1 00:00:08,245 --> 00:00:20,965 Speaker 1: School of Humans. I get a lot of emails about 2 00:00:20,965 --> 00:00:24,645 Speaker 1: cold cases all the time, and I always google it 3 00:00:24,685 --> 00:00:26,045 Speaker 1: and kind of look and see if it would be 4 00:00:26,085 --> 00:00:29,925 Speaker 1: something that, you know, maybe we could help with. And 5 00:00:31,885 --> 00:00:35,445 Speaker 1: this one first, I was kind of struck by the 6 00:00:35,485 --> 00:00:39,045 Speaker 1: fact it's another girl, it's another situation where there are 7 00:00:39,085 --> 00:00:43,765 Speaker 1: a lot of suspects, potential suspects. Usually when I look, 8 00:00:43,885 --> 00:00:46,005 Speaker 1: you know, doing a lot of true crime stuff. And 9 00:00:46,085 --> 00:00:47,445 Speaker 1: usually when I look at a story, I can tell 10 00:00:47,485 --> 00:00:50,245 Speaker 1: in the first five minutes will probably happened. But this 11 00:00:50,285 --> 00:00:59,325 Speaker 1: one's really strange. As I drive the long and winding 12 00:00:59,405 --> 00:01:03,205 Speaker 1: roads into the Ozarks, I think about a conversation I 13 00:01:03,285 --> 00:01:07,165 Speaker 1: had in a high school physics class. The teacher was 14 00:01:07,205 --> 00:01:11,125 Speaker 1: talking about time travel. Where would we go? He asked 15 00:01:11,445 --> 00:01:15,325 Speaker 1: if we could be instantly transported to any point in history. 16 00:01:16,005 --> 00:01:18,125 Speaker 1: Some people said they would pop back to see a 17 00:01:18,165 --> 00:01:22,485 Speaker 1: dinosaur or visit Jesus, But the response that stopped everyone 18 00:01:22,605 --> 00:01:26,485 Speaker 1: cold was from the quiet kid in the back. I 19 00:01:26,485 --> 00:01:28,805 Speaker 1: would go back to the day my mom was murdered, 20 00:01:28,845 --> 00:01:31,725 Speaker 1: he said, so I could be there and stop it. 21 00:01:32,405 --> 00:01:34,845 Speaker 1: And if I couldn't stop it, at least I could 22 00:01:34,845 --> 00:01:42,085 Speaker 1: see who did it. Investigating a cold case murder is 23 00:01:42,125 --> 00:01:44,685 Speaker 1: the closest thing I will ever get to time travel. 24 00:01:46,925 --> 00:01:51,085 Speaker 1: A lot has happened since last season. After spending months 25 00:01:51,125 --> 00:01:54,045 Speaker 1: in the Ozarks, I went back to New York City 26 00:01:54,085 --> 00:01:56,845 Speaker 1: for my job, and I tried to get on with 27 00:01:56,925 --> 00:02:02,205 Speaker 1: my life. But wherever I am interviewing an FBI profiler, 28 00:02:02,525 --> 00:02:06,045 Speaker 1: riding the subway, and drinking beers with a date, A 29 00:02:06,085 --> 00:02:10,125 Speaker 1: big part of my brain is stuck replaying September twentieth, 30 00:02:10,165 --> 00:02:14,285 Speaker 1: two thousand and four, the day Rebecca Gould was murdered. 31 00:02:16,765 --> 00:02:20,605 Speaker 1: Six months after our last season wrapped, I'm back in Arkansas. 32 00:02:22,085 --> 00:02:25,605 Speaker 1: Like I said back then, when we started Rebecca's case, 33 00:02:26,205 --> 00:02:28,605 Speaker 1: we thought we knew who the good guys were and 34 00:02:28,645 --> 00:02:32,965 Speaker 1: who the bad guys were. But now I'm not so sure. 35 00:02:34,005 --> 00:02:36,725 Speaker 1: We have given all kinds of information to the police, 36 00:02:37,405 --> 00:02:42,125 Speaker 1: piles of documents and letters, uncut audio clips, as our 37 00:02:42,165 --> 00:02:46,325 Speaker 1: intention has always been to help the investigation, and yet 38 00:02:46,525 --> 00:02:49,165 Speaker 1: in many ways, the investigation feels just as still as 39 00:02:49,165 --> 00:02:54,365 Speaker 1: it was before. For now it's a waiting game. But 40 00:02:54,525 --> 00:02:59,765 Speaker 1: patience has never been my strong suit. Since the end 41 00:02:59,765 --> 00:03:03,765 Speaker 1: of season one, I've received hundreds of messages about other 42 00:03:03,885 --> 00:03:07,605 Speaker 1: unsolved cases in Arkansas. People reach out at all hours 43 00:03:07,605 --> 00:03:11,365 Speaker 1: of the night on social media. I had no idea. 44 00:03:11,485 --> 00:03:13,805 Speaker 1: There were so many unsolved murders and so many people 45 00:03:13,805 --> 00:03:18,325 Speaker 1: who needed help. Then one night I get a Facebook 46 00:03:18,325 --> 00:03:20,725 Speaker 1: message that says I should look into the mysterious death 47 00:03:20,765 --> 00:03:26,285 Speaker 1: of Olivia Jane Ward. It started on September ninth, nineteen 48 00:03:26,325 --> 00:03:29,845 Speaker 1: eighty nine, sixteen year old Janey headed out to a 49 00:03:29,885 --> 00:03:33,725 Speaker 1: cabin in the woods outside the tiny town of Marshall, Arkansas. 50 00:03:34,565 --> 00:03:39,165 Speaker 1: It was just another weekend, another high school party, But 51 00:03:39,245 --> 00:03:43,965 Speaker 1: a few hours later, Janie was dead. The story goes 52 00:03:44,005 --> 00:03:47,525 Speaker 1: that she died from falling off a porch, a porch 53 00:03:47,605 --> 00:03:51,325 Speaker 1: that was no more than ten inches tall. As Jane 54 00:03:51,485 --> 00:03:55,285 Speaker 1: lay there, dead or dying, her friends made the decision 55 00:03:55,485 --> 00:03:57,365 Speaker 1: to load her into the back of a pickup truck 56 00:03:57,685 --> 00:04:00,405 Speaker 1: and drive her to the middle of town. They ended 57 00:04:00,485 --> 00:04:04,005 Speaker 1: up at the bank parking lot. One of the paramedics 58 00:04:04,045 --> 00:04:07,205 Speaker 1: to examine Jane noticed that she was wet and covered 59 00:04:07,205 --> 00:04:11,765 Speaker 1: in debris. The paramedic immediately concluded that she believed this 60 00:04:11,845 --> 00:04:16,085 Speaker 1: was a suspicious death. In the thirty years since she died, 61 00:04:16,765 --> 00:04:20,005 Speaker 1: her body has been exhumed twice. There have been three 62 00:04:20,085 --> 00:04:25,445 Speaker 1: different autopsies conducted by three separate people and several investigations, 63 00:04:25,485 --> 00:04:29,645 Speaker 1: both by police and by private detectives, but no one 64 00:04:29,685 --> 00:04:33,165 Speaker 1: has been able to explain the inconsistencies, and no one 65 00:04:33,205 --> 00:04:39,445 Speaker 1: can answer the question what or who killed Jane Ward? 66 00:04:40,045 --> 00:04:43,125 Speaker 1: Was it an accident or could it have been murder. 