WEBVTT - INTERVIEW: Grandmaster Flash Master Class: Quick Mix Theory, Slipmats, Sampling + More

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<v Speaker 1>Wake that ass up in the morning. The Breakfast Club.

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<v Speaker 2>Morning everybody, it's the j n V. Charlamagne to God,

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<v Speaker 2>we are the Breakfast Club. You got a special guest

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<v Speaker 2>in the building.

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<v Speaker 3>Come on, man, one of the architects of this thing

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<v Speaker 3>we call hip hop. Man, one of the people who

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<v Speaker 3>helped later foundation for this thing we called hip hop.

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<v Speaker 4>We wouldn't have jobs if it wasn't for this brother.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, wouldn't be a DJ, if it wasn't for this brother,

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<v Speaker 2>and most people out there, most DJs out there wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>be DJs. If it wasn't No, all DJs wouldn't be

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<v Speaker 2>it wasn't for this brother, Ladies and gentlemen, grand Master Flash, welcome, thank.

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<v Speaker 1>You, good morning, black Man, thank you, thank you for

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<v Speaker 1>having me Man.

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<v Speaker 4>I appreciate it. Come on, man, happy to have you.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely appreciate this man.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, we celebrated the fifty years of hip hop,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, this year, and Nby and I was on

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<v Speaker 3>the radio having a conversation and it just felt like,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, the architects, like that era of the eighties,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, wasn't getting honored properly, and none of us

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<v Speaker 3>to hear if that, if that foundation isn't late you

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<v Speaker 3>said the eighties seven, the seventies. Yeah, the seventies from

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<v Speaker 3>the beginning, and the eighties I feel like weren't getting

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<v Speaker 3>on it, you know, properly. How do you feel about that,

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<v Speaker 3>Grand Master Flash?

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<v Speaker 5>And that's one of the reasons why I feel that

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<v Speaker 5>it's paramount that I do lectures. I do corporate towards

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<v Speaker 5>the lectures, and I've been doing them for private people,

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<v Speaker 5>but now I kind of want to do this for

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<v Speaker 5>the public so they could understand that this thing didn't

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<v Speaker 5>just fall out of a tree. It didn't just go

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<v Speaker 5>from the seventies to where we are. You know, there

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<v Speaker 5>was four DJs that did this. Coolhork was on the west,

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<v Speaker 5>AB was Bronx River, African DJ Breakout was the north.

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<v Speaker 5>I was the east, and pretty much this is how

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<v Speaker 5>it really started. And you got to realize this, ladies

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<v Speaker 5>and gentlemen, we did this with no Internet, no social media,

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<v Speaker 5>no apps, no.

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<v Speaker 1>Quick hardware where it would just work a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>these things.

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<v Speaker 5>As I was telling you, Envy, I had to do

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<v Speaker 5>this with nothing going into the backyards and you know,

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<v Speaker 5>getting old receivers and old turntables and stuff and kind

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<v Speaker 5>of like jury rigging my sound system.

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<v Speaker 2>For people listening when he says the West to South

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<v Speaker 2>to nor if he's not talking about West Coast, he's

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<v Speaker 2>talking about New York. The Bronx, the Bronx, Bronx. I

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to clear it up. And also, you know I

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<v Speaker 2>was talking to of course grandmass Flash behind the scenes.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of he didn't know, you know, where we

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<v Speaker 2>had the ability to go to these stores and buy equipment.

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<v Speaker 1>He had to actually make it.

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<v Speaker 2>So his first sound system actually came from old cars

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<v Speaker 2>in the junk yard. He would pull the speakers out

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<v Speaker 2>of the cars in the junk yard and make sound

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<v Speaker 2>systems to play at parks and parties and wherever wherever

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<v Speaker 2>it was. So you had to actually know electronics. And

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<v Speaker 2>it just wasn't just about DJing, right, So what what

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<v Speaker 2>got you into wanting to be a DJ? I know

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<v Speaker 2>you were telling me the story behind the scenes that

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you were just intrigued by electronics in your

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<v Speaker 2>house when your mother and father plugged something in and

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<v Speaker 2>you wanted to understand how it works. So you would

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<v Speaker 2>start effing up the crib pretty much to figure it out.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, and when I was a toddler, everything in that

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<v Speaker 5>house that was electrical. I was intrigued, Oh how did

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<v Speaker 5>that happen? So I used to unscrew the backs of

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<v Speaker 5>the stereo in the living room. My sister's hair dries

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<v Speaker 5>the table radio, all these things. And also what got

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<v Speaker 5>me into this when I was a toddler. My dad

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<v Speaker 5>was a collector of records. And I'm on this respectable airwaves.

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<v Speaker 5>So I will just say when I got caught touching

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<v Speaker 5>his vinyl as a toddler, he used to heavily repermnd me.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, I can say that. And what I used to

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<v Speaker 1>do was a kid, I.

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<v Speaker 5>Waited for him to go to work, and when the

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<v Speaker 5>door slammed, I went back in that closet and the

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<v Speaker 5>rule was, you know, don't touch the brown box in

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<v Speaker 5>the living room.

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<v Speaker 1>And I used to watch Dad when he came home

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<v Speaker 1>from work how he operated it.

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<v Speaker 5>So I figured out how to get into this closet

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<v Speaker 5>where his stuff was, and I would take this square

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<v Speaker 5>thing that had a black disc and he would put

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<v Speaker 5>it in this brown and sound would come out of it.

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<v Speaker 1>That was probably my first love.

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<v Speaker 5>But then moving forward, guys, when I heard a drum

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<v Speaker 5>break from one of the most important black artists of

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<v Speaker 5>that time, his name was Curtis Mayfield.

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<v Speaker 1>Move on up that break and then you and I

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<v Speaker 1>can relate here. That break was.

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<v Speaker 5>About i'd say about five minutes of just the drums.

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<v Speaker 1>And I thought all records was like that.

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<v Speaker 5>So when I started collecting my records, the drum break

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<v Speaker 5>was like five ten seconds. So what also got me

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<v Speaker 5>into the DJing is I used to watch the disco

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<v Speaker 5>DJs like my Boyer Flowers, Pete Jones, and I noticed

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<v Speaker 5>that their transitions were glass smooth. But then my boys

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<v Speaker 5>knocked on my door at my mom's house and said,

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<v Speaker 5>we want to take you to this other side of

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<v Speaker 5>town to watch these other DJs. And respectfully, I was wondering,

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<v Speaker 5>why is it that everything that he was doing was

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<v Speaker 5>a train wreck. He was playing the incredible music, had

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<v Speaker 5>the incredible sound system, but why was.

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<v Speaker 1>He playing like that?

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<v Speaker 5>You know, because the rules are the laws, and you know,

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<v Speaker 5>especially if you got people on the dance floor, the

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<v Speaker 5>idea is to keep everybody in unison correct. They should

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<v Speaker 5>not be trying to find it beat as you transition.

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<v Speaker 5>So from that point on, it's when I came up

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<v Speaker 5>with the quick mixed theory. You know what mix theory

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<v Speaker 5>from a mathematical perspective. I took sonics and through it

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<v Speaker 5>out the window. Because if I play a song, I

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<v Speaker 5>hear it a certain way. If I put the headphone

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<v Speaker 5>on your ear, you hear it a certain way, and shah,

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<v Speaker 5>you hear a certain way. So I said to myself,

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<v Speaker 5>I'm going to take that out of the equation and

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<v Speaker 5>I'm gonna just collect records from all genres pop, rock, jazz, blues, funk, disco,

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<v Speaker 5>R and B foreign American and just listen to the

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<v Speaker 5>drum break. And I found that, unlike Curtis Mayfield, these

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<v Speaker 5>drum breaks on these other records always always short. That

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<v Speaker 5>made me quite angry. I was disappointed. So in Mom's house,

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<v Speaker 5>I came up with a hand mechanic fingertips to vinyl

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<v Speaker 5>fingertips to cross Vader DJ style that is used by

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<v Speaker 5>every hip hop DJ on planet Earth. And I figured

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<v Speaker 5>out the way of counting the bars as the vinyl

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<v Speaker 5>went forward, and how many times I would have to

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<v Speaker 5>rewind it back to get back to the top of

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<v Speaker 5>the break and take that ten second break and make

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<v Speaker 5>it seamlessly ten minutes. So if you on the floor

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<v Speaker 5>and I'm playing a Michael Jackson drummer break. I'm playing

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<v Speaker 5>that for ten minutes and I'm gonna flip to a

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<v Speaker 5>London break or a drumming break or or whatever break.

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<v Speaker 1>And this became the way.

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<v Speaker 5>And then what happened was these incredible people called hip

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<v Speaker 5>hop producers took this style of the seamless loop and

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<v Speaker 5>I'm gonna show you that on the wheels to steal and.

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<v Speaker 3>Understand Me'm saying your quick mixed theory turn turned into

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<v Speaker 3>what people called sampling basically correct.

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<v Speaker 2>That's so that's exactly what you bring it back from

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<v Speaker 2>the beginning. But one thing you learn from this interview

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<v Speaker 2>with grand Master Flash is he's not just a musician

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<v Speaker 2>when it comes to turntables.

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<v Speaker 1>He's actually no disrespect.

