Speaker 1: Welcome back to another edition. All the smoke Jack was good, Man,
Speaker 1: ready to roll was good. My brother, I hit children,
Speaker 1: just got some good games in this morning. What about
Speaker 1: I heard I heard you was out there doing your
Speaker 1: thing at the l A Fitness Yeah. Man, you know
Speaker 1: I hit party folks, So I gotta just drop off
Speaker 1: party falling up. Yeah, everybody party pulling up in trouble. Hey,
Speaker 1: when you stay in your lane, there ain't no traffic. Bro.
Speaker 1: You died. Hey, man, this interview right here is a
Speaker 1: long time coming. Um, I'm excited we got this man
Speaker 1: here today. Uh. Someone who you know I looked up
Speaker 1: to when I was younger playing who Uh, someone that
Speaker 1: Jack knows really well. Welcome to the show. Shaheen, Holloway coach.
Speaker 1: How you doing. I'm doing good, feathers Man, thanks for
Speaker 1: having me married. A big fan of the show Man,
Speaker 1: big fan. Appreciate that. Thank you for your time. Man. Uh.
Speaker 1: A lot of new big stuff is going on for
Speaker 1: you to We appreciate you sharing some time with us. Um,
Speaker 1: let's get to it, you guys, as you as the
Speaker 1: head coach former head coach of St. Pete Man a
Speaker 1: historical n C double a run. Uh this past March.
Speaker 1: Before we talk about that run, tell us how that
Speaker 1: job came about. Oh, you the A D that we
Speaker 1: used to be the A D at um St Peter's.
Speaker 1: He worked with me. I've seen the Hall for eight
Speaker 1: years and we got the job over there. He called
Speaker 1: me up. You know, I trust him, you know I
Speaker 1: believe in this vision. Gave my first opportunity and then
Speaker 1: the rest kind of history. What was that experience like?
Speaker 1: Obviously you know, coming from Seton Hall, going to a
Speaker 1: smaller college, but then being able to build them up, Uh,
Speaker 1: not only into a Cinderella story, but just a well
Speaker 1: disciplined team that played hard, had a lot of heart. Uh.
Speaker 1: What was that. Talk to us about that process and
Speaker 1: how that happened. You know it was at first it
Speaker 1: was tough, right, any time you go from a high
Speaker 1: major to a low major. Right, Um, things that you're
Speaker 1: not used to, you know, far as budget and how
Speaker 1: you travel and you know, having a strength coach and
Speaker 1: things like that. So I had to work through all
Speaker 1: that stuff. But at the end of the day, to
Speaker 1: be honest with you, Matt, I which we just gotta
Speaker 1: do that with that one. The ball right, just dude
Speaker 1: that was hungry, had chip on his shoulder that was underrecruited.
Speaker 1: People didn't believe in them. I brought them in. You know,
Speaker 1: I like tough guys. I played a certain way, so
Speaker 1: I want gods to fit my personality, right, So when
Speaker 1: I was going through the process of recruiting guys, I
Speaker 1: wanted guys like that god that you know, just homebread
Speaker 1: and it's kind of something to prove that. I want
Speaker 1: to know, eat your food, you feel me. And that's
Speaker 1: kind of the guys I brought in. And you know,
Speaker 1: it was a build up for three years, and to
Speaker 1: be honest, you I thought year too we had a
Speaker 1: good chance of doing something special with covidhait Um and
Speaker 1: then ye have red. You know, we kind of went
Speaker 1: up and down. Then no, fourth year we kind of
Speaker 1: paid together and kind of made this run beautiful. Obviously,
Speaker 1: situations with situations like this are always bitter sweet when
Speaker 1: you're working with the lower major program because when you
Speaker 1: do find when you do get that success, you know
Speaker 1: you're gonna go, you know, up to the major league,
Speaker 1: so to speak. Uh being you built such an amazing
Speaker 1: energy and and identity for it, How hard was it
Speaker 1: and what did you tell your guys when you decided
Speaker 1: to take the seat and job Seaton seting the hall
Speaker 1: head spot. Well, I'll be honest with you, Matt, it
Speaker 1: was it was easy, right, Um, not so easy at
Speaker 1: this point. The guys made it easy for me. Right.
Speaker 1: I went to locker room and we was in there
Speaker 1: for three hours, bro, just chopping it up, kicking it,
Speaker 1: and Theil God was like, coach, you gotta go. You know,
Speaker 1: that's home. You work your butt off for this opportunity,
Speaker 1: Like that's something that we would do if we had
Speaker 1: the opportunity. So when they told me that, you know,
Speaker 1: it was it made it easy for me. Um. And
Speaker 1: then the next two hours when we did we were
Speaker 1: just in there just reminiscent of the journey and they're
Speaker 1: making front of me the way I coach and we
Speaker 1: are talking, you know, all the other stuff that they
Speaker 1: you know, the players love to do. But now it
Speaker 1: was easy, man, They made it easy for me, for sure.
Speaker 1: That's beautiful. Looking back on the journey, on the experience,
Speaker 1: what particularly stood out to you about this tournament run?
Speaker 1: You know what? Just right for these guys, you know,
Speaker 1: and obviously I'm sitting here told to you guys, I'm
Speaker 1: blessed to be here, but it wasn't for those guys,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be be here today talking to you guys, right,
Speaker 1: So for me, for them, it was like everything right.
Speaker 1: You know, you admit major, you know you work your
Speaker 1: your butt off. You look at this type of stuff
Speaker 1: on TV growing up, and for them, guys are being
Speaker 1: that spotlight and performed the way they performed. Like I
Speaker 1: just was sitting back taking it in like for real,
Speaker 1: for real, Like I'm sitting there like these guys get
Speaker 1: a chance to build Dave brand right now, right, you know,
Speaker 1: we got the white kid on my team to dug
Speaker 1: at it like he's making a killer right now right
Speaker 1: with the name, image and likeness because his beard and
Speaker 1: where he played in America. Loved them. And these guys
Speaker 1: are like now starting to get to everything that the
Speaker 1: hot majors get, right, all the attention and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: So I just love the attention for them and beyond
Speaker 1: you just playing gets the best teams and knocking them off.
Speaker 1: What was it like to finally sign your name on
Speaker 1: that dotted line, you know, getting a chance to play there,
Speaker 1: going back, going down and then coming back. Now, what
Speaker 1: was it like when you sign your name as the
Speaker 1: head coach at right, right, So I'm gonna be you know,
Speaker 1: this is a real show, so you gotta be be real, right,
Speaker 1: it's gonna fake stuff here, right, So you know, I
Speaker 1: had to make sure they understand that it wasn't gonna
Speaker 1: hit me with the hometol herold nonsense, right, because you
Speaker 1: know when you're going back to you Alma mata, it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: you're coming back here. So now they did try to
Speaker 1: short change you. I'm like, now, you're not gonna hit
Speaker 1: me with the hometown hero We're gonna do this. We
Speaker 1: wanna do this, right. You gotta make sense for both
Speaker 1: of us. Man, for me to tell you truth. When
Speaker 1: I looked at it, I had to make sure it
Speaker 1: was good because this is home, and when home, you
Speaker 1: don't want to mess it up, right. You wouldn't want
Speaker 1: to go in there and make sure it's the right
Speaker 1: situation with the right people and not trust the people
Speaker 1: that was here at the time. Right now, um, and
Speaker 1: I can't mess it up. It's too important for me.
Speaker 1: So I had to make sure everything was right. So
Speaker 1: when I signed, like it was just like a sign
Speaker 1: of relief, right, because it's just too much going on
Speaker 1: like that run we made and coming back and everybody's happy.
Speaker 1: But at the same time I had to make sure
Speaker 1: it was right on both friends, for me, for the school,
Speaker 1: and financially to keep it real. Yeah it works. I
Speaker 1: think I speak for all of us who were excited
Speaker 1: to see what kind of culture you build over there
Speaker 1: in which you can do uh for that program. Uh.
Speaker 1: Moving on the McDonald's All American game was it? Was
Speaker 1: it ninety six? Yea Loading Class. There's no there's no
Speaker 1: argument here, but been wanting to get to is. I
Speaker 1: wanted to talk to the real if of the game.
Speaker 1: I worked with the niggative thinks C is the m
Speaker 1: v P, but I wanted to work. I wanted to
Speaker 1: talk to the real MVP. My switch side at happen
Speaker 1: so much. Hey, so talk to us about that game again,
Speaker 1: Loaded Class, Loaded Class. It's well documented. Who played, um
Speaker 1: talk about that experience, Uh, some of the guys in it,
Speaker 1: and then you and Jack. I want you Injack, to
Speaker 1: get to the m v P conversations. To be honest,
Speaker 1: you right, like da e sperience was everything right because
Speaker 1: it was the first time that all of us really
Speaker 1: came together, like we heard everybody heard about each other
Speaker 1: from like like you know, everybody from different stages, different places,
Speaker 1: and you never got a chance to really play. The
Speaker 1: game was to be honest with you, the game was trash.
Speaker 1: To practice was like Steve could tell you, like dudes
Speaker 1: was going at it like everybody has something. Everybody has
Speaker 1: something to prove right, everybody right, So you know, Corey
Speaker 1: Benjamin had something pool against, Kobe had something fool against Steve,
Speaker 1: and Alexander had something like everybody. I had something pool
Speaker 1: against Mike Bibby. It was just like everybody was like
Speaker 1: going at each other's neck. The practices was like everything, um,
Speaker 1: the game was just fun to be on you. So
Speaker 1: those two days of practicing and going to like the
Speaker 1: Ronto McDonald house and visiting places in Pittsburgh kind of
Speaker 1: put things in perspective, right, Like we you know, as athletes,
Speaker 1: we don't understand what other people are going through. So
Speaker 1: then when you go and you visit those houses and
Speaker 1: see what the kids doing stuff like that, to me,
Speaker 1: that was the best part of it. And then getting
Speaker 1: chance to do everybody right, Like you see people but
Speaker 1: you don't really know him, and then you get a
Speaker 1: chance to know people and like, oh, he's like me like,
Speaker 1: he's a real dude. Oh and then you get chance
Speaker 1: to chop it up with people like to me, that
Speaker 1: was the best experience man. A lot of people don't
Speaker 1: remember this though. And we was in practice. We was
Speaker 1: going through walkthrough and Rip Hamilton was going COVID. COVID
Speaker 1: just swung through and went dunked it hard and coaches like, oh,
Speaker 1: ye'all want to y'all want to play for real. COVID's like, no,
Speaker 1: let's really, let's get after it, and we would. And
Speaker 1: like you said, our practice, what was I was gaging
Speaker 1: because you had Jamain On, Neil Tim Thomas going at it,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. You had you had Corey
Speaker 1: Benchman and Kobe going at it, Shaheen and Mike Bibbie,
Speaker 1: and we also had a colder like boys was really
Speaker 1: going at it, Bro, Like I understanding it was for me.
