WEBVTT - A&R Dante Ross on Signing Busta Rhymes & ODB + Why Today's Rap Sucks! 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:01.680 That's the Chronicals. 0:00:01.920 --> 0:00:05.000 He gonna tell you how we go. 0:00:04.680 --> 0:00:12.560 Welcome to the Gangster Chronicles podcast, the production of iHeart 0:00:12.600 --> 0:00:14.560 Radio and Black Effect Podcast Network. 0:00:17.400 --> 0:00:21.040 That's how I got So that's how I got so 0:00:21.239 --> 0:00:23.800 cool with a lot of New York artists, man, because 0:00:25.600 --> 0:00:29.800 regardless of what was going on, Man, I got a 0:00:29.840 --> 0:00:32.240 lot of respect from a lot of New York artists 0:00:32.320 --> 0:00:35.320 and vice versa. So you know, I was never into 0:00:35.360 --> 0:00:39.800 the bullshit. You know, I used to fuck with niggas 0:00:39.840 --> 0:00:45.640 like uh, Pete and Premiere and early Nis before he 0:00:45.760 --> 0:00:47.839 came out. We all used to hang out with the 0:00:47.880 --> 0:00:50.559 Premier man in the white MPV van and he used 0:00:50.600 --> 0:00:53.400 to pick me up and roll me around, take me 0:00:53.479 --> 0:00:56.920 to the crib. And so that's how I got familiar 0:00:56.960 --> 0:00:59.760 hanging out with him and people like Tretch and Ship 0:00:59.840 --> 0:01:01.160 like that on each coach. 0:01:01.240 --> 0:01:04.760 So respect do makes sense? I know, I know you 0:01:04.840 --> 0:01:06.759 fuck with Prima. I knew that I seen Preme bring 0:01:06.760 --> 0:01:09.800 you out at summer Steads in New York. But I 0:01:09.840 --> 0:01:11.320 knew he was fucking with him back in the day 0:01:11.520 --> 0:01:14.119 because you know Primes, my Man and Pete and all them. 0:01:14.720 --> 0:01:18.560 Yeah, prem brought me the bb Kings one time. Crazy 0:01:18.920 --> 0:01:21.760 He brought me out to do some stuff with Black Poet. 0:01:23.720 --> 0:01:23.840 Uh. 0:01:24.040 --> 0:01:26.720 Like I said, anytime I would go to New York 0:01:26.800 --> 0:01:30.120 on the promo run or anything like that, ship I 0:01:30.120 --> 0:01:33.640 would call Primo and Premo pick us up. Primo introduced 0:01:33.640 --> 0:01:35.959 me to Swisher sweets Man blunts. 0:01:35.560 --> 0:01:40.039 And crazy crazy because to me, the Swishers, that's like, yeah, 0:01:40.040 --> 0:01:42.040 the Swishers to l A, we do. We did Philly 0:01:42.280 --> 0:01:44.480 We did Phillies back then, and then moved to the 0:01:44.560 --> 0:01:52.440 Dutch Master. Yeah, the White House really really L's. 0:01:53.680 --> 0:01:58.000 And I smoked my first blunt with Primo. Man. He 0:01:58.120 --> 0:02:01.200 introduced me. When I came back the La probably like 0:02:01.880 --> 0:02:05.080 eighty nine ninety Nigga, I ran straight to Save Vins 0:02:05.120 --> 0:02:08.560 and it was Billy blunts man. And I've been smoking 0:02:08.600 --> 0:02:09.960 blunts ever since. Man. 0:02:10.639 --> 0:02:12.919 La was always CALLI to me was always eight people 0:02:12.960 --> 0:02:15.399 smoke zags because New York we never have We don't 0:02:15.400 --> 0:02:17.440 have orange Jaggs. We didn't have them to way later. 0:02:17.760 --> 0:02:19.040 We had Bam Boo back in. 0:02:19.000 --> 0:02:21.920 The day, right, we had the zags and shit. So 0:02:22.000 --> 0:02:23.919 that's how we used to get all smoke on. And 0:02:23.919 --> 0:02:26.440 then once I came back from New York, I'm like, 0:02:26.680 --> 0:02:31.560 I ain't never smoking that shit, no more big factory blunts. 0:02:31.600 --> 0:02:34.679 Niggas stuffed their motherfuckers and just be smoking all day 0:02:34.760 --> 0:02:37.720 like a big ass Cuban cigar. But just you know, shit, 0:02:37.880 --> 0:02:40.480 So definitely got love for New York. 0:02:41.720 --> 0:02:44.480 You know, I'm like you, like I always like LA 0:02:44.680 --> 0:02:47.239 was always cool to me. I never I never felt 0:02:47.240 --> 0:02:48.680 none of that fun because you know, I've been fucking 0:02:48.680 --> 0:02:52.160 with mugs and Cypruss came out since they was seven 0:02:52.240 --> 0:02:55.520 eight three, and you know be Real was named Louis, 0:02:55.560 --> 0:02:56.880 so you know what I mean, Like I knew them 0:02:56.919 --> 0:02:59.240 from back then. So to me, like that was always 0:02:59.240 --> 0:03:01.520 my people in LA when I came to LA, always 0:03:01.560 --> 0:03:03.480 felling with mugs and b relling them. So to me, 0:03:03.639 --> 0:03:04.560 LA was always cool. 0:03:05.120 --> 0:03:09.200 Definitely. That's crazy, man. You know what, this would be 0:03:09.240 --> 0:03:11.079 a dope ass show just listening to you and a 0:03:11.840 --> 0:03:14.760 tell those stories man about back in the day. Two legends, 0:03:14.800 --> 0:03:18.480 just building man reminiscent. What's happening to my people? It's 0:03:18.520 --> 0:03:21.760 another episode against the Chronicles podcast with m C eight 0:03:21.840 --> 0:03:25.320 and myself Norm Steele. Tonight we have legendary a n 0:03:25.440 --> 0:03:28.240 R DNTE Ross in the building. Now Dante Ross signed 0:03:28.280 --> 0:03:30.040 a whole bunch of dope people, and he telling us 0:03:30.040 --> 0:03:32.520 some real dope stories, you know, like he talked about 0:03:32.520 --> 0:03:34.880 Big Daddy came putting hands on Slick Rick. But it 0:03:34.920 --> 0:03:37.080 ain't all about that. If you in your car, let 0:03:37.120 --> 0:03:39.240 you seek back and recline back. If you at home 0:03:39.360 --> 0:03:42.000 for yourself a drinking your favorite beverage and shake out 0:03:42.000 --> 0:03:43.000 this dope conversation. 0:03:46.600 --> 0:03:48.440 Hey, I'm right here, man, I'm for it. You know 0:03:48.520 --> 0:03:50.120 I was. I was always a fan of the way 0:03:50.160 --> 0:03:52.800 you wrap the off beat on Beach style. That was 0:03:52.800 --> 0:03:55.160 always charged to me. You know who took me under? 0:03:55.240 --> 0:03:57.040 Was that was you know, we love that record in 0:03:57.080 --> 0:03:58.360 New York and it was fucking with that. 0:03:58.640 --> 0:04:01.560 Yeah, yeah, they banged it took me under in New York. 0:04:01.720 --> 0:04:04.960 All that that early music to drive by Ship. 0:04:04.800 --> 0:04:08.080 Yeah, that was my ship. That shit was funky. I 0:04:08.160 --> 0:04:10.640 like because y'all also had like you had, like you 0:04:10.680 --> 0:04:12.920 had the Lee Dorsey joint, Like you had a lot 0:04:12.960 --> 0:04:15.800 of breaks, Like I think Noon was doing it, but 0:04:15.840 --> 0:04:17.400 you was using a lot of ill breaks. 0:04:17.640 --> 0:04:19.520 Slip was doing a lot of that. You know, the 0:04:19.640 --> 0:04:23.480 meter and le Dosh all that Slip. Slip was one 0:04:23.520 --> 0:04:25.560 of those digging the crates type of DJ. 0:04:25.880 --> 0:04:28.279 So, yeah, he had to give it up joint the 0:04:28.320 --> 0:04:30.120 Lee Dorset Ship. When I when I heard that, I 0:04:30.160 --> 0:04:32.120 was like, Oh, these motherfuckers got records. 0:04:31.760 --> 0:04:35.080 Over here, definitely, and you produced to right down to 0:04:35.160 --> 0:04:38.120 you don't produce a Yeah, I don't produce anymore, but 0:04:38.279 --> 0:04:39.560 you know I did for a long time. 0:04:39.640 --> 0:04:41.680 Yeah, And I always had my hand that ship with 0:04:41.800 --> 0:04:44.280 like whether it was Poobab Brand, Nubian or Third Base, 0:04:44.279 --> 0:04:47.599 whoever was. Oh, I was this ship. And then later 0:04:47.640 --> 0:04:50.600 on I did. I did bigger alternative records. I produced 0:04:50.640 --> 0:04:52.320 ever last solo record shit like that. 0:04:52.640 --> 0:04:55.239 Yeah, that every last record was huged, man, for those people. 0:04:55.440 --> 0:04:57.520 You know, we're not gonna do the standard introduction cause 0:04:57.520 --> 0:05:00.240 I'm like just sitting back here, like y'all do we 0:05:00.360 --> 0:05:03.240 have A and R legs? And you know when people 0:05:03.279 --> 0:05:05.040 it was really A and R records, A real A 0:05:05.200 --> 0:05:08.680 and R, real record man, Dante Ross Man, we appreciate 0:05:08.720 --> 0:05:09.560 you coming on man. 0:05:10.360 --> 0:05:12.120 Man, it's a pleasure to be here. Man. 0:05:12.480 --> 0:05:15.000 Yeah, we will continue on with this dope conversation man, 0:05:15.040 --> 0:05:18.320 because I think your contribution to hip hop, because both 0:05:18.360 --> 0:05:21.400 of y'all contribution to hip hop, man is very understated, man. 0:05:21.400 --> 0:05:25.040 And I think I listened to people give people props, 0:05:25.440 --> 0:05:27.560 and I don't you know, everybody don't deserve the props 0:05:27.560 --> 0:05:29.960 that they necessarily get because a lot of people take 0:05:30.000 --> 0:05:31.839 credit for stuff that they didn't do. But you really 0:05:31.880 --> 0:05:33.520 had a hand and this stuff. I think that's what 0:05:33.600 --> 0:05:35.520 made you real special is you. 0:05:35.520 --> 0:05:38.800 Had a hand with it. Had I mean, I love 0:05:39.040 --> 0:05:40.760 I love the music, so you know what I mean. 0:05:40.800 --> 0:05:43.120 I grew up like loving music my whole life. I 0:05:43.160 --> 0:05:45.480 never knew what I was gonna do, and then somehow 0:05:45.520 --> 0:05:47.800 I lucked in the music business because our friends who 0:05:47.880 --> 0:05:50.120 was you know, was getting on, was popping, Like I 0:05:50.160 --> 0:05:52.640 grew up with the beasties and and all that, so 0:05:52.720 --> 0:05:54.640 being around it, man, I was just so lucky that 0:05:55.120 --> 0:05:57.880 not have to fucking do construction anymore and fucking all 0:05:57.880 --> 0:06:00.280 the bullshit I was doing. So for me, it was 0:06:00.320 --> 0:06:03.240 always like music first, all the other shit the second. 0:06:03.279 --> 0:06:05.160 You know what I mean, Yeah, for sure, I bet 0:06:05.240 --> 0:06:07.200 you feel like you never worked a day in your life. 0:06:07.200 --> 0:06:09.599 Then, Yeah, it's crazy to say that because I always 0:06:09.600 --> 0:06:11.120 say that I've never had a real job. I was like, 0:06:11.120 --> 0:06:12.960 I don't really know what that's like. I just know 0:06:13.000 --> 0:06:15.360 how to do what I do, and somehow I managed 0:06:15.400 --> 0:06:17.159 to make it, you know, work for me. You know, 0:06:17.200 --> 0:06:20.159 I got lucky, man, you know, and everyone doesn't get lucky. 