1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:02,000 Speaker 1: I am six forty. 2 00:00:02,040 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 2: You're listening to the John and Ken Show on demand 3 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:10,479 Speaker 2: on the iHeartRadio app on the radio one until four 4 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:13,200 Speaker 2: after four o'clock. If you missed the show or parts 5 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:16,239 Speaker 2: of it, you pick it up on the podcast John 6 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:17,160 Speaker 2: and Kent on Demand. 7 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:20,959 Speaker 1: Well, yesterday was Sunday, October first, and we told you 8 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 1: last week that that is the return of zero bail 9 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:27,479 Speaker 1: in Los Angeles County. It was a decision that was 10 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 1: made in a case that came before a judge and 11 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 1: eventually agreed upon by a number of La County Superior Court. 12 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:42,600 Speaker 1: So we're going to talk pre arraignment. Released protocols largely 13 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 1: eliminates the existing cash bail system for all but the 14 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:46,919 Speaker 1: most serious of crimes. 15 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:50,559 Speaker 2: So we're going to talk now with John McKinney. He 16 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 2: is a Deputy District Attorney in Los Angeles County and 17 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 2: he's running to replace George Gascon And let's talk to John. 18 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 1: Now, how you doing good afternoon? 19 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:02,279 Speaker 3: Thanks for having me. 20 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:07,760 Speaker 2: What's your opinion of this new zero bail policy from 21 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:09,960 Speaker 2: the LA County Superior Court. 22 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 3: I think it's terrible for Los Angeles. It's going to 23 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 3: increase crime. It's going to increase failures to appear in court. 24 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 3: It's going to increase warrants. It's going to be expensive 25 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 3: to the taxpayers of the County of Los Angeles. It's 26 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:29,480 Speaker 3: going to increase crime. It's going to increase victimization. It's 27 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 3: like pouring gasoline on a fire. It's stundying that this 28 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 3: is coming from our Superior Court, which has largely stayed 29 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:40,320 Speaker 3: out of the politics of the criminal justice system over 30 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 3: the past three years. This is a bad sign because 31 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 3: it appears that the court itself is stepping into the 32 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 3: political fray. It is a solution in search of a problem, 33 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 3: and it's just terrible. 34 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 2: Shouldn't this come from our elected representatives. I understand judges 35 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 2: are elected, but judges are an elect to impose this 36 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 2: kind of drastic change on how we handle everyday crime. 37 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 3: Right And I heard from reporting earlier that a lawsuit 38 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 3: has been filed by a number of cities. That's very 39 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:17,120 Speaker 3: encouraging because I do think that given the separation of 40 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 3: powers doctrine and the risk of harm that this new 41 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:25,919 Speaker 3: policy will likely cause, that it's important that it gets 42 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 3: challenged in core. But this is a political question, you know, 43 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 3: and we really have to refute the notion of Johnny Kin. 44 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:36,119 Speaker 3: This is very important for people to understand and talk 45 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 3: to their neighbors and friends about. We have to refute 46 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 3: the notion that people are being held in custody simply 47 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 3: because they are poor. That is absolutely untrue. People who 48 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:50,359 Speaker 3: are in custody are in custody because there's probable cause 49 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 3: to believe that they committed a crime, and not just 50 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 3: probable cause to believe they committed a crime, but their 51 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 3: record shows their criminal history shows that they are untrustworthy 52 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 3: to release. Most of the people who come before the 53 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 3: court get released on their own recognizance. Every day I'm 54 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 3: here in East LA, ninety percent of the people are 55 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 3: out on their own recognissance. The small percentage who are 56 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 3: held in custody are held there because a judge looks 57 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:21,639 Speaker 3: at their criminal history or the crime before the court 58 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 3: and says, I can't trust you. I can't trust to 59 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 3: release you back into the community. Now, bail. Bail is 60 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 3: not a lock that holds people in custody. Bail is 61 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 3: actually a key that lets people out of custody. Bail 62 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 3: is nothing more than collateral bail. Even for people that 63 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 3: the court finds generally untrustworthy, the court will release on 64 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 3: bail if a person is able to post collateral sufficient 65 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 3: enough to convince the court that they will follow the 66 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 3: court's rules and orders and return to court. 67 00:03:56,880 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 2: Right, they'll show up for the hearings, they'll show up 68 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 2: for the try, or they lose their money, or they 69 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 2: lose their collateral, their property. So now, now, now there's 70 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 2: an incentive for them to show up and deal with 71 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 2: what would the deal with the charges and not just disappear. 