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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan. In this episode number one nine,

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Speaker 1: tennis show is just me and Dan and we're going

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Speaker 1: to catch up a bit on our current white tailed

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Speaker 1: projects and discuss the tricky topic of technology and hunting.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to you

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Speaker 1: by Sick Gear, and today it's just me and my

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Speaker 1: co host Dan Johnson, and we're gonna be catching up

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Speaker 1: on some of our current white tail related projects and

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Speaker 1: maybe a couple of other interesting rabbit holes if we

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Speaker 1: have time. I don't know. We'll see where things take us.

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Speaker 1: But it's gonna be casual. It's gonna be fun. So

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Speaker 1: how you been Dan, It's been a while since we've

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Speaker 1: been able to just the two of us get on talk. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I know, I know. Like how casual are we going today? Like?

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Speaker 1: Would you feel comfortable if I took my shorts off? Um?

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Speaker 1: Not that casual? I guess you can. You can't really

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Speaker 1: see me, No, I can't see you. But now that

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Speaker 1: you're starting to describe it, now, I'm it's like it's

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Speaker 1: forcing like a horrible image on me. And that's the

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Speaker 1: part that I'm not so comfortable with to keep them on.

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Speaker 1: This is you know, we gotta be professional. You know

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Speaker 1: you don't need you don't need to wear them. Just

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Speaker 1: don't tell me about it, how about that? Okay? Okay, Hey,

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Speaker 1: I'll know that for next time. To be honest, I'm

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Speaker 1: not sure I've always worn shorts wh we've recorded in

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Speaker 1: the past, So think about that next time you're listening

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Speaker 1: to an archived episode. So so we are. We are

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Speaker 1: gonna be talking about deer hunting today, folks, So don't worry.

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Speaker 1: We're not just talking about weird stuff. But yeah, but

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Speaker 1: but real quickly, then, what's new? I feel like there's

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Speaker 1: been some some exciting new things happening with you since

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Speaker 1: we've chatted last right, but actually before Dan answers that,

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Speaker 1: let's take a quick break now before we dive too

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Speaker 1: deep into this conversation for our sickst story of the day,

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Speaker 1: and today, we've had a quick anecdote from Ben Harshein,

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Speaker 1: the founder of hunter Maps and also an avid user

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Speaker 1: of Sick of Gear products, and a while back, while

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Speaker 1: hunting Kansas, Ben had a close encounter with a legendary buck,

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Speaker 1: and that encounter and animal was so impressive that Ben

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Speaker 1: actually decided to let him pass. I'll let Ben explain

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Speaker 1: exactly why he did that. Yeah, so I kind of

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Speaker 1: went through some changes pretty quick. Um when I first

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Speaker 1: caught a glimpse of of my news to shoot right away,

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Speaker 1: and then as he came in and started realizing, Okay,

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Speaker 1: this is Tank and and I'm well aware of Tank.

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Speaker 1: I mean I've seen all the sheds of maps gotten

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Speaker 1: from him over the years, um seen hundreds of trail

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Speaker 1: he got closer, um man, he just really took over

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Speaker 1: I mean, just awesome white tail footage and him snort

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Speaker 1: Weason and he was just so worked up with throwing

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Speaker 1: And I really feel like Matt should be the one

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Speaker 1: light too. But you know, I don't know. I I

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Speaker 1: hunt for reasons, um um, for a lot of reasons

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Speaker 1: that uh, you know, Facebook likes and and and just

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Speaker 1: measurement of success to me, and I really go out

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Speaker 1: And I I think that I've got a trail camp

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Speaker 1: on this hunt, Ben was wearing a fanatic hoodie and

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Speaker 1: the Celsius shack it. If you'd like to learn more

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Speaker 1: about Sick of Gear, you can visit sick of gear

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Speaker 1: dot com. And now let's get back to the show

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Speaker 1: and Dan tell us what is new, dude, not really. Um,

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Speaker 1: let's talk about trail cameras really quick. UM, I know

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Speaker 1: you've been testing out some new cameras from Exodus, which

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Speaker 1: pretty cool. Um like maybn Optics and like qu and

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Speaker 1: some other direct to consumer companies. You know this. I

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Speaker 1: sell their's at like Cabela's or Bass Pro Shopper in

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Speaker 1: if that makes sense, right. Yeah, No, I love that

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Speaker 1: So this this this money saving, right, it's all about

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Speaker 1: Really think it's brand new, like it's not completely finished,

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Speaker 1: what the rule would because it's technically not a house.

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Speaker 1: I mean, do you have to be erg This is

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Speaker 1: I want to know a whole bunch more things about him.

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Speaker 1: Maybe we should think about getting expanding and start talking

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Speaker 1: about you know, uh, you know, squatter's rights and tiny

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Speaker 1: Wired to Tiny House podcast will be coming to you. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: here I can't remember if we've talked about this on

429
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Speaker 1: this show or not. Um, we probably have, But I

430
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:23,399
Speaker 1: think to your point, right, there's this belief that we

431
00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:26,720
Speaker 1: need to unite its hunters, which I agree. There's a

432
00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:30,000
Speaker 1: lot of outside factors and people and groups that want

433
00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:32,520
Speaker 1: to tear hunters apart and tear away our rights and

434
00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:35,280
Speaker 1: stuff like that. So I really think that we shouldn't

435
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:38,080
Speaker 1: be bickering over petty things, and we shouldn't be attacking

436
00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:41,320
Speaker 1: each other about different things, etcetera, etcetera. At the same time, though,

437
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:43,800
Speaker 1: and you tell me if you disagree with us, Dan,

438
00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:46,680
Speaker 1: but at the same time, I think it is also

439
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,840
Speaker 1: important for us to still have internal dialogue within our

440
00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:53,200
Speaker 1: hunting community about where do we draw these lines about

441
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:58,200
Speaker 1: what is acceptable, and to some degree, um, in a

442
00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 1: positive manner, police our own selves, because if the hunting

443
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:07,480
Speaker 1: community starts just being okay with unethical behavior that from

444
00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:11,119
Speaker 1: the outside is very obviously unethical, we're gonna start getting

445
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:13,600
Speaker 1: our rights taken away. Or whether we want them or not,

446
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:16,000
Speaker 1: because as soon as we start doing some bad ship,

447
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,199
Speaker 1: we're gonna start losing the privilege as hunting. So I

448
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:22,159
Speaker 1: think it's better for us to internally police ourselves and say, hey,

449
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,800
Speaker 1: you know what, maybe we really should be careful about

450
00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:28,480
Speaker 1: not doing X, or being careful not to portray ourselves

451
00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:33,080
Speaker 1: as you know, whatever this thing is, because that, you know,

452
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:35,920
Speaker 1: is going to hurt the larger thing we're doing here.