0:06:20.360 --> 0:06:25.040 Doing an R is so overrated in a sense because 0:06:25.720 --> 0:06:28.159 most people who love music have good taste. You know. 0:06:28.279 --> 0:06:29.799 I was just lucky enough to be in the spot 0:06:29.839 --> 0:06:32.600 to open the door for some people, you know, and 0:06:32.680 --> 0:06:35.480 keep my spot. But you know, it's like a lot 0:06:35.520 --> 0:06:38.000 of A and R people are just we're really just 0:06:38.000 --> 0:06:40.680 glorified super fans. We're not that much more than that. 0:06:40.920 --> 0:06:43.800 You know, people get people get super gassed on that shit, 0:06:43.880 --> 0:06:44.800 but it ain't really all that. 0:06:45.520 --> 0:06:47.920 Yeah, I was an A and R seven years, man, 0:06:47.920 --> 0:06:50.240 I did it for seven years, the mind of music 0:06:50.240 --> 0:06:52.080 published and always tell people I was a guy that 0:06:52.160 --> 0:06:53.360 had a pin with no ink in it. 0:06:54.200 --> 0:06:56.760 I feel you, man, I mean amount of great shit 0:06:56.839 --> 0:06:58.560 that people. You know, my boss wouldn't let me sign 0:06:58.600 --> 0:07:01.320 sup so because there's kill him then, Like I wanted 0:07:01.360 --> 0:07:03.320 to sign them, and he was like, we're not going 0:07:03.400 --> 0:07:05.400 to put that record out and I was like, for real, 0:07:05.839 --> 0:07:07.479 I could have signed him. So that's like, you know, 0:07:07.520 --> 0:07:08.880 and there's always so many that tells me what you 0:07:08.920 --> 0:07:11.240 can and can't do, and this shit is just stupid, 0:07:11.400 --> 0:07:13.080 you know, the motherfuckers you don't really know the culture 0:07:13.120 --> 0:07:13.960 want to tell you what to do. 0:07:14.240 --> 0:07:16.200 Yeah, I got a big one. So these people from 0:07:16.200 --> 0:07:18.160 England had a bag of money. They owned a lot 0:07:18.160 --> 0:07:21.760 of catalog. They actually owned the Chocolate Dyte record. They 0:07:21.760 --> 0:07:25.040 actually made all their money from sample. They owned that record, right, 0:07:25.800 --> 0:07:28.200 and they had that Yard Born people. Was a bunch 0:07:28.200 --> 0:07:30.040 of gap band stuff. So they you know, they talked 0:07:30.040 --> 0:07:31.960 to me and I actually met them clearing the sample. 0:07:32.760 --> 0:07:36.000 I was cleaning the sample for Glasses album and they 0:07:36.000 --> 0:07:38.360 were asking me who did the production on the records, right? 0:07:38.920 --> 0:07:41.000 And I was like, oh, we did all this stuff ourselves. 0:07:41.000 --> 0:07:42.640 So I met with him in La and next thing 0:07:42.680 --> 0:07:44.280 you know, I had the job. Right. They were telling 0:07:44.280 --> 0:07:45.800 me they moved me to the office in LA. So 0:07:46.560 --> 0:07:49.240 my boy top Dog from TV, he hits me up, man, 0:07:49.240 --> 0:07:51.560 this is maybe two thousand and six, This is real early, 0:07:51.640 --> 0:07:54.280 like two thousand and six, two thousand and seven, he says, 0:07:54.320 --> 0:07:56.440 hey man, And at that point he only got I 0:07:56.480 --> 0:07:59.680 think he has. He got Kendrick, he got Jay Rock, 0:08:00.400 --> 0:08:02.400 he got Apps, so he got school Boy Q. That 0:08:02.480 --> 0:08:04.560 was the whole TD roster, right. They were doing this 0:08:04.560 --> 0:08:07.240 stuff out the back of the roage and Carson and 0:08:07.320 --> 0:08:09.240 I knew he had some shit. Like you said, we're 0:08:09.240 --> 0:08:11.680 fans of music. I said, man, this dude got some shit, man, 0:08:11.720 --> 0:08:15.680 and this Kadi kid is unbelievable. You know. He had 0:08:15.720 --> 0:08:17.680 all these big words and stuff. He didn't wrap like 0:08:17.680 --> 0:08:20.120 the normal sixteen year old. So he came to me 0:08:20.200 --> 0:08:22.760 and said, hey, steal, see if I got to put 0:08:22.760 --> 0:08:24.960 some money in these guys pocket. They getting askedy, see 0:08:25.000 --> 0:08:26.640 if you can give me a publishing deal for about 0:08:26.640 --> 0:08:29.400 one hundred and fifty two hundred, not that much money. 0:08:29.560 --> 0:08:31.960 I went up and asked him. They about laughed me 0:08:32.000 --> 0:08:34.640 out the office. They said, these people have no analytics. 0:08:34.640 --> 0:08:38.000 What are we just giving money away? You know that? No, no, no, 0:08:39.200 --> 0:08:41.120 And the funny part about it. They hit me two 0:08:41.200 --> 0:08:42.880 years later, Hey man, you think we can still do 0:08:42.920 --> 0:08:46.199 that deal? I said, yeah, right, No. 0:08:46.720 --> 0:08:49.440 An or means analytics and research. Now that's all that 0:08:49.440 --> 0:08:52.240 should mean. People reading numbers on paper, you know, and 0:08:52.240 --> 0:08:55.920 that's that doing shit like that, you'll find you might 0:08:55.960 --> 0:08:58.760 find a fly by night record of a one off artist, 0:08:58.800 --> 0:09:00.520 but you ain't finding an artist I got, like a 0:09:00.559 --> 0:09:03.400 career artist. You're not going to find somebody who's around 0:09:03.440 --> 0:09:05.760 forever that way. That's just you're gonna find that one 0:09:05.760 --> 0:09:07.679 thing that's lightning in a bottle, but you're not going 0:09:07.720 --> 0:09:10.440 to find a great one like that very rarely. Man. 0:09:11.000 --> 0:09:15.240 Yeah, collectively, all those four guys man have all sold upwards. 0:09:15.480 --> 0:09:17.679 I always keep kind of saying, man, these dudes are 0:09:17.720 --> 0:09:22.160 so like men twenty twenty five million records collectively, you know. 0:09:22.880 --> 0:09:25.000 I mean kay Dot when he was just a pen 0:09:25.240 --> 0:09:27.480 like you know, before section eighty. I remember he had 0:09:27.480 --> 0:09:30.240 the mixtapes out. He was just writing for Dre and 0:09:30.240 --> 0:09:32.559 that's how he got plugged in. You know, he was 0:09:32.600 --> 0:09:35.600 one of his writers. And he's like to me, like, 0:09:36.480 --> 0:09:38.600 because the era that that we come from, you know, 0:09:38.679 --> 0:09:42.160 most a lot of disraption now couldn't hold water back 0:09:42.200 --> 0:09:45.359 in that era in the nineties or early two thousands. 0:09:45.720 --> 0:09:48.199 You know, Kendrick could hold water back then. He's dope 0:09:48.280 --> 0:09:50.400 like he would have been dope back then. Where a 0:09:50.400 --> 0:09:53.120 lot of these dudes is coming. You know, it's it's 0:09:53.160 --> 0:09:55.360 cool for now, it ain't really cool for like the 0:09:55.400 --> 0:09:57.120 standards that like we have, you know what I mean, 0:09:57.160 --> 0:10:00.960 it's a little different, you know because because lyrics don't like, 0:10:01.120 --> 0:10:05.760 rapping doesn't really count like that anymore, say any ghibli. 0:10:05.559 --> 0:10:10.720 Yeah, the standard of what we I guess uh stood 0:10:10.800 --> 0:10:16.600 on when it came hip hop or whatever. Uh it 0:10:16.679 --> 0:10:19.560 was a bigger standard that we took. We took pride, 0:10:19.640 --> 0:10:23.840 and that's how I try to tell motherfuckers. We took 0:10:23.880 --> 0:10:29.080 pride in making songs, you get me. We didn't take 0:10:29.160 --> 0:10:32.600 pride and just coming out rapping. You getting anybody do it? 0:10:32.760 --> 0:10:37.160 S not that, not that, not the clown. But we 0:10:37.280 --> 0:10:40.160 had ship like you know, we had rappers, and we 0:10:40.280 --> 0:10:45.240 had MC's who made songs. Right, those are the type 0:10:45.280 --> 0:10:48.680 of artists who you look up today and they're still 0:10:48.720 --> 0:10:51.640 able to do a concert or or put out a 0:10:51.679 --> 0:10:54.960 single or video or whatever. Because we were able to 0:10:55.240 --> 0:10:58.480 uh uh stand the test of time because of the 0:10:58.559 --> 0:11:04.120 pride we took. You get nobody. Nobody wanted to release 0:11:04.200 --> 0:11:07.080 no whack ship to be on the radio, you get me. 0:11:07.320 --> 0:11:09.800 And yeah, you could have made a mixed show or whatever, 0:11:09.960 --> 0:11:13.520 but the pride of your song made you go fuck that. 0:11:14.080 --> 0:11:16.800 I'm a really records, you get me? 0:11:17.360 --> 0:11:20.880 You don't, you know? The standard of rapping it it 0:11:20.880 --> 0:11:23.760 it's like the bar has been lowered, right, and everything's 0:11:23.760 --> 0:11:26.160 supposed to go up. Like we look at sports right 0:11:26.240 --> 0:11:29.280 like I'm a basketball fanatic motherfuckers are so athletic and 0:11:29.280 --> 0:11:32.800 incredible now, right, But rapping did the opposite that the 0:11:32.800 --> 0:11:39.560 bar got lowered for you're like really like, I mean, it's. 0:11:37.800 --> 0:11:41.200 A lot of a lot of the motherfuckers because you know, 0:11:41.360 --> 0:11:47.520 the the the average fan of rap music changed and 0:11:47.559 --> 0:11:51.480 it's simple and what I tell niggas all the time, 0:11:53.080 --> 0:11:57.760 you're smart, motherfucker, but sometimes to be long and to 0:11:57.840 --> 0:12:00.920 put yourself in a different element, you dumb yourself down. 0:12:01.360 --> 0:12:04.640 You get you make it simpler, easier, more palatable. 0:12:04.200 --> 0:12:08.080 And that's what motherfuckers start doing. They start dumbing themselves 0:12:08.160 --> 0:12:12.720 down to the to the music because everybody not gonna 0:12:12.800 --> 0:12:17.720 understand a hood took me under or self explanatory niggas 0:12:17.760 --> 0:12:24.160 struggling or you know, a growing up in the hood. Uh, simplified. 0:12:24.400 --> 0:12:27.960 Everybody gonna understand, get your gun, make you some money, 0:12:28.000 --> 0:12:30.080 and shoot and fuck bitches. 0:12:30.200 --> 0:12:33.480 You get me the moneyfuck bitches. That's shit kind of 0:12:33.559 --> 0:12:37.280 like yeah, everyone got that, everyone gets that, but motherfucker's. 0:12:36.720 --> 0:12:39.560 Gonna you know, but what's your story behind? And I 0:12:39.600 --> 0:12:41.840 think that's where it changed, because a lot of niggas 0:12:41.880 --> 0:12:44.920 was like, man, I'm not trying to make no motherfucking 0:12:45.040 --> 0:12:48.240 song that I look up thirty years from now, they 0:12:48.320 --> 0:12:50.880 gonna be still talking about growing up in the hood 0:12:51.000 --> 0:12:53.920 or hood took me under shit, nigga, I'm trying to 0:12:53.960 --> 0:12:56.360 make some shit right now, quick fast, in the hurry, 0:12:56.720 --> 0:12:59.160 and then get it over with. And so a lot 0:12:59.200 --> 0:13:02.480 of artists dumb themselves down because they want to be simplified, 0:13:02.559 --> 0:13:05.960 because a lot of motherfuckers can't get the history of 0:13:06.120 --> 0:13:08.960 hip hop. You're getting me. That's why they're always talking 0:13:09.000 --> 0:13:13.439 about trying to cancel out or or or the age 0:13:13.480 --> 0:13:17.280 difference or you're getting because they don't want to give 0:13:17.400 --> 0:13:21.960 respect to the fact that motherfucker's like you would be 0:13:22.240 --> 0:13:26.040 and Steel and whoever, we still can sustain in this 0:13:26.240 --> 0:13:29.959 business if we wanted to, because that's how deep history 0:13:30.040 --> 0:13:32.720 we had as far as our music is concerned. You 0:13:32.800 --> 0:13:35.120 put out a song today and nigg ain't gonna remember that, 0:13:35.160 --> 0:13:36.520 motherfucker past two weeks. 