1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:02,080 Speaker 1: Coming up on you need therapy. 2 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:05,920 Speaker 2: What I like to do is on the board in 3 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:09,760 Speaker 2: my office. We with my clients will sit there and 4 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 2: we will, in like list form, define what my authentic 5 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:22,439 Speaker 2: eating style is, my authentic beliefs about movement, and how 6 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 2: once we can have that defined, anything that comes from 7 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 2: other people or what we read or anything, everything gets 8 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 2: matched up to this list, and if it is not 9 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:41,599 Speaker 2: in line with that authentic self, then that's a note 10 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:41,879 Speaker 2: for me. 11 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 1: I started to realize that not being an expert isn't 12 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:48,520 Speaker 1: a liability, it's a real gift. 13 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 2: If we don't know something about ourselves at this point 14 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 2: in our life, it's probably because it's uncomfortable to know. 15 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 2: If you can die before you die, then you can 16 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 2: really live. There's a wisdom at death's doore. I thought 17 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 2: I was insane, Yeah, and I didn't know what to 18 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 2: do because there was no internet. 19 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I'm like, I feel like everything 20 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:15,680 Speaker 1: is hard. Hey, y'all, my name is Kat. I'm a 21 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 1: human first and a licensed therapist second. And right now 22 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 1: I'm inviting you into conversations that I hope encourage you 23 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 1: to become more curious and less judgmental about yourself. Others 24 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:33,319 Speaker 1: and the world around you. Welcome to You Need Therapy. Hi, guys, 25 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 1: and welcome back to another episode of You Need Therapy Podcast. Today, 26 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:40,680 Speaker 1: I am sitting here with somebody that a lot of 27 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:44,120 Speaker 1: you already know and I've known for a while. Her 28 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 1: name is Crystal and she is the owner founder of 29 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 1: Horizon Nutrition Counseling and actually works in an office right 30 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 1: beside mine. 31 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 2: Welcome, Hi. Thanks for having me back, of course. 32 00:01:56,840 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 1: And I asked Krystal to come talk to because if 33 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 1: anybody that is listening follows me on Instagram, you might 34 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 1: have noticed that I've been talking about and posting about 35 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 1: a couple things that have to do with specifically diet culture. 36 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 1: And when I say diet culture, sometimes I wish there 37 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 1: was a better word, because I feel like that doesn't 38 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 1: always speak for everything that I'm talking about. 39 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 2: But it's just easy, so I'm going to continue to 40 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 2: use it. 41 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:29,679 Speaker 1: So I've been posting and talking about things that have 42 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:35,399 Speaker 1: frustrated me, that have somewhat taken away our ability to 43 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 1: trust ourselves and identify the things that actually matter to 44 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 1: us and that feel good to us and that are 45 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:48,079 Speaker 1: right within us. And it's become very tricky and the 46 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 1: things that I'm seeing are very creative where sometimes I'm like, oh, 47 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 1: should I be following this person? Do I need this? 48 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:58,679 Speaker 1: And I'm going to continue to talk about some of 49 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:01,079 Speaker 1: this stuff as in the next couple weeks, but specifically 50 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:04,960 Speaker 1: I wanted to start this conversation around this idea that 51 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 1: diet culture has somewhat hijacked a lot of things and 52 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 1: a lot of things that don't specifically belong to just 53 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 1: diet culture, yet they have been branded in a way 54 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:20,519 Speaker 1: where they feel like we shouldn't touch them or talk 55 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 1: about them or be interested in them. And there's a 56 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:26,640 Speaker 1: lot of reasons why that has happened, But I just 57 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:29,080 Speaker 1: want to start the conversation of talking about that and 58 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 1: what it looks like and how to really tell the 59 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 1: difference between if I'm engaging in something that actually I 60 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 1: don't want to engage in and wouldn't be in my 61 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 1: best interest according to me, and if this would be 62 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 1: a good thing for me to pay attention to and 63 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 1: listen to. So that is my long winded way to 64 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 1: set this conversation up. You guys might have noticed in 65 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 1: some of these conversations that have had in the past, 66 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 1: sometimes I feel like I have to tiptoe around certain things. 67 00:03:57,440 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 1: And I'm guilty of this too. We're like all looking 68 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 1: I've become a skeptic, and so we're sensitive. We're all 69 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 1: very sensitive to things that have hurt us, that have 70 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 1: hurt other people. And before we even get into any 71 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 1: of this, what I want to say as a disclaimer 72 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 1: is all of this is so nuanced, and if this 73 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 1: is anything that you've been struggling with or have noticed 74 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:24,239 Speaker 1: in yourself or want to know more on, I would 75 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 1: encourage you to reach out to somebody who can work 76 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 1: with you specifically on this, versus taking generalized information that 77 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 1: I would give, that Crystal would give, that anybody on 78 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:37,039 Speaker 1: social media would give, because anything that has to do 79 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 1: with your body in your life is going to be 80 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:44,280 Speaker 1: nuanced because we are all diverse. There's not any one 81 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 1: size fits all for any of this stuff. And some 82 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:50,840 Speaker 1: things might mean something to me, that might mean something 83 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:52,839 Speaker 1: else to Crystal, that might mean something else to the 84 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 1: person down the street, and that's okay. And I think 85 00:04:56,560 --> 00:05:00,120 Speaker 1: maybe that's even where we start with this, because I 86 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 1: was telling Crystal earlier that one of those things that 87 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 1: I have been very sensitive and frustrated that I'm even 88 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 1: sensitive about it is using the word healthy and talking 89 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 1: about the idea of health. So that's where I want 90 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 1: to start with you, Crystal. I want to know for you, 91 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 1: when you hear the word health, what does that mean 92 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 1: to you and how have you addressed that with the 93 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 1: work that you do, because so much of diet culturey 94 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 1: things have used that word health, and it now feels 95 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 1: to a lot of people like a bad word and 96 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:43,479 Speaker 1: something we shouldn't aspire to because it's connected to that. 97 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think in my experience in my early career 98 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 2: when I worked at a eating the sort of treatment center, 99 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:57,160 Speaker 2: we were trained to don't say these trigger words, you know, 100 00:05:57,279 --> 