67 00:04:44,445 --> 00:04:47,205 Speaker 1: On a recent trip back to Arkansas to visit my dad, 68 00:04:47,805 --> 00:04:51,085 Speaker 1: I saw a huge black pickup truck drive by. On 69 00:04:51,205 --> 00:04:55,005 Speaker 1: the back I saw a faded bumper sticker. It read 70 00:04:55,205 --> 00:04:59,845 Speaker 1: Justice for Jane. It hit a nerve with me because 71 00:04:59,845 --> 00:05:03,845 Speaker 1: I've been waiting for justice for Rebecca. I'm going to 72 00:05:03,885 --> 00:05:06,565 Speaker 1: see if I can figure out what happened to to Janey. 73 00:05:07,285 --> 00:05:10,205 Speaker 1: So once again we have to go back in time, 74 00:05:11,685 --> 00:05:15,405 Speaker 1: but this time we're going back to September ninth, nineteen 75 00:05:15,445 --> 00:05:20,205 Speaker 1: eighty nine, the night Jane died. I'm Catherine Townsend and 76 00:05:20,245 --> 00:05:55,885 Speaker 1: this is Helen Gone. So we're right off the main 77 00:05:56,365 --> 00:05:59,485 Speaker 1: highway in Marshall. Marshall is a small town with a 78 00:05:59,525 --> 00:06:03,205 Speaker 1: population of about thirteen hundred, half the size of Mountain View, 79 00:06:03,245 --> 00:06:06,205 Speaker 1: where we spent last season. We're next to Kathy's flea market, 80 00:06:06,645 --> 00:06:11,085 Speaker 1: which has knives and tools and lots of knick knacks. 81 00:06:11,125 --> 00:06:15,645 Speaker 1: The main drage two lane Highway sixty five is lined 82 00:06:15,645 --> 00:06:20,765 Speaker 1: with flea markets, a few churches, and sonic At one 83 00:06:20,805 --> 00:06:24,805 Speaker 1: intersection is the business district. There's the Daisy Queen, an 84 00:06:24,805 --> 00:06:27,565 Speaker 1: old school burger joint that's been serving up fried Twinkie 85 00:06:27,605 --> 00:06:31,445 Speaker 1: Sundays to locals since nineteen sixty six. Just past Harp's 86 00:06:31,445 --> 00:06:36,405 Speaker 1: grocery store, a road veers off toward the woods. This 87 00:06:36,605 --> 00:06:38,965 Speaker 1: is the route that Janie took toward the party on 88 00:06:39,125 --> 00:06:42,565 Speaker 1: Zach Road on the last night of her life. I'm 89 00:06:42,645 --> 00:06:46,085 Speaker 1: riding with Gabby, one of our producers. Head north on 90 00:06:46,165 --> 00:06:49,325 Speaker 1: Spring Street, then turn left onto East Main Street. We 91 00:06:49,365 --> 00:06:52,205 Speaker 1: don't have time to see the site for thirty nine miles. Yeah, 92 00:06:52,445 --> 00:06:55,445 Speaker 1: continue street, it's easy, right, Yeah, here's We're headed north 93 00:06:55,485 --> 00:06:58,885 Speaker 1: to meet with our first contact, Mike Masterson. I guess 94 00:06:58,885 --> 00:07:02,845 Speaker 1: could you talk about him? And like, yeah, Mike is 95 00:07:03,125 --> 00:07:06,325 Speaker 1: a real old school investigative journalist And how I met 96 00:07:06,365 --> 00:07:09,765 Speaker 1: him was after getting tipped off about this case, the 97 00:07:09,885 --> 00:07:12,965 Speaker 1: Jane Ward case, I started looking into journalists who might 98 00:07:12,965 --> 00:07:15,005 Speaker 1: have written about it locally. And Mike has written over 99 00:07:15,045 --> 00:07:19,005 Speaker 1: two hundred articles for the Arkansas Democrats at opinion pieces 100 00:07:19,805 --> 00:07:22,045 Speaker 1: on the Jane Ward case. He's been a really strong 101 00:07:22,085 --> 00:07:25,285 Speaker 1: advocate for getting justice for her. Like I said last season, 102 00:07:26,045 --> 00:07:28,765 Speaker 1: in this neck of the woods, you're either from here 103 00:07:29,605 --> 00:07:34,205 Speaker 1: or you're from off, and since I'm in the latter category, 104 00:07:34,245 --> 00:07:37,405 Speaker 1: it helps to find someone local who understands the case. 105 00:07:38,365 --> 00:07:40,845 Speaker 1: We meet him and his wife at his home office 106 00:07:40,845 --> 00:07:47,445 Speaker 1: in here. So that's my Chuado Winston. Since I don't 107 00:07:47,445 --> 00:07:49,405 Speaker 1: know when I'll be going home, I brought him with me. 108 00:07:51,485 --> 00:07:54,285 Speaker 1: Mike is friendly and smart, and he has a great 109 00:07:54,325 --> 00:07:58,445 Speaker 1: sense of humor. Framed copies of his many expose as 110 00:07:58,525 --> 00:08:02,085 Speaker 1: from the Chicago Sun, Times and other newspapers cover the 111 00:08:02,125 --> 00:08:05,445 Speaker 1: walls of his home office. Yeah, on these wall, associate. 112 00:08:05,485 --> 00:08:07,765 Speaker 1: The accumulation looks kind of like a museum, doesn't it. 113 00:08:09,125 --> 00:08:14,285 Speaker 1: Maybe forty six year, seven year career in journalism. There's 114 00:08:14,285 --> 00:08:16,445 Speaker 1: a cowboy hat on the back of his chair and 115 00:08:16,525 --> 00:08:20,565 Speaker 1: a display bottle of Crown Royal on his shelf. He's 116 00:08:20,645 --> 00:08:24,445 Speaker 1: eager to talk about Jennie. Jennie Ward case is I think, 117 00:08:24,485 --> 00:08:28,005 Speaker 1: by far of the complex cases that I've been involved in, 118 00:08:28,965 --> 00:08:33,245 Speaker 1: matters that I consider to be injustice that remains today. 