0:13:36.559 --> 0:13:38.439 Yeah, that's crazy you say that, because I'm always like 0:13:38.480 --> 0:13:42.680 a song, last day, album, last week now exactly is 0:13:42.760 --> 0:13:45.600 just you know, and we got like I call it 0:13:45.720 --> 0:13:48.280 swag rap, you know, dudes, just like they think they 0:13:48.320 --> 0:13:50.760 got their cute little song and they got their swag 0:13:50.800 --> 0:13:53.520 on and all that the music's not popping, like it's 0:13:53.520 --> 0:13:55.680 cool for five minutes, you know, And we always had 0:13:56.080 --> 0:13:57.760 a little bit of that, and then you got to 0:13:57.840 --> 0:14:00.240 do too Like there's always been also this out of 0:14:00.240 --> 0:14:03.760 wrap dudes, like they're not crazy spinners, but they got 0:14:03.800 --> 0:14:06.680 like a sauce to him, right, like too short, too short, 0:14:06.679 --> 0:14:08.880 a rock in, but he got sauce, you know what 0:14:08.920 --> 0:14:11.240 I mean, saucy, you know what I mean. 0:14:11.720 --> 0:14:18.160 He he sustains his group because he's stuck to his format. 0:14:18.440 --> 0:14:21.720 You get he was always too short a. 0:14:21.640 --> 0:14:24.320 Little bit when I'm gonna go down with Atlanta and 0:14:24.400 --> 0:14:27.840 get me a little little John and sprinkle out on there. 0:14:28.000 --> 0:14:31.360 But the concept is still gonna be money, ass and 0:14:31.440 --> 0:14:35.320 pussy and bitches. It's still say the same concept. You 0:14:35.440 --> 0:14:39.400 get me. I'm not I'm not gonna go into an 0:14:39.400 --> 0:14:43.200 element to where what ship I think I'm gonna be 0:14:43.240 --> 0:14:46.280 a fucking Kendrick on this record or Drake or I 0:14:46.320 --> 0:14:48.720 think I'm gonna be at No. I'm gonna stick to 0:14:48.760 --> 0:14:51.480 the format that's been working for me for the last 0:14:51.520 --> 0:14:55.040 thirty years. And he gonna call him, he gonna say bitch, 0:14:56.040 --> 0:14:58.440 and he gonna say, pop that pussy and give me 0:14:58.520 --> 0:15:02.960 some money. And every motherfucker who listened to him from 0:15:03.000 --> 0:15:06.640 back in eighty seven is gonna bang his ship today 0:15:06.960 --> 0:15:10.160 because he's sticking to the same form. Me. He ain't changed, 0:15:10.800 --> 0:15:11.160 and I. 0:15:11.120 --> 0:15:14.280 Can respect that. I respect that he saucy. You know. 0:15:14.400 --> 0:15:18.240 It's like nowadays it's a cookie cutter. Everybody want to 0:15:18.240 --> 0:15:21.120 be like the next dude. Everyone raps like the next man. 0:15:21.360 --> 0:15:23.320 A dude has a hit over here like this, and 0:15:23.400 --> 0:15:25.720 dude's trying to make that same song. You know. When 0:15:25.760 --> 0:15:27.280 we you know, back in the day, it was like 0:15:27.640 --> 0:15:29.800 you can't bite that's you know, you're sucker. 0:15:31.120 --> 0:15:34.120 Yeah that was right, there was a sucker ship. Yeah, 0:15:34.240 --> 0:15:36.400 that was just for us back then. 0:15:36.920 --> 0:15:41.640 Uh, right in the day, you just not you know man. 0:15:41.960 --> 0:15:44.360 And like I don't always want to say everything's back 0:15:44.440 --> 0:15:46.560 now because there's a lot of shit I like, you know, 0:15:46.680 --> 0:15:48.240 like I went to the show last week. I want 0:15:48.280 --> 0:15:50.960 to see Earl Sweatshirt at the Novo and and this 0:15:51.040 --> 0:15:53.280 shit was dope, Like he was. It was dope, you know, 0:15:53.320 --> 0:15:56.200 seeing Alchemists and Rock Marshy and all that shit. That 0:15:56.240 --> 0:15:58.560 shit was dope to me, you know. So there's still 0:15:58.600 --> 0:16:00.200 a lot of shit I like, like Larry you and 0:16:00.400 --> 0:16:02.680 is ill there's a lot of shit. I like, still, 0:16:03.000 --> 0:16:05.040 you just got to dig deeper. It's like it's like 0:16:05.080 --> 0:16:07.120 digging for record. You gotta just go a little. 0:16:08.440 --> 0:16:11.520 Shit because we don't get as popular, we don't get 0:16:11.560 --> 0:16:15.520 as you know, promoted as we used to and not 0:16:15.560 --> 0:16:18.320 to say back then was good, but you still had 0:16:18.360 --> 0:16:22.800 the mighty power machine, the Sony's in the universes behind you, 0:16:22.840 --> 0:16:26.640 and you might have not got to the motherfucking Hollywood Bowl, 0:16:26.720 --> 0:16:30.720 but you got to the motherfucking Hollywood Palladium, you get right, right, 0:16:31.720 --> 0:16:34.720 You get me that we might have didn't play the form, 0:16:35.080 --> 0:16:37.920 but we got to play the Novo Downtown or the 0:16:38.000 --> 0:16:42.080 Key Tight in Holly, right, right right, So we were 0:16:42.160 --> 0:16:45.600 able to get put on a better pedestal than nowadays. 0:16:46.080 --> 0:16:48.640 It's like, I don't want to go to that motherfucking show. 0:16:48.880 --> 0:16:50.240 You get me, like, you don't. 0:16:50.160 --> 0:16:53.200 Know shows he's so wack half the time. Now it's 0:16:53.280 --> 0:16:56.320 like dudes rap over their vocals and is like karaoke, 0:16:56.920 --> 0:16:59.840 you know, just like a garbage like dude is just going 0:16:59.880 --> 0:17:03.240 on over the vocals, not really rapping like a live 0:17:03.280 --> 0:17:06.800 performances plummeted it is. And then you know there's still 0:17:06.800 --> 0:17:08.959 guys who you know, Earl was killing it like Tyler 0:17:09.080 --> 0:17:12.359 kills it. There's people who still still kill it. You know. 0:17:12.400 --> 0:17:16.119 I saw Naves with fucking Wu Tang in Orange County, 0:17:16.160 --> 0:17:17.960 like when it was out a little while ago. Ship 0:17:18.080 --> 0:17:20.280 was funky, you know what I mean? But you got 0:17:20.440 --> 0:17:22.480 you got a lot of shit that's not funky right now. 0:17:22.600 --> 0:17:25.159 And and you know, even like doing A and R 0:17:25.320 --> 0:17:27.440 so like I have my own label with rock Nation now, 0:17:27.880 --> 0:17:29.679 But before I had this, I was I worked at 0:17:30.400 --> 0:17:32.520 for Warner Music Group, and you know, I was like 0:17:32.680 --> 0:17:35.040 chasing things with numbers because I was my job. And 0:17:35.080 --> 0:17:37.399 I signed a couple of things that like hit, but 0:17:37.480 --> 0:17:40.119 I was like, motherfuckers, I want to be in the studio. 0:17:40.200 --> 0:17:42.240 This dude this record, he got one record, Like I know, 0:17:42.280 --> 0:17:44.800 this a problem again, And you just know that it's 0:17:44.840 --> 0:17:46.840 not a career artist. And when you start doing shit 0:17:46.920 --> 0:17:48.520 like that, that's when you got to change what you do. 0:17:49.040 --> 0:17:50.200 That should just ain't feel good? 0:17:50.600 --> 0:17:52.600 Is that? You know what's funny? You said you was 0:17:52.840 --> 0:17:54.800 at the rock Marsh. 0:17:55.760 --> 0:18:01.159 Yeah me and supposed to be there. Yeah yeah, I 0:18:01.160 --> 0:18:03.800 heard that because I fuck with what fuck with rock? 0:18:03.880 --> 0:18:07.439 He lived right near me, like, but also his manager, 0:18:07.520 --> 0:18:09.840 Robble is like one of my best friends, Selim, So 0:18:09.920 --> 0:18:12.400 I fucking Rock all the time. Rock is ill. He's 0:18:12.480 --> 0:18:19.000 to me like he's the coldest. He's cold. He raps 0:18:19.080 --> 0:18:22.159 really fucking good, like he just you know, he he 0:18:22.160 --> 0:18:24.960 he got it. He got the mojo where a lot 0:18:25.000 --> 0:18:27.040 of cats don't have it. Right now, I mean, you 0:18:27.119 --> 0:18:29.240 and Rock together will be ill. I need to hear 0:18:29.240 --> 0:18:30.040 that that shouldn't be fun. 0:18:30.520 --> 0:18:33.240 Yeah, we're trying to put some stuff together right now, 0:18:33.520 --> 0:18:35.680 you know what I'm saying. So you know it's certain, 0:18:35.840 --> 0:18:38.840 it's certain. I guess artists people can respect and when 0:18:38.840 --> 0:18:43.280 they link up and click up, it's something worthy of, 0:18:43.320 --> 0:18:46.400 you know what I'm saying. Like anytime I see Alchemist 0:18:46.480 --> 0:18:49.520 put something out, I mean, oh it's worthy. You get me. 0:18:50.240 --> 0:18:51.199 It's just to. 0:18:53.640 --> 0:18:57.840 It's just dude who still have that passion? You get me? Right? 0:18:58.400 --> 0:18:58.600 Yeah? 0:18:58.600 --> 0:19:01.439 I mean Alice like he's like, you know, he's like 0:19:01.520 --> 0:19:03.720 everyone's sun. Like I knew since she was a little kid, 0:19:03.840 --> 0:19:06.640 like he was in the hooligans. He choked it up 0:19:06.760 --> 0:19:08.520 like you know what I mean, he was born in 0:19:08.560 --> 0:19:08.960 the ship. 0:19:09.119 --> 0:19:12.679 Like man, I started fucking with alchemists man back in 0:19:12.880 --> 0:19:15.280 when I didn't even know Alchemists I was listening to 0:19:15.680 --> 0:19:18.960 you know, Ship that he was doing with Prodigy in 0:19:19.040 --> 0:19:22.040 them you know, you know, and then for him to 0:19:22.080 --> 0:19:24.480 come out and he started rapping and busting, and then 0:19:24.560 --> 0:19:26.840 I started seeing older ship when he was a kid. 0:19:27.240 --> 0:19:28.960 I was this is tight. 0:19:29.160 --> 0:19:32.439 So anytime we fucked with, anytime he calls me and 0:19:32.480 --> 0:19:34.320 be like, hey, I need you to come do something. 0:19:34.440 --> 0:19:36.440 I think I did two records with Alchemists. 0:19:36.520 --> 0:19:38.679 Yeah I heard, I heard him before. I remember, I 0:19:38.720 --> 0:19:41.640 know you Yeah, yeah, I mean you guys did one 0:19:41.680 --> 0:19:44.480 that was crazy. You want to recollect, you want to 0:19:44.480 --> 0:19:46.120 recommend Action Bronson. 0:19:47.640 --> 0:19:51.000 Bronson. And then I was on a record with Spice one. 0:19:50.880 --> 0:19:55.199 He did yeah, yeah, yeah that's crazy Spice Wheer you 0:19:55.240 --> 0:19:56.600 had an album back in the day. 0:19:56.520 --> 0:19:59.760 Right, We had two little collaboration albums. And then once 0:20:00.000 --> 0:20:05.040 Alchemist started his label. Uh, I did two singles for Alchemists. 0:20:05.160 --> 0:20:08.360 Uh tight, Like I said, he he's one of them 0:20:08.359 --> 0:20:11.119 that's got that got that sound man that you just 0:20:12.000 --> 0:20:14.160 and and now they you know, like you said, they 0:20:14.200 --> 0:20:17.400 got that team of the Larry June's and the Rock 0:20:17.560 --> 0:20:21.040 Marciano's and all of that, so they they creating that 0:20:21.200 --> 0:20:24.360 flavor which is which is I think is appreciated by 0:20:24.800 --> 0:20:27.000 old school hip hop heads, you get. 0:20:27.760 --> 0:20:29.760 Like we fuck with it. But I was at the 0:20:29.760 --> 0:20:31.560 show Man. There was a lot of youngsters there. It 0:20:31.640 --> 0:20:33.600 was cool as hell. I was like, there's a lot 0:20:33.600 --> 0:20:36.479 of you know, little little twenty year old eighteen year 0:20:36.480 --> 0:20:36.959 olds in here. 0:20:37.920 --> 0:20:40.679 He brought uh, he brought hit Boy out and hit 0:20:40.800 --> 0:20:42.040 Boy performed. 0:20:42.800 --> 0:20:46.560 Yes, yeah, James out there. 