00:05:59,479 Speaker 2: and that we were kind of given a list almost 101 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 2: like this, and the word healthy was on this list, 102 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 2: and so I had to untrain my brain to use 103 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 2: that word in any capacity at all. And even you know, 104 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 2: having a healthy relationship with food, you know, it was 105 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 2: just you had to always just get creative with like 106 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 2: your verbiage. And so I think now I like to 107 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 2: look at health as something that is so individual to 108 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 2: a person and to what feels authentic to someone's lifestyle, 109 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:43,160 Speaker 2: and if that means it's balanced, if I emotionally can 110 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:48,840 Speaker 2: handle situations, if I can physically function to play with 111 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 2: my children or walk my dog, or not be in pain, 112 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:58,280 Speaker 2: or I want to run a marathon or whatever it is. 113 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 2: It's I want my body to function a certain way. 114 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 2: I want to feel physically feel a certain way. I 115 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:09,160 Speaker 2: want to have this type of relationship with food. I 116 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 2: want to be able to function like this and work 117 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 2: like It's so specific to a person, and we have 118 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 2: to look at it from how diet culture influences every 119 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 2: piece of that, because it's it's hard to get to 120 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 2: our authentic health almost because it's so influenced so covertly 121 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 2: even that we have to first kind of like get 122 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 2: those kind of extract the diet culture stuff out so 123 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 2: that we can find like and define. 124 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 1: What is healthy mean well, And as you're saying that, 125 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 1: I was visualizing if we're looking at somebody's overall health 126 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 1: and what would be healthy for one person and the 127 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 1: other it is near impossible, which I'm sure in some 128 00:07:56,800 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 1: instance it is, but I'm using the word it's near 129 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 1: impossible to identify something that would be not healthy or 130 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 1: healthy for every single person on the planet. But I 131 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 1: think what comes up for me is that in these 132 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 1: diet culture spaces, they're telling you what you should want 133 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 1: and what your life should look like, and how you 134 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 1: should feel and how you shouldn't feel, and so they 135 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 1: can actually generalize that and make you think that if 136 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 1: that's good for you, it would be good for me, 137 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 1: and vice versa. We should all be doing this or 138 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 1: none of us should be doing this, And that, I 139 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:38,440 Speaker 1: think is just such an issue because if I'm a 140 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:43,679 Speaker 1: professional athlete, I'm not, But I imagine that professional athletes 141 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 1: are spending hours of their day at a gym or 142 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:51,959 Speaker 1: maybe in recovery places, or doing this, or eating certain 143 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 1: foods or whatever, and it doesn't negatively impact their life, 144 00:08:57,240 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 1: their social relationships, their ability to fundunction all of that. Yet, 145 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 1: if I was operating at the activity level of a 146 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 1: professional athlete and also working this other job, trying to 147 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 1: have relationships with people, trying to get good sleep, trying 148 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 1: to have a loan time like, I wouldn't be able 149 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 1: to do all of that, and so it would not 150 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 1: be holistically healthy in many different areas for me to 151 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:26,320 Speaker 1: take on those same behaviors. Is that fair? 152 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:31,080 Speaker 2: Yes, okay? And I think just and professional athletes, that 153 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 2: doesn't mean that they are holistically healthy either. Yeah, they 154 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 2: just are really good at the thing they're doing, but 155 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 2: for them to continue to do it might not be 156 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 2: healthy for them mentally, emotionally, physically, you know. But it's 157 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:51,680 Speaker 2: something they are passionate about, you know, and they get 158 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 2: support and sometimes they don't, you know. But it's like 159 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 2: they have to define. 160 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 1: When they get to choose. And also just because at 161 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:01,080 Speaker 1: one point and you life, it works, does it mean 162 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:03,719 Speaker 1: later in your life it's gonna still work. I think 163 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:07,319 Speaker 1: about when an athlete, maybe I have like, subconsciously I 164 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 1: want to be a professional athlete. That's why I brought 165 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 1: this up. 166 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:10,080 Speaker 2: Sport would you play? 167 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 1: I have no idea I do. I think if I 168 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:15,200 Speaker 1: was going to be a professional athlete, I would want 169 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 1: to be a professional tennis player. I don't know if 170 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 1: I would really like it, but it looks nice. There's 171 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:23,440 Speaker 1: a couple of reasons that go into that that we 172 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 1: can talk about later. But anyway, I think about when 173 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 1: you're when an athlete it's their time to retire, right Like, 174 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:31,640 Speaker 1: it might be hard for them to make that decision, 175 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:34,200 Speaker 1: but it's not. It might not be healthy for me 176 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 1: to continue this, and so then it at one point 177 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 1: was and now it's not, And that might be hard 178 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 1: to differentiate between. But I think really what I'm getting 179 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 1: at here is what you are saying is we have 180 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 1: to allow ourselves to understand what that means for us 181 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 1: individually versus look at what healthy means online on a 182 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 1: dictionary dot Com definition. You can define that word, but 183 00:10:57,840 --> 00:10:59,560 Speaker 1: you can't define what that means and looks like in 184 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:09,960 Speaker 1: each person into life by that single definition. Right, What 185 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:10,960 Speaker 1: are some just curious? 186 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:11,320 Speaker 2: Are there? 187 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 1: Because I liked that you started with how we were 188 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 1: given that list of words that we're not supposed to use, 189 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:20,439 Speaker 1: which I will say, in certain contexts, it is very 190 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 1: helpful to remove things and come up with other things 191 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 1: that might fip it or that even helps us identify 192 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:29,319 Speaker 1: what is true to us versus what we've been told. 193 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 1: And I think it can be helpful to take time 194 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 1: away from certain words and at certain times in our lives, 195 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:37,559 Speaker 1: like we might not want to be hearing that word 196 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 1: when we're eating, versus I can hear it when I'm 197 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:43,079 Speaker 1: doing this thing or at this place. But what are 198 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 1: some examples of different phrases or things you would say 199 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 1: to talk about that same idea? 200 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 2: I will use phrases like what feels authentic to you? 201 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 2: How does that feel in your body? Like how do 202 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 2: you physically want to feel? What does your relationship with 203 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:04,720 Speaker 2: food look like? Even the word like good, like what 204 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 2: feels good? You know, because that can kind of take 205 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 2: us into like, well, eating a bowl of vegetable, but 206 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:14,440 Speaker 2: that's like good and bad, right, But that's like okay, 207 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:17,080 Speaker 2: well do you like to eat vegetables? Or is that 208 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 2: someone saying that? So it's like, what does wellness mean? 209 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:30,959 Speaker 2: What is that holistic part of being well, whether that's mentally, emotionally, physically, 210 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:34,559 Speaker 2: and how would you achieve that with your lifestyle? 