453
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:37,639
Speaker 1: You know, if you've got someone who's poking holes in

454
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:39,960
Speaker 1: the boat, are you gonna say, well, no, you're on

455
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:41,480
Speaker 1: the boat with me, so we're just gonna let you

456
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:43,320
Speaker 1: float along until we all sink. Or are you going

457
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:45,879
Speaker 1: to tell the person poking holes to stop doing that

458
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:48,720
Speaker 1: dumb stuff so we'll keep on floating. I think there's

459
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:51,640
Speaker 1: there's a happy medium between the two where we stay

460
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:53,879
Speaker 1: together as as a core group of hunters, but we

461
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,360
Speaker 1: also are okay with the fact that, yeah, we need

462
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:58,520
Speaker 1: to police ourselves. We need to talk about some of

463
00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:00,320
Speaker 1: these things, and we need to figure out what is

464
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 1: the right direction moving forward collectively so that we can

465
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,640
Speaker 1: all still continue to do this and you know, enjoy

466
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 1: this hunting heritage that we have. Um, does that make sense.

467
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:12,119
Speaker 1: It make it definitely makes sense. And we you know,

468
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:17,399
Speaker 1: when when we have that conversation too, Uh, when that

469
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:21,920
Speaker 1: conversation happens, we have to know that people don't agree

470
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:24,560
Speaker 1: with us. So a lot of times what happens is

471
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 1: people instantly go into a defense mode and then they

472
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,000
Speaker 1: don't want to talk about it. All they want to

473
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 1: do is start blaming and blaming other groups and defending

474
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:40,880
Speaker 1: themselves instead of realizing that, hey, a conversation, some kind

475
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 1: of conversation has to be had. We have to have

476
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:48,120
Speaker 1: open minds and we have to you know, in regards

477
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:51,040
Speaker 1: I'll just say that, you know, the high fence hunting,

478
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 1: you know, with the potential for disease outbreak or the

479
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:58,240
Speaker 1: you know, is high fence hunting you know, considered ethical

480
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. And you know, Hi, I know,

481
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 1: I know guys who are high fence hunter outfitters. They're

482
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:10,919
Speaker 1: they're genuinely good people who you know, raise their families

483
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 1: just like we raise our families, you know, So not

484
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 1: necessarily here to defend that, but they have a right

485
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 1: to do that because it's legal, you know what I mean.

486
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 1: And I think to that point or any point, I think, um,

487
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:28,639
Speaker 1: it's like how you approach a situation like that. So

488
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,439
Speaker 1: let's say in the case of high fence hunting, like

489
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,440
Speaker 1: we've talked about this before, I personally have some very

490
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 1: serious concerns about a the disease issues that a lot

491
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,480
Speaker 1: of you know, there's a lot of evidence pointing to

492
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:44,119
Speaker 1: the fact that some of these facilities are facilitating the

493
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:47,399
Speaker 1: transfer of diseases like c w D at a greater

494
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:49,880
Speaker 1: rate than would be happening otherwise. So that's a big concern.

495
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:54,640
Speaker 1: And then be the ethics, the ethical standpoint or questions

496
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 1: about how some of these places are operated in what

497
00:26:56,800 --> 00:27:00,240
Speaker 1: they're considering hunting, and then the impact that has on

498
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,960
Speaker 1: the outside community, the non hunting public who sees that,

499
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 1: sees people calling that hunting, and then attributes that behavior

500
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 1: to all of us, which then could potentially hurt the

501
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:12,639
Speaker 1: future of all hunters, whether it be high fence, no fence,

502
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 1: public land, private land, etcetera. So so those are my

503
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,119
Speaker 1: concerns about it. And so because I have concerns and

504
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 1: I have an opinion, right, I'm going to engage in

505
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 1: discussions with people and you know, maybe lobby for certain

506
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 1: types of things to address those concerns. But to your point, right,

507
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,400
Speaker 1: I'm not going to demonize the actual person, right. I mean,

508
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:34,919
Speaker 1: they have a right to do something. They have a

509
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 1: right to, you know, participate in something differently than the

510
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:39,879
Speaker 1: way I want to do it. And that's okay. You know,

511
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:43,200
Speaker 1: we're all entitled to our own way of enjoying nature

512
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:45,680
Speaker 1: or our own means of making a living, whatever it

513
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:49,359
Speaker 1: might be. I might not necessarily care for. But that

514
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:51,679
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that, you know, we have to call him

515
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,119
Speaker 1: a son of a bitch, and you know whatever, be

516
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,680
Speaker 1: nasty about it. So I think there's with all these things,

517
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 1: whether it be politics, which is very you know, timely

518
00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:03,679
Speaker 1: the these days, with the stuff going on, or technology

519
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 1: and hunting or different modes of hunting or different ways

520
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,159
Speaker 1: of going about it, we're gonna have our differences. We

521
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 1: can share our opinions on those differences, we can disagree,

522
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:16,640
Speaker 1: we can suggest different things, but let's not attack each other,

523
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 1: you know, right right. I had I had a conversation

524
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 1: with a guy a while back about bear hunting and baiting,

525
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:28,879
Speaker 1: and I was under, you know, unless you're actually doing it,

526
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:32,119
Speaker 1: you don't know. I've never I've never bear hunted. And

527
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,199
Speaker 1: I had a conversation with a guy who lives up

528
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 1: in Canada, and he was talking about um baiting bear

529
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,479
Speaker 1: and I just when I I wanted to get him

530
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 1: on my podcast because I wanted to know what it

531
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 1: was like without having to do it. So what better

532
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 1: way to talk, you know, find out than actually having

533
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 1: someone that's actually does it. So anyway, he's he's telling

534
00:28:56,520 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 1: me that the baiting process isn't just going out the

535
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 1: couple of days before the hunt and throwing out a

536
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 1: whole bunch of you know, fish or or um beaver

537
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 1: carcasses or bread or gravy or whatever. It takes hundreds

538
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 1: of pounds of food every week for several weeks to

539
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 1: establish a site that the bears are going to come

540
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 1: to too. So it actually takes a lot of time, energy, money,

541
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 1: effort to to do that, to get to the point

542
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 1: where these bears are coming to that. And it kind

543
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 1: of opened my eyes a little bit that hey, this

544
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 1: is in a way, it's kind of hard work, right right.