72 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 2: I don't understand why would they do this at the 73 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:21,480 Speaker 2: height of a crime wave where every night we're seeing 74 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 2: these massive smash and grab robberies at all the shopping malls, 75 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 2: all the stories. What why why would you pick now 76 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:32,279 Speaker 2: to decide to have an obail policy. 77 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:35,839 Speaker 3: You know, that's the billion dollar question. That's the question 78 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:39,239 Speaker 3: that twelve cities are asking a court in Orange County 79 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:43,720 Speaker 3: to decide. And let's let's let the listeners know about 80 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 3: some of the crimes that are fighting release. I noted 81 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:49,480 Speaker 3: a couple of them from the court's new bail schedule. 82 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 3: Are you ready for this? Shooting on the public highway, 83 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:57,839 Speaker 3: shooting on a public highway, fight and relase, possession of 84 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 3: a flame throwing device without a license, Fight and release 85 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 3: advocating the killing or injuring of a police officer, Sit 86 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 3: and relase, false imprisonment, fight and release, unlawful sex with 87 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 3: a minor cit and release. I can go on and 88 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 3: on and on every theft crime under nine p. Fifty 89 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:20,720 Speaker 3: Sitan release. It makes no sense. And here's a doozie. 90 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:26,600 Speaker 3: Let's say that an officer fights and releases someone under 91 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 3: this new bail schedule, and that person predictably fails to 92 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 3: appear in court. The court will issue a warrant for 93 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:37,480 Speaker 3: that person when that person is picked up on a 94 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:42,160 Speaker 3: warrant for willful failure to appear after being released on 95 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 3: one's own recognaissance. That's book and release, Book and release 96 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:50,359 Speaker 3: after you're already out for failing to appear in the 97 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:54,040 Speaker 3: first place. So you have to wonder who sat around 98 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:57,600 Speaker 3: the table and came up with this protocol and for 99 00:05:57,640 --> 00:05:58,279 Speaker 3: what purpose. 100 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 2: This is like a blanket rejection of the concept of bail. Yeah, 101 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:11,040 Speaker 2: they don't want anybody in a jail, even for five minutes. 102 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 3: And that's what it is. It really falls along the 103 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:20,799 Speaker 3: narrative of those who want to destroy our public institutions. 104 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 3: They don't want jails in the first place. I mean 105 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:28,159 Speaker 3: there's an easy way to deal with the free arraignment 106 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 3: detention if you really think the forty eight hours is 107 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 3: a problem, which no court has ever said was un 108 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:36,479 Speaker 3: constitutional until Judge Risk said it. But if you really 109 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 3: thought that was a problem, if the Superior Court really 110 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:42,279 Speaker 3: thought that was a problem, they would open night courts. 111 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 3: They would have twenty four hour arraignment courts. A person 112 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 3: gets arrested for a crime, police officers drive them right 113 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:50,919 Speaker 3: over to the arraignment court. They can see a judge 114 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:53,919 Speaker 3: right away, and that judge at least will have the 115 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:57,359 Speaker 3: benefit of having that person's rap sheet in front of 116 00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 3: him or her, having some advocacy on behalf of the 117 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 3: people and on behalf of the arrested person, and they 118 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 3: can make an informed decision about whether to release them 119 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:09,360 Speaker 3: or not. None of that happens under this blanket site 120 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 3: and release book and release policy. 121 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 2: So it's now infected the judges of the La County 122 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 2: Superior Court. I mean, you know, we have this insane 123 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 2: district attorney who believes in mayhem, basically just anarchy. Now 124 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 2: we've got the judges on the La County Superior Court, 125 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 2: the ordinary public. We don't have anybody protecting us. Now 126 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 2: everybody's on the criminal side. I mean, what happened here. 127 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 3: Well, we're losing control of our community, We're losing control 128 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 3: of our way of doing business. We need new leadership. 129 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 3: And yeah, it's very discouraging because for a long time 130 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 3: we were focused on Gascon and his crazy policies, his 131 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 3: crazy pre trial relief policy. This in many ways goes 132 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 3: beyond what he and Gascon did. Now he loved this. 133 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 3: He's already publicly embraced it, which should surprise no one. 134 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 3: But you know, somebody was telling me the other day, 135 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 3: someone said to me, John, you know what the problem 136 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 3: is nowadays with our elected officials. They're not interested in 137 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 3: just doing the job and doing a good job. They're 138 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 3: all interested in leaving some kind of a legacy. You know. 139 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 3: They all want to do something bold and different. And 140 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 3: I think that is what the Court is doing here. 141 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 3: We have a new presiding judge of our Superior Court. 