211 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:37,719 Speaker 1: And one of the words that I use a lot 212 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:40,440 Speaker 1: is kind, like what feels kind instead of what feels good, 213 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 1: just because you can have such an adverse reaction to 214 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 1: that good versus bad, and that's something that you try 215 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:47,960 Speaker 1: to pull away from. But again, I think what the 216 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:50,960 Speaker 1: larger thing you're even talking about is offering power back 217 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:54,600 Speaker 1: to the individuals you're working with in ourselves as we're 218 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 1: talking about it within ourselves, versus giving a generic prescription 219 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 1: of something, because what you might use with one client 220 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 1: might not be really helpful for another client. 221 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:08,679 Speaker 2: It might mean something different. I also like to use 222 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 2: the word balance because That's really what this is about. 223 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 2: When something when we don't feel balanced, when we're unbalanced, 224 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 2: then something's not going well, and that's something that we 225 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 2: can work on to pull it back into balance that 226 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:31,959 Speaker 2: is specific to you instead of that like blanket, well 227 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 2: what's healthy, and that kind of bring us out of 228 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:38,679 Speaker 2: ourselves and into like looking in the general kind of 229 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:42,320 Speaker 2: diet culture and like general public of like, well, what 230 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 2: is healthy collectively does not mean that that's good for 231 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 2: me and what's balanced for it's striking that balance of 232 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 2: what feels balanced for me so that I can stay 233 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 2: this way and be flexible as my life changes. 234 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:00,840 Speaker 1: I'm so glad you said that, because I've actually been 235 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:04,439 Speaker 1: talking about this recently with multiple clients. It's becoming kind 236 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:07,680 Speaker 1: of a theme where I've already said this, But humans 237 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:12,320 Speaker 1: are so unique, all of us, not just what our 238 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:16,560 Speaker 1: bodies look like, but our personalities, how our brain works, 239 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 1: like how we speak, how we retain information. We're so 240 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 1: different yet universally, and this is not just within diet culture, 241 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 1: but it also is a part of diet culture. We're 242 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 1: all expected and we're sold this idea. This is something 243 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 1: that we didn't come up with ourselves. There's this expectation 244 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 1: that we're all supposed to be able to operate and 245 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 1: function in the same ways. If you're able to do something, 246 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 1: I should be able to do it. If you can 247 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 1: handle that amount of work, I should be able to 248 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 1: handle that amount of work. And I even have experiences 249 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 1: throughout school where I mean starting from like middle school 250 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:54,800 Speaker 1: and stuff where if everybody else can do this, I 251 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 1: should be able to do it. And so it's kept 252 00:14:56,640 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 1: me from asking for extra help or MA be listening 253 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 1: to something that is really difficult for me that might 254 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 1: actually I could get some help with and it doesn't 255 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 1: have to be that difficult. But we're just sold this 256 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 1: idea that we all can function at the same level, 257 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 1: which I mean, I'm not a teacher, but I'm sure 258 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 1: this speaks to the standardized testing and we're all tests 259 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 1: in the same way. When like, what does that even 260 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 1: mean and why does it matter? And why are we 261 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 1: trying to create this like militant idea of what we're 262 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 1: good at and what we can handle. Getting a little 263 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 1: fired up here, But that speaks to so many layers 264 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 1: of ourselves as we become adults as well. And the 265 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 1: cool thing might have been an adult is you get 266 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 1: to make your own decisions. You get to choose what 267 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 1: you like to do, what you want to do, and 268 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:46,560 Speaker 1: that can be really hard because a lot of times 269 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 1: what we're choosing is what we think is expected of 270 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 1: us or what we think is going to make us 271 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 1: good or successful, valuable. Yes, and so at the treatment 272 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 1: center we worked at, I love that you guys are 273 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:01,880 Speaker 1: probably sick of me talking about it, because I feel 274 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 1: I bring it up all the time. I loved that job. 275 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 2: It was not lost threat days. 276 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 1: It was our ory days, and it wasn't because there 277 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 1: are people that can work in that setting forever, forever, 278 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 1: and they thrive off of it, and they are so 279 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 1: good at managing the stress of it and this, that 280 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:21,920 Speaker 1: and the other, and it fits with their lifestyle because 281 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 1: maybe they would rather be doing something at work than 282 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 1: this other thing that I want to do outside. 283 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 2: Of work and whatever. 