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<v Speaker 2>He's a nerd and geek, like he wants to understand

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<v Speaker 2>the mechanics of it. Most people just want to understand

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<v Speaker 2>the success of it and be successful and be a

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<v Speaker 2>big name. But he under actually understands the mechanics of music,

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<v Speaker 2>DJ and trans positioning records, record players, mixes, just and

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<v Speaker 2>this is just having a thirty second conversation with Have

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<v Speaker 2>I figured out.

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<v Speaker 3>What I found so interressing about this? In the last

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<v Speaker 3>five minutes you explained where DJing started yep, and where

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<v Speaker 3>hip hop production start correct, So people will call you

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<v Speaker 3>an architect and say you're wanted the founding fathers of

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<v Speaker 3>hip hop.

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<v Speaker 1>That is why, absolutely thank you. And I gotta tell

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<v Speaker 1>you it's like.

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<v Speaker 5>I've been listening to a lot of depressing the promotion,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, from last summer to now, and this particular

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<v Speaker 5>area of who, what, where and why is not talked about.

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<v Speaker 5>Why aren't we talking about what Bam did? And quite frankly,

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<v Speaker 5>the gang thing was really bad back then Shaw and

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<v Speaker 5>if he didn't calm that down, they would have not

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<v Speaker 5>been to a block parties, you know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 5>And then as DJ breakout in the North, he came

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<v Speaker 5>up with a sound system where he used garbage cans

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<v Speaker 5>as his base. Bottoms Who Hurt had an amazing sound system.

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<v Speaker 5>I had the shittiest sound system, but I had a

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<v Speaker 5>hand technique that people wanted to see, you know. So

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<v Speaker 5>it's just these kind of things where I go around

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<v Speaker 5>doing these corporate tours.

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<v Speaker 1>It's called the birth of a culture.

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<v Speaker 5>Corporate tourist, and I've been doing a lot of these

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<v Speaker 5>things privately, but I think that now I have to

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<v Speaker 5>go to the universities to the YMCAs and do this public.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm gonna do two major lectures, one in Manhattan and

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<v Speaker 5>one of the Bronx where it's gonna be free, and

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<v Speaker 5>I want people to really mechanically understand how I came

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<v Speaker 5>up with this quick mixed theory and how it connects

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<v Speaker 5>to where we are right now. You know, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 5>keep it real with you. I didn't create hip hop.

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<v Speaker 5>I didn't coin the word. I created the tools that

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<v Speaker 5>allowed hip hop to transcend from where it was to

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<v Speaker 5>where it is. And with how these tools, like the beatbox,

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<v Speaker 5>the turntables, the quick mixed theory, the extending of a

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<v Speaker 5>bed of music so a human being can speak, going

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<v Speaker 5>so that the rapper could be born. These are the

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<v Speaker 5>things that I did, and these are the things that

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<v Speaker 5>the world is not talking about.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean that's especially this year because the focus is

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<v Speaker 3>on the artist, but it should be a lot more

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<v Speaker 3>focused on the DJ.

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<v Speaker 1>And the producer.

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<v Speaker 2>All I was gonna ask, you know, how do you

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<v Speaker 2>feel when you look at something that you created, right?

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<v Speaker 1>And you created out of love?

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<v Speaker 5>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>What you said just now? You didn't say it was money.

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<v Speaker 2>You didn't say I did this because I wanted money,

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<v Speaker 2>you said, I enjoyed it. I love listening to music,

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<v Speaker 2>I love playing in the park. And then you see

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<v Speaker 2>in this the commercial success of hip hop.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>I sent Charlamagne something this morning about Charris One saying

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<v Speaker 2>why he didn't want to perform at the Grammys. He

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<v Speaker 2>felt like the Grammy's never respected hip hop. So why

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<v Speaker 2>come now, how do you feel when you see the

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<v Speaker 2>commercial success of hip hop and all these brothers and

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<v Speaker 2>sisters making money, and all these companies making money off

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<v Speaker 2>of hip hop, but some of the founders are not

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<v Speaker 2>making the money that's deserved because if it wasn't for

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<v Speaker 2>you guys, nobody wouldn't be able to make that money.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a twofold answer.

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<v Speaker 5>Just think and be this thing that I did could

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<v Speaker 5>have missed, And if this all would have missed, I

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<v Speaker 5>wouldn't be here talking to you right now. So that's

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<v Speaker 5>one side of it.

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<v Speaker 1>It exploded.

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<v Speaker 5>But there are like, there are some companies out there

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<v Speaker 5>giving away hundreds of thousands of dollars. I've seen this

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<v Speaker 5>on the internet just recently. But they are those men

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<v Speaker 5>that are in a hood that didn't have the commercial success.

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<v Speaker 5>Nobody's saying, hey, here's five hundred thousand dollars for you

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<v Speaker 5>or one hundred thousand dollars. They're not saying that, Like

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<v Speaker 5>there are those who lost their life that are not

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<v Speaker 5>even here to even enjoy this, and they have families,

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<v Speaker 5>you know. So for me, I have to until God

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<v Speaker 5>takes me. I have to go around and mechanically break

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<v Speaker 5>this thing down. I think that people should interview the

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<v Speaker 5>producers like that. Just that boggles my mind because they're

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<v Speaker 5>the ones that really.

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<v Speaker 1>Know how the record is made.

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<v Speaker 5>They're the one that stays in the studios for two

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<v Speaker 5>and three days to make sure the record goes from

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<v Speaker 5>start to finish before the masters is handed in, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>So for me and people should know more about Coohirk

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<v Speaker 1>and their team. They should know who Coke the Rocket is.

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<v Speaker 5>Like they're going around saying he was a rapper, he

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<v Speaker 5>said DJ I used to watch him, you know. And

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<v Speaker 5>in this Timmy tim And is the original Clark Ken.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, people should know who breakout team is Barren

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<v Speaker 5>you know, and Bam Body and Jazzy J and Grand

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<v Speaker 5>Master Flashing Graham was your Theaterore. Like all these people

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<v Speaker 5>and all these names, you don't hear nothing, yes, right,

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<v Speaker 5>talk to about them when people are putting out this press,

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<v Speaker 5>they're not even coming to ask, well, Flash, what do

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<v Speaker 5>you think? And respectfully, I'm gonna say this. For you

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<v Speaker 5>to really first hand know what this is, you have

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<v Speaker 5>to be at least sixty years old. And I'll be

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<v Speaker 5>kind and say fifty eight fifty seven. That means you

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<v Speaker 5>had a first hand eyeshot of seeing us do this.

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<v Speaker 5>If you are thirty or you're a forty and you

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<v Speaker 5>were saying that you are a hip hop extraordinary person,

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<v Speaker 5>nine times out of ten, if you ain't talking to Flash,

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<v Speaker 5>you ain't talking to HRK, you ain't talking to BAM,

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<v Speaker 5>you got secondhand information, and you gotta realize you're feeding

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<v Speaker 5>the babies like incomplete information.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is one of the reasons why.

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<v Speaker 5>Because I tour one hundred and fifty countries a year,

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<v Speaker 5>so financially I'm good, I'm cutting all that in half

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<v Speaker 5>because I gotta go to these universities. I got to

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<v Speaker 5>go to these YMCAs and I gotta teach these babies

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<v Speaker 5>of where this thing comes from. Because what saddeness mean

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<v Speaker 5>is this. If you are from a black family, you

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<v Speaker 5>know who Miles Davis is. If you're from a white family,

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<v Speaker 5>you know who the Rolling Stones is. Why is this

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<v Speaker 5>so much of a blur of who, what and why

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<v Speaker 5>we're and how when it comes to hip hop?

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<v Speaker 1>Why is that?

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<v Speaker 3>I think we gotta be the generation to do that

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<v Speaker 3>because to your point, if you're sixty years old, now

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<v Speaker 3>you're probably a grandfather, grandmother.

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<v Speaker 4>Our grandparents weren't listening to.

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<v Speaker 3>Hip hop, you know, Okay, but now when we got

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<v Speaker 3>grandparents and grandfathers, grandparents who were listening to hip hop,

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<v Speaker 3>and then parents who grew up in hip hop, they

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<v Speaker 3>can tell their kids eight, this is where it started, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Because, like you said, most if you if you're in

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<v Speaker 2>the age of forty to fifty, a lot of them,

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<v Speaker 2>hip hop started with right. I remember, that's where it

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<v Speaker 2>started from. Because even me, like, you know, my parents

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<v Speaker 2>weren't in a hip hop but I was. But the

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<v Speaker 2>first record I ever bought was Run.

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<v Speaker 3>My dad was seventy something. He didn't he didn't like

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<v Speaker 3>hip hop at the time. He wanted he was like,

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<v Speaker 3>you need to listen to James Brown, Temptation, the original rapper.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, he didn't know nothing about hip hop. He

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<v Speaker 3>didn't want to hear none of that.

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<v Speaker 5>You know. Well, I think for me and this is

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<v Speaker 5>such a wonderful time period. But just think of it

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<v Speaker 5>like this here, and you know, sometimes this makes me

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<v Speaker 5>want to cry. Sometimes is come August, like the mayor

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<v Speaker 5>gave me August fourth and cool Hurgust August eleventh, Come

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<v Speaker 5>August twelfth, there's going to be a brand new trend.