142 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:38,440 Speaker 3: I think she's just took over within the last year, 143 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 3: and she seems to be very much in favor of 144 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 3: this policy. I think she stepped in it, and I 145 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 3: really hope the court pulls back away from this. 146 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 2: Samantha Jess, you know, I up until this past week, 147 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 2: I'd never heard of her, and now she's a presiding judge, 148 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 2: and I guess she gave final approval to this zero 149 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 2: bail policy. And this, this is what frustrates people. Somebody 150 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 2: you never heard of, you never noticed in life, and 151 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 2: now you're going to unleash every criminal to run a 152 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 2: bock without any consequences. 153 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 3: And it was completely unnecessary because our Supreme Court, and 154 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:19,200 Speaker 3: everybody knows the California Supreme Court is fairly liberal and 155 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 3: left leaning in its philosophy, but they gave every court 156 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 3: in California a blueprint on how to handle pre trial detention. 157 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 3: They couldn't make it more clear that the courts had 158 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 3: to consider lesser restrictive means before imposing bail, and if 159 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:39,720 Speaker 3: the court felt bail was necessary, because there was no 160 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 3: lesser restrictive meaning that would work, they had to consider 161 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:47,080 Speaker 3: a person's ability to pay. They dealt with the issue 162 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 3: of the disparate income impact on people in custody, so 163 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 3: that fifty thousand dollars for one man might be five 164 00:09:57,240 --> 00:10:00,840 Speaker 3: hundred dollars for another man. Our Supreme Court address this 165 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 3: in great detail, laid it all out, solve the problem, 166 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 3: and now we get this. 167 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 1: All right, John McKinney, How can people find out more 168 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:12,840 Speaker 1: about your campaign for DA. 169 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:18,080 Speaker 3: People can follow me on my website at MCKINNEYFOLA dot com, 170 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:21,079 Speaker 3: but I'm very active also on Instagram and Twitter at 171 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 3: John McKinney Underscore. I would love for all your listeners 172 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 3: to check me out, follow me and keep the conversation 173 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:30,200 Speaker 3: about public safety and Los Angeles gone. 174 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 1: All right, thanks for talking to us today. 175 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:34,440 Speaker 3: Thank you guys. 176 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 1: All right, that's La County Deputy District Attorney John McKinney, 177 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 1: who would like George Gascone's job, and of course he's 178 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 1: one of many running in next March is primary and 179 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 1: of course another good choice as many of them are. 180 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 1: And anybody but Gus gone. We'll talk more. We come back. 181 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:52,080 Speaker 1: Johnny KENKFIAM six forty live everywhere iHeartRadio apps. 182 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:56,080 Speaker 4: You're listening to John and Ken on demand from KFI 183 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:57,200 Speaker 4: AM six forty. 184 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:00,560 Speaker 1: All right, so now we know what is just LA 185 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 1: County District Attorney George Gasconna is destroying the criminal justice 186 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:06,360 Speaker 1: system in the county. It's also a number of La 187 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 1: County Superior Court judges. We will tell you that twelve 188 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:14,839 Speaker 1: La County cities later on Friday have announced a lawsuit 189 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 1: trying to block the return of zero bail. They are Arcadia, Artisia, Colvina, Downey, Glendora, Industry, Lakewood, Laverne, Palmdale, 190 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 1: Santa Fe Springs, Vernon, and Whittier. We talked to Mayor 191 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:31,079 Speaker 1: joven and Thieri earlier in the show. You can pick 192 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 1: it up on demand on the podcast. You want to 193 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 1: hear what he said to us at the top of 194 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 1: the show at one o'clock. The difficulty here is that 195 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 1: the lawsuit would ordinarily go to La County Superior Court, 196 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 1: where the nobail decision came from. So there is apparently 197 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 1: a request that maybe Orange County Superior Court here. I 198 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:54,719 Speaker 1: don't know how that would work, but it is a 199 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:57,720 Speaker 1: hearing coming up on Wednesday. Nature it's a huge conflict 200 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 1: of interest here, But how can Orange County Superior Court 201 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 1: have any jurisdiction over Ellie County Superior Court. Well, you 202 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:06,880 Speaker 1: just you need to go to a state court. 203 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 2: That would I mean, could you have to move into 204 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 2: a neutral court I think is what they're looking at, 205 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:15,720 Speaker 2: a court that doesn't have a stake in the decision. Yeah, 206 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:18,559 Speaker 2: that's right, But well you're gonna have Samantha Jesner or 207 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 2: Lawrence Riff rule on the on the legality of their 208 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 2: own order. 209 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 1: But can Orange County Superior Court reverse a ruling from 210 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:30,720 Speaker 1: another county. I don't think it works like that. 211 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 2: Well, I guess if they identify that there's been some 212 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:37,719 Speaker 2: kind of legal mistake made, because if the argument that 213 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 2: the Whittier mayor was giving us that this was done 214 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:45,440 Speaker 2: without much notice, right among others, Well, it was. 215 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:47,560 Speaker 1: A decision that a judge made a few months ago, 216 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 1: and then about a month after that, they announced that 217 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 1: they were going to put together a new bail schedule. 