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Speaker 1: On Saturday, November sixth, Big Red is back in the

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Speaker 1: building when the number one pound for pound boxer in

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Speaker 1: the game in the sports Biggest Star, Canelo Alvarez, returns

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Speaker 1: to Las Vegas, returns to traditional pay per view, and

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Speaker 1: returns to the Showtime family when he takes on KYLEB.

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Speaker 1: Plant historic all four championships at one hundred and sixty

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Speaker 1: eight pounds a unit undisputed title bout indeed on Brian Campbell,

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Speaker 1: Luke Thomas of Morning Combat here to set the stage

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Speaker 1: on the journey in the road that it took one

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Speaker 1: Canelo Alvarez to get to this point atop the world,

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Speaker 1: atop the sport, Luke, but entering a very interesting matchup

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Speaker 1: against KAYLEB Plant for that history I.

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Speaker 2: Mentioned, Cinnamon is back and he is trying to do

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Speaker 2: something at one hundred and sixty eight pounds that has

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Speaker 2: literally never been done before against an opponent like Kayleb Plant,

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Speaker 2: who some believe might be the guy to stop him

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Speaker 2: in his tracks. But that's not what we're here to

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Speaker 2: talk about today, as Brian indicated, We're here to talk

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Speaker 2: about the man who has developed into the position that

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Speaker 2: he finds himself.

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Speaker 3: On November six how we do it.

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Speaker 1: On Morning Combat, you know, our three day a week,

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Speaker 1: eleven am Eastern Time show. We're hitting the MMA boxing

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Speaker 1: the biggest stories and headlines, but we like to focus

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Speaker 1: on one fighter's rise. We've done it seven times in

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Speaker 1: the sport of mixed martial arts. Unfortunately, seven times the

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Speaker 1: person we've profiled has lost six times by stoppage. They

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Speaker 1: say it's a curse or it's real. History will define that.

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Speaker 1: But we're going to look at boxing for the first time.

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Speaker 1: At Canelo Alvarez, who I mentioned, Did we think he

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Speaker 1: was going to become a big time crossover start? Yes,

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Speaker 1: do we ever think number one pound for pound, I'm

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Speaker 1: not sure for division champion, I'm not sure we ever

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Speaker 1: thought he could be this great. But when we look

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Speaker 1: back on his journey, which started at age fifteen when

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Speaker 1: he turned pro after a short amateur career, we will

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Speaker 1: look at ten of his biggest fights that tell the

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Speaker 1: as a great champion.

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Speaker 2: He is an unbelievable story and to BC's point, a

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Speaker 2: surprising one. You can see flashes of brilliance from the

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Speaker 2: beginning of his time on showtime and even before that,

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Speaker 2: certainly after that, but what he has developed into is

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Speaker 2: something of a juggernaut and BC it just has to

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Speaker 2: be said, here is a guy who you can clearly

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Speaker 2: look at and not every time someone loses they learn.

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Speaker 2: We know the common phrase, you either win or you learn. Well,

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Speaker 2: that can be true, it's not often true. But in

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Speaker 2: the case of Canel Alvarez, he had some wins that

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Speaker 2: were close, they were not els. But what you can

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Speaker 2: say is after those fights he came out a much

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Speaker 2: different fighter. So he's got this pristine record, and he's

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Speaker 2: got the maturation and development of somebody who looks like

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Speaker 2: they took tough losses but actually didn't.

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Speaker 1: At thirty one years old, he has had a hell

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Speaker 1: of a career with one big name after another. We

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Speaker 1: know him, of course, the youngest of eight siblings born

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Speaker 1: in Guadalajara, Mexico. Seven of those siblings were boxers, All

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Speaker 1: seven were pros. Luke. He's by far the best of

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Speaker 1: of the order of birth. That's it. He came onto

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Speaker 1: the scene, Luke, and did win his first title twenty eleven,

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Speaker 1: a vacant one hundred and fifty four pound bout for

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Speaker 1: He would make four title defenses Luke, including against names

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Speaker 1: as much as Alfonso Gomez, Kermit Cinchron Shane Mosley. So

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Speaker 1: time he got wobbled by one poinch against Jose Miguel Coto,

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Speaker 1: there was expectations for action Mexican Independence Day weekend, Canelo

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Speaker 2: Was when you go back and listen, now, if you

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Speaker 2: watch Canelo, if you have if you take someone by

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Speaker 3: A thing of beauty. There was nothing Lopez.

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Speaker 2: they had to call this fight, they did it on

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Speaker 2: Canelo's credit, it wasn't just the body shots. His face

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Speaker 1: It would have been an assault if it kept going.

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Speaker 1: This may be a bad style matchup paper for me,

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Speaker 1: They went to the Alamo Dome and they filled that shit.

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Speaker 1: So there's no question here on the Canelo star value,

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Speaker 2: Austin Trout was to your point, not a dominant puncher

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Speaker 2: a difference for Canelo to solve that problem. Great movement

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Speaker 1: Maybe Texas forever was against him. By the way, when

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Speaker 1: And let's say one thing about Trout. Everything you said,

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Speaker 2: I remember watching this live on television being amazed at

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Speaker 2: this is the beginning, BC, but Canelo electing for the smoke,

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Speaker 2: Canelo electing to take on tough challenges. You may have

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Speaker 2: And what you can actually do is, if you wanted to,

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Speaker 2: starting from the Trout fight, fair enough, BC, you can

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Speaker 1: We'll get into it when he waited out triple jakes

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Speaker 2: Fair enough though, But there is a consistent thread all

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Speaker 3: No doubt.

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Speaker 1: All Right, Trout moves his wedding night with his fiance Taylor,

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Speaker 1: who was ringside to get this payday. And what Trout

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Speaker 4: Six.

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Speaker 3: I gave it before the seventh row.

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Speaker 1: I gave upon rewatch. I scored round two for Canelo

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Speaker 1: I gave round one, three, four, five, and six to

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Speaker 1: Trout five rounds to one in favor of Trout. At

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Speaker 1: All the rounds came with the classic debate of did

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Speaker 1: you like Trout's activity movement, constant jabbing to the body

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Speaker 1: fact that when Canelo did land. It was efficient, clean

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Speaker 1: And I thought the body work that Trout did in

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Speaker 1: Even the showtime announcers were favoring Canelo's power. Yes, there

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Speaker 1: were some rounds where Canelo's power trump's Trout's output. But Luke,

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Speaker 1: making him fight your fight, that's part of the scoring criteria.

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Speaker 3: He had a hard time cornering Trout.

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Speaker 2: As you can see, Trout his ring generalship, even on

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Speaker 2: had it four rounds to two, almost had it three

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Speaker 1: Things become well before we get there real quick. Even

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Speaker 1: whether you're scoring these for Canelo like the judges did

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Speaker 1: instance that Canelo is evolving as a defensive fighter. Luke Canelo,

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Speaker 1: especially at one fifty four, not known for quick footspeed.

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Speaker 1: That's why guys like Mayweather and Laura were always gonna

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Speaker 1: what would be a trope, a calling card in Canelo's

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Speaker 1: that as this fight's going on, he's picking things out

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, you would see the apex version

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Speaker 2: But again, there's just no denying I think even the

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Speaker 3: There was just way more volume from Trout, way.

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Speaker 2: More activity, way more I thought he was trying to

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Speaker 3: The power as more than that. But in terms of activity, well,

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Speaker 1: You can go close to the fire, but you can't

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Speaker 1: get burned. In round six, which I think was the

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Speaker 1: PAULI on the broadcast, Trout has to be careful spending

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Speaker 3: And you see how he set it up. He set

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Speaker 2: He goes inside, outside, inside, and then excuse me, outside, inside, outside,

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Speaker 2: and uh Trod just never saw it coming. The right

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Speaker 2: not an easy guy to knock down, No, at this

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Speaker 1: He was credit here. Whether you go extreme like me

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Speaker 2: How it was how it was played out, just don't

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Speaker 3: Okay, but you're.

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Speaker 1: all that stuff, But then seventy eight, seventy three and

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Speaker 2: Him after me that twelfth round he danced through half

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Speaker 2: But in boxing, where you are dealing with a more

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Speaker 2: If you're that far behind and you only have three minutes,

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Speaker 2: you're dealing with a known puncher at this point who

433
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Speaker 2: dropped you in the seventh round.

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Speaker 3: What can you do to meaningfully change the scales?

435
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Speaker 2: You would have to have the most insane level of

436
00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:35,320
Speaker 2: just accepting risk to do anything. You're kind of screwed

437
00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:38,000
Speaker 2: in that position, and I think you saw both fighters

438
00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:39,560
Speaker 2: kind of react to go to the scorecards.

439
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Speaker 1: This would be the beginning of Canelo Luke getting the

440
00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:44,800
Speaker 1: benefit of the doubt in close rounds, which either means,

441
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Speaker 1: oh it's because of his stardom. It happened to Oscar

442
00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:49,560
Speaker 1: de la Hoya too against you know, I Corte against

443
00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:51,520
Speaker 1: Prenell Whitaker, before you end up getting kind of screwed

444
00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:54,800
Speaker 1: against Trinidad. But I also think because Canelo is so

445
00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:57,520
Speaker 1: efficient as a counterpuncher when he does land and Luke,

446
00:18:57,560 --> 00:18:59,720
Speaker 1: according to Copybox, in this fight, he would land forty

447
00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:02,920
Speaker 1: three percent of his power shots. That wins over the

448
00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:04,440
Speaker 1: judges too at the end of the day. So when

449
00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:06,480
Speaker 1: I rescored this Luke, I scored it for trout upon

450
00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:08,360
Speaker 1: first watch, I was one of the few media members.

451
00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:10,359
Speaker 1: I rescored it at six rounds to six a draw,

452
00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:12,720
Speaker 1: but Canelo would win because of the one point extra

453
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Speaker 1: for the knockdown.

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Speaker 2: All right, so here's how I viewed it. I don't

455
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Speaker 2: remember how I scored it in real time. You were

456
00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:18,040
Speaker 2: obviously working on the boxing beat. I was merely watching

457
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Speaker 2: as a fan at that point. However, in watching it

458
00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:24,520
Speaker 2: this time, I find you and I are a little

459
00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:27,760
Speaker 2: bit apart on Canelo. I do think that the power

460
00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:30,320
Speaker 2: punching he does matters more than the volume of some

461
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Speaker 2: of his opponents. Obviously, rounds and circumstances will vary through

462
00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:35,399
Speaker 2: the Laura and the Triple G fights, but this is

463
00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:36,920
Speaker 2: a consistent theme, and we're going to talk about this

464
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Speaker 2: when we get to the Triple G fights.

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Speaker 3: We see, as you well know, for example, in the

466
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Speaker 3: second Triple g fight.

467
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Speaker 2: He got totally out jabbed, but what saved him in

468
00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:47,720
Speaker 2: the end ostensibly was all the body work and the power.

469
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Speaker 3: Punches he lands.

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Speaker 2: Lacking on volume, in particular behind the jab is a

471
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Speaker 2: consistent out of problem for Canelo, but something that consistently

472
00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:58,480
Speaker 2: materializes in the numbers. This fight is a great example

473
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Speaker 2: of it, where I don't think you could map the

474
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Speaker 2: overall volume in terms of what the stats showed for Trout,

475
00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:06,560
Speaker 2: but dude, you can hear the difference even on the broadcast. Yes,

476
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Speaker 2: when Canelo lands versus when Trout or Laura or whoever

477
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Speaker 2: else went.

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Speaker 1: Official scores one nineteen to one away, which is a

479
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Speaker 1: level one one fifteen, one twelve. Okay, there's some close

480
00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:17,880
Speaker 1: rounds in one sixteen, one eleven all for Canelo. Luke

481
00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:19,639
Speaker 1: pros and cons you kind of just alluded to it.