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<v Speaker 5>So we have to get it right now as a

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<v Speaker 5>black art form that is core, that has done so

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<v Speaker 5>much for so many people. Of course, we have.

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<v Speaker 1>To get it right between now and August.

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<v Speaker 5>Eleventh, or it's going to go down in history incomplete

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<v Speaker 5>or incorrect. And that scares the crap out of me.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's safe to say you don't believe the DJ

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<v Speaker 3>he gets to respect they should when it comes to

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<v Speaker 3>their contraby.

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<v Speaker 5>Absolutely not, because especially the hip hop DJ that understands

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<v Speaker 5>the quick mixed story and the mechanics which I will

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<v Speaker 5>show you, because that led to the sampling and that

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<v Speaker 5>led to these records being made, and that's what we're celebrating.

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<v Speaker 5>So we're celebrating the entire cake. But let's go back

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<v Speaker 5>and celebrate the celebrate the the uh, the eggs and

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<v Speaker 5>the flour and the water and the vanilla, how the

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<v Speaker 5>cake was made.

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<v Speaker 4>The process, the process.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's celebrate that.

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<v Speaker 4>Let's see some of the process.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's do that.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, actually speak louder than what?

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<v Speaker 5>Now?

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<v Speaker 1>Could I could? I go right there? All right, we

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<v Speaker 1>need a pen. I need one of these pens. So

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<v Speaker 1>in the shop. I want to tell you envy. Yes, sir,

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<v Speaker 1>I appreciate you. Man. You said something a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>minutes ago that you thought I would be insulted.

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<v Speaker 5>I grew up as a geek. I was not hip.

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<v Speaker 5>I was afraid to wrap the chicks. I stayed in

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<v Speaker 5>my house, grabbingunk from the junkyard and trying to piece

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<v Speaker 5>together somewhat of a sound system. And then I came

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<v Speaker 5>up with a mathematical equation to what is hip hop?

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<v Speaker 5>And I called it black math. Okay, quick mix theory.

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<v Speaker 4>Black math.

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<v Speaker 5>It was impossible for me to write a sonic equation

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<v Speaker 5>because a sonic equation would then fall under kinetics, and

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<v Speaker 5>then it would have been really deep for me to

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<v Speaker 5>write this, So I wrote it from a mathematical perspective.

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<v Speaker 5>The brain captures a melody in four bars, and that's

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<v Speaker 5>why I called it the.

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<v Speaker 1>Quick mixed theory black math.

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<v Speaker 5>Every DJ uses the hand mechanics of this DJ technique.

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<v Speaker 5>This got me in so much trouble because I was

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<v Speaker 5>putting crayons on the record, putting in my hand on

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<v Speaker 5>the records. Connoisseurs wanted to nail me, disrespect me. They

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<v Speaker 5>really hated me, shah because they would put the record

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<v Speaker 5>inside of a little white paper and put it inside

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<v Speaker 5>and use the velvet brush to clean it off, and

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<v Speaker 5>they would carefully put it inside the jacket.

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<v Speaker 6>Me.

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<v Speaker 1>Fuck that. So I got a lot of flack for

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<v Speaker 1>doing this. So now there's vinyl one. I'm a horrible drawer.

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<v Speaker 4>So good, we get it.

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<v Speaker 1>We get it and mix in the middle, vinyl two

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<v Speaker 1>mm hmm, vinyl two. So this one. The crowds listening

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<v Speaker 1>to this.

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<v Speaker 5>Going clockwise, and this is the one that has to

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<v Speaker 5>go counterclockwise. And this particular style of DJing and every

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<v Speaker 5>hip hop DJ has adopted makes the tone arm ninety

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<v Speaker 5>nine zero point nine percent.

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<v Speaker 1>Useless. But I would watch those DJs that did this

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<v Speaker 1>heavy on the tone arm, and.

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<v Speaker 5>Every time they would transition, it was a train way

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<v Speaker 5>four bars.

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<v Speaker 1>Forward. It's equal to six counterclockwise revolutions equals full loop extraction.

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<v Speaker 5>Every DJ and every hip hop producer that that made

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<v Speaker 5>sample music use this. This theory and me and Envy

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<v Speaker 5>we were talking earlier and he was he said something

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<v Speaker 5>to me, some people never seen turntables.

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<v Speaker 4>That's right, that's real.

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<v Speaker 5>I've got so much to do. I've got so many

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<v Speaker 5>places to go shah, so many people. Because I don't

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<v Speaker 5>know if Breakout's going to get an interview off cool

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<v Speaker 5>Herk or Coke, it's going to get an interview or bam.

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<v Speaker 5>So right now it's pretty much on me. So the

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<v Speaker 5>race is on into August.

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<v Speaker 2>So now with this process for people that don't know

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<v Speaker 2>that's not a DJ, is what you're basically saying is

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<v Speaker 2>back in the day, you came up with this formula

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<v Speaker 2>because there was no instrumental so you had to create

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<v Speaker 2>your own right or.

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<v Speaker 1>The drum break or the drum break short.

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<v Speaker 2>You had to make it longer so people can actually dance,

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<v Speaker 2>and the transition will be like how transitions should be.

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<v Speaker 2>So what you hear now when somebody, especially New York

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<v Speaker 2>where most DJs slam music, meaning you'll go from a

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<v Speaker 2>fast record one hundred tempo to a seventy tempo with

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<v Speaker 2>no transition and you slam it. So this was a

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<v Speaker 2>creation where people wouldn't stop dancing and the party would

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<v Speaker 2>go thoroughly through and people wouldn't even miss a step right,

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<v Speaker 2>which a DJ is supposed to do right. And with

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<v Speaker 2>this meaning forward four balls forward, six balls backward, you'd

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<v Speaker 2>go six balls backward to go back another four balls

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<v Speaker 2>to bring this side, bring the left side six balls.

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<v Speaker 1>For the four and six.

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<v Speaker 5>That was the inversion of four to six factor is

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<v Speaker 5>what I called it. And I say four plus six

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<v Speaker 5>it is ten. So if there was a rapper in

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<v Speaker 5>front of me and he needed a quiet area of

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<v Speaker 5>the record where the singer wasn't singing, and it was

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<v Speaker 5>the least people playing with the drummer, and I'm going

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<v Speaker 5>to play a few of those things.

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<v Speaker 1>It shows that, it shows people see it.

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<v Speaker 4>Can you answer one questions? You know?

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<v Speaker 3>Of course, you know they talk about gramdmass flashing the

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<v Speaker 3>Furious five, you know, produced the message, but they.

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<v Speaker 1>Said first DJ to get a Grammy, by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>but that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, But I've read some things where they said you

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<v Speaker 3>had nothing to do with the production of it.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, I had something to do with all of it,

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<v Speaker 5>because that company chased me to get my group serious,

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<v Speaker 5>the whole group. There was the club I played called

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<v Speaker 5>disco Fever and I brought hip hop to this club,

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<v Speaker 5>and Sally Abatello gave me. I wanted a Saturday. He

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<v Speaker 5>gave me a Tuesday, of course, so most clubs do.

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<v Speaker 1>They gave me.

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<v Speaker 5>I called it Terrible Tuesday off Night, right, But in

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<v Speaker 5>about two months time, I was live on that Saturday.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, sal You know.

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<v Speaker 5>So for me, the message, probably I had least to

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<v Speaker 5>do with, but I had most to do with it

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<v Speaker 5>because it was my group. And I'm sure they used

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<v Speaker 5>your technique, right, they do they use They used my

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<v Speaker 5>technique to make all their records. The Message was an

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<v Speaker 5>original record, but they knew when they had the Sugar

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<v Speaker 5>Hill Gang, they heard of us.

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<v Speaker 1>In the streets.

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<v Speaker 5>The streets was already ringing Grandmaster Flash and the Phurious Five.

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<v Speaker 5>So she used to come to Terrible Tuesdays every Tuesday,

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<v Speaker 5>just to see how it was, how it was going down.

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<v Speaker 4>So who is she, Sylvia Robins?

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<v Speaker 1>You know? So on Hill. Did I have anything to

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<v Speaker 1>do with that record? Minimal?

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<v Speaker 5>But I had everything to do with it because she

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<v Speaker 5>needed to have us.

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<v Speaker 1>So here we are.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to have one more question for you, get

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<v Speaker 3>on the turntables. How do you feel about DJs today

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<v Speaker 3>with the auto mixing buttons and the different programs that

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<v Speaker 3>make it easy.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm using right now, right, and you know what it is.

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<v Speaker 1>I put it this way.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm a scientist first, I'm a geek first, so I've

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<v Speaker 5>been pushing an envelope for fifty two years, so I

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<v Speaker 5>respect anybody that's doing it, but follow the laws of

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<v Speaker 5>the art transition. I think the things that drive me

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<v Speaker 5>crazy when I go out, which is every now and

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<v Speaker 5>then envs.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I'm.

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<v Speaker 5>Listening to the DJ and it's the train wreck thing.

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<v Speaker 5>You know that there really drives me crazy. A lot

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<v Speaker 5>of today's music is really one tempo bass, so it's

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<v Speaker 5>easy to go from one to the other. So how

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<v Speaker 5>you crashing this record into this record with us back?

