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Speaker 1: Welcome back to another edition. All the smoke Jack was good, Man,

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Speaker 1: ready to roll was good. My brother, I hit children,

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Speaker 1: just got some good games in this morning. What about

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Speaker 1: I heard I heard you was out there doing your

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Speaker 1: thing at the l A Fitness Yeah. Man, you know

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Speaker 1: I hit party folks, So I gotta just drop off

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Speaker 1: party falling up. Yeah, everybody party pulling up in trouble. Hey,

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Speaker 1: when you stay in your lane, there ain't no traffic. Bro.

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Speaker 1: You died. Hey, man, this interview right here is a

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Speaker 1: long time coming. Um, I'm excited we got this man

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Speaker 1: to when I was younger playing who Uh, someone that

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Speaker 1: Jack knows really well. Welcome to the show. Shaheen, Holloway coach.

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Speaker 1: How you doing. I'm doing good, feathers Man, thanks for

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Speaker 1: having me married. A big fan of the show Man,

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Speaker 1: big fan. Appreciate that. Thank you for your time. Man. Uh.

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Speaker 1: A lot of new big stuff is going on for

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Speaker 1: you to We appreciate you sharing some time with us. Um,

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Speaker 1: let's get to it, you guys, as you as the

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Speaker 1: head coach former head coach of St. Pete Man a

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Speaker 1: historical n C double a run. Uh this past March.

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Speaker 1: Before we talk about that run, tell us how that

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Speaker 1: job came about. Oh, you the A D that we

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Speaker 1: He worked with me. I've seen the Hall for eight

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Speaker 1: years and we got the job over there. He called

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Speaker 1: me up. You know, I trust him, you know I

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Speaker 1: the rest kind of history. What was that experience like?

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Speaker 1: Obviously you know, coming from Seton Hall, going to a

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Speaker 1: smaller college, but then being able to build them up, Uh,

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Speaker 1: not only into a Cinderella story, but just a well

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Speaker 1: disciplined team that played hard, had a lot of heart. Uh.

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Speaker 1: What was that. Talk to us about that process and

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Speaker 1: how that happened. You know it was at first it

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Speaker 1: was tough, right, any time you go from a high

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Speaker 1: major to a low major. Right, Um, things that you're

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Speaker 1: do that with that one. The ball right, just dude

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Speaker 1: that was hungry, had chip on his shoulder that was underrecruited.

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Speaker 1: People didn't believe in them. I brought them in. You know,

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Speaker 1: I like tough guys. I played a certain way, so

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Speaker 1: I want gods to fit my personality, right, So when

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Speaker 1: and it's kind of something to prove that. I want

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Speaker 1: kind of the guys I brought in. And you know,

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Speaker 1: it was a build up for three years, and to

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Speaker 1: then ye have red. You know, we kind of went

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Speaker 1: situations with situations like this are always bitter sweet when

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Speaker 1: do find when you do get that success, you know

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Speaker 1: so to speak. Uh being you built such an amazing

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Speaker 1: and what did you tell your guys when you decided

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Speaker 1: and Theil God was like, coach, you gotta go. You know,

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Speaker 1: that's home. You work your butt off for this opportunity,

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Speaker 1: Like that's something that we would do if we had

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Speaker 1: then the next two hours when we did we were

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Speaker 1: That's beautiful. Looking back on the journey, on the experience,

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Speaker 1: what particularly stood out to you about this tournament run?

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Speaker 1: So for me, for them, it was like everything right.

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Speaker 1: So I just love the attention for them and beyond

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Speaker 1: What was it like to finally sign your name on

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Speaker 1: that dotted line, you know, getting a chance to play there,

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Speaker 1: going back, going down and then coming back. Now, what

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Speaker 1: it's gonna fake stuff here, right, So you know, I

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Speaker 1: and financially to keep it real. Yeah it works. I

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Speaker 1: in which you can do uh for that program. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Moving on the McDonald's All American game was it? Was

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Speaker 1: it ninety six? Yea Loading Class. There's no there's no

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Speaker 1: Loaded Class, Loaded Class. It's well documented. Who played, um

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Speaker 1: and then you and Jack. I want you Injack, to

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Speaker 1: from like like you know, everybody from different stages, different places,

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Speaker 1: put things in perspective, right, Like we you know, as athletes,

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Speaker 1: going at it, Bro, Like I understanding it was for me.

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Speaker 1: For me too, Bro, I feel the same way you felt.

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Speaker 1: Like this was our first time altogether. We all heard

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Speaker 1: each other dog. But to all be on the same team,

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Speaker 1: to all pay together like that was that that was

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Speaker 1: definitely the height, not even the game, but like you said,

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Speaker 1: just to be around everybody was the height of mcdonnal's

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Speaker 1: game for probably me too. It was so crazy, right

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Speaker 1: because you look at the guy rights stack that we

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Speaker 1: don't even talk about, but the time, like Ronnie Fields

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Speaker 1: a team was ridiculous. We would have had Ronnie Fields,

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Speaker 1: bro mm y'all didn't y'all didn't even need it, you

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Speaker 1: really wasn't no come up the bench. You got add Quota, JAMAINEO,

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Speaker 1: was your guys are starting five? It was it was me, Stag, Kobe,

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Speaker 1: Tim and it wasn't it was was it all no Jamae,

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Speaker 1: it was it was Jamane right now, Jamaine didn't start.

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Speaker 1: Now Jamae came up the bench. Remember Jamaica up the

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Speaker 1: out there for a summer. You know, I was like,

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Speaker 1: I know, let me try it out. You know, the

424
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Speaker 1: first year two I was coming home every weekend. After

425
00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:18,959
Speaker 1: I got used to it, it kind of made sense, right, Um,

426
00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:21,879
Speaker 1: new opportunity, new place, and to tell you truth from me,

427
00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:25,159
Speaker 1: I've never really been nowhere. So going from New York

428
00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:26,520
Speaker 1: to New Jersey was like going from New York to

429
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Speaker 1: l A. Like that's how far it seemed to me. Right, Um,

430
00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:32,960
Speaker 1: just came back, you know, home every weekend. And you

431
00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:36,040
Speaker 1: know what my high school coach since to coach christiph

432
00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:37,960
Speaker 1: fans like, yo, bro, you gotta make a decisions like

433
00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:40,560
Speaker 1: what's important to you going back home being around those

434
00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:42,840
Speaker 1: dudes are being here trying to make something of yourself.

435
00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:45,000
Speaker 1: And you had you had, you had those talks, and

436
00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:49,680
Speaker 1: then basketball start getting some you know, notoriety, people don't

437
00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:51,720
Speaker 1: knowing you are, and it came easy. And as you know,

438
00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:54,320
Speaker 1: I'm in Jersey during the same year did in New York,

439
00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:56,560
Speaker 1: but in Jersey people appreciate it more, you know what

440
00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:58,639
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So and then you kind of like like

441
00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:00,719
Speaker 1: that and about that, and then from there they kind

442
00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:06,320
Speaker 1: of shot up took off. Mm hmm. Nothing like feeling appreciated. Yeah, sir,

443
00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:09,359
Speaker 1: you came to your own when you hit St. Patrick

444
00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:13,360
Speaker 1: same place as Kyrie, my brother Al Harrington, Jonathan Comua.

445
00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:16,119
Speaker 1: What was your high school experience like St? Pass? Man?

446
00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:17,520
Speaker 1: I know, because you know I got a chance to

447
00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:19,399
Speaker 1: see it first hand, coming up the same time as you.

448
00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:21,920
Speaker 1: But tell them what the experience like playing at St.

449
00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:24,480
Speaker 1: Pass Well, first of all, before we started shouting to

450
00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:29,800
Speaker 1: my brother Al Harington, too great people, man, you know

451
00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:32,560
Speaker 1: I got some stories. Well, man, I wasn't always that

452
00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:34,879
Speaker 1: good man. When we first started the program off, like,

453
00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:38,080
Speaker 1: it wasn't known at all all right, And that's dry

454
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Speaker 1: coach Kevin Boyle, who is now the coach at Mault Verdi, Right,

455
00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:42,399
Speaker 1: you know, my versis biggest high school out right now.

456
00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:45,040
Speaker 1: You know, he just had a vision. His vision was like, yo,

457
00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:46,600
Speaker 1: let me try to get the best players here and

458
00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:49,520
Speaker 1: built it. And it started with me and they kind

459
00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:52,000
Speaker 1: of moved on, right, and now it's like a household name,

460
00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:53,920
Speaker 1: but it was it was in the beginning. It was

461
00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:56,000
Speaker 1: tough because no one knew who he was, but he

462
00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:58,600
Speaker 1: pen us on that stage like going to tournaments and

463
00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:00,760
Speaker 1: when you're in high school, like if you guys to show, yeah,

464
00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:02,680
Speaker 1: you'll played in the City of Palms, right, playing the

465
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:05,280
Speaker 1: City of Palms. They've been playing in the Beach Ball

466
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:08,159
Speaker 1: Classic and all those things. So those are the torments

467
00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:10,320
Speaker 1: he put us in. And then now you're going out

468
00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:13,480
Speaker 1: there and now you're playing against everybody. Like I remember

469
00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:16,120
Speaker 1: playing the Beach Ball Classic, right, I was a sophomore

470
00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:18,600
Speaker 1: and I played with Chauncey Buillards. I'm like, yo, this

471
00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:21,600
Speaker 1: dude right here, it's getting truth, Like who did you

472
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Speaker 1: dude from dever this New York game? Like like Chauncey,

473
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Speaker 1: Like you guys remember Chauncey and high school brons. He

474
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Speaker 1: had the same bill he has in the NBA, the

475
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Speaker 1: same side, the same bill. Imagine that in high school

476
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Speaker 1: you don't say, like the chance was like and like

477
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Speaker 1: and you see that, did you come back and you

478
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Speaker 1: kind of work in your your craft and you get

479
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Speaker 1: better and then you kind of build a year to

480
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Speaker 1: year to hear. Then by time was a senior, it

481
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:48,040
Speaker 1: was like all right, well it's time to go, bro,

482
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Speaker 1: It's go time, and it's you know from there. Well,

483
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:55,720
Speaker 1: I can say your junior year. All you're saying year

484
00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:58,680
Speaker 1: you started receiving a lot of national notoriety. I think

485
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Speaker 1: it's starting at ABC D camp stack right, So you

486
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Speaker 1: go to a b C D. Right, and they did

487
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:06,920
Speaker 1: a great job. Huh who was there at that time?