0:20:46.880 --> 0:20:51.080 Even he got a song called Slipping and he and 0:20:51.119 --> 0:20:54.600 they he hit Boy performed it. So yeah, he had 0:20:54.640 --> 0:20:58.639 everybody there like kind of putting on dope. Yeah, it 0:20:58.680 --> 0:20:59.400 was super dope. 0:20:59.480 --> 0:21:01.879 It was it was it was shit. It was my 0:21:01.920 --> 0:21:04.040 birthday to that day, so I went. I went with 0:21:04.080 --> 0:21:06.080 my people. It was fucking great. I saw Rocket. It 0:21:06.160 --> 0:21:08.600 was really cool. And that to me is like that's 0:21:08.640 --> 0:21:12.040 maybe the pocket of hip hop that is interesting to 0:21:12.080 --> 0:21:15.199 me still. You know, like but they shit everywhere, like 0:21:15.359 --> 0:21:17.679 even I look to like the South, like like I 0:21:17.800 --> 0:21:20.359 like Jid and earth Gang and Kenny Mason, all the 0:21:20.440 --> 0:21:22.600 dudes in Atlanta. The dudes rapped good too. Man, There's 0:21:22.800 --> 0:21:25.040 there's still rappers who really rap. You just got to 0:21:25.080 --> 0:21:26.359 look harder for it, man, you know. 0:21:26.840 --> 0:21:31.280 Ye earth Gang is pretty cool down in Atlanta. Yeah, 0:21:31.560 --> 0:21:33.200 how bangs them a lot. 0:21:33.440 --> 0:21:35.400 I mean, what's fucked up is that New York, which 0:21:35.400 --> 0:21:38.600 should be like really still pushing the culture, really just 0:21:38.760 --> 0:21:41.600 tried to jump on being like everywhere else, which is 0:21:41.640 --> 0:21:44.720 like super disappointing because you know, like New York had, 0:21:44.880 --> 0:21:46.960 you know, they always pushed the boundaries. I don't say 0:21:46.960 --> 0:21:49.200 that was the most progressive, but you know a lot 0:21:49.240 --> 0:21:51.639 of a lot of very forward thinking, great music in 0:21:51.760 --> 0:21:53.959 from New York, and it's just not doing it's not 0:21:54.000 --> 0:21:57.919 doing that right now. New York. Yeah, well you know 0:21:57.960 --> 0:21:59.600 it's the mecca of it, but you know, New York 0:21:59.720 --> 0:22:02.680 not It's not a leader anymore New York. New York 0:22:02.840 --> 0:22:04.879 was trying to be Atlanta for like the last decade. 0:22:05.480 --> 0:22:08.080 But what happened is when you start seeing Brooklyn Drill 0:22:08.359 --> 0:22:11.320 and all this other stuff. We talk about it all 0:22:11.359 --> 0:22:13.840 the time. Man, it's real microwave right now. You see 0:22:13.880 --> 0:22:16.160 some of these girls like rapping, and you start thinking 0:22:16.160 --> 0:22:19.679 about the Queen Latifas, the mc lights and just you 0:22:19.760 --> 0:22:22.600 know that being a female of them, see you's some 0:22:22.680 --> 0:22:24.719 really dope female them seas and I look at them 0:22:24.760 --> 0:22:27.000 now and it's almost like embarrassing. 0:22:27.119 --> 0:22:29.679 I mean female and she's a whole other category like 0:22:30.000 --> 0:22:33.479 they just I mean, you know, it's about like showing 0:22:33.480 --> 0:22:36.320 they shit and talking about they ship and that whole shit. 0:22:36.400 --> 0:22:39.080 It's like just it's been reduced to just a sex 0:22:39.280 --> 0:22:42.000 sexist cartoon at this point. It's kind of fucked up. 0:22:42.760 --> 0:22:45.199 It was part of us all too is because like 0:22:45.280 --> 0:22:48.000 making not sad, but making the Stanley could actually really rap. 0:22:48.200 --> 0:22:51.080 She don't really rap, but she can't really rap, you know, 0:22:51.119 --> 0:22:53.000 but they just you know, you're getting that box and 0:22:53.040 --> 0:22:55.280 that's the box they're gonna keep you in. Brooklyn Drill 0:22:55.400 --> 0:22:57.680 is weird to me because I like the kick Cash Cobain, 0:22:58.040 --> 0:23:00.520 because I like his spin on it because she was 0:23:00.600 --> 0:23:03.640 like he took something that super negative and he made 0:23:03.640 --> 0:23:06.000 it kind of fun. But a lot of Brooklyn Drill 0:23:06.040 --> 0:23:08.680 she is just terrible. Like the dudes just rapping, just tear. 0:23:08.720 --> 0:23:10.840 It's you know, the whole style of punching in every 0:23:10.840 --> 0:23:13.480 single bar. It's just not happening to me. So weird 0:23:13.520 --> 0:23:14.119 as style. 0:23:14.800 --> 0:23:17.840 And when you know what I think happened, man, the 0:23:17.880 --> 0:23:21.679 producer got took out the element where hip hop became 0:23:21.760 --> 0:23:24.560 easier and more accessible. You think about it now, it's 0:23:24.600 --> 0:23:26.199 like if I make a record I was telling eight 0:23:26.240 --> 0:23:28.560 the other day. I remember I would have to bring 0:23:28.600 --> 0:23:31.760 in a guitar player, a piano player, and this and that. 0:23:32.000 --> 0:23:34.040 Now I don't have to do none of that. 0:23:36.240 --> 0:23:39.080 I mean technology. Technology is a gift and a curse. 0:23:39.119 --> 0:23:39.320 Man. 0:23:39.800 --> 0:23:42.879 You know a lot of kids like our fruity loops 0:23:42.920 --> 0:23:45.440 and and look like the beauty is it is that 0:23:45.520 --> 0:23:48.359 maybe some kid who's from nowhere in his bedroom, who 0:23:48.400 --> 0:23:50.159 ain't got shit, can make a hit record and have 0:23:50.160 --> 0:23:52.360 a better life. Right, That's the beauty of it. What 0:23:52.400 --> 0:23:55.320 the downside is. The downside is a lot of motherfuckers 0:23:55.320 --> 0:23:57.879 shouldn't be making music. Is making music like you know, 0:23:58.000 --> 0:23:59.919 and everyone should have made me. 0:24:01.040 --> 0:24:04.000 Well what happened to Dante? Is this right? Where you 0:24:04.080 --> 0:24:07.160 got that producer that's kind of coaching you and as 0:24:07.200 --> 0:24:09.880 you go along, right like you think about it. Eight 0:24:09.960 --> 0:24:12.080 had his own shit going, but he had a producer 0:24:12.080 --> 0:24:15.840 in his camp. Well he had Slip, you feel what 0:24:15.840 --> 0:24:17.840 I'm saying. He had Slip and they would collaborate together. 0:24:17.920 --> 0:24:19.960 Eight is head of a producer too, so they would 0:24:19.960 --> 0:24:22.240 get together. They actually learn how to make records together, 0:24:22.280 --> 0:24:24.200 and he stayed with the same crew. Eight didn't chase 0:24:24.240 --> 0:24:26.760 what was hot. He didn't go get a peak and Timberland. 0:24:26.760 --> 0:24:28.679 He kind of stayed in his lane, right, And I 0:24:28.720 --> 0:24:31.360 think what's happening today is, like you said, New York 0:24:31.440 --> 0:24:34.840 is no longer progressive. It's because they see these records 0:24:34.880 --> 0:24:37.040 blowing up in the South. Man, I'm gonna tell you, 0:24:37.080 --> 0:24:39.480 the South is not going nowhere. Man, they got a 0:24:39.560 --> 0:24:41.840 choke hold the game. It's not gonna change. Hell, it's 0:24:41.880 --> 0:24:43.639 the biggest region in the country. You know, when you 0:24:43.680 --> 0:24:46.320 start talking about the South, you got to include the 0:24:46.359 --> 0:24:47.400 Midwestern there. 0:24:47.520 --> 0:24:51.000 You know, right, and stuff from the South to also 0:24:51.080 --> 0:24:54.040 travel better than New York music, right, Like southern music 0:24:54.080 --> 0:24:55.960 would hit in the Bay Area with hit in La 0:24:56.119 --> 0:25:00.760 More definitely, Chicago, Detroit, the middle of the country. You know, 0:25:01.200 --> 0:25:04.560 motherfucker's in New York. They talked different. It's different, you know, 0:25:04.600 --> 0:25:07.359 it's not the same dialects, So it didn't travel as 0:25:07.400 --> 0:25:09.880 well New York. Also, you know, nothing other New York 0:25:09.920 --> 0:25:12.280 was on its own did too much. Like at one point, 0:25:12.320 --> 0:25:14.560 you know, it was too much. And I think that's 0:25:14.600 --> 0:25:17.480 what kind of started the the you know, other people's 0:25:17.520 --> 0:25:19.199 like fuck New York shit, you know, and it just 0:25:19.280 --> 0:25:22.080 kind of like we did it to ourselves. If you 0:25:22.640 --> 0:25:24.440 get it, you know. And it's funny too because we 0:25:24.560 --> 0:25:28.840 talked about that nineties pocket the early two thousands, before 0:25:28.880 --> 0:25:31.199 all that shit happened with Puff and death Row and 0:25:31.240 --> 0:25:34.800 all that bullshit. Motherfuckers was musically fucking with each other 0:25:34.960 --> 0:25:37.680 and it was different sounds, but we respected all the 0:25:37.920 --> 0:25:40.600 all the snoop shit and short in New York, we 0:25:40.600 --> 0:25:42.520 was fucking all that. That shit was all cool to us. 0:25:42.720 --> 0:25:45.119 Ugk All that shit was cool to us, and New 0:25:45.200 --> 0:25:48.480 York music travel too. Once that happened, shit everything changed, 0:25:48.520 --> 0:25:50.439 you know, And I hate to say it, I almost 0:25:50.800 --> 0:25:53.760 blamed the dummy down the rat. It started with Mace. 0:25:54.240 --> 0:25:56.040 I always think he's the first one to make it 0:25:56.119 --> 0:25:59.399 stupid because it was like, you know, Big was like 0:25:59.440 --> 0:26:03.200 the greatest, and then Mace came right after. And Mace 0:26:03.320 --> 0:26:06.359 was like he was swag wrapped, like he was rapping 0:26:06.400 --> 0:26:09.240 and kind of it was like almost karaoke. He was 0:26:09.280 --> 0:26:12.040 wrapping off of shit. Every like everyone knew the records 0:26:12.040 --> 0:26:14.800 he was using. It just didn't have the creativity and 0:26:15.119 --> 0:26:16.760 everyone's seen that hit, and then it was like I 0:26:16.760 --> 0:26:17.320 could do it too. 0:26:17.720 --> 0:26:21.119 Then we got as dude the nasty rap when he 0:26:21.160 --> 0:26:21.640 want to. 0:26:21.600 --> 0:26:24.040 He actually can rap. And when he's some children corn. 0:26:24.080 --> 0:26:26.320 He actually did rap, you know, like I've seen a 0:26:26.359 --> 0:26:28.320 freestyle him the other day. He was rapping good. But 0:26:28.960 --> 0:26:32.240 you know that that moment in time, just when it 0:26:32.400 --> 0:26:35.240 changed everything forever. Ship was never the same after that. 0:26:36.280 --> 0:26:40.000 Yeah, he took it from the They took it from 0:26:40.240 --> 0:26:47.760 the natural element, and somebody figured out, let's commercialize this ship, 0:26:48.119 --> 0:26:51.399 and nigga, I'm gonna be I'm gonna be hammer with 0:26:51.480 --> 0:26:55.399 the taco bell pants on jumping down getting me like, 0:26:55.840 --> 0:26:59.560 somebody figured out, wait a minute, let me commercialize this ship. 0:27:00.119 --> 0:27:04.400 Let's use some of those popular commercialized seventies dance records 0:27:04.400 --> 0:27:07.960 and woot the womb. And next thing, you know, it 0:27:08.080 --> 0:27:12.760 seemed like the element of creation started changing because, like 0:27:12.800 --> 0:27:16.879 you said, now everybody want one of those commercialized you know, 0:27:17.280 --> 0:27:20.280 hot ninety seven hits that they can play all day, 0:27:20.320 --> 0:27:23.800 and you know, take it from you know, like you said, 0:27:23.920 --> 0:27:26.679 base with the simple records and you know, my bigging 0:27:26.800 --> 0:27:29.560 jay Z went to the ABC and you know, h 0:27:29.680 --> 0:27:33.879 to the Iszo. Everybody started going, I'm gonna commercialize the 0:27:33.920 --> 0:27:35.720 ship and make big bucks. 0:27:36.000 --> 0:27:38.760 And you know it's it's it's hard to be like 0:27:39.520 --> 0:27:43.000 commercial and still dope right to walk that fence right. 