.

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Speaker 3: Given that hawk dude spent all that night.

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Speaker 1: And is she wrong? But for all of what followed,

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Speaker 1: the clickbait fame followed by the modern template of what

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Speaker 1: it was a lot and it kind of sucked. But

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Speaker 1: for those who listened to that series a few months ago,

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Speaker 1: we have, as you know, undergone a million historical catastrophes

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Speaker 1: since then, and so I do want to just refresh

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Speaker 1: your mind a little bit. So come with me if

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Speaker 1: you dare to December twenty twenty four. Fortunately, we have

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Speaker 1: been here recently, not just in calendar linear time, but

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Speaker 1: few weeks in our Doctor Ali Luke's episode. But this

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Speaker 1: Haley Welch series. To summarize, twenty one year old Haley

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Speaker 1: Welch went to the Broadway District in Nashville, Tennessee, Tennessee

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Speaker 1: And while they asked this question to men women, and

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Speaker 1: While most of these women answered with a version of

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Speaker 1: that woman was Hailey Welch, whose interaction with Tim and

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Speaker 2: But all that time here.

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Speaker 1: And what Haley experiences from this moment on is uniquely

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Speaker 1: brothers with very dark spirits. I, of course, am referring

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Speaker 1: to the Paul brothers specifically Jake.

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Speaker 5: Paul, we need to change from Kamala Harris to the

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Speaker 5: Republican candidate Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: Who is the younger brother of Logan Paul. Do you

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Speaker 1: give a fight, you brother?

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Speaker 6: Not in real life.

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Speaker 2: You've practiced a little bit.

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Speaker 6: Never We've never even sparred. But I was willing to

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Speaker 6: step in from Mike Tyson when Tyson got sick, and

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Speaker 6: we actually ran it up the chain in that flot.

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Speaker 1: Who I promised to mention as little as humanly possible

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Speaker 1: in this episode, But they just weasele their way into

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Speaker 1: so many corners of Internet history. Since we have last

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Speaker 1: with THEO Vaughn kill me, Kill me with a gun.

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Speaker 1: But Jake Paul, who brought Haley Welch and her best

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Speaker 1: crew that had assembled consisting of managers, publicists, lawyers. The

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Speaker 1: list goes on onto the Better Network, a podcasting slash

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Speaker 1: sports betting application. Jake Paul knows the online fame game

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Speaker 1: better than nearly anybody. The polls were a big part

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Speaker 1: of observing this major change in what influencing looked like.

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Speaker 1: They started on Vine, an app that no longer exists.

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Speaker 1: They moved to La when that was the thing to do.

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Speaker 1: They pioneered the idea of moving a bunch of influencers

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Speaker 4: Wow, I never thought I would say this.

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Speaker 2: Well, welcome home Jake.

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Speaker 1: Paller's we made it, Mom, we flipped made it.

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Speaker 4: Good morning, Jake Pollish.

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Speaker 1: What flippant gouc chan.

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Speaker 2: Today is off to a relating stock. We're moving into

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Speaker 2: the new team ten.

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Speaker 1: It is genuinely hard to find a douchebag influencer thing

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Speaker 1: that these men have not done. In the mid twenty tens,

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Speaker 1: they were doing bad rap battles with their fellow influencers.

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Speaker 1: They shamelessly hawked merch. But as the first Trump administration

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Speaker 1: And I think you'll recognize what I'm talking about here,

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Speaker 1: the new influencer grift, which consists of this sinister blend

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Speaker 1: of bad long video podcasts, weird products marketed at children,

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Speaker 1: pivoting to a hard republican out of nowhere, pay per view, boxing,

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Speaker 1: sports gambling apps, and of course cryptocurrency. So By the

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Speaker 1: time Haley Welch came along, Jake Paul wasn't just a

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Speaker 1: Paul was so busy with being a right wing influencer

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Speaker 1: And this is the path to fame monetization that Hailey

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Speaker 1: a video podcast that strictly featured guests with massive social

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Speaker 1: media followings and usually video podcasts of their own. This

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Speaker 1: is objectively a really good name for that podcast, but

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Speaker 1: that doesn't mean that it was a good podcast necessarily.

