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Speaker 1: come on, yeah, why not hard knock life. This is

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Speaker 1: like a Virgin the show where we give yesterday's pop

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Speaker 1: culture today's takes. I'm Rosdamo and I'm Fran Toronto and Fran,

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Speaker 1: you officially live in New York City again. I'm here.

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Speaker 1: You are a resident, yes, you, and I let me

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Speaker 1: tell you. Let me tell the Virgins. You and I

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Speaker 1: were we were scheduled to do something super fun and

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Speaker 1: super New York yesterday. Um, we were going to you're laughing, right,

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Speaker 1: I've got laughing at you. I'm just thinking thinking about

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Speaker 1: how badly yesterday could have gone. And I'm also thinking

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Speaker 1: about how I'm always right, Okay, dear Virgins. I bought

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Speaker 1: Rose Sweeney Todd tickets for Christmas, um, for the two

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Speaker 1: Sweeney Todd on Broadway starring Josh Grobin and Annalie Ashford U,

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Speaker 1: which is gonna be you know, we'll see, we'll see,

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Speaker 1: because I thought it was on Sunday. I had texted

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Speaker 1: Rose that it was going to be on Wednesday Wednesday,

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Speaker 1: it's definitely on the Yeah. I asked her multiple things,

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Speaker 1: multiple times. It wasn't my fault. My ticketmaster confirmation was

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Speaker 1: extremely confusing and it was an honest error. However, we

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Speaker 1: did discover before we got dressed up. I mean you

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Speaker 1: that happened. But look, I mean my suit was steamed.

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Speaker 1: just as you said, like a matinee outfit is different

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Speaker 1: Is that is a means that's very down to ab Yeah,

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Speaker 1: did not we're not. We did not see Sweeney Todd,

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Speaker 1: So we're not going to be doing a Sweeney Todd episode,

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Speaker 1: but we will be doing a Sweeney Todd up as

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Speaker 1: soon after we see the show. To submit your questions, thoughts, concerns, prompts.

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Speaker 1: What do you want us to talk about with that?

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Speaker 1: Like a Virgin four twenty sixteen nine. So yeah, there

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Speaker 1: is not much going on with a sort of like

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Speaker 1: playlist check in today. Although first I want to talk

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Speaker 1: briefly about Cocaine Bear, which I saw it last week.

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Speaker 1: Oh right, I a movie that I probably won't see

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Speaker 1: been listening to. Feel like we could start with Caroline Policheck.

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Speaker 1: That came out so long ago. Well, it came out

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Speaker 1: I'm not like a Caroline palatecheck scholar. So I've listened

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Speaker 1: to hook up music. Right now is Raven the new

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Speaker 1: Everybody's fucking to this album. Um. I love Kalila. She

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Speaker 1: the era where Khalila, Um Davante Hines, Adam Bainbridge from

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Speaker 1: Kindness and Solange we're all in like a group chat

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Speaker 1: dev Hines is kind of often his own world. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's that's what made when she got hacked and tried

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Speaker 1: selling people PlayStations so jarring, right, because that's not really

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Speaker 1: UM last album, UM, What's after Laughter, which was kind

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Speaker 1: it your number one? Or is Top Gun your number one? No?

421
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:19,320
Speaker 1: Tar is my number one, even though Top Gun is

422
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:21,760
Speaker 1: the best movie ever created or whatever. The no. I

423
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:24,399
Speaker 1: don't I don't think I don't know. I said it

424
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 1: was one of my favorite movies of twenty two. I

425
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:32,920
Speaker 1: love Tar. I think it's incredibly acted, directed, written. It

426
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:37,479
Speaker 1: like captures the moment we're living in so perfectly in

427
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 1: a way that I don't know. Well, I guess in

428
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,200
Speaker 1: a way that maybe Triangle of Sadness from what I've

429
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:45,040
Speaker 1: heard about it does from a different way. But I

430
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 1: just think Tar is beautiful, perfect, stunning. Elvis one of

431
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:53,720
Speaker 1: the worst movies I've ever seen. Literally, I wanted to

432
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:57,520
Speaker 1: vomit the whole time. Austin Butler is like phenomen in

433
00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:01,159
Speaker 1: this movie as a performer, But the movie on the country,

434
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:04,479
Speaker 1: it's terrible. It's like on the construction level is terrible,

435
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:09,119
Speaker 1: and Tom Hanks is terrible. Yea, it should not be

436
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 1: in this list. But let me tell you best film

437
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:17,240
Speaker 1: of twenty twenty. Best film in the Oscar nominee Pile

438
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 1: Rose and I agree, is all quiet on the Western front? Right?

