WEBVTT - Awards Shows are Inherently Queer 0:00:03.160 --> 0:00:06.920 Girl, do we need an anti revival starring Ice Spice? Like, 0:00:07.160 --> 0:00:16.000 come on, yeah, why not hard knock life. This is 0:00:16.040 --> 0:00:18.239 like a Virgin the show where we give yesterday's pop 0:00:18.280 --> 0:00:22.720 culture today's takes. I'm Rosdamo and I'm Fran Toronto and Fran, 0:00:22.880 --> 0:00:26.080 you officially live in New York City again. I'm here. 0:00:26.320 --> 0:00:29.640 You are a resident, yes, you, and I let me 0:00:29.680 --> 0:00:31.440 tell you. Let me tell the Virgins. You and I 0:00:31.600 --> 0:00:34.479 were we were scheduled to do something super fun and 0:00:34.560 --> 0:00:40.360 super New York yesterday. Um, we were going to you're laughing, right, 0:00:40.560 --> 0:00:44.000 I've got laughing at you. I'm just thinking thinking about 0:00:44.040 --> 0:00:49.360 how badly yesterday could have gone. And I'm also thinking 0:00:49.520 --> 0:00:54.440 about how I'm always right, Okay, dear Virgins. I bought 0:00:54.520 --> 0:00:58.680 Rose Sweeney Todd tickets for Christmas, um, for the two 0:00:58.680 --> 0:01:01.040 of us to go together for the new revival of 0:01:01.080 --> 0:01:05.320 Sweeney Todd on Broadway starring Josh Grobin and Annalie Ashford U, 0:01:05.640 --> 0:01:08.000 which is gonna be you know, we'll see, we'll see, 0:01:08.400 --> 0:01:10.960 because I thought it was on Sunday. I had texted 0:01:11.040 --> 0:01:13.039 Rose that it was going to be on Wednesday Wednesday, 0:01:13.080 --> 0:01:15.399 and Rose was like, no, no, I think you said 0:01:15.480 --> 0:01:17.520 it was on Wednesday, right, And I was like, no, no, no, 0:01:17.520 --> 0:01:20.040 it's definitely on the Yeah. I asked her multiple things, 0:01:21.840 --> 0:01:24.920 multiple times. It wasn't my fault. My ticketmaster confirmation was 0:01:24.959 --> 0:01:27.800 extremely confusing and it was an honest error. However, we 0:01:27.880 --> 0:01:31.200 did discover before we got dressed up. I mean you 0:01:31.240 --> 0:01:33.600 had put on make up, My face was done. I 0:01:33.680 --> 0:01:36.319 was about to put my outfit on, and I was 0:01:36.760 --> 0:01:39.160 thirty minutes from leaving. And you know me, you know 0:01:39.240 --> 0:01:42.080 I love to like leave early and go do something 0:01:42.200 --> 0:01:45.240 in the neighborhood before. So you could have caught me 0:01:46.120 --> 0:01:48.880 when I was already on the train, and baby, this 0:01:48.920 --> 0:01:52.560 recording would have not would have been real awkward have 0:01:52.680 --> 0:01:55.840 that happened. But look, I mean my suit was steamed. 0:01:55.880 --> 0:01:58.480 I was ready to go to suit. Yeah, I'm wearing 0:01:58.520 --> 0:02:00.160 I was wearing a little a little suit. It's like 0:02:00.200 --> 0:02:02.520 it's so cute. It's like a cute. It'll be even 0:02:02.640 --> 0:02:04.920 just as you said, like a matinee outfit is different 0:02:04.920 --> 0:02:06.920 from an evening outfit, but like I was not going 0:02:07.000 --> 0:02:10.480 to serve as hard as I will when we see it. Yeah, 0:02:10.520 --> 0:02:12.760 which I'm excited to see. But my outfit now is 0:02:12.880 --> 0:02:15.200 much better for an evening performance. I mean it's a 0:02:15.200 --> 0:02:18.079 it's a matenee suit because it's like kind of like 0:02:18.160 --> 0:02:23.240 springtime garden oversized garden kind of suit, like a garden attire. 0:02:23.840 --> 0:02:28.000 Is that is a means that's very down to ab Yeah, 0:02:28.000 --> 0:02:31.560 you know how like people just like a promenade, you know, 0:02:31.680 --> 0:02:34.560 like garden attire rose like you know, I don't get 0:02:34.600 --> 0:02:37.240 what that means where. But regardless, needless to say, we 0:02:37.320 --> 0:02:39.400 did not we're not. We did not see Sweeney Todd, 0:02:39.440 --> 0:02:41.360 So we're not going to be doing a Sweeney Todd episode, 0:02:41.360 --> 0:02:43.640 but we will be doing a Sweeney Todd up as 0:02:43.800 --> 0:02:48.680 soon after we see the show. To submit your questions, thoughts, concerns, prompts. 