482
00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:21,960
Speaker 1: Canelo's got fight changing power at one fifty four, there's

483
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Speaker 1: no question after that. He's much better defensively and his

484
00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:26,920
Speaker 1: accuracy is great, but he did not have twelve round

485
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Speaker 1: full championship level stamina to be able to throw. That's

486
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Speaker 1: why I think you can argue Trout back in a

487
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Speaker 1: lot of these rounds. Canelo just did not throw enough punches.

488
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Speaker 1: He would learn that lesson from this fight.

489
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Speaker 2: What was the best but he did not throw enough

490
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Speaker 2: side from the seventh round right straight, what was the

491
00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:40,359
Speaker 2: best thing in your mind he did in this fight the.

492
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Speaker 1: Swivel defensively to just kind of show that even if

493
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Speaker 1: you have a speed advantage against him, you can't go

494
00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:47,160
Speaker 1: out it. You can't just just at will pick him apart.

495
00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:49,080
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to play chess with him. And when

496
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Speaker 1: you do at close range, as Laura, I'm sorry, as

497
00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:52,719
Speaker 1: Trout found out, you can pay the price. You can

498
00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:55,320
Speaker 1: pay the price for it. So major cons though against

499
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Speaker 1: Canelo about that. I thought he got the edge on

500
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Speaker 1: the score cards even though he didn't do enough work.

501
00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:02,080
Speaker 1: But Luke star Oh, he was massive now at twenty

502
00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:05,720
Speaker 1: two years old. And Floyd Mayweather, who had just been

503
00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:08,280
Speaker 1: the kingpin on this mass exodus for the Golden Boy

504
00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:10,600
Speaker 1: fighters to come from HBO to show Time. Once Floyd

505
00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:13,080
Speaker 1: signed that eight fight pay per view deal for Landmark

506
00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:16,440
Speaker 1: three hundred million money, just ridiculous. And after Floyd got

507
00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:20,000
Speaker 1: through Robert Guerrero, the paths started to cross for these

508
00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:22,879
Speaker 1: two to potentially meet and what on paper coming in

509
00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:25,000
Speaker 1: Luke was like, could this be the biggest fight of

510
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Speaker 1: all time?

511
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Speaker 4: Now?

512
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Speaker 1: This will go down as my favorite fight week. It's

513
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Speaker 1: my first Vegas trip of all time. It was the

514
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Speaker 1: most fun pay per view fight week I've ever been

515
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Speaker 1: a part of.

516
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Speaker 3: Think we met. Also, when you.

517
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Speaker 1: And I met for the first time, you were covering

518
00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:39,120
Speaker 1: that for Espie Nation was covering it for ESPN dot com.

519
00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:43,200
Speaker 1: September fourteenth, twenty thirteen. They called it the one. They

520
00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:46,399
Speaker 1: had an incredible press tour Floyd Mayweather and Canela Alvarez.

521
00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:49,480
Speaker 1: It was thirty six year old Floyd moving up in wait.

522
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Speaker 1: I believe they did a catchweight of one fifty two,

523
00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:53,960
Speaker 1: so Canelo had to cut down those two more pounds.

524
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Speaker 3: But I can I just say I missed the press tours.

525
00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:58,080
Speaker 3: They stopped in DC at the Howard Theater.

526
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Speaker 1: They were professional.

527
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Speaker 3: It was it.

528
00:21:59,880 --> 00:22:01,280
Speaker 2: Was I don't know how to explained. It was like a

529
00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:02,960
Speaker 2: pep rally. It was one of the most fun things.

530
00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:04,560
Speaker 2: They even made a painting for them and put her

531
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Speaker 2: on the side of the Howard Theatre.

532
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Speaker 3: And this was the first time. BC's the first time

533
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Speaker 3: I saw.

534
00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:12,480
Speaker 2: Floyd and Dan Rayfield arguing about how much the guaranteed

535
00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:14,760
Speaker 2: person was for Floyd at the times was a record

536
00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:16,240
Speaker 2: it was forty million, So.

537
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Speaker 1: You rarely get fights this perfect Floyd thirty six, the

538
00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:23,440
Speaker 1: reigning pomp for pound King Canelo, the maybe next big thing.

539
00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:25,919
Speaker 1: But even though Canelo was twenty two, Luke, his record

540
00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:29,600
Speaker 1: was forty four and oh Floyd was forty two. I'm sorry,

541
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Speaker 1: Floyd was forty four and oh Canelo was forty two

542
00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:33,760
Speaker 1: to hin one coming in this he had that one

543
00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:35,879
Speaker 1: draw earlier in his career when he's fighting like six

544
00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:39,040
Speaker 1: round fights, Luke, this storyline coming in. This is the

545
00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:41,120
Speaker 1: first super fight we had had in boxing since two

546
00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:43,600
Speaker 1: thousand and seven, when Oscar de la Hoya and Floyd,

547
00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:46,360
Speaker 1: fueled by the twenty four to seven documentary and all

548
00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:49,560
Speaker 1: that became household names. We're on the cover Sports Illustrated

549
00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:51,399
Speaker 1: sold two point four million pay per view by to

550
00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:53,320
Speaker 1: set a new record. There was the feeling like this

551
00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:55,920
Speaker 1: one could compete. It ended up being two point two million.

552
00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:58,480
Speaker 1: The last couple of minutes before that main event started,

553
00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:01,320
Speaker 1: you can feel on the broadcast you rewatch the energy

554
00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:04,160
Speaker 1: and electricity. Al Bernstein k called it out, saying, I've

555
00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:06,520
Speaker 1: been to the biggest fights in Vegas history. This one

556
00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:09,560
Speaker 1: does not feel any different, Luke, there were so much

557
00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:13,000
Speaker 1: damn expectations. Can can Canello catch up with Floyd and

558
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:15,080
Speaker 1: go to the body and do Javas things to him.

559
00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:18,639
Speaker 1: I didn't necessarily expect, with Floyd's agent moving up in

560
00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:20,760
Speaker 1: wait that this would end up looking like Pearnel Whitaker

561
00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:24,840
Speaker 1: against Javez, that Floyd would have his way with young

562
00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:25,439
Speaker 1: Big Red.

563
00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:25,720
Speaker 3: In this one.

564
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Speaker 2: Well, here was a part of the storyline that can't

565
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:29,159
Speaker 2: get lost by see. You know this as well as

566
00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:31,399
Speaker 2: I do. Which was the weight? So they did not

567
00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:33,239
Speaker 2: fight at one hundred and fifty four pounds? Correct if

568
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:35,480
Speaker 2: I'm wrong, it was one hundred and fifty two pounds catchweight.

569
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:37,879
Speaker 2: Floyd came in I think one fifty and a half

570
00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:41,600
Speaker 2: or so. I'll say this Canelo now again against Caleb

571
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,359
Speaker 2: Plants can be fighting at one sixty eight To understand

572
00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:46,720
Speaker 2: some of the differences here, but it looked to me

573
00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:51,760
Speaker 2: two things stood out to MEBC One, Floyd was just

574
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:54,320
Speaker 2: way too good. He could stick and move here the

575
00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:57,720
Speaker 2: speed different class, dude. He was just ridiculous. He was

576
00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:00,080
Speaker 2: landing and not getting hit over and over again. And

577
00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:03,480
Speaker 2: I do think, I absolutely think the argument was at

578
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:05,680
Speaker 2: the time from the Mayweather team that the weight needed

579
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:07,800
Speaker 2: to be lower for Canelo so that could be more

580
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:09,919
Speaker 2: of an even match because Floyd is not a big one.

581
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:12,320
Speaker 1: Thirty six. We have to remember this. Thirty six, Yeah,

582
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:12,800
Speaker 1: you'd be great.

583
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:14,760
Speaker 2: What what would you say is Floyd's best way class

584
00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:15,800
Speaker 2: from forty or forty seven?

585
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:19,680
Speaker 1: Even won thirty five? Maybe, I mean he was so great.

586
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,640
Speaker 2: So up at one fifty two against the guy that size,

587
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:24,480
Speaker 2: you're gonna want to put him down with Floyd was

588
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,080
Speaker 2: at one thirty Okay, so it's the same point that stands.

589
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:30,040
Speaker 2: It did look to me like Canelo was visibly drained

590
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:32,000
Speaker 2: on the way Inday, I had a close seat, and

591
00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:34,800
Speaker 2: it looked to me like overtime, the frustration of what

592
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,639
Speaker 2: Floyd was doing behind the jab, behind the stick and

593
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:40,560
Speaker 2: move behind the lateral movement, Canelo just did not have

594
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:41,160
Speaker 2: enough answer.

595
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:44,400
Speaker 1: I'll say this, although we come out of this fight

596
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:46,960
Speaker 1: having learned, and Canelo learned a lot from Floyd on

597
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,120
Speaker 1: the business end on how to carry yourself as the

598
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:51,159
Speaker 1: as the number one in the sport, but also on

599
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:53,399
Speaker 1: the boxing end. This was where the first calls for

600
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:57,159
Speaker 1: Eddie Renoso, the trainer and the father Chepo Renoso and

601
00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,600
Speaker 1: co managers there that maybe they're the wrong team for them,

602
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:02,160
Speaker 1: because this his game plan will go down as horrific.

603
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 1: The game plan is, let's try it for Canelo out

604
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 1: box the greatest peerboxer of this era. Everyone from critics

605
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:10,880
Speaker 1: to fans wanted Canelo to be Shavez in this fight,

606
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:14,240
Speaker 1: wanted him to make an adjustment walk Floyd down, Luke,

607
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:16,720
Speaker 1: as much as we could say, what Canelo didn't do

608
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:19,120
Speaker 1: the real story was what Floyd did at thirty six.

609
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:22,160
Speaker 1: This wasn't even what Parnell Whitaker did to Chavez, which

610
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:25,720
Speaker 1: was masterful. This was Floyd's standing directly in front of Canelo,

611
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,320
Speaker 1: but being so confident in how small his strike zone

612
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 1: was and how hard his countershots would be, that he

613
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:36,360
Speaker 1: disciplined Canelo, frustrated him, and Big Red had nothing. Now, Luke,

614
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:39,119
Speaker 1: when I rewatch it, there's actually better sequences than you remember.

615
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:41,760
Speaker 1: There's actually better sort of back and forth, and Canelo

616
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 1: will have a moment, but then Floyd will come back

617
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 1: with that stiff right rope that if people don't realize,

618
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:50,239
Speaker 1: I know that the Pachio Mayweather fight didn't you know,

619
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:53,200
Speaker 1: set the world on fire with entertainment you rewatch that closely.

620
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 1: In rounds one and eleven and twelve, Floyd disciplined the

621
00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 1: shit out of Pacio with that right hand by landing it,

622
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:02,119
Speaker 1: so you're written Hardy basically said, look, I'm not a

623
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:04,680
Speaker 1: power puncher, but if you fuck with me at close range,

624
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:06,880
Speaker 1: I can get you out of there. I think even Canelo,

625
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:09,160
Speaker 1: who although he took everything flod to offer and kept coming,

626
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 1: he was getting pieced up at moments Luke where it

627
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 1: was sort of like, this is not what I expected

628
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:15,560
Speaker 1: coming in. And that's the greatness of Floyd, and you

629
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:16,159
Speaker 1: gotta give it to.

630
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Speaker 2: Any doubt about it. Floyd was just on fire in

631
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:19,919
Speaker 2: this fight, even for thirty six. You know, that's like

632
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,479
Speaker 2: young thirty six, the guy who doesn't drink. He parties,

633
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 2: but he doesn't obviously put the kind of kind of

634
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:25,320
Speaker 2: stuff into his body.

635
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 3: And he was just on fire on that night.

