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Speaker 1: What's up everyone, and welcome to the Playmaker's Podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Haley Elwood. In. Today's show is a fun one.

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Speaker 1: That's because we're talking to the bad Moms aka Cassie

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Speaker 1: Stewart and Sandra Martin. Cassie and Sandra are significant others

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Speaker 1: to Denzel Perryman and Keenan Allen, respectively, and also moms

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Speaker 1: to three kids each. I'll talk to them about what

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Speaker 1: it's like balancing motherhood with football, how they handle it all,

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Speaker 1: and most importantly, why they refer to themselves as the

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Speaker 1: bad Moms. So now let's welcome in Cassie and Sandra,

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Speaker 1: presented by Mercury Insurance. Okay, now let's say hello to

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Speaker 1: Cassie Stewart and Sandra Martin. How are you guys today? Amazing, good, good.

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Speaker 1: So we got to kick it off with this because

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Speaker 1: you call yourselves the bad Moms. But where did that

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Speaker 1: come from? Walk me through sort of the genesis of that.

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Speaker 1: I don't really think it came from anywhere. It kind

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Speaker 1: of started with the whole movie thinking being able to

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Speaker 1: relate because they finally made a movie that like, maybe

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Speaker 1: not everything they go through, but you can kind of

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Speaker 1: relate on a lot of levels to like what they

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Speaker 1: deal with. That is how we feel sometimes even though

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Speaker 1: it's hard to be like admit that, like we're not

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Speaker 1: perfect sometimes and that we don't have it all together.

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Speaker 1: And it was like, thankfully for I'm thankful for see,

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Speaker 1: because it's like, honestly, between her and m the reason

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Speaker 1: that I got myself back in the gym and being

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Speaker 1: able to realize that even though our men do come

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Speaker 1: first a lot of the times, and so do our kids,

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Speaker 1: it's okay to sometimes prioritize us as women and us

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Speaker 1: as like we got to remember we're still people even

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Speaker 1: though we have responsibilities, and I think sometimes we get

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Speaker 1: really caught up in our responsibilities and we forget about ourselves.

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Speaker 1: So that being said, with her getting me basically finding

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Speaker 1: the gym and convincing us like you know, come on,

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Speaker 1: you got to do this. Let's do this, it's like,

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Speaker 1: you know what, we can be like moms, but like

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Speaker 1: it's okay to live our life yeah, and still be

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Speaker 1: good moms while we do it. It's okay to better ourselves. Well,

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Speaker 1: it's important to do that too, so we're good moms.

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Speaker 1: It's just more like it's okay that we don't have

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Speaker 1: it all together all the time. And me individually, it

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Speaker 1: took me a long time to be able to be

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Speaker 1: open with people and be like, you know, my life

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Speaker 1: is a mess sometimes, like I don't have it all together.

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Speaker 1: Finding someone like her who is very much in a

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Speaker 1: similar as far as our kids go, and like in

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Speaker 1: the life that we're in, like she gets it more

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Speaker 1: than most people, because not everybody has three kids. Not

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Speaker 1: everybody understands like how tiring it can really be on

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Speaker 1: you as an individual. Yeah, yeah, that's my side of it.

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Speaker 1: I don't know about her how she feels, but I

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Speaker 1: think you said it. I was literally going back to

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Speaker 1: the movie and watching it and just everything you said. So, yeah,

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Speaker 1: did you guys watch that together at all? No? No, okay,

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Speaker 1: I watched it separately. Okay, I watched that movie all

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Speaker 1: the time. Then you're having really bad days. I really

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Speaker 1: I watched that movie. Is it like reminds me, Like

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Speaker 1: the one scene that I always remember is when she's

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Speaker 1: crying in her car after bringing them back and forth,

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Speaker 1: and she's like, at least once the day, I cry

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Speaker 1: once to day, but that feeling, it's Green, I can

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Speaker 1: you can so relate to how she feels in that moment.

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Speaker 1: It's like, oh yeah, so, I mean it is like

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Speaker 1: you said, it's a hard job though, because you're significant others,

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Speaker 1: two guys who play in the NFL. You each have

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Speaker 1: three kids, two girls and a boy, like you said,

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Speaker 1: very similar. But ultimately, Susie Spanos when I had her on,

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Speaker 1: she calls the significant others. She calls you guys the playmakers.

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Speaker 1: So when you hear that, what does that kind of

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Speaker 1: mean to you? Well, playmakers, I guess, because we make

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Speaker 1: all the plays, like we're we're the ones kind of

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Speaker 1: we have multiple jobs, not just you know, based on

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Speaker 1: our significant others and making sure they're good, but it's

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Speaker 1: like home life and kids and everything else that comes

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Speaker 1: Yeah generals, Yeah, for sure. Because I must say, like

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Speaker 1: They just see what we show them. Yeah, they see

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Speaker 1: it's a multitude of things, like she said, it's not

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Speaker 1: When you kind of led me into my next question,

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Speaker 1: misunderstanding or misconception about being a significant other to an

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Speaker 1: there's a lot. I mean, obviously there has been shows, yeah,

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Speaker 1: the wag shows, and it shows kind of like this

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Speaker 1: But oh my gosh, I'm a hot mess like of

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Speaker 1: to or like an event, but and that's very limited.

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Speaker 1: So I don't know. I just I just think that

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Speaker 1: and wet skittles for breakfast. It's a little harder than that, oh, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think what is hard for me is on social

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Speaker 1: media seeing little girls honestly think that we have our

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Speaker 1: when of her friends, like I applaud her and have

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Speaker 1: But it's just the friendships that can bring you and

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Speaker 1: you would never know, but just the everlasting friendships. And

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Speaker 1: up finding each other here, right, And that helps too, No,

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Speaker 1: Do personalities matchups, Yes, there's nothing wrong with it, but

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Speaker 1: where they're around, So let's be friends. But it doesn't

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