218 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:55,959 Speaker 1: And then I don't know when it was they announced 219 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:58,319 Speaker 1: October first, who would come into effect? It was not 220 00:12:58,400 --> 00:12:58,840 Speaker 1: long ago. 221 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 2: You know what it's done. And this is what the 222 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:07,559 Speaker 2: the activists have educated those on their side to identify 223 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 2: the offices that no one pays attention to. And I've 224 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 2: read that this was an intentional act. And in the internet, 225 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 2: social media era, it's very effective is to get people 226 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:23,080 Speaker 2: to focus on a specific race that much of the 227 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 2: public takes for granted or maybe doesn't even notice. Good 228 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 2: example is district attorney's race. Right, You're just most people 229 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:34,560 Speaker 2: are not engaged in a race like that, and often 230 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:38,600 Speaker 2: a candidate can win reelection over and over again simply 231 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:40,960 Speaker 2: because they're in the incumbent. I mean, Steve Cooley had 232 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 2: a string of wins like that, not that he didn't 233 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 2: deserve it, but it's easier when you're an incumbent. Gascone 234 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 2: took advantage of a weakened candidate who's under attack by 235 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 2: Black Lives Matter, and there was a lot of organized 236 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 2: forces and money behind him and his agenda. And it 237 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 2: is the George Soros money. And this also worked in Chicago, 238 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 2: that's worked in Philadelphia, worked in New York City, in 239 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:12,080 Speaker 2: a number of places. And that's why all these cities 240 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:14,440 Speaker 2: at the same time are going to hell, because each 241 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:17,080 Speaker 2: one of them got a district attorney in the same 242 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 2: time frame. It was all funded by these activist groups 243 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 2: George Soros all back. 244 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 1: In twenty twenty, pretty much when the whole uproar started 245 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 1: after the George Floyd shooting. 246 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 2: I know, one of the one of the worst episodes 247 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 2: in American life is when Black Lives Matter thinking started 248 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 2: pervaded district attorney's offices. Because because you can't live like this, 249 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 2: you can't live without a judicial system that works properly, 250 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 2: without a police force that's completely funded, without a without 251 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 2: a prison system, a jail system, a bail system. Everything 252 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 2: that the country is built on so we can have 253 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 2: an orderly, safe life is now being dismantled. I say 254 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 2: this every day, But there are four here that want 255 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 2: to take a complete wrecking ball to the comfortable way 256 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 2: we live. And they are doing it, and they're doing 257 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 2: it by you know, they got to the judges here, 258 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 2: They got to the Samantha Jesner and Lawrence Riff and 259 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 2: these two were lying in wait waiting for their moment, 260 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 2: and they got a case and they ruled on the case. 261 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 1: And now they're justifying this new. 262 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 2: And they're doing it in the middle of a crime wave, 263 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 2: a terrible prime wave that we see every night on television. 264 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 2: Tell me that they're not intentionally trying to destroy our 265 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 2: way of life. What would they do differently? If you 266 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 2: wanted to destroy our way of life without using weaponry, 267 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 2: what would you do differently? 268 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 1: You'd get rid of the. 269 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 2: Prison system, the jail system, the bail system. You'd have 270 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 2: a district attorney not prosecute ten thousand cases. You'd start 271 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 2: letting murderers out even if they've been convicted to life 272 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 2: without parole. 273 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 1: All right, we got more coming up to KIM six forty. 274 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 1: We're live everywhere iHeartRadio app. 275 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 4: You're listening to John and Ken on demand from KFI 276 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 4: AM six forty. 277 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 2: Were on the radio from one until four and then 278 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 2: after four o'clock you listen to the Johnny Ken on 279 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 2: demand podcast. We have a couple of interviews which really 280 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 2: you ought to spend some time with. Tonight, we spoke 281 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 2: with kN Clinkin Broomer and Brittany Lindsey that's the mother 282 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 2: and fiance of Deputy Ryan Clinck and Brmer who is 283 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 2: gunned down by that crazy person in front of the 284 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 2: Palmdale shriff station a few weeks ago. And then we 285 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 2: had John McKinney, who's running for District Attorney against Gascone, 286 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 2: and he was talking about the zero bail policy. That insanity. 