439
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:25,479
Speaker 1: That movie? Damn, it's definitely a movie, right, I like,

440
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:29,480
Speaker 1: I hate war movies, and that's I thought it was

441
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 1: like a Western No. Um, it's a remake of like

442
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:37,159
Speaker 1: another Oscar. Another Best Picture, isn't it based on a book?

443
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:39,200
Speaker 1: Isn't it all quiet on the western front of book?

444
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:41,399
Speaker 1: It's probably a book, but it was. There was a

445
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 1: movie in like the nineteen twenties. It's a remake of

446
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:46,680
Speaker 1: of the Best Picture winner from like nineteen twenty something.

447
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,679
Speaker 1: Every year, every year at the Oscars, you have to

448
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 1: have a war movie in there. It's got to be

449
00:26:52,080 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 1: like Dunkirk or save it saving private war movie, blockbuster movie, biopic, yeah, biopicum,

450
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 1: either a Jewish movie or a movie about Hollywood or both.

451
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:07,160
Speaker 1: So The Fableman, which is the last, Yeah, the one

452
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,160
Speaker 1: we haven't talked about yet and which I haven't seen,

453
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 1: but like somehow The Fableman's has become a gay twitter thing.

454
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:15,879
Speaker 1: A bunch of a bunch of people I follow have

455
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 1: like tweet about it NonStop. That and The Whale, which

456
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 1: was not nominated for Best Picture, but Brendan Fraser was

457
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 1: nominated for Best Actor. That meme of him floating into

458
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:31,160
Speaker 1: this car, however, is that should be nominated for something? Um,

459
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,199
Speaker 1: Everything everywhere all at once also fulfills like the underdog

460
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 1: kind of archetype. But it's not an undergo anymore at

461
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:40,120
Speaker 1: this point, like it was. That's that is I think

462
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,399
Speaker 1: one of the things that's become annoying about it is

463
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,439
Speaker 1: that it's still being talked about as if it's like

464
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 1: this scrappy little movie, and yet it has had this

465
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:53,400
Speaker 1: massive press and industry push for a year. Now. You okay,

466
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 1: we're a little we're a little divided on everything everywhere

467
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 1: all at once. However, you and I do have the

468
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 1: same kind of um impulse with cultural stuff like this.

469
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:06,160
Speaker 1: That's like slightly it like derives from like our indie

470
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 1: I think probably indie snobbery or whatever, where when you

471
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:12,119
Speaker 1: love something, or when I love something and it feels

472
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:15,479
Speaker 1: so new, so fresh, like so special, and then everyone

473
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 1: else catches onto it, it just it's it doesn't feel

474
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 1: special anymore. But that's not the movies. It's not it's

475
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 1: for me. It's not about everyone catching onto it. It's

476
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 1: not a like, oh, this movie used to be cool.

477
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 1: It's not about that. It's like the overexposure to me

478
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 1: highlights that it's not as good as it's being lauded as.

479
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 1: And I feel like I'm not living in the same

480
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 1: universe as everybody else. I'm living in the multiverse. In

481
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 1: the multiverse, yeah, although I will say in the multiverse

482
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 1: movies that came out last year. It is. I prefer

483
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 1: much prefer it over Doctor Strange. I even prefer it

484
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 1: over that Spider Man movie that everyone loved, which I

485
00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 1: also like. On reflection, don't think is as good as

486
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 1: you know we all said it was. Do you have

487
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 1: like favorite Oscar wins in history, whether it's like best

488
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 1: actress or best anything. No, I don't care about shit

489
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 1: like that, Okay, but I do love a Ladya Coleman

490
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 1: going Lady Gaga acceptance speech Lady Gaga because she was

491
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 1: so gooped um speaking of Gaga, her singing that musical

492
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 1: medley What year was that? Oh? From the Sound of Music?

493
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 1: So that was at the twenty fifteen Oscars. It was

494
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 1: a tribute to the Sound of Music. Julie Andrews came

495
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 1: out and it was It came at such a pivotal

496
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:37,479
Speaker 1: moment in Gaga's career because she was It's like that

497
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 1: tweet about Christia Aguilera, she was at her lowest, fat, nasty,

498
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 1: and broke. Lady Gaga came on that Oscar stage mad

499
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 1: as hell because pre that she was in her flop

500
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 1: era post art pop she was she was doing American

501
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 1: Horror Story and then she came out and did that

502
00:29:55,880 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 1: Sound of Music medley, and it totally revitalized her and

503
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 1: recontextualized her, and it introduced a different version of her

504
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 1: because it was her proving her singing chops, her acting chops.