0:27:43.040 --> 0:27:44.760 A few people did it. Jay did it. I think 0:27:44.840 --> 0:27:50.280 Buster did it sometimes a big pun, right, Snoop, how 0:27:50.280 --> 0:27:51.879 do you do that? How do you walk that line 0:27:51.880 --> 0:27:53.760 and not not be corny as hell? 0:27:54.240 --> 0:27:54.440 Right? 0:27:55.160 --> 0:27:57.800 Very hard to do man. And some cats did it, well, 0:27:58.320 --> 0:28:00.199 a lot of cats did it trash, you know, like 0:28:00.680 --> 0:28:02.920 I thought it was, you know, like the d MX 0:28:03.080 --> 0:28:04.280 was like interesting. 0:28:04.480 --> 0:28:09.280 Snoop saying cuz on T mobile commercials Now, that's so crazy, right, 0:28:09.640 --> 0:28:14.359 It's crazy as motherfucker. Somebody, you know, we were sitting 0:28:14.400 --> 0:28:16.840 up somewhere. Somebody looked at me and say, did he 0:28:17.000 --> 0:28:20.280 just say cuz? And I said, yeah, that's. 0:28:20.000 --> 0:28:26.240 So crazy, so crazy. That's just the craziest right. 0:28:26.040 --> 0:28:29.720 There, exactly. And knowing from where that that's that that 0:28:29.960 --> 0:28:34.760 stem from an all walk of life to hear, you know, 0:28:35.040 --> 0:28:38.440 a big ass corporation to the point to where they 0:28:38.600 --> 0:28:41.400 letting the nigga just bang on nigga. 0:28:41.160 --> 0:28:46.000 Cuz he was cripping in the Olympics, man, Like you. 0:28:45.920 --> 0:28:50.400 Know what I mean, it's it's it's it's Snoop is 0:28:50.440 --> 0:28:54.360 the popular, he's the he's the comfortable crip. He makes 0:28:54.400 --> 0:28:58.040 everyone feel like, oh game bang and it's cool. Nigga. 0:28:58.200 --> 0:29:03.080 You see Snoop Dogg, He's to meet me, like crazy, 0:29:03.280 --> 0:29:06.400 that's that's that's cool to them. 0:29:06.640 --> 0:29:07.320 That's cool to me. 0:29:07.440 --> 0:29:09.680 I mean it's cool to me on one level because 0:29:10.160 --> 0:29:12.960 I'd rather see Snoop get that checked than someone who's 0:29:13.880 --> 0:29:15.240 years after Nigga walk. 0:29:15.120 --> 0:29:17.520 Up till you get the couzin You've been my Oh, 0:29:17.600 --> 0:29:22.560 Nigga's finna go down something. But you're like, damn this 0:29:22.680 --> 0:29:26.840 Nigga and and eighty million homes talking about eight because 0:29:27.000 --> 0:29:29.640 and move through, and it's like, oh shit, we don't care. 0:29:29.840 --> 0:29:32.640 That's Snoop dog I'm so crazy. 0:29:32.920 --> 0:29:35.000 I mean, you know, being from being from New York, 0:29:35.160 --> 0:29:36.840 like when I when I would go to l A 0:29:36.920 --> 0:29:40.720 and people people would say hard, I'd be like, oh, ship, motherfuckers, 0:29:40.760 --> 0:29:42.920 is really really about that because New York like we 0:29:43.000 --> 0:29:45.320 don't say ship with like eight days. But when that's 0:29:45.360 --> 0:29:47.520 I always knew I was in the ship. I was like, Oh, 0:29:47.560 --> 0:29:49.720 the motherbucker just said hard. I'm like, oh man, this 0:29:49.800 --> 0:29:52.200 is fucking this is the ship over here, buddy. You know, 0:29:52.720 --> 0:29:55.040 I knew Ice Cube back in the day, and I 0:29:55.040 --> 0:29:58.640 had gone to his house a long time ago right 0:29:58.680 --> 0:30:01.680 after it was after Erica's Most Wanted came out and 0:30:01.720 --> 0:30:03.480 I want to I want to hang out, and was 0:30:03.680 --> 0:30:05.920 like right around that time. And we went to his 0:30:06.000 --> 0:30:10.120 house in South Central and his mom made like I 0:30:10.160 --> 0:30:12.800 had cereal at his house and I was like, I 0:30:12.840 --> 0:30:14.280 was eating food and shit, and I was like this 0:30:14.280 --> 0:30:16.280 shit don't look bad. Like I was like, you got 0:30:16.320 --> 0:30:18.240 a house in a yard. Like I'm from New York. 0:30:18.440 --> 0:30:20.240 We don't got none of this ship. It was like 0:30:20.440 --> 0:30:23.280 night time. He was like, nighttime, it's fucked up over here. 0:30:23.320 --> 0:30:25.520 And then he told me all about it. I really 0:30:25.600 --> 0:30:29.640 seen how different it was. I always was fascinated by 0:30:30.080 --> 0:30:33.960 the cultural differences between New York and LA because New 0:30:34.040 --> 0:30:36.360 York back then, we didn't have no gang bang and shit, right, 0:30:36.400 --> 0:30:38.600 we didn't have that shit. We got your block, you 0:30:38.680 --> 0:30:40.800 got your crew from your block. It's a different a 0:30:40.840 --> 0:30:44.280 different world, you know, it was. It to me was 0:30:44.280 --> 0:30:50.240 always fascinating because we didn't have the organization. But but 0:30:50.320 --> 0:30:54.000 it was like also a little bit depressing that like 0:30:54.080 --> 0:30:56.360 so many people are born into this thing that's like, 0:30:56.920 --> 0:30:58.920 you know, man, where's it going to take you? And 0:30:58.920 --> 0:31:00.560 and there's not a lot of ways out of it, 0:31:00.640 --> 0:31:03.360 And it's generational, so you know, I would always be like, 0:31:04.200 --> 0:31:06.840 you know, and there's this book that my pops, she 0:31:06.920 --> 0:31:09.000 was a writer he pum other called City of Quartz 0:31:09.480 --> 0:31:11.720 and then explained kind of the roots of it all 0:31:12.000 --> 0:31:16.479 and mister how the penis system in California came to 0:31:16.760 --> 0:31:20.000 basically dictate what happened in the streets of California. To me, 0:31:20.120 --> 0:31:22.400 that bugged me out because New York is different. It's 0:31:22.400 --> 0:31:24.600 not that it's a whole different way of looking at 0:31:24.640 --> 0:31:27.360 but we go to twenty twenty four and New York 0:31:27.400 --> 0:31:29.760 got all that shit now exactly. 0:31:30.840 --> 0:31:33.960 It was crazy to see that transition because somebody like 0:31:34.080 --> 0:31:36.960 me who've been traveling in New York since eighty nine, 0:31:37.520 --> 0:31:40.200 you get me like, I didn't see none of that shit. 0:31:40.480 --> 0:31:43.000 Like we used to have that shit. We used to 0:31:43.040 --> 0:31:47.080 get on there, We used to get on the train, 0:31:47.640 --> 0:31:49.800 you know, we used to walk around. We used to 0:31:49.880 --> 0:31:52.360 go to Brooklyn, we used to walk over the bridge. 0:31:52.840 --> 0:31:56.040 And the last thing, now I knew, motherfucks was hard. 0:31:56.280 --> 0:31:59.120 You know, we didn't see it. We'ven't seen the warriors 0:31:59.160 --> 0:32:03.320 in different moves and situations. But I never had the 0:32:03.360 --> 0:32:07.760 fear of going be sweated by another cripp of blood 0:32:07.800 --> 0:32:08.320 out here. 0:32:08.520 --> 0:32:10.560 You get me like it. 0:32:10.640 --> 0:32:13.760 Was hard niggas. Like I tell that story. Everywhere we go. 0:32:14.120 --> 0:32:16.000 It was hard niggas everywhere we go. 0:32:16.120 --> 0:32:18.520 But everywhere you go there's somebody. 0:32:18.880 --> 0:32:23.400 New York didn't. They didn't express the cripping blood and 0:32:23.440 --> 0:32:26.360 ship like we did in l A. That was like 0:32:26.440 --> 0:32:27.360 our foundation. 0:32:28.000 --> 0:32:32.400 That's not our culture exactly. New York cultures graffiti and breakdancing. 0:32:32.520 --> 0:32:36.120 GRAFFEEDI breakdancing. They got their crewis and clicks, and you know, 0:32:36.480 --> 0:32:40.680 we got the warlords or the spiders or the whatever exactly. 0:32:41.600 --> 0:32:44.560 Never like nigga, we the we, the we we the 0:32:44.600 --> 0:32:48.240 spider bloods over here or we we you know, we 0:32:48.400 --> 0:32:51.480 the warriors over here. It was never that it was 0:32:51.880 --> 0:32:56.120 ship nigga. You'd be Blacks, Mexicans, whatever, it clicked up 0:32:56.120 --> 0:32:59.200 in the same ship. So I never feared or not 0:32:59.320 --> 0:33:04.600 the same feet. But we never anticipated running into any 0:33:04.760 --> 0:33:08.720 gang banging situations as far as New York was concerned. 0:33:09.240 --> 0:33:12.640 Even I go to Chicago, I'd go to tech says 0:33:13.080 --> 0:33:15.840 niggas was Like I said, niggas was hard everywhere, but 0:33:15.880 --> 0:33:19.600 they were limited places where niggas was actually cripping in blood. 0:33:19.960 --> 0:33:23.080 You get me, and that shit took over the whole country. 0:33:23.120 --> 0:33:24.840 I mean, I was in New York, like you know, 0:33:24.880 --> 0:33:26.920 I'm well friends with bou Yah. I was out there 0:33:26.960 --> 0:33:28.840 like with them. The first time they came out there, 0:33:29.560 --> 0:33:32.640 I took I took cover and them to Harlem. They 0:33:32.680 --> 0:33:34.680 wanted to go to see one hundred and twenty fifth Street, 0:33:34.920 --> 0:33:37.920 and motherfuckers was bugging on them. There's all red and 0:33:38.000 --> 0:33:40.920 the Braids and motherfuckers like yoo, motherfuckers look crazy, you know, 0:33:40.920 --> 0:33:43.000 because in New York everyone talks to each other, right, 0:33:43.080 --> 0:33:45.640 like everyone's everyone got some shit to say to you. 0:33:45.960 --> 0:33:48.400 And motherbuckers was like, oh yo, motherfuckers look cool as hell. 0:33:48.680 --> 0:33:51.280 That shit could not happen nowadays. You can't. You couldn't 0:33:51.280 --> 0:33:52.840 go do that now they know. 0:33:57.360 --> 0:34:00.000 Hey, you know, did you watch the Wu Tang movie? 0:34:00.120 --> 0:34:01.040 We did the series? 0:34:01.560 --> 0:34:04.160 Yeah? Yeah, I wrote on the third season. I worked 0:34:04.160 --> 0:34:06.600 on it, and I worked with Rizon a bunch of stuff. 0:34:06.880 --> 0:34:09.560 I had helped them work on the Dirty episodes. I 0:34:09.560 --> 0:34:11.439 wrote on a couple of them. So yeah, not only 0:34:11.440 --> 0:34:13.080 did I watch it, I worked on it. 0:34:13.120 --> 0:34:16.920 So yeah, real quick man, because old Dirty Man. I 0:34:16.960 --> 0:34:19.200 think he was one of the most unique artists of 0:34:19.200 --> 0:34:19.719 all time. 0:34:20.360 --> 0:34:23.680 I mean, he was undoubtedly I mean, he was undoubtedly 0:34:23.719 --> 0:34:28.360 one of the the you know, the craziest, most charismatic 0:34:28.480 --> 0:34:30.840 while you know, he was like he was like a 0:34:30.960 --> 0:34:33.480 dangerous Bismarcky or some shit, you know what I mean. 0:34:35.280 --> 0:34:38.279 But you know what crazy is it? Confidence? I saw 0:34:38.320 --> 0:34:41.080 this dude in New Orleans one year and it was 0:34:41.160 --> 0:34:42.879 I forget where we was at. Man, I was out 0:34:42.880 --> 0:34:47.439 there with I think DJ Bobcat and he said, any 0:34:47.520 --> 0:34:50.319 rappers out there, I'll push y'all ass right now where 0:34:50.320 --> 0:34:52.040 the rappers that and nobody stood up. 0:34:52.760 --> 0:34:56.600 Yo. I was there that year. Man, he was so crazy. 