488
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:12,440
Speaker 1: You like anybody, and it's from all over, like the

489
00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:14,760
Speaker 1: best players from all over. Like so back then it

490
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 1: wasn't no Nike camp. It was no just a B

491
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Speaker 1: C D and you had to get invited. It was

492
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Speaker 1: like the best seventy eight guys and whoever whoever was

493
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Speaker 1: like like, like you playing a good dude that I'll

494
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:31,080
Speaker 1: never forget this man, Like I never told the story

495
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:34,560
Speaker 1: my going into my senior year, I was number one

496
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Speaker 1: point guard and dad me playing this kid, little short,

497
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Speaker 1: chubby kid. Right, it was color out of me. I

498
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:42,560
Speaker 1: didn't know who he was, like he was from Minnesota.

499
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:44,960
Speaker 1: I had no idea who he was. Came in and

500
00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:51,680
Speaker 1: put that work in that pain and he was short, short,

501
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:55,320
Speaker 1: no chubby dude. That was just to score, bro like

502
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Speaker 1: just bucket like every how do you want it? However

503
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Speaker 1: you want it? He gave it to you. Right, muscles,

504
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:08,719
Speaker 1: no muscle at all, just lettle chupping little kid game. Bro.

505
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:12,680
Speaker 1: He had he's been that painting right and those and

506
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 1: those are the things that you remember the most. I

507
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 1: couldn't wait to play and get on the circus. Shake

508
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 1: Cotton was one of them two dudes to man child

509
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 1: and we got to get him on the show. I

510
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:26,479
Speaker 1: didn't mean to cut you off. He trains he trains

511
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 1: kids at where we practice out down here, and I

512
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:30,720
Speaker 1: told him, Bro, you gotta come on the show. Because

513
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 1: Shay was that Sha because she was West Coast. So

514
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Speaker 1: I remember seeing. I was a freshman in ninety four

515
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Speaker 1: nine five, and this is the first time I've ever

516
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Speaker 1: seen a high school basketball game on TV. When he

517
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Speaker 1: played and I want to say, he played Fremont in

518
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 1: the state championship. This dude. I was like, this dude

519
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,680
Speaker 1: is only one year older than me. Oh my god.

520
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,800
Speaker 1: It was unbelievable. And like it. I raised my hands

521
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:53,840
Speaker 1: when we get to talk about him, Bro, because he

522
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 1: used used to doing games games. Bro. Oh my god, Bro, Sha,

523
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:02,640
Speaker 1: we need you on the show. Shake Cotton and that's

524
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:06,400
Speaker 1: a bond weaver was the dudes. Bro. Shake and that's

525
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:08,639
Speaker 1: a bond weaver. Was the dudes when we was an

526
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,920
Speaker 1: ever nine TIH grade. Those dudes was like legendary, like

527
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 1: shaving from the West Coast. But everybody knew about him

528
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 1: everywhere everybody. He was on the coming Sports Illustrate as

529
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Speaker 1: a freshman. Think about that kill, think about that right?

530
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,120
Speaker 1: To me, it was it was the Lebron height before

531
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Speaker 1: Lebron like that type of hep. That's who he was.

532
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,160
Speaker 1: To us, I'm gonna give you want even more, Matt,

533
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 1: check this out. Phelippe was before true Philippe. I had

534
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,960
Speaker 1: never seen nobody like him get hyped like like like

535
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 1: him like I did't never seen that even to this day, bro.

536
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 1: And on social media there he had his whole country

537
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 1: behind him too. They dropped out for that dude. But

538
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,119
Speaker 1: can you can you imagine being a Nike camp and

539
00:26:56,240 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 1: seeing a slam dunk contest with Shade Cotton, Ronnie Ells,

540
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:08,120
Speaker 1: Baron Davis, and court A Bentrooms all flyers, all Flyersness.

541
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 1: Talk to us about your recruiting process. Obviously number one

542
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 1: point guard could have win anywhere, had offers from duke kids,

543
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 1: as you chose to stay close to home and go

544
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 1: to see the hall. What was your recruiting process, Like

545
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 1: you know, it was crazy. Right. St. Pastors a small school.

546
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,440
Speaker 1: They only have like two hundred kids, right, two hundred

547
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 1: thirty kids. So when you kind of get used to that.

548
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 1: And then like I went on all types of visits,

549
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:38,439
Speaker 1: like I went on on the visit to Kyle Brooklyn

550
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Speaker 1: right and sif I'll do righting with you at the time,

551
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:44,920
Speaker 1: childish right. And I went out there on my visit

552
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 1: and I ain't never seen nothing like that before in

553
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:50,119
Speaker 1: my life. Man, seven thousand people, man everywhere. You know,

554
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 1: I'm walking on the streets, don't LIS's how just treat

555
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:56,199
Speaker 1: this girls walking around with topless I'm like, what the oh?

556
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 1: This is how it is. That's how they get down

557
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 1: at yet right, um and and Coach Boseman had a

558
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 1: role and they had made folks and Jolanni Gardener they had,

559
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 1: but they had all those dudes, right, And I go

560
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 1: on my visit there and I'm like, yo, this is love.

561
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 1: Then I'll go on my visits a Duke right and me,

562
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 1: Nate James, Chris Carlwell and uh, oh boy, there was

563
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 1: in our class that passed away Jason Collia you know, no, no, no, no,

564
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 1: you know gop us and dead to him. So I'm

565
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 1: on my visits with those guys there. Right, then you

566
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 1: go to Kansas and you know Kentucky. I'm like, so

567
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:36,159
Speaker 1: when I came to see the Hall, it was just

568
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 1: like it was just different, right, it was small always

569
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 1: to me, I'm I love being a trend setter, Like

570
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 1: I always going to place it where people tell me that,

571
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 1: you know, don't go there. You shouldn't do this because

572
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 1: they can't do this right. Don't go to the same

573
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 1: packs nobody never heard of him. Go to Bishop Lacking

574
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 1: because they've heard of him, you know, the same paths.

575
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 1: I wanted to start my own thing. Don't go to

576
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 1: see Hall because see halls down like you need to

577
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 1: go to the Duke of Kansas. No, I'm gonna see

578
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 1: holl did by time I left seeing Hall. You never

579
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 1: get anere of recording class, and I did as a

580
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 1: player and as a coach. So when I was making

581
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 1: my decision, you know, me and Tim Thomas was supposed

582
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 1: to go together here all right, So that was a

583
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 1: whole deal, Like he was going to see Hall together

584
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 1: and then at the last minute he chose Villanova and

585
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 1: I was like, you know what, I'm going over here? Man,

586
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 1: the coach gave me the ball. You know, when you're young,

587
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 1: you feel like, yo, I don't need no body people,

588
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 1: and come with me, right I start was gonna get

589
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 1: the whole world come with me, and then me just

590
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 1: I just came in just. Plus I had a daughter

591
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 1: at the time, right, I had when out to Tim Craig. Um,

592
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 1: I didn't have a fallow grown up. So I wanted

593
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 1: to make sure I was there for my daughter. I

594
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 1: wanted to be cold to her and that and that played.

595
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 1: That played a big factor, and me staying close at

596
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 1: home first and foremost. I love to hear that. Uh,

597
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 1: is there any truth that coach Kay told you that

598
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 1: you're the only player to turn down Duke after visiting

599
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 1: the campus twice twice twice? Bro? Yeah, So I went

600
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 1: on an official visit and then I went unofficially when

601
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 1: they played U C l A. And you said, yea,

602
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 1: I just want a national championship. So the next year

603
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 1: they came in and I went there, and the fan

604
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 1: business crazy, man. I ain't never seen nothing like that

605
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 1: even to his day. Who was on that Duke team

606
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 1: at the time, Um, Jeff Cables. Uh, those guy like

607
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 1: busy right that Yeah, that like that, that whole crew, um,

608
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 1: and you know what, to be honest with you, man,

609
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 1: like coach k I just came back. Remember he had

610
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 1: set out because he had that back surgery, right, and

611
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 1: do kind of struggle. So now you remember when he

612
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 1: came back, he came back with advengeance like he trying

613
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 1: to get everybody. Um, and he he did a great job.

614
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 1: But you know, it just came down to being comfortable, right,

615
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 1: being a kid from New York, New Jersey, having my

616
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 1: daughter and just kind of want to stablish my own thing. Man.

617
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 1: Just to be honest, you respect that. Um. Obviously, having

618
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 1: a child at such a young age, you know, fifteen,

619
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:57,959
Speaker 1: sixteen years old, kind of forces you to step your

620
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,080
Speaker 1: game up and be a man. Tell me what that

621
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 1: was like, juggling obviously wanted to be a father. I

622
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 1: love that you make that point first and foremost. But

623
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 1: then school, hoop life in general at that age. You

624
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 1: know what, it's crazy, right because it's a kid being

625
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 1: a kid, a kid having a kid. Right, you're fifteen

626
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 1: years old, sixteen years old, you know, you know we

627
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 1: shouldn't be in the streets, but we but we're in

628
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 1: the streets. We from then the city is there is

629
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 1: what it is, right. You know, my community helped me

630
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 1: out though. I gotta be honest, you man, Like when

631
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 1: anybody say it takes a village, it really takes a village.

632
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 1: But like real talk, like like my family was dead

633
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 1: for me, right, they every sep of the way, um.

634
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 1: And then you know, you just kind of when you're

635
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 1: playing ball and you you know, I don't want to

636
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 1: just turn because I don't want to be selling cocky, know,

637
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 1: but like when you're that guy, anybody want to help

638
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 1: you out. Like you guys understand that you've been through it,

639
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 1: like you know when you're young a body. You know,

640
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 1: when you when anybody see something that they think, Okay,

641
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 1: this god gonna be the next one. Anybody want to

642
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 1: be around. Right, So I had a lot of people

643
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 1: that to help me out. Um. And then you know

644
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 1: just who I am and the and the values that

645
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 1: I grew away from my mother, right, Like that was

646
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 1: important man to beat there for her and you know,

647
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 1: and not knowing him because it's like when you wearving

648
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 1: a kid. Everything in life there's a manu right, like

649
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 1: the tracks, right, you just kind of go on what

650
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 1: you know and what you know at the time. It's

651
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 1: not right, but you just know what I'm saying, that's

652
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 1: kind of yeah, you know, I mean that's that's kind

653
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 1: of what I just did, right, And and you know,

654
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 1: and Hi work out and workout and having to work

655
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 1: out good for me. And you know, I want to

656
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 1: give a shout out to my daughter for real, y'all.

657
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 1: Like it wasn't hard, it wasn't easy, but she graduated

658
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 1: from the scene hall and now she's doing her thing, man,

659
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 1: and I just want to show man, like, what's her name?

660
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 1: Her name is shout tunique shot, shout out, shout out congratulations.