119 00:08:33,765 --> 00:08:36,565 Speaker 1: Mike didn't start writing about Jane until two thousand and four, 120 00:08:36,965 --> 00:08:40,525 Speaker 1: fifteen years after she died. He got interested in the 121 00:08:40,565 --> 00:08:42,965 Speaker 1: case after her family was trying to get her body 122 00:08:43,005 --> 00:08:47,885 Speaker 1: exhumed for another autopsy. Mike had investigated numerous murder cases 123 00:08:47,885 --> 00:08:50,325 Speaker 1: in Arkansas, so a colleague of his thought he could 124 00:08:50,325 --> 00:08:52,645 Speaker 1: help with Jane's and a reporter from this newspaper in 125 00:08:52,685 --> 00:08:54,925 Speaker 1: Harrison called me one day and he said, Mike, there's 126 00:08:54,965 --> 00:08:56,965 Speaker 1: a case you need to look at and involves the 127 00:08:56,965 --> 00:09:01,765 Speaker 1: death of a young girl in high school. So I 128 00:09:01,805 --> 00:09:05,765 Speaker 1: got in touch with Ron. Ron is Janie's dad, and on, 129 00:09:06,925 --> 00:09:11,245 Speaker 1: being the dedicated father he was to his daughter, his 130 00:09:11,365 --> 00:09:16,245 Speaker 1: late daughter, had been collecting every scrap of information he 131 00:09:16,285 --> 00:09:17,965 Speaker 1: could get. The more I looked at it, the more 132 00:09:17,965 --> 00:09:21,405 Speaker 1: I realized this thing. Thanks to Hi, I haven't you 133 00:09:21,445 --> 00:09:24,365 Speaker 1: know she didn't fall off a nine inch tall porch, 134 00:09:24,405 --> 00:09:26,405 Speaker 1: which I described at one column as the length of 135 00:09:26,445 --> 00:09:30,965 Speaker 1: my shoe and tear her spinal column in half. None 136 00:09:30,965 --> 00:09:34,165 Speaker 1: of it made any sense. To this day, Mike is 137 00:09:34,245 --> 00:09:37,445 Speaker 1: not convinced that Jane simply fell off a porch and died. 138 00:09:38,245 --> 00:09:40,125 Speaker 1: And I want to trust him because he's seen the 139 00:09:40,205 --> 00:09:43,645 Speaker 1: underbelly of this state, and for him, a cover up 140 00:09:43,685 --> 00:09:46,885 Speaker 1: is never out of the question. We'll be right back 141 00:09:53,685 --> 00:09:57,365 Speaker 1: in his two hundred columns about Janney. Mike kept asking 142 00:09:57,365 --> 00:10:01,525 Speaker 1: his readers, what if Janie Ward was your daughter. After 143 00:10:01,565 --> 00:10:05,045 Speaker 1: I'd been writing about this for probably a year, they 144 00:10:05,085 --> 00:10:09,245 Speaker 1: had a at the Capitol Justice for Jenny rally. Some 145 00:10:09,365 --> 00:10:12,205 Speaker 1: went down there and probably two hundred people from around 146 00:10:12,365 --> 00:10:16,285 Speaker 1: Arkansas showed up at that big rally. It was obvious 147 00:10:16,325 --> 00:10:19,165 Speaker 1: to me that this case had really touched the nerve. 148 00:10:20,085 --> 00:10:22,085 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people in this state and 149 00:10:22,365 --> 00:10:26,245 Speaker 1: other states, but in this state have had injustices happened 150 00:10:26,285 --> 00:10:29,005 Speaker 1: to them, and so in many ways, I think they 151 00:10:29,045 --> 00:10:32,405 Speaker 1: could relate to what the words were going through trying 152 00:10:32,405 --> 00:10:35,965 Speaker 1: to get answers. Can't get answers. When I get answers, 153 00:10:36,085 --> 00:10:39,085 Speaker 1: nobody does anything. And I told Ron when we first 154 00:10:39,125 --> 00:10:43,165 Speaker 1: started this, I said, you know, Ron, I can write 155 00:10:43,285 --> 00:10:46,165 Speaker 1: a million words about what happened to Jenney, but you 156 00:10:46,165 --> 00:10:49,725 Speaker 1: need to understand that at some point the system has 157 00:10:49,765 --> 00:10:52,445 Speaker 1: to work. The system doesn't work. It doesn't matter how 158 00:10:52,445 --> 00:10:55,125 Speaker 1: many words I write, or how many people in Arkansas 159 00:10:55,245 --> 00:10:58,485 Speaker 1: know how bad this was and can see a lot 160 00:10:58,525 --> 00:11:00,845 Speaker 1: of the truth of this case. It won't matter because 161 00:11:00,965 --> 00:11:03,725 Speaker 1: nobody will take action that has the authority to take action. 162 00:11:09,365 --> 00:11:12,925 Speaker 1: While he was writing about Jane. Mike Masterson became close 163 00:11:13,005 --> 00:11:15,805 Speaker 1: with the Ward family, and he's agreed to set up 164 00:11:15,805 --> 00:11:20,765 Speaker 1: a meeting with Janie's mom, Mona. Janie's dad, Ron passed 165 00:11:20,765 --> 00:11:24,205 Speaker 1: away last year. You never met Ron, but what was 166 00:11:24,245 --> 00:11:28,405 Speaker 1: he like as a person? Straightforward, six foot five three 167 00:11:28,605 --> 00:11:32,045 Speaker 1: d and thirty pounds, big big man, had hands twice 168 00:11:32,085 --> 00:11:37,725 Speaker 1: the size of mind, very driven. Ron was an extremely 169 00:11:37,805 --> 00:11:40,645 Speaker 1: driven person to find out what happened to his daughter. 170 00:11:45,365 --> 00:11:48,805 Speaker 1: The next day, we head to the Townhouse Cafe in Harrison. 171 00:11:49,645 --> 00:11:52,765 Speaker 1: Mike is already there. He directs us to a table 172 00:11:52,805 --> 00:11:54,885 Speaker 1: at the back of the restaurant, near the kitchen that's 173 00:11:54,925 --> 00:11:59,125 Speaker 1: gearing up for a very busy lunch hour. Mona arrives 174 00:11:59,125 --> 00:12:03,045 Speaker 1: along with her daughter and Janie's younger sister, Crystal. They 175 00:12:03,125 --> 00:12:08,125 Speaker 1: hugged Mike. Their familiarity is almost like that of soldiers. 