0:02:48.680 --> 0:02:49.919 What do you want us to talk about with that? 0:02:50.160 --> 0:02:52.720 Like a Virgin four twenty sixteen nine. So yeah, there 0:02:52.800 --> 0:02:55.640 is not much going on with a sort of like 0:02:55.800 --> 0:02:59.680 cultural immediacy for us to talk about. I we did 0:03:00.040 --> 0:03:02.720 realized that there is a bunch of new music that 0:03:02.840 --> 0:03:07.200 we have been enjoying that we have not discussed on 0:03:07.240 --> 0:03:09.040 the show yet. So we're going to do a little 0:03:09.680 --> 0:03:13.840 playlist check in today. Although first I want to talk 0:03:14.040 --> 0:03:17.600 briefly about Cocaine Bear, which I saw it last week. 0:03:17.720 --> 0:03:21.520 Oh right, I a movie that I probably won't see 0:03:21.919 --> 0:03:24.720 but I wanted to see. So, you know, let me 0:03:25.080 --> 0:03:27.960 to tell me about your experience. It's exactly what you 0:03:27.960 --> 0:03:30.600 think it's going to be. Right, It's fun, it's dumb, 0:03:31.120 --> 0:03:36.400 it's much better. It's a movie meant to be seen 0:03:36.880 --> 0:03:40.800 with an audience, you know, that really enriches the experience. 0:03:41.200 --> 0:03:44.040 I saw it at Alamo Drafthouse, so it was like, 0:03:44.640 --> 0:03:49.160 you know, food and like a bougie setup. Although the 0:03:49.200 --> 0:03:53.880 Alamo Drafthouse in Brooklyn the chairs don't recline, which is bullshit. 0:03:54.440 --> 0:03:58.080 I want to be eating my chicken tenders like fully 0:03:58.240 --> 0:04:01.200 horizontal when I eat in a theater. It's going to 0:04:01.280 --> 0:04:05.320 be a specific movie because like the I don't want 0:04:05.320 --> 0:04:07.200 to you know, I don't want to denigrate you know, 0:04:07.240 --> 0:04:11.080 independent theaters, but like the experience of like little food servers, 0:04:11.120 --> 0:04:13.000 like coming out with your little lights, like at the 0:04:13.040 --> 0:04:14.840 middle of the movie, and you're worried about your food 0:04:14.840 --> 0:04:17.280 the whole time. It's like very distracting. So it has 0:04:17.320 --> 0:04:20.680 to be a movie like Cocaine Bear. Yeah, yeah, I'd 0:04:20.680 --> 0:04:22.600 be like I do wish there were more movie theater 0:04:22.680 --> 0:04:26.560 options in Brooklyn, Like why isn't there an AMC Fort Green. 0:04:27.720 --> 0:04:30.520 We mean heartbreak would feel good in a place like that, 0:04:30.839 --> 0:04:33.039 it would. I mean A twenty four just bought the 0:04:33.240 --> 0:04:35.640 Cherry Lane Theater in West Village. Did you see that? 0:04:35.720 --> 0:04:40.479 Well that's in the West Village and I live in Brooklyn. Anyways, Okay, yeah, 0:04:40.560 --> 0:04:44.599 let's let's open our spotifies and talk about what we've 0:04:45.000 --> 0:04:49.040 been listening to. Feel like we could start with Caroline Policheck. 0:04:49.160 --> 0:04:51.280 That came out so long ago. Well, it came out 0:04:51.320 --> 0:04:54.880 on Valentine's Day, and I have basically been listening to 0:04:56.040 --> 0:04:59.760 Desire I Want to Turn Into You, Caroline Policheck's new album, 0:05:00.120 --> 0:05:04.960 NonStop since then. I you know, for as obsessed as 0:05:05.000 --> 0:05:10.599 I was with Pang, I surprisingly as she was releasing 0:05:10.720 --> 0:05:13.279 the singles for this album, which she did kind of 0:05:13.320 --> 0:05:17.440 over a very like protracted length of time, I wasn't 0:05:18.080 --> 0:05:20.440 listening to them a lot. I think I was really 0:05:20.480 --> 0:05:24.279 waiting for the full album experience. Although obviously I fucked 0:05:24.320 --> 0:05:27.920 with Bunny is a Rider hardcore. I needed to hear 0:05:27.960 --> 0:05:32.680 them all the music together in context, and it's such 0:05:32.720 --> 0:05:40.000 a good album. It's like so much it is very 0:05:40.000 --> 0:05:41.839 true to the essence of who she is as a 0:05:41.839 --> 0:05:45.320 singer and songwriter, lots of like weird whale sounds and stuff. 