545
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 1: I mean there's so many examples of that too, right,

546
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 1: like people talking about baiting versus food, plotting versus you know,

547
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 1: not using anyone or the above. And you know, we

548
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 1: each have our own opinions on that kind of stuff,

549
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 1: And I guess there's a lot of instances where it's

550
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 1: like you can't judge until you've done it. And also,

551
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 1: you know, we have different goals in what we're trying

552
00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 1: to do in different parts of the experience that we

553
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 1: value you. Um, so yeah, I mean kind of, you know.

554
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 1: I I never have been too intrigued with the idea

555
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 1: of bow hunting or hunting bears over bait, because that

556
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 1: just didn't seem like the experience I would want on

557
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 1: a bear hunt. But at the same time, who am

558
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 1: I to judge someone else or doing that nothing all

559
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 1: that you know? And um, I think you make a

560
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 1: great point. Until you actually learn more about it or

561
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 1: do it, you probably shouldn't pass too much judgment. Um.

562
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 1: There's a story that Steve Ronnell always talks. He's mentioned

563
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 1: a number of different times. I don't know if we've

564
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 1: ever heard him share the story, but he talks some

565
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna steal this story right now. He talks about

566
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 1: this conversation he had with a friend. I guess he

567
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 1: was he was deer hunting down in some southeastern state,

568
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 1: Georgia or something, and he was telling his buddy while

569
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 1: they're sitting in this big, like elevated box blind. It

570
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 1: was like a condo blind with recliners and windows and

571
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 1: all sorts of fancy stuff. And then they're sitting in

572
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 1: this big thing looking down like big spoked lines of

573
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 1: food plot coming out from the blind they're sitting, they're

574
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 1: sitting up in you know, they've got heater and they're off.

575
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 1: And while they're sitting in there, Steve is telling his

576
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 1: friend about how he's going on a mountain lion hunt

577
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 1: with dogs and all the intricacy and the work that

578
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 1: goes into training dogs to track you know, dry land

579
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 1: mountain lions and all this stuff. And his friend is like,

580
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 1: I don't know about you, but that doesn't really sound

581
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 1: like hunting to me. Like he's like, I just as

582
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 1: it sounds very like you're really hunting, just just running dogs,

583
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:27,959
Speaker 1: And um. You know, that's the irony of situations like

584
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 1: that is he can be sitting in a condo looking

585
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 1: over you know, this perfectly manicured deer killing machine little plot,

586
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 1: and then he's criticizing someone else for not really being

587
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 1: a hunter. And I think that that's that's a good

588
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 1: example of something that probably happens a lot every day.

589
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 1: We all kind of get into our own little world

590
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 1: and and it's easy right to to judge the way

591
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:50,959
Speaker 1: someone else does something. And I'm definitely guilty of it

592
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 1: as as much as anyone probably, So it's a good

593
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:55,719
Speaker 1: little reminder to to kind of try to look at

594
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 1: these types of things throughout, you know, with other perspectives,

595
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 1: you know, and be open to other perspectives. Nothing against

596
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 1: you know, there's nothing wrong with having that debate and conversation,

597
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 1: but to also be open to other DEAs. Yeah, what

598
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 1: other technology issues? And now we're on this topic of technology,

599
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 1: what about with drones? You brought that up. Do you

600
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 1: think there's any way that drones should be allowed within

601
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 1: the hunting world? My personal opinion is no. I mean,

602
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 1: I mean, if you open the door to some of

603
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 1: this stuff, it's just a Pandora's box of what could

604
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 1: happen next? Like what's stopping somebody from mounting a gun

605
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 1: on a drone and shooting a deer from their laptop

606
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 1: or from their basement, you know what I mean? Yeah,

607
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 1: I know exactly. I thought about that too. Or what

608
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 1: about you know, um, a slightly more sporting version, what

609
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 1: if they shot a little dart with a GPS transponder

610
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 1: onto the deer and then you could just track it

611
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 1: on your phone and then shoot him the next day

612
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 1: when it's convenient for you. I mean, there's a lot

613
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 1: of scary hypotheticals out there, and already I don't know

614
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 1: if I'm pretty sure this is a real thing. I'm

615
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 1: sure I read this some number of years ago. There

616
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 1: was like a high fence operation where you could buy

617
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 1: a hunt, a virtual hunt where there was a firearm

618
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 1: attached to a computer and a webcam and wherever you

619
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 1: were at let's say you lived in Michigan, you could

620
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 1: go online. You bought your hunt. You go online, look

621
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 1: at the deer that's in this cage or whatever on

622
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 1: video camera, and use your cursor to aim the gun

623
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 1: and shoot it from your computer. So then d is

624
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 1: the meat shipped to you or do you get the

625
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 1: rack sent to you afterwards? Or I mean there's no

626
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 1: difference between that in a video game. Then well that's

627
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 1: exactly what it was basically. I mean, I don't remember

628
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 1: all the details. I'm like, yeah, again, I'm sure I

629
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 1: remember seeing this handful of years ago. I'm pretty sure

630
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 1: it was made illegal right after that. Um, like they're

631
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 1: trying to do that or they did do that, um,

632
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 1: And I'm glad it was outlawed um. But yeah, I mean,

633
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 1: how how is that hunting? How is that? I mean

634
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 1: that very clearly isn't as far as I'm concerned, But

635
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:09,799
Speaker 1: it raises that question. You know, we could keep going

636
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 1: back to us where's the line in the sands? So

637
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:16,280
Speaker 1: if you pull the trigger from behind a camera, that's

638
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:18,800
Speaker 1: worse than if you pull the trigger, you know, in person.

639
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 1: Or was it because of the distance or is it

640
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 1: because it wasn't a high fence? Or what makes it unethical?

641
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 1: What makes it ethical? What? You know? There's just so

642
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 1: many questions like that. In this case, I think it's

643
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 1: very clearly something that's not okay. But you could see

644
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 1: how other issues you could start figuring, you know, like

645
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 1: with drones, what about could you use a drone the

646
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 1: day before? Or what if I was using a drone

647
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 1: just to film me walk to my tree stand but

648
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 1: not actually for deer? Uh, not actually looking for deer.

649
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:49,919
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, they're they're all these different things.

650
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:51,439
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're going to use it, I don't

651
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 1: see an issue with drones if you're going to use

652
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 1: it for some kind of filming as far as you know,

653
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 1: b roll type of stuff. But if if you're using

654
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 1: a drone to push dear your direction, I don't know.