Speaker 1: For me too, Bro, I feel the same way you felt.
Speaker 1: Like this was our first time altogether. We all heard
Speaker 1: each other dog. But to all be on the same team,
Speaker 1: to all pay together like that was that that was
Speaker 1: definitely the height, not even the game, but like you said,
Speaker 1: just to be around everybody was the height of mcdonnal's
Speaker 1: game for probably me too. It was so crazy, right
Speaker 1: because you look at the guy rights stack that we
Speaker 1: don't even talk about, but the time, like Ronnie Fields
Speaker 1: was that dude like he was to do in all
Speaker 1: class for everybody before he got in the carcent Ronnie
Speaker 1: was that dude. So for Ronn and be out there
Speaker 1: and to be with us in that experience man like
Speaker 1: and and and the Ease team would just stack like
Speaker 1: a team was ridiculous. We would have had Ronnie Fields,
Speaker 1: bro mm y'all didn't y'all didn't even need it, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like think about that, like like
Speaker 1: like we had to start us and then like it
Speaker 1: really wasn't no come up the bench. You got add Quota, JAMAINEO,
Speaker 1: Nail sail At, You had all those guys come up
Speaker 1: like we had a crew. Like it was just who
Speaker 1: was your guys are starting five? It was it was me, Stag, Kobe,
Speaker 1: Tim and it wasn't it was was it all no Jamae,
Speaker 1: it was it was Jamane right now, Jamaine didn't start.
Speaker 1: Now Jamae came up the bench. Remember Jamaica up the
Speaker 1: bench with ad Quota. I think it was. It was
Speaker 1: y sail at them by sail. That's that's that's you
Speaker 1: threw the bounce pass through the legs two yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know how you got the Starlina, but like
Speaker 1: that's a that was out there. Who was? Who was?
Speaker 1: Do you guys remember who the other team starting letter was?
Speaker 1: Mike Baby, Corey Benjamin Leicester? Yeah, Leicester? Remember my guy
Speaker 1: from orom went from? It was an animal? What went
Speaker 1: from was a bucket? Yes, sir, I was gonna say,
Speaker 1: that's the one thing that kids today don't understand because
Speaker 1: I coached my thirteen year old and you see what
Speaker 1: the internet, You see everything, and you know who people
Speaker 1: are before you you can actually meet him. Back then,
Speaker 1: if you wasn't reading the little the Little the Little
Speaker 1: the little magazines, you didn't know who know what was
Speaker 1: until you ran up on them in the game, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously when you get to the McDonald's point,
Speaker 1: it's different. But I'm talking about in the process of
Speaker 1: AU Like you said, you really didn't go coast to
Speaker 1: coast and really play those teams. You didn't have no
Speaker 1: kind of conversations with them, dude, Like it wasn't like
Speaker 1: y'all didn't know each other to you actually played each other,
Speaker 1: and it's just so much different these days. Yeah'll don't
Speaker 1: get your y'all, don't get your props, you code and
Speaker 1: them like y'all. Was really some of the first ones
Speaker 1: that the big name brands was really getting behind at
Speaker 1: a young age. You know, I'll tell you one thing, bro,
Speaker 1: real talk Tim. Don't get his propless like Tim should
Speaker 1: you know Tim Thomas? Like Tim Lemon twelfth grade like
Speaker 1: now Kobe took off shee a year. But Tim the
Speaker 1: stuff he was doing great. He was a christ Man
Speaker 1: bro like like he taking the coach to coach Matt,
Speaker 1: throwing off the glass, catching it like at six eleven,
Speaker 1: doing all the things like a guard. Dude, bro if
Speaker 1: he had a crazy class. Though he had a crazy class.
Speaker 1: It was good to be honest with you, man, Like
Speaker 1: anybody could have got that the m v P. I
Speaker 1: think because of like the way the things were set
Speaker 1: up right, and then I was a guard that was
Speaker 1: just kind of feeding everybody, like Stack. It was set
Speaker 1: up for Kobe to get it, trust me, and I'll
Speaker 1: be hones with you. Everybody thought he was going it
Speaker 1: was like it was Kobe king right. It was like
Speaker 1: the way it was the show. But I just think
Speaker 1: that the way it was set up, and you know,
Speaker 1: the thing I loved about is with our team, no
Speaker 1: one cared who did what, Like no one cared that
Speaker 1: like Stack was doing and then Ed Cooda did it.
Speaker 1: Then Jermaine the RiPP like no one cares. Like we
Speaker 1: were just out there balling, you know, I mean, and
Speaker 1: God was having fun. And at the end the day,
Speaker 1: like I said, most of my assists probably came from
Speaker 1: Stack right like he remember he every time he scored,
Speaker 1: he did this like all this, like you know, that
Speaker 1: was his thing. I think that was the you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, like it's the creat thing is I
Speaker 1: watched like like I got that film and I watched
Speaker 1: it like two weeks ago. Man, it's crazy, It's crazy crazy.
Speaker 1: I gotta see some of that, I think. I think,
Speaker 1: I think what my highlights of Shin of the game was.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember, do you remember how
Speaker 1: many times you you hit Mike with the in and out?
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, I'm talking about every place I'll be
Speaker 1: on with you brought and no one here could say
Speaker 1: that the person that they was playing against it wasn't personal.
Speaker 1: It was personal, Broke. Mike was nice, like you was
Speaker 1: going up against Corey Pigeman, right, it was prob because
Speaker 1: Corey was to do on the West coast. It was personal, right,
Speaker 1: Mike wasn't going to east West coast. It was probably right.
Speaker 1: So now I'm like, know the problem was that was,
Speaker 1: to be honest, we had two many dudes trying to go.
Speaker 1: Everybody wants to go, like coming down court? Who turn
Speaker 1: is it? You know what I'm saying. So that was like,
Speaker 1: he's like, that was our thing, man? But it was fun, man,
Speaker 1: and we won the games. So that's the big part.
Speaker 1: So Mike not Mike not playing defense didn't start in
Speaker 1: the league. It's always been that way. But you know what,
Speaker 1: mikels a bucket. He see that. Mike ain't seen nothing
Speaker 1: like that though my game. He was coming from the west.
Speaker 1: He really, you know, Mike had all of them, no
Speaker 1: little pastorship, but he ain't never seen nobody to play
Speaker 1: with the ball like she like. But Mike was a bucket,
Speaker 1: bro always been a bucket. What's go again? One more?
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Speaker 1: day is of like for you? Now you know um
Speaker 1: present day? How are you in the family? You know what? Man,
Speaker 1: we blessed bro to tell your truth. Man, thanks for
Speaker 1: asking when we bless But right now it's a whirlwind, right,
Speaker 1: you got to keep it real. You've got thirty five
Speaker 1: thou people calling for jobs you got and remember trying
Speaker 1: to hold you up, to stick you up. You know,
Speaker 1: you know how I go. You you guys walking through it.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. You got But it's it's
Speaker 1: all up though, right, because that's who we are and
Speaker 1: where we come from, right, you know, that's family and
Speaker 1: then that's what we expect. Um. So there's nothing new
Speaker 1: but for its a job, you know, just trying to
Speaker 1: get this roster together, to trying to build, trying to build.
Speaker 1: God's the kind of guys I want in here, um
Speaker 1: and and make sure everybody understand that, you know, like
Speaker 1: like I'm coming in, I'm trying to win, bro, Like
Speaker 1: I'm trying to win this big East. You know, I
Speaker 1: don't care who's coaching against who. Man, I'm just trying
Speaker 1: to come in and just you know, build what I
Speaker 1: gotta build. It used to be such alleged legendary conference
Speaker 1: born in South Jamaica, Queens the real New York. What
Speaker 1: was the eighties liking Queens? Man? You know all there is, man, dudes,
Speaker 1: you know, you know you have the Feens on the corner.
Speaker 1: You know, may lined up. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: You got all you know, you got to take up
Speaker 1: dudes out there doing what what they do? You know,
Speaker 1: us two kids were in the park just I don't
Speaker 1: know anything, right, just out there playing, have no idea
Speaker 1: what's ahead of us? Um And then you know, black
Speaker 1: homes into trouble, right, it's it's you know, how are
Speaker 1: you gonna eat? How are you how you gonna survive?
Speaker 1: Then then you got the dope boy taking care of
Speaker 1: the kids in the in the in the hood, because
Speaker 1: that's what it was. Right when did basketball coming the
Speaker 1: picture for you? Man? Like you know, right ten of eleven, right,
Speaker 1: and not just was to get out of trouble, like
Speaker 1: just going to park or go on trips just and
Speaker 1: so you understand, like and tell your tooth real talking
Speaker 1: like so you can eat said you go to eat trips, right,
Speaker 1: and you're going with AU programs just like and back
Speaker 1: then there wasn't a lot of Air You programs like
Speaker 1: Matt and stack y'all. Remember, like it was just like
Speaker 1: maybe two or three AU programs that was staff with
Speaker 1: thirteen dudes. Right now, every parent got a Air You
Speaker 1: program because their kids not good enough. Already got a
Speaker 1: program like to put their kids on, but now it
Speaker 1: was out there. He was like, you had to be
Speaker 1: good and you had to fight, right, So like y'all
Speaker 1: remember going in the park and yeah, you might not
Speaker 1: play for five six games like you got next. So
Speaker 1: when you go out there, you have to be super
Speaker 1: tough and you had to play. And for me, I
Speaker 1: always played up. So that gave me the advantage because
Speaker 1: when I came back to my age group, it was
Speaker 1: easy for me. Remember how deep the church was. Man,
Speaker 1: I'll talk about it all the time with these guys
Speaker 1: to church. I mean that that that's that's probably was
Speaker 1: the most legendary AU program out right. They had Dad,
Speaker 1: they had a whip man, but New York has a
Speaker 1: decorated culture. Point guards. Yeah, which name which one of
Speaker 1: the point guards that she was looking up to when
Speaker 1: you was coming up? Well, you know it was Kennston
Speaker 1: and Daved Woods cop Us and that like those two
Speaker 1: guys changed the game for me, all right. And then
Speaker 1: there was a legendary dude that people never even talked about,
Speaker 1: like he's a rucker, you know, legend And you know
Speaker 1: it was Booker. I'm not sure you guys heard about
Speaker 1: Booger Street door Man man. You know, I know little
Speaker 1: Booger Man. I played with him in the Rugga. That's right,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. That's right? Yeah, right. So
Speaker 1: Book was like that, dude, like, you know, before Skip
Speaker 1: and before everybody bug was to do that at the
Speaker 1: Andrews huh last name Smith? Yeah, yeah yeah Smith, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah yeah yeah. Books. So Books was to du Um
Speaker 1: and then after that, you know, it's kind of it
Speaker 1: kind of go from there, right. He's like, you know,
Speaker 1: we got Steph and Sham and Skip, you know, kareem
Speaker 1: Read and all of us kind of in the same error.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm yeah, that's that, ain't number Hope was grandmother?