176 00:12:08,725 --> 00:12:13,525 Speaker 1: They've clearly been through a lot together. Mona is emotional, 177 00:12:14,605 --> 00:12:18,405 Speaker 1: but she's also tough. It's obvious that, no matter how 178 00:12:18,445 --> 00:12:21,325 Speaker 1: hard this is for her, she wants to get her 179 00:12:21,405 --> 00:12:24,405 Speaker 1: daughter's story out. I can recall it, but I've blocked 180 00:12:24,445 --> 00:12:28,525 Speaker 1: out a lot on purpose to keep from dwelling on 181 00:12:28,565 --> 00:12:32,645 Speaker 1: it because it's painful. Mona immediately dives into what happened 182 00:12:32,685 --> 00:12:37,005 Speaker 1: on September ninth, nineteen eighty nine. All Right, the night 183 00:12:37,125 --> 00:12:42,885 Speaker 1: happened a distant cousin he came and said that Janie 184 00:12:43,685 --> 00:12:45,725 Speaker 1: had had an accident and she was in the hospital 185 00:12:45,765 --> 00:12:48,045 Speaker 1: in Harrison, and so we just jumped in the car 186 00:12:48,125 --> 00:12:52,125 Speaker 1: with him. And when we got to sixty five, instead 187 00:12:52,125 --> 00:12:56,365 Speaker 1: of taking a left to go to Harrison to the hospital, 188 00:12:56,565 --> 00:12:59,845 Speaker 1: it took a ride and Ronnie said, where are you going? 189 00:12:59,885 --> 00:13:01,365 Speaker 1: What are you doing? He said, we got to go 190 00:13:01,405 --> 00:13:05,365 Speaker 1: by the Sheriff's office, and we knew then something was happening, 191 00:13:05,565 --> 00:13:08,365 Speaker 1: and right, and when we got there, there was probably 192 00:13:08,405 --> 00:13:12,205 Speaker 1: over one hundred people, parents and children, and we just 193 00:13:12,405 --> 00:13:15,925 Speaker 1: had to elbow way in. And when we got in 194 00:13:16,205 --> 00:13:19,685 Speaker 1: it was lined with people, you know, small sheriff department. 195 00:13:20,725 --> 00:13:24,805 Speaker 1: And then I was asking people, well, what's wrong, what's wrong? 196 00:13:25,245 --> 00:13:27,565 Speaker 1: And when we got in the Sheriff's office, you know, 197 00:13:27,645 --> 00:13:34,405 Speaker 1: he said, Jannie was there no explanation. After the sheriff 198 00:13:34,445 --> 00:13:37,645 Speaker 1: told him the news, Mona said, he abruptly walked out 199 00:13:37,685 --> 00:13:40,405 Speaker 1: of the room and didn't answer any of their questions. 200 00:13:41,365 --> 00:13:45,925 Speaker 1: And I just lost it and Ronnie did too, and 201 00:13:45,965 --> 00:13:48,565 Speaker 1: then they said you have to go. We had to 202 00:13:48,605 --> 00:13:50,845 Speaker 1: take you to the moor again. I couldn't do it. 203 00:13:51,245 --> 00:13:53,485 Speaker 1: I did not want that to be my last memory 204 00:13:54,045 --> 00:13:57,085 Speaker 1: of Jane. I couldn't do it. Still in shock from 205 00:13:57,125 --> 00:14:00,965 Speaker 1: the news, Ron went with the police to identify Jannie's body. 206 00:14:01,285 --> 00:14:03,325 Speaker 1: I was going to say that I remember Ronnie when 207 00:14:03,325 --> 00:14:06,125 Speaker 1: we had a long talk about this too several times. 208 00:14:06,605 --> 00:14:10,005 Speaker 1: But he mentioned when he saw Jannie in the mortuary 209 00:14:10,765 --> 00:14:14,605 Speaker 1: that she was wet, had the sand, and that he 210 00:14:14,605 --> 00:14:17,045 Speaker 1: he touched her her neck just he could tell her 211 00:14:17,085 --> 00:14:22,405 Speaker 1: neck was broken. Ron described Haimona what he saw. Janie 212 00:14:22,445 --> 00:14:25,365 Speaker 1: was lying on a table and he immediately noticed her neck. 213 00:14:26,805 --> 00:14:31,085 Speaker 1: It looked broken. He saw bruising on her face and 214 00:14:31,125 --> 00:14:34,205 Speaker 1: down her neck. He ran his hands through her hair 215 00:14:34,525 --> 00:14:37,405 Speaker 1: and felt what he believes to be sand, and he 216 00:14:37,485 --> 00:14:40,645 Speaker 1: saw the condition she was in. And he told me 217 00:14:41,845 --> 00:14:44,765 Speaker 1: and later I wish I had it so I could, 218 00:14:45,205 --> 00:14:48,085 Speaker 1: you know, confirm everything he saw. But although I knew 219 00:14:48,165 --> 00:14:51,965 Speaker 1: he saw what he saw. And they said to him, 220 00:14:52,005 --> 00:14:54,085 Speaker 1: they said, do you want to use this funeral home, 221 00:14:54,125 --> 00:14:56,205 Speaker 1: our funeral home or the other funeral home, And he said, 222 00:14:56,245 --> 00:14:59,765 Speaker 1: I want an autopsy. Ron was suspicious that the coroner 223 00:14:59,805 --> 00:15:04,205 Speaker 1: didn't immediately suggest an autopsy, but once he insisted, the 224 00:15:04,245 --> 00:15:07,045 Speaker 1: police took Janie's box to the State Crime Lab in 225 00:15:07,085 --> 00:15:11,005 Speaker 1: Little Rock, and when she got there, she was dressing 226 00:15:11,085 --> 00:15:13,205 Speaker 1: all together different clothes than what he saw her in 227 00:15:13,245 --> 00:15:17,845 Speaker 1: and what she let the house in, so naturally, you know, 228 00:15:17,885 --> 00:15:21,285 Speaker 1: he knew then, and I saw the pictures of what 229 00:15:21,325 --> 00:15:23,605 Speaker 1: she was in. She was in a T shirt that 230 00:15:23,685 --> 00:15:29,045 Speaker 1: she wouldn't have ever worn. It was a T shirt 231 00:15:29,085 --> 00:15:34,365 Speaker 1: with a scaping mouthed skeleton on it. And she would 232 00:15:34,365 --> 00:15:36,965 Speaker 1: have never mourning thing like that. She wasn't even into 233 00:15:37,725 --> 00:15:41,965 Speaker 1: that sort of thing or heavy metal music. It just 234 00:15:42,165 --> 00:15:45,085 Speaker 1: wasn't hear at all. When Ron saw Janie's body, he 235 00:15:45,245 --> 00:15:47,365 Speaker 1: said she had been wearing a blue and white pin 236 00:15:47,445 --> 00:15:50,645 Speaker 1: striped shirt, but by the time Jennie was delivered to 237 00:15:50,685 --> 00:15:54,285 Speaker 1: the State Crime Lab for the autopsy, a photograph taken 238 00:15:54,285 --> 00:15:57,005 Speaker 1: of her showed her wearing a black T shirt with 239 00:15:57,085 --> 00:15:59,165 Speaker 1: the band def Leppard on the front when he saw 240 00:15:59,205 --> 00:16:01,365 Speaker 1: her at When Ron saw her at the morgue, was 241 00:16:01,405 --> 00:16:04,245 Speaker 1: she wearing the pin striped shirt or the T shirt? 