661
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 1: So you know, she dratulated and it wasn't easy, right,

662
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 1: think about going to a school where your dad went

663
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 1: to and anybody's following you and making sure that you

664
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 1: can't be your own person, you know, And she kind

665
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 1: of you know, went through all that, So shout out

666
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 1: for you know, going through that, you know. So, but

667
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 1: then but then you start Matt and it's that, right,

668
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 1: but it's a beautiful part of this whole thing, right,

669
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 1: Like I didn't make the pros, but I got hurt.

670
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 1: Right then I graduated college, right, I be I'm the

671
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 1: first one of my family in my community to go

672
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 1: to college. Now it's a norm right now. Now you

673
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 1: start that, Now it's a normal in your family and

674
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 1: your community. To me, that's the biggest thing that I

675
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 1: ever did was finished school. Because now I got seven

676
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 1: eight little cousins and nieces and nephew. People are community

677
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 1: that because I didn't, now they did. Now it's cool.

678
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 1: So that's to me, it's the most beautiful thing. Salute

679
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 1: a star. Seating hard at the jump someone you hit

680
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 1: the campus, You're star? What did that feel like? You? No?

681
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 1: It was you know, it was college? Right, So everything

682
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 1: that we imagine going to college, you imagine the girls.

683
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 1: You know, Jack don't know though Jack, Jack decided to

684
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 1: for the waters. Yeah, but Jack college was dope, explaining

685
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 1: people because people don't understand, man, how fun college was. Yeah,

686
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 1: but you know, everybody wasn't unfortunate as Jack. No, Jack

687
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 1: got a back and I want to go back, and

688
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 1: then I want to go back and experience. I still

689
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 1: got time. J R. Smith could do it. I can

690
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 1: do it. Do it. I'll go with you. Facts how high?

691
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 1: But you know mat you know man, Look, I mean

692
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 1: you know obviously the college you went to, it it's legendary, right,

693
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 1: But when you get st up on campus, right, and

694
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 1: anybody know who you are. It's a it's a gift

695
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 1: in the curse, right be could you like you almost

696
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 1: can't be who you want to be because sometimes who

697
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 1: you is is not good for for that college. Everybody's watching, right,

698
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:51,799
Speaker 1: And that was kind of me, Like I was real

699
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:55,879
Speaker 1: raw come into college right right, I'm still I still

700
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:57,399
Speaker 1: got New York and me, I still got the hood

701
00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 1: of me something raw so and you don't want to

702
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 1: change you are, but you know you gotta make adjustments.

703
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:03,360
Speaker 1: So for me, the first two years was kind of

704
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 1: tough because I couldn't be myself, right. I couldn't go

705
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 1: to this dom that doom you go somebody don yo

706
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 1: yo yo, Shine's here. Well you know he's with this girl,

707
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:15,719
Speaker 1: so you can't really do what and back then with

708
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 1: no social media and you still everybody know your business. Um.

709
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 1: So for me, I just lived in the gym bro

710
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:25,799
Speaker 1: um had a great freshman year. Coach got fired, new

711
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 1: coach came in and just kind of making adjustments and

712
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 1: we really bumped hats because I'm like, yo, this is

713
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:34,320
Speaker 1: my show, bro. And then the coach that came in

714
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 1: with the same coach that recruited me from Doupe. One

715
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 1: of the reasons why I go there. You know what

716
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 1: I'm saying. You know what I'm saying. So now he's

717
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 1: my head coach. I see Halls and now we we

718
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 1: we're bumping hats because he want to sw the game

719
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 1: down and play his system. I want to play my style,

720
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:52,840
Speaker 1: and I just bound you. I had to grow up,

721
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 1: you know. I take responsibility for that. I wasn't mature

722
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 1: enough back then. And when then my senior year, we

723
00:35:57,920 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 1: kind of made a run because I grew up in

724
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 1: days kind of played themselves out. Let's talk about them

725
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 1: Big East battles, Rip Hamilton, Ron Test it was. It

726
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 1: was legendary, right because I came to school because I

727
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:12,359
Speaker 1: wanted to play this Alan Obviason. That's why I chose

728
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:15,959
Speaker 1: see like like and I didn't know he was gonna

729
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 1: leave and go to Georgetown, like like I wanted to

730
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:21,719
Speaker 1: play against something like he was, you know how you

731
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 1: like we all have somebody to say, you know what,

732
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 1: I want to play against that dude like he's that,

733
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 1: you know, And that's one of the reason why I

734
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 1: came to see hall Um. But then you here and

735
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 1: like every team had somebody at that time that was

736
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 1: a great card. Every night was you know, think about

737
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:41,360
Speaker 1: problems at Sham and share my brother, right, but like

738
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 1: I wanted to take Sham hat off, like no, bro,

739
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 1: Like I'm the best guard, right. And then you know

740
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:50,399
Speaker 1: every team had somebody though Nova had Alvin Williams taking

741
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,800
Speaker 1: about your six five point guard you know, you know

742
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:55,719
Speaker 1: played in the league, you know, so every team had

743
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 1: one of those dudes. And at the time, the Big

744
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 1: East was known as like a real physical car friends,

745
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,840
Speaker 1: and that's what I was built for. You decide, you

746
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 1: go four years of seton hall, talk to us about

747
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 1: the process coming out of your senior year high hopes

748
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 1: and they didn't end up materializing, but you still were

749
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 1: able to do stuff to talk to us about that

750
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 1: that time in your life. So you know, I got

751
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 1: hurt in this in this week six saying right, Um,

752
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:24,479
Speaker 1: I booked my ankle, and I kind of rushed back

753
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 1: because like you when you five ten, you know you

754
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 1: ain't six six six seven, you five ten, You know

755
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 1: you got opportunities. So I got invited to Chicago free

756
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 1: draft camp. Um I still wasn't Anderson Hill. I'm like,

757
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 1: you know what, I gotta go because I missed. I

758
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 1: missed t workouts because I couldn't work out because my ankle. Right,

759
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 1: So I went to the camp and I'm working, and

760
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 1: I know I thought I did no good. So when

761
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 1: you got a chance to go to like Lenning Hamilton

762
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 1: was the head coach of the University of Miami all

763
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 1: right for four years. He coach against me. He ha

764
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 1: just got the head coaching job back to Watch and Wizards,

765
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 1: so he wanted me to come there for the free

766
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:07,279
Speaker 1: agent camp. I went to the Knicks because my silly

767
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 1: self like New York, I'm home. I can make it.

768
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 1: Not back then, no one is telling you that they

769
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 1: got three guards on guarantee contract. So now there's Charlie Ward,

770
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 1: There's there's um Chris Childs, and there's Rick Brunston, right,

771
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 1: and Rick Pussons my guy. So now I'm like, all roll,

772
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 1: I'll played Rick Bunson in the summer leads. Like I'm

773
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 1: like I could, I could, I could get joke right,

774
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 1: But like you don't know that Rick's been there for

775
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 1: two or three years. You know, Timms at the time

776
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 1: was assistant coach. TIMPs love him like, hey, Mace, love him.

777
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 1: Got us your dad Like he's been there for three years,

778
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 1: Like he's a he's one of their guys. Right, So

779
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 1: I chose to go to the Knicks camp home. I'm

780
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 1: I'm in here. I'm working, bro, I an' gonna lie.

781
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:57,359
Speaker 1: I'm working. I'm working. These dudes working, like I never

782
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:01,319
Speaker 1: forget this. Ampy Mason was like, Yo, this dude belong

783
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:03,840
Speaker 1: on the team, right, I don't know what the politic

784
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 1: part of it did. Do belong on the team like

785
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 1: Charles Oakley, Right, I know he's a big brother to

786
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:12,319
Speaker 1: the show, right to Charles holes Like, yo, he's gonna

787
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 1: be my little man in veteran camp. Like I'm gonna

788
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 1: take care of him. Right, So I'm rocking. I'll never

789
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 1: forget this man like this takes my mind's when I

790
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 1: tell the kids all the time, we're in practice, right,

791
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 1: so if you know tips, they do three days and

792
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:29,719
Speaker 1: two of them is all defensive practice. Right. So um

793
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 1: Rick Bruster came down and scored, and yello me, I'm

794
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 1: like all right. So I went down and scored on

795
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 1: him the very next place he bringing the ball up,

796
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:43,399
Speaker 1: I ripped him. I scored him. Was like, Yo, whoa, whoa,

797
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 1: whoa whoa young feller, He's a veteran coach down on

798
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 1: the wall for next two practices. He had me on

799
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:51,359
Speaker 1: the wall, Bro, I ain't said at work. So people

800
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 1: like your rick, Why you do that? Bro? You know

801
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 1: how tips are gonna do that. He's like, yo, he

802
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 1: tried to take my spot, and I'm not mad. I

803
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 1: was mad at him then, but now when we look

804
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 1: back at them, you get it surviving, you feel me.

805
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 1: So to answer your question, man, like you know, um,

806
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:09,360
Speaker 1: you know how to come up to me the next right,

807
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 1: and went to the next camp and I made your team.

808
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 1: Jase Kid got hurt. They need to start a point guard,

809
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 1: so they got Travis Best right. So it was like

810
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:20,319
Speaker 1: it just did a line up. Good for me, man.

811
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 1: So I took my stuff a court the water eight

812
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:24,800
Speaker 1: years over there and made some good money, played and

813
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:27,919
Speaker 1: came back to coaching. They call it a numbers game

814
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 1: A lot. I know so many people that got caught

815
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 1: up in the numbers game, but long in the league.

816
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:36,360
Speaker 1: But they get two teams where the roster's full likes

817
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 1: it's called the numbers game. And you definitely got caught

818
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:40,919
Speaker 1: up on that because everybody, everybody in our class knew

819
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:44,400
Speaker 1: you definitely was gone favorite country overseas. You played in

820
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:49,880
Speaker 1: talk Turkey like I I went there low expectations and

821
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:54,360
Speaker 1: no E Temple was perfect and then not put in Israel.

822
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 1: Blew me away, bro, like they had me in the beach,

823
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 1: blew me away, you bro, blew me away. You know

824
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 1: they say point guards the extension of a coach, uh,

825
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 1: you know, kind of the coach on the floor. When

826
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:11,800
Speaker 1: did you decide to take coaching serious? You know? I

827
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 1: think like wanting down my career. Um. I tried coaching

828
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 1: my high school team and then hey, you no, just

829
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 1: to give back and be around right, Um, and you

830
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:24,359
Speaker 1: like it because this is why I'm in coaching right now.