Speaker 1: You decided to move with your grandmother to escape the
Speaker 1: BS and then white streets and go to Jersey. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what made you make that decision? Well, you know, you
Speaker 1: really just getting in trouble in New York. Um, not
Speaker 1: going to school as much making bad decisions. No, no,
Speaker 1: my aunt, no, my gordmother's time she called me like, yo,
Speaker 1: you gotta get up out of there. Um. And it
Speaker 1: was to school in Jersey. I never heard the same
Speaker 1: past before. Never, Um, it's a Cafis school New York kids.
Speaker 1: Who knows about Cafish coach? Right, right, So I went
Speaker 1: out there for a summer. You know, I was like,
Speaker 1: I know, let me try it out. You know, the
Speaker 1: first year two I was coming home every weekend. After
Speaker 1: I got used to it, it kind of made sense, right, Um,
Speaker 1: new opportunity, new place, and to tell you truth from me,
Speaker 1: I've never really been nowhere. So going from New York
Speaker 1: to New Jersey was like going from New York to
Speaker 1: l A. Like that's how far it seemed to me. Right, Um,
Speaker 1: just came back, you know, home every weekend. And you
Speaker 1: know what my high school coach since to coach christiph
Speaker 1: fans like, yo, bro, you gotta make a decisions like
Speaker 1: what's important to you going back home being around those
Speaker 1: dudes are being here trying to make something of yourself.
Speaker 1: And you had you had, you had those talks, and
Speaker 1: then basketball start getting some you know, notoriety, people don't
Speaker 1: knowing you are, and it came easy. And as you know,
Speaker 1: I'm in Jersey during the same year did in New York,
Speaker 1: but in Jersey people appreciate it more, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So and then you kind of like like
Speaker 1: that and about that, and then from there they kind
Speaker 1: of shot up took off. Mm hmm. Nothing like feeling appreciated. Yeah, sir,
Speaker 1: you came to your own when you hit St. Patrick
Speaker 1: same place as Kyrie, my brother Al Harrington, Jonathan Comua.
Speaker 1: What was your high school experience like St? Pass? Man?
Speaker 1: I know, because you know I got a chance to
Speaker 1: see it first hand, coming up the same time as you.
Speaker 1: But tell them what the experience like playing at St.
Speaker 1: Pass Well, first of all, before we started shouting to
Speaker 1: my brother Al Harington, too great people, man, you know
Speaker 1: I got some stories. Well, man, I wasn't always that
Speaker 1: good man. When we first started the program off, like,
Speaker 1: it wasn't known at all all right, And that's dry
Speaker 1: coach Kevin Boyle, who is now the coach at Mault Verdi, Right,
Speaker 1: you know, my versis biggest high school out right now.
Speaker 1: You know, he just had a vision. His vision was like, yo,
Speaker 1: let me try to get the best players here and
Speaker 1: built it. And it started with me and they kind
Speaker 1: of moved on, right, and now it's like a household name,
Speaker 1: but it was it was in the beginning. It was
Speaker 1: tough because no one knew who he was, but he
Speaker 1: pen us on that stage like going to tournaments and
Speaker 1: when you're in high school, like if you guys to show, yeah,
Speaker 1: you'll played in the City of Palms, right, playing the
Speaker 1: City of Palms. They've been playing in the Beach Ball
Speaker 1: Classic and all those things. So those are the torments
Speaker 1: he put us in. And then now you're going out
Speaker 1: there and now you're playing against everybody. Like I remember
Speaker 1: playing the Beach Ball Classic, right, I was a sophomore
Speaker 1: and I played with Chauncey Buillards. I'm like, yo, this
Speaker 1: dude right here, it's getting truth, Like who did you
Speaker 1: dude from dever this New York game? Like like Chauncey,
Speaker 1: Like you guys remember Chauncey and high school brons. He
Speaker 1: had the same bill he has in the NBA, the
Speaker 1: same side, the same bill. Imagine that in high school
Speaker 1: you don't say, like the chance was like and like
Speaker 1: and you see that, did you come back and you
Speaker 1: kind of work in your your craft and you get
Speaker 1: better and then you kind of build a year to
Speaker 1: year to hear. Then by time was a senior, it
Speaker 1: was like all right, well it's time to go, bro,
Speaker 1: It's go time, and it's you know from there. Well,
Speaker 1: I can say your junior year. All you're saying year
Speaker 1: you started receiving a lot of national notoriety. I think
Speaker 1: it's starting at ABC D camp stack right, So you
Speaker 1: go to a b C D. Right, and they did
Speaker 1: a great job. Huh who was there at that time?
Speaker 1: You like anybody, and it's from all over, like the
Speaker 1: best players from all over. Like so back then it
Speaker 1: wasn't no Nike camp. It was no just a B
Speaker 1: C D and you had to get invited. It was
Speaker 1: like the best seventy eight guys and whoever whoever was
Speaker 1: like like, like you playing a good dude that I'll
Speaker 1: never forget this man, Like I never told the story
Speaker 1: my going into my senior year, I was number one
Speaker 1: point guard and dad me playing this kid, little short,
Speaker 1: chubby kid. Right, it was color out of me. I
Speaker 1: didn't know who he was, like he was from Minnesota.
Speaker 1: I had no idea who he was. Came in and
Speaker 1: put that work in that pain and he was short, short,
Speaker 1: no chubby dude. That was just to score, bro like
Speaker 1: just bucket like every how do you want it? However
Speaker 1: you want it? He gave it to you. Right, muscles,
Speaker 1: no muscle at all, just lettle chupping little kid game. Bro.
Speaker 1: He had he's been that painting right and those and
Speaker 1: those are the things that you remember the most. I
Speaker 1: couldn't wait to play and get on the circus. Shake
Speaker 1: Cotton was one of them two dudes to man child
Speaker 1: and we got to get him on the show. I
Speaker 1: didn't mean to cut you off. He trains he trains
Speaker 1: kids at where we practice out down here, and I
Speaker 1: told him, Bro, you gotta come on the show. Because
Speaker 1: Shay was that Sha because she was West Coast. So
Speaker 1: I remember seeing. I was a freshman in ninety four
Speaker 1: nine five, and this is the first time I've ever
Speaker 1: seen a high school basketball game on TV. When he
Speaker 1: played and I want to say, he played Fremont in
Speaker 1: the state championship. This dude. I was like, this dude
Speaker 1: is only one year older than me. Oh my god.
Speaker 1: It was unbelievable. And like it. I raised my hands
Speaker 1: when we get to talk about him, Bro, because he
Speaker 1: used used to doing games games. Bro. Oh my god, Bro, Sha,
Speaker 1: we need you on the show. Shake Cotton and that's
Speaker 1: a bond weaver was the dudes. Bro. Shake and that's
Speaker 1: a bond weaver. Was the dudes when we was an
Speaker 1: ever nine TIH grade. Those dudes was like legendary, like
Speaker 1: shaving from the West Coast. But everybody knew about him
Speaker 1: everywhere everybody. He was on the coming Sports Illustrate as
Speaker 1: a freshman. Think about that kill, think about that right?
Speaker 1: To me, it was it was the Lebron height before
Speaker 1: Lebron like that type of hep. That's who he was.
Speaker 1: To us, I'm gonna give you want even more, Matt,
Speaker 1: check this out. Phelippe was before true Philippe. I had
Speaker 1: never seen nobody like him get hyped like like like
Speaker 1: him like I did't never seen that even to this day, bro.
Speaker 1: And on social media there he had his whole country
Speaker 1: behind him too. They dropped out for that dude. But
Speaker 1: can you can you imagine being a Nike camp and
Speaker 1: seeing a slam dunk contest with Shade Cotton, Ronnie Ells,
Speaker 1: Baron Davis, and court A Bentrooms all flyers, all Flyersness.
Speaker 1: Talk to us about your recruiting process. Obviously number one
Speaker 1: point guard could have win anywhere, had offers from duke kids,
Speaker 1: as you chose to stay close to home and go
Speaker 1: to see the hall. What was your recruiting process, Like
Speaker 1: you know, it was crazy. Right. St. Pastors a small school.
Speaker 1: They only have like two hundred kids, right, two hundred
Speaker 1: thirty kids. So when you kind of get used to that.
Speaker 1: And then like I went on all types of visits,
Speaker 1: like I went on on the visit to Kyle Brooklyn
Speaker 1: right and sif I'll do righting with you at the time,
Speaker 1: childish right. And I went out there on my visit
Speaker 1: and I ain't never seen nothing like that before in
Speaker 1: my life. Man, seven thousand people, man everywhere. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm walking on the streets, don't LIS's how just treat
Speaker 1: this girls walking around with topless I'm like, what the oh?
Speaker 1: This is how it is. That's how they get down
Speaker 1: at yet right, um and and Coach Boseman had a
Speaker 1: role and they had made folks and Jolanni Gardener they had,
Speaker 1: but they had all those dudes, right, And I go
Speaker 1: on my visit there and I'm like, yo, this is love.
Speaker 1: Then I'll go on my visits a Duke right and me,
Speaker 1: Nate James, Chris Carlwell and uh, oh boy, there was
Speaker 1: in our class that passed away Jason Collia you know, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: you know gop us and dead to him. So I'm
Speaker 1: on my visits with those guys there. Right, then you
Speaker 1: go to Kansas and you know Kentucky. I'm like, so
Speaker 1: when I came to see the Hall, it was just
Speaker 1: like it was just different, right, it was small always
Speaker 1: to me, I'm I love being a trend setter, Like
Speaker 1: I always going to place it where people tell me that,
Speaker 1: you know, don't go there. You shouldn't do this because
Speaker 1: they can't do this right. Don't go to the same
Speaker 1: packs nobody never heard of him. Go to Bishop Lacking
Speaker 1: because they've heard of him, you know, the same paths.