287 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 2: So I want to listen to this stuff because you, 288 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 2: I mean, you got to keep track of this. We're 289 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 2: the only show. We're only the only media outlet show 290 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:57,520 Speaker 2: newscast that covers this stuff, which which is why we're 291 00:16:57,520 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 2: in the state we're in. 292 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 1: It's not even covered, all right, Well, who wants to 293 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:08,479 Speaker 1: go for a helicopter ride over Catalina and will shoot 294 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 1: deer from the helicopter. Well, that's the plan. The Catalina 295 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 1: Island Conservancy, the nonprofit that manages ninety percent of the island, 296 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:23,920 Speaker 1: says that the mule deer that are roaming, supposedly there's 297 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:26,639 Speaker 1: more than two thousand of them. The mountains of Santa 298 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 1: Catalina Island have apparently become so invasive. They're devastating all 299 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:37,919 Speaker 1: sorts of plant life on the island. They are disrupting 300 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:41,679 Speaker 1: and sometimes attacking people's pets. They're coming into conflict with 301 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 1: people and pets all the time. So they have proposed 302 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:48,119 Speaker 1: a plan to fish and wildlife that there be a 303 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 1: helicopter sharpshoot to kill two thousand of the deer. Two 304 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 1: there's probably there's probably more than two thousand. I said 305 00:17:56,600 --> 00:17:58,640 Speaker 1: two thousand total, and that's just the number they want 306 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:05,679 Speaker 1: to kill. Sounds fun, Maybe they'll be prizes. In fact, 307 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:08,480 Speaker 1: Debora Mark, there is this part of the story. The 308 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:10,159 Speaker 1: deer are not doing too well. A lot of them 309 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:13,200 Speaker 1: end up starving to death. There's just not enough water 310 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 1: or food for them, and they have multiplied in incredible numbers. 311 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 1: So they walk around completely emaciated. And there's one lady 312 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 1: in the story that says, it's terrible. We find the 313 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 1: carcasses all the time. They were not killed. They would 314 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:28,119 Speaker 1: just die because of they couldn't eat. Catalina is like 315 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:32,400 Speaker 1: the island to death. They killed thousands of goats, thousands 316 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 1: of feral pigs. They killed a lot of bison, hundreds 317 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 1: of bison. Did you see that part in the story 318 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:42,399 Speaker 1: that apparently the bison started there because of a movie 319 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:45,400 Speaker 1: shoot in like the nineteen twenties. Yeah, the crew eventually 320 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 1: they multiplied, but they had too many bison. They had 321 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 1: to kill them off too well. 322 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 2: They'd started out with fourteen bison, and you imagine that 323 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 2: in breeding. 324 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:55,480 Speaker 1: Huh Okay, So there's. 325 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 5: No animal rescue group or some organization that could set 326 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:03,119 Speaker 5: up something in Catalina and a take care of these 327 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 5: these animals that are so sick, that are dropping dead 328 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:10,399 Speaker 5: and prevent something so radical is getting in a helicopter 329 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 5: and shooting these animals. 330 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 6: I mean, that just seems so barbaric. 331 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:16,400 Speaker 1: And they're going to leave the carcasses where they where 332 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 1: they got shot. They're not going to pick them up 333 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:19,920 Speaker 1: or move them, or they're just going to rot. The 334 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 1: vultures are going to come. I feel like we're. 335 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:25,160 Speaker 6: Living in a third world, so weird. 336 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 1: Intense grazing by deer has placed increasing stress on native 337 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 1: plants paved the way for the spread of highly flammable 338 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 1: invasive weeds such as look this one up, the. 339 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 2: Flax leaf broom. Oh that's bad, but that means fires. 340 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:41,880 Speaker 2: That's the problem with that. 341 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 1: So that worries people there that if the deer eating 342 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 1: up all the helpful vegetation, the weeds are growing, they'll burn. 343 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:51,679 Speaker 1: So says here. They feast on home gardens, they attack pets, 344 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:54,920 Speaker 1: they become entangled in lawn chairs and soccer nets. There's 345 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 1: just too many of them. 346 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:58,040 Speaker 6: Let's sterialize them, now. 347 00:19:57,880 --> 00:19:59,679 Speaker 1: Debra, you could take a boat over there and put 348 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:01,880 Speaker 1: them on the boat. Oh yeah, maybe bring them back 349 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:03,160 Speaker 1: to the mainland to a sanctuary. 350 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:05,640 Speaker 2: You know, a lot of this is man made because, 351 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:09,919 Speaker 2: like the bison, the deer came to the island in 352 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 2: the nineteen thirties. They were trying to increase the wildlife 353 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 2: and they wanted to create a hunting. 354 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:17,679 Speaker 5: Okay, so you know what, Now, look what's happening. So 355 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 5: they need to fix this problem without murdering because they 356 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:24,120 Speaker 5: whomever started it, they need to fix. 357 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:25,240 Speaker 6: Well, they're probably. 358 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 1: Remember that good old idea that you put out food 359 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 1: that has uh that neuters them. That basically something that 360 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:36,399 Speaker 1: might that kills them calls their parts to falls off. 361 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 1: I don't know if that actually works. I've heard of 362 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:42,439 Speaker 1: that possible solution in other places. Chemical castration is what 363 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 1: it would be. Then you stick it and like some food, right, 364 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 1: they just take it, orally they eat and their parts 365 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:51,640 Speaker 1: fall off. They don't well, oh, they just become infertile. 