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<v Speaker 5>We had to use the pitch quite a bit to

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<v Speaker 5>make this record beat match with lost record. Of course,

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<v Speaker 5>these records here are almost coming out of the oven.

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<v Speaker 5>They're all the same temple almost. So I don't understand

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<v Speaker 5>why is it that these people who play today don't

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<v Speaker 5>beat match that?

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<v Speaker 1>There?

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<v Speaker 5>Makes me totally crazy, and it goes against the laws

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<v Speaker 5>of what we learned.

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<v Speaker 4>Let's see what see some transitions.

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<v Speaker 1>Matt's do it if you can.

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<v Speaker 2>The first thing I guess if you can what you

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<v Speaker 2>talked about the first how you would make your own

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<v Speaker 2>instrumental backing.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me play the first record.

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<v Speaker 5>That got Because some people think that there was another

0:25:14.880 --> 0:25:21.960
<v Speaker 5>DJ that inspired me. I came from a totally different perspective,

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<v Speaker 5>scientific and mathematical. So I came from nothing with my

0:25:28.359 --> 0:25:40.359
<v Speaker 5>stylech nobody put me on. I ended this record was

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<v Speaker 5>the grand recond record. Why I wanted to DJ Curtis

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<v Speaker 5>Mayfield nineteen.

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<v Speaker 1>Seventy, How old are you twelve? Going to the thirteen? Wow,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sixty six?

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<v Speaker 4>Now let's.

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<v Speaker 1>Break is still going? The break is still going.

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<v Speaker 4>Five minutes right?

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<v Speaker 1>This record was so for life for me. I was

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<v Speaker 1>why is that? Why is everything else so short?

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<v Speaker 5>And when I started playing other genres of record, because

0:26:24.600 --> 0:26:28.080
<v Speaker 5>I was raised in a home where it appearing on

0:26:28.080 --> 0:26:33.960
<v Speaker 5>which sister was on the stereo, I would hear motown, disco, funk, jazz, blues,

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<v Speaker 5>R and B.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I grew up where music had no color.

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<v Speaker 5>A dope jam could be a white jam or black jam,

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<v Speaker 5>of foreign jam and American jam. So so Charlotte Magne,

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<v Speaker 5>I said, I was gonna I needed your help, right,

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<v Speaker 5>So can you come over here please, shaw. Try to

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<v Speaker 5>scratch this record, try right right right.

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<v Speaker 4>So he's a DJ allegedly, I don't know if can

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<v Speaker 4>do this.

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<v Speaker 7>So so listen now, yeah, try to try and try

0:27:06.359 --> 0:27:09.040
<v Speaker 7>to try to try to try to bring the back

0:27:09.359 --> 0:27:12.280
<v Speaker 7>the record back, just just but be gentle, be gentle

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<v Speaker 7>with your fingers and try to just.

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<v Speaker 4>Go right back.

0:27:17.480 --> 0:27:21.880
<v Speaker 5>Practice trying to go back, trying to go count the Topwise,

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<v Speaker 5>he's too hard.

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<v Speaker 1>Right now, now, try to try to go back. Heavy.

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<v Speaker 5>No, he's a heavy. It's a heavy, okay, gonta stop.

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<v Speaker 5>So my mother was a seamstress, right, so I was

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<v Speaker 5>lucky to touch polyester, rayon, con silk, leather swayed.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, So you created the.

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<v Speaker 8>Slip man, yes, I oh my goodness, you created the

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<v Speaker 8>slip man too.

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<v Speaker 4>That's crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>So let me tell you what. Let me break it.

0:28:03.760 --> 0:28:05.359
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna pop the collar for you. So when you

0:28:05.359 --> 0:28:07.640
<v Speaker 2>buy the turntables, it comes with a rubber piece. Right,

0:28:08.080 --> 0:28:11.080
<v Speaker 2>the rubber piece you cannot DJ with, so all d

0:28:11.240 --> 0:28:14.120
<v Speaker 2>days have to toss it. So you had a slip mat.

0:28:14.359 --> 0:28:16.080
<v Speaker 2>We didn't know where a slip mat was. So back

0:28:16.080 --> 0:28:19.040
<v Speaker 2>then the record came in in a plastic package. We

0:28:19.080 --> 0:28:21.560
<v Speaker 2>would open up the plastic package and make our own

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<v Speaker 2>slip mat.

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<v Speaker 4>The slip matters on this one.

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<v Speaker 1>But that was grand Master Flashes idea. I just told

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<v Speaker 1>you so.

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<v Speaker 4>You got right there, flas Flash.

0:28:30.560 --> 0:28:31.440
<v Speaker 5>I ran it to that.

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<v Speaker 1>Problem, right.

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<v Speaker 9>I grabbed an album and I ran to the nearest

0:28:37.600 --> 0:28:44.800
<v Speaker 9>material store and I touched rayon silk or cotton, polyester, leather.

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<v Speaker 1>Felt. Now, the problem with felt.

0:28:50.000 --> 0:28:53.600
<v Speaker 5>Is when you put it on your when when you

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<v Speaker 5>buy a portion of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep, it's limp whom my mother was it looking?

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<v Speaker 5>And first I would cut it out besides of an album, right,

0:29:05.160 --> 0:29:07.360
<v Speaker 5>And I would when my mother was a look, And

0:29:07.360 --> 0:29:08.880
<v Speaker 5>I went up in the closet in her cabin in

0:29:08.960 --> 0:29:12.960
<v Speaker 5>the kitchen and I got spray starch and I made.

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<v Speaker 1>It so that it was stiff. But I called it

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<v Speaker 1>a wafer.

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<v Speaker 5>And the reason why I called it a wafers because

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<v Speaker 5>during the Easter, Mom would dress us up to go

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<v Speaker 5>to the church and the neighbor's church, and you know

0:29:24.840 --> 0:29:26.840
<v Speaker 5>that little white that that white thing they give you

0:29:26.920 --> 0:29:30.680
<v Speaker 5>during the East. I called it a wafer. And it went

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<v Speaker 5>from what that is.

0:29:33.320 --> 0:29:38.600
<v Speaker 4>To this damn you didn't get to trademark any.

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<v Speaker 1>Jesus Christ. A minute, wait, a minute.

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<v Speaker 5>It doesn't end there because I still got some resistance

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<v Speaker 5>on a certain table.

0:29:46.440 --> 0:29:46.920
<v Speaker 1>With just this.

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<v Speaker 5>So when Mom would make baked chocolate chip cookies, she

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<v Speaker 5>would use this paper that felt like.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, yeah yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So now I put the.

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<v Speaker 5>The plastic the wax on the platter, and I put

0:30:06.960 --> 0:30:11.000
<v Speaker 5>this on top of that. So now the platter moved

0:30:11.160 --> 0:30:16.800
<v Speaker 5>comfortably clockwise while I can go pound o' clockwise.

0:30:19.120 --> 0:30:22.280
<v Speaker 1>Of the quick knicks theory. See, these are the things I.

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<v Speaker 5>Need to teach people about that this thing, they'd just

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<v Speaker 5>fall out of a tree.

0:30:27.600 --> 0:30:29.800
<v Speaker 1>And look at some of this press today they're like,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, hip hop.

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<v Speaker 5>Is fifty and there was this party at Boom.

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<v Speaker 4>Is that it kipping a whole process.

0:30:38.680 --> 0:30:40.360
<v Speaker 2>But it's skipping the whole process, but it's gipping the

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<v Speaker 2>whole process of people who actually put in the energy

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<v Speaker 2>and work. So for me, I had no idea. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>you just follow all the DJs and other DJs.

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<v Speaker 1>What they do.

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<v Speaker 2>They open up the thing, they get rid of that

0:30:49.640 --> 0:30:52.640
<v Speaker 2>rubber piece, they cut the plastic, and that's how you DJ.

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<v Speaker 2>But if it wasn't for Flash's mind of thinking this way,

0:30:56.680 --> 0:30:57.760
<v Speaker 2>most DJs wouldn't have that.

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<v Speaker 1>Now come here, now, now put your hand on the gently.

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<v Speaker 10>See now it's the movie.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, oh my gosh. And that's the problem. Every

0:31:08.280 --> 0:31:10.840
<v Speaker 1>d everybody thinks that that's the problem. So let's play

0:31:10.840 --> 0:31:15.080
<v Speaker 1>some music now do it so so now people don't

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<v Speaker 1>realize it. But like the producer.

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<v Speaker 5>Drey Premiere Pete Rock Battle Cat, Like I could go

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<v Speaker 5>on and on and on this sampling thing.

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<v Speaker 1>This is how the sampling thing tied in h to

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<v Speaker 1>the DJ. Let's take this sample.

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<v Speaker 11>Name.

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<v Speaker 1>But this song is called Sweet Green Teals by Seals

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<v Speaker 1>and CROs All. This is the extra but mm hmm,

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<v Speaker 1>bust around, put my hands master, see.

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<v Speaker 12>Wow, wow, wow, right, care for y'all, Jesus, that was

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<v Speaker 12>the bullshit. Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>We didn't let it go there.