Speaker 1: I wanted to start my own thing. Don't go to
Speaker 1: see Hall because see halls down like you need to
Speaker 1: go to the Duke of Kansas. No, I'm gonna see
Speaker 1: holl did by time I left seeing Hall. You never
Speaker 1: get anere of recording class, and I did as a
Speaker 1: player and as a coach. So when I was making
Speaker 1: my decision, you know, me and Tim Thomas was supposed
Speaker 1: to go together here all right, So that was a
Speaker 1: whole deal, Like he was going to see Hall together
Speaker 1: and then at the last minute he chose Villanova and
Speaker 1: I was like, you know what, I'm going over here? Man,
Speaker 1: the coach gave me the ball. You know, when you're young,
Speaker 1: you feel like, yo, I don't need no body people,
Speaker 1: and come with me, right I start was gonna get
Speaker 1: the whole world come with me, and then me just
Speaker 1: I just came in just. Plus I had a daughter
Speaker 1: at the time, right, I had when out to Tim Craig. Um,
Speaker 1: I didn't have a fallow grown up. So I wanted
Speaker 1: to make sure I was there for my daughter. I
Speaker 1: wanted to be cold to her and that and that played.
Speaker 1: That played a big factor, and me staying close at
Speaker 1: home first and foremost. I love to hear that. Uh,
Speaker 1: is there any truth that coach Kay told you that
Speaker 1: you're the only player to turn down Duke after visiting
Speaker 1: the campus twice twice twice? Bro? Yeah, So I went
Speaker 1: on an official visit and then I went unofficially when
Speaker 1: they played U C l A. And you said, yea,
Speaker 1: I just want a national championship. So the next year
Speaker 1: they came in and I went there, and the fan
Speaker 1: business crazy, man. I ain't never seen nothing like that
Speaker 1: even to his day. Who was on that Duke team
Speaker 1: at the time, Um, Jeff Cables. Uh, those guy like
Speaker 1: busy right that Yeah, that like that, that whole crew, um,
Speaker 1: and you know what, to be honest with you, man,
Speaker 1: like coach k I just came back. Remember he had
Speaker 1: set out because he had that back surgery, right, and
Speaker 1: do kind of struggle. So now you remember when he
Speaker 1: came back, he came back with advengeance like he trying
Speaker 1: to get everybody. Um, and he he did a great job.
Speaker 1: But you know, it just came down to being comfortable, right,
Speaker 1: being a kid from New York, New Jersey, having my
Speaker 1: daughter and just kind of want to stablish my own thing. Man.
Speaker 1: Just to be honest, you respect that. Um. Obviously, having
Speaker 1: a child at such a young age, you know, fifteen,
Speaker 1: sixteen years old, kind of forces you to step your
Speaker 1: game up and be a man. Tell me what that
Speaker 1: was like, juggling obviously wanted to be a father. I
Speaker 1: love that you make that point first and foremost. But
Speaker 1: then school, hoop life in general at that age. You
Speaker 1: know what, it's crazy, right because it's a kid being
Speaker 1: a kid, a kid having a kid. Right, you're fifteen
Speaker 1: years old, sixteen years old, you know, you know we
Speaker 1: shouldn't be in the streets, but we but we're in
Speaker 1: the streets. We from then the city is there is
Speaker 1: what it is, right. You know, my community helped me
Speaker 1: out though. I gotta be honest, you man, Like when
Speaker 1: anybody say it takes a village, it really takes a village.
Speaker 1: But like real talk, like like my family was dead
Speaker 1: for me, right, they every sep of the way, um.
Speaker 1: And then you know, you just kind of when you're
Speaker 1: playing ball and you you know, I don't want to
Speaker 1: just turn because I don't want to be selling cocky, know,
Speaker 1: but like when you're that guy, anybody want to help
Speaker 1: you out. Like you guys understand that you've been through it,
Speaker 1: like you know when you're young a body. You know,
Speaker 1: when you when anybody see something that they think, Okay,
Speaker 1: this god gonna be the next one. Anybody want to
Speaker 1: be around. Right, So I had a lot of people
Speaker 1: that to help me out. Um. And then you know
Speaker 1: just who I am and the and the values that
Speaker 1: I grew away from my mother, right, Like that was
Speaker 1: important man to beat there for her and you know,
Speaker 1: and not knowing him because it's like when you wearving
Speaker 1: a kid. Everything in life there's a manu right, like
Speaker 1: the tracks, right, you just kind of go on what
Speaker 1: you know and what you know at the time. It's
Speaker 1: not right, but you just know what I'm saying, that's
Speaker 1: kind of yeah, you know, I mean that's that's kind
Speaker 1: of what I just did, right, And and you know,
Speaker 1: and Hi work out and workout and having to work
Speaker 1: out good for me. And you know, I want to
Speaker 1: give a shout out to my daughter for real, y'all.
Speaker 1: Like it wasn't hard, it wasn't easy, but she graduated
Speaker 1: from the scene hall and now she's doing her thing, man,
Speaker 1: and I just want to show man, like, what's her name?
Speaker 1: Her name is shout tunique shot, shout out, shout out congratulations.
Speaker 1: So you know, she dratulated and it wasn't easy, right,
Speaker 1: think about going to a school where your dad went
Speaker 1: to and anybody's following you and making sure that you
Speaker 1: can't be your own person, you know, And she kind
Speaker 1: of you know, went through all that, So shout out
Speaker 1: for you know, going through that, you know. So, but
Speaker 1: then but then you start Matt and it's that, right,
Speaker 1: but it's a beautiful part of this whole thing, right,
Speaker 1: Like I didn't make the pros, but I got hurt.
Speaker 1: Right then I graduated college, right, I be I'm the
Speaker 1: first one of my family in my community to go
Speaker 1: to college. Now it's a norm right now. Now you
Speaker 1: start that, Now it's a normal in your family and
Speaker 1: your community. To me, that's the biggest thing that I
Speaker 1: ever did was finished school. Because now I got seven
Speaker 1: eight little cousins and nieces and nephew. People are community
Speaker 1: that because I didn't, now they did. Now it's cool.
Speaker 1: So that's to me, it's the most beautiful thing. Salute
Speaker 1: a star. Seating hard at the jump someone you hit
Speaker 1: the campus, You're star? What did that feel like? You? No?
Speaker 1: It was you know, it was college? Right, So everything
Speaker 1: that we imagine going to college, you imagine the girls.
Speaker 1: You know, Jack don't know though Jack, Jack decided to
Speaker 1: for the waters. Yeah, but Jack college was dope, explaining
Speaker 1: people because people don't understand, man, how fun college was. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you know, everybody wasn't unfortunate as Jack. No, Jack
Speaker 1: got a back and I want to go back, and
Speaker 1: then I want to go back and experience. I still
Speaker 1: got time. J R. Smith could do it. I can
Speaker 1: do it. Do it. I'll go with you. Facts how high?
Speaker 1: But you know mat you know man, Look, I mean
Speaker 1: you know obviously the college you went to, it it's legendary, right,
Speaker 1: But when you get st up on campus, right, and
Speaker 1: anybody know who you are. It's a it's a gift
Speaker 1: in the curse, right be could you like you almost
Speaker 1: can't be who you want to be because sometimes who
Speaker 1: you is is not good for for that college. Everybody's watching, right,
Speaker 1: And that was kind of me, Like I was real
Speaker 1: raw come into college right right, I'm still I still
Speaker 1: got New York and me, I still got the hood
Speaker 1: of me something raw so and you don't want to
Speaker 1: change you are, but you know you gotta make adjustments.
Speaker 1: So for me, the first two years was kind of
Speaker 1: tough because I couldn't be myself, right. I couldn't go
Speaker 1: to this dom that doom you go somebody don yo
Speaker 1: yo yo, Shine's here. Well you know he's with this girl,
Speaker 1: so you can't really do what and back then with
Speaker 1: no social media and you still everybody know your business. Um.
Speaker 1: So for me, I just lived in the gym bro
Speaker 1: um had a great freshman year. Coach got fired, new
Speaker 1: coach came in and just kind of making adjustments and
Speaker 1: we really bumped hats because I'm like, yo, this is
Speaker 1: my show, bro. And then the coach that came in
Speaker 1: with the same coach that recruited me from Doupe. One
Speaker 1: of the reasons why I go there. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. You know what I'm saying. So now he's
Speaker 1: my head coach. I see Halls and now we we
Speaker 1: we're bumping hats because he want to sw the game
Speaker 1: down and play his system. I want to play my style,
Speaker 1: and I just bound you. I had to grow up,
Speaker 1: you know. I take responsibility for that. I wasn't mature
Speaker 1: enough back then. And when then my senior year, we
Speaker 1: kind of made a run because I grew up in
Speaker 1: days kind of played themselves out. Let's talk about them
Speaker 1: Big East battles, Rip Hamilton, Ron Test it was. It
Speaker 1: was legendary, right because I came to school because I
Speaker 1: wanted to play this Alan Obviason. That's why I chose
Speaker 1: see like like and I didn't know he was gonna
Speaker 1: leave and go to Georgetown, like like I wanted to
Speaker 1: play against something like he was, you know how you
Speaker 1: like we all have somebody to say, you know what,
Speaker 1: I want to play against that dude like he's that,
Speaker 1: you know, And that's one of the reason why I
Speaker 1: came to see hall Um. But then you here and
Speaker 1: like every team had somebody at that time that was
Speaker 1: a great card. Every night was you know, think about
Speaker 1: problems at Sham and share my brother, right, but like
Speaker 1: I wanted to take Sham hat off, like no, bro,
Speaker 1: Like I'm the best guard, right. And then you know
Speaker 1: every team had somebody though Nova had Alvin Williams taking
Speaker 1: about your six five point guard you know, you know
Speaker 1: played in the league, you know, so every team had
Speaker 1: one of those dudes. And at the time, the Big
Speaker 1: East was known as like a real physical car friends,
Speaker 1: and that's what I was built for. You decide, you
Speaker 1: go four years of seton hall, talk to us about
Speaker 1: the process coming out of your senior year high hopes
Speaker 1: and they didn't end up materializing, but you still were
Speaker 1: able to do stuff to talk to us about that
Speaker 1: that time in your life. So you know, I got
Speaker 1: hurt in this in this week six saying right, Um,
Speaker 1: I booked my ankle, and I kind of rushed back
Speaker 1: because like you when you five ten, you know you
Speaker 1: ain't six six six seven, you five ten, You know
Speaker 1: you got opportunities. So I got invited to Chicago free
Speaker 1: draft camp. Um I still wasn't Anderson Hill. I'm like,
Speaker 1: you know what, I gotta go because I missed. I
Speaker 1: missed t workouts because I couldn't work out because my ankle. Right,
Speaker 1: So I went to the camp and I'm working, and
Speaker 1: I know I thought I did no good. So when
Speaker 1: you got a chance to go to like Lenning Hamilton
Speaker 1: was the head coach of the University of Miami all
Speaker 1: right for four years. He coach against me. He ha
Speaker 1: just got the head coaching job back to Watch and Wizards,
Speaker 1: so he wanted me to come there for the free
Speaker 1: agent camp. I went to the Knicks because my silly
Speaker 1: self like New York, I'm home. I can make it.