505
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 1: She tore that shit up. Recontextualized is the word. Like

506
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 1: she was like in case you forgot, I am a

507
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 1: rock star, but I'm also a star star. And I

508
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 1: think the star was born. And I don't think people

509
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 1: took her into consideration as a serious actress um let

510
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 1: alone someone who would show up at the Oscars and

511
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 1: take it seriously for lack of a better word, just

512
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 1: like because people underestimate Gaga write her off as this

513
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 1: like you know, shock value pop star at least your point,

514
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 1: You're so right, and that it is. It is a

515
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 1: thing that made specifically Hollywood people take her seriously. Ah

516
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 1: And I just remember being like, what the fuck? Like

517
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 1: she nailed. I think I cried. I'm pretty sure I cried. Honestly,

518
00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 1: this is pretty This is kind of silly, but it

519
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 1: reminded me a lot of when Amy Adams did That's

520
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 1: how you know it? Did she do? Was that the

521
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 1: song that she did from Enchanted It reminded you of that.

522
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 1: It did because Amy, by that point like she had

523
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 1: been I think she was, she was already nominated for

524
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 1: an Oscar, but like she wasn't the star that she was,

525
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 1: and I think enchanted felt like a silly Disney movie.

526
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 1: And then she got up there and did I think

527
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 1: two musical numbers and nailed them, and I was like, oh,

528
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 1: Amy Adams is like way more than just an actress,

529
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like it felt pivotal for her,

530
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 1: and similarly to how it did Forgot. Have you ever

531
00:31:55,760 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 1: practiced a fake Oscar acceptance speech? Um? Not not practiced

532
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 1: out loud, No, but yeah, I constantly envisioned what my

533
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 1: Oscar speech would would be. Who would you think I

534
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 1: would not thank anybody. I would tweet my thanks out

535
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 1: after and they would spend my speech on a message

536
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, that's who I am. I don't know, virgins,

537
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 1: if you could hear my eyes, I mean, I'll e

538
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 1: my words if I ever do, you know, get into

539
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 1: the Academy world. But like, because I know there's so

540
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 1: much diplomacy and politic around thanking people in speeches and

541
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 1: that it's something you really have to do. But like

542
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 1: I just think you have you know, it's an economy

543
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 1: of words, right, you have a limited amount of time.

544
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,479
Speaker 1: I don't want to spend it rattling off like a

545
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 1: list of people. I'd much rather tweet that after and

546
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 1: spend you know, my time on this platform talking about

547
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 1: what I want to talk about and and and and

548
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 1: doing that in a way that wouldn't be like cloyingly

549
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 1: like like activisty, like it would be like sweet, and

550
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 1: it would talk about my life in the context of

551
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 1: who I am. And yeah, I think that's what I

552
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 1: would do. What do you what about you? You you've practiced?

553
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 1: I would sing the theme song from The Nanny and

554
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 1: then walk off stage and yeah, they would take out

555
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 1: one of those big canes. Yeah, like um, yeah, Jared

556
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 1: Letto pulls the cane out. Oh not Jared Letto, sorry,

557
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 1: he won't bring him up. He was the first transphobic

558
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 1: person I could think. Well, that's another thing with the oscars,

559
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 1: as you know, like the legacy of men who have

560
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 1: played trans women and one awards for doing so, which okay,

561
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 1: I mean we can talk about, but like not to

562
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 1: blow up your spot. Before we got onto the mic,

563
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 1: I did find out in real time that you did

564
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 1: not like When My Hair FANTASTICA No, I hated it.

565
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 1: Crazy to me, I'm so, I think it's a bad movie.

566
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 1: I okay, I I mean totally totally fair. I don't

567
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 1: think it's like a movie that like everyone is required

568
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 1: to like. I thought it was so incredible, and I

569
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 1: thought that you would like it because it's like moody,

570
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 1: weird and also like fabulous slash surrealist. And I thought

571
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 1: that surrealism would appeal to you. But um, you know

572
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,799
Speaker 1: it's it's not. Everybody's teed. I love that movie though,

573
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 1: And a trans woman in a trans role, which is cool. Yeah,

574
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:26,240
Speaker 1: it should have been Jared Letto, Eddie Redmain, Eddie Redmain

575
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 1: my sister. But Eddie has since then gone on the

576
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 1: record to say he regrets doing it, which is cool,

577
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 1: is it? I mean, it's better than it's like these guys.