284 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 1: I was at my limit when I left that place, 285 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 1: Like at my limit. There was multiple reasons I left, 286 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 1: but one of them was this is not sustainable for 287 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 1: me to live a balanced life. I can do this job, 288 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 1: but I am not set up to be able to 289 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 1: handle emotionally, physically, mentally, this type of work for long 290 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 1: periods of time, and I have memories of like when 291 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 1: we would take a vacation, it wouldn't even be worth 292 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 1: it because the preparation for the vacation would make both 293 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 1: bookends of those of that week you would take off 294 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:11,400 Speaker 1: would be so much more difficult that it would make 295 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 1: you dread even going because then you have to come back. 296 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:19,120 Speaker 1: And I just wanted to throw that in here, because yes, 297 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 1: it's not about maybe food and exercise, but I think 298 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 1: that's something to think about when we are putting these 299 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:34,239 Speaker 1: or accepting these expectations or taking on generalizations around what 300 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 1: we should feel like, what we should care about, what 301 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:43,160 Speaker 1: should bother us, what shouldn't bother us? And we are 302 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 1: all so different that there is room for those all to. 303 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 2: Be different for all of us well. And relating it 304 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 2: to food and eating styles, the foundation is as humans, 305 00:17:57,320 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 2: we all have to eat. So that's like same with 306 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:03,359 Speaker 2: like if we want money, we all have to work, right, 307 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 2: and so it's like okay, so we all know that, 308 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 2: but how we do those things, it's going to be 309 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:13,199 Speaker 2: different based on our values or what we want in 310 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:16,439 Speaker 2: our life and if we want more time, if we 311 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 2: like to travel, if we like to stay home, if 312 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 2: we want to work from home versus I don't do that. 313 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:26,119 Speaker 2: I need to be in office. Like with food, it's 314 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:30,920 Speaker 2: I have food preferences. I am really passionate about this 315 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 2: type of cuisine, or I love being a foodie, or 316 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 2: I want to know where my food comes from, or 317 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:40,200 Speaker 2: whatever it is that might not matter to one person, 318 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:43,640 Speaker 2: but it is really important to another. And that's how 319 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 2: you kind of assimilate that balance is what feels authentic 320 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:53,440 Speaker 2: to me and something that I can sustain because I'm 321 00:18:53,480 --> 00:19:00,719 Speaker 2: not forcing a rule or what society says supposed to 322 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 2: what I'm supposed to be doing, and pretend to be 323 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:07,800 Speaker 2: happy when I'm miserable because I want to have a 324 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 2: vacation and feel like I'm on vacation. I don't want 325 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:12,399 Speaker 2: to come back to a stressful job. 326 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:16,719 Speaker 1: Yes, it can be true that somebody really loves to 327 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 1: cook and loves to prepare these fresh meals, and somebody 328 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:24,439 Speaker 1: else is like, yeah, I like to eat, but I 329 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:25,720 Speaker 1: don't want to be part of that process, and I 330 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:28,080 Speaker 1: want to make it as easy as possible. That doesn't 331 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:30,960 Speaker 1: mean you're lazy. That doesn't mean like somebody might want 332 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:34,200 Speaker 1: to spend five hours cooking a meal. Somebody else might say, 333 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:36,639 Speaker 1: I would rather be doing anything else that would be 334 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:38,960 Speaker 1: miserable for me. Right, That doesn't mean that they don't 335 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:42,720 Speaker 1: care about the food they're eating. There's also woven into 336 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 1: this conversation the whole idea of privilege too, is like, 337 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:50,960 Speaker 1: some people have the privilege to make certain choices, and 338 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:56,879 Speaker 1: I don't think that it's talked about enough in this 339 00:19:57,000 --> 00:20:00,679 Speaker 1: space where it feels shameful to not do something that 340 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:05,400 Speaker 1: somebody else is doing that it's not always just a preference. 341 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 1: It also sometimes can be like what actually can I 342 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:12,199 Speaker 1: do and what's available to me? And how do I 343 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:16,480 Speaker 1: even find balance within that? Because let's say I could 344 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:20,159 Speaker 1: spend five hours cooking a meal, and I might really 345 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:22,159 Speaker 1: want to do that. At the same time, what if 346 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:25,879 Speaker 1: I'm a single mom and I have multiple kids and 347 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 1: I have to take them a bunch of places I 348 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:29,639 Speaker 1: don't have so I don't have time to do it. 349 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 1: And also I might not have the resources to buy 350 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 1: all of those fresh organic groceries. So I still can 351 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 1: care about that stuff and also do it in a 352 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 1: way that feels balanced for my life. Right, And this 353 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 1: is even helpful for me because one of the things 354 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 1: I struggle with a lot in this space, in just 355 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:48,879 Speaker 1: mental health in general. And it's why we started the 356 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:51,440 Speaker 1: series that I did with Tara Booker about what's the 357 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:56,120 Speaker 1: difference between because so many words that have originally had 358 00:20:56,160 --> 00:21:01,919 Speaker 1: these true, unique meanings that that are not negative or positive, 359 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:06,000 Speaker 1: they just are have been translated through all of our 360 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:09,960 Speaker 1: different brains and content that we take and they've again 361 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 1: been hijacked, and so certain words. 362 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:14,400 Speaker 2: Mean nothing or they mean everything. 363 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 1: And what I want you guys to hear from kind 364 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 1: of what we're saying is you're allowed to identify what 365 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:25,439 Speaker 1: these words mean in the context of your own life 366 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 1: and it can be different. 367 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. What I like to do is on the board 368 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:34,680 Speaker 2: in my office, we with my clients will sit there 369 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 2: and we will in like list form, define what my 370 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 2: authentic eating style is, my authentic beliefs about movement, and 371 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:52,720 Speaker 2: how once we can have that defined, anything that comes 372 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 2: from other people or what we read or anything, everything 373 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:01,719 Speaker 2: gets matched up to this list. And if it is 374 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 2: not in line with that authentic self, then that's a 375 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:07,080 Speaker 2: no for me. 376 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:10,360 Speaker 1: And the more you don't have to receive it right. 377 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:14,439 Speaker 2: Like I can take it in No, I'm not cooking 378 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 2: five hours a night I'm good. 379 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:18,439 Speaker 1: I don't know where I got that. I don't know 380 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 1: if anybody actually tests that, but yeah, but. 381 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:24,520 Speaker 2: The more you practice it, the more I don't need 382 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:26,920 Speaker 2: to look at the list anymore. I just know it's 383 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 2: in me, and I know because my body, I'm connected, 384 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 2: and I listen to it, and in time there's a 385 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:36,640 Speaker 2: little bit of resistance or like tightening. I know that's 386 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 2: me being like, uh no, no, ma'am. Yeah, yeah, and 387 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 2: that kind of shifts as like you're in different stages 388 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:48,400 Speaker 2: of life, you know. And I think personally, I've had 389 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 2: to work on that after having kids, where I really 390 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:57,200 Speaker 2: wanted to spend time with my friends and go places 391 00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:59,400 Speaker 2: and do stuff. But when I was trying to do 392 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:02,679 Speaker 2: that and have all these kids, I just was like 393 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:05,400 Speaker 2: a wreck, you know. I just didn't have time and 394 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:08,359 Speaker 2: I needed to be home more. And it took me 395 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:13,280 Speaker 2: a long time to realize that to where I was like, 396 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 2: you know what, this is not feeling good. I love 397 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:20,480 Speaker 2: my friends and we are still friends, but that relationship, 398 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:25,600 Speaker 2: the way we experienced that relationship had to change so 399 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 2: that I could do what felt right. Knowing that this 400 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:32,679 Speaker 2: is a season. My kids are not going to be 401 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 2: babies you know, they're going to be older where that 402 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:39,399 Speaker 2: relationship with my friends is going to change again, you know. 403 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:43,520 Speaker 1: And you're talking about being fluid and yes, like it's 404 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 1: a flexible, adaptable, which is something that you don't hear 405 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 1: in the world. I mean, you might hear it, but 406 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:53,439 Speaker 1: they don't mean it. In the world of diet culture. 