242 00:16:04,605 --> 00:16:07,685 Speaker 1: Ronnie said she had on pinstriped shirt. She buttoned her 243 00:16:07,725 --> 00:16:11,445 Speaker 1: top shirt buttoned because it was bloused and he buttoned it. 244 00:16:12,085 --> 00:16:13,925 Speaker 1: That's how we know it must have been changed at 245 00:16:13,965 --> 00:16:18,525 Speaker 1: the morgue. And also she didn't she didn't do drugs, 246 00:16:19,485 --> 00:16:24,405 Speaker 1: she didn't smoke pot, and there was two rolled marijuana 247 00:16:24,485 --> 00:16:27,525 Speaker 1: joints in her pocket, not in her system, so they 248 00:16:27,565 --> 00:16:31,405 Speaker 1: depicted her. You know, it's like picking her as a 249 00:16:31,445 --> 00:16:34,565 Speaker 1: wild child or something. And I'm not being naive. I 250 00:16:34,645 --> 00:16:37,005 Speaker 1: knew my daughter very well, and I knew her friends, 251 00:16:37,325 --> 00:16:40,685 Speaker 1: and she was totally out of her element, her league 252 00:16:40,685 --> 00:16:42,805 Speaker 1: of friends. None of her friends were there that she 253 00:16:42,925 --> 00:16:45,685 Speaker 1: ran with. Uh. I mean, she went to school with 254 00:16:45,725 --> 00:16:48,285 Speaker 1: the kid. These kids were there that were there, but 255 00:16:48,325 --> 00:16:54,005 Speaker 1: they were the the wablins, you know, And that wasn't her. 256 00:16:54,205 --> 00:16:57,365 Speaker 1: It weren't her type. Mona has already raised a lot 257 00:16:57,365 --> 00:17:01,325 Speaker 1: of questions for me. First, what happened to Janie's shirt? 258 00:17:02,405 --> 00:17:04,885 Speaker 1: Ron insisted that she was wearing a different shirt at 259 00:17:04,885 --> 00:17:07,125 Speaker 1: the crime Life than what he saw her in at 260 00:17:07,165 --> 00:17:10,885 Speaker 1: the Morgan Marshall. He also saw injuries on her face 261 00:17:10,965 --> 00:17:15,165 Speaker 1: and neck, So why didn't the coroner suggest an autopsy immediately? 262 00:17:15,965 --> 00:17:19,605 Speaker 1: As an investigator, I know that every suspicious death should 263 00:17:19,605 --> 00:17:22,765 Speaker 1: be treated as a homicide until it can be proven otherwise, 264 00:17:23,325 --> 00:17:25,445 Speaker 1: And why was Jane at the party in the first place. 265 00:17:26,125 --> 00:17:29,885 Speaker 1: According to her family, it seemed out of character when 266 00:17:29,885 --> 00:17:31,565 Speaker 1: you said that she wasn't part of the crowd at 267 00:17:31,565 --> 00:17:34,205 Speaker 1: the party that night. Can you just tell us a 268 00:17:34,205 --> 00:17:35,885 Speaker 1: little bit about what she was like, what her life 269 00:17:35,925 --> 00:17:41,405 Speaker 1: was like at that time. I she was she had 270 00:17:41,445 --> 00:17:44,845 Speaker 1: her crowd, you know, everybody does. They have their little 271 00:17:44,885 --> 00:17:51,805 Speaker 1: Bruce and hers worth saying more like the giddy twosy girls, 272 00:17:51,965 --> 00:17:57,285 Speaker 1: you know more more so, you know not and once 273 00:17:57,325 --> 00:18:01,605 Speaker 1: she those girls, these people at this part were the 274 00:18:01,605 --> 00:18:06,605 Speaker 1: the snobs, the preppies. You know. Ever seen Rome and 275 00:18:06,685 --> 00:18:10,085 Speaker 1: Michelle's high school reunion. This is Crystal, Janie's sister. Well, 276 00:18:10,205 --> 00:18:14,445 Speaker 1: my sister was like the B group and the other 277 00:18:14,485 --> 00:18:17,405 Speaker 1: girls were the A group, And that's kind of like 278 00:18:17,645 --> 00:18:20,325 Speaker 1: how they treated her. And she had a job, right 279 00:18:20,605 --> 00:18:26,965 Speaker 1: she was, Yes, she worked, and she was smart Maga grades. 280 00:18:27,325 --> 00:18:31,125 Speaker 1: Everybody that knew her, unless they were in the A group, 281 00:18:31,525 --> 00:18:34,325 Speaker 1: loved her. She really was. Jennie was a wonderful person, 282 00:18:34,485 --> 00:18:37,245 Speaker 1: and I mean she just did. She just was for 283 00:18:37,325 --> 00:18:41,565 Speaker 1: the underdog. She always worked and she would spend her 284 00:18:41,605 --> 00:18:45,005 Speaker 1: money on other people. She would, she really would. If 285 00:18:45,005 --> 00:18:46,965 Speaker 1: there was somebody poor than we were. She'd go out 286 00:18:46,965 --> 00:18:49,725 Speaker 1: of her way to make sure that they had something. Yeah, 287 00:18:49,845 --> 00:18:52,205 Speaker 1: Crystal told Jannie the story about a little girl on 288 00:18:52,285 --> 00:18:56,845 Speaker 1: her grade who said all she wanted for Christmas is 289 00:18:56,885 --> 00:18:58,925 Speaker 1: that she just wanted a Barbie doll. Oh, she didn't 290 00:18:59,165 --> 00:19:02,445 Speaker 1: never have a Barbie doll. And Crystal told Janie, and 291 00:19:02,645 --> 00:19:06,365 Speaker 1: Jane said, well, Crystal, you got it new Barbie doll. 292 00:19:06,445 --> 00:19:10,765 Speaker 1: And you got Barbie dolls, plenty of Barbie dolls. And 293 00:19:10,805 --> 00:19:13,045 Speaker 1: she said you could give her your new