831
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:27,280
Speaker 1: It's about the kids. You can make an impact on somebody,

832
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:30,919
Speaker 1: like how was that kid that somebody took a second

833
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:33,319
Speaker 1: and third chance on? Right? So that's what I wanted

834
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 1: to do, Um. And then they kind of start building

835
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 1: from there, right, Bobby, Because Alas got the job at

836
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 1: Eaton Hall and he wanted me to come on as

837
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 1: like a video guy. And I didn't want to do

838
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:44,319
Speaker 1: it because I thought it was playing. But I had

839
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 1: my daughter with me, um, and that's why I got

840
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 1: the coach in the behology guys. Um, there was no

841
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 1: American schools over there, closer school too. I was away,

842
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:53,479
Speaker 1: so I said, let me take a year off, thinking

843
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 1: then one year I could kind of more hard to

844
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 1: the way I want. And the coaching kind of got

845
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 1: happened quick and beyond you to ha happened like quick,

846
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:04,719
Speaker 1: went from this to being assistant, to be the top

847
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 1: assistant to being this and then now you had coaches

848
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 1: or it happened quite But I knew I wanted to

849
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 1: do it when I finished, but not that quick and

850
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 1: not that only so you where you belong back and

851
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 1: seeing all what's going through your mind now been at

852
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 1: joam coaching, I can't mess it up. You know. I

853
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 1: gotta come in here and be who I am. Don't

854
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 1: change who I am because I think who I am

855
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:29,840
Speaker 1: gotta be here today, right um and just and you

856
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:32,839
Speaker 1: just our building understand that, you know, and it's gonna

857
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:35,720
Speaker 1: be easy. But I'm built for it. I'm ready ump

858
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 1: at the time, and I'm know what I'm capable of.

859
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 1: But I'll be ho was you man like this run

860
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:44,760
Speaker 1: we made like this was for all the young coaches

861
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 1: out there, especially after me from coaches, and I'm like,

862
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 1: like I'm I'm for everybody, bro, Like I'm for all coaches,

863
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 1: Like I'm good everybody, but like we could stereotype that

864
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 1: we're just good recruiters, right, that we can't coach. We

865
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:01,399
Speaker 1: can't actually we can't do that. So in my mind,

866
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 1: I'd be hones with you guys when we was making

867
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 1: that run. That's why I made that statement. What they're

868
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:09,359
Speaker 1: gonna say now, because they go there's always something like, oh,

869
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 1: he can't do this or you can't do that. All right,

870
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 1: we beat this team, we beat that team, We did this,

871
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 1: we did that, and to the point of like, all right, man,

872
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 1: what they're gonna say now? You no, Like, what's the

873
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 1: next thing? I can't do? What? So when we're making

874
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 1: that run, I wanted to do it for all the

875
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 1: guys that you know don't get opportunities because of who

876
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 1: they are, because it's color they skin. I want to

877
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 1: make sure, you know, give somebody opportunity and let them

878
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:34,240
Speaker 1: show you what they could do. Somebody gave me opportunity,

879
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 1: and that's why I'm here today. Bro. Everything is about timing,

880
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:43,280
Speaker 1: Everything is about facts, and this happened to be perfect timing.

881
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 1: I know you as a basketball player, and uh, but

882
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:50,399
Speaker 1: who are you off the court. You know, a family man.

883
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:53,720
Speaker 1: You know I got a family, right, Um, A mentor

884
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:56,839
Speaker 1: to these young guys who are coach every single day, right,

885
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:59,760
Speaker 1: a big brother, um, you know, just just just somebody

886
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 1: that trying to do the right thing and just you know,

887
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 1: get back right. Like I don't I don't have a

888
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 1: big circle. You know. I'm I'm a low keybro. You know,

889
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:11,400
Speaker 1: I keep to myself. I got my same dude that

890
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 1: was with me from day one, you feel me, Um,

891
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 1: the same dude that believed in me, and just somebody

892
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:18,800
Speaker 1: that you know, I want to be that person that

893
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:20,879
Speaker 1: there for the next guy who're trying to get around

894
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,839
Speaker 1: where I'm at. You know, like like your platform, right,

895
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 1: like real talk, like the like the platform that that

896
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 1: you guys got, Like it's inspiring, like real talk, because

897
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 1: like you guys are yourself, like y'are not here trying

898
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 1: to be somebody different. And people see that and they

899
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:38,360
Speaker 1: feel that, And I think that's why y'all show was successful,

900
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 1: because dudes are looking at y'all like, Yo, that's me.

901
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 1: I could do that, looking at all those dudes like

902
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 1: they are real. So keep doing what you're doing, bro.

903
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 1: I've been trying to get on the show. Man. I

904
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:50,759
Speaker 1: love what you guys are doing because you're keeping it

905
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 1: real and y'all authentic, don't change. But you know, Bro,

906
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 1: that that's a testament to you as well, because everybody

907
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 1: aim at St. Peter's yet they love to see the

908
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 1: young guys, but you want to us so to see

909
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:08,319
Speaker 1: one of us leading and doing big ship in front

910
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 1: of the whole world. You know what I'm saying. It's

911
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 1: it's the same love back, Bro, It's the same love back, Bro.

912
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 1: Now I appreciate that real talking man, you know, and

913
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 1: you know you know Stacking No, I know your brother,

914
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:21,720
Speaker 1: you know what happened to him. You know, get my condolences.

915
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,239
Speaker 1: We'd talk man in that moment that you made, Bro,

916
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 1: and you you you change the world for real, big

917
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 1: dogs real did you change the world? Man? And that's

918
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 1: why I'm goneping real with you guys on this show. Right.

919
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:36,400
Speaker 1: They wanted us not to wear our shirts in the tournament,

920
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 1: and it's like we were not black like matter shirts

921
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 1: and I got slacked four and were warm and we

922
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 1: and we got a lot of bro real talk. I

923
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 1: got a lot of slack from it. For real, like

924
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:50,359
Speaker 1: companies that did this, we did they want to wear

925
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 1: shirts and the university. I'm like, nah, this is what

926
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 1: we did. I've been winning these churchs for two years.

927
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 1: We ain't changing it because now we're in the Sweet

928
00:45:57,160 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 1: six team. This is this is what we're doing. Bro.

929
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 1: Loot for that. Bro, that's real ship. I love to

930
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 1: hear that. Man man chemistry recruiting. I mean, you're at

931
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:11,279
Speaker 1: Seaton Hall now, it's not St. Pete's. Uh you know,

932
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 1: so what are your your your your strategies and how

933
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 1: has that process been going for you? You know what?

934
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 1: Right now, it's different, Matt, Right, everybody wants so this name,

935
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 1: image and lightness. Everybody want to know about you know,

936
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:25,799
Speaker 1: what can you do for me and my brand? Right?

937
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 1: So nobody care about the school no more. They brand

938
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 1: and guess what, I get it, Bro, I get it.

939
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:34,239
Speaker 1: I'm all for you know, let the kids make their money, right,

940
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 1: but that do it right? Right, That's no time and

941
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 1: place for that. So I'm talking to kids that, you know,

942
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:44,800
Speaker 1: once again fit my personality, Kids that I want to

943
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 1: bring in. Kids that's hungry. Um. I might not get

944
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 1: the five star players, which I'm good with, right, I

945
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:53,239
Speaker 1: get the three star players and make them five stars, right,

946
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 1: because like my work and my individual instruction and things

947
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:58,719
Speaker 1: that I did, you guys realized like I was at

948
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 1: this level before. I was as social head coach for

949
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 1: eight years, so I get it. You know, I've recruited

950
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 1: number one with recruiting classes in the country. So it's

951
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:09,279
Speaker 1: no different. The only different right now is brands are

952
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 1: you just gotta try to get creative with the name,

953
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:14,879
Speaker 1: image and likeness and you know, get god that fit

954
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 1: what you want to do on and off the court.

955
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 1: The difference is too you ain't just play. You ain't

956
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 1: just coaching on the high level. You played at a

957
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 1: high level. Two facts right, Well, hopefully you could have

958
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:27,239
Speaker 1: that that Dion Sanders effect. I mean, because all the

959
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 1: recruits out there, there's not a hotter coach that's gonna

960
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 1: have more eyeballs on him next year something. A lot

961
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:34,880
Speaker 1: of them want a lot of us want you to succeed,

962
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 1: some of them want you to fail. But now that

963
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 1: that's the eyeballs are gonna be on you. So the

964
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 1: all recruits out there, that's where they let I mean,

965
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 1: he got people at Saint Pete's image and likeness and

966
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:47,439
Speaker 1: in getting dollars. You can only imagine what he's gonna

967
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 1: do at a major school. But I like what you said.

968
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 1: It's a time and a place, but you gotta learn

969
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 1: some principles and some values and some morels in the process.

970
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:55,920
Speaker 1: And I think that's what's kind of funked up about

971
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 1: this process now. Although I'm all about everyone getting money

972
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:00,920
Speaker 1: because God knows we need it, but it's just like,

973
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:03,399
Speaker 1: when you have no guidance with that money, that's when

974
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 1: the trouble starts. So come, come, come do your thing

975
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 1: over here. We're gonna learn some ship, You're gonna get

976
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:08,800
Speaker 1: some money, and you can become a better man and

977
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 1: a better basketball player at the same time. So I

978
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:13,799
Speaker 1: like that. That's real though, Bro Matt, that's roal though,

979
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:16,399
Speaker 1: bro like. And that's what most parents don't understand. Right, Yeah,

980
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 1: this is this is good, but it only lasts for

981
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 1: a second, right, Sorry, what's a big goal? Like? So

982
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:25,719
Speaker 1: the so the the bigger picture is not to just

983
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 1: make the NBA, to stay in the NBA, right, and

984
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:30,880
Speaker 1: and that's a blessing within themselves. Okay, So how are

985
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:33,880
Speaker 1: we gonna get there? Don't let three thousand dollars five

986
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 1: thousand dollars change take to the plan. Make sure We've

987
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:40,239
Speaker 1: got a good foundation in place, the right people behind you.

988
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 1: Keep broking because you gotta produce on that. Keep in

989
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 1: mind this is kind of off topic, but when you

990
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 1: guys get your schedule and you have like a big

991
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 1: ESPN game or whatever it is, let us know will

992
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 1: come shoot the show before and kind of get some

993
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:58,719
Speaker 1: more hype around it and shot some with Don next

994
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 1: year too. So man, please, we want to come family

995
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:03,759
Speaker 1: to practice and talk to the boys all that. Bro

996
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:05,919
Speaker 1: let us lets let us come tap in with y'all

997
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 1: your real talk brothers, like like anything that I could

998
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:11,759
Speaker 1: do to help what you guys are doing. Please, we

999
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 1: gotta support you though, we gotta sport. That's why I

1000
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 1: just told all the recruits what I told him. Man,

1001
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 1: this is a whole plan in the process. Man, We're

1002
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:20,360
Speaker 1: with you, We're helping you, We're there with you know.