407 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:54,879 Speaker 1: It might be a way to suck you in, but 408 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:56,400 Speaker 1: then you get there and then you're like, wait, there's 409 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 1: all these rules I have to follow, got it? That's 410 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:03,880 Speaker 1: not so it kind of leads me into this other 411 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 1: part I really want to talk about in the space 412 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:10,399 Speaker 1: of recovery, and we can in anybody who's listening. If 413 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 1: you're not recovering from an eating disorder, maybe it is 414 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:17,440 Speaker 1: you moving from a place of disordered eating or where 415 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:20,119 Speaker 1: you just were more susceptible for some of these diet 416 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:25,200 Speaker 1: cultury ideas or thoughts or beliefs. When you are identifying 417 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 1: that you are in that space and then want to 418 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:32,760 Speaker 1: move into a more let's say, balanced place. Can we 419 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:36,720 Speaker 1: talk about the process that we oftentimes see of how 420 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 1: that works and how extremes play, and how we can 421 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:44,359 Speaker 1: then get to a place of our truth, how to 422 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 1: find that authentic self, how you've actually found what worked 423 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:50,880 Speaker 1: best for you in that changing of your lifestyle. 424 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:01,400 Speaker 2: I think it can feel like the pendulum, you know, 425 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 2: it can swing from one extreme to another, and I 426 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 2: think when it swings to another side, it's I'm still 427 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 2: following someone else's rules, you know, like I'm trying to 428 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 2: change something, so I'm going to go from here to 429 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 2: over here, but I don't know how to do that. 430 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 2: So I'm gonna google that, or I'm going to find 431 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 2: someone that this is working for them and that's their roles, 432 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 2: and I'm going to do that so I can get 433 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:33,639 Speaker 2: to that other side that I want. But then that 434 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:38,880 Speaker 2: quickly can feel exhausting and it's not sustainable, and then 435 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:42,440 Speaker 2: we'll kind of swing back to that old familiar thing 436 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:47,640 Speaker 2: behavior belief system that still wasn't working. But it's easier 437 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:51,119 Speaker 2: quote unquote easier because we've done it for so long 438 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:56,160 Speaker 2: and the practice of like connecting to your body and 439 00:25:56,359 --> 00:26:01,160 Speaker 2: just being able to listen to it, it is such 440 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:05,560 Speaker 2: an important skill to start finding that balance between the 441 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,679 Speaker 2: in the pendulum to get it to stop swinging. And 442 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:12,359 Speaker 2: it's like connecting to like what feels right to me 443 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:17,520 Speaker 2: and kind of reflecting on the things that in questioning 444 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:21,280 Speaker 2: the things that are forming my belief system, whether that's 445 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:25,520 Speaker 2: going back into like how we grew up our life experiences, 446 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:30,199 Speaker 2: like well that was you know, my mom's experience with 447 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 2: her body, but like I didn't have her experience, and 448 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:37,960 Speaker 2: yet I'm feeling some sort of way about food and 449 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 2: my body because of it. 450 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,720 Speaker 1: Okay, I'm glad you brought up the family stuff, because 451 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 1: what I'm hearing in a lot of that is and 452 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:49,399 Speaker 1: it's natural. I think that it's not a negative trait 453 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:53,520 Speaker 1: to want to look to something for guidance. It's helpful 454 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:57,160 Speaker 1: to have guidance, and when you're trying to do something new, 455 00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 1: I think our first thing is to look for information 456 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 1: on how to do that versus turn inward. And sometimes, 457 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:07,439 Speaker 1: especially in recovery, it can be hard to turn inward 458 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:09,560 Speaker 1: because we've kind of cut ourselves off from being able 459 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:11,240 Speaker 1: to be in tune with our own bodies. And so 460 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 1: that's why it might be necessary sometimes to like swing 461 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,639 Speaker 1: the other way. And then you could to like differentiate 462 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 1: between like what part of this feels okay and what 463 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 1: part of this also doesn't feel great? But we're just 464 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,720 Speaker 1: in a nutshell. We're all kind of looking for the 465 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:30,200 Speaker 1: right answer what is right per something or someone else, 466 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:34,920 Speaker 1: versus what actually is right within ourselves and what feels 467 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,960 Speaker 1: right within ourselves, and those can be such different things. 468 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:41,679 Speaker 1: And when we look at like how our experiences are 469 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:46,000 Speaker 1: shaped from our parents or just growing up, if I 470 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:51,200 Speaker 1: had a parent who maybe was very disordered and their 471 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:55,280 Speaker 1: exercise or their eating or what have you, I mean 472 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 1: that could be actually anything you can insert alcohol like work. 473 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:01,640 Speaker 1: And I think work might be the easiest example here 474 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:05,960 Speaker 1: because if my mom was obsessed with her job and 475 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 1: worked way too much and didn't have a relationship with 476 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,520 Speaker 1: any of us, and I'm like, well, I'm not going 477 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,879 Speaker 1: to be like that, because that was not good. You 478 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 1: still have to have a job, probably at some point 479 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,200 Speaker 1: in your life, so it can't be like, well, I'm 480 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:22,080 Speaker 1: just not going to have a job and then that 481 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,120 Speaker 1: will be better. And that's what I see a lot 482 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,720 Speaker 1: of times in this movement, from being sucked into diet 483 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:30,600 Speaker 1: culture to taking kind of control of our health as 484 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:35,800 Speaker 1: we want it to be. It goes from diet culture, rules, rules, rules, rule, rules, restrict, restrict, 485 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,480 Speaker 1: do this, do that, the use this product, all of 486 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:42,560 Speaker 1: these things, get this service to nothing. I'm not going 487 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:46,080 Speaker 1: to pay attention to what my body wants. I'm not 488 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:49,080 Speaker 1: going to care about the nutrition that my body might want, 489 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 1: or the movement or the type of movement, or the 490 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,640 Speaker 1: sleep habits or I'm just going to do whatever I want, 491 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 1: whenever I want it, but not even know what that 492 00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,800 Speaker 1: really is. It's just whatever's the opposite of the diet culture. 