636
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:31,639
Speaker 2: And more to the point, it did show that the

637
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 2: weight disparity was kind of interesting, which is to say,

638
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:35,960
Speaker 2: we know Canelo has a good chin, but he got

639
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 2: stolen consistently and it would whip Canelo's head back and

640
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 2: it disciplined him. But I felt like it was frustrating

641
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 2: more to Canelo than it was painful.

642
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 1: Remember when he made Canelo miss lunging forward and can

643
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:51,359
Speaker 1: ran into the ropes and Floyd's just clowning him. Appointing

644
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 1: to a lot of mind games too.

645
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:54,239
Speaker 2: And also it should be noted, I don't know how

646
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:55,720
Speaker 2: you feel. I don't know what big fights you covered

647
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:57,879
Speaker 2: before this to this point in my career.

648
00:26:58,240 --> 00:26:59,200
Speaker 3: I remember going.

649
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 2: To this fight and thinking, I didn't realize fights could

650
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,199
Speaker 2: be this big. I didn't realize that they could be

651
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 2: this grand because the way in stage was enormous.

652
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,399
Speaker 1: They had waited in line for tickets at three am

653
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 1: the night before, for free way in tickets the next

654
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:13,920
Speaker 1: for the next afternoon.

655
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 2: This was this was and I think he did over

656
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 2: two million buys two three, two four, yeah, something like that.

657
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:21,120
Speaker 2: This was the first time I'd ever seen something where

658
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:22,919
Speaker 2: the bar was I didn't if you were, if you

659
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 2: were not paying attention to boxing or a combat sports

660
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 2: at that time, and then you watch this one. The

661
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,399
Speaker 2: grand scale of it all was beyond it.

662
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:31,679
Speaker 1: We would go to find out that this loss made

663
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:34,639
Speaker 1: Canelo made his brand, but obviously it was up to

664
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 1: how he reacted. Luke, he learned all of the lessons

665
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 1: because as you're watching this, you're like, dude, when are

666
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:40,879
Speaker 1: you gonna step on the gas and go to the body. Well,

667
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,160
Speaker 1: every time he tried, Floyd's just snuffing that out.

668
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 2: So we also Floyd's body work kind of kept him

669
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 2: upright a little bit as well his jab to the

670
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:48,879
Speaker 2: body in this one of the most underrated stories of

671
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:49,239
Speaker 2: the whole time.

672
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:51,639
Speaker 1: I'd forgotten the Championship Browns beginning in round ten, the

673
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 1: round before Floyd went big game hunting. I don't know, people,

674
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 1: you gotta get Floyd's credit when he's got you worn

675
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 1: down and figured out. He did this to Moseley the codo.

676
00:27:58,160 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 1: He comes after you and tries to knock you out.

677
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,400
Speaker 1: He did that, but was unable to hear yet Canello

678
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:05,119
Speaker 1: gets the benefit of the doubt. Good old c. J.

679
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 1: Ross scoring this fight one fourteen one.

680
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 3: Floyd was incensed.

681
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,120
Speaker 1: Every media member had it eleven to one or twelve

682
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 1: to nothing. What's interesting is the other two judges one

683
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 1: sixteen one twelve, which is eight to four for Floyd,

684
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 1: and one in one seventeen one eleven, which is nine

685
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 1: to three. The judges were a little bit more respectful

686
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:24,159
Speaker 1: for what Alvarez did than I think they even was

687
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 1: even deserving.

688
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, we can talk about the Canelo favoritism or why

689
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:30,119
Speaker 2: the judges respond to him. Again, I think there is

690
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 2: a good explanation for some of that, which is that

691
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,359
Speaker 2: again if in the trout bout he's getting out volumed,

692
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:37,880
Speaker 2: but there could you could just feel the difference in power.

693
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 3: On this one.

694
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 2: Dude, how many times can you say he landed clean

695
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 2: on Floyd? Can you count him on one hand?

696
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 1: The total punchdots were two thirty two for Floyd, one

697
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 1: fourteen for Canelo, but Floyd landed fifty three percent of

698
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 1: his power shots, which is insane, and out jabbed him

699
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 1: one thirty nine to forty four. Luke, great quote by

700
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 1: Al Bernstein in this fight, Canelo might be the fighter

701
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 1: of tomorrow, but he has yet to become the fighter

702
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 1: of today. Big win for Floyd. The question was, how

703
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 1: would Canelo respond to this when you are that solved

704
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 1: by another man, by an elite man who you are

705
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 1: sort of stepping up another class to face some guys

706
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 1: don't make it out of here. How Canelo ends up responding?

707
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 3: Luke?

708
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 1: I thought was great pay per view bout on Showtime

709
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 1: next against Alfredo Angulo unfortunately, and Gulo was not the

710
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 1: stand up warrior. He started a little washy in this

711
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 1: fight where Canello ends up getting the late stoppage. They

712
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 1: only really had one round of back and forth call

713
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 1: it on Mexican style action, but great crowd. It did

714
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 1: round three hundred thousand paper view bys. It was now

715
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 1: okay from the rub from Floyd. Canelo was its sole

716
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 1: pay per view brand. He's got it, but he doesn't

717
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 1: just go into another fight where it's against the Alfreda Angoulo,

718
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 1: who you're going to dominate. Now he does another one.

719
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 1: His promoter doesn't want him to do it. He did

720
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 1: that against Trout to unify titles. Now he's moving up

721
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 1: to a division we call Canelo Waight one fifty five,

722
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 1: which became Canelo's preferred Catchwaight before he would go to

723
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 1: middleweight and basically announce, I'm a full sized Midlewaight. I'm

724
00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 1: gonna take that plunge. It was Arislandi Lara who had

725
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 1: the interim WBA one fifty four title at the time,

726
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 1: but Luke he was considered the best, the most dangerous

727
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 1: junior middleweight without question. We'd only seen him lose by

728
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 1: decision to Paul Williams what was considered an absolute robbery

729
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 1: in which the judges New Jersey became under investigation for

730
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 1: that fight. He was as wrong a matchup for what

731
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 1: Canelo does not do great as anybody. In July twelfth,

732
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 1: twenty fourteen, they met at the MGM Graham in Las

733
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 1: Vegas and Luke this was the second straight right fight

734
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 1: at one fifty five for Canelo. Canelo, Wait, I forgot

735
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:32,959
Speaker 1: how hot that fricking crowd was. This felt like a

736
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 1: damn super fight upon rewatch, I mean the Las Vegas

737
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 1: faithful love them some young rising Canelo.

738
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, well this isn't quite the Puerto Rico versus Mexico rivalry,

739
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 2: but it felt something kind of similar to that, and

740
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 2: it had many of the contours and the same kind

741
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 2: of moments as the.

742
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 3: Fight with Trout, where you have a guy like Laura who.

743
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 2: Just has maybe the best stick and move style from

744
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 2: the amateur Cuban system in that division at that time,

745
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 2: maybe boxing at that time, and Canelo was kind of

746
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 2: up against it.

747
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 1: Different round comes in so dangerous. He had knocked out

748
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 1: Angulo in that surprise war, and Luke, he had beat

749
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 1: the shit out of Austin Trout. He won a wide

750
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 1: decision in Brooklyn then dropped him. So how Lara got

751
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 1: this fight? People forget. After the Canelo and Gulo fight

752
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 1: at the press conference, Laura respectfully came in, interrupted Canelo's

753
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 1: speech and then through an interpreter said, look, the fans

754
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 1: want to see it best against the best. I want

755
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 1: to fight you. Canello kind of clowned him. He was like, oh,

756
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 1: who said that. Anybody here want to see this? Yeah,

757
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 1: just your manager. Nobody wants to see you fight me.

758
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 1: That's not how you make fights. Canelo was legitimately pissed

759
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 1: off that Lara did that, but Luke like Club Rolanga

760
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 1: ROCKI three. It worked, He got him in the ring.

761
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 1: Why was Lara, on paper the worst style matchup for Canelo?

762
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 2: Lara is a guy who's you can watch the tape here.

763
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 2: He would work on the outside and you could see

764
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 2: he was hard to hit. He would be across to

765
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 2: the body, jab and then immediately moving. And the problem

766
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 2: with Canelo it was less of an issue with Trout.

767
00:31:58,360 --> 00:31:59,719
Speaker 2: It was much more of an issue here. Even though

768
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 2: you had southball versus orthodox stands. Look at how good

769
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 2: Laura is at not just landing and kind of leaning

770
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 2: out of the way, but now exiting you see that

771
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 2: he can constantly find center, not just stay on the

772
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 2: outside of the Obviously, canelos twing to keep hm up

773
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 2: against the ropes that he would look at, that he

774
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 2: would exit off of the hook to the right hand.

775
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 2: He would find ways to cover up while moving outside

776
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 2: of the pocket and this or to simply wrap up

777
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 2: like Tyson Fury did to Deontay Water recently. This was

778
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 2: giving Canelo problems because the windows that's right Canelo was

779
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 2: the windows in which to hit him are far smaller.

780
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 1: We wondered if Lara could do the same thing. Mayweather

781
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 1: didn't expose him with the foot speed. But to Canelo's

782
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 1: credit of how he grew Luke, I think he learned

783
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 1: from the US to trout fight that he needs to

784
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 1: have twelve rounds stamina, and I think he learned from

785
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 1: Humble Against Floyd, he started to cut off the ring.

786
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 1: He wasn't just following Laura around like he followed Floyd around.

787
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 1: Cannelo caught off the ring round two and look after

788
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,479
Speaker 1: losing the opening round, Canelo and round two made a statement.

789
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 1: He wobbled Laura when he caught him off balance with

790
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 1: that right hand that led to that sort of tie

791
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 1: up that we saw, and then they begin trading almost

792
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 1: round for round, Luke, where Canelo fights had his best style,

793
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 1: which is closing the distance and just touched him to

794
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 1: the body, keeping him on us. And when Laura would

795
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 1: get on his bicycle, land a clean left and then

796
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 1: circle away, it shows me as a boxing purist, that

797
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 1: you are dominating Canelo, but it doesn't always show the judges, Luke,

798
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 1: because Laura fell into the unfortunate trope stereotype of great

799
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 1: Cuban artists. You fall too much in love with the

800
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 1: boxing you're doing and not throw enough punches to cement

801
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:28,479
Speaker 1: that in the eyes of the judges.

802
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 2: That and also you can just look at the bodywork here.

803
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 2: When Canelo did his best work. It's right there, which

804
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 2: is uppercut range, which can be either mid or right

805
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 2: in front, and you can see over time he's getting

806
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 2: to it. He can't quite land so clean to the head.

807
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 2: But dude, the body shots, ordinarily body shots will be something,

808
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 2: and the commentators even spoke about it here where they

809
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 2: wondered how the judges would count it. But it visibly

810
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 2: slowed Laura overtime, even though he put up a hell

811
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 2: of an effort later in the rounds and certainly certainly

812
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 2: landed and sounded really, really, really bad.

813
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:00,719
Speaker 1: I scored the fight seven rounds to five for Laura.

814
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 1: I rewatched it laesterday scored it again the same thing.

815
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 1: But Luke, if you're Laura, I don't think you can

816
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 1: actually complain because you needed to do more. I thought

817
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,800
Speaker 1: Canelo did the most with the task. He was offered

818
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 1: a guy who ran a lot, and he at least

819
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 1: tried to slow him down to the body. So even

820
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:17,439
Speaker 1: though I preferenced what Laura did seven rounds to five,

821
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:19,799
Speaker 1: the judges didn't. Did you how did you score it?

822
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 3: I think I had it seven to five. The other way,

823
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 3: I think forget.

824
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 1: And I think that's that's fair what we ended up with.