578
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 1: These guys always say they regret it, but it's not

579
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:41,839
Speaker 1: like they give their oscars back. Oh, it's very Danny.

580
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 1: It's very Darren Chris being like I will no longer

581
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 1: be playing anymore gay roles, and it's like, good for you, Um,

582
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 1: you've done this seventeen hundred times. Um. In terms of

583
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 1: like Oscar snubs. The first that come to mind are

584
00:34:56,320 --> 00:35:00,839
Speaker 1: Tony Collette for Hereditary, j Loo for hus Slurs, which

585
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 1: would be a career I think the non would be

586
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 1: a career win. Do I think she should win? No,

587
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,400
Speaker 1: but she doesn't nomination because she should have been nominated

588
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 1: for Selena. Let's be real and so, and she's never

589
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 1: going to get nominated for an Oscar again. No, that's

590
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 1: the thing. It was her one shot. It also was

591
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 1: like the one Okay, this is mean, but like it's

592
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 1: like the one actually good movie she's been in in

593
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 1: ages like second act terrible. Um, I watched had Fun,

594
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:34,319
Speaker 1: I watched Shotgun Wedding terrible, like we watched Marry Me terrible, Mary, Mary, Okay,

595
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 1: oh you enjoyed Marry Me? What was What was something

596
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 1: that you enjoyed specifically from that movie that it was

597
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:45,319
Speaker 1: dumb and fun? I liked it. It was honestly if

598
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 1: I can't remember if we talked about this Virgins, but

599
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 1: we had a Gallantine's last year where we watched Rose.

600
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 1: I and Ash, our friend Ash watched Marry Me and

601
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 1: we were so stoked to watch it, and five minutes

602
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 1: in we were like, oh wow, this is bad like

603
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 1: good bad, and then we immediately we were exactly it

604
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 1: was exactly what I expected it to be. Dumb Jaylo romantic,

605
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 1: I thought it. I thought it at least hook me, though,

606
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 1: because dumb romcoms can still hook me and marry me.

607
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 1: Did not, I think because Owen Wilson made absolutely no

608
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:23,400
Speaker 1: sense in that movie. I think Owen Wilson is super sexy.

609
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 1: I want to lick his nose. I do too, but

610
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 1: not for Jlo, Like why does why why does Jlo

611
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:30,919
Speaker 1: have to fall in love with all of these kind

612
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:34,359
Speaker 1: of like schleppy, mumblecore white guys, Like why can't she?

613
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 1: I mean I wanted her to stay with Maluma. Maybe

614
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 1: in the sequel. Yeah, maybe in the sequel. Um, okay,

615
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:44,799
Speaker 1: sorry any any Oscar snobs that you're thinking of. No,

616
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 1: I don't care. I don't care who wins awards. It

617
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 1: doesn't matter, Yeah, it doesn't. It doesn't matter. I mean,

618
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 1: that's the thing that we're I know that's not an

619
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:55,399
Speaker 1: interesting answer, but it's also not truly I truly could

620
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 1: care less. It's also obviously not an interesting take, right that,

621
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,359
Speaker 1: Like you know, institution like don't matter, right, but it's

622
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 1: true like these like these norms like biggest snobs. It's

623
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 1: like the stars probably don't care, Like I'm sure they care,

624
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 1: but it's like depending on which one it is to me,

625
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 1: the wins are less to me, The winners are less

626
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 1: interesting than the Oscars industrial complex itself and just the

627
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 1: whole business around awards, movie awards, TV awards. I mean

628
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 1: this is as people who have been part of this

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Speaker 1: studios tech companies in the world, and so like have

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Speaker 1: been on both sides of it. And it just is

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Speaker 1: a machine that runs all day, every day, all or

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Speaker 1: like as soon as as soon as the Oscars are over,

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Speaker 1: we'll start prepping for you know what, the Emmys, which

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Speaker 1: will be in the fall. And it's just like the

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Speaker 1: next thing is just around the corner. It never stops.

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Speaker 1: It's exhausting and it is and it like, when you

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Speaker 1: stop to think about it, it's all just about money.