Barbie doll. 294 00:19:13,565 --> 00:19:20,845 Speaker 1: And christ was like, come out, and Janey's relented, you know, 295 00:19:20,885 --> 00:19:25,045 Speaker 1: I said, okay. So Janey bought balloons, you know, for 296 00:19:25,125 --> 00:19:27,925 Speaker 1: the little girl because it was Valentine's Day. So she 297 00:19:28,005 --> 00:19:32,285 Speaker 1: brought her balloons, and Chrystal contributed the new Barbie doll 298 00:19:32,805 --> 00:19:36,005 Speaker 1: and had it put in the bag, and then Crystal 299 00:19:36,125 --> 00:19:38,725 Speaker 1: had it sent by the flower shop to the little 300 00:19:38,765 --> 00:19:43,645 Speaker 1: girl in her classroom. Chisticated for a kid to do that. Actually, 301 00:19:43,925 --> 00:19:46,605 Speaker 1: that's the way she was. She just always did things 302 00:19:46,645 --> 00:20:01,605 Speaker 1: like that. After Janie's death, Ron started obsessively collecting articles 303 00:20:01,645 --> 00:20:06,085 Speaker 1: about the case, interviewing witnesses, and demanding everything piece of 304 00:20:06,085 --> 00:20:09,365 Speaker 1: paperwork from police and from the Arkansas State Crime Lab. 305 00:20:09,805 --> 00:20:12,405 Speaker 1: He was the one that had pursued it all this time, 306 00:20:13,925 --> 00:20:17,125 Speaker 1: promise I'd carry it on. But you know, I can't 307 00:20:17,245 --> 00:20:20,005 Speaker 1: do that because I can't do it. Do it like 308 00:20:20,125 --> 00:20:23,005 Speaker 1: he did, because I can't. I can't handle that. But 309 00:20:23,045 --> 00:20:25,485 Speaker 1: I guess by doing it like this, I am keeping 310 00:20:25,525 --> 00:20:28,765 Speaker 1: my promise to him that I would would. Was it 311 00:20:28,805 --> 00:20:35,685 Speaker 1: a heart or cancer or it WASDPD. Yeah. Yeah, he 312 00:20:35,765 --> 00:20:40,925 Speaker 1: was a changemoker ever since Chaney died, and he would 313 00:20:40,925 --> 00:20:43,645 Speaker 1: have been sixty nine in September. And I mean we all, 314 00:20:43,725 --> 00:20:46,845 Speaker 1: we all three smoked cigarettes, but Dad really he did 315 00:20:46,925 --> 00:20:50,405 Speaker 1: eat them. I mean like one after the other, because 316 00:20:50,405 --> 00:20:51,885 Speaker 1: that's all he pretty much did it. Laid in bed 317 00:20:51,925 --> 00:20:54,685 Speaker 1: and smoked the last set, got on the computer, read 318 00:20:54,725 --> 00:20:58,005 Speaker 1: and stuff. The last several months, that's all he did. Yeah, 319 00:20:58,045 --> 00:21:01,445 Speaker 1: he was a change smoker. Last several months. Ron wrote 320 00:21:01,485 --> 00:21:05,645 Speaker 1: a letter to Jannie, promising her that he would get justice. 321 00:21:06,165 --> 00:21:08,605 Speaker 1: He put it in her coffin before she was buried. 322 00:21:09,325 --> 00:21:11,325 Speaker 1: I've never asked you that. I didn't get a chance 323 00:21:11,365 --> 00:21:15,205 Speaker 1: to ask Ron. What did Ron say in that note? 324 00:21:15,405 --> 00:21:19,205 Speaker 1: What did he tell her? You know, the promise that 325 00:21:19,325 --> 00:21:23,605 Speaker 1: he would he would avenge her or you know the 326 00:21:23,645 --> 00:21:26,405 Speaker 1: original letter. I think it was the original letter where 327 00:21:26,445 --> 00:21:30,845 Speaker 1: he made the promise that he would have there would 328 00:21:30,885 --> 00:21:35,565 Speaker 1: be justice for her, or that he would pursue justice 329 00:21:35,925 --> 00:21:38,525 Speaker 1: as long as he lived. After two hours of talking, 330 00:21:39,365 --> 00:21:43,885 Speaker 1: everyone is exhausted. Mona mentions that she's brought everything Ron 331 00:21:43,965 --> 00:21:46,845 Speaker 1: collected over the years, and she's agreed to let us 332 00:21:46,885 --> 00:21:51,005 Speaker 1: look through it. We pay the bill and head outside. 333 00:21:52,525 --> 00:21:58,125 Speaker 1: The main box is a blue plastic bin. It's huge, 334 00:21:58,365 --> 00:22:00,565 Speaker 1: and there's a second one. It's a little smaller. It's 335 00:22:00,565 --> 00:22:05,285 Speaker 1: it brown. They're both a lot heavier than he was. 336 00:22:05,805 --> 00:22:08,205 Speaker 1: Do you put the seats down? We don't know if 337 00:22:08,205 --> 00:22:10,565 Speaker 1: we can even fit them into our car, and I wouldn't. 338 00:22:10,565 --> 00:22:14,445 Speaker 1: We were going to go to Mount View and oh 339 00:22:14,525 --> 00:22:18,685 Speaker 1: yeah no, We'll all right, we'll get it to you 340 00:22:18,685 --> 00:22:23,885 Speaker 1: the next few days and I'll have Yeah, we're gonna 341 00:22:23,885 --> 00:22:26,045 Speaker 1: guard it with our lives like it's gonna be well 342 00:22:26,045 --> 00:22:29,045 Speaker 1: looked after. I mean, I feel good about it. I'm 343 00:22:29,085 --> 00:22:31,005 Speaker 1: just saying, you know, I understand it. It's a huge 344 00:22:31,085 --> 00:22:34,365 Speaker 1: It's just it's just a really huge saying because it 345 00:22:34,645 --> 00:22:38,165 Speaker 1: so much to our family. And just promise my dad, 346 00:22:39,565 --> 00:22:44,645 Speaker 1: you know, carry you're carrying the torch right, the torch 347 00:22:44,685 --> 00:22:48,565 Speaker 1: hadn't died, right, but we take it extremely seriously. Run 348 00:22:48,925 --> 00:22:54,845 Speaker 1: runs responsible for her being here too. It is yep. Otherwise, 349 00:22:54,925 --> 00:22:58,565 Speaker 1: I mean, why this case years later, as long as 350 00:22:58,605 --> 00:23:01,085 Speaker 1: E been since we were I was doing this. It's 351 00:23:01,125 --> 00:23:05,845 Speaker 1: gonna fifteen years. You say goodbye to the family, giving 352 00:23:05,845 --> 00:23:08,045 Speaker 1: them our word