1003
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 1: I appreciate it, man, I appreciate you know what I mean,

1004
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 1: not you know and offline man, that's you know, that's

1005
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 1: that connected man. And then, like I said, Andy, I

1006
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:30,840
Speaker 1: could do please don't entertate, no doubt, would definitely exchange

1007
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:34,760
Speaker 1: your fault UH current day n b A UH teams

1008
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 1: or players you enjoy watching. I'm a big fan of

1009
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:39,680
Speaker 1: what y'all is doing and what Step is doing out there.

1010
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 1: And I'll be honest you, I'm a huge fan of

1011
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:43,920
Speaker 1: demon letters Like he just I'm the dog man. He

1012
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:46,759
Speaker 1: just he got that thing, you know, man, that I

1013
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 1: that I appreciate. Um. So I kind of going at

1014
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:52,839
Speaker 1: the question man like I don't, I don't. I don't

1015
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 1: have a you know, New York as my team, you know,

1016
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 1: we I'm gonna take with him because I'm not. I

1017
00:49:57,239 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 1: don't jump bandwagons. But I'm just a fan of I'm

1018
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 1: a fan of the sport period. I wish all the kids.

1019
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:06,799
Speaker 1: I wish all the kids took one thing from Greek

1020
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:08,360
Speaker 1: Freak that I was. I just wish all of it

1021
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:11,799
Speaker 1: could take. Is how he appreciates the game of basketball.

1022
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 1: He loves it, man, true, He go out there and

1023
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:19,319
Speaker 1: play every game like it's his last bro. And if

1024
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:21,719
Speaker 1: they pick it up anything from Greek Freak, please pick

1025
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 1: that up from it? Yeah, let me ask you a question. Right,

1026
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 1: you look at the Greek Freak, and you look at Yogurts,

1027
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:31,279
Speaker 1: and you look at old boy in Dallas, like why

1028
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:37,479
Speaker 1: those dudes hunger more than Americans? Okay, because I'm gonna

1029
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:41,239
Speaker 1: say this here. You hey, you that's what's done it

1030
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 1: When these coaches start following kids and flying them to

1031
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:48,759
Speaker 1: different states and paying them, yeah, paying them to to

1032
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:51,880
Speaker 1: to play in one game twenty thousand, all this and

1033
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:54,920
Speaker 1: why in the tenth eleven grade, that messes everything up

1034
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 1: because the hunger is gone now Greek free, Greek Freak

1035
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:01,759
Speaker 1: started playing was started playing basketball two years pace they

1036
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 1: got an the n B A. Don has been playing

1037
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 1: playing a pro since he was fifteen. Six years I've

1038
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,880
Speaker 1: been playing professionally. So the love for the game and

1039
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:13,280
Speaker 1: and and how they care about the game is different.

1040
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:16,239
Speaker 1: You know what. That's real, bro, And that's what so

1041
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:18,840
Speaker 1: we're talking about name imager like that just plays a party.

1042
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:21,840
Speaker 1: Like you said, dudes getting paid at the youngest just

1043
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:26,719
Speaker 1: it's probably they like they don't get it. They don't

1044
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:29,880
Speaker 1: appreciate the journey because we don't have to go through.

1045
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 1: Think about your path to their man, think about your

1046
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:37,640
Speaker 1: patrick man. You know what I'm saying. Like these dudes

1047
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 1: they got they got the overtime joint, they got the

1048
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 1: g leading. Now they got that's giving them a couple

1049
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:48,839
Speaker 1: of dollars. It's like, yo, you're missing that only big picture, bro. Yeah,

1050
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 1: And that's the balance to to with me, because I mean,

1051
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 1: like the perfect word to grind, you know what I mean,

1052
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 1: Like the way I grew up a food stands, drugs abuse,

1053
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 1: this kind of ship. Like my kids will never see that,

1054
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:00,200
Speaker 1: and I'm proud that I've been able to them in

1055
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:03,239
Speaker 1: a position like that. But how do I mentally make

1056
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:06,239
Speaker 1: them understand that it's still gonna be a grind regardless,

1057
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:07,919
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? And that's that thin line

1058
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:09,719
Speaker 1: and unless you have some real people in your ear,

1059
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 1: in your corner humbling you and let you know what

1060
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 1: the big picture is. That's why I feel like these

1061
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:16,840
Speaker 1: kids and it's not it just is what it is.

1062
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 1: But they're pampered, they're softer. Uh, there's less fire because

1063
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 1: they're giving everything before use the best word they saw.

1064
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:29,440
Speaker 1: Think about when we play at you, did you ever

1065
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 1: see parents in the stands? Like did your pars? Not right?

1066
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 1: And that was a real ship too when you said,

1067
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:42,800
Speaker 1: like yo, when you go on these trips and like

1068
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:45,719
Speaker 1: even that McDonald's meal, like yo, like okay, yeah, we're

1069
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 1: really we're gonna eat good on this trip because Coach

1070
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:50,239
Speaker 1: got us like that ship is something that kids will

1071
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 1: never you know, really understand because everything now is just here.

1072
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 1: You go. Hey. But what's different between us three and

1073
00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:01,240
Speaker 1: what our kids have is everything we got is earned,

1074
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:03,920
Speaker 1: not given. And they know that. And you know what

1075
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:06,200
Speaker 1: I'm saying, and and and and that's one thing that

1076
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 1: instead of teaching them, they see it. You know what

1077
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:10,920
Speaker 1: I'm saying, it's proof and of putting with us. We've

1078
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:13,919
Speaker 1: all earned everything and everything we got today even earning

1079
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 1: getting to the NBA, and we earned and nothing wasn't

1080
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:18,400
Speaker 1: given to us. So our kids know that, you know

1081
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Deep we might not think they see it.

1082
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 1: We might and they might not be as tough as

1083
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 1: we want them to be, but deep down inside they

1084
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:26,560
Speaker 1: know everything that we got we earned it. But I

1085
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 1: think about this for a second, Think about a second.

1086
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 1: This I am with my son. I'm sure you guys

1087
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:35,879
Speaker 1: the same way. Because we got what we got, it's

1088
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:39,320
Speaker 1: still not here. You go like I'm my son. I

1089
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 1: put him through it, like bro, like I put him

1090
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 1: through it, Like you want to do this. If you're

1091
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:48,719
Speaker 1: gonna do this, we're doing it. And no playing games

1092
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 1: with it like you ain't. I don't want to do today, Like, no,

1093
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:53,120
Speaker 1: you gott understand, and I take them to a way

1094
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 1: I grow back. So he see it, like he goes

1095
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 1: playing in New York right, because in Jersey he's really good,

1096
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 1: like really good New York trash. It's different, it's different.

1097
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 1: It's different now they're on different levels. So he I'll

1098
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 1: make sure he see that and understanding, like, Yo, these

1099
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 1: are the dudes that you're gonna be playing against that

1100
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:14,920
Speaker 1: you're trying the next level. You don't get it done

1101
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:18,400
Speaker 1: now he's not. Yeah, I love it. I'm gone. My

1102
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:21,280
Speaker 1: boys are thirteen, Like we got the number one thirteen

1103
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:23,279
Speaker 1: youw team in the country. We're bouncing all over the

1104
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:25,279
Speaker 1: place and really put them in the fire, like in

1105
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:27,760
Speaker 1: the MIXX, like let's go, like one of my twins starts,

1106
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:29,360
Speaker 1: one of them does it. I feel like I'd be

1107
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 1: doing them a disservice that this is my team. We

1108
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:32,719
Speaker 1: running all the players, you're gonna play all the minutes.

1109
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:34,799
Speaker 1: I'm that's gonna suck you up when I'm not your coach,

1110
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 1: and it's just gonna be a false and security in life.

1111
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:39,520
Speaker 1: I mean, so we're over here really trying to teach

1112
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:42,200
Speaker 1: life lessons. I think that ship is so important. That

1113
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 1: is real, bro, because I know you can't held that

1114
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 1: home for not starting both of them. So that's real, bro.

1115
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:49,960
Speaker 1: But they but they understand and I tell them why

1116
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:52,439
Speaker 1: you know you got at this point. At this point,

1117
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:55,480
Speaker 1: they they, I'm to my d's little motherfucker's are grown

1118
00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 1: at this point, my nigga, I'm sorry, let me take

1119
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:00,440
Speaker 1: over this point. We're talked about the twins and at

1120
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:07,440
Speaker 1: this point, at this point, they're probably raising him somebody.

1121
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:09,759
Speaker 1: They solid at that age to be so solid. I

1122
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 1: stayed at this house about three or four days, bro,

1123
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:15,759
Speaker 1: and these are the solidest thirteen year olds I've ever

1124
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:18,319
Speaker 1: met my life. Bro. I'll just be teaching them life, man,

1125
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:21,280
Speaker 1: That's what it's about. Like it's it's bigger than basketball.

1126
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:23,480
Speaker 1: Basketball is gonna be a tool that's gonna get you

1127
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 1: wherever you want to go. But I'm just teaching them life,

1128
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:36,839
Speaker 1: teaching the game. It's just fun. Me and Jack kind

1129
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:38,400
Speaker 1: of go back and forth on this. What are your

1130
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:44,560
Speaker 1: thoughts on the playing situation? I don't like it either.

1131
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:46,560
Speaker 1: I don't like it right, I don't like it, no,

1132
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:51,759
Speaker 1: whir because like you played the whole season and I

1133
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:55,480
Speaker 1: dident of it. You have to, you know, think about it, man,

1134
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:59,000
Speaker 1: Like I'm giving somebody a breakdown because I just got money.

1135
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:01,239
Speaker 1: But that's that's part of it, man Like, I mean

1136
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 1: that's not old schools, Like, that's not who we are, Like,

1137
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:05,799
Speaker 1: that's not old school. So that's why I get mad

1138
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:08,759
Speaker 1: when my son go tournament and they don't when they

1139
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:13,240
Speaker 1: get trophies, like, man, get that trophy back, like I'm serious,

1140
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:16,279
Speaker 1: Like it's not okay, like like for real, man, like

1141
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:19,200
Speaker 1: get that trophy back, like you here on that. So

1142
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:21,839
Speaker 1: they like to me to playing, you know, not get

1143
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 1: it because you know you want yeah, you want certain

1144
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:29,920
Speaker 1: in the playoffs, right, Like so let's say if you

1145
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:31,920
Speaker 1: know the Lakers ain't like, you want them in the playoffs, right,

1146
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:35,239
Speaker 1: So you get it, right, But I'm not a big

1147
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:37,480
Speaker 1: fan of it. Take care of your business in the

1148
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:41,960
Speaker 1: regular season and you're being a playoffs. Stop these motherfuckers.