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<v Speaker 5>So now, using a quick mixed theory with the producers,

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<v Speaker 5>there's the two new machines that come into play, the

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<v Speaker 5>computer and the sampler. So it would take that same

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<v Speaker 5>let's say quantity of information, put it onto a floppy disk,

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<v Speaker 5>put it into the computer and the sampler, and hit

0:32:37.400 --> 0:32:41.320
<v Speaker 5>the spacebart until the computer loop. This it's the same

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<v Speaker 5>thing that I was doing circularly, but now it was

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<v Speaker 5>with the new technology.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's go lit mode.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you just why if you're listening, he's bringing

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<v Speaker 2>it back and forth without a loop sampler. He's doing

0:33:21.600 --> 0:33:24.600
<v Speaker 2>it from his hands in a way that you can't

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<v Speaker 2>even tell he's doing it.

0:33:27.240 --> 0:33:28.960
<v Speaker 5>So if you want a dance floor, you will never

0:33:29.000 --> 0:33:31.400
<v Speaker 5>know what I was doing correct. And this is a

0:33:31.440 --> 0:33:35.880
<v Speaker 5>difference between us need to tone arm with DJs that

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<v Speaker 5>come from our same community and train wrecking. First is

0:33:40.400 --> 0:33:43.600
<v Speaker 5>the quick mixterior where the arm is ninety nine point

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<v Speaker 5>nine percent useless.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's go to while he's doing to the Next thing

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<v Speaker 2>I always want to tell people too, is now DJ's

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<v Speaker 2>having a lot simpler because they have serato, so you

0:33:52.520 --> 0:33:53.520
<v Speaker 2>could actually see.

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<v Speaker 1>The keys of where you can do it.

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<v Speaker 2>Back then he would actually have to memorize where it

0:33:57.320 --> 0:33:59.040
<v Speaker 2>was on the wax, or he would have to put

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<v Speaker 2>a piece of cassette taped they on the crayon, on

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<v Speaker 2>the crayon and draw it on the record to know

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<v Speaker 2>where he would have to go back to.

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<v Speaker 3>Now I see what the DJ used to sweat so

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<v Speaker 3>much in the seventies and eighties.

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<v Speaker 1>God rest his soul, Christopher, what's my wrap ups? And

0:34:28.120 --> 0:34:29.040
<v Speaker 1>I was with DJ.

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<v Speaker 10>Wow, Now if you're listening, he's bringing it back using

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<v Speaker 10>the quick mixed theory.

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<v Speaker 1>The d jing is no sample, it's just him Wow,

0:34:56.760 --> 0:34:57.680
<v Speaker 1>let's go a little deeper.

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<v Speaker 5>Wow. Oh, and a lot of these samples. So when

0:35:02.320 --> 0:35:04.919
<v Speaker 5>people say to me, will flash through a hip hop set,

0:35:05.120 --> 0:35:07.200
<v Speaker 5>I'm playing white music, I'm playing black music, I'm playing

0:35:07.200 --> 0:35:10.160
<v Speaker 5>for our music and playing American music pop, rock, jazz, blues, funk,

0:35:10.520 --> 0:35:12.560
<v Speaker 5>just gonna earn people because this is what we had

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<v Speaker 5>before it became modern.

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<v Speaker 1>Correct, this is all we had. So let me ask

0:35:17.239 --> 0:35:18.279
<v Speaker 1>you a question, why you're doing this?

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<v Speaker 2>So a lot of these loops that you're going back

0:35:20.320 --> 0:35:22.320
<v Speaker 2>and forth with that you were playing at the clubs,

0:35:22.560 --> 0:35:25.360
<v Speaker 2>These are loops that you would be doing at a

0:35:25.360 --> 0:35:27.600
<v Speaker 2>party that I'm sure one of these producers heard you

0:35:27.640 --> 0:35:29.080
<v Speaker 2>do it and say, oh, I'm a sample lest to

0:35:29.080 --> 0:35:32.480
<v Speaker 2>make it the record probably gotcha, probably because there's no way.

0:35:32.520 --> 0:35:34.200
<v Speaker 2>And now I can hear somebody hearing that Bust of

0:35:34.239 --> 0:35:36.560
<v Speaker 2>Rhymes record without a DJ playing and be like that's

0:35:36.600 --> 0:35:38.360
<v Speaker 2>going to be a smash, Like that had to be.

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<v Speaker 1>I heard this, and this is why the DJ is

0:35:40.280 --> 0:35:43.760
<v Speaker 1>so important, Like I just don't understand.

0:35:45.560 --> 0:36:06.839
<v Speaker 5>Rap, real question, these are the things will people need

0:36:06.880 --> 0:36:09.160
<v Speaker 5>to really understand?

0:36:12.920 --> 0:36:17.160
<v Speaker 1>What is so important about the producer and a DJ.

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<v Speaker 1>You people that press people.

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<v Speaker 5>You're not talking about this. You're not coming to ask

0:36:23.600 --> 0:36:25.920
<v Speaker 5>me anything you asked me.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll tell you. Oh you just blaze reduce the ship

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<v Speaker 1>out of this record. Oh my god.

0:36:44.719 --> 0:36:45.000
<v Speaker 4>Wow.

0:36:46.120 --> 0:36:49.040
<v Speaker 1>And this is just like a this is a nobody.

0:36:49.520 --> 0:36:54.600
<v Speaker 5>This record was probably been double leg but it takes

0:36:54.640 --> 0:36:57.239
<v Speaker 5>the genius of reproducer to know what this is.

0:36:57.360 --> 0:37:02.200
<v Speaker 1>And this is what the record really sounds like. We

0:37:02.239 --> 0:37:04.799
<v Speaker 1>didn't give a funk about that part, right there, ladies, And.

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<v Speaker 4>This is what this is what this is what you

0:37:06.800 --> 0:37:08.560
<v Speaker 4>call digging in the crase, This is what I called it.

0:37:11.200 --> 0:37:13.040
<v Speaker 3>I'm texting all the young DJs that work here, like

0:37:13.080 --> 0:37:15.439
<v Speaker 3>y'all should really be in here with this grandmathter flash lesson.

0:37:15.440 --> 0:37:17.439
<v Speaker 4>I told you that. I'm texting like you should really

0:37:17.440 --> 0:37:17.799
<v Speaker 4>be here.

0:37:17.920 --> 0:37:30.600
<v Speaker 1>I told you so, I'm fan. Let's let let's take

0:37:30.600 --> 0:37:32.960
<v Speaker 1>a little deeper. Let's place your sick individual man, your

0:37:33.000 --> 0:37:37.680
<v Speaker 1>mind is crazy. Please, I gotta I gotta ask you,

0:37:37.840 --> 0:37:38.160
<v Speaker 1>what is it?

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<v Speaker 4>Nothing flash? We're gonna see this just like this.

0:37:42.200 --> 0:37:46.359
<v Speaker 2>I gotta Okay, Yes, why why don't you know when

0:37:46.400 --> 0:37:49.000
<v Speaker 2>I when I was battling DJ and doing that, I

0:37:49.040 --> 0:37:51.560
<v Speaker 2>would turn the teams the turntables the long way so

0:37:51.600 --> 0:37:53.360
<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't hit it when I was scratching. Why do

0:37:53.400 --> 0:37:55.080
<v Speaker 2>you keep you as the regular way because most TJ

0:37:55.239 --> 0:37:55.920
<v Speaker 2>turned it the long way.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the way when I was creating this.

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<v Speaker 5>This is the way I learned it because I watch

0:38:00.280 --> 0:38:03.920
<v Speaker 5>the disco DJs and they will always forward. It's just

0:38:03.960 --> 0:38:06.759
<v Speaker 5>that when I watch the DJs that were in our

0:38:06.920 --> 0:38:11.719
<v Speaker 5>young community, they will forward too. But it was just

0:38:12.360 --> 0:38:14.920
<v Speaker 5>somewhat of a nightmare. So now I want to go

0:38:16.239 --> 0:38:20.040
<v Speaker 5>analogue with no help, no net. And this is where

0:38:20.080 --> 0:38:23.200
<v Speaker 5>you have to learn how to drive. If you didn't

0:38:23.239 --> 0:38:23.839
<v Speaker 5>know how to drive.

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<v Speaker 4>This is a straight analog, no laptop, no nothing.

0:38:28.880 --> 0:38:32.360
<v Speaker 2>Your four arms will be strong because you had to

0:38:32.360 --> 0:38:33.440
<v Speaker 2>carry crates to the club.

0:38:34.400 --> 0:38:42.920
<v Speaker 5>So the mark when I did this to records, record

0:38:42.920 --> 0:38:48.760
<v Speaker 5>connoisseurs DJs that were usually the the tone arm style,

0:38:49.800 --> 0:38:53.759
<v Speaker 5>hated my guts, like, who do you think you are

0:38:55.239 --> 0:38:58.480
<v Speaker 5>putting your fingertips all over.

0:39:00.360 --> 0:39:00.960
<v Speaker 4>The records?

0:39:02.960 --> 0:39:07.800
<v Speaker 5>Now what I'm gonna do is and I got a

0:39:07.840 --> 0:39:10.719
<v Speaker 5>shortage to you, envy nom. I was telling you four

0:39:10.760 --> 0:39:15.160
<v Speaker 5>boys forward, yes, and then when I went four four

0:39:15.400 --> 0:39:17.600
<v Speaker 5>revolutions back, I wasn't in the wrong place.