825
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 1: Two We had a one fifteen, one thirteen for Laura,

826
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:28,840
Speaker 1: one fifteen, one thirteen for Canelo, which is seven to

827
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 1: five either way. But then Levi Martinez doing the one

828
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 1: seventeen one or seventeen this is this is nine rounds

829
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:37,400
Speaker 1: to three, and unfortunately it shows you that even with

830
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:39,320
Speaker 1: Laura not throwing enough, he may have never had a

831
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 1: chance on the cards.

832
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 2: Right, So this is the problem with Canelo pretty much consistently,

833
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 2: even in the CJ.

834
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 3: Row situation, went with Mayweather fight.

835
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 2: It's not that you can't make a claim for him

836
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 2: in the Trout fight or the Laura fight. It's that

837
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 2: there's always one judge who makes the whole process questionable,

838
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 2: who makes the whole situation like, oh right, you were

839
00:34:58,040 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 2: never ever going.

840
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:01,439
Speaker 1: To win, badass in this fight, Luke.

841
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, dude, he put at times.

842
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 2: He certainly put it on Canelo, and the overall stats

843
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:07,359
Speaker 2: are sort of remarkable about this as well.

844
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:10,360
Speaker 1: One oh seven to ninety seven. Laura outlanded Canelo in

845
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,319
Speaker 1: this one so very close fight could have gone either way.

846
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 1: Canelo gets a benefit of the doubt, beats another guy

847
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:16,760
Speaker 1: they said maybe he shouldn't have fought Luke. He moves

848
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 1: away from Showtime, goes back to HBO, knocks out James

849
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 1: Kirkland and the Stay Busy, probably the best knockout on

850
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 1: Canelo's reel. But then Luke, we are finally ready to

851
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 1: move up to the middleweight division. Canelos won titles and

852
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 1: unified them at one fifty four, only the middleweight champion

853
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 1: at that time. He's come back around again as the

854
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 1: Great Miguel Coto, who had completely rebuilt himself at this

855
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 1: weight division by bringing on Freddy Roach's trainer for the

856
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,839
Speaker 1: first time, by going back to his aggressive lead left hook,

857
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 1: go to the body style, and Luke by taking hold

858
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 1: of the middleweight division by captive because he won the

859
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:52,239
Speaker 1: lineal title by knocking out an injured Sergio Martinez, is

860
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 1: by making everybody else play the catchwaight game. Luke, now

861
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 1: they're fighting at Codo waight. He stops Daniel Geel in

862
00:35:57,600 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 1: an interesting fight, and now he's got Canelo and it's

863
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 1: Puerto Rico versus Mexico. It'll be at a one hundred

864
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 1: and fifty five pound catchweight, so it's for the middleweight championship,

865
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:07,360
Speaker 1: but not really.

866
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 3: It's in some way.

867
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 1: Codo came in much lighter than the contracted weight. But

868
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 1: I think what Codo coming in that light showed you

869
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 1: is he came in here to box, Luke. This fight

870
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:18,840
Speaker 1: had potential. I was there at Mandala Bay to be,

871
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 1: you know, the Puerto Rico versus Mexico elite level absolute war.

872
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 1: It's not that the fight wasn't great, Henry watching it,

873
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:29,879
Speaker 1: it was better than I remember it. But I don't

874
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 1: think Codo went for it. I think Codo looked at

875
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 1: the matchup between them, saw Canelo as almost a bigger

876
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:38,359
Speaker 1: version of himself, and thought, I've got an out box him,

877
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 1: which is the complete opposite of who he had become.

878
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 1: In fact, I asked Freddie Roach to this day a

879
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 1: lot I go between you and I I'll say on

880
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 1: the air, but I go. You wanted Kodo to let

881
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 1: that left to go more against Canelo, Right, He's like,

882
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 1: that's what we planned to do. For whatever reason, Codo

883
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 1: made the adjustment like you did the Mayweather because Codo

884
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 1: such a smart boxer to try to out box him Luke.

885
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 1: He came close seven rounds to five on my scorecard

886
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 1: for Ranelo. Judges had it much wider. Most media had

887
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 1: it seventy five for Canelo, where it was a close

888
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 1: enough boxing match because Coto's volume and smarts were there.

889
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 1: But Luke, whenever they traded at close range, you saw

890
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 1: him maturing more dangerous different Canelo.

891
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 3: Yeah you did, and the scores were wide. Here. All

892
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 3: three judges had it I think like one eighteen eighteen.

893
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 1: One to ten, one seventeen one eleven, and one nineteen

894
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 1: one oh nine. What are we?

895
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 2: What are we doing here? Yeah, again, you can look

896
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:27,279
Speaker 2: at it. Here's a case where I thought Codo did

897
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 2: some decent boxing, But dude, this is the this is

898
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 2: the consistent theme, the power punching. I cannot over I

899
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 2: sound like a broken record at this point, but really,

900
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 2: Codo kind of let it happen, the power punching of Canelo.

901
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 2: He's a dominant puncher at one fifty four or one

902
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 2: to fifty five, whatever you want to say. At this point,

903
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:46,720
Speaker 2: Codo just didn't have a way to take that away

904
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 2: from him.

905
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 1: Because he didn't have the same footspeed as Floyd or

906
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 1: Laura Zaznello has learned too much where he can control

907
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 1: that totally.

908
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:54,840
Speaker 2: He has a way of steering opponents, he has a

909
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,280
Speaker 2: way of cornering opponents, and with a guy like Codo,

910
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,400
Speaker 2: he just wasn't as fleet a foot, He wasn't as

911
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 2: defensively sad himself. By the way, we should note that

912
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 2: it was just a matchup where he was competitive. I

913
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:07,279
Speaker 2: won't say he wasn't competitive, but the scores don't reflect that.

914
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:09,760
Speaker 3: The fight tape it's fun.

915
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 1: Do you wish Codo went forward? Do you think he

916
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:12,359
Speaker 1: gets knocked out if he goes?

917
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 2: I think he gets knocked out if he goes for it.

918
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 2: I think he knew he was gonna get knocked out

919
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 2: if he went for it. So my issue with that

920
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,359
Speaker 2: one is just like, to your point, it was like, well,

921
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 2: this is not a winnable fight in the way in

922
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 2: which I want to pursue it.

923
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 3: So I'm just gonna let this fight be what it is.

924
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 2: But again, the dominant punching of Canal, it sounds like

925
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:27,840
Speaker 2: we're saying he's like Dante Wada.

926
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 3: That's not what we mean.

927
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 2: We just mean once he begins to land out opponents,

928
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:32,399
Speaker 2: I think a lot of their game plans go out

929
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:32,760
Speaker 2: the windows.

930
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 1: This one did nine hundred thousand PA per view buys, was,

931
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 1: you know, the biggest pay per view for a while

932
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 1: post Floyd Mayweather versus Manny Pacio and Luke one five,

933
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 1: one nine. Are your punch stats in favor of Alvarez.

934
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 1: He gets the unanimous decision. Ron ten was an absolute war,

935
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:48,320
Speaker 1: and he was the guy coming on a round twelve

936
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 1: to try to finish him. He's now your lineal middleweight champion.

937
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 1: So the question is, at this point, Luke, is he

938
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 1: ready to go beyond caneloweight? Beyond one to fifty five.

939
00:38:57,560 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 1: He beat a small middleweight right Quoto is almost an

940
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 1: cidental middleweight champion, and that he beat a Sergio Martinez

941
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:04,840
Speaker 1: who was smaller to begin with but had that knee

942
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:06,760
Speaker 1: injury and he just wasn't the same when they fought.

943
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 1: Now it's will he move up to the full one

944
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 1: sixty and let's be honest, here, be a man, go

945
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:15,400
Speaker 1: after your legacy and take on the unified boogeyman of

946
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 1: the division at that moment in one Ganadi, Glovekin and Luke.

947
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 1: There are very little crimes or sins that Canelo has

948
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 1: done as a fighter where the fans can pick pack well,

949
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 1: don't forget when he did that. This is one of

950
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:28,800
Speaker 1: those things where I think he learned a lot about

951
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 1: being an aside from Floyd. Let's let's face it, what

952
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:33,840
Speaker 1: Canelo did over the next year and a half was

953
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 1: kind of push Glovekin back and say I'll fight you,

954
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 1: but I want to wait till you get a little

955
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 1: bit older. Why do you think he did that because

956
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 1: I think he realized that. I don't think he knew

957
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 1: if he moved up to one sixty, if he was

958
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 1: going to be able to handle the full power of

959
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 1: somebody like glove Kid. We cannot understate who Glovekin was.

960
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 1: At this point, the big names want to fight him.

961
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 1: So he was on a schedule of fighting four times

962
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 1: a year and wrecking fools. Luke, he had eighteen straight

963
00:39:57,239 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 1: title defenses. At the time that he finally fought Canelo,

964
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 1: he had a twenty three fight knockout streak. He was

965
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 1: just taking the world drama for big drama show. It's

966
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 1: the fact that he could knock you out, but technically

967
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 1: he was an Olympic silver medalist. He was a savant

968
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 1: and their jab heavy smart. So Canelo after the Codo fight,

969
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:18,399
Speaker 1: instead of fighting glove can he takes on a mere

970
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:20,360
Speaker 1: Khan who's moving up two weight divisions and Luke, we

971
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 1: knew what was gonna happen, and it happened a vicious

972
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 1: sixth round knockout, one of the.

973
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 2: Most spectacular knockouts you'll ever see.

974
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 1: Triple G comes into the ring afterwards Canelo calls him

975
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 1: up to Galofkin, you are next, my friend, But he

976
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 1: really wasn't because Canelo would come back and defend his

977
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 1: one fifty four title against Liam Smith. Big fight at

978
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 1: the Cowboys Ar You know, the Jerry World gets the knockout,

979
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:41,799
Speaker 1: and then Luke, he's gotta be fighting Glove connect right

980
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 1: Tipe in twenty seventeen because they've found the corpse of

981
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:48,359
Speaker 1: Julio says O Chavez Junior and to your favorite fighter

982
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:50,839
Speaker 1: and to the credit of Mexican boxing, that fight did

983
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 1: a one million pay per view buys when Chaves came

984
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 1: out there as a as a zombie and Canelo just

985
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 1: lit him up. But Luke, after that Canelo was ready.

986
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:01,760
Speaker 1: He waited until Triple G was thirty five. But Triple

987
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 1: G was fresh off a thriller with Danny Jacobs which

988
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:06,439
Speaker 1: you could have scored either way. I scored the draw.

989
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 1: It was close, but Triple G got the benefit of

990
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,319
Speaker 1: the doubt. He's still the man. We're gonna find out here.

991
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:12,880
Speaker 1: If Canelo could take the real power.

992
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 2: Do you how do you assess Canelo managing risk in

993
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 2: terms of opponents, because on the one hand, he sort

994
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 2: of embraced it against Trout, He embraced the risk.

995
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 1: If I can be out boxed and solved on the cards, Yes,

996
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 1: but this would be the first time two year point,

997
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:27,760
Speaker 1: which is smart to ask. We thought, maybe if Angola,

998
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 1: if it's the same Angulo that got into a war

999
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:31,959
Speaker 1: with Laura. Could he give Canelo problems? Well, we found

1000
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 1: out Canola way too fast and Angulo's little washy at

1001
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:36,320
Speaker 1: that point. Yes, this is the first time he's stepping

1002
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 1: up against a bigger puncher. Can Canelo rise to the moment,

1003
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:41,919
Speaker 1: put it all on the line and risk it all

1004
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 1: to win a breakthrough fight. This ain't getting a decision

1005
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 1: over Laura in a little mini chest shootout. This is

1006
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 1: the real deal, Luke, okay, and it was a big deal.