1149
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:44,319
Speaker 1: Stopped letting these motherfucker's rest and not play when they

1150
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:46,440
Speaker 1: don't want to want to play and sit on the

1151
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:48,280
Speaker 1: bench for two or three weeks and say they ankle

1152
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:52,320
Speaker 1: hurt and now now you're in a nine test spot. No,

1153
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:54,720
Speaker 1: take care of your business in them eighty two games.

1154
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:56,840
Speaker 1: And put yourself in a position to be able to

1155
00:56:56,920 --> 00:57:04,640
Speaker 1: play in the postseason. At it, my boy, Hey, I'll

1156
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:07,160
Speaker 1: be tuned in tonight. I'm not mad at it what

1157
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:13,279
Speaker 1: you say, but I mean, it's good entertainment to me.

1158
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:15,160
Speaker 1: It's like, and that's why, you know, it's funny, like

1159
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:17,920
Speaker 1: I'm a purist. I love defense. I mean, that's what

1160
00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:19,680
Speaker 1: kind of player I was. So it's almost like the

1161
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 1: NBA is so far from what it used to be.

1162
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:25,080
Speaker 1: But I'm not someone that's like, man, this is it.

1163
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:27,040
Speaker 1: I just go with the you know, I just go

1164
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:29,440
Speaker 1: with the wave because everything changes, you know. I mean

1165
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:31,240
Speaker 1: that that's what the world is about, you know what

1166
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:33,720
Speaker 1: I mean. And now they're talking about a possible in

1167
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:36,280
Speaker 1: season tournament. What sounds like some crazy ship to me.

1168
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:38,560
Speaker 1: But my whole thing is just like you know what

1169
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:40,960
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's I'd rather I'd rather just go

1170
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:42,520
Speaker 1: with the flow. I got too much real ship to

1171
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:46,640
Speaker 1: worry about that then think about. You know this, it's

1172
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:49,200
Speaker 1: fun to me. It's it's it's entertainment. Man. No that

1173
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:50,680
Speaker 1: Let me ask you guys this because Matt you just

1174
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:53,600
Speaker 1: said it. You said you're pros You're a defensive guy, right,

1175
00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:55,439
Speaker 1: So that's what I preach. That's what my team is about.

1176
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:57,640
Speaker 1: You watches playing right, we can ask it on defense.

1177
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:01,040
Speaker 1: Why people don't appreciate that, bro, because it doesn't get

1178
00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:03,240
Speaker 1: you paid in the in the in the attention and

1179
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:07,880
Speaker 1: all that. But it wins. But you win? Right? But right?

1180
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:10,080
Speaker 1: But what what what did you say earlier? Though? What

1181
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:13,080
Speaker 1: do people want these days? They want name, likeness, image,

1182
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:22,520
Speaker 1: they want attention awards. It's not pretty, but offen win awards,

1183
00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:26,040
Speaker 1: deepenst win championships. Bro, noa no, I'm on that. I'll

1184
00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:28,440
Speaker 1: be on the bion a little. Teams asked about playing defense.

1185
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:30,360
Speaker 1: That's where it all starts. I tell people on my

1186
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 1: team all the time. Kids, you can play defense and

1187
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:34,920
Speaker 1: make a shot. You got a chance play your role

1188
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:39,560
Speaker 1: to the crown your soul. I forgot who's that? Man?

1189
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:42,240
Speaker 1: Do they go? There's a place where you stay in

1190
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:48,000
Speaker 1: your lane? Uh? Finals predictions? Who you have coming out

1191
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:49,760
Speaker 1: of the East, who you have coming out of the West.

1192
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:55,600
Speaker 1: But well, Milwaukee is it's gonna you know the way

1193
00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:57,880
Speaker 1: Milwaukee is going to play now? Man? You know I

1194
00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:01,600
Speaker 1: think that you know data favorites right up Miami. You know,

1195
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:05,000
Speaker 1: if they could get they could get their whole team

1196
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:07,960
Speaker 1: together and Joel a little bit. So I think those

1197
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:12,600
Speaker 1: two teams the West Man. You know, CP is back, right,

1198
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:16,120
Speaker 1: so right right, CP is back. But I'll tell you

1199
00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:19,360
Speaker 1: right there, man, what Memphis is doing? Truth? Like, I

1200
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:22,919
Speaker 1: don't know, right, It's just like like I thought. I thought,

1201
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:24,760
Speaker 1: you know, Yan, I thought the Jazz would be a

1202
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:26,560
Speaker 1: little bit better because their nucleus, right, I thought they

1203
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:29,400
Speaker 1: would just be a little better. Um, they're missing that.

1204
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:33,400
Speaker 1: To me, the Jazz are missing that second consistent game starter.

1205
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:36,600
Speaker 1: They got Donovan Mitchell. He doesn't mean. I mean they're

1206
00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:38,680
Speaker 1: paying that brother a lot of money to be that

1207
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:40,720
Speaker 1: point guard. He should be that joy he can fail.

1208
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:43,240
Speaker 1: He's not. But I'm saying he don't. I like Donovan Mitchell.

1209
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:46,360
Speaker 1: I think he's talented, but he don't make people better.

1210
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:48,560
Speaker 1: And I thought Mike Connley would come over and help

1211
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:51,240
Speaker 1: kind of facilitation it just has it. Oh yeah, that's

1212
00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:54,120
Speaker 1: what you're talking about, Connie. Yeah, but he just hasn't

1213
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:56,720
Speaker 1: really been doing what I thought. Did I knew that

1214
00:59:56,840 --> 00:59:58,280
Speaker 1: should I play with him in Memphis that he did

1215
00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:02,080
Speaker 1: in Memphis, he just star. Then they need a mega star.

1216
01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:04,720
Speaker 1: They need somebody that's gonna go in there tattooed up

1217
01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:07,960
Speaker 1: dunk in every game, screaming after he dunk, Like they

1218
01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:09,720
Speaker 1: need a KG type of guy to come to the

1219
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:12,080
Speaker 1: organization to get them better, because right now, it's just

1220
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:14,960
Speaker 1: it's been due for a long time. But let me

1221
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:17,840
Speaker 1: ask you this, and let me ask you guys this now,

1222
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:20,960
Speaker 1: this is can go and stay sneak up on dudes anymore?

1223
01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:26,280
Speaker 1: They can't hear it. If Steph gets healthy, this is

1224
01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:27,960
Speaker 1: gonna be the first time we saw their core play

1225
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:29,960
Speaker 1: together with two and a half two and a half years.

1226
01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:32,720
Speaker 1: But at the same time, it's stuff like they need

1227
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:34,240
Speaker 1: a lot of time because they know each other like

1228
01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:35,920
Speaker 1: the back of their hands, you know what I mean.

1229
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:38,760
Speaker 1: It's just like it's that they've been there, and to me,

1230
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:41,040
Speaker 1: they reloaded with young dodg Jordan Pool is an up

1231
01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:43,520
Speaker 1: and coming star finga. You know, he went to the

1232
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:47,800
Speaker 1: same high school. He's gonna be a problem. Play their Yeah, dudes,

1233
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:55,200
Speaker 1: play their role so that as your man if he's healthy.

1234
01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:58,040
Speaker 1: The glue Yeah, they got shot because you know, you know,

1235
01:00:58,080 --> 01:01:01,120
Speaker 1: you don't know what Curry's gonna do the glues, the

1236
01:01:01,160 --> 01:01:03,600
Speaker 1: glues healthy, Yeah, I think the I think they got

1237
01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:05,360
Speaker 1: a shot but we've been saying, I don't know. I

1238
01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:07,680
Speaker 1: don't know if I could take those guys off. They're

1239
01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:11,640
Speaker 1: just playing at they right now, just at a different level,

1240
01:01:11,880 --> 01:01:14,160
Speaker 1: different level. I'm interested to see. And I've been talking

1241
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:17,560
Speaker 1: about us in ESPN all last week. Is I love

1242
01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:19,640
Speaker 1: what Memphis has been doing. But when the lights come on,

1243
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:21,880
Speaker 1: are these young players gonna play like they play like

1244
01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:24,720
Speaker 1: your team? Similar situation like when when the lights came on,

1245
01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:28,720
Speaker 1: normally smaller schools fall, You guys played in them lights

1246
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:30,760
Speaker 1: like you belong there. So I want to I think

1247
01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:34,200
Speaker 1: Memphis can do that. I just gotta see it. Can

1248
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:37,240
Speaker 1: Miamie do it? I don't believe in Miami for some reason,

1249
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:39,800
Speaker 1: I just don't believe in Miami. I don't believe in Miami.

1250
01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:42,000
Speaker 1: I don't believe in you talk, two solid teams that

1251
01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:44,160
Speaker 1: play the right way are always at the top, you know,

1252
01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:47,640
Speaker 1: normally outside of Utah this year, but I just don't

1253
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:50,720
Speaker 1: believe in them for some reason. No, that's that's real.

1254
01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:54,520
Speaker 1: Sex is over for the sexes. James Harden gotta have

1255
01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:56,960
Speaker 1: a run right here, boy, Yeah, yeah, I don't think

1256
01:01:56,960 --> 01:02:05,280
Speaker 1: it's around. That's it. I gotta I'm honored to ask

1257
01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:09,320
Speaker 1: you this question because you're real New York. I'm talking

1258
01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:13,320
Speaker 1: about real New York. One album from an nyc rapper

1259
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:16,800
Speaker 1: that you would listen to. No skips, don't repeat. M hmm.

1260
01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:23,560
Speaker 1: Come on, man, see see stack. No no, no, because

1261
01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:26,000
Speaker 1: it's a few right, because you gotta go back right,

1262
01:02:26,040 --> 01:02:28,160
Speaker 1: because I'm like, I'm I'm old school right this this

1263
01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:31,440
Speaker 1: this new school stuff is trash, right, So yeah, right, no,

1264
01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:33,480
Speaker 1: so so you gotta go back right. So now you

1265
01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:37,640
Speaker 1: listen to Biggie first joint, right, that's classic, right, It's

1266
01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:41,240
Speaker 1: like classic classic marb Deep don't get a lot of

1267
01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:43,600
Speaker 1: I was waiting for that. I was waiting for the

1268
01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:45,520
Speaker 1: mob deep. You know, I was waiting for that. You

1269
01:02:45,560 --> 01:02:49,120
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. The mob don't get it, like

1270
01:02:49,360 --> 01:02:51,320
Speaker 1: the mom don't get it like they're supposed to. But

1271
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:53,120
Speaker 1: I gotta go back to my brother though, man, like

1272
01:02:53,600 --> 01:02:55,680
Speaker 1: amatic for a joint? I don't. I don't keep no

1273
01:02:55,800 --> 01:03:00,600
Speaker 1: shi nahs, Yes, sir, aomatic. That's a that's the halbum.