Speaker 1: Not back then, no one is telling you that they
Speaker 1: got three guards on guarantee contract. So now there's Charlie Ward,
Speaker 1: There's there's um Chris Childs, and there's Rick Brunston, right,
Speaker 1: and Rick Pussons my guy. So now I'm like, all roll,
Speaker 1: I'll played Rick Bunson in the summer leads. Like I'm
Speaker 1: like I could, I could, I could get joke right,
Speaker 1: But like you don't know that Rick's been there for
Speaker 1: two or three years. You know, Timms at the time
Speaker 1: was assistant coach. TIMPs love him like, hey, Mace, love him.
Speaker 1: Got us your dad Like he's been there for three years,
Speaker 1: Like he's a he's one of their guys. Right, So
Speaker 1: I chose to go to the Knicks camp home. I'm
Speaker 1: I'm in here. I'm working, bro, I an' gonna lie.
Speaker 1: I'm working. I'm working. These dudes working, like I never
Speaker 1: forget this. Ampy Mason was like, Yo, this dude belong
Speaker 1: on the team, right, I don't know what the politic
Speaker 1: part of it did. Do belong on the team like
Speaker 1: Charles Oakley, Right, I know he's a big brother to
Speaker 1: the show, right to Charles holes Like, yo, he's gonna
Speaker 1: be my little man in veteran camp. Like I'm gonna
Speaker 1: take care of him. Right, So I'm rocking. I'll never
Speaker 1: forget this man like this takes my mind's when I
Speaker 1: tell the kids all the time, we're in practice, right,
Speaker 1: so if you know tips, they do three days and
Speaker 1: two of them is all defensive practice. Right. So um
Speaker 1: Rick Bruster came down and scored, and yello me, I'm
Speaker 1: like all right. So I went down and scored on
Speaker 1: him the very next place he bringing the ball up,
Speaker 1: I ripped him. I scored him. Was like, Yo, whoa, whoa,
Speaker 1: whoa whoa young feller, He's a veteran coach down on
Speaker 1: the wall for next two practices. He had me on
Speaker 1: the wall, Bro, I ain't said at work. So people
Speaker 1: like your rick, Why you do that? Bro? You know
Speaker 1: how tips are gonna do that. He's like, yo, he
Speaker 1: tried to take my spot, and I'm not mad. I
Speaker 1: was mad at him then, but now when we look
Speaker 1: back at them, you get it surviving, you feel me.
Speaker 1: So to answer your question, man, like you know, um,
Speaker 1: you know how to come up to me the next right,
Speaker 1: and went to the next camp and I made your team.
Speaker 1: Jase Kid got hurt. They need to start a point guard,
Speaker 1: so they got Travis Best right. So it was like
Speaker 1: it just did a line up. Good for me, man.
Speaker 1: So I took my stuff a court the water eight
Speaker 1: years over there and made some good money, played and
Speaker 1: came back to coaching. They call it a numbers game
Speaker 1: A lot. I know so many people that got caught
Speaker 1: up in the numbers game, but long in the league.
Speaker 1: But they get two teams where the roster's full likes
Speaker 1: it's called the numbers game. And you definitely got caught
Speaker 1: up on that because everybody, everybody in our class knew
Speaker 1: you definitely was gone favorite country overseas. You played in
Speaker 1: talk Turkey like I I went there low expectations and
Speaker 1: no E Temple was perfect and then not put in Israel.
Speaker 1: Blew me away, bro, like they had me in the beach,
Speaker 1: blew me away, you bro, blew me away. You know
Speaker 1: they say point guards the extension of a coach, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of the coach on the floor. When
Speaker 1: did you decide to take coaching serious? You know? I
Speaker 1: think like wanting down my career. Um. I tried coaching
Speaker 1: my high school team and then hey, you no, just
Speaker 1: to give back and be around right, Um, and you
Speaker 1: like it because this is why I'm in coaching right now.
Speaker 1: It's about the kids. You can make an impact on somebody,
Speaker 1: like how was that kid that somebody took a second
Speaker 1: and third chance on? Right? So that's what I wanted
Speaker 1: to do, Um. And then they kind of start building
Speaker 1: from there, right, Bobby, Because Alas got the job at
Speaker 1: Eaton Hall and he wanted me to come on as
Speaker 1: like a video guy. And I didn't want to do
Speaker 1: it because I thought it was playing. But I had
Speaker 1: my daughter with me, um, and that's why I got
Speaker 1: the coach in the behology guys. Um, there was no
Speaker 1: American schools over there, closer school too. I was away,
Speaker 1: so I said, let me take a year off, thinking
Speaker 1: then one year I could kind of more hard to
Speaker 1: the way I want. And the coaching kind of got
Speaker 1: happened quick and beyond you to ha happened like quick,
Speaker 1: went from this to being assistant, to be the top
Speaker 1: assistant to being this and then now you had coaches
Speaker 1: or it happened quite But I knew I wanted to
Speaker 1: do it when I finished, but not that quick and
Speaker 1: not that only so you where you belong back and
Speaker 1: seeing all what's going through your mind now been at
Speaker 1: joam coaching, I can't mess it up. You know. I
Speaker 1: gotta come in here and be who I am. Don't
Speaker 1: change who I am because I think who I am
Speaker 1: gotta be here today, right um and just and you
Speaker 1: just our building understand that, you know, and it's gonna
Speaker 1: be easy. But I'm built for it. I'm ready ump
Speaker 1: at the time, and I'm know what I'm capable of.
Speaker 1: But I'll be ho was you man like this run
Speaker 1: we made like this was for all the young coaches
Speaker 1: out there, especially after me from coaches, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: like I'm I'm for everybody, bro, Like I'm for all coaches,
Speaker 1: Like I'm good everybody, but like we could stereotype that
Speaker 1: we're just good recruiters, right, that we can't coach. We
Speaker 1: can't actually we can't do that. So in my mind,
Speaker 1: I'd be hones with you guys when we was making
Speaker 1: that run. That's why I made that statement. What they're
Speaker 1: gonna say now, because they go there's always something like, oh,
Speaker 1: he can't do this or you can't do that. All right,
Speaker 1: we beat this team, we beat that team, We did this,
Speaker 1: we did that, and to the point of like, all right, man,
Speaker 1: what they're gonna say now? You no, Like, what's the
Speaker 1: next thing? I can't do? What? So when we're making
Speaker 1: that run, I wanted to do it for all the
Speaker 1: guys that you know don't get opportunities because of who
Speaker 1: they are, because it's color they skin. I want to
Speaker 1: make sure, you know, give somebody opportunity and let them
Speaker 1: show you what they could do. Somebody gave me opportunity,
Speaker 1: and that's why I'm here today. Bro. Everything is about timing,
Speaker 1: Everything is about facts, and this happened to be perfect timing.
Speaker 1: I know you as a basketball player, and uh, but
Speaker 1: who are you off the court. You know, a family man.
Speaker 1: You know I got a family, right, Um, A mentor
Speaker 1: to these young guys who are coach every single day, right,
Speaker 1: a big brother, um, you know, just just just somebody
Speaker 1: that trying to do the right thing and just you know,
Speaker 1: get back right. Like I don't I don't have a
Speaker 1: big circle. You know. I'm I'm a low keybro. You know,
Speaker 1: I keep to myself. I got my same dude that
Speaker 1: was with me from day one, you feel me, Um,
Speaker 1: the same dude that believed in me, and just somebody
Speaker 1: that you know, I want to be that person that
Speaker 1: there for the next guy who're trying to get around
Speaker 1: where I'm at. You know, like like your platform, right,
Speaker 1: like real talk, like the like the platform that that
Speaker 1: you guys got, Like it's inspiring, like real talk, because
Speaker 1: like you guys are yourself, like y'are not here trying
Speaker 1: to be somebody different. And people see that and they
Speaker 1: feel that, And I think that's why y'all show was successful,
Speaker 1: because dudes are looking at y'all like, Yo, that's me.
Speaker 1: I could do that, looking at all those dudes like
Speaker 1: they are real. So keep doing what you're doing, bro.
Speaker 1: I've been trying to get on the show. Man. I
Speaker 1: love what you guys are doing because you're keeping it
Speaker 1: real and y'all authentic, don't change. But you know, Bro,
Speaker 1: that that's a testament to you as well, because everybody
Speaker 1: aim at St. Peter's yet they love to see the
Speaker 1: young guys, but you want to us so to see
Speaker 1: one of us leading and doing big ship in front
Speaker 1: of the whole world. You know what I'm saying. It's
Speaker 1: it's the same love back, Bro, It's the same love back, Bro.
Speaker 1: Now I appreciate that real talking man, you know, and
Speaker 1: you know you know Stacking No, I know your brother,
Speaker 1: you know what happened to him. You know, get my condolences.
Speaker 1: We'd talk man in that moment that you made, Bro,
Speaker 1: and you you you change the world for real, big
Speaker 1: dogs real did you change the world? Man? And that's
Speaker 1: why I'm goneping real with you guys on this show. Right.
Speaker 1: They wanted us not to wear our shirts in the tournament,
Speaker 1: and it's like we were not black like matter shirts
Speaker 1: and I got slacked four and were warm and we
Speaker 1: and we got a lot of bro real talk. I
Speaker 1: got a lot of slack from it. For real, like
Speaker 1: companies that did this, we did they want to wear
Speaker 1: shirts and the university. I'm like, nah, this is what
Speaker 1: we did. I've been winning these churchs for two years.
Speaker 1: We ain't changing it because now we're in the Sweet
Speaker 1: six team. This is this is what we're doing. Bro.
Speaker 1: Loot for that. Bro, that's real ship. I love to
Speaker 1: hear that. Man man chemistry recruiting. I mean, you're at
Speaker 1: Seaton Hall now, it's not St. Pete's. Uh you know,
Speaker 1: so what are your your your your strategies and how
Speaker 1: has that process been going for you? You know what?
Speaker 1: Right now, it's different, Matt, Right, everybody wants so this name,
Speaker 1: image and lightness. Everybody want to know about you know,
Speaker 1: what can you do for me and my brand? Right?