655
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 1: I don't know if I like that. Yeah, I I

656
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 1: personally do not. And most in many states now are

657
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 1: outlawing are outlawing drones um at least the use of

658
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 1: them in relation to hunting um, which which personally I

659
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 1: think is a good thing. But uh, you know, I'll

660
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:26,400
Speaker 1: tell you what I what I will do is if

661
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 1: I am hunting and all of a sudden, like sending

662
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 1: in my tree stand or whatnot, and all of a

663
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 1: sudden I see a drone creeping through the woods or

664
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 1: you know, I'd probably shoot an arrow at it. I

665
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 1: think that has happened with a gun, and that guy

666
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,799
Speaker 1: got in big trouble. Now. I think what happened was

667
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:48,360
Speaker 1: there was a guy with a drone. I don't know

668
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 1: if this is hunting related, but this drone drone operator

669
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 1: was going over their fence and taking pictures of this

670
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,800
Speaker 1: dude's daughter son bathing. And then the guy got out

671
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 1: and he shot the the drone over because the drone

672
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 1: wasn't technically on the other guy's property taking pictures of

673
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 1: his daughter, but uh, it was up above the neighbor's property.

674
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 1: So the guy got a shotgun and blew it away,

675
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 1: and then the guy called the cops on him. So

676
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,400
Speaker 1: I feel like there's been a number of circumstances like that.

677
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 1: I think some anti hunters were trying to harass hunters

678
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:23,839
Speaker 1: with drones too. I think duck hunters, and I think

679
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,799
Speaker 1: of someone shot the drone out of the year too. Ever,

680
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 1: you know who. I don't know why I brought this up,

681
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 1: but do you ever hear of a guy named Dan Blazzarian? Yes?

682
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 1: I think that is that his name. I follow him

683
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:41,919
Speaker 1: on Instagram. Yeah, I mean any man probably should. He's

684
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 1: a wild man. He is an absolute wild man. So

685
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 1: I'm watching a YouTube video of about you know, twenty

686
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 1: drones in the air and he whips out like this

687
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,839
Speaker 1: giant machine gun and just blasts him all all out

688
00:36:54,880 --> 00:37:00,359
Speaker 1: of him about twenty obviously models blast him all out

689
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 1: of the air. It's it's pretty cool to watch likes

690
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 1: just going up exactly smoke gone. Yeah, he does some

691
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:12,359
Speaker 1: crazy stuff, that's for sure. Uh. I don't know how

692
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:13,800
Speaker 1: the guy made all his money, but he's got a

693
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 1: lot of money to spend. That's for sure, it's right.

694
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 1: So drones, we agree, there's some issues with drones. There's

695
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 1: some questions about how we're using wireless trail cameras. Uh,

696
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:27,840
Speaker 1: what's some other controversial stuff we can talk about, Danus,

697
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 1: I don't know if there's not you know, there's not

698
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 1: too much stuff that's controversial that you know. Obviously we've

699
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 1: covered high fence, We've covered you know, we talked about

700
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:44,880
Speaker 1: baiting drones. Um. You know, the whole issue with dogs,

701
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 1: that's a that's a huge traditional thing down in the South.

702
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 1: Um party hunting. That's the thing here in Iowa where

703
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 1: you can drive dear into you know, pinch points and

704
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 1: blast them and that well that well, well, crimin if

705
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:00,040
Speaker 1: I'm wrong. But so you're talking about just like a

706
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,760
Speaker 1: deer drive. But isn't there also a thing in Iowa

707
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 1: that is called party hunting where someone can shoot a

708
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:09,800
Speaker 1: deer and use somebody else's license for it. Well basically

709
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,760
Speaker 1: what it is, you know, and I'm not a accurate

710
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 1: on this, but as long as there are certain number

711
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 1: of as long as there is a tag for every

712
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 1: deer that gets shot, it doesn't matter if it's your

713
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:29,239
Speaker 1: tag or the other guy's tag. That's an interesting one, Yeah,

714
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 1: because I I know I've read some things about like

715
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 1: what about with like a nonresident? What if there's a

716
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:36,879
Speaker 1: non I wonder if that applies to non residence. So

717
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 1: can I go out on a deer drive with you

718
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 1: with a bunch of other gun hunters and I shoot

719
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 1: a big buck even though I didn't draw a nonresident

720
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 1: tag and you can put yours on it. Well, you

721
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 1: would still have to have you would still have to

722
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:52,720
Speaker 1: have a hunting license. And I'm not a hundred percent

723
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 1: sure as far as shotgun hunting is concerned, there are

724
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:00,799
Speaker 1: It's very It's easier to put it this way. It's

725
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 1: easier to get a shotgun tag in Iowa obviously than

726
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 1: it is an archery tag. Yeah, that is true. I

727
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 1: think you can get it almost every other every year

728
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 1: or other every other year in a lot of places, right,

729
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 1: because I've I've looked into that a bit. Speaking of

730
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 1: next year, I'm coming back to Iowa al right, So

731
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 1: are you going back to that same area? I think so.

732
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 1: I like the area. It's got a lot of good deer,

733
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 1: and I can get a tag there more often. I

734
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 1: just have a hard time waiting four years to go once,

735
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:33,720
Speaker 1: and you won't let me hunt any of your spots.

736
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 1: So where am I gonna go? Dan? That's right, that's right,

737
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:40,279
Speaker 1: not a damn chance. I already share it with too

738
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 1: many people. I know you do if I had, if

739
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 1: I had a private, you know, private farm, you'd be

740
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:51,840
Speaker 1: more than welcome to shoot dose. But I would I

741
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 1: appreciate that. Oh man, Well, you know what, I want

742
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:57,399
Speaker 1: to talk about, something totally different than what we've talked about,

743
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 1: because I want to share some exciting updates for me.

744
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 1: I finally, I have some white Tail updates because I'm

745
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:06,800
Speaker 1: out here in Montana finally, and I'm going on in

746
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 1: Montana white Tail. And so I started scouting, which has

747
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:13,720
Speaker 1: been fun. So I've done well two types of scouting

748
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 1: stuff far. First, I've done a lot of map scouting,

749
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 1: so doing a bunch of work online trying to find

750
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 1: spots that I can hunt. And then secondly, I've now

751
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 1: done two velvet drives essentially at night or in the

752
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:27,880
Speaker 1: evening hours to go scout fields. So I thought i'd

753
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 1: kind of walked through what I've done so far to

754
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 1: start this process, and I think it's gonna be kind

755
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:33,360
Speaker 1: of an interesting story here as I I've never hunted

756
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 1: out west before. I've never hunted an area like this.

757
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 1: It's totally different, is you know, as you know might

758
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 1: imagine from where I've hunted in the past, So this

759
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 1: is all new. Um. So, you know, like we've talked about,

760
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 1: I kind of decided I wanted to hunt Montana on

761
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 1: a whim because A I knew I was potentially going

762
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:48,840
Speaker 1: to be spending some time out here in the summer.