that we won't let anything happen to 353 00:23:08,085 --> 00:23:11,325 Speaker 1: the boxes. Gabby and I get in the car and 354 00:23:11,445 --> 00:23:15,525 Speaker 1: watch moaning Crystal drive off. Then all of a sudden, 355 00:23:16,165 --> 00:23:19,445 Speaker 1: the emotion of the case hits us. Yeah, I'm not 356 00:23:19,445 --> 00:23:22,885 Speaker 1: gonna cry in front of them because they you know, 357 00:23:23,525 --> 00:23:26,165 Speaker 1: I don't do that, because like they shouldn't be humping me. 358 00:23:26,405 --> 00:23:28,765 Speaker 1: You know. She just seemed like I was kind of 359 00:23:28,805 --> 00:23:30,485 Speaker 1: trying to read it. She just seemed like I'm here, 360 00:23:30,605 --> 00:23:33,725 Speaker 1: you know. So I was like, okay, let's just roll then. Yeah, 361 00:23:33,845 --> 00:23:37,525 Speaker 1: so she doesn't repeat yourself. Yeah, I don't think they 362 00:23:37,525 --> 00:23:39,325 Speaker 1: would have handled that box to anybody else. I'll tell 363 00:23:39,325 --> 00:23:41,165 Speaker 1: you that right now, like unless Mike got involved, you know, 364 00:23:41,205 --> 00:23:46,005 Speaker 1: unless we roll. And I just feel like, yeah, for them, 365 00:23:46,085 --> 00:23:48,605 Speaker 1: they have to balance. They have children and families and lives, 366 00:23:48,605 --> 00:23:51,845 Speaker 1: so you can't spend the rest of your life leaving 367 00:23:51,925 --> 00:23:55,325 Speaker 1: it for your you know, you can't spend. At some 368 00:23:55,365 --> 00:23:57,925 Speaker 1: point you do have to detach emotionally going with your life. 369 00:23:58,005 --> 00:24:00,245 Speaker 1: But so it's really good when someone comes in and 370 00:24:00,765 --> 00:24:04,605 Speaker 1: does that stuff for you, because it's also I can't 371 00:24:04,605 --> 00:24:08,045 Speaker 1: imagine being like the Bravery. The dad had to have 372 00:24:08,125 --> 00:24:11,205 Speaker 1: to do that investigation himself, to hear all that stuff 373 00:24:11,285 --> 00:24:14,365 Speaker 1: over and over and you know, try to be objective. 374 00:24:17,645 --> 00:24:20,005 Speaker 1: After a long day, we make our way back to 375 00:24:20,045 --> 00:24:23,885 Speaker 1: my dad's house in Mountain View. We take the elevator 376 00:24:24,205 --> 00:24:26,445 Speaker 1: and put the boxes in my dad's game room on 377 00:24:26,485 --> 00:24:30,765 Speaker 1: the top floor of his house. Actually, I call it 378 00:24:30,805 --> 00:24:34,485 Speaker 1: my war room because it's where I started investigating Rebecca's 379 00:24:34,525 --> 00:24:37,645 Speaker 1: case all those years ago. But should we opened first? 380 00:24:37,885 --> 00:24:40,725 Speaker 1: Maybe this big one, Yeah, I'm just curious how heavy 381 00:24:40,765 --> 00:24:44,285 Speaker 1: it was? It probably one hundred pounds. Yeah, easy, because 382 00:24:44,285 --> 00:24:47,485 Speaker 1: I carried the when I did for Rebecca's case, I 383 00:24:48,085 --> 00:24:50,045 Speaker 1: was seeing a heart abeat to carry one hundred pounds 384 00:24:50,045 --> 00:24:53,045 Speaker 1: demy and I don't think it was that heavy. Maybe 385 00:24:53,045 --> 00:24:55,365 Speaker 1: it's just that seems to bulk here. But I opened 386 00:24:55,405 --> 00:24:59,245 Speaker 1: the blue box wow, and immediately am hit by the 387 00:24:59,325 --> 00:25:04,045 Speaker 1: overwhelming smell of stale cigarettes. I close my eyes and 388 00:25:04,085 --> 00:25:08,045 Speaker 1: I can almost see run chainsmoking late at night, obsessing, 389 00:25:08,645 --> 00:25:14,685 Speaker 1: making notes, circling, highlighting, trying anything to get answers. The 390 00:25:14,725 --> 00:25:17,165 Speaker 1: first thing I see is a Manila folder labeled to 391 00:25:17,245 --> 00:25:22,845 Speaker 1: do to do file he left us. Wow, this is 392 00:25:23,165 --> 00:25:30,365 Speaker 1: information on It's like press clippings, some emails of my 393 00:25:32,645 --> 00:25:37,285 Speaker 1: This looks like an autopsy. There are more folders and 394 00:25:37,325 --> 00:25:41,725 Speaker 1: binders full of documents like transcribed interviews with witnesses, police notes, 395 00:25:41,925 --> 00:25:45,125 Speaker 1: letters from Arkansas citizens interested in the case, and old 396 00:25:45,165 --> 00:25:49,365 Speaker 1: newspaper clippings about Janie. The box is also packed with 397 00:25:49,405 --> 00:25:52,805 Speaker 1: photos of Janey and at the bottom there's an aluminum 398 00:25:52,885 --> 00:25:55,205 Speaker 1: tin with an imprint that says Dad on the top. 399 00:25:56,165 --> 00:25:59,325 Speaker 1: Inside is a pocket knife. It's likely one of Janey's 400 00:25:59,365 --> 00:26:04,045 Speaker 1: last gifts to her dad. So there's cassette tapes garried 401 00:26:04,125 --> 00:26:09,325 Speaker 1: on Snow seven twenty four zero seven Part two. Wow, 402 00:26:09,325 --> 00:26:12,725 Speaker 1: these are all interviews that looks like what are the 403 00:26:12,765 --> 00:26:16,125 Speaker 1: only HG? How are we gonna watch that? These boxes 404 00:26:16,165 --> 00:26:19,405 Speaker 1: are like a time capsule. There are multiple types of 405 00:26:19,445 --> 00:26:24,805 Speaker 1: media DVDs, CDs, VHS's, and cassettes. We also find dozens 406 00:26:24,805 --> 00:26:31,365 Speaker 1: of microcassettes. Fortunately, Ron's left behind his reporter it's beaten 407 00:26:31,485 --> 00:26:35,045 Speaker 1: up in dented, but when I press play on another cassette, 408 00:26:35,245 --> 00:26:39,085 Speaker 1: it works, and the war room is filled with Ron's 409 00:26:39,085 --> 00:26:44,245 Speaker 1: deep booming voice. Okay. Now, when I went and saw 410 00:26:44,285 --> 00:26:50,405 Speaker 1: my daughter, they're in the board up here. She had 411 00:26:50,525 --> 00:26:55,285 Speaker 1: on a white pinstriped shirt. She lying over her head, 412 00:26:55,325 --> 00:27:00,005 Speaker 1: turned like this out on the floorescent line on this table. 