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Speaker 1: Haley at the beginning is very uncomfortable on Mike, and

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Speaker 1: that is not a criticism of her she literally became

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Speaker 3: Make sure you hit follow on Talk to Her wherever

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Speaker 3: you get your podcast. We're releasing episodes every Tuesday. And

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Speaker 3: for those of you watching on YouTube, be sure you like,

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Speaker 3: comment and subscribe.

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Speaker 1: Subscribe to that thing. No Riz, but this podcast, of

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Speaker 1: course gets a lot of press because of how close

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Speaker 1: even spawns an irony pilled reaction podcast called Talking Talk TOUA.

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Speaker 5: Welcome to Talking Talk Toua, the official Companion podcast to

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Speaker 5: Talk to A.

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Speaker 6: I'm Peter and I'm Cam and we're your hosts.

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Speaker 7: Here to the only official Companion podcast.

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Speaker 1: So Talk to A does what it was supposed to do,

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Speaker 1: get a lot of attention and sell Jake Paul's Better

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Speaker 1: Crypto sports gambling app to her relatively young audience, even

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Speaker 1: if the ad reads left some to be desired.

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Speaker 3: Do you want to make fifty thousand dollars on the

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Speaker 3: biggest fight of the year, The Jake Paul Mike Tyson

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Speaker 3: Fight is finally here and better is giving you a

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Speaker 3: chance to swim up to fifty thousand dollars simply by

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Speaker 3: answering five questions about the fight. All you gotta do

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Speaker 3: is download better.

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Speaker 1: I'm sold, but it's only a matter of time before

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Speaker 1: Haley Welch's team was approached about starting a meme coin

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Speaker 1: on their own. They were already so adjacent to crypto,

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Speaker 1: and they were approached by a man named Doc Hollywood.

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Speaker 1: I'm not joking to use a service called pump dot fun.

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Speaker 1: that allows influencers to mint their own crypto coin and

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Speaker 1: asked Haley on Twitter is this you? Is this your team?

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Speaker 1: She's very into crypto.

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Speaker 3: It's me, bitch, what do you fucking mean?

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Speaker 1: absolutely not running the Twitter crypto meme account because she

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Speaker 5: Hey, this is one of the most miserable, horrible launches

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Speaker 4: You see, she posted a real inviting Trey Young to

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Speaker 1: Outside of a Twitter post saying that she is completely

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Speaker 4: Trump just launched a meame coin.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the void.

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Speaker 5: It is not how I wanted to start my twenty

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Speaker 5: twenty five Let me tell you that right now. Here's

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Speaker 5: the tweet my new Donald Trump official meme is. Here's

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Speaker 5: time to celebrate everything we stand for winning. Join my

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Speaker 1: The story within the story that a lot of people

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Speaker 8: Pastor Lorenzo Sewell, Let's talk about him. He is from

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Speaker 8: one eighty Church in West Detroit. The town's newspaper had

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Speaker 1: This is Pastor Lorenzo Sewell, and in this video he

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Speaker 9: I need to do me a favor.

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Speaker 10: Right now, I need you to go buy the official

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Speaker 4: Would you help me?

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Speaker 10: Would you help us in this endeavor? Would you go

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Speaker 1: With the state of the world being what it is.

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Speaker 1: This is a thirty five year old man named Fase Banks,

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Speaker 6: And then you get booted out of the Fays House

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Speaker 1: going to get out of this predicament with her business

437
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:01,360
Speaker 1: relationship with Jake Paul intact, which is a nice way

438
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,400
Speaker 1: of saying, whether Jake Paul and company thought they could

439
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,919
Speaker 1: make any more money off of her. It seemed unlikely

440
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:11,439
Speaker 1: that Talk TOA was ever going to return on the

441
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:15,239
Speaker 1: Better Network, but I still didn't know why that was.

442
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 1: This became clear in early February when news dropped that

443
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:24,879
Speaker 1: made it clear that not only had Team Hawk decided

444
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 1: against engaging with my sorry ass in spite of the

445
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:32,359
Speaker 1: fact that I bravely paid for their ugly, uncomfortable hat,

446
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:35,399
Speaker 1: thank you very much, but this news also offered an

447
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 1: explanation as to why the Jake Paul relationship fell apart.

448
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 1: I present you the evidence, a leaked, unreleased episode of

449
00:28:45,720 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 1: Talk TOUA about the crypto scandal. Maybe so. It's a

450
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 1: little unclear exactly when this was filmed, but I would

451
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 1: assume it was sometime in January twenty twenty five. They

452
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 1: are still on the Better Network. Talked to a set

453
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 1: with guests and I hate to say that he's back already.