763
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 1: B you know, I've heard a lot of good things

764
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:53,799
Speaker 1: about Montana in general for their white tail population. And

765
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 1: then see, it's just like beautiful countries, so seem like

766
00:40:56,120 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 1: it would be a very different, cool place to hunt. Um.

767
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:06,879
Speaker 1: So you know, this whole process started by first, excuse me, Um, First,

768
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 1: I want to try to figure out, you know, some

769
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:10,840
Speaker 1: different you know, where white tails might be in this

770
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:13,360
Speaker 1: kind of country. You know, there's lots of mountains around

771
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 1: me and stuff. But what I found from talking to people,

772
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 1: and you know, just from what I've heard in the past,

773
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:21,279
Speaker 1: is that these white tails congregate down in like the

774
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 1: river bottoms, so they're not necessarily up in the mountains.

775
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 1: You know, where a lot of people think of when

776
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 1: you're hunting in Montana or something, but they're down low

777
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 1: in the valleys wherever big rivers come through, there's lots

778
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 1: of trees and cover versus all the grasses and sagebrush

779
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:36,760
Speaker 1: and stuff that's everything everywhere else. So I first started

780
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 1: like trying to locate on maps, Okay, where are the

781
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 1: different big river valleys that run through this general region

782
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:43,479
Speaker 1: that I'm gonna be in. And then I started looking

783
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 1: at those maps and finding, Okay, here's these corridors of

784
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 1: of river bottom and cover and trees and stuff. Now

785
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 1: where are the where's the public land nearby? Because I'm

786
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna try to hunt public land. I'm not

787
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 1: sure if I'm gonna be able to do it because

788
00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:00,479
Speaker 1: I'm also wanting to try to find some older bucks. Um,

789
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna try to find public lands where I

790
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 1: can kill a nice buck out here. So I started looking.

791
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 1: Montana's got a lot of nice resources online that outline

792
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 1: like where all the different public lands are, whether it

793
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 1: be like state forest or National forest or uh private

794
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 1: properties opened up to hunting through their block management program.

795
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 1: So pull up maps that showed all that stuff, compared

796
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 1: it to the aerial maps you know online, and I

797
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:28,279
Speaker 1: found a couple of different spots that are open to

798
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:30,800
Speaker 1: the public that are in this river bottom ground that

799
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 1: looked pretty good. So last night and then like four

800
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 1: or five minutes ago, I went into a drive by

801
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 1: along this river in this area, and UM, I can

802
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 1: report that I've had moderately good news. UM seen a

803
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 1: lot of deer, tons of white tails, like lots. I

804
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 1: feel good about that. Saw a lot of white tails.

805
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 1: I just haven't seen a ton of like good bucks.

806
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 1: I've seen a couple that I think would be could

807
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:58,399
Speaker 1: be shooters, but not a ton. Not so much. I'm like, oh, yeah,

808
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 1: definitely this is the spot. Um, So I don't know.

809
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm feeling okay about it. I've seen a

810
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 1: lot of DearS. That's a good thing. I the two

811
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 1: properties that are open to the public, and they're big sections. Um,

812
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 1: there was a lot of deer on them, so that's

813
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 1: a good thing. I just you know, I don't I

814
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 1: haven't seen anything that makes me oncent confidence that that's

815
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 1: the spot I'm gonna be able to kill, you know,

816
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 1: a three year old or four year old. So kind

817
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 1: of where I'm going to go from here now is

818
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 1: I'm probably gonna take a couple of nights and do

819
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 1: some more drive bys to that area just to try

820
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:28,839
Speaker 1: to get a better idea, you know, kind of right now,

821
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 1: I just want to figure out are there some three

822
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 1: or four year old bucks possibly in that area? If so,

823
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 1: then I'm willing to commit probably and start scouting individual

824
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 1: properties to try to learn. But I want to make

825
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 1: sure that there's at least some deer in that general

826
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 1: quality level before I invest a whole bunch of time there.

827
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 1: So that's kind of where I'm at now. UM, I'm

828
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:50,399
Speaker 1: gonna do some more drives, hopefully see some good bucks.

829
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:53,239
Speaker 1: I said, I saw one really pretty nice one last night,

830
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 1: but I did see in addition to that, I saw

831
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,279
Speaker 1: a bunch of elk, I saw pronghorn, I saw mule there,

832
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:02,840
Speaker 1: and I saw two moose. So oh it's fun driving nice.

833
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 1: So my question to you, as as far as white

834
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:11,879
Speaker 1: tails are concerned, what happens if you don't find that? Um,

835
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:14,280
Speaker 1: you've already made the commitment to going out there to hunt.

836
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 1: What if you don't find that? UM? I guess magical too.

837
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 1: You know three year old four year old that you're

838
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:26,439
Speaker 1: looking for. Are you still going to go in with?

839
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 1: You know the most mature possible. Are you gonna shoot

840
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 1: from the hip? Are you going to be running trail

841
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 1: cameras at all? So trail cameras are speaking of technology issues.

842
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 1: Trail cameras are not legal during the season in Montana,

843
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:46,479
Speaker 1: um at all, and I I'm not sure. I think

844
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 1: that they're legal in the off season, but I'm not

845
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 1: a hundred percent sure. So I brought a camera out

846
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 1: just in case. But I have not gone to check

847
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 1: the regulations to double check whether or not I can

848
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 1: put it out or not. So if I get to

849
00:44:56,960 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 1: the point that I, UM pick a spot, I think

850
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,239
Speaker 1: there are some decent bucks, and when I double checked

851
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 1: the regulations, if it is legal during the off season,

852
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 1: I was going to put one out just to try

853
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:10,400
Speaker 1: to see what's in the area. Still. Um, But you

854
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 1: know my game plans two things. Number One, throughout the

855
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 1: next you know, three weeks that I'm out here, I'm

856
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 1: gonna keep scoping out this area trying to find like

857
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:19,839
Speaker 1: a decent number of mature bucks to make me feel

858
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 1: good about hunting there. But if I don't find that,

859
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 1: over the next couple of weeks, I'm probably gonna go

860
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 1: check out some different valleys, some different areas around here

861
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 1: and scope those out and see if there's another section

862
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 1: that maybe just has a better quality of deer, better

863
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 1: age structure. Um. But let's hypothetically say, maybe I see

864
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:35,799
Speaker 1: a couple of nice bucks over in this one spot

865
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:37,759
Speaker 1: I've been scouting. So I decided, Okay, I'm gonna hunt

866
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 1: there and I come back in September. Um, I am

867
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:46,240
Speaker 1: probably going to go into this with relatively low expectations

868
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:48,400
Speaker 1: but still seting with standards. So my goal is going

869
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 1: to be a three year old. Um. And can you

870
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 1: hear that train? By the way, I can hear that train.