1007
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 1: On November sixteenth, twenty seventeen, when they met at Tmobile Arena,

1008
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:58,439
Speaker 1: Glove can thirty eight and oh coming in there fresh

1009
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 1: off that Jacob, So, I'm sorry that was I just

1010
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 1: read you the day of the remat No. That was

1011
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 1: the first fight.

1012
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 3: First one. Yeah, sixteenth of September twenty seventeen, Triple.

1013
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 1: G thirty five, Canelo twenty seven. To Canelo's credit, we

1014
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 1: never did the catchweight thing. This was at one sixty

1015
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 1: Canelo bringing in the WBC and lineal title triple G,

1016
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 1: bringing in WBA and IBF, and this was the end

1017
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 1: of the very prime triple G. This is the best

1018
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 1: that you're gonna get, Luke. This fight, although not as

1019
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:26,840
Speaker 1: good as the rematch was still a fucking awesome championship

1020
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 1: middleweight championship out between two men who went out there

1021
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 1: and responded to each other's game plans and made adjustments,

1022
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 1: but were still savage the whole time. I thought the

1023
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:37,319
Speaker 1: most surprising thing in the first half of this fight

1024
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 1: was not Oh, could Canelo's chin hold up to Triple G.

1025
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 1: It was the fact that even though Triple G's jab

1026
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 1: was on point and he controlled him and controlled the action,

1027
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 1: Canello could get away from that right hand at will.

1028
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 1: Triple G was not fast enough to corner pin Canelo

1029
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 1: on the ropes and land his money punch. And that

1030
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 1: became very interesting when you saw Canello's speed. Look at

1031
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 1: one fifty four, Canelo not fast. You can outspeed if

1032
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 1: you're elite. At sixty now we're seeing Canelo realize I'm

1033
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 1: a power puncher, but in the right matchup, I'm way

1034
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 1: too quick swiveling for this guy to hit me with

1035
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:11,799
Speaker 1: the right and that I think built Canelo's confidence. Now

1036
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 1: what I think what happened, Luke, There was a stamina

1037
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,280
Speaker 1: dump in the middle of this fighting which Canelo started

1038
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:18,319
Speaker 1: to willingly allow himself to go to the ropes and

1039
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 1: in the corner, and that's when Triple G not able

1040
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:23,400
Speaker 1: to land the drama show, the big lucky punches he

1041
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:25,760
Speaker 1: would call it, but was just controlling it with jabs

1042
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 1: and body shots where I think most of us. We

1043
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 1: went to the tail end of that fight and it

1044
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:33,840
Speaker 1: was a thrilling, great fight, going, Okay, that's a Triple

1045
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 1: G win. Man, I just watched it. Controlled that damn

1046
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 1: fight with.

1047
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 2: The jam Where in that fight, in your mind, was

1048
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 2: Canelo most competitive? I would say in spots, yes, but

1049
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 2: early I thought he was more competitive than late.

1050
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:46,759
Speaker 1: I thought early and then at the beginning of the

1051
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 1: second half of that of that final third, Canelo had

1052
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:52,760
Speaker 1: some moments, but I thought it was Triple gu.

1053
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:53,800
Speaker 3: G was the middle of the sandwich.

1054
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 1: Absolutely, yeah, so Canelo Gussie in the middle. Canelo tried

1055
00:43:57,600 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 1: to land around the back punch and round.

1056
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,439
Speaker 3: Six, yeah, he didn't like that shit too much.

1057
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 1: Canelo too willing to be on the ropes, but Triple

1058
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:06,840
Speaker 1: G's chin once Canelo in rounds nine, ten eleven started

1059
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:08,279
Speaker 1: to try to like go, we should talk about that

1060
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:11,279
Speaker 1: for just Triple G's just taking this ship and Luke just.

1061
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 3: It cuts both ways. Let's be fair for just a

1062
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:14,879
Speaker 3: second here.

1063
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 2: When Triple G went into this fight, the biggest question

1064
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:20,320
Speaker 2: I had in my mind at the time was, Dude,

1065
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 2: is Triple G gonna knock this guy the fuck out

1066
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 2: like he does everybody? How will Canelo's chin hold up

1067
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:29,280
Speaker 2: to Triple G's pressure, to his power, to your point.

1068
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:30,919
Speaker 1: We have, but it held up in the second fight

1069
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 1: because it needed to more in the first one. He

1070
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 1: wasn't really taking that money punch consistently.

1071
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:37,400
Speaker 2: No, But dude, we're talking about a guy in Triple

1072
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 2: G where even some of his jabs.

1073
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, he doesn't say Howard.

1074
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 2: That was the big lesson that you're pointing out that

1075
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 2: Canelo accepted some of the pressure that Triple G was

1076
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:50,880
Speaker 2: providing sort of halfway middle maybe two thirds in to

1077
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 2: the first fight. But dude, there was also just the

1078
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 2: reality in the first fight and the second fight is very,

1079
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 2: very different. But in the first fight he could not

1080
00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 2: get Triple G off of him. He did have more

1081
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 2: moments where he could make Triple G pay a little bit,

1082
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:05,839
Speaker 2: but Triple G's chin held up. Canelo's chin held up,

1083
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 2: And the big takeaway for me was, dude, you understand

1084
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:12,319
Speaker 2: Triple G was bulldozing everybody heading into this content dropped

1085
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 2: Danny Jacobs in there.

1086
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 3: I couldn't believe.

1087
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:17,360
Speaker 2: I could not believe how well both guys were standing

1088
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:18,720
Speaker 2: up to flush shots.

1089
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 1: I think Canelo's last stand in this first part was

1090
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 1: round ten, when he landed a big combo triple G

1091
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:24,959
Speaker 1: just shook it off and went right back into zombie mode.

1092
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:27,400
Speaker 1: Triple G closed stronger. I scored it nine rounds to

1093
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 1: three at ringside, although they had in me in the

1094
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 1: back corner. Like I just said, the turn buckles were

1095
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:35,359
Speaker 1: in my way. I had it on rewatch now three

1096
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 1: times I've scored it seven five triple G. But I

1097
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:40,399
Speaker 1: do feel that it's a firm seven five. No, seven

1098
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 1: five means that it could be a draw on someone

1099
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 1: that I.

1100
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 3: Can't find seven rounds for Canelos.

1101
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 1: That's the point in the end. Unfortunately, Luke, the judges

1102
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 1: could and this is one of the more controversial moments

1103
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 1: of the modern era, not because someone would score it close,

1104
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:55,840
Speaker 1: as Dontrella from Connecticut had a one fourteen, one to

1105
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:58,360
Speaker 1: fourteen as the third judge Luke, I think was Moretti,

1106
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 1: had at one fifteen one thirteen for glove get okay

1107
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:03,760
Speaker 1: seven to five. That's fine. The problem is Adela Bird

1108
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 1: rolled around with a one eighteen one ten ten rounds

1109
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 1: to two for Canelo, which is just not It's just

1110
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 1: not fucking possible. And there was controversy and Luke this

1111
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 1: this I think unfairly but true, tagged Canelo as you

1112
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 1: can't beat him, you can't get a decision, you gotta

1113
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 1: knock him out. You can't get a decision over Canelo

1114
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:21,799
Speaker 1: in Las Vegas. It is what it is right now.

1115
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 1: It was kind of a stain for boxing Luke because

1116
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 1: it showed that Triple G was against it from the beginning,

1117
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:29,319
Speaker 1: that he had no chance unless he was perfect. I

1118
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 1: thought he had done enough either way. We needed to

1119
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:33,400
Speaker 1: see this shit again because this was the pay per

1120
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 1: view that came through a million buys delivered on a

1121
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 1: fight of the Year type thing. For compy box stats

1122
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 1: two eighteen to one sixty nine Triple G, Luke. That's

1123
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:43,359
Speaker 1: a that's a wide balance there.

1124
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:44,279
Speaker 3: Total punches for.

1125
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 1: Total punches one o eight to fifty five for Triple

1126
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:49,400
Speaker 1: Gs Dad one. Canelo, though landed forty one percent of

1127
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 1: his countershots.

1128
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 2: Well, hold on, don't lose the toots of the power punches.

1129
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:55,239
Speaker 3: This is the interesting part about it.

1130
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:57,279
Speaker 2: The numbers in terms of landed one fourteen to one

1131
00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 2: ten Canelo to glove Can almost identical. One thing that

1132
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:03,400
Speaker 2: I wonder, not that this would explain the scorecard, but

1133
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 2: here is one interesting note. Alvarez landed one hundred and

1134
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:09,400
Speaker 2: fourteen of two hundred and seventy two attempted power punches.

1135
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:12,359
Speaker 2: Glofkin won ten, so just four short out of three

1136
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:13,399
Speaker 2: hundred and forty two.

1137
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 3: I wonder.

1138
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 2: I do think it is at least worth considering the

1139
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 2: amount of times he gets blocked or missed. There was

1140
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 2: a lot of Kannelo punches. I remember this. I had

1141
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 2: a long argument with King Mo, remember King Moh. King

1142
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 2: Mo was convinced that Canelo won this fight. And a

1143
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 2: big part of it is he goes, look at how

1144
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:32,279
Speaker 2: many times Glovekin misses or Canelo in this fight, even

1145
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 2: though he was trapped against the ropes a lot of times.

1146
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:37,359
Speaker 2: Good at rolling and deflecting a lot of big shots.

1147
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:39,799
Speaker 1: If you scored at seven to five, canal I don't

1148
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 1: hate on you. If he scored on the draw, you

1149
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:42,839
Speaker 1: can't hate on you. It's not ten rounds to two

1150
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:45,359
Speaker 1: though eight to four, nine to three. The reason why

1151
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 1: this sucked as a controversial thing is because Triple G

1152
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 1: was the people's champion and everyone had avoided him and

1153
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 1: he was finally getting that big name in his prime

1154
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:56,799
Speaker 1: to fight him. Well, the hole was Triple G when

1155
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:59,319
Speaker 1: this fight five and then he so he got weighted out.

1156
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 1: What news is We're looking at spring of twenty eighteen,

1157
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 1: right around the.

1158
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 2: Corner before we moved. Did Canelo, in your mind, learn

1159
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 2: from Floyd? There are certain guys you want to take

1160
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 2: a little bit before they're ready, and there's certain guys

1161
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:11,839
Speaker 2: you want to take.

1162
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 3: A little question.

1163
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 1: I think Canelo learned from this fight because there the

1164
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:19,719
Speaker 1: last remaining hardcore Mexican boxing fan, the blood and guts fan,

1165
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:22,719
Speaker 1: the Chaviz fans, who had never yet given Canelo his due.

1166
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 1: There was still a vocal minority who said, Okay, Canelo's great,

1167
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 1: might even be pomp for Pong great. But he didn't

1168
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:30,879
Speaker 1: win that fight. And he didn't win that fight because

1169
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 1: he didn't come forward consistently and go after it and

1170
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 1: be willing to pay the price, which is what you

1171
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 1: talked about. He paid a little bit of the price

1172
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:39,879
Speaker 1: he but did you ever see Canelo go for it

1173
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 1: and take the center of the ring command it never no, no,

1174
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 1: you did in the damn second fight, only there was

1175
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 1: some fuel that built Canelo's ire to get there. They

1176
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:50,440
Speaker 1: were supposed to fight in the spring of twenty eighteen,

1177
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 1: and then Luke, as the Great Richard Dwyer of YouTube

1178
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:56,760
Speaker 1: would say, the term tainted beef entered the lexicon. Canello

1179
00:48:56,840 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 1: supposedly ate the loaded up tacos. All that's in the

1180
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 1: next one, which which.

1181
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 2: Is just to be clear, if you think he's cheating,

1182
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 2: I'm not here to dissuade you. It is a complicated issue.

1183
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 2: There are numerous incidents across a wide variety of sports,

1184
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 2: including even youth sports teams in Mexico, of eating beef

1185
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 2: and having tainted Clyn Butterol traces show up. I'm not

1186
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:20,759
Speaker 2: asking you to believe it, I'm not telling you not to.