0:34:57.239 --> 0:35:00.920 That was man. We did this electra showcase and man, 0:35:01.080 --> 0:35:04.080 he tore that motherfucker down. But he came out and 0:35:04.120 --> 0:35:05.640 they had a mirror on the side of the States 0:35:05.800 --> 0:35:09.040 and just started looking at himself and talking, wrapping himself 0:35:09.040 --> 0:35:11.279 in the mirror like he was like, I can't Like 0:35:11.360 --> 0:35:14.080 Elvis Presley said, I can't even explain it. And he 0:35:14.200 --> 0:35:16.440 was like it was like there was like two thousand people, 0:35:16.440 --> 0:35:19.440 consider the people that he did a performance in the 0:35:19.480 --> 0:35:21.720 mirror for like one song for himself, Like he didn't 0:35:21.719 --> 0:35:25.799 even pay attention. He was so fucking wild. I love 0:35:25.880 --> 0:35:28.680 to do man as unique. I miss him a lot. 0:35:28.800 --> 0:35:31.239 He was you know, it was hard to see how 0:35:31.280 --> 0:35:34.399 it all went down, you know, like he was rough 0:35:34.400 --> 0:35:34.920 to watch. 0:35:35.360 --> 0:35:38.320 He was good people. I had the pleasure of fucking 0:35:38.360 --> 0:35:41.640 with Dirt a lot when I went to New York. 0:35:43.440 --> 0:35:47.840 You know, Wu Tang. For some reason, we gravitated to 0:35:47.960 --> 0:35:48.479 each other. 0:35:48.920 --> 0:35:50.480 You know, it's real, recognized real. 0:35:50.520 --> 0:35:52.800 That's why they even put you in a series ads 0:35:52.800 --> 0:35:55.680 in the series, I called him. I was watching, and 0:35:55.719 --> 0:35:58.080 I said, they got the homie eate in there. Yeah. 0:35:58.080 --> 0:36:02.080 I was real cool, especially with a with Method and Dirt, 0:36:02.360 --> 0:36:05.720 and then with Ray Kwan. I was real cool with them. 0:36:05.880 --> 0:36:07.640 And so, like I said, they flew me out to 0:36:07.719 --> 0:36:10.240 New York to be in an All Kennedy So simple video. 0:36:11.080 --> 0:36:13.200 Yeah yeah, yeah, that's right, that's right, that's right, You're 0:36:13.239 --> 0:36:14.920 in the video. It's crazy. I forgot about that. 0:36:15.760 --> 0:36:18.759 And then I did a song with Dirt with the 0:36:18.840 --> 0:36:21.960 remix for Shimmy Shimmy Me and E forty. 0:36:23.040 --> 0:36:23.279 Yeah. 0:36:24.120 --> 0:36:27.319 He was a cool cat. He was in Compton for 0:36:27.360 --> 0:36:33.600 a while to stomping around. Yeah, Dirt, Dirt was everywhere, man. 0:36:33.880 --> 0:36:38.680 Reason man, Yeah, he was could he'ling up anywhere? You 0:36:38.719 --> 0:36:42.480 never know where else up he was. He was the Wilder. 0:36:42.640 --> 0:36:44.400 He's a wild life. 0:36:45.640 --> 0:36:48.120 Homies from Compton. Man told me he was messing with 0:36:48.160 --> 0:36:50.800 his sister. He told me, he said, man, old dirt, 0:36:50.960 --> 0:36:53.480 old dirty bastard, been over her house, messing with myself. 0:36:53.800 --> 0:36:54.359 What he wanted. 0:36:55.760 --> 0:36:59.040 He was doing something. But we were stomping around the 0:36:59.080 --> 0:36:59.920 streets for men. 0:37:00.239 --> 0:37:00.439 Man. 0:37:00.800 --> 0:37:06.239 But he was just accepted by motherfuckers because motherfuckers knew 0:37:06.280 --> 0:37:10.040 how serious and passionate he was about his ship. And 0:37:10.280 --> 0:37:13.720 when he was putting the record once she became frying 0:37:13.800 --> 0:37:14.839 and cool with him ship. 0:37:15.120 --> 0:37:18.440 Oh man, he was best. I mean. I was in 0:37:18.480 --> 0:37:22.279 the Bay Area with them and we we we I 0:37:22.320 --> 0:37:25.000 knew Forty a little and we bumped into forty and them, 0:37:25.560 --> 0:37:27.520 and that's how him and Forty ended up on that 0:37:27.560 --> 0:37:30.440 record because they had the same birthday. So they started 0:37:30.480 --> 0:37:32.600 talking and they was like something came up and it 0:37:32.680 --> 0:37:34.560 was like, yo, we got the same born day. And 0:37:34.560 --> 0:37:36.759 then they started calling each other twin and that they 0:37:36.960 --> 0:37:39.320 we were like really cool with Forty because of that. 0:37:39.480 --> 0:37:42.640 It was like, that's a that's an odd pair, those two, 0:37:42.760 --> 0:37:43.359 you know what I mean? 0:37:43.480 --> 0:37:46.560 Like we was all in Oakland for something in the 0:37:46.640 --> 0:37:50.080 day they was doing, and we just all happened to 0:37:50.239 --> 0:37:54.200 end up at the same spot and we all went 0:37:54.239 --> 0:37:59.399 to Studio Tones that night, Me, forty and Dirt and 0:37:59.480 --> 0:38:02.560 that's when we came up with the remakes and they 0:38:03.920 --> 0:38:06.399 liked it so good that they flew us all back 0:38:06.440 --> 0:38:07.920 to New York to do the video. 0:38:08.040 --> 0:38:08.560 The video. 0:38:08.680 --> 0:38:10.600 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, got the video. 0:38:11.400 --> 0:38:14.040 Yeah. I was at the video shoot. Came by and 0:38:14.080 --> 0:38:17.759 all that. That's so crazy. Yeah, man, he you know, 0:38:17.800 --> 0:38:20.399 I've worked on this documentary that's on Hulu now called 0:38:20.440 --> 0:38:22.759 Tailor two Dirties. I was a producer on it with 0:38:22.880 --> 0:38:26.880 the family and and you know, like I did a lot. 0:38:26.920 --> 0:38:28.960 I do a lot of stuff for his family still, 0:38:29.000 --> 0:38:31.279 Like I helped him find checks here and there, and 0:38:32.160 --> 0:38:36.279 his wife Shaquita I suve Shia Henry. Maybe eight years ago. 0:38:36.320 --> 0:38:38.200 It was like I got all this old footage of 0:38:38.320 --> 0:38:40.680 dirty do you think we could do something with it? 0:38:40.719 --> 0:38:43.799 And from there we you know, we kicked it around 0:38:43.880 --> 0:38:47.200 for a three years with Messiah who runs the foundation, 0:38:47.320 --> 0:38:49.880 and we ended up hooking up with Sam Pollard and 0:38:49.880 --> 0:38:52.120 and Jason and we got the doc done and we 0:38:52.440 --> 0:38:54.960 made it with post films. So like from her just 0:38:55.000 --> 0:38:57.960 calling me one day with this idea, it actually all happened. 0:38:58.000 --> 0:38:59.520 I got to I gotta take my hat off there. 0:38:59.600 --> 0:39:02.960 She really, she really really was like I think I 0:39:03.000 --> 0:39:04.960 got somewhere and she did. It was super cool to 0:39:05.000 --> 0:39:07.839 see it man come together and Dirty was like, you know, 0:39:08.160 --> 0:39:12.200 I loved him. Man, It's someone was you know, like 0:39:12.239 --> 0:39:13.920 a lot of people. I always say this, we're not 0:39:14.400 --> 0:39:17.719 most people's not built for fame and fortune, right, And 0:39:17.800 --> 0:39:21.239 if you grow up in group homes and you're institutionalized, 0:39:21.280 --> 0:39:25.759 and you might have some some bipolar issues, substance abuse problems, 0:39:26.000 --> 0:39:28.880 et cetera, et cetera. You give someone everything in the 0:39:28.880 --> 0:39:31.600 whole world that they wanted, it's very hard for people 0:39:31.640 --> 0:39:34.920 to handle that. Well, most people aren't Ice Tea, you 0:39:34.960 --> 0:39:37.239 know what I mean. Like Ice could get all that 0:39:37.280 --> 0:39:39.279 and he can handle it. Most people are not that 0:39:39.400 --> 0:39:43.000 person and they lose perspective. And that's what happened to Dirty. 0:39:43.000 --> 0:39:45.279 It is very sad, but it's also like, you know, 0:39:45.640 --> 0:39:48.320 it's a classic still cautionary tale. You got to really, 0:39:48.719 --> 0:39:51.440 you know, watch what happens when you get everything you 0:39:51.480 --> 0:39:53.279 wish for, Because when you get everything you wish for, 0:39:53.360 --> 0:39:55.400 it comes with a lot of shit attached. You know. 0:39:55.520 --> 0:39:58.840 It's like and he just wasn't you know, he wasn't 0:39:59.160 --> 0:40:02.000 prepared for and it just all went the wrong way. 0:40:02.000 --> 0:40:04.319 It was very sad to see, you know. I saw 0:40:04.400 --> 0:40:07.200 him when he came out of out of prison and 0:40:07.320 --> 0:40:09.960 Dame Bash had signed him, and Dame had you know, 0:40:10.000 --> 0:40:11.680 A knew Dame back then. I still know Dame. But 0:40:11.719 --> 0:40:13.680 he was like, come, come and check out your man. 0:40:14.080 --> 0:40:17.040 And it was it was really sad, man, it was really, 0:40:17.120 --> 0:40:20.120 it was really really sad to see he was he was, 0:40:20.320 --> 0:40:23.320 It was he was spent. It was done being in prison, 0:40:23.400 --> 0:40:26.440 and and the psych ward in prison really had taken 0:40:26.560 --> 0:40:28.480 taken a toll on the brother. He wasn't the same 0:40:28.600 --> 0:40:30.640 human being. And it was sad to see, you know. 0:40:30.680 --> 0:40:32.960 And I remained friends with Risen a lot of those 0:40:32.960 --> 0:40:36.560 guys because I always stood by dirty through thick and thin. 0:40:36.680 --> 0:40:39.279 He was he was worth it and he was you know. 0:40:39.400 --> 0:40:43.080 I remember he got shot when I worked with him. 0:40:43.560 --> 0:40:46.160 He got shot in Brooklyn. He jumped to a window 0:40:46.200 --> 0:40:48.880 another time. I mean, we did this show in l A. 0:40:49.960 --> 0:40:51.480 And I want to say it was at the Plate him, 0:40:51.480 --> 0:40:53.359 but it wasn't played. It was the spot on Vine 0:40:53.440 --> 0:40:56.040 right by Capitol whatever that is, that club right there, 0:40:56.520 --> 0:41:00.720 and we did the show for it was rat Pages 0:41:00.800 --> 0:41:04.399 had like a seminar and he killed it. Was right 0:41:04.440 --> 0:41:07.120 when the record came out, right when a single came out, 0:41:07.160 --> 0:41:10.719 he just bodied it, just destroyed it. But he was 0:41:10.760 --> 0:41:13.160 performing and it was like the second or third the 0:41:13.239 --> 0:41:16.480 last song, and these dudes in the front was he 0:41:16.560 --> 0:41:20.600 had bottle and they was all hanging out. They was 0:41:20.600 --> 0:41:22.440 like in front of the crowd, and it was apparently 0:41:22.480 --> 0:41:24.680 Grape Street Crypts. We didn't know that. But he just 0:41:24.719 --> 0:41:26.359 took his bottle and he handed it to a dude 0:41:26.400 --> 0:41:28.160 he drank from the audience and gave it back to him. 0:41:28.400 --> 0:41:31.120 And so after the show, like they literally cut his 0:41:31.239 --> 0:41:34.040 sound off. He jumped off the stage and walked through 0:41:34.040 --> 0:41:36.880 the audience and was still performing. And we went outside 0:41:36.920 --> 0:41:39.800 with all these dudes and they like became our friends, 0:41:39.800 --> 0:41:41.799 and they were all these grave street cryb dudes. We 0:41:41.840 --> 0:41:44.239 didn't know at the time, We didn't know what they were, 0:41:44.280 --> 0:41:46.400 but they ended up always fucking with him when he 0:41:46.480 --> 0:41:48.719 came out here because we had met them at that show, 0:41:48.760 --> 0:41:51.440 and I was like, this motherfucker could go anywhere and 0:41:51.480 --> 0:41:54.440 meet motherfuckers and be good. It was bugged out and 0:41:54.760 --> 0:41:56.719 they was like, you know, They're not the people you 0:41:56.800 --> 0:41:59.480 expect to be old dirty Bassa fans, but they was 0:41:59.560 --> 0:42:01.680 his friends. In this fans it was bugged out like 0:42:01.719 --> 0:42:04.120 we you know, we used to come out of a lot, 0:42:04.160 --> 0:42:06.960 like I knew the dudes, the operation from the bottom 0:42:07.040 --> 0:42:08.799 dudes too, and they used to they used to rob 0:42:08.840 --> 0:42:10.920 with brand newbie in a lot. So we would come 0:42:10.920 --> 0:42:13.040 out he and meet dudes all the time. And it's 0:42:13.040 --> 0:42:15.200 funny how like people come out from New York and 0:42:15.239 --> 0:42:17.439 they'd have problems, but we would come out to New York, 0:42:17.640 --> 0:42:19.239 I mean to LA and we would always be good 0:42:19.239 --> 0:42:23.160 because we always you know, respected everyone's boundaries, where everyone's from, 0:42:23.160 --> 0:42:25.120 and you just got to know how to move wherever 0:42:25.160 --> 0:42:27.520 you go, you know, like re new this is very 0:42:27.520 --> 0:42:30.120 good at doing that. They always made friends wherever they went. 0:42:30.640 --> 0:42:34.640 I think that's one thing about l A. Man sets 0:42:34.760 --> 0:42:37.320 usually embraced cats to come out here in that cool. 0:42:38.960 --> 0:42:42.120 Makes sense. I mean, look, you could step in ship anywhere, 0:42:42.160 --> 0:42:44.160 if you if you're if you if you ain't the 0:42:44.239 --> 0:42:46.759 right size, you can step into bullshit anywhere. But you 0:42:46.760 --> 0:42:48.279 know I did this ship my whole life. I never 0:42:48.320 --> 0:42:49.240 had a problem anywhere. 