871
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 1: I'm recording. I can't remember if we talk about this

872
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:00,399
Speaker 1: in this episode of last but I'm recording in Sick

873
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 1: of Gears basement right now, so you know it's a

874
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 1: little different audio quality down here. But UM, I'm gonna

875
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:10,719
Speaker 1: try to shoot for a three year old. So I

876
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 1: don't need like a giant deer. I just want like

877
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 1: a representative of the area that's a decent nice buck.

878
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 1: So I mean, if there's like a hundred ten or

879
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 1: hundred fifteen inches that looks like it's probably a three

880
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:24,279
Speaker 1: year old that comes by my stand I'm going to

881
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 1: shoot it because I think this is a pretty tough situation,

882
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:29,720
Speaker 1: you know, completely d I y public Land never hunted

883
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 1: this area. Um, if I could get a buck like that,

884
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 1: I would be tickled. So um. You know, on the

885
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 1: other hand, if I get out here, or if I

886
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 1: start scouting the summer and I just find like a

887
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 1: bunch of big old deer and I'm out here when

888
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 1: I start hunting and I'm seeing a lot of like

889
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 1: nice bucks, I'm not going to be afraid to you know,

890
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 1: to be patient too. Um. I've got I think seven days,

891
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:52,759
Speaker 1: so I'm going to you know, judge it based on

892
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:54,719
Speaker 1: what we see. So you know, if I'm seeing a

893
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 1: lot of nice deer and a small, three old comes

894
00:46:58,000 --> 00:46:59,840
Speaker 1: by on day one, then I probably would pass on

895
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 1: it and wait because you know why, and the hunt

896
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:05,399
Speaker 1: too early. So we're to kind of play by air,

897
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:07,319
Speaker 1: and it's gonna be you know, it's gonna be very different.

898
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 1: It's gonna be interesting. Um. You know, I sure hope

899
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 1: I can fill a tag and close the deal. But

900
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:14,840
Speaker 1: you know, I wouldn't be too surprised if I don't either,

901
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 1: because it's it's definitely not a gimme. So so you

902
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 1: said the numbers were good. I mean, you saw a

903
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 1: lot of white tails in these in these valleys that

904
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 1: you're driving through. Yeah, I'd say I saw pretty I

905
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:29,719
Speaker 1: mean it wasn't like it's not like Iowa where you

906
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 1: come across the field and you'd see like thirty deer

907
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:34,400
Speaker 1: in it. I at least I haven't not have not

908
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 1: found that yet here. Um. But you know, I would

909
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 1: say like consistently every field you pass by or every

910
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 1: grassy section, there'd be a handful of white tails there.

911
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 1: There'd be a two doughs there, and then you go

912
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 1: a hundred yards up and there's five doughs. And you go,

913
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 1: you know, another yards and there's another dough and then

914
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 1: there's three bucks. And I mean that there's a good

915
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 1: number of deer. Um. But you know, I haven't seen

916
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:01,879
Speaker 1: you know, Um, I don't know if you've ever seen

917
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 1: some like the Real Tree Monster Buck TV shows or

918
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 1: DVDs where like Bill Jern or someone is hunting and

919
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 1: like the Milk River at some outfitter and there's like

920
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 1: a hundred deer in the field or something. I've not

921
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 1: seen that yet, um, So I don't know if that's

922
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 1: you know, I'm just in a different region. But I

923
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:21,880
Speaker 1: do know you're not at an outfitter exactly. I'm not

924
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:24,880
Speaker 1: an outfitter. This is this is a public land and

925
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 1: this is not the Milk River area, but I do

926
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 1: know that there are One of the other things I

927
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 1: did is I have been doing some research about these

928
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 1: different areas, and I did find some stuff online from

929
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 1: people who have killed deer in this general area. There

930
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:41,279
Speaker 1: are some outfitters um in the general area that I

931
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 1: kind of from doing some snooping around, figured out that okay,

932
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 1: there in this river valley or this bottom this section,

933
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:48,319
Speaker 1: they're they're probably leasing some ground around here. So I

934
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:49,880
Speaker 1: was kind of snooping and checking out some of the

935
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 1: deer that their clients have been killing, and that kind

936
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:54,879
Speaker 1: of gave me some confidence that this general area does

937
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 1: have some quality deer. So um So based on all that,

938
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:01,440
Speaker 1: I think it's a good general general region. UM. I

939
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 1: just need to keep on checking it out. And you know,

940
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:05,719
Speaker 1: one night might be totally different than another. So maybe

941
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 1: last night, you know, not all the not as many

942
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:11,400
Speaker 1: deer around the fields. I might come back out tomorrow

943
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 1: and there could be five really nice four year olds,

944
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:15,799
Speaker 1: you know, spread out, so we'll see. I don't know,

945
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 1: um lots of work to do over the next three weeks,

946
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:22,920
Speaker 1: so that's for sure. Well, I'll be completely honest with you,

947
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:26,359
Speaker 1: I am extremely jealous. It's not every day you can

948
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 1: go on a uh, you know, on a drive and

949
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:36,120
Speaker 1: see white til mule, deer, elk, antelope, and moose. So

950
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:41,399
Speaker 1: f you, Mark, it was pretty sweet. I I put

951
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:43,840
Speaker 1: together a little video from the drive last night that

952
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 1: I'm gonna post online tomorrow, I think, um, And at

953
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 1: the end of it, I was talking about the night

954
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:51,759
Speaker 1: and I was, you know, kind of talking about, oh,

955
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:53,919
Speaker 1: it's kind of a bummer. I didn't see as many

956
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:55,719
Speaker 1: good box as I was thinking. But then as I

957
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:57,439
Speaker 1: was right as I was saying that, I'm like, you're

958
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 1: an idiot, dude. Listen, Like literally just saw two different moves.

959
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 1: You saw all these other animals. Is like the sun

960
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 1: setting over the mountains. It was just like stupid, gorgeous,

961
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:10,319
Speaker 1: And yeah, I can't complain one bit. So even if

962
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:12,279
Speaker 1: I don't kill anything, even if I don't see one

963
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:14,359
Speaker 1: shooter buck on this trip, like, it's just gonna be

964
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 1: awesome to be out enjoying that country and experiencing something new.