493 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:04,640 Speaker 1: And while that might be necessary and it can give 494 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,600 Speaker 1: us information that we don't have to stay there. And 495 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:13,080 Speaker 1: if this is more of a maybe example that can 496 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,720 Speaker 1: be it's not as exaggerated with the work thing. But 497 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:19,600 Speaker 1: if my mom ate a kale salad. 498 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:21,600 Speaker 2: Every single day for dinner growing. 499 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,800 Speaker 1: Up, that does not mean that I can't at some 500 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,360 Speaker 1: point in my life have a kale salad for dinner. 501 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:30,720 Speaker 1: And just because that was part of that, it doesn't 502 00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:33,560 Speaker 1: mean that kale has to stay over there. It can 503 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:36,520 Speaker 1: be incorporated in my life. And that is really hard, 504 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 1: I think for people to understand and grasp and practice well. 505 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:45,720 Speaker 2: And I think we continue to make it about the food. Yeah, 506 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:50,760 Speaker 2: And I think that it's hard because we're thinking the 507 00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:55,440 Speaker 2: association and when we incorporate those things, like if it's 508 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,840 Speaker 2: a kale salad, what we're working on is not just 509 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:02,920 Speaker 2: practicing eating a care salad, but we're practicing like, okay, 510 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 2: that thought that's coming up that oh God, like this 511 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:12,040 Speaker 2: what this salad represents is these feelings I had when 512 00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:15,560 Speaker 2: I was watching my mom do this, And the next 513 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:19,040 Speaker 2: thoughts are that was really hard for my mom. She 514 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:23,560 Speaker 2: was going through something that I didn't understand. And I 515 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:28,560 Speaker 2: authentically like kale salads. I love the stressing, I love 516 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 2: that tech, whatever it is. So you're thinking of things 517 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:37,840 Speaker 2: that why do I me crystal like kale salad, because 518 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 2: that's not the same reason why Mom was eating a 519 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:45,600 Speaker 2: kale salad, And you're continuing to define and build that 520 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:51,880 Speaker 2: new relationship with that salad because you're connecting your authentic 521 00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:55,800 Speaker 2: likes and preferences. I like it because this and this 522 00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:59,240 Speaker 2: feel it helps me have better bowel movements. And if 523 00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:02,360 Speaker 2: I have, you know, too many in a row, then 524 00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:08,400 Speaker 2: like that hurts, like really yeah, going to the bathroom more. 525 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:13,240 Speaker 2: And so like you're really finding that, okay, where your 526 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,080 Speaker 2: limits are, Like Okay, I like kale, but now when 527 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:19,760 Speaker 2: I overdo it it hurts. Well, that's not a kale problem. 528 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:23,120 Speaker 2: That's a behavior, a behavior, and you're learning about your 529 00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:26,720 Speaker 2: body you know, like ooh, okay, here, that's maybe some 530 00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:28,880 Speaker 2: a sometimes food or I need to kind of warm 531 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,000 Speaker 2: up to that and. 532 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,600 Speaker 1: A good or bad food. It's it right, Oh that 533 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,120 Speaker 1: I hope people are hearing a lot in that because 534 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:37,400 Speaker 1: you can apply that to any type of food, any 535 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:41,160 Speaker 1: feel that you've categorized as good bad in between. That 536 00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:45,640 Speaker 1: you are allowed to listen to how these things and 537 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:49,400 Speaker 1: also foods and behaviors, like in general, we're allowed to 538 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:55,360 Speaker 1: listen individually to how these affect us individually and then 539 00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:59,840 Speaker 1: make a choice around that, versus make a choice around 540 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:03,080 Speaker 1: somebody else has said, Yeah, I want to kind of 541 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:05,000 Speaker 1: like play what you just said, Like twice in a rows, 542 00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:08,720 Speaker 1: people are forced to listen to how would you frame that? 543 00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:12,760 Speaker 1: Because I use the extreme example of kale is is 544 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:16,200 Speaker 1: good within diet culture. So what if we take the 545 00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:20,080 Speaker 1: example of something that we're told to restrict from diet 546 00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:24,800 Speaker 1: culture world, and I mean gluten, dairy ice cream, any 547 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,840 Speaker 1: cookie like those kinds of foods that a lot of 548 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:30,960 Speaker 1: times diet culture says like, oh, you should stay away 549 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:31,160 Speaker 1: from this. 550 00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:36,800 Speaker 2: To me, it's the same thing. It's what do I 551 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:40,440 Speaker 2: like about this? How does it make me physically feel? 552 00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:45,240 Speaker 2: Do I feel out of control. You're connecting with the 553 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:50,200 Speaker 2: food that's you're finding the safety in it and your 554 00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:51,080 Speaker 2: preference of it. 555 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:55,280 Speaker 1: Well in the this is kind of giving a backstory 556 00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:59,320 Speaker 1: of why a lot of people in the eaty recovery world. 557 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,320 Speaker 1: I really want to push this message if there's no 558 00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:06,760 Speaker 1: good food or bad food, because we can make decisions 559 00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:11,240 Speaker 1: about these labeled good foods the same way we make 560 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:15,160 Speaker 1: decisions about these labeled bad foods, in the sense that 561 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,320 Speaker 1: there are a lot of good things about Good might 562 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:19,800 Speaker 1: not be the right word to use there, but there 563 00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:23,520 Speaker 1: are a lot of helpful things I like about eating 564 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:27,920 Speaker 1: ice cream. Right, it tastes good. I have all these 565 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:31,320 Speaker 1: really positive memories about it. It's fun. Maybe I make 566 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:32,880 Speaker 1: it myself at home. 567 00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,200 Speaker 2: Or it helps me sleep, Yeah, because I can. 568 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:39,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh that's interesting. I should try out eating more 569 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:40,320 Speaker 1: ice cream before I go to bed. 570 00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:40,920 Speaker 2: Sleep baby. 571 00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:45,040 Speaker 1: Yeah. And then I also can listen to Okay, well, 572 00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:48,120 Speaker 1: what happens when I eat this kind or this much, 573 00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:51,040 Speaker 1: or if I do it in this way or like, 574 00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:54,640 Speaker 1: I'm also allowed to listen to what I want to 575 00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:58,760 Speaker 1: set the essentially limits, there is no limit. It's a 576 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,120 Speaker 1: it's I get to set that I get to decide 577 00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:03,560 Speaker 1: that based on what's happening within me. 578 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:09,000 Speaker 2: And that's describing not just what your thoughts are, which 579 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:12,399 Speaker 2: is where maybe cravings are also or and where your 580 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:19,760 Speaker 2: emotions are kind of ruminating on where you're also saying, Okay, 581 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,720 Speaker 2: I can have a thought like I'm craving ice cream, 582 00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,200 Speaker 2: and then I'm going to say, okay, well, let me 583 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,680 Speaker 2: check in with my body or drop into my body 584 00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:31,000 Speaker 2: and say, okay, does my body also want the ice cream? 