Speaker 1: So nobody care about the school no more. They brand
Speaker 1: and guess what, I get it, Bro, I get it.
Speaker 1: I'm all for you know, let the kids make their money, right,
Speaker 1: but that do it right? Right, That's no time and
Speaker 1: place for that. So I'm talking to kids that, you know,
Speaker 1: once again fit my personality, Kids that I want to
Speaker 1: bring in. Kids that's hungry. Um. I might not get
Speaker 1: the five star players, which I'm good with, right, I
Speaker 1: get the three star players and make them five stars, right,
Speaker 1: because like my work and my individual instruction and things
Speaker 1: that I did, you guys realized like I was at
Speaker 1: this level before. I was as social head coach for
Speaker 1: eight years, so I get it. You know, I've recruited
Speaker 1: number one with recruiting classes in the country. So it's
Speaker 1: no different. The only different right now is brands are
Speaker 1: you just gotta try to get creative with the name,
Speaker 1: image and likeness and you know, get god that fit
Speaker 1: what you want to do on and off the court.
Speaker 1: The difference is too you ain't just play. You ain't
Speaker 1: just coaching on the high level. You played at a
Speaker 1: high level. Two facts right, Well, hopefully you could have
Speaker 1: that that Dion Sanders effect. I mean, because all the
Speaker 1: recruits out there, there's not a hotter coach that's gonna
Speaker 1: have more eyeballs on him next year something. A lot
Speaker 1: of them want a lot of us want you to succeed,
Speaker 1: some of them want you to fail. But now that
Speaker 1: that's the eyeballs are gonna be on you. So the
Speaker 1: all recruits out there, that's where they let I mean,
Speaker 1: he got people at Saint Pete's image and likeness and
Speaker 1: in getting dollars. You can only imagine what he's gonna
Speaker 1: do at a major school. But I like what you said.
Speaker 1: It's a time and a place, but you gotta learn
Speaker 1: some principles and some values and some morels in the process.
Speaker 1: And I think that's what's kind of funked up about
Speaker 1: this process now. Although I'm all about everyone getting money
Speaker 1: because God knows we need it, but it's just like,
Speaker 1: when you have no guidance with that money, that's when
Speaker 1: the trouble starts. So come, come, come do your thing
Speaker 1: over here. We're gonna learn some ship, You're gonna get
Speaker 1: some money, and you can become a better man and
Speaker 1: a better basketball player at the same time. So I
Speaker 1: like that. That's real though, Bro Matt, that's roal though,
Speaker 1: bro like. And that's what most parents don't understand. Right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is this is good, but it only lasts for
Speaker 1: a second, right, Sorry, what's a big goal? Like? So
Speaker 1: the so the the bigger picture is not to just
Speaker 1: make the NBA, to stay in the NBA, right, and
Speaker 1: and that's a blessing within themselves. Okay, So how are
Speaker 1: we gonna get there? Don't let three thousand dollars five
Speaker 1: thousand dollars change take to the plan. Make sure We've
Speaker 1: got a good foundation in place, the right people behind you.
Speaker 1: Keep broking because you gotta produce on that. Keep in
Speaker 1: mind this is kind of off topic, but when you
Speaker 1: guys get your schedule and you have like a big
Speaker 1: ESPN game or whatever it is, let us know will
Speaker 1: come shoot the show before and kind of get some
Speaker 1: more hype around it and shot some with Don next
Speaker 1: year too. So man, please, we want to come family
Speaker 1: to practice and talk to the boys all that. Bro
Speaker 1: let us lets let us come tap in with y'all
Speaker 1: your real talk brothers, like like anything that I could
Speaker 1: do to help what you guys are doing. Please, we
Speaker 1: gotta support you though, we gotta sport. That's why I
Speaker 1: just told all the recruits what I told him. Man,
Speaker 1: this is a whole plan in the process. Man, We're
Speaker 1: with you, We're helping you, We're there with you know.
Speaker 1: I appreciate it, man, I appreciate you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: not you know and offline man, that's you know, that's
Speaker 1: that connected man. And then, like I said, Andy, I
Speaker 1: could do please don't entertate, no doubt, would definitely exchange
Speaker 1: your fault UH current day n b A UH teams
Speaker 1: or players you enjoy watching. I'm a big fan of
Speaker 1: what y'all is doing and what Step is doing out there.
Speaker 1: And I'll be honest you, I'm a huge fan of
Speaker 1: demon letters Like he just I'm the dog man. He
Speaker 1: just he got that thing, you know, man, that I
Speaker 1: that I appreciate. Um. So I kind of going at
Speaker 1: the question man like I don't, I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: have a you know, New York as my team, you know,
Speaker 1: we I'm gonna take with him because I'm not. I
Speaker 1: don't jump bandwagons. But I'm just a fan of I'm
Speaker 1: a fan of the sport period. I wish all the kids.
Speaker 1: I wish all the kids took one thing from Greek
Speaker 1: Freak that I was. I just wish all of it
Speaker 1: could take. Is how he appreciates the game of basketball.
Speaker 1: He loves it, man, true, He go out there and
Speaker 1: play every game like it's his last bro. And if
Speaker 1: they pick it up anything from Greek Freak, please pick
Speaker 1: that up from it? Yeah, let me ask you a question. Right,
Speaker 1: you look at the Greek Freak, and you look at Yogurts,
Speaker 1: and you look at old boy in Dallas, like why
Speaker 1: those dudes hunger more than Americans? Okay, because I'm gonna
Speaker 1: say this here. You hey, you that's what's done it
Speaker 1: When these coaches start following kids and flying them to
Speaker 1: different states and paying them, yeah, paying them to to
Speaker 1: to play in one game twenty thousand, all this and
Speaker 1: why in the tenth eleven grade, that messes everything up
Speaker 1: because the hunger is gone now Greek free, Greek Freak
Speaker 1: started playing was started playing basketball two years pace they
Speaker 1: got an the n B A. Don has been playing
Speaker 1: playing a pro since he was fifteen. Six years I've
Speaker 1: been playing professionally. So the love for the game and
Speaker 1: and and how they care about the game is different.
Speaker 1: You know what. That's real, bro, And that's what so
Speaker 1: we're talking about name imager like that just plays a party.
Speaker 1: Like you said, dudes getting paid at the youngest just
Speaker 1: it's probably they like they don't get it. They don't
Speaker 1: appreciate the journey because we don't have to go through.
Speaker 1: Think about your path to their man, think about your
Speaker 1: patrick man. You know what I'm saying. Like these dudes
Speaker 1: they got they got the overtime joint, they got the
Speaker 1: g leading. Now they got that's giving them a couple
Speaker 1: of dollars. It's like, yo, you're missing that only big picture, bro. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And that's the balance to to with me, because I mean,
Speaker 1: like the perfect word to grind, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like the way I grew up a food stands, drugs abuse,
Speaker 1: this kind of ship. Like my kids will never see that,
Speaker 1: and I'm proud that I've been able to them in
Speaker 1: a position like that. But how do I mentally make
Speaker 1: them understand that it's still gonna be a grind regardless,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? And that's that thin line
Speaker 1: and unless you have some real people in your ear,
Speaker 1: in your corner humbling you and let you know what
Speaker 1: the big picture is. That's why I feel like these
Speaker 1: kids and it's not it just is what it is.
Speaker 1: But they're pampered, they're softer. Uh, there's less fire because
Speaker 1: they're giving everything before use the best word they saw.
Speaker 1: Think about when we play at you, did you ever
Speaker 1: see parents in the stands? Like did your pars? Not right?
Speaker 1: And that was a real ship too when you said,
Speaker 1: like yo, when you go on these trips and like
Speaker 1: even that McDonald's meal, like yo, like okay, yeah, we're
Speaker 1: really we're gonna eat good on this trip because Coach
Speaker 1: got us like that ship is something that kids will
Speaker 1: never you know, really understand because everything now is just here.
Speaker 1: You go. Hey. But what's different between us three and
Speaker 1: what our kids have is everything we got is earned,
Speaker 1: not given. And they know that. And you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, and and and and that's one thing that
Speaker 1: instead of teaching them, they see it. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, it's proof and of putting with us. We've
Speaker 1: all earned everything and everything we got today even earning
Speaker 1: getting to the NBA, and we earned and nothing wasn't
Speaker 1: given to us. So our kids know that, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Deep we might not think they see it.
Speaker 1: We might and they might not be as tough as
Speaker 1: we want them to be, but deep down inside they
Speaker 1: know everything that we got we earned it. But I
Speaker 1: think about this for a second, Think about a second.
Speaker 1: This I am with my son. I'm sure you guys
Speaker 1: the same way. Because we got what we got, it's
Speaker 1: still not here. You go like I'm my son. I
Speaker 1: put him through it, like bro, like I put him
Speaker 1: through it, Like you want to do this. If you're
Speaker 1: gonna do this, we're doing it. And no playing games
Speaker 1: with it like you ain't. I don't want to do today, Like, no,
Speaker 1: you gott understand, and I take them to a way
Speaker 1: I grow back. So he see it, like he goes
Speaker 1: playing in New York right, because in Jersey he's really good,
Speaker 1: like really good New York trash. It's different, it's different.
Speaker 1: It's different now they're on different levels. So he I'll
Speaker 1: make sure he see that and understanding, like, Yo, these
Speaker 1: are the dudes that you're gonna be playing against that
Speaker 1: you're trying the next level. You don't get it done
Speaker 1: now he's not. Yeah, I love it. I'm gone. My
Speaker 1: boys are thirteen, Like we got the number one thirteen
Speaker 1: youw team in the country. We're bouncing all over the
Speaker 1: place and really put them in the fire, like in
Speaker 1: the MIXX, like let's go, like one of my twins starts,
Speaker 1: one of them does it. I feel like I'd be
Speaker 1: doing them a disservice that this is my team. We
Speaker 1: running all the players, you're gonna play all the minutes.
Speaker 1: I'm that's gonna suck you up when I'm not your coach,
Speaker 1: and it's just gonna be a false and security in life.
Speaker 1: I mean, so we're over here really trying to teach
Speaker 1: life lessons. I think that ship is so important. That
Speaker 1: is real, bro, because I know you can't held that
Speaker 1: home for not starting both of them. So that's real, bro.
Speaker 1: But they but they understand and I tell them why
Speaker 1: you know you got at this point. At this point,
Speaker 1: they they, I'm to my d's little motherfucker's are grown
Speaker 1: at this point, my nigga, I'm sorry, let me take
Speaker 1: over this point. We're talked about the twins and at
Speaker 1: this point, at this point, they're probably raising him somebody.