1187
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 2: But for the fuller picture, it's not utterly implausible, utterly

1188
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 2: good one.

1189
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 1: Right there. So Triple G stays busy on that may date,

1190
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 1: Canello gets suspended, he blows away Vonnus mart Rose in

1191
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:33,799
Speaker 1: last minute. But I think the prevailing theme through this

1192
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 1: steamroll steamroll, this is the prevailing theme though, is Triple

1193
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 1: G is not letting this cheater thing go. You see

1194
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 1: Caleb Plant doing it now to try to get under

1195
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:43,359
Speaker 1: Canelo's skin. Triple G's talking about I have photos from

1196
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:45,360
Speaker 1: the first fight where you can see the track marks

1197
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:48,760
Speaker 1: of injections. I mean, he is going ham that brought

1198
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:50,840
Speaker 1: if there was something that was going to bring the

1199
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:54,240
Speaker 1: fire out of Canelo. Luke, you're not a well rounded,

1200
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:57,400
Speaker 1: complete fighter really until you win a fight using almost

1201
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:00,840
Speaker 1: every force, to use every possible strategy. We've seen Canelo

1202
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:04,279
Speaker 1: as the Marquez educated counterpuncher. Some people wanted him to

1203
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:06,319
Speaker 1: be the stalker that he became at one sixty eight,

1204
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:08,319
Speaker 1: which we'll talk about. This is the fight where that

1205
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:10,920
Speaker 1: started because he basically made a decision knell Alfers in

1206
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:14,279
Speaker 1: this rematch September fifteenth, twenty eighteen, another million pay per

1207
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:16,880
Speaker 1: view seller, big time expectations because that first fight was

1208
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 1: so good. Luke, he said, I'm gonna go in there

1209
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna walk down the man, I'm gonna walk

1210
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:23,400
Speaker 1: down the bigger puncher, and I'm gonna win or lose

1211
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 1: basically by bringing my gun to the gunfight and we're

1212
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 1: gonna have a shootout. Luke, thank you, Big Red that

1213
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:31,239
Speaker 1: he would do that. This is the best fight I've

1214
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:33,799
Speaker 1: ever been ringside for in boxing, and I've seen some

1215
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 1: great ones. And Luke rewatched. I'm sure you did rewatch this.

1216
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's fucking awesome this fight.

1217
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 2: Rule.

1218
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:40,880
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1219
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 2: The punch total was higher for Golf get excuse me

1220
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:45,360
Speaker 2: for Alvarez one sixty nine and the first fight landed

1221
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:46,879
Speaker 2: in this one two hundred and two.

1222
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:48,840
Speaker 3: The jab was not a whole lot different.

1223
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:51,239
Speaker 2: Fifty five landed in the first, one fifty nine in

1224
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 2: the second, and then for overall power punches one fourteen

1225
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 2: in the first, one one forty three in the second.

1226
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:58,959
Speaker 2: But dude, it's the whole posture he took quite literally

1227
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:03,880
Speaker 2: physically and in strategically taking the center, driving galof Can

1228
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 2: back onto the body, into the body, but also dud

1229
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:08,920
Speaker 2: pumping the jab as well, try to take away the

1230
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 2: option for.

1231
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:10,359
Speaker 3: Do what worse.

1232
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 2: Glove Can do his best work behind the jab for

1233
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:14,359
Speaker 2: the most part, so he was jabbing with him.

1234
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:15,919
Speaker 3: He was trying to drive him back in this fight.

1235
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 1: Glove Can, at this point compybox historic wise, was the

1236
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 1: best jabber in the history of boxing in terms of

1237
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:22,799
Speaker 1: a mounts end percentage, right like ridiculous and.

1238
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:25,439
Speaker 2: So Canelo said decidedly, I'm not gonna have my back

1239
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 2: on the ropes. I'm not gonna let you jab for free.

1240
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:29,799
Speaker 2: I'm gonna jab with this guy, and then I'm gonna

1241
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:32,280
Speaker 2: do all the other Canlo things that you alluded to.

1242
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:33,400
Speaker 3: To bring the whole picture to.

1243
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:35,399
Speaker 1: Life, you gotta try to hurt the bigger man. Early

1244
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:37,960
Speaker 1: in round two, Canelo landed a big left hook where

1245
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 1: Triple G actually got rocked. He got moved by it

1246
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 1: the first.

1247
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:42,800
Speaker 2: Time in the whole fight between these two. I should

1248
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 2: say both fights, you saw someone get visible. They're not wobbled,

1249
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 2: but you know it moved.

1250
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 1: There in Triple G's thirty six. Now Canelo's got to

1251
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 1: cut over his left eye in round five. In that round,

1252
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 1: Roy Jones says, Triple G seeing something he's never seen before,

1253
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:58,920
Speaker 1: someone stalking him right. Canelo turned Triple G into the

1254
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 1: boxer in the second false ooh.

1255
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 2: Through the first nine to ten rounds, I did think

1256
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:08,600
Speaker 2: that the who put it on the other guy more

1257
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:10,720
Speaker 2: in the final rounds, at least in terms of effort,

1258
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:13,239
Speaker 2: who was trying to do more. I would actually say

1259
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:15,640
Speaker 2: that Triple G I thought had a better charge. Maybe

1260
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:17,279
Speaker 2: rounds ten and eleven twelve.

1261
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:19,360
Speaker 1: But the second half of the fight, you will say

1262
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 1: the story over the whole second half was Canelo taking

1263
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 1: the center of the ring and walking forward and Luke,

1264
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:26,719
Speaker 1: he took the fucking bombs he took. He took that

1265
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:28,880
Speaker 1: those right hands I talked about the Triple G didn't

1266
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:31,479
Speaker 1: land in the first fight, he did at close range.

1267
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 1: In the second fight, only Canelo took them kept coming.

1268
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 1: They both dealt with ferocious, clean firepower and kept coming through.

1269
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:40,920
Speaker 1: That's why this fight is so great.

1270
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:43,200
Speaker 2: And to your point, in the first fight, Canelo was

1271
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 2: the one who couldn't get Triple G off of him. Yes,

1272
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 2: the roles reversed this time, Triple G and landing Landing

1273
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 2: a noted power puncher at one sixteen, Triple G had

1274
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:54,400
Speaker 2: real difficulty getting Canelo off of him.

1275
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:57,719
Speaker 1: Round ten a fucking war. In fact, Triple G is

1276
00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 1: forced to make a stand to close this fight because

1277
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:02,360
Speaker 1: a Canelo made him, and then round eleven Triple G

1278
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:04,960
Speaker 1: went for it. He threw thirty more punches than Canelo.

1279
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:07,360
Speaker 1: They both landed eighteen for the round, but round eleven

1280
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:10,239
Speaker 1: was Triple G trying to actively get the knockout and

1281
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 1: Canelo's standing firm luke. This twelfth round, that beat that

1282
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:15,400
Speaker 1: came out of this that's that's put that shit in

1283
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 1: the top capsule. That's classic boxing.

1284
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:18,959
Speaker 3: This was that the best round of the.

1285
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:20,719
Speaker 1: Teen might be the best round in this fight, but

1286
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:23,279
Speaker 1: twelve with the added sort of feel of like this

1287
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:25,400
Speaker 1: is round twelve. Let it all hang out. Look, they

1288
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:26,920
Speaker 1: tried to They tried to knock each other out.

1289
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:29,279
Speaker 2: Now, how did you score going into the twelfth because

1290
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:31,279
Speaker 2: I had it at that point with Canelo having I

1291
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 2: want to say, a firm lead, but I didn't think that.

1292
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:35,040
Speaker 3: I think I had it where I got to go

1293
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:37,360
Speaker 3: back and look at my notes. But even if.

1294
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 2: Triple G won the twelfth, that wouldn't have been enough.

1295
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 2: Did you have it six y five?

1296
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:43,680
Speaker 1: Or I need Triple G needed to win the final

1297
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 1: round on my card to win the fight, and he

1298
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 1: did seven rounds to five. What people went against Triple

1299
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:49,279
Speaker 1: G and that final rounds because he got cut late

1300
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:51,960
Speaker 1: on his eye, so that visual diab game cut in

1301
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 1: the DNA. Canelo in the fifth got cut. It never

1302
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:55,799
Speaker 1: really was a problem. So we go to the score cards.

1303
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 1: I had it seven to five. Glofkin, I have zero problem.

1304
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:01,320
Speaker 1: If it's a draw or seven Canelo. It's a classic,

1305
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:04,880
Speaker 1: great fight. The judges one fifteen one to thirteen Canelo,

1306
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:07,400
Speaker 1: one fifteen one thirteen Canilo. That's both seven rounds to

1307
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:10,520
Speaker 1: five and then one fourteen one to fourteen, a majority

1308
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:14,240
Speaker 1: decision for Canelo Alvas. You cannot talk about the robbery

1309
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:16,799
Speaker 1: like we did the first time because the second fight

1310
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 1: was so great and because Canelo came forward, which means look,

1311
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:23,239
Speaker 1: I ended up scoring the fact that Triple G's jabs

1312
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:24,759
Speaker 1: were so volume in this and I thought he just

1313
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:26,279
Speaker 1: won more rounds really at the end of the day,

1314
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:28,319
Speaker 1: but Canelo won the story of this fight. He walked

1315
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:31,080
Speaker 1: down he Mexican style. He walked down the bigger puncher,

1316
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:33,480
Speaker 1: and I have no problem. Even though Triple G outlanded

1317
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:36,239
Speaker 1: him two thirty four to two h two according to compybox.

1318
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 1: Even though the jab total was one eighteen to fifty

1319
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 1: nine for Triple G, Canelos landed forty percent of his

1320
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:45,440
Speaker 1: power shots though, and this was a great, classic fight.

1321
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:47,919
Speaker 1: The only lament I have is that Triple G would

1322
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:49,520
Speaker 1: leave these two fights, the two big of a of

1323
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:52,760
Speaker 1: his career, with not one scorecard scored for him. That's interesting,

1324
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 1: That's that's tough.

1325
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 2: The other problem was, at this point, what he's thirty six,

1326
00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:59,120
Speaker 2: almost thirty seven years old, and you're asking yourself, okay,

1327
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:00,719
Speaker 2: you could run it back a time. And in fact, I

1328
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 2: even have a tweet at the time when I was

1329
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:04,239
Speaker 2: covering this fight and saying to myself, if they're going

1330
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 2: to do a third fight, it needs to be in

1331
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 2: New York for something of a slightly different audience, for

1332
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 2: perhaps a different set of judges.

1333
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:10,439
Speaker 3: Who knows.

1334
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:13,399
Speaker 2: But even if you did a third fight, BC, the

1335
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 2: second fight was sobering I think for Triple G fans

1336
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:18,600
Speaker 2: because I think they felt maybe you could make a

1337
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:21,280
Speaker 2: case that he won again, not not all that difficult

1338
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:23,640
Speaker 2: to make, per se, but he didn't. And so you're

1339
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 2: thinking about a third fight, You're saying, what would be

1340
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:26,719
Speaker 2: different in the third fight?

1341
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:28,879
Speaker 3: Given what happened in the second and the.

1342
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 2: Technical growth that you saw on the strategic change between

1343
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:33,880
Speaker 2: the first and the second, Triple G's only going to

1344
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 2: get older, Canelo's only going to get better.

1345
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:38,480
Speaker 3: Why would a third one ultimately be different?

1346
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:42,279
Speaker 2: Plus Canelo was sick of his ass can at this

1347
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 2: point was tired of answering questions about him, didn't want

1348
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:45,480
Speaker 2: to talk about him.

1349
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 1: And Canelo in that postfight press conference after the second fight.