585 00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:34,319 Speaker 2: You know, because maybe I'm like really full and my 586 00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:36,799 Speaker 2: body is like, I know you really want that ice cream, 587 00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:38,759 Speaker 2: but like if you eat it, I am going to 588 00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:42,759 Speaker 2: be stuffed and uncomfortable. And remember you're going out with 589 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,960 Speaker 2: your friends later, and you don't want to feel like 590 00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:48,920 Speaker 2: so uncomfortable and not be able to like have the 591 00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:52,759 Speaker 2: like appetizers at the place or have fun because like 592 00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:57,120 Speaker 2: you're really uncomfortably full. So I'm making an intuitive decision, 593 00:34:57,800 --> 00:34:59,360 Speaker 2: an authentic decision. 594 00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:02,400 Speaker 1: Versus a restrict decision, right. I think that is so 595 00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:04,840 Speaker 1: important that that's not restricting yourself. 596 00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:11,520 Speaker 2: Yes, that is you honoring your health in that balanced way, 597 00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:16,080 Speaker 2: meaning not just your physical health, but you're also saying 598 00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:20,960 Speaker 2: I'm craving ice cream, and I'll have it tomorrow. You know, 599 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:25,280 Speaker 2: I'm gonna make sure I'm taking care of my wants 600 00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:28,200 Speaker 2: and my needs. I want ice cream, and I have 601 00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:29,440 Speaker 2: more than one, and I want you to go have 602 00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:30,359 Speaker 2: fun tonight with my friend. 603 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,080 Speaker 1: But I think also that you have there's more than 604 00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:33,960 Speaker 1: one want in that, Like I want ice cream and 605 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,520 Speaker 1: I also want X Y Z Okay, right now, what 606 00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,600 Speaker 1: feels the most important to me? Yeah, Sometimes you might 607 00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,080 Speaker 1: say the ice cream is important to me. I'm gonna 608 00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:43,600 Speaker 1: be uncomfortable, I don't really want to go to this 609 00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:46,560 Speaker 1: party whatever. Maybe it'll give me excuse to leave, sure, 610 00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:49,440 Speaker 1: And then another day you might say, no, it's this 611 00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,480 Speaker 1: party is really important to me, and I really want 612 00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:54,840 Speaker 1: to be able to be present. And I've been looking 613 00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:58,239 Speaker 1: forward to trying these foods there, and I want to 614 00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:02,080 Speaker 1: give myself that gift. So I'm making this choice. I'm 615 00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:05,160 Speaker 1: not restricting myself. It's actually offering yourself more of what 616 00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:05,839 Speaker 1: you actually want. 617 00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think taking it back to like if 618 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:14,000 Speaker 2: maybe our core belief from childhood that developed around like, well, 619 00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:17,600 Speaker 2: ice cream is bad, or if that's the rule, like 620 00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:21,360 Speaker 2: I can't have that. You're using the same process that 621 00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:25,840 Speaker 2: you would with the kale, it's yeah, you're connecting with it. Well, 622 00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:29,239 Speaker 2: I'm hearing mom's voice just say, like, you know, like 623 00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:31,760 Speaker 2: we don't eat ice cream in this house or whatever 624 00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:35,120 Speaker 2: it is. And if we're eating the ice cream and 625 00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:38,919 Speaker 2: swinging that pendulum to like the I'm gonna rebel and 626 00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:42,760 Speaker 2: have ice cream all like every day, all day or something, 627 00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:48,560 Speaker 2: and we're swinging that pendulum that satisfies that like inner child, 628 00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:55,200 Speaker 2: rebellious side. But is that satisfying my present you? Right? 629 00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:55,480 Speaker 1: Like? 630 00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:59,759 Speaker 2: How is that helping or hurting me? Right now? Because now, 631 00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:04,320 Speaker 2: like I am, I feel sick. All I do is 632 00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:07,160 Speaker 2: think about ice cream. I feel like obsessive. I feel 633 00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,440 Speaker 2: you know, I get angry when I eat it. I'm 634 00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,359 Speaker 2: kind of eating at the food rather than enjoying the 635 00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:16,319 Speaker 2: food because I'm using this ice cream in a different way. 636 00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:18,560 Speaker 1: And because you, let's say, at some point you choose 637 00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,399 Speaker 1: not to eat ice cream, you get to decide why 638 00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:24,279 Speaker 1: that is. I think that's also on both sides again 639 00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:26,640 Speaker 1: with the kale and the ice cream. I either get 640 00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:29,279 Speaker 1: to decide I want to eat this kale because I 641 00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:33,000 Speaker 1: like kale, which is again, why do I always pick kill? 642 00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:35,320 Speaker 1: I think it's because it was such like a bright 643 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:37,200 Speaker 1: It was like the poster child for a dye culture 644 00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:41,040 Speaker 1: for a while. But I like it, and maybe you 645 00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:43,799 Speaker 1: decide that you're not going to you don't like ice 646 00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:47,640 Speaker 1: cream for whatever reason, or maybe you don't eat it 647 00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,400 Speaker 1: because you're allergic to it or something like that. Like 648 00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,279 Speaker 1: our choices. I think that is something I really want 649 00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:55,760 Speaker 1: you guys to hear too, is that you are allowed 650 00:37:55,800 --> 00:38:00,160 Speaker 1: to have a reason other than the black and white 651 00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:04,440 Speaker 1: culture says it's bad and antidic culture says it's okay 652 00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:07,520 Speaker 1: to have. You're allowed to have a reason outside of that. 653 00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:10,720 Speaker 1: And that is really what I want to encourage people 654 00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:16,600 Speaker 1: to do, is develop their own desires and reasonings and 655 00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:21,839 Speaker 1: likes and dislikes, because lord knows, I had a lot 656 00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:25,080 Speaker 1: of likes and dislikes when I was in my disordered 657 00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:31,000 Speaker 1: eating that I actually despised or I actually really wanted 658 00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:35,239 Speaker 1: something else, but I would convince myself based on what 659 00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:37,920 Speaker 1: they said, and so I lost that ability to actually 660 00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:42,080 Speaker 1: know what I enjoyed. And that goes from food to movement, 661 00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:44,759 Speaker 1: the types of movement I did to even like the 662 00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:47,160 Speaker 1: type of person I was, like what I enjoyed doing 663 00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:51,840 Speaker 1: for fun, And with that those can change as you 664 00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:54,360 Speaker 1: move out of that space, and also, just like you 665 00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:58,520 Speaker 1: were talking about with the lifestyle, as you're having kids, 666 00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:02,760 Speaker 1: those preferences get to continue to change throughout your life. 667 00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:07,120 Speaker 1: And some food that you really loved and was awesome 668 00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:09,240 Speaker 1: at some point in your life you might not really 669 00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:12,400 Speaker 1: care about later. You might like a certain type of 670 00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:15,000 Speaker 1: workout at certain point in your life, and then later 671 00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:16,719 Speaker 1: you might be like, I hate that. This is what 672 00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:19,680 Speaker 1: I want to do now, And you're allowed to keep having. 