0:05:45.800 --> 0:05:52.920 But I think it's like a different It is sort 0:05:52.920 --> 0:05:56.760 of like graduated from Pang. It's like a different kind 0:05:56.800 --> 0:06:01.360 of vibe, like obviously graduated or like how it because 0:06:01.480 --> 0:06:04.680 I'm not like a Caroline palatecheck scholar. So I've listened 0:06:04.720 --> 0:06:07.240 to Pang obviously, but I didn't, like, I'm not a 0:06:07.279 --> 0:06:09.680 paying stand you know, I don't know that much about 0:06:09.880 --> 0:06:14.240 I would say, like, I think panyg is really ephemeral, 0:06:14.880 --> 0:06:17.840 and desire I Want to Turn into You feels a 0:06:17.880 --> 0:06:20.480 lot more grounded. It has a lot more sort of 0:06:20.520 --> 0:06:26.080 like physicality. I think UM paying is really so much 0:06:26.080 --> 0:06:32.520 about obsession and dreams and you know, like yearning and desire. 0:06:32.560 --> 0:06:35.640 I want to Turn into You is about desire. It 0:06:35.720 --> 0:06:38.440 is about fucking. It's like it feels so much more 0:06:38.480 --> 0:06:42.919 physical and so much like lustier. What's your favorite non 0:06:43.000 --> 0:06:49.400 single track? H Blood and Butter. I also love smoke Um. 0:06:50.480 --> 0:06:53.239 I'm gonna have to give it more listens. I've listened 0:06:53.240 --> 0:06:55.880 to it like twice. The album that is, and Uh 0:06:57.480 --> 0:07:00.240 and um Fly to You, the song with Dieta and 0:07:00.360 --> 0:07:05.360 Grimes is in credible. I did love that song. I 0:07:05.520 --> 0:07:08.960 um also I liked Bunny as a writer as well. 0:07:09.560 --> 0:07:11.200 I think that there are things about Welcome to My 0:07:11.200 --> 0:07:13.480 Island that are really great. Though I don't like the 0:07:13.720 --> 0:07:18.920 Charlie XCX remix. Like I believe I really good have 0:07:19.040 --> 0:07:23.440 the song Sunset muted on Spotify. It's so good do 0:07:23.600 --> 0:07:26.840 not And I honestly is it because it gets recommended 0:07:26.880 --> 0:07:30.600 to you a lot. It's it is, That's part of it. 0:07:30.640 --> 0:07:32.520 But I did hate it from Jump, I think because 0:07:32.520 --> 0:07:34.080 I was just like, oh, she's trying to get that 0:07:34.160 --> 0:07:37.240 Rosalia coin, like she's trying to get a little like 0:07:37.400 --> 0:07:41.000 kind of Spanish pasa doble. It just felt it didn't 0:07:41.080 --> 0:07:43.680 feel I liked that she was doing another genre. I 0:07:43.680 --> 0:07:47.520 think it actually fit within the world that Caroline has 0:07:47.600 --> 0:07:50.360 built and that she does transcend genre. She really does 0:07:50.480 --> 0:07:53.120 do a lot of different shit. I mean, even the 0:07:53.200 --> 0:07:55.680 opera song that she released like a few months ago 0:07:55.840 --> 0:07:59.040 was like fucking cool. But Sunset, I was just like, 0:07:59.520 --> 0:08:01.640 I did not I did not hear I did not 0:08:01.680 --> 0:08:03.640 really hear her on it. I did not really like 0:08:03.800 --> 0:08:06.280 the song. I think I love Sunset. I think it 0:08:06.440 --> 0:08:09.640 I think it works so well with her voice. Yeah, 0:08:09.640 --> 0:08:12.960 it does. Um. It was. It was kind of jarring 0:08:13.040 --> 0:08:16.440 because the other night, I and we'll get into this 0:08:16.960 --> 0:08:19.920 next I guess, um, the other night I might go 0:08:20.120 --> 0:08:22.880 to hook up music. Right now is Raven the new 0:08:22.920 --> 0:08:26.480 Kalila album. And I was hooking up with someone the 0:08:26.520 --> 0:08:28.400 other night. And you know, in Spotify, after you finish 0:08:28.440 --> 0:08:32.000 an album, it just kind of switches to like similar 0:08:32.080 --> 0:08:34.960 a similar vibe playlist or like music you've been listening to, 0:08:35.360 --> 0:08:38.840 So like this like sultry, sexy Kalila album ends and 0:08:38.880 --> 0:08:43.280 then it goes straight into sunset. It's like and it's 0:08:43.320 --> 0:08:47.719 just very not in the