0:42:49.920 --> 0:42:52.400 Yeah, And I think if you come I think what 0:42:52.440 --> 0:42:54.280 don't happen though with a lot of these young cats. 0:42:54.280 --> 0:42:56.799 You know, there'd be some dudes from the hood and 0:42:56.880 --> 0:42:59.040 they wind up on to become crips and bloods. I 0:42:59.080 --> 0:43:01.480 never understood it because I always say you can just be yourself, 0:43:01.480 --> 0:43:03.280 and they go fuck with you. Just be yourself. 0:43:04.840 --> 0:43:07.759 You at you got guys, I mean, you got guys 0:43:07.760 --> 0:43:09.400 who gotta like check in when they come here. And 0:43:09.440 --> 0:43:12.640 you know, we all know, like, look, man, I grew 0:43:12.719 --> 0:43:15.000 up with like crazy Puerto Rican motherfuckers and you know 0:43:15.040 --> 0:43:17.880 who who who to let in and who not to. 0:43:17.960 --> 0:43:19.680 You got to give dudes a heisman. You can't let 0:43:19.800 --> 0:43:22.120 dudes get in real close because you know, gangsters are 0:43:22.120 --> 0:43:23.600 gonna do gangster shit and if they could do some 0:43:23.640 --> 0:43:25.239 gangster shit, you they're gonna do gangster shit. 0:43:25.320 --> 0:43:29.120 You what I say all the time. But niggas can 0:43:29.200 --> 0:43:31.560 get close and fuck you. He gonna fuck you if 0:43:31.560 --> 0:43:34.439 he thinks YEA with it. So just got to watch 0:43:34.520 --> 0:43:36.040 your element, I see. 0:43:36.080 --> 0:43:38.160 You gotta know and if you got, if you're smart, 0:43:38.160 --> 0:43:39.320 you got the spidery scends. 0:43:39.400 --> 0:43:43.000 You know, you just know, how was it trying to 0:43:43.000 --> 0:43:44.160 mix that album? 0:43:45.040 --> 0:43:48.120 Dude? Mixing Old Dirty bast album was a nightmare because 0:43:48.840 --> 0:43:52.120 Rizza had told me. He told me this years later, Like, so, 0:43:52.280 --> 0:43:53.520 I don't know if you guys know, he had a 0:43:53.520 --> 0:43:57.120 flood in his house and he lost he lost Cuban 0:43:57.160 --> 0:44:00.719 links and he lost liquortories, the whole albums. So the 0:44:00.760 --> 0:44:03.279 blood destroyed all this equipment. So he had a two 0:44:03.320 --> 0:44:05.200 inch machine in the house, he had all his records, 0:44:05.239 --> 0:44:08.239 all this shit, so he lost everything. So he had 0:44:08.280 --> 0:44:11.240 to go and make those records while while Dirty's records 0:44:11.239 --> 0:44:13.920 waiting to get mixed, so he doesn't show up. So 0:44:14.040 --> 0:44:16.360 I got to figure out how to mix the record myself, 0:44:16.360 --> 0:44:18.560 and I, you know, I'm an engineer to an extent, 0:44:18.640 --> 0:44:20.120 Like I'm not an engineer, and I know a lot 0:44:20.120 --> 0:44:22.359 of shit, but man, you know, the way he does 0:44:22.400 --> 0:44:24.239 it is not the way a normal person does shit. 0:44:24.280 --> 0:44:26.319 He got risk of signs I ain't got. I ain't 0:44:26.320 --> 0:44:28.480 got the manual. I don't have the riz of God 0:44:28.520 --> 0:44:31.560 body manual to mix his records. So you know, it 0:44:31.640 --> 0:44:36.080 was very difficult, and most difficult to ball was was 0:44:36.280 --> 0:44:39.680 mixing Brooklyn Zoo, which True Master did, but but True 0:44:39.719 --> 0:44:42.440 Master was nowhere to be found. And so I mixed 0:44:42.440 --> 0:44:45.279 that shit three fucking times and I couldn't get it right, 0:44:45.400 --> 0:44:48.080 just ain't sound right. I could not get the motherfucker right. 0:44:48.080 --> 0:44:51.279 And the fourth time, I was like, you know what, man, 0:44:51.320 --> 0:44:52.919 I'm gonna just fucking put a kick in the snare 0:44:52.920 --> 0:44:54.759 in the shit because I can't make the drum sound good. 0:44:54.760 --> 0:44:56.719 They sound like shit. So I just took a break 0:44:56.760 --> 0:44:58.360 record and I chopped that shit up and put it 0:44:58.400 --> 0:45:01.399 in there. The only thing I did on the record, really, 0:45:01.440 --> 0:45:03.480 and I only did it because I was I was 0:45:03.719 --> 0:45:06.080 I was failing over and over again, and I was like, 0:45:06.120 --> 0:45:09.160 I gotta get this fucking record done. So it worked, 0:45:09.440 --> 0:45:11.680 and you know, it made it made it made sense. 0:45:12.120 --> 0:45:15.759 And when we went to met master the album, I 0:45:15.880 --> 0:45:18.919 told Rizza, you know, I put a kick in snare 0:45:18.960 --> 0:45:21.480 in there. He looked at me like whatever, Like he 0:45:21.520 --> 0:45:23.680 didn't it didn't make no sense. He didn't care. But 0:45:23.719 --> 0:45:25.719 when I hear that record, I still hear the kicking 0:45:25.800 --> 0:45:28.000 snare in there. It's a it's a pretty famous break record. 0:45:28.640 --> 0:45:30.360 You can hear the snare every time you hear it 0:45:30.400 --> 0:45:32.359 if you know what record it is. But it was 0:45:32.440 --> 0:45:34.759 it was hard, man. You look, they gave me. They 0:45:34.800 --> 0:45:36.920 gave me, Like the album has like eleven twelve songs, 0:45:36.960 --> 0:45:38.359 like I think it came in here was like eight 0:45:38.440 --> 0:45:41.880 songs done, vocals done, and getting him to finish the 0:45:41.920 --> 0:45:43.960 rest of the ship and mixing the ship was. He 0:45:44.040 --> 0:45:46.960 got shot, he got arrested, he got thrown out of 0:45:46.960 --> 0:45:48.840 every night club in New York. He showed up on 0:45:49.000 --> 0:45:51.640 dust a few times. Like you know, he was just 0:45:51.840 --> 0:45:55.600 fucking a wild man. So you know, we got it done, though, man, 0:45:55.640 --> 0:45:59.120 we got it done. It was you know what, like 0:45:59.320 --> 0:46:01.080 in my career, I've done a bunch of shit, but 0:46:01.160 --> 0:46:03.840 like there's that's the only time someone hand me lightning 0:46:03.920 --> 0:46:06.319 in a bottle, And there was like, you know, they 0:46:06.360 --> 0:46:08.120 gave me the football in the in the red zone. 0:46:08.120 --> 0:46:11.239 They say, Yo, score that fucking touchdown. Take that motherfucker. 0:46:11.360 --> 0:46:15.319 Get it done. Walk these dogs, because in my head, 0:46:15.360 --> 0:46:18.440 I kind of knew it might never happen again, you know, 0:46:18.600 --> 0:46:20.680 like you got to catch that moment, like be in 0:46:20.719 --> 0:46:23.800 the moment, get it. And I never had that. I 0:46:23.920 --> 0:46:26.160 never had that battery on my back before when I 0:46:26.320 --> 0:46:28.799 was as an R guy, and I managed to get 0:46:28.840 --> 0:46:32.480 it done against against you know, a lot of people 0:46:32.480 --> 0:46:34.279 told me I signed the wrong motherfucker. They were like, 0:46:34.280 --> 0:46:38.000 you sign dirty, Why ain't soign met the man. You know, 0:46:39.520 --> 0:46:42.560 I don't know man, Old Dirty basst He his presence 0:46:42.600 --> 0:46:44.200 spoke to me. And when I met him, I was like, 0:46:44.239 --> 0:46:46.560 this guy is a genius. You look. I love the 0:46:48.120 --> 0:46:54.480 I love the the biz marquise, the grand Poobahs, the 0:46:54.520 --> 0:46:59.200 snoop dogs, even the ludicris Is. I like those characters, right, 0:46:58.719 --> 0:47:03.239 the character and Old Dirty Basht was a character to me. Right, 0:47:03.320 --> 0:47:05.600 So I was like, this, this could be one of 0:47:05.640 --> 0:47:07.719 the great things I do. And I was lucky enough 0:47:07.719 --> 0:47:10.080 that I was right, and I was lucky enough this 0:47:10.120 --> 0:47:13.520 is the thing ourselves the luckiest enough that Riza trusted me. 0:47:14.040 --> 0:47:17.880 So I met Rizza and we bonded, and he trusted 0:47:17.920 --> 0:47:20.080 me to walk those dogs, because he could have took 0:47:20.080 --> 0:47:23.239 that ship anywhere, right, but he trusted me with that 0:47:23.360 --> 0:47:27.560 gem and so that's that's that's a big honor. So 0:47:27.640 --> 0:47:30.000 you can't fuck that up. When Rizza trust you with 0:47:30.239 --> 0:47:33.200 one of his his own family, his cousin, you know, 0:47:33.239 --> 0:47:34.920 you got to rise to the occasion if you know, 0:47:35.320 --> 0:47:37.239 you know, what are you worth in this world? Right? 0:47:37.320 --> 0:47:39.360 So that's one of them times when I had to 0:47:39.480 --> 0:47:40.880 I had to do what I had to do. I 0:47:40.880 --> 0:47:43.279 had to prove myself and I did you know you. 0:47:43.239 --> 0:47:45.560 Had another one too, you had km D. 0:47:46.000 --> 0:47:50.279 I did m F doomf doune. 0:47:50.280 --> 0:47:51.719 I think it's his brother dad in the car. 0:47:51.920 --> 0:47:54.440 His brother dad, right, Yes, brother got hit by a 0:47:54.440 --> 0:47:59.200 car under mysterious circumstances. And you know, we put out 0:47:59.400 --> 0:48:02.440 the second record was coming out, Black Basterds, and and 0:48:02.520 --> 0:48:04.600 like you know, he used the sambo logo that he drew, 0:48:05.200 --> 0:48:08.280 and the records called Black Bastard looked like the game Hangman. 0:48:08.440 --> 0:48:09.960 You know that game he played when you were a kid. 0:48:10.360 --> 0:48:12.040 So it was that, and it was he was hanging 0:48:12.080 --> 0:48:17.160 his the sambo stereotype and effigy, and you know Billboard 0:48:17.239 --> 0:48:20.040 saw it, a woman named Terry Rossi, and she said 0:48:20.080 --> 0:48:25.279 that it was it was basically irresponsible. And some you know, 0:48:25.360 --> 0:48:28.640 like kind of accused us of being racially insensitive for 0:48:28.719 --> 0:48:32.320 allowing him to use his artworks. So his record, the 0:48:32.760 --> 0:48:33.680 label it was in there. 