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Speaker 1: Like these awards exist so that these movies will be

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Speaker 1: seen by more people. It's not about the craft, it's

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Speaker 1: not about celebrating art. It's all capitalism. Like living in

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Speaker 1: LA when I lived there. All you see when you're

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Speaker 1: driving around or for your consideration, signs everywhere, like I mean,

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Speaker 1: oscar parties everywhere, like FYC, like you know, gatherings everywhere.

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Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, it just is. It's a machine that

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Speaker 1: never stops, and it's hard to be even somewhat close

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Speaker 1: to it and not feel incredibly jaded about it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I think honestly, the Andrew Riceboro is that her name?

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Speaker 1: And yeah, that rice Boro stuff is like indicative of

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Speaker 1: the things that we're talking about. It's like oscar campaigners,

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Speaker 1: like press girlies, like people that work on awards season

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Speaker 1: year round. Are I mean, they're not evil, but they

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Speaker 1: possess the powers of the devil like they are, Like

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Speaker 1: they're braver than the Marines, but for evil. Yes, doing

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Speaker 1: lines of coke ten thirty am before they send out

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Speaker 1: their press releases. Actually no, not ten thirty What am

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Speaker 1: I saying? They're sending it out at six EVA. No

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Speaker 1: one works harder than pr glies and it's why they

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Speaker 1: are some of the most some of the best, but

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Speaker 1: also most insufferable people. Insufferable people on the planet. And

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Speaker 1: that's the only reason like the Andrew Riceboro stuff is

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Speaker 1: controversial is that all these Oscar campaigners that like spend

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Speaker 1: a ga jillion dollars doing these kind of like chicken

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Speaker 1: dinners about fucking green book or whatever, like you know,

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Speaker 1: also are like mad that someone who did a something

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Speaker 1: of a that's something that's being called a as roots

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Speaker 1: like Oscar campaign, but really is just famous people texting

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Speaker 1: each other and being like, hey, tweet about this, yes,

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Speaker 1: which is like it's a different mode of doing it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: But like I it's it's just interesting, like the politic

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Speaker 1: and like what is allowed with an Oscar campaigning. Like

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Speaker 1: I honestly like would love to do a deep dive

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Speaker 1: episode with someone who really knows what it's like inside

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Speaker 1: the beast, like I would I would read the shit

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Speaker 1: out of an article about Award season. Okay, we have

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Speaker 1: to talk about the one part of Award shows that

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Speaker 1: I definitely make sure I know what's going on with,

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Speaker 1: which is the fashion the red carpets, which are kind

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Speaker 1: of always disappointing. I mean, you know, it's like Margot

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Speaker 1: Robbie wearing her millionth horrible Channel dress though apparently her

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Speaker 1: Chanel contract is ending soon. It's better before the Barbie

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Speaker 1: Press tour other because that is gonna she needs to slay. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that slay and she has not she has not been slaying. Um.

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Speaker 1: You know. Some of my favorite Oscar outfits are obviously

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Speaker 1: the weird ones, like the York's Swan dress or Celine

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Speaker 1: Dion wearing the backwards suit, which I've seen some TikTok

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Speaker 1: fashion girlies recreating recently. There's a really maybe you should

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Speaker 1: wear your suit backwards to Sweeney Todd Oh, um, what

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Speaker 1: would you wear to the Oscars? Who would you wear?

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Speaker 1: And don't say something dumb. I was gonna say Prada, Prada,

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Speaker 1: Da Dada. I don't know, do you know already? Because yeah,

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Speaker 1: I would want to wear maybe archive muglaire oh archive

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Speaker 1: mcglare is really it's all about archival fashion. I would

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Speaker 1: love to wear, um, Richard Quinn like a head to

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Speaker 1: toe floral print or something like that, or do you

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Speaker 1: follow I'm bad bitch tongue tongue the tongue tongue dresses. Um,

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Speaker 1: It's like the he designs a lot of like um

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Speaker 1: a really structural like black span X, the outfits that

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Speaker 1: have who spilt into them, and like, uh, some of

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Speaker 1: these dresses look like Octopie and look like it's like

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Speaker 1: a very cool designer that also does like chic kind

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Speaker 1: of almost campy stuff. Um yeah, a tongue tongue dress

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Speaker 1: would be really sick. I would also maybe want to

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Speaker 1: serve a tux moment, but like a really a really

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Speaker 1: fem touch. Yeah, a little Jodie Foster oversize, or maybe

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Speaker 1: like a Kristen Stewart kind of Kristen Stewart's recent Chanelle

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Speaker 1: red carpet looks have been real bad. Damn she also

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Speaker 1: trapped into channel contract? Is damn her? We have deliberate

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Speaker 1: our sisters from these channel contracts. Remember the year that

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Speaker 1: Anne Hathaway and James franco host of the Oscars Oscar host?