vibe. Um. Although the guy, 0:08:47.800 --> 0:08:49.160 the guy I was hooking up with, was like, who 0:08:49.240 --> 0:08:52.280 is this? I do not. I don't know. If Caroline, 0:08:52.679 --> 0:08:57.840 there's not very many Carol okay, a lot if Okay, 0:08:58.040 --> 0:09:02.640 most Caroline Palicheck songs fuck, but they are not fucking music, 0:09:02.960 --> 0:09:04.360 you know what I mean? Like I don't want to 0:09:04.360 --> 0:09:09.520 fuck to paying Yeah, I have, I don't want to 0:09:09.520 --> 0:09:12.240 fuck to Like I can't see anything on this album 0:09:12.280 --> 0:09:13.920 that I would fuck to. But that's not a death 0:09:13.960 --> 0:09:16.560 you know, that's not Yeah, not all music has to 0:09:16.559 --> 0:09:21.280 be fucking music, but Kalila fucking music which I know 0:09:21.480 --> 0:09:27.840 is true because last weekend on Friday night was it 0:09:27.880 --> 0:09:31.720 Friday One night last week I had someone over and 0:09:32.080 --> 0:09:34.960 put Kalila on and we hooked up while it was playing. 0:09:35.200 --> 0:09:37.240 And then a couple days later I went over to 0:09:37.280 --> 0:09:39.480 someone's apartment to hook up with them and they were 0:09:39.559 --> 0:09:43.439 playing Kalila. Look it's Brooklyn. It's yeah, it is Brooklyn. 0:09:43.520 --> 0:09:46.880 Everybody's fucking to this album. Um. I love Kalila. She 0:09:47.040 --> 0:09:51.160 is such like a creative directorial like genius and um, 0:09:51.400 --> 0:09:54.320 I can't wait for the remix album because her remix 0:09:54.360 --> 0:09:58.880 album for Taking Me Apart is so bomb, like so 0:09:58.960 --> 0:10:02.080 many cool Colla oberators on it as well, like Cupcake, 0:10:02.160 --> 0:10:07.080 Jungle Pussy, um I simone uh it. She just like 0:10:07.120 --> 0:10:11.080 has great taste in super indie, very queer black and 0:10:11.160 --> 0:10:14.680 brown like producers and music writers and so like whatever 0:10:14.720 --> 0:10:19.320 she does with like the Raven Remix is going to be. Yeah. 0:10:19.320 --> 0:10:22.959 I was so excited to see people like lsd xo XO, 0:10:23.000 --> 0:10:27.400 who produced Happy Ending on this album. She just Khalila 0:10:27.520 --> 0:10:31.720 just has immaculate taste, um in terms of who she 0:10:31.760 --> 0:10:38.160 works with, her visuals um and also selling people ps 0:10:38.240 --> 0:10:43.240 fives or whatever or like um um anytime she there's 0:10:43.280 --> 0:10:46.120 like a if you search like Kalila and like the 0:10:46.360 --> 0:10:49.600 um green emoji or whatever, it's like her every tour stop, 0:10:49.640 --> 0:10:52.959 it's her tweeting like uh DC, where do I get 0:10:53.000 --> 0:10:57.160 the green? Like Philadelphia, where do I get the green? Like? Um, Yeah, 0:10:57.240 --> 0:10:59.240 Khalila is just a real one. I kind of miss 0:10:59.280 --> 0:11:05.600 the era where Khalila, Um Davante Hines, Adam Bainbridge from 0:11:05.679 --> 0:11:09.000 Kindness and Solange we're all in like a group chat 0:11:09.040 --> 0:11:12.280 together and like they could still be. They could still be, 0:11:12.280 --> 0:11:14.680 they just don't talk about I mean, I've heard that 0:11:14.760 --> 0:11:16.960 there was a bit of a falling out between some 0:11:17.040 --> 0:11:20.240 of those creative minds. I don't know the faulty, but like, well, 0:11:20.280 --> 0:11:24.240 dev Hines is kind of often his own world. Yeah, 0:11:24.320 --> 0:11:27.679 you know, fucking every trans girl in like the Tri 0:11:27.800 --> 0:11:30.960 State area. Yeah yeah. And Solange also just is a 0:11:31.040 --> 0:11:34.439 woman removed from society, Yeah, as she should be. Well 0:11:34.480 --> 0:11:36.880 that's that's what made when she got hacked and tried 0:11:36.920 --> 0:11:41.880 selling people PlayStations so jarring, right, because that's not really 0:11:42.360 --> 0:11:46.480 her tea. Um, have you listened to the new Paramore album? 