1350
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:49,600
Speaker 1: He was beaten, but he had won. He had stood

1351
00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:52,200
Speaker 1: up to the bully. Incredible stuff. Here's why Canello is great.

1352
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:54,080
Speaker 1: He now signed a deal with his own first a

1353
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:56,799
Speaker 1: one off to come back less than three months later

1354
00:55:56,840 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 1: after the Savage War, to move up and wait take

1355
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:02,520
Speaker 1: on Rock Fielding for a secondary super middleweight title. But

1356
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:03,800
Speaker 1: it gave us a vision of who he could be

1357
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 1: at super midweight. Hegets the knockout before though he would

1358
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:08,960
Speaker 1: campaign at sixty eight. He'd go back down to middleweight

1359
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:11,880
Speaker 1: one more time in a unification butt fight against a

1360
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:15,400
Speaker 1: prime Danny Jacobs, the same guy who had stopped gloveskins

1361
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:17,960
Speaker 1: twenty three fight knockout streak by going the distance against

1362
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:21,120
Speaker 1: him Luke May fourth, twenty nineteen. We look at this

1363
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 1: in retrospect as Okay Hohm, another close but clear Canelo

1364
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:29,439
Speaker 1: unanimous decisions. It was squeaky bubb this This is a

1365
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:32,840
Speaker 1: really good fight, not great, a really good fight. Jacob's

1366
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:35,800
Speaker 1: thirty five and two coming in to unify three titles,

1367
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:38,200
Speaker 1: the last fight for triple or for Canelo at middleweight

1368
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:40,400
Speaker 1: and Luke. He's twenty eight years old. In his absolute

1369
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:43,160
Speaker 1: physical prime. This was the beginning of the Canelo we

1370
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:46,120
Speaker 1: would see at super middleweight because he's He's not fearful

1371
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:48,640
Speaker 1: of Jacob's power, even though Jacobs is three inches bigger

1372
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:51,120
Speaker 1: in height, three inches longer reach, and is basically a

1373
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:51,800
Speaker 1: super middleweight.

1374
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:54,680
Speaker 3: When he cuts down, we should know. Danny Jacobs's slick

1375
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:55,400
Speaker 3: as hell.

1376
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:57,759
Speaker 1: And he can punch, so Luke, this was a fun

1377
00:56:57,800 --> 00:57:00,200
Speaker 1: fight back and forth. You can see the improvements that

1378
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:03,400
Speaker 1: Canelo made just from sharing a ring for twenty four

1379
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:05,640
Speaker 1: rounds with Triple G. He had to get savvier, he

1380
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:08,319
Speaker 1: had to get smarter. That was on display. Here's my

1381
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:09,440
Speaker 1: problem at the end of the day. And tell me

1382
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:12,320
Speaker 1: if I'm just a guy who favors pure boxers or

1383
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:15,480
Speaker 1: maybe I'm anti Canelo. Score those fight six rounds to

1384
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:17,439
Speaker 1: six at the end, and I feel like if Danny

1385
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:19,960
Speaker 1: Jacobs had been busier in the championship rounds, he could

1386
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:20,919
Speaker 1: have taken a decision here.

1387
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:23,400
Speaker 3: From me, I think there has to be something because

1388
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:23,760
Speaker 3: he's the.

1389
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:26,800
Speaker 1: Prototype wrong body structure of a guy for Canela fight.

1390
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:27,520
Speaker 3: Two reactions.

1391
00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:29,400
Speaker 2: I have to this one after this fight and the

1392
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:31,520
Speaker 2: two Triple G fights and the Laura fight and the

1393
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:33,440
Speaker 2: Trout fight, which they're all different in their own ways,

1394
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:35,720
Speaker 2: but if there's one commonality, it's like, dude.

1395
00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:37,280
Speaker 3: How did Canelo win that? Exactly?

1396
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:39,440
Speaker 2: And especially by some of the wider margins that we saw,

1397
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:42,960
Speaker 2: there has to be something bc to sitting ringside. I

1398
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:46,240
Speaker 2: just wonder from an auditory standpoint, if they just feel

1399
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:48,120
Speaker 2: and sound different and whatever.

1400
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:49,680
Speaker 1: Because I feel the compun just feel bigger.

1401
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 2: It's just hard to explain this consistently, these kinds of scorecards.

1402
00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 2: I would also say, you alluded to it at the

1403
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:56,920
Speaker 2: beginning of what we did. It's worth reminding folks, win

1404
00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:58,440
Speaker 2: or learn right, would either win or you lose, but

1405
00:57:58,440 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 2: if you lose, you learn well. He doesn't have the

1406
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:03,360
Speaker 2: But dude, if you watch this fight against Danny Jacobs

1407
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:06,080
Speaker 2: at the T Mobile Arena in Las Vegas, what you

1408
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:10,080
Speaker 2: come away with is he absolutely has matured as a fighter.

1409
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:13,280
Speaker 2: And all of the things that didn't necessarily cost him

1410
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:14,880
Speaker 2: in the win and lost column but maybe have been

1411
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 2: causes for concerns, he has ironed out most of them.

1412
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:22,160
Speaker 2: He has addressed them. He was a boxer in full

1413
00:58:22,560 --> 00:58:25,440
Speaker 2: against Danny Jacobs. Even if you want to argue that

1414
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:27,800
Speaker 2: Jacobs did more to win that fight.

1415
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:28,840
Speaker 3: You cannot argue.

1416
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:31,840
Speaker 2: Against the slickness now defensively and offensively.

1417
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:33,720
Speaker 1: I want to argue that Jacobs could have done more,

1418
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:35,600
Speaker 1: but like Codo, he would have risked getting knocked out.

1419
00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:37,640
Speaker 1: I think Canelo has a way better chin than Danny Jacobs.

1420
00:58:37,720 --> 00:58:39,480
Speaker 1: Jacobs went south Paul Landa the best punch of the

1421
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:41,480
Speaker 1: fight in round nine that left cross. It kind of

1422
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:43,600
Speaker 1: wabbled Canel a little bit. And even though Jacobs took

1423
00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:46,439
Speaker 1: on the posture of I'm ready to brawl, he really wasn't.

1424
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:48,280
Speaker 1: I think that cost him. We go to the scorecards

1425
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:51,000
Speaker 1: one sixteen, one twelve, one fifteen, one thirteen, and one

1426
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:53,640
Speaker 1: fifteen one thirteen. So the judges bills seven five seventy

1427
00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:57,520
Speaker 1: five eighty four, but Canelo unifies middleway titles one eighty

1428
00:58:57,560 --> 00:58:59,960
Speaker 1: eight to one thirty one. Canelo is the advantage of

1429
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:03,360
Speaker 1: the punching stats, so it's a big Canilo win. But Luke,

1430
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:07,040
Speaker 1: now we're going not just to sixty eight, We're gonna

1431
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:08,920
Speaker 1: move up two way classes. Our next fight and challenge

1432
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:11,200
Speaker 1: thirty six year old Cerge cove Let for the WBC

1433
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:13,960
Speaker 1: Light Everywhere. Yeah, this got Canelo is a badass. I'm

1434
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:17,080
Speaker 1: sorry I don't care if that's old covialv. Young Colt

1435
00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:19,680
Speaker 1: would would kick, would push your shit in, dude, Old

1436
00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:20,720
Speaker 1: Covelet can still punch.

1437
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:23,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, Well this is Crusher, right, oh, Crusher covialv.

1438
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:25,240
Speaker 2: This was the fight, though for some fans who might

1439
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:27,560
Speaker 2: remember this either on the boxing or the MMA side

1440
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:31,240
Speaker 2: where the main event had to wait for the BMF fight,

1441
00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:32,280
Speaker 2: I believe that's right.

1442
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:34,360
Speaker 1: I was in the arena at the MGM Grand Garden

1443
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:36,600
Speaker 1: as we watched the UFCBMF fight on the big screen

1444
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:38,480
Speaker 1: as Canelo and cove lever on the couch in the

1445
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:40,680
Speaker 1: back of a weird moon made a bad decision.

1446
00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:41,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a weird moment.

1447
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:44,600
Speaker 2: But to that point there were questions about covial Lev

1448
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:45,840
Speaker 2: being a little bit shop worn.

1449
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:47,400
Speaker 3: Obviously, the word fights were long in the past.

1450
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:49,240
Speaker 1: He had gone life or death with Anthony Yard a

1451
00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:51,800
Speaker 1: few months earlier and want a close decision to get

1452
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:53,560
Speaker 1: this fight. But he wasn't late stop.

1453
00:59:54,520 --> 00:59:55,520
Speaker 3: But he was exactly his prime.

1454
00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:57,280
Speaker 2: But you thought, I remember at the weigh ins when

1455
00:59:57,320 --> 00:59:58,720
Speaker 2: they faced off at each other.

1456
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:01,320
Speaker 3: You're like, dude, Canel looks like his little brother.

1457
01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:04,320
Speaker 1: What is he four inches taller two and a half

1458
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:06,520
Speaker 1: half inch of reach, and we expected would have the

1459
01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:10,800
Speaker 1: punching power. Covialev destroyed folks at one seventy five like

1460
01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:13,680
Speaker 1: and he could box. Go watch the Bernard Hopkins fight, Luke.

1461
01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:16,400
Speaker 1: What I did not expect was that from the very

1462
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:19,920
Speaker 1: beginning until this fight ended in round eleven, Canelo was

1463
01:00:19,960 --> 01:00:22,960
Speaker 1: the stalker and the bigger puncher, and Covialev was the boxer.

1464
01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:25,240
Speaker 1: It was as if they had just made that decision

1465
01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:27,160
Speaker 1: beforehand and that's all the fight was gonna go. It

1466
01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:28,240
Speaker 1: was very fascinating.

1467
01:00:28,520 --> 01:00:30,919
Speaker 2: The reason why I think he did that in retrospect

1468
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:33,000
Speaker 2: was because of that reach that Covialt had, even though

1469
01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:34,880
Speaker 2: he was a little bit washy washy at this time.

1470
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:38,000
Speaker 2: If you're gonna make effective use of what reach you

1471
01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:40,120
Speaker 2: have against an opponent this tall, in this rangeing, you

1472
01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:42,160
Speaker 2: gotta get him up against the ropes. You gotta limit

1473
01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:44,640
Speaker 2: what space he can use to movie. We all know

1474
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:46,800
Speaker 2: in the ropes they can still slide back and everything

1475
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:48,320
Speaker 2: else like that. But I feel like he had to

1476
01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:50,439
Speaker 2: do that just to get on the inside. He didn't

1477
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:52,680
Speaker 2: want to let that guy play, And dude, I'll say

1478
01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:55,000
Speaker 2: this to his to Covilev's credit. I thought he was

1479
01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:58,560
Speaker 2: winning that fight for the most part up until he.

1480
01:00:58,640 --> 01:01:00,840
Speaker 1: Had him by one point. The fisial scorecards at the

1481
01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:02,520
Speaker 1: time of the stop age were ninety six ninety four,

1482
01:01:02,600 --> 01:01:05,280
Speaker 1: ninety six ninety four, and ninety five ninety five, So

1483
01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:09,200
Speaker 1: no for Canelo on both I had it the other

1484
01:01:09,240 --> 01:01:11,640
Speaker 1: way ninety six ninety four Covallev. The point was covi

1485
01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:13,520
Speaker 1: Lev bought, and AE wants to say it now. Covil

1486
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:15,320
Speaker 1: thought it a really interesting fight.

1487
01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:17,720
Speaker 2: On the side, the whole story of the fight was

1488
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:19,840
Speaker 2: Kenello goes up too weight classes and stops covial Lev.

1489
01:01:20,040 --> 01:01:23,160
Speaker 3: Well the ten rounds previously, Kovalev was I thought of

1490
01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:25,160
Speaker 3: quitting himself for the most part quite nicely.