1274
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:02,920
Speaker 1: You know. That's like I always kept no songs on there,

1275
01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:06,120
Speaker 1: like like it's only ten joints. You just play it

1276
01:03:06,160 --> 01:03:10,200
Speaker 1: through the reasonable. That was tough, Yeah, it was it

1277
01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:13,000
Speaker 1: was right, but like you don't appreciate reason done to

1278
01:03:13,120 --> 01:03:16,120
Speaker 1: like now, we appreciate when you first standing what you have,

1279
01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:18,360
Speaker 1: an understanding what you are. I feel that I mean,

1280
01:03:18,360 --> 01:03:20,360
Speaker 1: and then you look twenty years later and he's doing it.

1281
01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:23,959
Speaker 1: He's doing that consistently. Man, he's I mean, j Jay's

1282
01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:28,320
Speaker 1: a gold man because he Jacob picks him now today

1283
01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:30,840
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh wow, I mean like he still

1284
01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:36,880
Speaker 1: got it greatness, Uh, including yourself, you plus four build

1285
01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:43,240
Speaker 1: an all time New York starting five. Really yeah, You're

1286
01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:45,520
Speaker 1: the point guard, so that eliminates all the other points.

1287
01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:46,920
Speaker 1: You can actually could put it at the point guard

1288
01:03:46,960 --> 01:03:49,120
Speaker 1: at the two if you want this your team. Well,

1289
01:03:49,400 --> 01:03:51,840
Speaker 1: I always gonna put my brother down because no, that's

1290
01:03:51,880 --> 01:03:54,680
Speaker 1: my brother sold so me and skipping the backcourt. No,

1291
01:03:55,880 --> 01:03:59,000
Speaker 1: all right, um, Like I'm gonna get crucified a little bit,

1292
01:03:59,120 --> 01:04:00,880
Speaker 1: right because when you told New York City who you

1293
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:04,600
Speaker 1: gotta talk, Pearl Washington or Kenyanson. But I'm going with

1294
01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:06,680
Speaker 1: I'm going with a young flavor. So I'm gonna with

1295
01:04:06,800 --> 01:04:12,120
Speaker 1: me and ski all right? Oh ma, you know this

1296
01:04:12,240 --> 01:04:13,760
Speaker 1: is one that we're gonna make a graphic of this,

1297
01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:17,760
Speaker 1: you know, you like we know the Goat was from Brooklyn,

1298
01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:23,080
Speaker 1: right right, So you know Mike is from Brooklyn, right right, right,

1299
01:04:23,400 --> 01:04:25,680
Speaker 1: right right, So so I gotta pay Mike on there,

1300
01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:28,720
Speaker 1: right right. So you know Shock is from are you

1301
01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:30,600
Speaker 1: saying New York? Okay? So so Shock is from Jersey.

1302
01:04:30,640 --> 01:04:34,200
Speaker 1: I can't do Jersey, all right. So so you know

1303
01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:38,040
Speaker 1: Kareem is from the city too, right right, So that's

1304
01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:39,960
Speaker 1: the center, you know what I mean. So I'm not

1305
01:04:40,040 --> 01:04:42,240
Speaker 1: trying to make sure I get how much to the

1306
01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:48,360
Speaker 1: to the you know, the the legends and my wing's

1307
01:04:48,360 --> 01:04:51,440
Speaker 1: gonna mess you up. Man. Best score I ever seen

1308
01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:58,800
Speaker 1: in my life. Man. But but nowr King Brost the

1309
01:04:58,960 --> 01:05:03,720
Speaker 1: best small forward scorer I've seen. That's just me. Let

1310
01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:06,760
Speaker 1: me ask you a question about this one guy, the

1311
01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:12,240
Speaker 1: Black Widow. Oh he could have played in the league,

1312
01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:16,840
Speaker 1: bro who to it was tough comes, O'm my mad

1313
01:05:16,920 --> 01:05:22,520
Speaker 1: he he our size. I'm very familiar. I'm a big

1314
01:05:22,600 --> 01:05:25,240
Speaker 1: fan of Hill, big fan, bro. And let me ask

1315
01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:27,960
Speaker 1: a question. Can I get two teams because I got

1316
01:05:28,920 --> 01:05:35,040
Speaker 1: another teams? No, No, I'm done. Pick a team to

1317
01:05:35,120 --> 01:05:37,200
Speaker 1: go against them, pick a team to go against them

1318
01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:41,720
Speaker 1: against y'all all right, So I'm gonna in the backcourt.

1319
01:05:41,920 --> 01:05:44,160
Speaker 1: You know it's my brother man called us David Woods

1320
01:05:44,160 --> 01:05:47,520
Speaker 1: and Kenny Anderson, sir Um. You know, I gotta pick

1321
01:05:48,160 --> 01:05:52,320
Speaker 1: Dr J and just small forward because he just him

1322
01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:57,640
Speaker 1: him him going at m J. Dr Doc. You know

1323
01:05:57,640 --> 01:06:00,440
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, doctor the doctor. You know what I mean?

1324
01:06:01,200 --> 01:06:02,960
Speaker 1: I know my brother matter piece is gonna get get

1325
01:06:03,040 --> 01:06:04,880
Speaker 1: mad at me, wrong man, because you know he's you know,

1326
01:06:05,080 --> 01:06:11,320
Speaker 1: that's my brother warrior, my brother. You guys can men

1327
01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:14,560
Speaker 1: tough about right now? So many tools, so many you

1328
01:06:14,680 --> 01:06:18,480
Speaker 1: write about that just like she's like, I'm trying to

1329
01:06:18,480 --> 01:06:21,320
Speaker 1: figure out who this center is gonna be, but I

1330
01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:24,160
Speaker 1: don't even know about Yea, I know y'all number guards

1331
01:06:24,200 --> 01:06:29,240
Speaker 1: out there. You know what I mean, what it's going

1332
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:31,080
Speaker 1: to be. You know what I just think with my

1333
01:06:31,200 --> 01:06:33,360
Speaker 1: first group man, and I just you know, I know,

1334
01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:36,120
Speaker 1: I know people hit me up, but come on, it's

1335
01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:38,960
Speaker 1: kareem My dud with you'rbar and Michael Jordan. Come on, yeah,

1336
01:06:39,040 --> 01:06:40,960
Speaker 1: come on, that's crazy. Come on man, really, you know

1337
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:42,480
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like, what were we talking about right now?

1338
01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:45,240
Speaker 1: You know what? What what are we really talking about?

1339
01:06:45,280 --> 01:06:48,720
Speaker 1: Just with dose two dudes along? What were we talking about? Nothing? Okay?

1340
01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:52,440
Speaker 1: I'm gonna change this last one since you're authentic New

1341
01:06:52,520 --> 01:06:55,000
Speaker 1: York and we already really spoke on that top five

1342
01:06:55,200 --> 01:06:59,840
Speaker 1: m seas in your opinion from New York. Oh oh right,

1343
01:07:00,080 --> 01:07:05,920
Speaker 1: so you got big nas Jay. What you're gonna do

1344
01:07:06,040 --> 01:07:08,560
Speaker 1: with that? You gotta obviously what he did, you gotta

1345
01:07:08,600 --> 01:07:16,880
Speaker 1: throw Frith and now all right that man. See I'm biased, right,

1346
01:07:17,080 --> 01:07:20,560
Speaker 1: I'm biased because I like that, But he's from my hood, bro,

1347
01:07:21,120 --> 01:07:22,920
Speaker 1: So I got through my I gotta go throw my

1348
01:07:23,200 --> 01:07:25,480
Speaker 1: from my hood. You know he you know, he had

1349
01:07:25,520 --> 01:07:28,160
Speaker 1: a great run. He had a good tenure run. You know,

1350
01:07:28,240 --> 01:07:30,400
Speaker 1: I gotta throw John there. Yeah, yeah, you're probably gonna

1351
01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:34,240
Speaker 1: do nah to me. John Rule was ahead of his time.

1352
01:07:34,320 --> 01:07:36,240
Speaker 1: He was rapping as you know what John Roll would

1353
01:07:36,240 --> 01:07:38,720
Speaker 1: do today with rapping and singing the hits he was

1354
01:07:38,800 --> 01:07:41,880
Speaker 1: making that, you know what I mean? He from my hood.

1355
01:07:41,960 --> 01:07:48,440
Speaker 1: So I got through in that. He changed the game around, right,

1356
01:07:48,520 --> 01:07:50,800
Speaker 1: think about nobody's what he's doing the R and B ship.

1357
01:07:50,840 --> 01:07:53,160
Speaker 1: Like he was telling someone I was arguing with someone

1358
01:07:53,240 --> 01:07:55,600
Speaker 1: like two weeks ago about how cold he would be

1359
01:07:55,760 --> 01:07:58,640
Speaker 1: right now. He was just before his time, would be

1360
01:07:58,840 --> 01:08:01,919
Speaker 1: killing it right now. Yeah, So I'm going with those five.

1361
01:08:02,200 --> 01:08:05,160
Speaker 1: I'm not at that top five coaches of all time

1362
01:08:05,600 --> 01:08:08,520
Speaker 1: in your opinion, and what sport? All the sports are

1363
01:08:08,560 --> 01:08:16,439
Speaker 1: just basketball period mm hmm. Top five coaches all time.

1364
01:08:17,320 --> 01:08:19,240
Speaker 1: It's like I got a lot of respect, Like like

1365
01:08:19,280 --> 01:08:21,760
Speaker 1: I got a lot of respect for you know, what

1366
01:08:21,920 --> 01:08:24,560
Speaker 1: part Rally did? Mm hmm. I got a lot of

1367
01:08:24,560 --> 01:08:27,960
Speaker 1: spect for for what pet Rally did? You know? Yeah,

1368
01:08:28,280 --> 01:08:29,519
Speaker 1: you know, I got a lot of respect for Lenny.

1369
01:08:29,560 --> 01:08:32,840
Speaker 1: What Lenny Whippers did. Yeah, you know, I think he

1370
01:08:32,880 --> 01:08:33,840
Speaker 1: did it for us, you know what I mean. I

1371
01:08:33,880 --> 01:08:37,040
Speaker 1: got a lot of spect for Lenny Um. You know

1372
01:08:37,640 --> 01:08:40,160
Speaker 1: on the football side, you know, I know people gett

1373
01:08:40,240 --> 01:08:44,360
Speaker 1: give them help. But what good Belichick did? No questions,

1374
01:08:45,120 --> 01:08:46,760
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like just like what are

1375
01:08:46,800 --> 01:08:49,160
Speaker 1: we talking about? You feel me? We really talking about?