0:11:46.600 --> 0:11:49.400 This is why I did. I didn't latch, I didn't 0:11:49.440 --> 0:11:51.079 latch onto it. I did listen to it all the 0:11:51.120 --> 0:11:54.360 way through. What did you think? It's good? It's very groovy. 0:11:54.600 --> 0:11:57.080 I don't. I don't love it as much as their 0:11:57.559 --> 0:12:03.120 UM last album, UM, What's after Laughter, which was kind 0:12:03.160 --> 0:12:06.560 of the one that really like, even though they have 0:12:07.040 --> 0:12:12.200 for the past couple albums kind of revitalized their sound 0:12:12.280 --> 0:12:14.920 a little bit, I think After Laughter was the one 0:12:14.960 --> 0:12:18.400 that was like really critically lauded, had some big singles, 0:12:19.000 --> 0:12:23.520 had a really nice like music video rollout is getting 0:12:23.880 --> 0:12:26.680 like critical acclaim or I think so. Yeah, I'm feel 0:12:26.679 --> 0:12:29.840 it's buzzy because it's like post Olivia Rodrigo, But I 0:12:29.880 --> 0:12:33.560 also I don't know what like actual Paramore stands Spiel. 0:12:33.880 --> 0:12:37.160 I think so because it's like, um, it's very much 0:12:37.600 --> 0:12:42.640 the sort of classic Paramore like emo vibes, but through 0:12:42.840 --> 0:12:47.640 this like you know, seventies revival that's been going on 0:12:47.800 --> 0:12:51.120 in pop culture for the past couple of years. So 0:12:51.160 --> 0:12:54.920 it does feel like a little different for them, a 0:12:54.920 --> 0:13:00.520 little more low key, but in a good way. It's 0:13:00.600 --> 0:13:04.440 definitely I've listened to it a lot, but always in 0:13:04.480 --> 0:13:07.560 the background, and I haven't, as you said, I haven't 0:13:07.600 --> 0:13:12.199 like latched onto a lot of it yet. Outside of 0:13:12.880 --> 0:13:14.960 you know, the first single that they released, This is Why, 0:13:15.040 --> 0:13:17.400 which I do think is great, but I need to 0:13:17.440 --> 0:13:21.360 spend more time with the songs individually and do some 0:13:21.800 --> 0:13:25.680 active listening. Yeah, I haven't done a ton of active listening, 0:13:25.679 --> 0:13:28.600 but I do wish that just this most recent album 0:13:28.720 --> 0:13:33.319 was a little more emo and a little less like 0:13:33.760 --> 0:13:37.000 you know, the funky groovy seventies. Like, Yeah, I I 0:13:37.760 --> 0:13:42.080 I should give it another active listen. M Lana. However, 0:13:43.040 --> 0:13:49.520 I've been actively listening Babe Baby, and something shifted. Yeah, everything, everything, 0:13:49.559 --> 0:13:54.319 everyone moved it. I truly think it like there was 0:13:54.360 --> 0:13:57.560 a breach in the time space continuum that brought and 0:13:57.880 --> 0:14:00.320 w to us. This is the experience of being an 0:14:00.320 --> 0:14:04.120 American horror, which I have been saying to myself, like 0:14:04.679 --> 0:14:07.840 at random times. So I'll be like in my kitchen, 0:14:07.920 --> 0:14:09.880 like making a sandwich, and I'll just say to myself, 0:14:09.880 --> 0:14:12.280 this is the experience of being an American horror. Or 0:14:12.320 --> 0:14:14.800 I'll be like, I'll like miss the bus by two 0:14:14.960 --> 0:14:17.959 by about thirty seconds. This is the experience of being 0:14:17.960 --> 0:14:21.040 an American horror. I like, I like, was I like 0:14:21.080 --> 0:14:23.480 got my sandwich this morning? Was walking into the studio, 0:14:23.640 --> 0:14:26.440 my pork belly, peanut butter and jelly, and I thought, 0:14:26.560 --> 0:14:28.720 this is the experience of being an American horror T 0:14:28.840 --> 0:14:32.240 shirt idea. Um, let me tell you, I'm not a 0:14:32.280 --> 0:14:34.080 lot of stands. I'm gonna make a lot of stands mad. 0:14:34.120 --> 0:14:36.280 But like, I was not a Chemtrails girl. I was 0:14:36.360 --> 0:14:39.680 not a good honister. I'm so sorry. I did not 0:14:39.840 --> 0:14:42.280 like the most like the last two albums. I felt 0:14:42.320 --> 0:14:48.000 like they just all blended together, and I A and 0:14:48.160 --> 0:14:51.120 W felt just as you said, a shift. I love 0:14:51.200 --> 0:14:54.280 songs that have