0:39:18.239 --> 0:39:22.960
<v Speaker 1>I walked away for like a month because I was stuck.

0:39:24.040 --> 0:39:27.479
<v Speaker 1>Why is it if four bars are going forward, why

0:39:27.520 --> 0:39:28.680
<v Speaker 1>can't I go four bars?

0:39:28.719 --> 0:39:32.000
<v Speaker 5>Count the clockwise And it was in my face thoty

0:39:32.120 --> 0:39:35.880
<v Speaker 5>three and a third the third counter constitute for the

0:39:35.920 --> 0:39:39.239
<v Speaker 5>additional two extra ones.

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<v Speaker 1>I have to go back to re arrive to the

0:39:41.280 --> 0:39:42.080
<v Speaker 1>top of the break.

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<v Speaker 5>So I used I use.

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<v Speaker 1>The tone to just count how many times.

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<v Speaker 5>This line passes the tone arm and I knew I

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<v Speaker 5>would be back at the top of the break. And

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<v Speaker 5>this is to seemless loop that the producers adopted to

0:39:58.239 --> 0:40:02.080
<v Speaker 5>put into the computer. This sister quick mixed theory. That

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<v Speaker 5>is purist.

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<v Speaker 4>That's the thirty three and the third. That's why you

0:40:05.080 --> 0:40:07.359
<v Speaker 4>call himself dead. I'm sure DJ thirty three and the third.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't hear the quban who thought got thirty three

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<v Speaker 4>and the third?

0:40:10.480 --> 0:40:11.000
<v Speaker 1>That's crazy?

0:40:11.000 --> 0:40:11.839
<v Speaker 4>Why he's setting that up?

0:40:11.920 --> 0:40:12.319
<v Speaker 1>You got it?

0:40:12.360 --> 0:40:12.760
<v Speaker 4>Okay?

0:40:14.840 --> 0:40:16.640
<v Speaker 1>No, I don't hear it. Turn up a little bit.

0:40:18.160 --> 0:40:21.319
<v Speaker 1>Maybe the levels on there, okay? Is it good in

0:40:21.320 --> 0:40:22.880
<v Speaker 1>the ground, humming a little bit of ground and some

0:40:22.960 --> 0:40:25.520
<v Speaker 1>of it. Let's check that ground real.

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<v Speaker 4>You don't know how to do that? No more?

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, I do. You might believe you might have

0:40:28.160 --> 0:40:29.279
<v Speaker 1>to lick the back and I need a one good

0:40:29.280 --> 0:40:30.319
<v Speaker 1>time to toue true.

0:40:30.640 --> 0:40:33.279
<v Speaker 2>Oh he I'm a DJ flash don't know let him man,

0:40:33.320 --> 0:40:34.960
<v Speaker 2>don't man, mister you I'm gonna t.

0:40:34.960 --> 0:40:36.560
<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna test your heart before you get out of here.

0:40:37.200 --> 0:40:38.480
<v Speaker 3>I want to see if you still know how to

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<v Speaker 3>do that.

0:40:39.080 --> 0:40:41.160
<v Speaker 1>I started, I started.

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<v Speaker 4>Don't get nervous.

0:40:42.200 --> 0:40:45.439
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to know how to do this in the crib. Okay,

0:40:45.440 --> 0:40:48.640
<v Speaker 1>he's gonna, he's gonna now. Yeah, sometimes we hook up

0:40:48.680 --> 0:40:50.840
<v Speaker 1>and the grounds are not right or the r c

0:40:50.960 --> 0:40:53.640
<v Speaker 1>A is a little off. Yeah, did you lick the ship?

0:40:54.080 --> 0:40:55.440
<v Speaker 1>See that? You gotta look the back of it for

0:40:55.480 --> 0:40:57.719
<v Speaker 1>the connection to be good. So I want to look.

0:40:57.760 --> 0:40:59.319
<v Speaker 1>You know, I don't want to do that. You know,

0:40:59.480 --> 0:41:00.480
<v Speaker 1>we ain't. We ain't doing that.

0:41:00.560 --> 0:41:02.840
<v Speaker 2>You know most DJs licked their fingers and touch the

0:41:02.840 --> 0:41:04.800
<v Speaker 2>back of it. It's like blowing the cartridge on the

0:41:04.880 --> 0:41:05.560
<v Speaker 2>Nintendo game.

0:41:06.120 --> 0:41:09.839
<v Speaker 3>You think you gotta do it looking and blowing.

0:41:10.520 --> 0:41:16.440
<v Speaker 1>Shut up? Yeah we were good now, Okay, it works.

0:41:16.440 --> 0:41:22.960
<v Speaker 1>See okay, so guys, you sleep the seamless loop still

0:41:22.960 --> 0:41:24.080
<v Speaker 1>got a little ham on the right side.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm gonna play a couple of records, ladies and gentlemen,

0:41:26.480 --> 0:41:29.760
<v Speaker 5>And this is the quick mixtre be at its deepest.

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<v Speaker 1>Four boss forward six counterclockwise. Let's go one to count.

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<v Speaker 6>One two three, four five six check throw one two

0:41:57.360 --> 0:42:04.680
<v Speaker 6>three four five check throw Wow.

0:42:04.600 --> 0:42:05.719
<v Speaker 1>And this works.

0:42:06.080 --> 0:42:11.520
<v Speaker 5>Pop, rock, jazz, blues folks. Once I figured out that third,

0:42:13.400 --> 0:42:15.680
<v Speaker 5>we call this hip hop. They called it rock, and

0:42:15.719 --> 0:42:18.320
<v Speaker 5>their family, we call this hip hop. Come up next,

0:42:26.920 --> 0:42:28.000
<v Speaker 5>get ready to be count.

0:42:31.239 --> 0:42:43.080
<v Speaker 6>One two three, four five six check throw one two three,

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<v Speaker 6>four five six check.

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<v Speaker 1>Throw.

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<v Speaker 5>The four six thing works on any race, creed color groove.

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<v Speaker 13>Wow, what two three, four five six.

0:43:13.239 --> 0:43:14.320
<v Speaker 1>Then find sure.

0:43:16.640 --> 0:43:27.760
<v Speaker 11>One two three, four five six check one two three,

0:43:28.040 --> 0:43:32.080
<v Speaker 11>four five six check.

0:43:34.680 --> 0:43:39.920
<v Speaker 5>The four six thing works on any type of record

0:43:40.120 --> 0:43:46.160
<v Speaker 5>with the view. But then sometimes there's an exception to

0:43:46.200 --> 0:43:51.600
<v Speaker 5>the rule. Maybe it's only two bars, and if it's

0:43:51.640 --> 0:43:55.560
<v Speaker 5>two bars, now we'll go through four bars fifth counterclockwise.

0:43:55.640 --> 0:43:59.960
<v Speaker 5>Now it's two bars. Now it's three counterclockwise to make

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<v Speaker 5>a full loop.

0:44:07.280 --> 0:44:14.480
<v Speaker 14>One two three check, go one two three check go

0:44:16.000 --> 0:44:18.920
<v Speaker 14>one two three check go.

0:44:22.600 --> 0:44:27.360
<v Speaker 4>And this guy's playing right. I'm lost.

0:44:28.239 --> 0:44:29.759
<v Speaker 1>I get it, But that's the question.

0:44:30.600 --> 0:44:33.399
<v Speaker 2>Four balls forward right, Yeah, but it's not really four

0:44:33.400 --> 0:44:34.960
<v Speaker 2>balls because it's thirty three and the third So that

0:44:35.080 --> 0:44:37.600
<v Speaker 2>extra third that that makes makes up for the six

0:44:37.640 --> 0:44:39.480
<v Speaker 2>when you bring it back, right, do the math?

0:44:39.680 --> 0:44:44.600
<v Speaker 1>Gotcha? Wow? So so what you think? This is what

0:44:44.760 --> 0:44:50.800
<v Speaker 1>stuck me? This is why I got stuck?

0:44:53.840 --> 0:45:06.799
<v Speaker 15>One mm hmmm, two three four one q worrie war.

0:45:07.480 --> 0:45:11.120
<v Speaker 15>I'm in the wrong place. I'm in the wrong place.

0:45:11.239 --> 0:45:13.959
<v Speaker 15>I walked away from this steam. I'm like, damn, what

0:45:14.160 --> 0:45:18.160
<v Speaker 15>is wrong? And I was staring at it all the time.

0:45:18.640 --> 0:45:19.800
<v Speaker 15>God is good the magic.

0:45:20.200 --> 0:45:22.480
<v Speaker 1>Why don't you think DJs follow that?

0:45:22.560 --> 0:45:22.719
<v Speaker 4>Right?

0:45:22.760 --> 0:45:24.960
<v Speaker 1>And I'm gonna ask you why, right, because I touch

0:45:24.960 --> 0:45:25.680
<v Speaker 1>your equipment.

0:45:25.360 --> 0:45:27.680
<v Speaker 4>For if you still know how to use it?

0:45:28.360 --> 0:45:32.480
<v Speaker 2>If you for most DJs, right, what what they used

0:45:32.520 --> 0:45:32.960
<v Speaker 2>to do is.