413 00:27:00,325 --> 00:27:02,685 Speaker 1: And there was a loud blue jacket laying beside her. 414 00:27:04,085 --> 00:27:07,285 Speaker 1: And how cool to shirt down and button the bottom 415 00:27:07,365 --> 00:27:10,205 Speaker 1: button up. And it felt down to my touch, and 416 00:27:10,285 --> 00:27:13,365 Speaker 1: I thought, what what's this? What? Uh huh? I said, 417 00:27:13,365 --> 00:27:18,965 Speaker 1: what's this? What's this? You? So? You know, I touched 418 00:27:19,685 --> 00:27:21,925 Speaker 1: felt over her hands and arms, and she was beginning 419 00:27:21,885 --> 00:27:23,565 Speaker 1: to get it kind of stiff, and I had to 420 00:27:23,565 --> 00:27:25,605 Speaker 1: touch her head, you know, and it tears my eyes 421 00:27:25,645 --> 00:27:28,005 Speaker 1: and all. And when I I had it fell over 422 00:27:28,005 --> 00:27:29,485 Speaker 1: her neck and her head to kind of roll just 423 00:27:29,565 --> 00:27:34,285 Speaker 1: a little bit like that, and I saw this disfiguration. 424 00:27:34,605 --> 00:27:38,245 Speaker 1: Her ear was purple up the hear was purple. It 425 00:27:38,285 --> 00:27:40,965 Speaker 1: was purple all the way down the here down to 426 00:27:41,005 --> 00:27:47,285 Speaker 1: the right here. Okay, nice f purple. Okay. I rum 427 00:27:47,405 --> 00:27:50,325 Speaker 1: my fingers stare of her like this, and this stuff 428 00:27:50,405 --> 00:27:54,605 Speaker 1: kept coming out it was like sand and flas. This 429 00:27:54,845 --> 00:27:57,325 Speaker 1: was a fine sand also, you know it find it 430 00:27:57,765 --> 00:28:00,205 Speaker 1: out before uh huh it was. Her hair was stiff 431 00:28:00,605 --> 00:28:03,445 Speaker 1: and it cause you know, it started getting I was 432 00:28:03,485 --> 00:28:05,405 Speaker 1: coming off on this flat table and one of her 433 00:28:05,565 --> 00:28:08,805 Speaker 1: ears was half like four of their substance in it's 434 00:28:08,845 --> 00:28:17,445 Speaker 1: owner face and uh, I thought, wow, you know and 435 00:28:17,605 --> 00:28:20,365 Speaker 1: uh then I uh, I was told she fell off 436 00:28:20,365 --> 00:28:23,765 Speaker 1: his porch. Well, and I wanted him on the hell 437 00:28:23,845 --> 00:28:26,925 Speaker 1: that she get this huge bruise here, you know, and 438 00:28:27,045 --> 00:28:30,605 Speaker 1: her earss like you know it's purple. It it's I mean, 439 00:28:30,685 --> 00:28:37,565 Speaker 1: it was, it was coming out. Okay. What they done 440 00:28:38,645 --> 00:28:43,445 Speaker 1: is they washed her and they cleaned her up. Well, 441 00:28:43,445 --> 00:28:47,125 Speaker 1: when I saw her, I would might buy the story 442 00:28:47,205 --> 00:28:50,605 Speaker 1: that she fell off at the porch. It's only about 443 00:28:50,645 --> 00:29:04,485 Speaker 1: the etall. My daughter was beaten to dead. We signed 444 00:29:04,525 --> 00:29:07,925 Speaker 1: the Arkansas State Release's six thousand page case file. On 445 00:29:07,965 --> 00:29:13,165 Speaker 1: a disc on it are Jane's autopsy photos. Autopsy photos 446 00:29:13,205 --> 00:29:15,885 Speaker 1: after a person that's been dug up are extremely graphic 447 00:29:15,925 --> 00:29:19,765 Speaker 1: and disturbing. I can't imagine a grieving father having to 448 00:29:19,805 --> 00:29:23,645 Speaker 1: look through these. The original autopsy concluded that she died 449 00:29:23,685 --> 00:29:27,485 Speaker 1: of an upper spinal cord and neck injury. I found 450 00:29:27,485 --> 00:29:30,925 Speaker 1: myself asking the same question Ron did. How could a 451 00:29:30,965 --> 00:29:34,725 Speaker 1: healthy sixteen year old girl fall off a short nine 452 00:29:34,805 --> 00:29:39,005 Speaker 1: and three quarter inch tall step and die? What really 453 00:29:39,085 --> 00:29:56,405 Speaker 1: happened at that party? We'll be right back. As I 454 00:29:56,445 --> 00:29:59,005 Speaker 1: said at the end of season one, We're all in 455 00:29:59,045 --> 00:30:04,245 Speaker 1: this together. Unlike Rebecca's, Janie's case, at least on paper 456 00:30:04,765 --> 00:30:09,125 Speaker 1: is closed. That means we have full access to Janey's 457 00:30:09,125 --> 00:30:13,365 Speaker 1: case file, all six thousand pages of it. We can 458 00:30:13,405 --> 00:30:16,285 Speaker 1: take a look at the entire investigation from beginning to 459 00:30:16,445 --> 00:30:19,325 Speaker 1: end to tell Jane's story. We can see all of 460 00:30:19,365 --> 00:30:24,205 Speaker 1: the facts. At least we should be able to see them. 461 00:30:24,525 --> 00:30:27,965 Speaker 1: That night, after we met with Monan Crystal, I wake 462 00:30:28,085 --> 00:30:31,925 Speaker 1: up at two am. Being back in Arkansas is weird 463 00:30:32,285 --> 00:30:36,285 Speaker 1: but also familiar in many ways. It's like nothing has 464 00:30:36,365 --> 00:30:41,165 Speaker 1: changed since I was a kid. Around here, things happen slowly, 465 00:30:41,725 --> 00:30:45,245 Speaker 1: and big things are measured in geologic time. That's what 466 00:30:45,285 --> 00:30:49,205 Speaker 1: geology is, the study of pressure and time. We don't 467 00:30:49,245 --> 00:30:52,325 Speaker 1: notice the tiny changes every day as rain slides over stone, 468 00:30:52,725 --> 00:30:55,685 Speaker 1: but over time, this is how mountains are formed and 469 00:30:55,805 --> 00:30:59,565 Speaker 1: rivers change course. 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