965
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:22,239
Speaker 1: So I cannot complain one single bit. About that, right,

966
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 1: you know, I think it's a little different on this,

967
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 1: you know, if if I do or we do decide

968
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 1: to go to um Nebraska, I'm I'm thinking I'm gonna

969
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 1: be okay with shooting even a dough on one of

970
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 1: the last days. I don't know if I'm gonna because

971
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 1: I had opportunities last time to take not only a

972
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 1: mule deer dough, but a white tail dough as well,

973
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:51,839
Speaker 1: and I just, I don't know, I feel like I

974
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:57,719
Speaker 1: want to take away something from I've never shot a

975
00:50:57,800 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 1: mule dey before, So what's wrong with shooting a mule

976
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:01,799
Speaker 1: deer day? You know what I mean? Yeah, I don't

977
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 1: think there's anything wrong with it. I think, especially you know,

978
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 1: as a you know, a new hunter to that area,

979
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:10,360
Speaker 1: having that first experience with a mule deer or the

980
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 1: first time experience with an antelope or something like that,

981
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 1: that's super reasonable. And I kind of feel the same

982
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 1: way I've I've thought at times, you know, on my

983
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 1: elk hunts, I just want to shoot a cow just

984
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:20,239
Speaker 1: so I can bring home some elk meat and to

985
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:22,839
Speaker 1: have experienced killing an elk and packing an elk out

986
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 1: and all that kind of stuff. So yeah, I'm right

987
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 1: there with you. Heck, even now on future elk counts,

988
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:31,279
Speaker 1: you know, I might shoot a cow even though I

989
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:33,360
Speaker 1: have shot a bull. You know, you don't get that

990
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:36,600
Speaker 1: many opportunities to do that kind of thing. And you know,

991
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 1: that whole experience of getting one of those animals, bringing home,

992
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 1: eating that different type of meat, different animal, you know,

993
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 1: it kind of adds new life to that experience and memory.

994
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:51,400
Speaker 1: You know, every I don't know about you, but like

995
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 1: every time I eat a meal of a deer I killed.

996
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 1: While I'm eating it, I'm thinking back and looking back

997
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 1: at that hunt and that experience and stuff. So it's

998
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:01,319
Speaker 1: pretty cool to be able to bring that back from

999
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:03,360
Speaker 1: a hunt like a Nebraska or something that and have

1000
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 1: that kind of physical attachment back to that set of experiences,

1001
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 1: right right, So you're you're saying you'd wait till the

1002
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:11,239
Speaker 1: last day though, or one of the last couple of days,

1003
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 1: one of the last It just depends a four day hunt,

1004
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 1: and you know, I don't see, we don't get an up.

1005
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 1: It just depends on what I'm seeing too. You know,

1006
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:21,799
Speaker 1: if we got something uh that we've seen, Okay, there's

1007
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:23,839
Speaker 1: a buck that I would shoot and it would be

1008
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 1: just about any buck, um I would shoot. I would uh,

1009
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 1: you know, we would have it located at least then

1010
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:35,399
Speaker 1: that might be different. But you know, similar to our

1011
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:37,319
Speaker 1: l count that we went on last year, we didn't

1012
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:41,839
Speaker 1: see a lot. So there, you know that when that opportunity,

1013
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 1: that kind of an opportunity, when that the closest elk

1014
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:46,920
Speaker 1: that we had at the time was that spike, I

1015
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:50,400
Speaker 1: would have shot it in the heartbeat. Yeah, And I

1016
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:53,919
Speaker 1: wouldn't blame you one bit. Would you shoot a young

1017
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:56,439
Speaker 1: buck in Nebraska? Like if there's like a little six

1018
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 1: pointer or something, some little year and a half old

1019
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 1: you've never shot a meal there before. Would you shoot

1020
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 1: a young buck in that situation? I probably would, to

1021
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:07,799
Speaker 1: be honest with you, I mean, I got the good

1022
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 1: thing about hunting is and I'm starting to learn this

1023
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:15,920
Speaker 1: uh kind of you know, especially when you're taking Western trips,

1024
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:17,880
Speaker 1: You've got to start somewhere, and I don't have a

1025
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:20,919
Speaker 1: starting point yet for Western trips. So why not start

1026
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:22,840
Speaker 1: with a dough or a young buck, and then the

1027
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 1: next year you go out there, you aim for something

1028
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 1: a little older or another dough, you know, because there

1029
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:31,279
Speaker 1: is really there's no problem with taking a dough out

1030
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:34,800
Speaker 1: of the herd. If you know, it's not all about antlers.

1031
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:37,719
Speaker 1: So if you're you know, you want to go out

1032
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 1: there and you want to try to shoot a buck

1033
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:41,319
Speaker 1: and then for some reason that buck doesn't show up

1034
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 1: last couple of days, if something standing on broadside within

1035
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:48,280
Speaker 1: your shooting range, it's almost like I would feel guilty

1036
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 1: for not for for spending that money on nothing, although

1037
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:58,120
Speaker 1: there is an experience that goes along with that. I so,

1038
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:01,320
Speaker 1: you know, like our like our cunt. Again, we spent

1039
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:03,920
Speaker 1: a lot of time in the tent, but it was

1040
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:07,239
Speaker 1: an experience that I will never forget. There's there's some

1041
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 1: great stories that we still have from that trip. Was funny.

1042
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 1: I was in you know, I was in Jackson Hole

1043
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:15,240
Speaker 1: this past month, and there was a number of different

1044
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:17,960
Speaker 1: times where I was like, Kylie, me and Dan came

1045
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:20,600
Speaker 1: here after a tent collapsed, or Kylie, you should have

1046
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:23,560
Speaker 1: been there for this thing that went happen. We spent

1047
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:26,480
Speaker 1: an hour and a half in a laundry matt drying

1048
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:29,880
Speaker 1: out clothes that were that were wet. Yep, I pointed it.

1049
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 1: We drove by that, we stopped at that grocery store

1050
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:37,879
Speaker 1: six on a tent. That's what I was gonna bring

1051
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:39,600
Speaker 1: up next. We went to that store and I was like, oh,

1052
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:42,320
Speaker 1: this is where Dan got swindled into buying a super

1053
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:48,640
Speaker 1: expensive tent. Oh man, Yes, there's definitely something to be

1054
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:54,839
Speaker 1: said for hunt, even if you don't bring anything home. Right. Ah, well,

1055
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:58,239
Speaker 1: my friend, we are. We're kind of time constrained this

1056
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:01,359
Speaker 1: week because of my recording set up here, so we're

1057
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:03,840
Speaker 1: gonna have a shorter episode. But um, it's kind of funny.

1058
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:06,279
Speaker 1: We kind of ended up on a topic that I

1059
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 1: actually was considering having us talk about the whole episode today,

1060
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:10,320
Speaker 1: but maybe we can try to do another one. It

1061
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:12,799
Speaker 1: was this whole this idea of like our evolution as

1062
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Speaker 1: a hunter, you know, how like we all have to

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00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:17,799
Speaker 1: start somewhere and then you slowly progress. At least I

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Speaker 1: think that that is something that I think that's a

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Speaker 1: good way for hunters to go through their hunting progression.