1376
01:08:50,200 --> 01:08:55,160
Speaker 1: Like growing up? No? You like like like I'm just

1377
01:08:55,400 --> 01:08:57,560
Speaker 1: like I'm a basketball dude, fellas, Like just so you know,

1378
01:08:57,680 --> 01:09:00,479
Speaker 1: like I'm a basketball dude. Like what Chuck Dell he

1379
01:09:00,520 --> 01:09:05,120
Speaker 1: did with those those bad boys, Like like I read

1380
01:09:05,160 --> 01:09:08,160
Speaker 1: his books, like my team had that same mentality that

1381
01:09:08,439 --> 01:09:11,200
Speaker 1: he had. So I'll rock with Chuck man, like I

1382
01:09:11,280 --> 01:09:13,479
Speaker 1: know a lot of people I rocked with him, man,

1383
01:09:14,920 --> 01:09:17,840
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? You know what I mean?

1384
01:09:17,880 --> 01:09:19,560
Speaker 1: And just wait, just what he did, you know for

1385
01:09:19,600 --> 01:09:22,000
Speaker 1: those guys and Detroit At that time, I thought it

1386
01:09:22,040 --> 01:09:27,639
Speaker 1: was just amazing, you know, And like I like Dusty

1387
01:09:27,680 --> 01:09:32,800
Speaker 1: Baker Fellers, Dusty, go ahead, he went to my high school.

1388
01:09:32,840 --> 01:09:34,560
Speaker 1: He went to my high school. I broke all his

1389
01:09:34,640 --> 01:09:40,320
Speaker 1: records in high school. He's a legend. Yeah, you know

1390
01:09:40,360 --> 01:09:42,680
Speaker 1: what I mean, Just like I like, I like when

1391
01:09:42,720 --> 01:09:44,720
Speaker 1: dude stand for something. Bro, he was just kids pick

1392
01:09:44,760 --> 01:09:46,880
Speaker 1: his mind. You know. He did things the way he

1393
01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:49,200
Speaker 1: wanted to do. And I think everybody who I name

1394
01:09:49,800 --> 01:09:55,880
Speaker 1: did things their way. It's important, it's important. Shout out Dusty.

1395
01:09:56,120 --> 01:09:59,000
Speaker 1: I love that Del Campo High School. You know, like

1396
01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:01,840
Speaker 1: like know I say that name and some people probably

1397
01:10:01,840 --> 01:10:02,920
Speaker 1: don't even know who does he is? You know what

1398
01:10:02,960 --> 01:10:07,320
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Ship, If you could pick one guest for

1399
01:10:07,400 --> 01:10:09,680
Speaker 1: us to have on All the Smoke, who would it be?

1400
01:10:10,160 --> 01:10:13,280
Speaker 1: But before you answer this question, you have to help

1401
01:10:13,439 --> 01:10:19,400
Speaker 1: us get your answer on the show. Bam. So if

1402
01:10:19,439 --> 01:10:22,040
Speaker 1: I had one guest that I want to try to

1403
01:10:22,080 --> 01:10:24,840
Speaker 1: have on the show, and what was the second part,

1404
01:10:25,840 --> 01:10:28,080
Speaker 1: and you got to help us get your answer on

1405
01:10:28,200 --> 01:10:31,640
Speaker 1: our show. So it's gotta be someone, you know, so

1406
01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:35,560
Speaker 1: I know you just gotta hit whatever you say. You

1407
01:10:35,680 --> 01:10:37,720
Speaker 1: just gotta help us, get us get up. I don't

1408
01:10:37,720 --> 01:10:39,559
Speaker 1: have to be somebody, you know what I mean? Most

1409
01:10:39,640 --> 01:10:41,240
Speaker 1: likely it's gonna have to be some when you know,

1410
01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:43,720
Speaker 1: right right, I look at I look at your show man.

1411
01:10:43,880 --> 01:10:46,240
Speaker 1: I mean, y'all dudes had dudes on it. That's the

1412
01:10:46,280 --> 01:10:48,560
Speaker 1: real dude. That dude that I look up to. You

1413
01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:53,000
Speaker 1: feel me? But you guys, hey, you're from Queens. We

1414
01:10:53,160 --> 01:10:57,360
Speaker 1: just talked about it. You can get in touch with him,

1415
01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:06,280
Speaker 1: amatic man, Let's do it. You know that's getting as

1416
01:11:06,320 --> 01:11:10,160
Speaker 1: on the show. Bro. Yeah, I know some people that

1417
01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:14,080
Speaker 1: that you know that. Yeah, just a my contact. I

1418
01:11:14,120 --> 01:11:16,880
Speaker 1: lost Jungle's number. So if Jungle happened to see this,

1419
01:11:17,000 --> 01:11:19,320
Speaker 1: Jungle we need bro. I've seen him at restaurant not

1420
01:11:19,400 --> 01:11:20,880
Speaker 1: too long ago, but I don't want to ask him.

1421
01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:23,920
Speaker 1: Wrong time, wrong place. But you know what do you so?

1422
01:11:24,080 --> 01:11:27,600
Speaker 1: My brother Randy, So, my brother Randy Echo him and

1423
01:11:27,640 --> 01:11:30,920
Speaker 1: him and Clue is his partners. No clues to type

1424
01:11:30,920 --> 01:11:33,639
Speaker 1: what you know? What? What? No? So let me want

1425
01:11:33,680 --> 01:11:37,840
Speaker 1: that I need that. Yes, definitely shout out clue. We

1426
01:11:37,920 --> 01:11:41,439
Speaker 1: need should we need clue to my clue. We need clue. Man,

1427
01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:45,479
Speaker 1: We appreciate your time. I want to shout out your St.

1428
01:11:45,520 --> 01:11:47,800
Speaker 1: Pete crew. If you guys happen to see this, man,

1429
01:11:47,880 --> 01:11:50,240
Speaker 1: you you made all of us proud. Happy for y'all boys. Man,

1430
01:11:50,360 --> 01:11:52,560
Speaker 1: Best of luck moving forward, not only in basketball but

1431
01:11:52,720 --> 01:11:56,519
Speaker 1: life to the new uh new Seaton Hall fellas, man,

1432
01:11:56,640 --> 01:11:58,600
Speaker 1: best of luck. We're rooting for y'all. We're gonna come

1433
01:11:58,680 --> 01:12:01,960
Speaker 1: funk with y'all, recruit shots, all the other ship you

1434
01:12:02,040 --> 01:12:07,760
Speaker 1: want to have. You're gonna be seen over here. Player. Man,

1435
01:12:07,960 --> 01:12:11,960
Speaker 1: you know real told fellows like this was like and

1436
01:12:12,040 --> 01:12:14,479
Speaker 1: this ain't seen all ain't death. Bro. But if you

1437
01:12:14,520 --> 01:12:17,479
Speaker 1: want to play for a coach that no basketball, that

1438
01:12:17,680 --> 01:12:21,360
Speaker 1: played the game and then say they trying to live

1439
01:12:21,400 --> 01:12:25,240
Speaker 1: their hoop dreams, do you coming? Let's do it? Bro,

1440
01:12:26,200 --> 01:12:28,760
Speaker 1: that's doing you know what? You can't put this better

1441
01:12:28,840 --> 01:12:30,960
Speaker 1: man like you No, it's and brother for real, like

1442
01:12:31,840 --> 01:12:34,240
Speaker 1: like I'm being honest with you guys, man, like I

1443
01:12:34,439 --> 01:12:37,400
Speaker 1: fuss with you guys man like you guys are what

1444
01:12:37,560 --> 01:12:41,280
Speaker 1: the coach you need? You know what's real, y'all. Keep authentic, y'all,

1445
01:12:41,360 --> 01:12:43,519
Speaker 1: keep it real, y'all, speak on your mind. You speak

1446
01:12:43,760 --> 01:12:46,439
Speaker 1: on topics that people aren't comfortable speaking on. You know

1447
01:12:46,479 --> 01:12:49,040
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, And that's what I think that we need. Man.

1448
01:12:49,080 --> 01:12:50,400
Speaker 1: So thank you guys for having me on. Man. When

1449
01:12:50,400 --> 01:12:52,120
Speaker 1: they told me about it, I said, I gotta do

1450
01:12:52,160 --> 01:12:54,360
Speaker 1: it man, like you're kidding me, Like I gotta do it, man.

1451
01:12:54,439 --> 01:12:56,400
Speaker 1: So thank you guys so much. And if you guys

1452
01:12:56,479 --> 01:12:59,200
Speaker 1: on mind, like my son like he's killing me right now.

1453
01:12:59,320 --> 01:13:04,120
Speaker 1: He just wanted I gotta say him in bro, and

1454
01:13:04,240 --> 01:13:05,760
Speaker 1: your mom was hopping to tell him to hopping the

1455
01:13:05,800 --> 01:13:08,719
Speaker 1: camera mat check out Mac. He got here like you Mac,

1456
01:13:11,000 --> 01:13:15,400
Speaker 1: you know, tell us it's so hand so well man,

1457
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Speaker 1: this one young son, Exavier, what's up? What''s up? All right?

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Speaker 1: He was killing me, Man said, don't be like, come

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Speaker 1: on down, let me get on, let me get all

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Speaker 1: of me. You have responsibility like us, light skinned boys,

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01:13:30,439 --> 01:13:33,120
Speaker 1: we gotta we gotta get. It's hard on us because

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01:13:33,160 --> 01:13:35,280
Speaker 1: of that hair and our complexion. People are gonna be

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Speaker 1: trying to you know, I mean messing now on the

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Speaker 1: girls though, bro, Hey Shanty had that good hair in

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01:13:42,760 --> 01:13:48,439
Speaker 1: high school. Tell him shot she had to. I used

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Speaker 1: to have it, bros. To have got you got you

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01:13:50,400 --> 01:13:54,280
Speaker 1: got some Dominican in you what you got? No I

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01:13:54,640 --> 01:13:58,920
Speaker 1: juices and berries? Bro? He did hey? Did you? Hey?

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01:13:59,000 --> 01:14:01,160
Speaker 1: The juices and berries? He ain't got no here today?

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Speaker 1: Fact your fellows, No talk man, Thank you guys, man,

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Speaker 1: appreciate man, Thank you man. Another episode. Thank our special guest,

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Speaker 1: Shea Holloway. Best of luck to you. Bro. You can

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Speaker 1: catch us on Showtime Basketball, YouTube or the I heart

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Speaker 1: platform Black Effects. We'll see you all next week. Base