like sharp turns, songs that are like 0:14:54.400 --> 0:14:56.880 split somewhere in the middle to like turn into like 0:14:56.960 --> 0:15:01.000 morph into something else. Say, I love in Lana break 0:15:01.080 --> 0:15:03.320 song format. I think it's when she thrives as a 0:15:03.360 --> 0:15:07.960 songwriter shco. But yeah, what the fuck is that? I 0:15:07.960 --> 0:15:12.240 don't know, but it's it's nonsense, but um, it's it's 0:15:12.840 --> 0:15:15.840 the experience of me and American horlan. Her lyrics are 0:15:16.120 --> 0:15:19.000 like it's a it's like a fucking slut algorithm like, 0:15:19.160 --> 0:15:23.120 but it also is, you know, her most personal album yet. 0:15:23.360 --> 0:15:28.480 I saw something. I saw that she She said something 0:15:28.520 --> 0:15:31.720 along the lines of that um in a in an 0:15:31.760 --> 0:15:35.920 interview she did recently. I think maybe with Rolling Stone that, um, 0:15:36.720 --> 0:15:38.640 you know, she a lot of what she heard from 0:15:38.640 --> 0:15:41.520 her fans is that they wanted more of her and 0:15:41.560 --> 0:15:43.800 her music, like they felt like they didn't know her. 0:15:44.200 --> 0:15:49.440 So these last couple albums, especially Blue Bandsters and did 0:15:49.440 --> 0:15:52.080 you Know There's Tunnel under Ocean Boulevard, are a lot 0:15:52.120 --> 0:15:57.720 about her family and she's you know, trying to be 0:15:57.840 --> 0:16:01.760 She's trying to be vulnerable and you know, expose herself more. 0:16:02.560 --> 0:16:04.600 Is um, did you know there's a tunnel also for 0:16:04.640 --> 0:16:07.000 this upcoming album or was it like an isolated no, 0:16:07.120 --> 0:16:09.360 it's for this album? Okay, Yeah, this is gonna be 0:16:09.360 --> 0:16:13.480 a good album. I'm so excited me too. We actually 0:16:13.600 --> 0:16:18.560 have a Lana del Ray episode coming up with Sean Fay, 0:16:18.760 --> 0:16:22.320 a Juicy Juicy episode of Juicy Guest, and it's gonna 0:16:22.320 --> 0:16:24.280 be incredible. And I'm you know that I would I 0:16:24.280 --> 0:16:26.640 would consider myself the lawna virgin out of the three 0:16:26.680 --> 0:16:29.080 of us. So yes, I do. I mean, I can 0:16:29.160 --> 0:16:32.360 hold my own in a Lana conversation. But I'm excited 0:16:32.360 --> 0:16:35.720 to hear from the stance. I've been there since day 0:16:35.760 --> 0:16:39.480 one and I will be there until I die. Did 0:16:39.520 --> 0:16:43.840 you like the Miley single Flowers. Okay, I think it's good, 0:16:44.320 --> 0:16:47.920 but I think it's a psi op because like the 0:16:49.160 --> 0:16:53.880 way that it is the biggest single she's ever had, 0:16:54.040 --> 0:16:56.160 It's been on top of the charts for weeks. It's 0:16:56.200 --> 0:17:02.800 like a worldwide phenomenon. It's, oh girl, it's huge. It 0:17:02.880 --> 0:17:05.879 does not It's a good song, but it doesn't have 0:17:06.320 --> 0:17:09.360 a reason to be as massive as it is. It's 0:17:09.359 --> 0:17:13.040 giving Paola. The reason to me is like it's like 0:17:13.280 --> 0:17:17.960 post breakup comeback kind of era. And she also has 0:17:17.960 --> 0:17:21.520 a new creative director choice of Bonds ex. Jacob Bigs 0:17:21.640 --> 0:17:24.840 or whatever his name is um and who I think 0:17:24.960 --> 0:17:27.119 is amazing. And I think that the creative direction for 0:17:27.280 --> 0:17:30.840 Flowers is actually fucking cool. So I do. I do 0:17:30.920 --> 0:17:33.879 think that it's just like Miley and her team fighting 0:17:33.920 --> 0:17:36.399 an excuse to like do something creative, to try to 0:17:36.440 --> 0:17:38.479 do something fresh and new. But I agree with you 0:17:38.520 --> 0:17:42.440 that Flowers specifically just felt like a TikTok play. It's 0:17:42.560 --> 0:17:48.640 It's the course itself is extremely like TikTok. It's a Flowers. 