1491
01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:27,800
Speaker 1: But when the opening was there, Canelo delivered the boom.

1492
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:29,080
Speaker 1: He hurt him with the right hand, but then it

1493
01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:31,560
Speaker 1: was left hook right into that round. I mean, he

1494
01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:33,120
Speaker 1: knocked him the hell out.

1495
01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:36,360
Speaker 2: Dude for his ho sees that ship, dude, his power

1496
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:38,800
Speaker 2: to carry up to one seventy five. You can say

1497
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:41,120
Speaker 2: what you want about Covialev state and that's fine, but dude,

1498
01:01:41,120 --> 01:01:44,160
Speaker 2: when you're knocking out a visibly larger man that way,

1499
01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:45,840
Speaker 2: who is yes, to be a little washing but also

1500
01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:46,600
Speaker 2: battle tested.

1501
01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:47,560
Speaker 3: And again it.

1502
01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:48,960
Speaker 2: Wasn't like he'd been getting run over for the ten

1503
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:52,080
Speaker 2: previous rounds. For your power to carry up that high,

1504
01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:54,960
Speaker 2: you just you knew that you were a set. This

1505
01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:59,200
Speaker 2: was one of those fights where you're through the Kirkland fight,

1506
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:03,120
Speaker 2: you could raise the floor of how his deficiencies would

1507
01:02:03,120 --> 01:02:05,840
Speaker 2: need to be re evaluated. This was now his offense,

1508
01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:07,280
Speaker 2: raising his ceiling.

1509
01:02:07,240 --> 01:02:09,920
Speaker 1: And Luke he would become a destroyer. At one sixty eight,

1510
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:12,360
Speaker 1: he move back down to defeat Calm Smith in a

1511
01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:16,920
Speaker 1: wide decision destroy mandatory challenger Avenue Eieldura meant to close

1512
01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:20,200
Speaker 1: Canelo's most recent fight May eighth of this year, twenty

1513
01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:23,320
Speaker 1: twenty one, Jerry World and Arlington. It goes down as

1514
01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:26,200
Speaker 1: a TKO eight because Billy Joe Saunders retired on his

1515
01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:29,160
Speaker 1: stool after breaking his orbital bone. What I learned about

1516
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:30,800
Speaker 1: this version of Canolo, which is the most recent, the

1517
01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:32,080
Speaker 1: one that we're going to see now step into the

1518
01:02:32,120 --> 01:02:34,720
Speaker 1: ring with Caleb Plant is he is a stalker at

1519
01:02:34,720 --> 01:02:36,640
Speaker 1: one sixty eight, and he's not waiting for you, He's

1520
01:02:36,680 --> 01:02:38,520
Speaker 1: coming after you. And really it comes down to you

1521
01:02:38,520 --> 01:02:40,320
Speaker 1: could be like Billy Joe and win some cute rounds

1522
01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:42,760
Speaker 1: in the middle, but once it's time to sit in trade.

1523
01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:44,880
Speaker 1: At one sixty eight, he's a destroyer.

1524
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:45,959
Speaker 3: Okays, let's get this straight.

1525
01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:48,640
Speaker 2: He drops Kovalev and finishes him off in the eleventh

1526
01:02:48,680 --> 01:02:49,800
Speaker 2: in the what was it sixth round?

1527
01:02:49,840 --> 01:02:51,640
Speaker 3: Eighth round and against Billy Joe Saunders.

1528
01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:54,680
Speaker 2: Saunders is leaning over to the side and Canelo catches

1529
01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:57,640
Speaker 2: him not in front of him, but off to the side,

1530
01:02:57,640 --> 01:03:00,480
Speaker 2: and leaning doesn't just break his face, he broke it

1531
01:03:00,520 --> 01:03:02,760
Speaker 2: in a place where it's not even clear Billy Joe

1532
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:05,840
Speaker 2: Saunders can or will fight again. It was extensive damage

1533
01:03:05,880 --> 01:03:08,760
Speaker 2: all through the eye socket off of one punch.

1534
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:10,240
Speaker 3: You can credit the Saunders.

1535
01:03:10,320 --> 01:03:12,080
Speaker 2: He reacts, but he kind of guts out the rest

1536
01:03:12,080 --> 01:03:14,360
Speaker 2: of the round and does it, and then they obviously

1537
01:03:14,360 --> 01:03:16,439
Speaker 2: called the fight after that. Here's my point, PC, dude

1538
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:21,200
Speaker 2: at one sixty eight literally breaking guys faces. I don't

1539
01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:23,240
Speaker 2: think anyone saw this when he was at one fifty

1540
01:03:23,240 --> 01:03:26,760
Speaker 2: four and whatever, he never would have imagined his power

1541
01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:27,520
Speaker 2: carried this much.

1542
01:03:27,560 --> 01:03:29,680
Speaker 3: And now look at it. What can you say is

1543
01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:30,360
Speaker 3: he is.

1544
01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:33,760
Speaker 2: A puncher up to weight classes in those divisions. He

1545
01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:34,760
Speaker 2: can punch for them.

1546
01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:37,600
Speaker 1: Those creat athlete, and he does not have speed deficiencies

1547
01:03:37,640 --> 01:03:39,880
Speaker 1: at these weight classes because he's moved up so much.

1548
01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:41,840
Speaker 1: There's a little bit of Pachio in that and the

1549
01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:43,720
Speaker 1: darness and the bar of the daring to be great.

1550
01:03:43,720 --> 01:03:45,960
Speaker 1: But he could just be any fighter he wants, seemingly

1551
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:47,840
Speaker 1: at any weight class. And that's where we have your

1552
01:03:47,880 --> 01:03:50,400
Speaker 1: PROMP for pound King entering November six, show Time pay

1553
01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:53,200
Speaker 1: per view, and you're unified super middleweight champion looking for

1554
01:03:53,240 --> 01:03:55,360
Speaker 1: that last belt, the fourth one, the IBF title that

1555
01:03:55,440 --> 01:03:58,000
Speaker 1: Caleb plant has. It'll go down in Las Vegas on

1556
01:03:58,040 --> 01:04:00,480
Speaker 1: Showtime paper review, last quest the road that we just

1557
01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:03,240
Speaker 1: recap the get here though, Luke, you have a complete,

1558
01:04:03,240 --> 01:04:04,920
Speaker 1: all time great fighter here in Canel offers.

1559
01:04:05,040 --> 01:04:06,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, he can do everything at this point and again,

1560
01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:09,000
Speaker 2: even though through he got the wins and controversial losses,

1561
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:10,640
Speaker 2: it's not like he didn't take lessons from them. He

1562
01:04:10,640 --> 01:04:12,840
Speaker 2: didn't coast on those things. Question for you with a

1563
01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:16,880
Speaker 2: Kayleb plant one, who does he most resemble among previous

1564
01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:18,960
Speaker 2: fights that Canelo has had. I know he's his own man.

1565
01:04:19,080 --> 01:04:21,280
Speaker 1: He's his own man. There's not a perfect one, even

1566
01:04:21,280 --> 01:04:24,440
Speaker 1: though it's righty lefty. The last fight Billy Joe Saunders,

1567
01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:26,920
Speaker 1: I think was the guy that we thought, Okay, this

1568
01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:28,880
Speaker 1: is a style we haven't seen Canelo beat on this level.

1569
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:30,560
Speaker 1: A guy who can be negative if he wants, he

1570
01:04:30,560 --> 01:04:32,439
Speaker 1: can hold, he can slow down the pace of the fight,

1571
01:04:32,600 --> 01:04:34,440
Speaker 1: can land with long arms and then get out of

1572
01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:36,280
Speaker 1: the way and basically make you have to fight his

1573
01:04:36,320 --> 01:04:39,320
Speaker 1: fight Canelo did. Only Canelo landed such hard corner shots

1574
01:04:39,360 --> 01:04:41,800
Speaker 1: that he almost knocked the mouthpiece out of Billy Joe's

1575
01:04:41,800 --> 01:04:44,240
Speaker 1: mouth in round four before setting up for when he

1576
01:04:44,240 --> 01:04:47,280
Speaker 1: broke his face. That Caleb Plants more of a pure

1577
01:04:47,320 --> 01:04:49,600
Speaker 1: boxer and not so much smoking mirrors Joe. Billy Joe

1578
01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:51,160
Speaker 1: Saunders wants you to miss, and then he wants to

1579
01:04:51,280 --> 01:04:53,320
Speaker 1: do an act right kind of like Laura did right,

1580
01:04:53,320 --> 01:04:54,760
Speaker 1: to try to win over the crowd and show you

1581
01:04:54,840 --> 01:04:57,200
Speaker 1: as artistry. Kaylb Plant just wants to get in and out.

1582
01:04:57,360 --> 01:05:00,440
Speaker 1: If his speed is that much more profound than Canelo,

1583
01:05:00,760 --> 01:05:02,680
Speaker 1: this could be an interesting style matchup. That's what we're gonna

1584
01:05:02,680 --> 01:05:03,040
Speaker 1: have to find out.

1585
01:05:03,080 --> 01:05:04,720
Speaker 3: We are going to see it on November six. I

1586
01:05:04,720 --> 01:05:05,160
Speaker 3: can't wait.

1587
01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:08,400
Speaker 1: Let's see if Canilavas can break the curse of morning combat.

1588
01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:09,840
Speaker 1: If you like what we did here. That's Luke Thomas,

1589
01:05:09,840 --> 01:05:12,040
Speaker 1: Brian Campbell. You can follow us watch us every Monday,

1590
01:05:12,080 --> 01:05:15,240
Speaker 1: Wednesday and Friday eleven am Eastern on YouTube, covering all

1591
01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:17,640
Speaker 1: the big headlines, news recaps, boxing and m m A

1592
01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:20,760
Speaker 1: for our great staff here and for the current King

1593
01:05:20,840 --> 01:05:23,280
Speaker 1: Canola fors as we enter into another big one. Uh

1594
01:05:23,320 --> 01:05:26,160
Speaker 1: that's LT that's BC. Thanks for joining us. Enjoy the fights.

1595
01:05:26,200 --> 01:05:32,520
Speaker 1: November six, how did you envision?

1596
01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:36,040
Speaker 3: Thanks you having about our sex? Gan?

1597
01:05:40,960 --> 01:05:43,440
Speaker 2: Yes, a story, It's a looky, It's a look at us,

1598
01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:44,160
Speaker 2: look at us.

1599
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:48,280
Speaker 4: Whisk Meg and my Henri. Is anym is necessary? People

1600
01:05:48,320 --> 01:05:50,600
Speaker 4: say that, you know, like, oh, buy any means necessary,

1601
01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:53,440
Speaker 4: But I've really had to buy any means necessary no

1602
01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:53,960
Speaker 4: matter what.

1603
01:05:56,840 --> 01:05:57,960
Speaker 3: Oh, I know what that means.

1604
01:05:58,080 --> 01:06:02,120
Speaker 2: First, al primero Latin America.

1605
01:06:03,200 --> 01:06:04,360
Speaker 3: Primeto is the basil.

1606
01:06:04,840 --> 01:06:07,080
Speaker 4: He cares, he's heard of.

1607
01:06:08,280 --> 01:06:08,600
Speaker 3: Look at.

1608
01:06:10,120 --> 01:06:12,040
Speaker 4: He's gonna find out at the same time that everybody

1609
01:06:12,120 --> 01:06:14,160
Speaker 4: else found out when they thought that I was just

1610
01:06:14,200 --> 01:06:16,640
Speaker 4: another show that they found out when it was too late.

1611
01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:24,760
Speaker 3: Okay, and then jo I named luka Ala mis slogan

1612
01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:25,760
Speaker 3: is already sa