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Speaker 1: most Yankees insiders expect the Yankees to be aggressive to

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Speaker 1: try and bring back Cody Bellinger, who had a really

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Speaker 1: Kyle Tucker is a very intriguing guy. He had a

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Speaker 1: both of these guys are expected to command big contracts,

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Speaker 1: and I wouldn't expect this to happen for a while.

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Speaker 1: It's going to take some time to play out. This

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Speaker 1: the thought was that the Yankees would try and get

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Speaker 1: We had a conversation with Andy Martino, who covers the

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Speaker 1: Right, let's begin with my conversation with Andy Martino, he

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Speaker 1: makes the case that the Yankees should bring back Cody Bellinger.

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Speaker 1: How are we looking at this winter? Do you think

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Speaker 3: I know they want Bellinger, that doesn't preclude necessarily them

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Speaker 3: say this, Derek, that the I don't think they're gonna

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Speaker 3: this point, this early, and I want to stress we're

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Speaker 3: talking at a time when the Yankees haven't had their

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Speaker 3: Having said that, Bellinger is the absolute perfect ideal of

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about whether or not the Yankees

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Speaker 1: to two thousand and eight, no one expected the Yankees

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Speaker 1: But you know what, it worked, and the Yankees could

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Speaker 1: And knowing that the Yankees already have a number of dhs,

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Speaker 1: him in left field. Now that displaces Jason Domingez. Now

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Speaker 1: maybe the Yankees just see Dominguez as a fourth outfielder,

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Speaker 1: You could also trade Domingez, which I'm not happy with.

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of untapped potential there. You could put

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Speaker 1: They would be a little bit too left handed, for sure.

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Speaker 1: to my conversation with Ryan Garcia, who basically makes the

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Speaker 1: you know, the future of him as a DH. You know,

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Speaker 1: With Cody Bellinger versus Kyle Tucker, I'll just give you

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Speaker 1: get your advantages and disadvantages for each So Bellinger had

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Speaker 1: Bellinger's had his share of injuries in the past. Bellinger

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Speaker 2: So I'm gonna go clean sweep with my answers to that,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna go Kyle Tucker for me because I think

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Speaker 2: Cody Bellinger brings to the table defensively. I want to

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Speaker 2: clarify by saying, Kyle Tucker, I think in left field

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Speaker 2: He has more walks than strikeouts over the last two years.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I to an extent, You're definitely right

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Speaker 1: So that is the state of things as we embark

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Speaker 1: be a lot of moving parts. I think the Yankees

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Speaker 1: I mean, a rod walked in the door one day.

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Speaker 1: That was crazy. Let me know in the comments what

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