0:17:48.920 --> 0:17:51.520 The notion that the kind of like a we should 0:17:51.560 --> 0:17:54.280 all just like do things for ourselves and trust ourselves 0:17:54.280 --> 0:17:57.080 and like you're all you need is like extremely TikTok 0:17:57.119 --> 0:18:02.520 culture uniqu u nick um. It just it. It really 0:18:02.920 --> 0:18:07.240 is just giving Paola, like someone paid to have it 0:18:07.320 --> 0:18:09.639 be number one on the chart, someone paid to have 0:18:09.680 --> 0:18:13.720 it on every Spotify playlist. I don't get it. Someone, though, 0:18:13.720 --> 0:18:16.560 who I do think deserves all the buzz they're getting 0:18:16.640 --> 0:18:20.000 right now is Ice Spice, who I really like. I 0:18:20.080 --> 0:18:23.680 was aware of her as a cultural figure for very 0:18:23.720 --> 0:18:27.280 long before I actually listened to the music, and now 0:18:27.280 --> 0:18:31.119 I'm so into it. I mean that um boys a 0:18:31.200 --> 0:18:35.200 liar that song, I mean obviously pronounced liar. It's pronounced 0:18:35.240 --> 0:18:40.640 it's pronounced leah like you like can't escape it. It's 0:18:40.640 --> 0:18:43.680 like in every TikTok I watch um and so I 0:18:43.680 --> 0:18:46.040 eventually had to like watch the video and listen to 0:18:46.080 --> 0:18:48.960 the song, and it's fun. I really like Ice Spice. 0:18:49.119 --> 0:18:51.439 I will. I love Ice Spice too. Her performance in 0:18:51.480 --> 0:18:53.879 the video is like you're like, oh, you're like a 0:18:54.000 --> 0:18:56.440 new star, you know what I mean, She's just kind 0:18:56.440 --> 0:18:58.960 of there. I think she's I think she's still she. 0:18:59.400 --> 0:19:02.399 It's it's an interesting thing with Ice Spice, specifically that 0:19:02.480 --> 0:19:04.560 I'm not trying to say in a pejorative way, where 0:19:05.200 --> 0:19:08.680 your fame precedes the full formation of us a star, 0:19:08.760 --> 0:19:12.160 and I feel like Ice spices also figuring out who 0:19:12.240 --> 0:19:16.439 she is in tandem with her morality. Right, Yeah, you 0:19:16.480 --> 0:19:18.920 know what's not gonna help is that she was just 0:19:19.160 --> 0:19:23.520 um trapped at the Kardashian West home this weekend. Why 0:19:25.400 --> 0:19:28.440 one of my one of my mutuals tweet Um, there's 0:19:28.480 --> 0:19:30.800 a video of her with all the with all of 0:19:30.880 --> 0:19:35.680 Kim's kids, And someone tweeted a video of Um, I'm 0:19:36.280 --> 0:19:40.720 of Annie, of the movie Annie. Um, I know I 0:19:40.760 --> 0:19:47.359 think I'm gonna like it. Wait, I just I really 0:19:47.480 --> 0:20:07.639 got the cadence of that wrong. Dear virgins, Rose and I, 0:20:07.800 --> 0:20:10.800 We're not like you know, Awards Gaze, you know what 0:20:10.840 --> 0:20:12.640 I mean. We're not like we're not like you know, 0:20:14.160 --> 0:20:18.880 streaming every Awards show, like hawking the nominees, like making predictions. Um, 0:20:18.920 --> 0:20:23.520 but Awards shows are like inherently queer and yet surprisingly 0:20:24.400 --> 0:20:28.919 surprisingly anti caweer. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm 0:20:28.960 --> 0:20:31.520 being facetious because this is like how all music critics, 0:20:31.560 --> 0:20:34.640 I mean, how all movie critics I know, And well, 0:20:34.800 --> 0:20:36.640 I mean that's the thing is, like, we are not 0:20:36.800 --> 0:20:41.159 Awards girls, and we're also not really critics, but at 0:20:41.200 --> 0:20:45.200 certain points on our timeline, we've had to be awards girls, 0:20:45.200 --> 0:20:48.320 because if you work in media, you know you have 0:20:48.400 --> 0:20:50.800 to the night of the Oscars. You're like in a 0:20:50.880 --> 0:20:54.840 war room story in real time, like making sure you're 0:20:54.880 --> 0:20:56.960 the first to get the meme, the first to get 0:20:56.960 --> 0:21:00.360 the whatever. Yeah, do you miss? I mean? I mean 0:21:00.400 --> 0:21:04.000 I usually still am the first, even if i'm That's 0:21:04.040 --> 0:21:06.000 the thing is when award shows happen, even though I 0:21:06.000 --> 0:21:09.679 don't watch them, I'm usually still on Twitter catching all 0:21:09.720 --> 0:21:12.240 