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Speaker 1: And I worry that, you know, when we've talked about

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Speaker 1: this number of times before, but you know, with the

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Speaker 1: way that things are on the media and stuff, I

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Speaker 1: think a lot of new hunters come into it thinking

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Speaker 1: they have to be shooting a big, old, six year

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Speaker 1: old hundred seven buck or whatever because they see it

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Speaker 1: on TV, and um, I think some people are getting

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Speaker 1: these false expectations. So I thought one of these weeks

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Speaker 1: we could just go through in depth yours and my

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00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:48,359
Speaker 1: evolution as a hunter and kind of talk about how

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00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:50,880
Speaker 1: we got started and the struggles we had as we

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00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:53,719
Speaker 1: slowly took these steps along the way to get to

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Speaker 1: the point that we are. Now. That's right. Do you

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Speaker 1: think that's a good one for a future episode? I

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00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:02,400
Speaker 1: think that's a great episode. It's something that people struggle

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00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:04,239
Speaker 1: with all the time. You know. It's one of those

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00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:06,919
Speaker 1: to shoot or not to shoot? That is the question. Yeah,

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00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:08,520
Speaker 1: and I want you to I want you to do

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00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 1: some more thinking about your own to shoot or not

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Speaker 1: to shoot. We talked about like a month ago. People.

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Speaker 1: I've had some people, you know, commenting on that and

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00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:18,520
Speaker 1: stuff on that blog post that we did um or

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00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:21,600
Speaker 1: the Facebook post of that episode. There's a lot of comments.

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Speaker 1: And I think people are gonna be very interested to

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Speaker 1: hear what you what you finally decide for this year,

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00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:28,359
Speaker 1: what you're going to be targeting an island stuff. So

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Speaker 1: I'm curious to hear where you're gonna end up with

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00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:34,920
Speaker 1: that too. Yeah. Uh, don't you don't need you don't

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Speaker 1: need to tell us now, but we'll wait for the way,

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Speaker 1: We'll wait for the next episode of Why are Hunt?

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Speaker 1: And heck, I mean, how do you decide what you're

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Speaker 1: gonna do? Or are you still in the process of

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00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:47,000
Speaker 1: figuring these things out? It's always it's always thinking. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you're always thinking about it because you know, obviously right

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Speaker 1: now I'm gonna I'm gonna go check my trail cameras,

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Speaker 1: and I'm fairly confident that I'm going to have uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, three dear at least three dear over on

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Speaker 1: some of my farms over four years old, probably even

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Speaker 1: more in the five six seven year olds that are

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Speaker 1: gonna be you know, over one fifty, one sixty, there's

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Speaker 1: gonna be one obviously already that's gonna probably be close

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Speaker 1: to one seventy. And I haven't even checked my trail

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Speaker 1: cameras this year, so I'm just going off historic data,

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00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:22,920
Speaker 1: so it's hard for me to And then the season

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Speaker 1: gets here, and you always got that in the back

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00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:26,520
Speaker 1: of your head. You know, they don't get that big

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Speaker 1: from they don't get that big from shooting, you know,

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Speaker 1: shooting them two or three years earlier, you know what

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Speaker 1: I mean. Rue, Well, at the same time, if you

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Speaker 1: pass them every three or four year old, you don't

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Speaker 1: shoot a whole lot. So there's that constant what's the

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Speaker 1: right what's the right move? I don't know, there's no

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Speaker 1: there's no clear answer. And then you slam a couple

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Speaker 1: of does and that fills the blood lust for a while.

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Speaker 1: If you you know, that fills the freezer. You get

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Speaker 1: to kill something, and then in a way, that's what

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Speaker 1: hunting is. You kill something and it's it's satisfying. Not

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Speaker 1: only you get to kill some then your you know,

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Speaker 1: your archery is on point. I killed something with a

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Speaker 1: bow and arrow, and uh, you get food out of it.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I think that's that's that's it right there

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Speaker 1: phil the freezer get some great meals. It's a it's

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Speaker 1: an interesting experience every time you do it. It's a

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Speaker 1: it's a it's I don't know about you or anyone

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Speaker 1: else out there, but I feel like every time I

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Speaker 1: hunt and kill an animal or a deer, it it

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Speaker 1: kind of changes you and something it impacts you. I

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00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:36,000
Speaker 1: think every time you do it, it impacts you. And

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Speaker 1: I think if it's gone about the right way, so

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Speaker 1: if it's a positive change, and it's a positive difference

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Speaker 1: in growth. But it's one of those things, you know

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Speaker 1: what it's it's a it's quite an experience, and there's

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Speaker 1: every time it happens, there's something new to be learned.

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Speaker 1: I suppose amen, Amen, We well that we've got to

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Speaker 1: wrap this episode up, my friend, So thanks, uh, thanks

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Speaker 1: for chit chatting with you, buddy. Yeah, I can't wait

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Speaker 1: to hear more about your scouting adventures in Big Sky

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Speaker 1: Country for next week, for until until next week then,

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Speaker 1: So with that said, we're going to wrap up this episode,

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Speaker 1: but a couple of quick things before we let you go. First,

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Speaker 1: if you haven't yet, please head over to iTunes and

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Speaker 1: leave us a rating or review. That's a huge help.

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Speaker 1: We've had well over five hundred of you guys do

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Speaker 1: that already over the past couple of years and we

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Speaker 1: appreciate it. So thank you in advance for doing that

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Speaker 1: in the future. Also, we need to thank our partners

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Speaker 1: who helped make this podcast possible, and they really do.

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Speaker 1: They really help us keep the show going. It's uh,

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Speaker 1: it wouldn't be here if we didn't have that support.

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Speaker 1: So big thanks to sick a Gear Trophy Ridge, Bear Archery,

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Speaker 1: Redneck Blinds, huntera, Maps, Osonics, Carbon Express, Maybe Optics, and

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Speaker 1: the White Tail Institute of North America. And finally, thank

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Speaker 1: you to all of you tuning in today. Thanks for

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00:59:57,440 --> 00:59:59,880
Speaker 1: listening as we kind of gabbed on today about some

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Speaker 1: random topics, but hopefully it was still interesting and I'll

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Speaker 1: be sure to tune in again in the future as

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Speaker 1: we've got some great guests for future episodes. So have

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Speaker 1: a great week a great weekend. Thanks for joining us,

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Speaker 1: and until next time, stay wired to Hunt.