454
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 1: It is Phase Banks. And while Phase Banks is a

455
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 1: total scumbag who is fully in Jake Paul's orbit, his

456
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 1: being chosen as the guest is not without reason because

457
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 1: while he could at best be described as a crypto

458
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 1: enthusiast who hasn't been under federal investigation in the last

459
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 1: two calendar years, Phase Banks was actually on that famous

460
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 1: Twitter space's press conference, the same press conference that Haileywold

461
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 1: said and who I'm gonna go to bed, the same

462
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 1: press conferen prince that coffee z Illa used to essentially

463
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 1: take down the scam in the first place. He was there.

464
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Speaker 1: Here's a clip of him from that moment, responding to

465
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Speaker 1: one of the Hawkcoin crypto guys.

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Speaker 9: Hayley, I'm gonna talk to you directly right now, because

467
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 9: if you really own ten percent of the supply of

468
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 9: this token and it's locked up for a year and

469
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 9: it's bested over three years, you got scammed harder than

470
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 9: anybody involved. This one hundred percent was a mismanaged mislaunched

471
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 9: like this. This is took what coffee Zilla said. I

472
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 9: would label this as scam as well.

473
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Speaker 1: So in some ways, FaZe Banks's initial criticism of the

474
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 1: hawkcoin scam could make Haley's team putting him on the

475
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 1: show look like an attempt to make her seem like

476
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 1: she's willing to engage with detractors. Of course, this isn't

477
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 1: actually true. FaZe Banks is just another crypto guy, and

478
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 1: like a lot of crypto guys, he is someone who

479
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 1: was involved in any number of alternatively loserish or scary

480
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 1: activities prior to being a crypto guy. Not only does

481
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 1: he stem from the same generation of millennial influencer vloggers

482
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 1: turned crypto dirt bags like Jake Paul Bayes, Banks also

483
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 1: has a long standing relationship positive and negative with the

484
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Speaker 1: Paul Brothers, including some romantic history that I cannot commit

485
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 1: to memory to save my life, and after getting into crypto,

486
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 1: developed plenty of experience feigning neutral authority over some bullshit

487
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 1: he's selling like crypto And don't worry, he has been

488
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 1: accused of assaulting a woman. He's a terrible person, So

489
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 1: two things need to be true here, folks. He is

490
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:46,239
Speaker 1: a scumbag, and he is the kind of guy who

491
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 1: would be happy to publicly forgive a crypto scam because

492
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 1: he's the kind of guy to do a crypto scam.

493
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 1: The podcast episode starts like this.

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Speaker 3: Oh, guys, I'm back with another episode to Talk two,

495
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 3: and I'm here with Banks.

496
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 6: There he is.

497
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 3: How's it going?

498
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 6: It's going good. Life's crazy right now. I don't know.

499
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 6: I say no to every single fucking podcast, ongoing joke

500
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 6: on Impulsive that I stood them up four or five times.

501
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 6: This isn't necessarily my thing, but you're in an interesting

502
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 6: position right now, and I feel like it's my duty

503
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 6: to come on here and talk to you. You seem

504
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 6: like a sweet enough girl, and I feel like I

505
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 6: know more or less what happened with you. We're gonna

506
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 6: get into all that. I brought a couple of crypto

507
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 6: nerds with me. We're gonna sit down and talk.

508
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 4: H me.

509
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, No, I feel good. How do you feel?

510
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 1: I don't know.

511
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 3: I'm so a little shock up about it.

512
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 1: And I was able to pull this audio from a

513
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 1: re upload of this interview. It's forty minutes long, but

514
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 1: technically this was never formally released on the Talk to

515
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 1: a YouTube channel because it shouldn't have been released until

516
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 1: after the SEC investigation was closed, per in agreement that

517
00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 1: the Hawk team had with the phase Banks team, and

518
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 1: at the time this was recorded and leaked, the SEC

519
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 1: investigation was very much not over according to Banks, and

520
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 1: who wouldn't trust Faye's Banks. Haley's team intentionally leaked this

521
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 1: interview to get some sympathy and potentially to push and

522
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 1: benefit from some insider training on the coin, assuming that

523
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 1: the interview would be positively received in the public. I

524
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 1: do believe that. But by February the interview was out

525
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 1: there and Haley's team mysteriously didn't seem to have a

526
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 1: vested interest in getting it offline. So I have seen

527
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 1: this episode and there are some things I want to

528
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 1: share with you about it. The approach. Haley had no

529
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 1: idea what was happening. It's all Doc Hollywood's fault, and

530
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 1: she is like, so very sorry, Please trust her again.