the important moments and getting my memes in because it's 0:21:12.280 --> 0:21:14.800 like that's what you do. It's fun. It's it's like 0:21:14.880 --> 0:21:16.640 part of the fun. And I think that it's like 0:21:16.760 --> 0:21:19.119 the things that we will remember are the things that 0:21:19.320 --> 0:21:22.359 translated to the Internet, which is like you know, Adele 0:21:22.440 --> 0:21:25.840 de Zeme or like really bad Oscar wins or like 0:21:26.080 --> 0:21:31.119 um just things that like feel viral. M. Yeah, but 0:21:31.200 --> 0:21:33.679 I'm not really like a I'm not really like an 0:21:33.680 --> 0:21:37.679 Award show um expert, so to speak. Neither am I 0:21:37.840 --> 0:21:42.199 and I'm not. I'm not a person who feels like 0:21:42.880 --> 0:21:47.160 especially with the Oscars, I don't see every Best Picture nominee. 0:21:47.200 --> 0:21:49.600 I don't care. We have talked about this before. I 0:21:49.640 --> 0:21:52.439 am much more of a populist movie girly. I like 0:21:52.640 --> 0:21:59.400 movies over films for the most part, and I like 0:21:59.680 --> 0:22:04.080 this sort of ephemera that exists around awards season, but 0:22:04.160 --> 0:22:09.600 I don't care about the awards themselves. And honestly, at 0:22:09.640 --> 0:22:12.800 this point every year, I'm like, please, God, let this 0:22:13.000 --> 0:22:15.199 end so we can stop talking about these movies, like 0:22:15.480 --> 0:22:18.160 with something like everything everywhere, all at once. It came 0:22:18.160 --> 0:22:22.200 out last Spring, so we've been talking about this movie 0:22:22.560 --> 0:22:27.360 for almost a year now. It is exhausting. Just give 0:22:27.440 --> 0:22:30.520 MICHELLEO the Oscar already, so we can shut up about 0:22:30.520 --> 0:22:33.000 this movie that in the year since it came out, 0:22:33.040 --> 0:22:35.919 I have kind of like, you're like, you're over it. 0:22:36.040 --> 0:22:39.000 I'm over it. Like it was good, let's leave it 0:22:39.040 --> 0:22:42.080 at that. You resent things that are over exposed a 0:22:42.160 --> 0:22:44.679 lot of the time, I feel especially I do, and 0:22:44.840 --> 0:22:49.000 especially because the thing is, if it had a shorter life, yeah, 0:22:49.200 --> 0:22:52.440 I would have been able to enjoy it and move on. 0:22:52.760 --> 0:22:55.440 And since we have now lived with that movie, especially 0:22:55.440 --> 0:22:58.919 for so long, I think my issues with it have 0:22:59.040 --> 0:23:01.960 been able to flourish, and that I don't think it's 0:23:02.040 --> 0:23:07.320 as good as it's lauded as and so I'm just like, please, like, 0:23:07.520 --> 0:23:11.760 let's let this go. M Yeah, is there anything like 0:23:11.800 --> 0:23:14.320 in this US in this year's Oscar season that you 0:23:14.400 --> 0:23:17.360 are excited for? Or maybe if it's not a film, like, 0:23:18.480 --> 0:23:20.760 are there any yatar? Are there any cool performances there, 0:23:20.800 --> 0:23:25.480 anything who's slated to perform. I have absolutely no idea. 0:23:25.640 --> 0:23:29.520 I want to know the only things that I was. Okay, 0:23:29.600 --> 0:23:32.520 let's let's at least talk about the Best Picture nominees. 0:23:32.880 --> 0:23:34.679 Let's go go through and give a little take on 0:23:34.680 --> 0:23:36.880 all of them. Top Gun Maverick one of the best 0:23:36.920 --> 0:23:39.560 films of twenty twenty two. I had so much fun 0:23:39.640 --> 0:23:43.800 seeing it. I think Hold my Hand should win Best Song. Um, 0:23:43.840 --> 0:23:47.200 I probably will. It could because it's not gonna be Rihanna. 0:23:48.080 --> 0:23:51.800 That song fucking sucks. I'm I'm so mad at her. 0:23:52.160 --> 0:23:55.280 I cannot believe she'd I mean, actually, it's probably not 0:23:55.320 --> 0:23:57.600 her fault. I'm mad at Black Panther. No, I'm mad 0:23:57.640 --> 0:24:02.040 at her. It was in her control. That song. That 0:24:02.119 --> 0:24:06.600 song sucks. Um. Then there's women talking, which I haven't seen. 0:24:07.240 --> 0:24:10.480