366 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 1: I don't think their parts fall. 367 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, and then there's there's scattered parts all over Catleena. 368 00:20:57,160 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 2: The male deer's sperm fails to fire off. I guess 369 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:05,880 Speaker 2: ar fifteen style rifles. They're gonna be leaning into the helicopters. 370 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 6: There has to be a better solution. 371 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:11,680 Speaker 1: Two thousand of them, and you're right, Debro. A lot 372 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:15,119 Speaker 1: of residents don't want this. They're asking fish and wildlife 373 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:18,520 Speaker 1: not to okay this plan from the conservancy people to 374 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:21,640 Speaker 1: kill all the deer with the sharp shooting from a helicopter. 375 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 2: They're also not going to be happy with the result. 376 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:27,439 Speaker 2: If the deer are running amuck and all the all 377 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 2: the plant life is eaten up. Yeah, and you're gonna 378 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:32,720 Speaker 2: end up with dead deer all over the place. 379 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:34,680 Speaker 5: An why they need to They need to figure out 380 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 5: some sanctuary there on Catalina. Sterilize them so that we 381 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:41,399 Speaker 5: don't have more. And let's just let the deer that 382 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 5: are still alive, let them enjoy the rest of their life, 383 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:46,080 Speaker 5: and then everybody will be happy. 384 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:50,359 Speaker 1: The end you've been you can already hunt the deer 385 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:53,040 Speaker 1: on Catalina. Hunters are allowed to take about two hundred 386 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:55,480 Speaker 1: deer a year, but they say that's not enough. Each 387 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:57,640 Speaker 1: dough produces two fonnds. 388 00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 2: Every year, just off the limit to four hundred. But oh, 389 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:06,200 Speaker 2: they're gonna they're gonna kill all the mommies, all the mommies. 390 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:07,240 Speaker 1: Well, you've never seen Bambi. 391 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 6: Yeah, I was traumatized by bam. 392 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 1: I have never seen that. 393 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:13,880 Speaker 6: I don't see it. It's very sad. 394 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 5: I've heard about it all my life to this day, 395 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:19,359 Speaker 5: I can't watch it again. 396 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 1: And as you would guess, visitors come and they throw 397 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:25,480 Speaker 1: them French fries and hot dogs and candy. Yeah, look 398 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 1: at that, turning deer into meat eaters. Deer liked the 399 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:32,440 Speaker 1: salt found in cat food but that lacks vitamins and 400 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:35,920 Speaker 1: can lead to bloating and fatal digestive disorders. And because 401 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:38,960 Speaker 1: they're they're herbivores, they're not used to eating, and cat 402 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 1: food sometimes has meat and stuff in it. 403 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:42,639 Speaker 2: So well, there's no way all these species would ever 404 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:45,879 Speaker 2: naturally appear obviously on an island like this, right, No, 405 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 2: it was it was human beings. And one hundred years 406 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:51,080 Speaker 2: ago when they did this, bringing bie and bringing deer, 407 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:52,359 Speaker 2: people didn't know any better. 408 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 1: They just everybody just did things. They didn't think of 409 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:56,679 Speaker 1: any consequences. 410 00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:58,160 Speaker 6: Can we do a protest? 411 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 2: I thought you liked those days, John, because that's how 412 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:01,960 Speaker 2: you get like those days? Why do we always trying 413 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 2: to fix things and change things? People just did things. 414 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:06,200 Speaker 1: You just do things, all right? We got to live. 415 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:10,520 Speaker 1: There's ninety bison left, so the conservacy no longer promotes 416 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 1: them an advertising campaign, so they're not going to kill 417 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 1: the bison. 418 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:16,919 Speaker 2: But today it's the mule deer that is the problem. 419 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:18,919 Speaker 2: Right now, Well, how don't they get rid of it? 420 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 2: Because they was they did bison hunting. Oh so they 421 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:25,600 Speaker 2: did do hunting. Oh yeah, they killed off right. Well, 422 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:28,919 Speaker 2: there's been a lot of death and shooting going on 423 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 2: huh Man. 424 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 1: There was a whole list of all the animals they've 425 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,360 Speaker 1: had to eradicate over the years off of catalina because 426 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:39,159 Speaker 1: they become too invasive. There's too much damage being caused. 427 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:41,360 Speaker 1: And it's about the people. I don't think they're killing 428 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 1: off the people though. 429 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 2: We got more coming up Towny KENKFI AM six forty 430 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 2: Live everywhere. 431 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app By. 432 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 2: The way, I stole your car during last news break. 433 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:55,360 Speaker 2: How it's great love convertibles. 434 00:23:56,320 --> 00:24:00,400 Speaker 4: You're listening to John and Ken on demand from KFI. 435 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:07,399 Speaker 2: I'm running into people are very proud they got their vaccine. 436 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,520 Speaker 1: Well, you used to get the flu though every year too? 437 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:13,359 Speaker 1: Are you going to get the shots I think I'm 438 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:14,400 Speaker 1: gonna dodge that one too. 439 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:19,639 Speaker 2: You can get tired of being injected, tired of strangers 440 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:22,240 Speaker 2: sticking needles into my body. 441 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:25,960 Speaker 1: I don't know what's in those needles. Uh, you're right 442 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:30,679 Speaker 1: to take the horse tranquilizer. What's that called? Yeah? No, no, no, 443 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:34,000 Speaker 1: the no, the one that people were using to treat COVID. 