673 00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:24,160 Speaker 2: Those and from also just listening to your body, like 674 00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:28,960 Speaker 2: once versus needs. The way that you moved your body 675 00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:32,520 Speaker 2: in your twenties is probably not the same way you're 676 00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:35,640 Speaker 2: going to move your body in your thirties and forties 677 00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:39,640 Speaker 2: and fifties because it physically won't feel good. Yeah, So 678 00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:41,919 Speaker 2: even though like, well, I want to do this type 679 00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:43,960 Speaker 2: of exercise, this is what I like to do when 680 00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:47,160 Speaker 2: I was twenty for years, and I want to keep 681 00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:51,759 Speaker 2: doing that, but my life is different to where that 682 00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:56,239 Speaker 2: doesn't feel good anymore. I'm chronically sore, I don't have 683 00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:59,480 Speaker 2: the time for it. There's so many other factors that 684 00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:04,560 Speaker 2: you're bringing in that help form decisions versus like I 685 00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:07,080 Speaker 2: really want to do it this way because this is 686 00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:09,080 Speaker 2: how I've always done We've always done it, and then 687 00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:12,200 Speaker 2: that keeps us so stuck and then we're fighting for 688 00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:14,919 Speaker 2: it and we suffer from that. 689 00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,959 Speaker 1: Well, and there's so much we suffer physically. But there's 690 00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:20,240 Speaker 1: what I hear a lot is there's so much shame 691 00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:21,120 Speaker 1: in that, Well. 692 00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:23,200 Speaker 2: Right, I used to do this, Why I can't do 693 00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:25,640 Speaker 2: it now? And it's like, well, yeah, because you're twenty 694 00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:30,040 Speaker 2: years older and you're not in college anymore. You know, 695 00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:32,440 Speaker 2: like you don't have that time, You've got a family, 696 00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:37,000 Speaker 2: you've got a you know, Like, no, that's true, and like, 697 00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:40,920 Speaker 2: how can you find a way to like relate to 698 00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:44,720 Speaker 2: it or get you know that also isn't physically causing 699 00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:48,160 Speaker 2: injury and you recover better, and like it's not taking 700 00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:51,640 Speaker 2: away from other things that you want to do too. 701 00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,400 Speaker 1: And just because you see somebody else who maybe looks 702 00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:56,359 Speaker 1: like they're able to do it, one we don't really 703 00:40:56,440 --> 00:41:00,279 Speaker 1: know what's going on within them. And two they have 704 00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:03,360 Speaker 1: a different body and so there's so much information that 705 00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:06,120 Speaker 1: we don't have. So it's not fair to anybody to 706 00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:10,279 Speaker 1: make an assumption off of that. And I've noticed in 707 00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:13,719 Speaker 1: the last couple of years. I used to love really 708 00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:18,360 Speaker 1: high intensity workouts and I loved cycling specifically, and I 709 00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:20,799 Speaker 1: would do it. I could do it almost every day 710 00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:24,520 Speaker 1: and feel energized and great and everything was working right. 711 00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:27,640 Speaker 1: And the last couple of years, it's like my back 712 00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,960 Speaker 1: was hurting or just everything was tight, or I just 713 00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:34,440 Speaker 1: didn't feel as energized after it. And so I slowly 714 00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:37,759 Speaker 1: kind of did it less and less and less and 715 00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:41,040 Speaker 1: allowed myself to experiment with other things that I wasn't 716 00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:44,360 Speaker 1: doing as much. And do I miss the experience that 717 00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:47,040 Speaker 1: I had in those classes? Yeah, because they were really fun. 718 00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:49,640 Speaker 1: It doesn't mean that they were bad, and they are 719 00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:54,080 Speaker 1: bad now. But also I feel so much better doing 720 00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:57,840 Speaker 1: other things. And it's not because I have given up 721 00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:01,000 Speaker 1: on myself or I'm not trying hard enough or I'm weak. 722 00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:05,839 Speaker 1: It's because that wasn't serving my mind the wholeness of 723 00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:07,840 Speaker 1: my life in the same way. It almost would like 724 00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:10,360 Speaker 1: ruin that experience because I would force myself. If I 725 00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,839 Speaker 1: was still forcing myself to go, it wouldn't be as fun, 726 00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:14,560 Speaker 1: and then I would have these memories of it being 727 00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:16,960 Speaker 1: somewhat torturous versus exciting. 728 00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:17,800 Speaker 2: Yeah. 729 00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:20,880 Speaker 1: Okay, so I hope this episode was somewhat helpful to 730 00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:23,360 Speaker 1: some of you guys. I know it's helpful for me 731 00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:26,160 Speaker 1: to talk about these things, and I also know that 732 00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:29,680 Speaker 1: not everybody has people in a space to have these types. 733 00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:30,960 Speaker 2: Of conversations with. 734 00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:35,439 Speaker 1: And so hopefully you have found yourself in a place 735 00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:37,920 Speaker 1: where maybe it felt like we were talking with you 736 00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:41,240 Speaker 1: in this conversation. If you have any questions or comments, 737 00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:45,280 Speaker 1: feedback stories, feel free to send them to me Catherine 738 00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:51,000 Speaker 1: at nied Therapy podcast dot com. I love getting your feedback, 739 00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:56,640 Speaker 1: specifically when it's kind, even if you don't agree with me. Yeah, 740 00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:58,399 Speaker 1: even if you don't agree with me, you can still 741 00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:00,879 Speaker 1: nice to get something where you don't agree and it's kind. 742 00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:06,279 Speaker 1: And if you want to hear more from Crystal or 743 00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:09,160 Speaker 1: work with her or learn more about what she does, 744 00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:12,319 Speaker 1: where can they find you? 745 00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:18,000 Speaker 2: You can visit our website. It's Horizon Nutritioncounseling dot com. 746 00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:23,719 Speaker 2: We're also on Instagram at Horizon Underscore Nutrition Counseling. 747 00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:25,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, and we'll put all the links to that in 748 00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:27,879 Speaker 1: the notes so you can just click on it and go. 749 00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:30,440 Speaker 1: But yeah, if you have any questions, specifically even for 750 00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:33,160 Speaker 1: a couch Shocks episode, maybe a question about something we 751 00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:36,759 Speaker 1: talked about send it to us, and again, Crystal works 752 00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:38,920 Speaker 1: next door to me, so if it's a question we 753 00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:42,319 Speaker 1: can answer quickly. Although it seems like we're a little 754 00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:46,479 Speaker 1: long winter, we can do that as well. So thank 755 00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:49,319 Speaker 1: you for being here with us. I will be back 756 00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:52,040 Speaker 1: Wednesday for couch talks, and until then, I hope you have. 757 00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:54,040 Speaker 2: The day that you need to have. 758 00:43:54,640 --> 00:44:02,520 Speaker 1: Bye.