Speaker 1: They solid at that age to be so solid. I
Speaker 1: stayed at this house about three or four days, bro,
Speaker 1: and these are the solidest thirteen year olds I've ever
Speaker 1: met my life. Bro. I'll just be teaching them life, man,
Speaker 1: That's what it's about. Like it's it's bigger than basketball.
Speaker 1: Basketball is gonna be a tool that's gonna get you
Speaker 1: wherever you want to go. But I'm just teaching them life,
Speaker 1: teaching the game. It's just fun. Me and Jack kind
Speaker 1: of go back and forth on this. What are your
Speaker 1: thoughts on the playing situation? I don't like it either.
Speaker 1: I don't like it right, I don't like it, no,
Speaker 1: whir because like you played the whole season and I
Speaker 1: dident of it. You have to, you know, think about it, man,
Speaker 1: Like I'm giving somebody a breakdown because I just got money.
Speaker 1: But that's that's part of it, man Like, I mean
Speaker 1: that's not old schools, Like, that's not who we are, Like,
Speaker 1: that's not old school. So that's why I get mad
Speaker 1: when my son go tournament and they don't when they
Speaker 1: get trophies, like, man, get that trophy back, like I'm serious,
Speaker 1: Like it's not okay, like like for real, man, like
Speaker 1: get that trophy back, like you here on that. So
Speaker 1: they like to me to playing, you know, not get
Speaker 1: it because you know you want yeah, you want certain
Speaker 1: in the playoffs, right, Like so let's say if you
Speaker 1: know the Lakers ain't like, you want them in the playoffs, right,
Speaker 1: So you get it, right, But I'm not a big
Speaker 1: fan of it. Take care of your business in the
Speaker 1: regular season and you're being a playoffs. Stop these motherfuckers.
Speaker 1: Stopped letting these motherfucker's rest and not play when they
Speaker 1: don't want to want to play and sit on the
Speaker 1: bench for two or three weeks and say they ankle
Speaker 1: hurt and now now you're in a nine test spot. No,
Speaker 1: take care of your business in them eighty two games.
Speaker 1: And put yourself in a position to be able to
Speaker 1: play in the postseason. At it, my boy, Hey, I'll
Speaker 1: be tuned in tonight. I'm not mad at it what
Speaker 1: you say, but I mean, it's good entertainment to me.
Speaker 1: It's like, and that's why, you know, it's funny, like
Speaker 1: I'm a purist. I love defense. I mean, that's what
Speaker 1: kind of player I was. So it's almost like the
Speaker 1: NBA is so far from what it used to be.
Speaker 1: But I'm not someone that's like, man, this is it.
Speaker 1: I just go with the you know, I just go
Speaker 1: with the wave because everything changes, you know. I mean
Speaker 1: that that's what the world is about, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. And now they're talking about a possible in
Speaker 1: season tournament. What sounds like some crazy ship to me.
Speaker 1: But my whole thing is just like you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's I'd rather I'd rather just go
Speaker 1: with the flow. I got too much real ship to
Speaker 1: worry about that then think about. You know this, it's
Speaker 1: fun to me. It's it's it's entertainment. Man. No that
Speaker 1: Let me ask you guys this because Matt you just
Speaker 1: said it. You said you're pros You're a defensive guy, right,
Speaker 1: So that's what I preach. That's what my team is about.
Speaker 1: You watches playing right, we can ask it on defense.
Speaker 1: Why people don't appreciate that, bro, because it doesn't get
Speaker 1: you paid in the in the in the attention and
Speaker 1: all that. But it wins. But you win? Right? But right?
Speaker 1: But what what what did you say earlier? Though? What
Speaker 1: do people want these days? They want name, likeness, image,
Speaker 1: they want attention awards. It's not pretty, but offen win awards,
Speaker 1: deepenst win championships. Bro, noa no, I'm on that. I'll
Speaker 1: be on the bion a little. Teams asked about playing defense.
Speaker 1: That's where it all starts. I tell people on my
Speaker 1: team all the time. Kids, you can play defense and
Speaker 1: make a shot. You got a chance play your role
Speaker 1: to the crown your soul. I forgot who's that? Man?
Speaker 1: Do they go? There's a place where you stay in
Speaker 1: your lane? Uh? Finals predictions? Who you have coming out
Speaker 1: of the East, who you have coming out of the West.
Speaker 1: But well, Milwaukee is it's gonna you know the way
Speaker 1: Milwaukee is going to play now? Man? You know I
Speaker 1: think that you know data favorites right up Miami. You know,
Speaker 1: if they could get they could get their whole team
Speaker 1: together and Joel a little bit. So I think those
Speaker 1: two teams the West Man. You know, CP is back, right,
Speaker 1: so right right, CP is back. But I'll tell you
Speaker 1: right there, man, what Memphis is doing? Truth? Like, I
Speaker 1: don't know, right, It's just like like I thought. I thought,
Speaker 1: you know, Yan, I thought the Jazz would be a
Speaker 1: little bit better because their nucleus, right, I thought they
Speaker 1: would just be a little better. Um, they're missing that.
Speaker 1: To me, the Jazz are missing that second consistent game starter.
Speaker 1: They got Donovan Mitchell. He doesn't mean. I mean they're
Speaker 1: paying that brother a lot of money to be that
Speaker 1: point guard. He should be that joy he can fail.
Speaker 1: He's not. But I'm saying he don't. I like Donovan Mitchell.
Speaker 1: I think he's talented, but he don't make people better.
Speaker 1: And I thought Mike Connley would come over and help
Speaker 1: kind of facilitation it just has it. Oh yeah, that's
Speaker 1: what you're talking about, Connie. Yeah, but he just hasn't
Speaker 1: really been doing what I thought. Did I knew that
Speaker 1: should I play with him in Memphis that he did
Speaker 1: in Memphis, he just star. Then they need a mega star.
Speaker 1: They need somebody that's gonna go in there tattooed up
Speaker 1: dunk in every game, screaming after he dunk, Like they
Speaker 1: need a KG type of guy to come to the
Speaker 1: organization to get them better, because right now, it's just
Speaker 1: it's been due for a long time. But let me
Speaker 1: ask you this, and let me ask you guys this now,
Speaker 1: this is can go and stay sneak up on dudes anymore?
Speaker 1: They can't hear it. If Steph gets healthy, this is
Speaker 1: gonna be the first time we saw their core play
Speaker 1: together with two and a half two and a half years.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, it's stuff like they need
Speaker 1: a lot of time because they know each other like
Speaker 1: the back of their hands, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It's just like it's that they've been there, and to me,
Speaker 1: they reloaded with young dodg Jordan Pool is an up
Speaker 1: and coming star finga. You know, he went to the
Speaker 1: same high school. He's gonna be a problem. Play their Yeah, dudes,
Speaker 1: play their role so that as your man if he's healthy.
Speaker 1: The glue Yeah, they got shot because you know, you know,
Speaker 1: you don't know what Curry's gonna do the glues, the
Speaker 1: glues healthy, Yeah, I think the I think they got
Speaker 1: a shot but we've been saying, I don't know. I
Speaker 1: don't know if I could take those guys off. They're
Speaker 1: just playing at they right now, just at a different level,
Speaker 1: different level. I'm interested to see. And I've been talking
Speaker 1: about us in ESPN all last week. Is I love
Speaker 1: what Memphis has been doing. But when the lights come on,
Speaker 1: are these young players gonna play like they play like
Speaker 1: your team? Similar situation like when when the lights came on,
Speaker 1: normally smaller schools fall, You guys played in them lights
Speaker 1: like you belong there. So I want to I think
Speaker 1: Memphis can do that. I just gotta see it. Can
Speaker 1: Miamie do it? I don't believe in Miami for some reason,
Speaker 1: I just don't believe in Miami. I don't believe in Miami.
Speaker 1: I don't believe in you talk, two solid teams that
Speaker 1: play the right way are always at the top, you know,
Speaker 1: normally outside of Utah this year, but I just don't
Speaker 1: believe in them for some reason. No, that's that's real.
Speaker 1: Sex is over for the sexes. James Harden gotta have
Speaker 1: a run right here, boy, Yeah, yeah, I don't think
Speaker 1: it's around. That's it. I gotta I'm honored to ask
Speaker 1: you this question because you're real New York. I'm talking
Speaker 1: about real New York. One album from an nyc rapper
Speaker 1: that you would listen to. No skips, don't repeat. M hmm.
Speaker 1: Come on, man, see see stack. No no, no, because
Speaker 1: it's a few right, because you gotta go back right,
Speaker 1: because I'm like, I'm I'm old school right this this
Speaker 1: this new school stuff is trash, right, So yeah, right, no,
Speaker 1: so so you gotta go back right. So now you
Speaker 1: listen to Biggie first joint, right, that's classic, right, It's
Speaker 1: like classic classic marb Deep don't get a lot of
Speaker 1: I was waiting for that. I was waiting for the
Speaker 1: mob deep. You know, I was waiting for that. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. The mob don't get it, like
Speaker 1: the mom don't get it like they're supposed to. But
Speaker 1: I gotta go back to my brother though, man, like
Speaker 1: amatic for a joint? I don't. I don't keep no
Speaker 1: shi nahs, Yes, sir, aomatic. That's a that's the halbum.
Speaker 1: You know. That's like I always kept no songs on there,
Speaker 1: like like it's only ten joints. You just play it
Speaker 1: through the reasonable. That was tough, Yeah, it was it
Speaker 1: was right, but like you don't appreciate reason done to
Speaker 1: like now, we appreciate when you first standing what you have,
Speaker 1: an understanding what you are. I feel that I mean,
Speaker 1: and then you look twenty years later and he's doing it.
Speaker 1: He's doing that consistently. Man, he's I mean, j Jay's
Speaker 1: a gold man because he Jacob picks him now today
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh wow, I mean like he still
Speaker 1: got it greatness, Uh, including yourself, you plus four build
Speaker 1: an all time New York starting five. Really yeah, You're
Speaker 1: the point guard, so that eliminates all the other points.
Speaker 1: You can actually could put it at the point guard
Speaker 1: at the two if you want this your team. Well,
Speaker 1: I always gonna put my brother down because no, that's
Speaker 1: my brother sold so me and skipping the backcourt. No,
Speaker 1: all right, um, Like I'm gonna get crucified a little bit,
Speaker 1: right because when you told New York City who you
Speaker 1: gotta talk, Pearl Washington or Kenyanson. But I'm going with
Speaker 1: I'm going with a young flavor. So I'm gonna with
Speaker 1: me and ski all right? Oh ma, you know this
Speaker 1: is one that we're gonna make a graphic of this,
Speaker 1: you know, you like we know the Goat was from Brooklyn,
Speaker 1: right right, So you know Mike is from Brooklyn, right right, right,
Speaker 1: right right, So so I gotta pay Mike on there,
Speaker 1: right right. So you know Shock is from are you
Speaker 1: saying New York? Okay? So so Shock is from Jersey.