444 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:39,960 Speaker 1: Oh iver him? No, I want rank that's the source sedative. 445 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,159 Speaker 2: Oh that will knock you out, It'll be falling off, 446 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:44,640 Speaker 2: that's yeah. 447 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:48,879 Speaker 1: Losing sores, rotted wounds. Well, you know, this was a 448 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 1: TV show that was on for a while, Remember to 449 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:55,480 Speaker 1: Catch a Predator, and uh it spawned people. The show 450 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 1: is no longer on the air. It was about catching 451 00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:02,640 Speaker 1: people that were obviously looking to have sex with underage children, 452 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,959 Speaker 1: you know, the Jeffrey Epstein's of the world. Even though 453 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 1: the show's not anymore, people still do this. And a 454 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:13,480 Speaker 1: guy who called himself Boupac Shakur I guess did a 455 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:18,359 Speaker 1: take off on Tupac Boupoc real name Robert Wayne Lee 456 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:22,200 Speaker 1: apparently had a following of sixty thousand on Instagram and Facebook. 457 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:24,919 Speaker 1: And what he would do He would pose as a 458 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 1: fifteen year old girl to in trap men to want 459 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:32,399 Speaker 1: to have sex with him. Well, he went to a 460 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:36,600 Speaker 1: restaurant this is in Michigan Friday night around ten thirty pm, 461 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 1: and he confronted two guys at a table. One was 462 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:41,920 Speaker 1: only eighteen, the other was seventeen, and he accused the 463 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:46,080 Speaker 1: eighteen year old of being a pedophile. Things got nasty 464 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:48,919 Speaker 1: and then one of the two young people pulled out 465 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:51,960 Speaker 1: a gun and killed him. So Bootpack is no more. 466 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:57,000 Speaker 2: Uh, that's really a stupid thing he did and what 467 00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:58,040 Speaker 2: do you think is going to happen? 468 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:01,439 Speaker 1: You can put think people, but that's how you get views. 469 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 1: You go there and take the video as you confront them. 470 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:06,000 Speaker 1: That's what to Catch a Predator did, which was pretty 471 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 1: captivating television when I used to see that show every 472 00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:11,399 Speaker 1: now and then, Like some of the guys whould just 473 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 1: walk into the the reporter would be in the kitchen. 474 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:16,040 Speaker 1: He'd say, well they would. Some would run away, but 475 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:19,280 Speaker 1: some wouldn't. Some would stand there just kind of shrugging. Right, yeah, 476 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,440 Speaker 1: is there is there a thirteen year old from me here? Yeah? 477 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 1: They must have taken some security measures though the oh yes, 478 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:28,879 Speaker 1: you're right. 479 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:31,240 Speaker 2: The TV show people, right, Oh you're right, they're probably 480 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:32,960 Speaker 2: a guys with guns waiting in the next room. 481 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, there has one sideways. There had to be something 482 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:37,840 Speaker 1: to that because oh, yeah, this guy's just doing this 483 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,119 Speaker 1: on his own, because some of these probably goes in 484 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,160 Speaker 1: there with his phone to take a video of him 485 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:43,199 Speaker 1: confronting the guys. 486 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:47,320 Speaker 2: And the kind of guys who would do this kind 487 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:49,879 Speaker 2: of stuff. You know, you've got to you've got to 488 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 2: do some just like common sense is that they're probably 489 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 2: they could be violent in some way if they're going 490 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:01,120 Speaker 2: after a young girls that that they've got a lot 491 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:01,920 Speaker 2: of spurs loose. 492 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:05,600 Speaker 1: I know, and I guess you could make the case 493 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,399 Speaker 1: that an eighteen or seventeen year old going after a 494 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:12,359 Speaker 1: fifteen year old is that I don't know. Obviously it 495 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 1: is under eight sex, but it's not like a forty 496 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 1: five year old man trying to entrap a teenage girl. 497 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:21,679 Speaker 2: Because when they did that show on TV, it was 498 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:24,960 Speaker 2: in an enclosed area and NBC would have been in 499 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,800 Speaker 2: complete control of the environment. And I don't know what 500 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:29,719 Speaker 2: they did because it must have crossed their minds day 501 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,040 Speaker 2: what happens if one of these guys pulls out a 502 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,159 Speaker 2: gun and start shooting, right Because you get convicted of 503 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,959 Speaker 2: these trimes, you could be in prison for decades right now. 504 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,480 Speaker 2: Used to be that way, and so I never thought 505 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:40,760 Speaker 2: of that. 506 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:44,919 Speaker 1: The sheriff in Oakland County, Michigan this is said that 507 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,480 Speaker 1: this guy was a one man crusade. He did lead 508 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 1: to the arrest and criminal charges being filed against several men, 509 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 1: although there was at least one time he mistakenly identified 510 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 1: someone as a sexual predator who was not. So again, 511 