531
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Speaker 3: I'm saying thank you to all my true fans and

532
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 3: all the people that actually watch my stuff and they

533
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 3: keep up with me. We're trying to sort out all

534
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 3: the pieces and stuff to like get all this figured

535
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 3: out and make everything right. Oh my god, I'm gonna cry.

536
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 3: It was supposed to be like a what do they

537
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 3: call it? A long term coin, and the guy that

538
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:18,799
Speaker 3: ran the account he was like, Oh, we're gonna change

539
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 3: like the way everybody thinks a crypto. Crypto is gonna

540
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 3: be a good place. And I feel really bad for

541
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 3: all the people that got affected by it, and it

542
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:26,800
Speaker 3: just didn't go the way I planned.

543
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 1: And I know you're gonna call me a sucker, but

544
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 1: I do believe some of what Haley is expressing emotionally here.

545
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 1: You don't have to care. But given that, if you

546
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,239
Speaker 1: know about this young woman, and I talked about and

547
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 1: spent a lot of time with literally everything she said

548
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 1: in the public in the previous series, this is the

549
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:49,360
Speaker 1: same person who locked herself inside for two weeks after

550
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,879
Speaker 1: going viral without giving her consent, and so the fact

551
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:56,759
Speaker 1: that Haley was mortified and scared after the hawk Coin

552
00:34:56,840 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 1: scandal does make sense to me, regardless of what I

553
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:05,280
Speaker 1: felt was at least partial emotional sincerity on her part.

554
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 1: What's clear here is that this episode is going to

555
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:13,240
Speaker 1: be an attempt to retcon all of the bad press

556
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:17,360
Speaker 1: that this whole cryptoscam is caused and intends to distance

557
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 1: Haley from it. And again, as phase Banks later says,

558
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 1: the episode was not to be released until he approved

559
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 1: and the investigation was closed and it's not just a

560
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 1: roundabout apology ish excuse for how everything went down. According

561
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 1: to Phase Banks and the three extremely random aging hype

562
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 1: beasts that he brought with him, they're still defending crypto

563
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 1: and they are encouraging Haley to do crypto the right

564
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,360
Speaker 1: way this time. It is nuts.

565
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,799
Speaker 6: Basically, what Frank just said in normal people terms is

566
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 6: you take every that you made on this and you

567
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 6: mark it by this token, and you lock it up,

568
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 6: you walk away from it. You don't ever see that money,

569
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 6: you can never touch it again. And you say, I'm

570
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 6: not gonna maybe I'm not going to talk about this

571
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 6: every day, whatever whatever, but I'm going to stand on business.

572
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 6: I put my face on this. I'm accepting the responsibility

573
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 6: of this happened, and hopefully you know, everybody is made

574
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 6: whole at some point where you guys do what you

575
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 6: want with this. At this point, this is me kind

576
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 6: of like you know what I mean, And what that

577
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 6: does is it kind of shows your intentions, right, Like

578
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 6: I just want I just want to do right by

579
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 6: by this and everybody who participated in this, et cetera.

580
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 1: Throughout this, Haley is sitting there and nodding, but as

581
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 1: the podcast continues. Phase Banks and the random aging highe

582
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 1: beasts are more talking to Haley's off screen lawyer than her,

583
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 1: and it is very, very awkward to watch. They mentioned

584
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 1: in the interview that Phase Banks spoke to coffee Zilla

585
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 1: ahead of the interview and wants to present a number

586
00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 1: of questions that coffee Zilla passed along. And I guess

587
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 1: I'm glad that he spoke to an actual journalist, But

588
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 1: this whole time, Phase Banks is sort of posturing as

589
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 1: if he is a journalist and not who he is.

590
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 1: It just feels worth restating I.