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Speaker 1: Who's your dream Oscar host? Don't see RuPaul, Billy Porter?

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Speaker 1: Don't say Billy Porter, I'll kill you. RuPaul would be great.

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Speaker 1: RuPaul would be RuPaul actually would be. Yeah, he would

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Speaker 1: be really good. I mean there are some things that

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Speaker 1: wouldn't work about Rube, but but it'd be so like

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Speaker 1: explaining what what yas means like fifteen years too late,

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Speaker 1: Like that's what it would all be. It would be

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Speaker 1: him being like and we will fight for marriage equality.

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Speaker 1: Lets yeah, rock the vote. Yeah, I rock the vote.

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Speaker 1: Um wait, there was actually someone that I was thinking

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Speaker 1: of recently who I was like, you would be fucking phenomenal,

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Speaker 1: someone who really is a catch all. And it's not MICHAELA. Jay.

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Speaker 1: It was someone I'll think about. I mean to deliver,

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Speaker 1: deliver Deli, Amy Adams, Nicky Blonsky. Nicky Blonsky should host

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Speaker 1: the Oscars period. Hi, it's Nicky Blonsky from the movie

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Speaker 1: Hair Spray. I am, as we all know, rewatching Ugly

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Speaker 1: Betty and she has an amazing cameo in an episode

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Speaker 1: playing Betty's rival at el Magazine. She's like a foil

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Speaker 1: for I don't remember that. I mean, there's so many

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Speaker 1: good We'll talk about this in our upcoming Ugly Betty episode.

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Speaker 1: Yeah's with Mark and Delicato. But there Adele had a

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Speaker 1: emeo like Lindsay Lohan, Lindsay Lohan, Christine Baranski, like it was,

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Speaker 1: it's just so much, so many. Vanessa Williams should host

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Speaker 1: the Oscars. That would be major, That would be so good.

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Speaker 1: A songstress like that, like a classic songstress who knows

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Speaker 1: how to host, would be phenomenal, which is Ellen should

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Speaker 1: just host the Oscars again. Ellen did an amazing job.

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Speaker 1: Ellen dead. Yeah, we really have no way of knowing roasts.

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Speaker 1: We really, we really don't know. We don't know. Um,

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Speaker 1: but yeah, no, I think that a lot of Ellen

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Speaker 1: should host and get slapped. Ellen. Every every Oscars host

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Speaker 1: from me from now on should get slapped. Who's hosting

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Speaker 1: this year? Is it? Is it a team of people?

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Speaker 1: I don't know, literally do not know, Not that it matters,

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Speaker 1: but I, um, if it feels like they're keeping that

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Speaker 1: information quiet, yeah, because for there for that person's own safety. Uh,

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be Jimmy Kimmel. Oh easy, he's fine. Um,

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Speaker 1: someone can still slap him though, that's the Yeah, someone

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00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 1: can still slap him. I mean he'll make Ellen can

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Speaker 1: slap him. Yes, Ellen will slap him. Um. Yeah, he's

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Speaker 1: definitely gonna there's Oh, it's gonna be so annoying. There's

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Speaker 1: gonna be so many jokes about the slap. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: gonna be real, especially from Jimmy Kimmel. Like it's gonna

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Speaker 1: be really annoying. How I mean, like, of course they

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Speaker 1: don't want to get into the slap discourse, but just

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Speaker 1: oh it sucks that that that we're stuck with that forever. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean it's the most controversial thing that's ever happened

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Speaker 1: at the Oscars. So you know, maybe ever on live

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Speaker 1: TV asipher maybe Janet Janet's booth. Yeah yeah, yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: kind of crazy to think Janet should slap Jimmy Kimmel

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Speaker 1: that now, that is the take. Um, Janet should host

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Speaker 1: the Oscars. Janet should host the Oscars. She should get

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Speaker 1: up there and just be like she's just like just

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Speaker 1: above a whisper the whole time, the whole time, the

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Speaker 1: whole time. Missus dow Fire should have watched that secture.

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Speaker 1: Let us know what's your favorite Best Picture winner of

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Speaker 1: all time? Will you be watching the Oscars with your girlies?

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Speaker 1: Do you? Who would you like to slap live on

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