0:45:37.160 --> 0:45:40.000
<v Speaker 1>So when you do that right now, what they would

0:45:40.000 --> 0:45:40.479
<v Speaker 1>have to do.

0:45:40.520 --> 0:45:43.520
<v Speaker 2>Is you have to go go until you don't hear

0:45:43.520 --> 0:45:44.040
<v Speaker 2>it anymore?

0:45:44.320 --> 0:45:46.279
<v Speaker 1>Right, but see, but but sometimes it breaks in the

0:45:46.280 --> 0:45:47.239
<v Speaker 1>middle though, right.

0:45:47.480 --> 0:45:48.960
<v Speaker 5>But you know, if you don't get bad science to

0:45:49.000 --> 0:45:52.000
<v Speaker 5>this and I didn't go into that is you have

0:45:52.080 --> 0:45:54.799
<v Speaker 5>to know how it sounds going backwards.

0:45:55.800 --> 0:45:58.840
<v Speaker 1>My Good Times is a perfect example. It goes like

0:45:58.920 --> 0:46:05.880
<v Speaker 1>you go do good time, no, no, no, no, you hear good.

0:46:05.520 --> 0:46:08.319
<v Speaker 5>Good backwards, and then you know you're at the top

0:46:08.320 --> 0:46:10.480
<v Speaker 5>of the gut of good times.

0:46:10.719 --> 0:46:12.840
<v Speaker 1>Like you gotta learn records how they sound backwards.

0:46:12.880 --> 0:46:15.000
<v Speaker 5>But that's the advanced form of it, and I'm trying

0:46:15.000 --> 0:46:16.960
<v Speaker 5>to keep it very basic and I love it.

0:46:17.360 --> 0:46:20.239
<v Speaker 2>I love it because more DJs would really understand it.

0:46:22.120 --> 0:46:25.759
<v Speaker 2>So this right here, right, this part right here right

0:46:25.760 --> 0:46:27.000
<v Speaker 2>when I used to see you do I'm side right

0:46:27.040 --> 0:46:30.080
<v Speaker 2>when you're where you.

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<v Speaker 1>Crabbing right or slashing right? Where did that come from?

0:46:31.880 --> 0:46:34.480
<v Speaker 1>That came from the hand mechanics of the quick mixedterary.

0:46:34.560 --> 0:46:39.600
<v Speaker 1>Because here's how I see it. Whether you are.

0:46:41.000 --> 0:46:45.799
<v Speaker 5>Cutting or seamless looping or rubbing the record back and

0:46:45.840 --> 0:46:51.000
<v Speaker 5>forth with the fader open scratching, or if you are crabbing,

0:46:51.360 --> 0:46:53.840
<v Speaker 5>all it is is just an advanced form of opening

0:46:53.920 --> 0:46:57.400
<v Speaker 5>and closing the panometer, which is the cross fader.

0:46:57.480 --> 0:46:59.520
<v Speaker 2>Correct And why did you why did you create that?

0:46:59.520 --> 0:47:01.040
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's amazing sound. I did it when I

0:47:01.080 --> 0:47:03.319
<v Speaker 2>used to battle. But what made you say this is

0:47:03.320 --> 0:47:06.160
<v Speaker 2>a sound I'm creating with the with the sounds, you know,

0:47:06.200 --> 0:47:07.640
<v Speaker 2>I mean, that.

0:47:07.760 --> 0:47:10.880
<v Speaker 1>Was okay, you know, but when I heard it, Jeff

0:47:12.239 --> 0:47:17.239
<v Speaker 1>scratched fasted Newmark talk about yeah, one of the best.

0:47:18.280 --> 0:47:22.799
<v Speaker 1>They like I am the eventa of the hand mechanics.

0:47:23.440 --> 0:47:25.080
<v Speaker 5>But all it is, if you think about it, is

0:47:25.160 --> 0:47:27.840
<v Speaker 5>just a matter of when you open and close the

0:47:27.960 --> 0:47:31.160
<v Speaker 5>fada and what you're doing with the vinyl. So now,

0:47:31.200 --> 0:47:35.279
<v Speaker 5>so when you are crabbing, you're moving a vinyl a

0:47:35.360 --> 0:47:39.280
<v Speaker 5>little faster, but you're opening and closing the panama the quicker.

0:47:39.920 --> 0:47:42.400
<v Speaker 5>But it's all the hand mechanics. The hand mechanics is

0:47:42.480 --> 0:47:45.840
<v Speaker 5>mind and the levels. Like you Si did this, this

0:47:45.960 --> 0:47:49.239
<v Speaker 5>kid by the name of Cubert, Like Cubert, he's not

0:47:49.280 --> 0:47:50.720
<v Speaker 5>even he's not even human.

0:47:50.840 --> 0:47:55.000
<v Speaker 2>And and and uh, jeff, y'all would make y'all could

0:47:55.000 --> 0:47:58.640
<v Speaker 2>make people dance by bringing the record backwards and crabbing.

0:47:58.719 --> 0:47:59.080
<v Speaker 1>And it was.

0:47:59.160 --> 0:48:00.839
<v Speaker 2>It was the most amazing thing I've ever seen in

0:48:00.840 --> 0:48:02.520
<v Speaker 2>Cubert definitely. And the bad thing about Cubert is you

0:48:02.560 --> 0:48:03.560
<v Speaker 2>really didn't see Cubert.

0:48:03.920 --> 0:48:07.600
<v Speaker 5>You just heard his tapes, right, So incredible as your

0:48:07.640 --> 0:48:10.080
<v Speaker 5>question shout out to my to my My first successful

0:48:10.080 --> 0:48:11.160
<v Speaker 5>student gram was the theater.

0:48:12.600 --> 0:48:15.760
<v Speaker 3>How do you how do you correlate counting the bars

0:48:15.800 --> 0:48:18.560
<v Speaker 3>on the turntable the MC's counting bars in the booth.

0:48:18.719 --> 0:48:21.399
<v Speaker 5>It's the same thing. Okay, it's it's actually the same thing.

0:48:21.400 --> 0:48:30.520
<v Speaker 5>It's just that when they're speaking, they're counting their verbal bars.

0:48:31.080 --> 0:48:34.880
<v Speaker 5>I'm counting musical balls. And what's paramount, Shaw is I

0:48:34.960 --> 0:48:38.520
<v Speaker 5>have to keep it steady. So I can't not while

0:48:38.520 --> 0:48:40.560
<v Speaker 5>they're saying they're right, I gotta keep it really steady.

0:48:42.840 --> 0:48:44.440
<v Speaker 5>And this is what the seamless loop is. So the

0:48:44.480 --> 0:48:47.239
<v Speaker 5>seamless loop is what he called cutting. And the thing

0:48:47.280 --> 0:48:47.640
<v Speaker 5>that what he.

0:48:47.680 --> 0:48:50.239
<v Speaker 1>Bugs you with people is they say, I want you

0:48:50.280 --> 0:48:50.760
<v Speaker 1>to scratch.

0:48:51.480 --> 0:48:55.200
<v Speaker 5>This is scratching is just one of the elements more

0:48:55.320 --> 0:48:56.240
<v Speaker 5>like cutting.

0:48:56.640 --> 0:49:00.200
<v Speaker 1>It's like, actually, a scratch becomes very import.

0:49:00.120 --> 0:49:03.360
<v Speaker 5>And when you're scratching against the music that's already playing,

0:49:03.480 --> 0:49:06.680
<v Speaker 5>or if you're crabbing against the music that's already playing,

0:49:06.800 --> 0:49:09.879
<v Speaker 5>you know what I'm saying, Or you're transforming. So these

0:49:09.880 --> 0:49:13.520
<v Speaker 5>are the things, guys that I really have to go

0:49:13.600 --> 0:49:16.360
<v Speaker 5>to the universities. Absolutely, go to the y m c

0:49:16.480 --> 0:49:19.839
<v Speaker 5>A's and and and will you show people that this

0:49:20.000 --> 0:49:23.200
<v Speaker 5>thing called hip hop didn't just and then just fall

0:49:23.200 --> 0:49:24.520
<v Speaker 5>out of a tree, Shaw.

0:49:24.360 --> 0:49:26.279
<v Speaker 4>It just did it. You did a birth of a

0:49:26.640 --> 0:49:29.000
<v Speaker 4>birth of the culture masterclass at the Kennedy Center.

0:49:28.840 --> 0:49:30.200
<v Speaker 1>Right, Yes, that.

0:49:31.800 --> 0:49:36.200
<v Speaker 5>I got two encores. It was absolutely was absolutely wonderful.

0:49:36.239 --> 0:49:38.040
<v Speaker 5>So now I'm going to be doing birth of a

0:49:38.120 --> 0:49:41.640
<v Speaker 5>Culture lectures and in the corporate world, but I'm gonna

0:49:41.640 --> 0:49:44.960
<v Speaker 5>do some public ones too because people need to understand.

0:49:47.760 --> 0:49:50.839
<v Speaker 1>Much respect to the first party, but there was much

0:49:50.880 --> 0:49:52.319
<v Speaker 1>more to get us here.

0:49:54.280 --> 0:49:58.200
<v Speaker 5>And that's where people need to understand that this thing

0:49:59.320 --> 0:50:06.360
<v Speaker 5>took engineering, mathematics, ingenuity and taking this item and squeezing

0:50:06.400 --> 0:50:10.280
<v Speaker 5>it with that item to make this all work. Because

0:50:10.280 --> 0:50:12.040
<v Speaker 5>I come from a time when it was none.