591
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 6: Use that opportunity. I got investigated by the SEC for

592
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 6: fucking like two years over this. It costs me way

593
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 6: more money than I made. It was one of the

594
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 6: most miserable experiences of my life because because that moment

595
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 6: got me into crypto.

596
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 1: Which leaves me with the question what. But this is

597
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 1: clearly a very softball interview that is also intended to

598
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 1: push crypto. Phase Banks and the random guys are moralizing

599
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 1: and the grift is strong. They have it both ways.

600
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 1: They forgive Hayley, as it were, on behalf of other

601
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:50,239
Speaker 1: crypto scammers who have gotten away with it and got

602
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:54,799
Speaker 1: better at scamming I guess, and they're ostensibly asking her

603
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 1: to get better at scamming for next time. This is

604
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:00,280
Speaker 1: something that they describe.

605
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 6: As stand on business.

606
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 1: There is a real menace about the phrase standing on business.

607
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 1: Never trust someone who claims to stand on business. So

608
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 1: while this interview is teeming with bullshit, the impression of

609
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 1: the episode was that if it had been released as

610
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 1: promised after the investigation closed and fase Bank's team approved it,

611
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 1: both parties would have felt that it was mutually beneficial.

612
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 1: But the episode quote unquote leaked, and we'll get into

613
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 1: what we mean by that. But before we knew anything

614
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:41,800
Speaker 1: about the circumstances of the leak, Hewleitzer Prize winning reporter

615
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:47,839
Speaker 1: bays Banks was sure what had happened, he tweets.

616
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 7: So, in an attempt to hear Haley Welch's side of

617
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 7: the crypto scam story, I agreed to do her first

618
00:38:55,080 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 7: podcast back. I had heavy stipulations, including one, not allowing

619
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:04,720
Speaker 7: markets to be manipulated by leaking this episode's existence before

620
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 7: a resolution was found. Two, her team finding a real

621
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 7: solution regarding the money she made, where that should go,

622
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,720
Speaker 7: and what to do with the Hawk project moving forward.

623
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Speaker 7: These were non starters, and we were told this episode

624
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 7: would only ever see the light of day if we

625
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 7: explicitly green lit it. These incompetent leaked and or inside

626
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 7: traded the token. We noticed a random spike and volume

627
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:36,840
Speaker 7: on the coin too too, along with random messages asking

628
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:41,240
Speaker 7: us if we did the podcast. Very clearly her team

629
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 7: was not as solid as they claimed to be. They

630
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 7: completely blew it, and we called the episode off right

631
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 7: then and there. Now, today the episode randomly gets leaked.

632
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 7: The price of Hawk is pumping, and they completely fucking

633
00:39:56,680 --> 00:40:01,840
Speaker 7: fumbled the bag yet again. What a fuck mess. Poor girl.

634
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 7: It's wonder how she found herself in this position in

635
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:07,760
Speaker 7: the first place. Now, Haley Welch, I'm going to speak

636
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 7: to you direct and say the exact same thing I

637
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 7: said to you on spaces that night. Fire Everybody, your

638
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:18,400
Speaker 7: team's fucking the bleeps.

639
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 1: There are not swear words, they are in fact slur words.

640
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:26,440
Speaker 1: Fuck Phase banks. But what really sticks out to me

641
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 1: about this leaked episode isn't that this was the botched

642
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:34,839
Speaker 1: ending to an attempted apology tour, but that the Hawk

643
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:38,759
Speaker 1: TUA team seemed so convinced that this was going to

644
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 1: work that not only did they have to weather accusations

645
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 1: of insider trading. They also kept an ad they recorded

646
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 1: for sports betting app game Time inside of the leaked episode.

647
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:55,400
Speaker 1: The apology was monetized.

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00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 3: All Right, you guys only got one sponsor left because

649
00:40:58,200 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 3: there are some real wins and they've stuck with me

650
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 3: since every bit of this started. Game Time believes in me, y'all,

651
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 3: and I believe in them.

652
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 1: Game Time's more loyal than most of y'all's man's out here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, some of those guys just leave at the first

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Speaker 3: opportunity they get, not game Time.

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Speaker 1: So suffice it to say, the leak does not go well,

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Speaker 1: and it's unsurprising that one of the first people to

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Speaker 1: comment on this whole fiasco is coffee Zilla. He releases

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Speaker 1: a second and to date final video addressing the hawkcoin

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Speaker 1: crypto scandal more or less right after all of this

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Speaker 1: happens and the face Banks episode is leaked, and he

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Speaker 1: puts a lot of context about the leak and research

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Speaker 1: he had been doing behind the scenes into the video.