Speaker 1: I can't do Jersey, all right. So so you know
Speaker 1: Kareem is from the city too, right right, So that's
Speaker 1: the center, you know what I mean. So I'm not
Speaker 1: trying to make sure I get how much to the
Speaker 1: to the you know, the the legends and my wing's
Speaker 1: gonna mess you up. Man. Best score I ever seen
Speaker 1: in my life. Man. But but nowr King Brost the
Speaker 1: best small forward scorer I've seen. That's just me. Let
Speaker 1: me ask you a question about this one guy, the
Speaker 1: Black Widow. Oh he could have played in the league,
Speaker 1: bro who to it was tough comes, O'm my mad
Speaker 1: he he our size. I'm very familiar. I'm a big
Speaker 1: fan of Hill, big fan, bro. And let me ask
Speaker 1: a question. Can I get two teams because I got
Speaker 1: another teams? No, No, I'm done. Pick a team to
Speaker 1: go against them, pick a team to go against them
Speaker 1: against y'all all right, So I'm gonna in the backcourt.
Speaker 1: You know it's my brother man called us David Woods
Speaker 1: and Kenny Anderson, sir Um. You know, I gotta pick
Speaker 1: Dr J and just small forward because he just him
Speaker 1: him him going at m J. Dr Doc. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, doctor the doctor. You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: I know my brother matter piece is gonna get get
Speaker 1: mad at me, wrong man, because you know he's you know,
Speaker 1: that's my brother warrior, my brother. You guys can men
Speaker 1: tough about right now? So many tools, so many you
Speaker 1: write about that just like she's like, I'm trying to
Speaker 1: figure out who this center is gonna be, but I
Speaker 1: don't even know about Yea, I know y'all number guards
Speaker 1: out there. You know what I mean, what it's going
Speaker 1: to be. You know what I just think with my
Speaker 1: first group man, and I just you know, I know,
Speaker 1: I know people hit me up, but come on, it's
Speaker 1: kareem My dud with you'rbar and Michael Jordan. Come on, yeah,
Speaker 1: come on, that's crazy. Come on man, really, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like, what were we talking about right now?
Speaker 1: You know what? What what are we really talking about?
Speaker 1: Just with dose two dudes along? What were we talking about? Nothing? Okay?
Speaker 1: I'm gonna change this last one since you're authentic New
Speaker 1: York and we already really spoke on that top five
Speaker 1: m seas in your opinion from New York. Oh oh right,
Speaker 1: so you got big nas Jay. What you're gonna do
Speaker 1: with that? You gotta obviously what he did, you gotta
Speaker 1: throw Frith and now all right that man. See I'm biased, right,
Speaker 1: I'm biased because I like that, But he's from my hood, bro,
Speaker 1: So I got through my I gotta go throw my
Speaker 1: from my hood. You know he you know, he had
Speaker 1: a great run. He had a good tenure run. You know,
Speaker 1: I gotta throw John there. Yeah, yeah, you're probably gonna
Speaker 1: do nah to me. John Rule was ahead of his time.
Speaker 1: He was rapping as you know what John Roll would
Speaker 1: do today with rapping and singing the hits he was
Speaker 1: making that, you know what I mean? He from my hood.
Speaker 1: So I got through in that. He changed the game around, right,
Speaker 1: think about nobody's what he's doing the R and B ship.
Speaker 1: Like he was telling someone I was arguing with someone
Speaker 1: like two weeks ago about how cold he would be
Speaker 1: right now. He was just before his time, would be
Speaker 1: killing it right now. Yeah, So I'm going with those five.
Speaker 1: I'm not at that top five coaches of all time
Speaker 1: in your opinion, and what sport? All the sports are
Speaker 1: just basketball period mm hmm. Top five coaches all time.
Speaker 1: It's like I got a lot of respect, Like like
Speaker 1: I got a lot of respect for you know, what
Speaker 1: part Rally did? Mm hmm. I got a lot of
Speaker 1: spect for for what pet Rally did? You know? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I got a lot of respect for Lenny.
Speaker 1: What Lenny Whippers did. Yeah, you know, I think he
Speaker 1: did it for us, you know what I mean. I
Speaker 1: got a lot of spect for Lenny Um. You know
Speaker 1: on the football side, you know, I know people gett
Speaker 1: give them help. But what good Belichick did? No questions,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like just like what are
Speaker 1: we talking about? You feel me? We really talking about?
Speaker 1: Like growing up? No? You like like like I'm just
Speaker 1: like I'm a basketball dude, fellas, Like just so you know,
Speaker 1: like I'm a basketball dude. Like what Chuck Dell he
Speaker 1: did with those those bad boys, Like like I read
Speaker 1: his books, like my team had that same mentality that
Speaker 1: he had. So I'll rock with Chuck man, like I
Speaker 1: know a lot of people I rocked with him, man,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: And just wait, just what he did, you know for
Speaker 1: those guys and Detroit At that time, I thought it
Speaker 1: was just amazing, you know, And like I like Dusty
Speaker 1: Baker Fellers, Dusty, go ahead, he went to my high school.
Speaker 1: He went to my high school. I broke all his
Speaker 1: records in high school. He's a legend. Yeah, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Just like I like, I like when
Speaker 1: dude stand for something. Bro, he was just kids pick
Speaker 1: his mind. You know. He did things the way he
Speaker 1: wanted to do. And I think everybody who I name
Speaker 1: did things their way. It's important, it's important. Shout out Dusty.
Speaker 1: I love that Del Campo High School. You know, like
Speaker 1: like know I say that name and some people probably
Speaker 1: don't even know who does he is? You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Ship, If you could pick one guest for
Speaker 1: us to have on All the Smoke, who would it be?
Speaker 1: But before you answer this question, you have to help
Speaker 1: us get your answer on the show. Bam. So if
Speaker 1: I had one guest that I want to try to
Speaker 1: have on the show, and what was the second part,
Speaker 1: and you got to help us get your answer on
Speaker 1: our show. So it's gotta be someone, you know, so
Speaker 1: I know you just gotta hit whatever you say. You
Speaker 1: just gotta help us, get us get up. I don't
Speaker 1: have to be somebody, you know what I mean? Most
Speaker 1: likely it's gonna have to be some when you know,
Speaker 1: right right, I look at I look at your show man.
Speaker 1: I mean, y'all dudes had dudes on it. That's the
Speaker 1: real dude. That dude that I look up to. You
Speaker 1: feel me? But you guys, hey, you're from Queens. We
Speaker 1: just talked about it. You can get in touch with him,
Speaker 1: amatic man, Let's do it. You know that's getting as
Speaker 1: on the show. Bro. Yeah, I know some people that
Speaker 1: that you know that. Yeah, just a my contact. I
Speaker 1: lost Jungle's number. So if Jungle happened to see this,
Speaker 1: Jungle we need bro. I've seen him at restaurant not
Speaker 1: too long ago, but I don't want to ask him.
Speaker 1: Wrong time, wrong place. But you know what do you so?
Speaker 1: My brother Randy, So, my brother Randy Echo him and
Speaker 1: him and Clue is his partners. No clues to type
Speaker 1: what you know? What? What? No? So let me want
Speaker 1: that I need that. Yes, definitely shout out clue. We
Speaker 1: need should we need clue to my clue. We need clue. Man,
Speaker 1: We appreciate your time. I want to shout out your St.
Speaker 1: Pete crew. If you guys happen to see this, man,
Speaker 1: you you made all of us proud. Happy for y'all boys. Man,
Speaker 1: Best of luck moving forward, not only in basketball but
Speaker 1: life to the new uh new Seaton Hall fellas, man,
Speaker 1: best of luck. We're rooting for y'all. We're gonna come
Speaker 1: funk with y'all, recruit shots, all the other ship you
Speaker 1: want to have. You're gonna be seen over here. Player. Man,
Speaker 1: you know real told fellows like this was like and
Speaker 1: this ain't seen all ain't death. Bro. But if you
Speaker 1: want to play for a coach that no basketball, that
Speaker 1: played the game and then say they trying to live
Speaker 1: their hoop dreams, do you coming? Let's do it? Bro,
Speaker 1: that's doing you know what? You can't put this better
Speaker 1: man like you No, it's and brother for real, like
Speaker 1: like I'm being honest with you guys, man, like I
Speaker 1: fuss with you guys man like you guys are what
Speaker 1: the coach you need? You know what's real, y'all. Keep authentic, y'all,
Speaker 1: keep it real, y'all, speak on your mind. You speak
Speaker 1: on topics that people aren't comfortable speaking on. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, And that's what I think that we need. Man.
Speaker 1: So thank you guys for having me on. Man. When
Speaker 1: they told me about it, I said, I gotta do
Speaker 1: it man, like you're kidding me, Like I gotta do it, man.
Speaker 1: So thank you guys so much. And if you guys
Speaker 1: on mind, like my son like he's killing me right now.
Speaker 1: He just wanted I gotta say him in bro, and
Speaker 1: your mom was hopping to tell him to hopping the
Speaker 1: camera mat check out Mac. He got here like you Mac,
Speaker 1: you know, tell us it's so hand so well man,
Speaker 1: this one young son, Exavier, what's up? What''s up? All right?
Speaker 1: He was killing me, Man said, don't be like, come
Speaker 1: on down, let me get on, let me get all
Speaker 1: of me. You have responsibility like us, light skinned boys,
Speaker 1: we gotta we gotta get. It's hard on us because
Speaker 1: of that hair and our complexion. People are gonna be
Speaker 1: trying to you know, I mean messing now on the
Speaker 1: girls though, bro, Hey Shanty had that good hair in
Speaker 1: high school. Tell him shot she had to. I used
Speaker 1: to have it, bros. To have got you got you
Speaker 1: got some Dominican in you what you got? No I
Speaker 1: juices and berries? Bro? He did hey? Did you? Hey?
Speaker 1: The juices and berries? He ain't got no here today?
Speaker 1: Fact your fellows, No talk man, Thank you guys, man,
Speaker 1: appreciate man, Thank you man. Another episode. Thank our special guest,
Speaker 1: Shea Holloway. Best of luck to you. Bro. You can
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