0:50:12.239 --> 0:50:13.200
<v Speaker 1>It was none of this.

0:50:13.440 --> 0:50:15.920
<v Speaker 5>Absolutely you know what I'm saying, and that there is

0:50:16.440 --> 0:50:18.960
<v Speaker 5>what I would wish the press would come ask us, come, come,

0:50:19.000 --> 0:50:19.840
<v Speaker 5>ask us, So who.

0:50:19.719 --> 0:50:21.080
<v Speaker 4>Made all of the money off of all of these

0:50:21.080 --> 0:50:23.399
<v Speaker 4>things that you created for all of them?

0:50:23.400 --> 0:50:24.280
<v Speaker 1>Did? Wow?

0:50:24.320 --> 0:50:26.400
<v Speaker 8>I'm talking about like what's far as trademarks, copyrights? Like

0:50:26.400 --> 0:50:29.800
<v Speaker 8>who all of them accept me? But you know something,

0:50:30.000 --> 0:50:32.799
<v Speaker 8>who asked me this question? What I had to do

0:50:32.840 --> 0:50:34.440
<v Speaker 8>all over again? I do it all over again, of

0:50:34.440 --> 0:50:37.080
<v Speaker 8>course way because I love what I do.

0:50:37.719 --> 0:50:40.760
<v Speaker 5>I'm like, this thing has got me in more trouble

0:50:40.800 --> 0:50:46.640
<v Speaker 5>with my significant other, my children. You know, I I'm

0:50:46.719 --> 0:50:48.680
<v Speaker 5>not proud that I had to leave my children so

0:50:48.800 --> 0:50:53.040
<v Speaker 5>much to tour until leave to get away. But other

0:50:53.120 --> 0:50:58.160
<v Speaker 5>than that, like I'm madly in love with this and

0:50:58.200 --> 0:51:01.040
<v Speaker 5>that's it's just that right now out during this this

0:51:01.040 --> 0:51:05.880
<v Speaker 5>this pivotal time for this thing disappears on the twelfth

0:51:06.000 --> 0:51:07.080
<v Speaker 5>of August.

0:51:07.560 --> 0:51:10.800
<v Speaker 1>I gotta get where I gotta get and I gotta.

0:51:10.640 --> 0:51:14.040
<v Speaker 5>Teach these young journalists and the people that do these

0:51:14.120 --> 0:51:16.680
<v Speaker 5>kind of things, like the babies, like listen, this is

0:51:17.480 --> 0:51:18.440
<v Speaker 5>this is what it was.

0:51:18.640 --> 0:51:20.239
<v Speaker 1>What about what about a book? I know you got

0:51:20.239 --> 0:51:22.399
<v Speaker 1>the Adventures of Grand Master Flast, but what about a book.

0:51:22.480 --> 0:51:24.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna do another one with detail.

0:51:24.239 --> 0:51:26.520
<v Speaker 2>A lot of this, and because see the thing is

0:51:27.000 --> 0:51:29.440
<v Speaker 2>an I fall victim to it too. It's like you

0:51:29.560 --> 0:51:33.040
<v Speaker 2>learn something. And a lot of times we're so microwave happy,

0:51:33.080 --> 0:51:34.360
<v Speaker 2>like we want it fast and we want to do

0:51:34.360 --> 0:51:36.440
<v Speaker 2>it now that we don't necessarily learn the history of

0:51:36.440 --> 0:51:38.640
<v Speaker 2>where it came from, you know, which is sad. But

0:51:39.800 --> 0:51:41.680
<v Speaker 2>in my defense, back then we didn't have there was

0:51:41.719 --> 0:51:44.000
<v Speaker 2>no internet. There was no way to learn, you know

0:51:44.040 --> 0:51:46.319
<v Speaker 2>what I mean unless I was in the bronx or

0:51:46.320 --> 0:51:48.239
<v Speaker 2>in the park. You know, as a kid, I couldn't learn.

0:51:48.520 --> 0:51:51.319
<v Speaker 2>But now with this society, there's ways that you can

0:51:51.360 --> 0:51:54.480
<v Speaker 2>actually learn where this came from a where it's like

0:51:54.840 --> 0:51:57.480
<v Speaker 2>the fact that you invented the slip mat, you know,

0:51:57.520 --> 0:51:59.720
<v Speaker 2>even though you don't get props for it or money

0:51:59.719 --> 0:52:01.680
<v Speaker 2>for it. But that's amazing and I think people should

0:52:01.719 --> 0:52:04.040
<v Speaker 2>understand that because all DJs use a slip mat that

0:52:04.120 --> 0:52:05.400
<v Speaker 2>used turn the table, you know what I mean, And

0:52:05.440 --> 0:52:07.799
<v Speaker 2>some of those things I think that should be understood.

0:52:08.280 --> 0:52:08.520
<v Speaker 1>You know.

0:52:08.600 --> 0:52:10.640
<v Speaker 5>For me, a lot of people say, well, you're not

0:52:10.680 --> 0:52:13.040
<v Speaker 5>getting no money for it, you know, And this is

0:52:13.080 --> 0:52:21.040
<v Speaker 5>how I see it, Guys. People happily celebrate the birthday. Correct,

0:52:21.280 --> 0:52:25.600
<v Speaker 5>I'm gonna give a damn about that. When God takes

0:52:25.640 --> 0:52:30.920
<v Speaker 5>me my death day, what am I gonna leave for

0:52:31.040 --> 0:52:33.840
<v Speaker 5>the babies to take it to the next level. My

0:52:34.000 --> 0:52:36.759
<v Speaker 5>death day is more important than my birthday. And my

0:52:36.880 --> 0:52:38.960
<v Speaker 5>birthday is on the most famous day of the year,

0:52:39.000 --> 0:52:41.640
<v Speaker 5>which is January first. Wow, you know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 1>So before I'm out of here, I gotta make sure

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<v Speaker 1>that the producer.

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<v Speaker 5>And the DJ is respected because if you think about this,

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<v Speaker 5>if I was the engine and the producers were a

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<v Speaker 5>fuel the cannon be it's made very very easy for

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<v Speaker 5>the rapper to sit in it and blast off, and

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<v Speaker 5>that needs to be talked about where this thing came from,

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<v Speaker 5>how did it come about?

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<v Speaker 1>We need to talk about this.

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<v Speaker 5>And this is a black art form and and I'm

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<v Speaker 5>hoping that this isn't another form like jazz. I go

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<v Speaker 5>through one thing and all of a sudden it goes left.

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<v Speaker 5>As long as I'm living that that ain't gonna happen here.

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<v Speaker 5>And I thank you guys for allowing me to be here.

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<v Speaker 4>Man, I do got one more question.

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<v Speaker 3>Karras once said that he refused to be a part

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<v Speaker 3>of the Grammy's Fifty Years of Hip Hop Special because

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<v Speaker 3>it took so long for the Grammys they acknowledge hip hop.

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<v Speaker 4>What do you think about that? And did you get

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<v Speaker 4>the call?

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<v Speaker 1>I got the call? Yeah, I got the call quite

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<v Speaker 1>a few times. I know, Harvey Mason Jr.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, personally, I respect a man's point of view

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<v Speaker 5>if that's their point of view, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think for me, I need to be on

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<v Speaker 1>as many.

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<v Speaker 5>Big media to situations that's possible because I'm really like

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<v Speaker 5>the last of my kind that's speaking, and after me,

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<v Speaker 5>there's probably no one.

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<v Speaker 1>So I thank you guys here, thank you, I thank

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<v Speaker 1>you for answering.

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<v Speaker 5>My d M absolutely come on and we here and

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<v Speaker 5>it's always a pleasure man, always a pleasure master. Gentlemen,

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<v Speaker 5>thank you, and I'll we do these lectures, these corporate lectures,

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<v Speaker 5>birth of a coach of lectures. Look for me and

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<v Speaker 5>I'm gonna do two free ones, one of the Bronx

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<v Speaker 5>and one of Manhattan, probably during Black History Months in February.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, grand Master Flash, grand Master Flash, ladies and gentlemen,

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<v Speaker 2>make sure you're following them on on Instagram, all socials.

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<v Speaker 3>At DJ Flash Forever, on all socials at DJ Flash Forever.

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<v Speaker 1>And you just turn around. I just want to read

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<v Speaker 1>the back of your hoodie man.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because the HOODIEES monumental says, the first DJ to

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<v Speaker 2>make the turntable an instrument, first DJ to have a rapper,

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<v Speaker 2>first DJ to be in the Rock and Roll Hall

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<v Speaker 2>of Fame, first DJ to be on s Rex SAM,

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<v Speaker 2>first DJ to get a Grammy, first DJ to get

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<v Speaker 2>a Polar Prize, Grandmaster in the.

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<v Speaker 3>First DJ to give a history lesson about DJ and

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<v Speaker 3>on the Breakfast Club.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, Grandmaster Flash, ladies and gentlemen, it's the Breakfast Club.

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<v Speaker 1>Good Morning waits up in the morning.

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<v Speaker 4>The Breakfast Club