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Speaker 5: Talk to a Girl's Back with a released podcast that

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Speaker 5: was immediately disavowed by nearly everyone in it, who said, oh,

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Speaker 5: we think there might have been inside of trading involved.

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Speaker 2: The podcast was not supposed to.

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Speaker 5: Go live, they fit it up every step of the way.

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Speaker 2: They leaked the podcast, and then they posted it.

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Speaker 6: When it was supposed to be canceled. They stopped twice,

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Speaker 6: and the third was the launch itself.

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Speaker 1: Because coffee Zilla is capable and willing to actually do research,

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Speaker 1: there is a lot of useful information in this first

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Speaker 1: that Phase Banks did reach out to coffee Zilla. Imagine

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Speaker 1: saying that to someone in seventeen eighty two, but Phase

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Speaker 1: Banks reached out to coffee Zilla to see if he

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Speaker 1: could pass along some of his questions, and apparently within

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Speaker 1: the interview, Phase Banks tried to but none of them

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Speaker 1: were answered to his satisfaction or even appeared in the

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Speaker 1: edited leak video that came out. And I would assume

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Speaker 1: that the reason Phase Banks did that is because it

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Speaker 1: turns out coffee Zilla was Hailey Welch's team's first choice

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Speaker 1: for a returning guest on Talk TOUA, likely because having

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Speaker 1: the sound clips of the person who most successfully blew

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Speaker 1: up your crypto scam coming onto your turf could have

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Speaker 1: been a good look for her. But coffee Zilla, after

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Speaker 1: being reached out to by Haley's lawyer, said no he

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Speaker 1: explains why.

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Speaker 5: Here I want to go through it because yes, we

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Speaker 5: do get mentioned in it, sort of as the Boogeyman

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Speaker 5: of crypto. We're going to get you. If you rug

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Speaker 5: a coin, you know we might come after you.

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Speaker 3: Coffee Zilla got on there, scary guy. Let me tell you,

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Speaker 3: don't ever want to have a conversation with him.

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Speaker 5: WHOA don't ever want to have a conversation with me. Guys,

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Speaker 5: I'm not intimidating. I don't know what's the problem here.

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Speaker 1: What he goes on to explain, and I'll link this

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Speaker 1: video in the description because if I have to understand

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Speaker 1: another crypto concept, my brain is going to start leaking

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Speaker 1: out of my nose. But what coffee Zilla says is

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Speaker 1: that he fuws both the leak and the content of

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Speaker 1: the interview to be very insidious for a couple reasons. First, because,

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Speaker 1: as fhase Banks offensively explained, he and his three Crypto

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Speaker 1: Musketeers were told that they would have to give the

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Speaker 1: okay for the episode to be released, and after they

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Speaker 1: got wind of potential inside trading within Haley's team, they

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Speaker 1: didn't want to release the episode. Because I'll remind you,

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Speaker 1: just before this video was leaked it appeared that someone

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Speaker 1: with insider information started reinflating or pumping the value for hapcoin,

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Speaker 1: again assuming that the episode's release would increase its value,

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Speaker 1: and even the likes of Phase Banks knows it's a

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Speaker 1: bad look to be within a country mile of insider trading.

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Speaker 1: Quite that obvious, But what I find to be more

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Speaker 1: interesting for the purposes of looking at Haley's predicament specifically,

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Speaker 1: is that coffee Zilla lays out how the victim narrative

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Speaker 1: doesn't fit the situation when the facts are put together.

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Speaker 1: So while again I do believe the emotional sincerity and

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Speaker 1: the upset that Haley is putting forth in this video,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't seem like the math is mathing in terms

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Speaker 1: of how much money did she actually receive. After receiving

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Speaker 1: a leaked document, Coffeezilla learned that Heley Welch's team, who

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Speaker 1: claimed that she had earned a relatively small upfront fee

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Speaker 1: but wasn't cut into the millions of defrauded dollars in

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Speaker 1: the scam, had probably not been telling the truth about that,

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Speaker 1: and when coffee Zilla confronted Heley's lawyer over DMS about this,

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Speaker 1: the lawyer didn't even bother to deny it, So.