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:00,080 Speaker 1: they're trying to make the case that you have to 512 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,359 Speaker 1: be careful. If you're going to do this kind of thing, 513 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:08,200 Speaker 1: you really put yourself in play. Yeah, dangerous, dangerous play. 514 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 1: I think I'd rather confront the shoplifter than somebody's going 515 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:13,520 Speaker 1: to be accused of being a pedophile, right, Yeah. 516 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:15,520 Speaker 2: Well he's also doing this for his own ego to 517 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:19,119 Speaker 2: become famous. You know, he didn't have to make it 518 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:25,880 Speaker 2: a running series on social media, but we got conway here. 519 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 7: You know, hey, I heard you guys talking about Catalina 520 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:30,679 Speaker 7: where they're going to go over and kill everybody and 521 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 7: the deer and everybody, thousands of deer. Yeah, I did 522 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:37,120 Speaker 7: some research. We're trying to get this guy on. There's 523 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 7: a group of a thousand vegans and vegetarians who are 524 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:43,960 Speaker 7: trying to raise money to save those deer, you know, 525 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:45,520 Speaker 7: like a Deborah mark one. 526 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:50,520 Speaker 1: Is it really so? But they've got an interesting idea. 527 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 7: They're going to go over to Catalina, you know, to 528 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,920 Speaker 7: observe everything, and the helicopters are going to go up 529 00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:59,800 Speaker 7: and the vegans. Here's how the charity part of it works. 530 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,440 Speaker 7: The vegans are going to be running around the island 531 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:04,560 Speaker 7: and the guys in the helicopter are gonna shoot the 532 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:09,840 Speaker 7: vegansh with Farmer john sausages. And every time a guy 533 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,280 Speaker 7: gets hit with a sausage, he donates a hundred bucks. 534 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 1: It's a good game. 535 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:15,760 Speaker 7: You know, those little ones that mom and dad made, 536 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:17,560 Speaker 7: those little Farmer john sausages. 537 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,360 Speaker 2: I had a feeling halfway through this how long did 538 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:21,880 Speaker 2: they spend on they were legitimate? 539 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:23,720 Speaker 7: There were ninety eight cents for a dozen of those 540 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:27,320 Speaker 7: little sausages. Those were good, those were good eating. And 541 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,960 Speaker 7: then they came out with maple flavor. Oh bobo, you 542 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 7: want some vegan cake here? Oh my god, Oh my god? 543 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:38,160 Speaker 7: Is that before or after? Oh well it's been by 544 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:38,760 Speaker 7: many people. 545 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 1: All right, so we're gonna do what. 546 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:43,480 Speaker 7: We have Powerball chit chat going on at one point 547 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:47,840 Speaker 7: zero four billion dollars. That's two night, and then we 548 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 7: have an emergency test to hit phones, radios, and TVs 549 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:53,040 Speaker 7: on Wednesday. 550 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:53,880 Speaker 1: That's gonna be a big deal. 551 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:58,520 Speaker 7: And plus the overuse of cannabis links to heart failure. 552 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:02,440 Speaker 1: Heart failure? About that? You hear that, Tim, Yes, gotta 553 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:06,120 Speaker 1: be careful. So you're on your way on my way out? 554 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:06,960 Speaker 1: Yeah you are. 555 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,160 Speaker 7: Yeah, you know what saved me from dying of a 556 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,160 Speaker 7: heart attack and smoking weed, having a kid because I 557 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,200 Speaker 7: got too paranoid and I quit all that crap. 558 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:14,880 Speaker 1: Look at that. 559 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:18,360 Speaker 7: Yeah, eighteen years ago, eighteen years ago, this Thursday. 560 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:23,120 Speaker 1: About that, No kidding, I had to I got too paranoid. 561 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:25,600 Speaker 7: I always thought if something happened or when I'm high, 562 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 7: I could never forgive myself. I always thought, you know, 563 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,160 Speaker 7: someone's gonna break in. I was too high to defend 564 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:33,160 Speaker 7: the family, so I quit. That's great logic, that's right, 565 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:34,640 Speaker 7: that's it. You know, everyone should have a kid. You 566 00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:36,560 Speaker 7: want to get off drugs, have kids. I don't think 567 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 7: that's the message said here. 568 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:39,719 Speaker 1: About someone besides yourself, right right? 569 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 7: If you want to stop smoking weed, get a bunch 570 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:43,280 Speaker 7: of kids. Once she moves out of the house, though, 571 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:46,480 Speaker 7: you'll be back, trust me. Yeah, good dog on the 572 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:48,080 Speaker 7: way back from dropping off at college. 573 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:50,080 Speaker 1: I'll be you know, high as a kite. The big party. 574 00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:51,960 Speaker 1: That's right, Conway's. 575 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:53,880 Speaker 7: Next big dog with you shot a kid? 576 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:54,600 Speaker 1: Everybody? 577 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:59,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, Brosier, Whi'm in the dog if I twenty four 578 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:00,120 Speaker 2: hour news. 579 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:02,600 Speaker 1: Hey, you've been listening to the John and Ken Show. 580 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,320 Speaker 1: You can always hear us live on KFI AM six 581 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,760 Speaker 1: forty one pm to four pm every Monday through Friday, 582 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:12,400 Speaker 1: and of course anytime on demand on the iHeartRadio app.