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Speaker 5: This literally drives me crazy.

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Speaker 1: And then he goes, where is this from?

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Speaker 5: If you don't mind me asking, I say, well, it's

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Speaker 5: an insider chat allegedly between Doc and the team members,

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Speaker 5: And then he says, you're right that as it stands,

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Speaker 5: she may be entitled to whatever amounts. However, she was

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Speaker 5: supposed to have mutual approval on tokenomics. Her not being

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Speaker 5: given the opportunity to prove the transaction fee, staffs, and

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Speaker 5: pre cell identities led to the end result. So literally

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Speaker 5: he's admitting what that he's been not telling the truth

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Speaker 5: about how much money they stood to make. You're right,

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Speaker 5: she may be entitled to millions of dollars from a.

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Speaker 2: Scam like what?

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Speaker 1: And it's really saying something when Phase Banks technically ends

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Speaker 1: up being on the right side of this by not

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Speaker 1: wanting the podcast to be released at the end of

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Speaker 1: the day, it seems likely that Haley and her team

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Speaker 1: may have made way more money off of the crypto

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Speaker 1: scam than they originally admitted to and were evasive when

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Speaker 1: asked to show paperwork by both Phase Banks and Coffee Zilla.

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Speaker 1: So the allegations of insider trading ahead of the leak

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Speaker 1: looks bad and adding that to Phase Banks conceptually and

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Speaker 1: an ad still mysteriously making it into a leaked video

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Speaker 1: makes the whole attempt kind of transparent. But I've got

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Speaker 1: to hand it to her. Hailey ends this episode the

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Speaker 1: same way she would end episode of Talk to.

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Speaker 3: A h I feel like it wouldn't be an episode

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Speaker 3: of Talk to if I didn't ask my last question. No,

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Speaker 3: I ask it three times. I'll go around the room.

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Speaker 3: What's one they've in bed the Mexic woman go.

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Speaker 1: Crazy unhinged way to end the apologizing for embezzling millions

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Speaker 1: of dollars episode no notes, and while this episode was

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Speaker 1: not technically released, this leak gets a lot of attention.

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Speaker 1: People were waiting to hear what she was going to

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Speaker 1: say after this scam, especially after Phase Banks released that

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Speaker 1: poetic rebuttal. Here are some headlines.

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Speaker 7: Haley Welch update Talk to a Girl tearfully addresses crypto

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Speaker 7: scandal in leaked podcast.

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Speaker 1: Phase Banks calls out Hailey Welch for Talk to a

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Speaker 1: Podcast controversy.

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Speaker 7: Hawk to a Girl. Hailey Welch and her lawyer explain

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Speaker 7: meme coin dumpster fire.

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Speaker 1: By the way, a number of these articles do not

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Speaker 1: censor the r slur, but do go out of their

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Speaker 1: way to make sure the reader knows that Fase Banks's

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Speaker 1: job title is CEO of Phase Media, a subsidiary of

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Speaker 1: Phase Clan, which cannot possibly be a real job anyways.

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Speaker 1: Coffee Zilla's video on the second round of the Hawktua

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Speaker 1: crypto scam receives around four million views to date, more

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Speaker 1: than any individual episode of Talk Toua has ever gotten,

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Speaker 1: I fear. Here's his conclusion on the situation.

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Speaker 5: Hailey Welts's team this whole time has been acting like

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Speaker 5: so unbelievably dishonest in how they're framing all this to

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Speaker 5: try to make her look like as sympathetic as possible,

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Speaker 5: instead of admitting like, actually, we did have some complicity

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Speaker 5: in this. Maybe we should have asked more questions. We

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Speaker 5: did stand to make way more money than we've let

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Speaker 5: on in a lot of these interviews and with journalists.

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Speaker 1: And again, I do have a lot of empathy for

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Speaker 1: Haley at the time she was pulled into this predicament,

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Speaker 1: as I talked to about at length in the first

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Speaker 1: round of this series. And sure, Haley is being used

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Speaker 1: as uponn to some extent, but her whole business operation

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Speaker 1: is willfully defrauding the public and then working overtime to

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Speaker 1: deny it unless confronted with irrefutable evidence. So even if

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Speaker 1: Haley is just the face of that, the situation is

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Speaker 1: really bad. So if the goal with this leak was

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Speaker 1: to get some public goodwill around Hailey, this did not work,

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Speaker 1: and the team once again goes silent until March twenty fifth,

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Speaker 1: until after the second round of extremely negative press in

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Speaker 1: two months died down. But this period of silence does

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Speaker 1: not last as long. Six weeks later, Haley posts to

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Speaker 1: Instagram for the first time in months with a genuinely

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Speaker 1: bizarre short.

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Speaker 9: Film breaking news.

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Speaker 7: Haley the Hawk to a Girl has died. The Hawk

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Speaker 7: to a girl No one knows finance quite like miss tuur.

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Speaker 1: Get your ass up, we got stuffed in he ugh, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I will tell you what happened. In that clip audio medium,

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Speaker 1: it is captioned what did I miss? And this is

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Speaker 1: basically a TikTok sketch that she is Haley waking up

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Speaker 1: from her nap get it, and then dreaming about all

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Speaker 1: of the different tabloid scenarios and rumors that circulated around

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Speaker 1: her during this near four month absence from the public eye.

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Speaker 1: We see her dreaming that she actually is pregnant, that

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Speaker 1: she actually is in jail, that she actually is dead,

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Speaker 1: and it ends with her best friend Chelsea saying we

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Speaker 1: got shit to do. Egot. Commenters are split on this return,

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Speaker 1: which remains consistent in her work going forward. Of course,

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Speaker 1: there are a thousand versions of the same bed she

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Speaker 1: finally woke up from her nap joke, but there's also

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Speaker 1: a lot of variety. Here are some examples.

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Speaker 7: I already forgot about you, tbh.

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Speaker 1: You woke up. They can never make me hate you.

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Speaker 7: Imagine running a crypto fraud scheme and then coming back

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Speaker 7: three months later acting like it never happened.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, a gradient of reaction. But what this post's very

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Speaker 1: existence indicated to me without saying it explicitly was that

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Speaker 1: the SEC investigation was probably over and that Haley was

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Speaker 1: cleared to post again. And most interestingly to me, this

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Speaker 1: post tells us she still wants to be famous. But

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Speaker 1: before we get there, let's close the book on the investigation,

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Speaker 1: which is finally resolved on March twenty seventh, twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 1: And you won't believe what they decided.

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Speaker 7: Talk to a crypto update. Us SEC closes investigation finds

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Speaker 7: no evidence against Haley Welch. Hailey Welch tells us quote,

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Speaker 7: for the past few months, I've been cooperating with all

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Speaker 7: the authorities and attorneys, and finally that work is complete.

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Speaker 7: The SEC closed the investigation without making any findings against

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Speaker 7: or seeking any monetary sanctions from Haley, said James Salah,

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Speaker 7: Welch's attorney. Because they did not bring any action against her,

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Speaker 7: there are no restrictions on what she can do in

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Speaker 7: regards to crypto or securities in the future. According to sources,

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Speaker 7: Welch is looking to leave this episode behind her and

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Speaker 7: is likely planning a documentary. They added that the twenty

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Speaker 7: two year old won't venture into the cryptocurrency or meme

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Speaker 7: coin projects anymore.

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Speaker 1: And with that they got away with it. Leave it.

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Speaker 1: Hailey Welch and her team to relaunch her career by

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Speaker 1: if this teaser was to be believed, any means necessary,

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Speaker 1: and next time on what I Promise is our final

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Speaker 1: episode on the Hawk to a Saga, we take a

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Speaker 1: look at what came next, why this relaunch is not working,

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Speaker 1: and how the falloff lines up with so many who

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Speaker 1: came before her. That's next time. On sixteenth Minute Sixteenth

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Speaker 1: Minute is a production of Whole Zone Media and Iheartwoord Apps.

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Speaker 1: It is written, hosted, and produced by me Jamie Loftus.

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Speaker 1: Our executive producers are Sophie Lichterman and Robert Evans. The

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Speaker 1: Amazing Ian Johnson is our supervising producer and our editor.

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Speaker 1: Our theme song is by Sad thirteen. Voice acting is

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Speaker 1: from Grant Crater and Pet. Shout outs to our dog

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Speaker 1: producer Anderson, my Kats, Flee and Casper, and by Pet

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Speaker 1: rock Bird, who will outlive us all of five