0:48:33.840 --> 0:48:34.000 You know. 0:48:34.000 --> 0:48:36.040 It was like right after I S had the ship 0:48:36.080 --> 0:48:38.960 with cop Killer. So Warner Brothers was all they were 0:48:39.040 --> 0:48:42.600 nervous and they let it go. So they gave him 0:48:42.600 --> 0:48:45.080 back his masters and he disappeared for a few years, 0:48:45.120 --> 0:48:47.239 you know, and he came back as MF. Doom. His 0:48:47.400 --> 0:48:50.120 name was is Doom is Daniel Doomle, so his name 0:48:50.239 --> 0:48:52.799 was Doom. So he just became who he really was. 0:48:52.880 --> 0:48:55.960 And in a strange way, it was a blessing, right 0:48:56.080 --> 0:48:58.719 he would you know, never lose your brother, can never 0:48:58.800 --> 0:49:01.080 be a blessing. But but like all the trials and 0:49:01.120 --> 0:49:06.120 tribulations he went through made him find this this inner 0:49:06.239 --> 0:49:08.480 voice and he came back as m AT Doom, which is, 0:49:08.520 --> 0:49:10.920 you know, a totally kind of different chamber of music. 0:49:11.440 --> 0:49:15.439 But I feel like that is like a metaphor on 0:49:15.480 --> 0:49:17.840 some level for like black people in America, Like you 0:49:17.880 --> 0:49:21.640 can hand motherfucker's a bull of shit and they're gonna 0:49:21.640 --> 0:49:23.560 come back and make the greatest thing ever. You could 0:49:23.600 --> 0:49:26.799 give people the worst conditions in the world, subject people 0:49:26.840 --> 0:49:29.960 to bullshit, but watch the motherfuckers do with that right, 0:49:30.040 --> 0:49:33.120 that ingenuity and that spirit. And I always felt that 0:49:33.120 --> 0:49:35.319 in his music he was like a modern blues man 0:49:35.440 --> 0:49:37.640 or some shit he took. He got handed the worst 0:49:37.640 --> 0:49:40.440 shit in life, and he made that ship into gold. Right. 0:49:40.560 --> 0:49:40.839 You know. 0:49:42.440 --> 0:49:47.240 That hip hop, yes, hip hop shit really that mass iconic. 0:49:47.320 --> 0:49:49.960 I remember, man, somebody telling me that Doom would go 0:49:50.040 --> 0:49:52.399 do shows all over the world and have somebody being 0:49:52.440 --> 0:49:58.040 doom over he did in England, somebody in Ireland doom. 0:49:58.640 --> 0:50:00.800 Yeah. I want to see him in fil One time. 0:50:01.480 --> 0:50:03.120 I once drove up there to the show and I 0:50:03.160 --> 0:50:05.480 was on the side of the stage. Dude came up 0:50:05.520 --> 0:50:07.239 next to me. I put his arm. I looked over 0:50:07.280 --> 0:50:08.920 and it was doomed but he was on stage. His 0:50:09.000 --> 0:50:12.680 man was being him, this dude Ben. It was Ben Klingon, Like, yeah, 0:50:12.719 --> 0:50:17.080 doom was you know, man. We're working on this big, 0:50:17.480 --> 0:50:21.480 big thing about him, me and and the family, and 0:50:21.560 --> 0:50:24.120 we're gonna do. We got a lot of ship that 0:50:24.120 --> 0:50:26.719 we're trying to do that celebrates him because you know, 0:50:26.760 --> 0:50:29.240 he's one of a kind like he is. It's wild 0:50:29.239 --> 0:50:31.719 because he has become like a guy who never had 0:50:31.760 --> 0:50:35.160 a hit record, right, but he is like a folk hero, 0:50:35.400 --> 0:50:37.759 which is so wild when I think about him. A 0:50:37.760 --> 0:50:39.040 lot of mythical. 0:50:38.920 --> 0:50:41.080 Yeah, yeah, a lot of people fucked with M F. 0:50:41.200 --> 0:50:44.200 Doom that I didn't even know about. I would see 0:50:44.239 --> 0:50:47.600 people and they'd be like, man with the mask and 0:50:47.640 --> 0:50:50.280 all that shit. He was like he he was, like, 0:50:50.280 --> 0:50:52.280 like you said, a folk hero to a lot of people. 0:50:52.960 --> 0:50:57.200 Know he's he's like the centerpiece for like the whole 0:50:57.239 --> 0:51:00.600 Earl world, Tyler and them. They love him. He's like God, 0:51:00.760 --> 0:51:02.439 like to the mythical it's bugged out. 0:51:03.880 --> 0:51:05.239 Yeah, you know who put me up on the m 0:51:05.280 --> 0:51:09.759 F done My oldest son. I heard that gazillion here 0:51:09.800 --> 0:51:11.239 and I was like, who is this? You listened to? 0:51:11.239 --> 0:51:11.279 This? 0:51:11.320 --> 0:51:14.200 Shit is ill? He said, m F doone m F 0:51:14.280 --> 0:51:15.200 Doune was incredible. 0:51:16.120 --> 0:51:19.279 He's crazy, said that because like all my arm all 0:51:19.280 --> 0:51:22.080 the youngsters around me, like my family and shit, Like, 0:51:22.560 --> 0:51:25.080 you know, my nephew like his favorite rapper is Doom. 0:51:25.360 --> 0:51:27.080 He's like twenty years old. I was like, how the 0:51:27.080 --> 0:51:29.000 fuck is that your favorite rapper? He's supposed to like 0:51:29.040 --> 0:51:31.560 Travis Scott or some shit, but he just loves Doom. 0:51:31.640 --> 0:51:34.200 And he's always asked me about Doom. Shit. So you know, 0:51:34.200 --> 0:51:37.320 if we if if everything lines up in the next 0:51:37.520 --> 0:51:39.799 you know, we're trying to do this this doc and 0:51:39.880 --> 0:51:42.760 all this shit with the families. You know, we're knee 0:51:42.760 --> 0:51:45.600 deep in trying to figure it out. So his story 0:51:45.640 --> 0:51:48.399 will be told in another way, a very creative way. 0:51:48.760 --> 0:51:52.120 Everything comes together. Doom was one of a time man. 0:51:52.160 --> 0:51:54.920 You know, that's a unique individual. And I always tell 0:51:54.960 --> 0:51:57.000 people I worked with KM d I don't work with Doom, 0:51:57.200 --> 0:51:59.200 but Doom was my really good friend. You know. He 0:51:59.280 --> 0:52:02.000 was like my brother for life. And he's just a 0:52:02.160 --> 0:52:05.520 unique individual, Like he's a wild boy man. He was 0:52:05.560 --> 0:52:07.840 the funniest like and there's no one like him, you know. 0:52:07.920 --> 0:52:10.239 And in this rap thing, like I always say, like, 0:52:11.480 --> 0:52:15.520 I'm so lucky to be allowed to be part of it, 0:52:15.560 --> 0:52:19.120 to contribute a little bit to it, to be accepted, 0:52:19.560 --> 0:52:23.120 to have made friends who are like family to me, 0:52:23.520 --> 0:52:27.520 whether it's large Professor or it's mugs in them or 0:52:27.560 --> 0:52:29.520 whoever the fuck it is in this world that, like 0:52:29.920 --> 0:52:32.359 you know, I get to really be part of it. 0:52:32.440 --> 0:52:35.520 To have spent all those days with Bismarcky looking for 0:52:35.600 --> 0:52:39.200 records and pro keads and traveling, buying shit with him 0:52:39.200 --> 0:52:41.960 and shit like that, running around the world with people 0:52:42.040 --> 0:52:44.759 like that is the greatest honor of all of it. 0:52:44.920 --> 0:52:47.480 Like I never had a real job, I never really 0:52:47.560 --> 0:52:49.400 had to stress too much for money, Like you know, 0:52:49.440 --> 0:52:52.759 I'm fucking blessed. This thing is to me, like hip 0:52:52.800 --> 0:52:56.680 hop the most important subculture of my lifetime. And without it, 0:52:57.000 --> 0:52:58.600 I don't know what the fuck I would have done, 0:52:59.280 --> 0:53:01.560 And my life would have been so much it would 0:53:01.560 --> 0:53:05.160 have been boring bro life and you be doing it. 0:53:05.400 --> 0:53:07.440 Some of the greatest artists in hip hot would never 0:53:07.600 --> 0:53:09.120 probably came into existence. 0:53:10.000 --> 0:53:12.520 No, I can't say that. I can't say that. I 0:53:12.520 --> 0:53:16.319 don't say that because I say to me, so, I 0:53:16.440 --> 0:53:18.239 was just lucky enough that, like, I don't know how 0:53:18.280 --> 0:53:20.480 you guys feel about God, but I believe in God 0:53:20.600 --> 0:53:23.879 very abstract. I believe in something bigger, you know. I'm 0:53:23.880 --> 0:53:25.759 not like a Jesus dode with God, like I'm on 0:53:25.840 --> 0:53:29.920 some universal unconsciousness, right. So, but I was lucky enough 0:53:29.960 --> 0:53:32.560 that what I call God put me in a position 0:53:32.920 --> 0:53:35.440 to open the door for people. But I just was 0:53:35.560 --> 0:53:39.640 that lucky motherfucker who's antenna was turned tuned in, turned on, right. 0:53:39.719 --> 0:53:42.520 So I just was very blessed to be allowed to 0:53:42.640 --> 0:53:45.400 help some great people come to life. But I believe 0:53:45.440 --> 0:53:47.520 that those people would have found a way anyway because 0:53:47.560 --> 0:53:49.920 they had the talent. I was just lucky enough to 0:53:49.920 --> 0:53:51.799 be able to open the door for him. And that's 0:53:51.800 --> 0:53:53.239 an honor, man, That's an honor to me. 0:53:53.560 --> 0:53:55.400 Now I want to ask you about I want to 0:53:55.440 --> 0:53:59.000 ask you about three, two groups and one person. Okay, 0:53:59.440 --> 0:54:01.120 why did you Digital Underground? 0:54:02.520 --> 0:54:05.000 So Digital Underground a guy named Ed Strickland I worked with. 0:54:05.040 --> 0:54:08.319 He was a promo guy. He was traveling and he 0:54:08.360 --> 0:54:11.880 came back from the Bay and he had Underwater Rhymes. 0:54:12.560 --> 0:54:14.880 He had that record and we listened to it and 0:54:14.920 --> 0:54:18.080 we liked it a lot, and then Adrian Gregory, who 0:54:18.160 --> 0:54:22.200 managed them, sent him the tape that had had do 0:54:22.280 --> 0:54:25.520 what You Like on him before it came out, because 0:54:25.560 --> 0:54:29.160 they were putting records themselves out on tnc Records to Macola, 0:54:30.280 --> 0:54:32.680 so they were putting they have put out Underwater Rhymes. 0:54:32.880 --> 0:54:35.640 So they pressed up do what you Like and sent 0:54:35.719 --> 0:54:37.680 us that. We was talking to him, and then I 0:54:37.760 --> 0:54:40.680 had the record and we played it in the office 0:54:41.120 --> 0:54:43.839 and day La Soul was there and they were like 0:54:44.360 --> 0:54:47.880 Pasta News was like you better sign those motherfuckers, and 0:54:47.920 --> 0:54:49.719 we all were like, yeah, we need to get the 0:54:49.760 --> 0:54:52.200 deal done, and we signed them. So my hat's off 0:54:52.200 --> 0:54:54.920 to Daylight kind of pushed that one over the top. 0:54:55.080 --> 0:54:56.239 And that was it. 0:54:56.360 --> 0:54:59.000 Man. We met Hump and and all that, and unfortunately 0:54:59.080 --> 0:55:01.560 I left before the album came out because I wasn't 0:55:01.560 --> 0:55:04.200 making no money working at Tommy Boy. And someone actually 0:55:04.239 --> 0:55:05.560 was like, we're gonna give you a real job and 0:55:05.640 --> 0:55:07.360 give you a real check and you don't have to 0:55:07.400 --> 0:55:09.879 live in a shoebox apartment no more and sell wheat 0:55:09.960 --> 0:55:12.279 on the side. So I got to stop hustling and 0:55:12.440 --> 0:55:14.880 had a real job, thank god. But yeah, dude, you 0:55:14.880 --> 0:55:18.960 know digital Underground and Shock was like, like Shock, he's 0:55:19.000 --> 0:55:21.960 one of them dudes. Man, he was like a genius, 0:55:22.239 --> 0:55:24.560 like I can't explain it, Like he could sit down 0:55:24.640 --> 0:55:27.520 at the piano and play some real shit like he 0:55:27.600 --> 0:55:30.400 was a boy. He's a genius. Motherfucker. He did all 0:55:30.440 --> 0:55:33.319 the artwork. He would send the drawings in like he 0:55:33.360 --> 0:55:37.120 was a genius. Like I never yo, He's like, look, man, 0:55:37.200 --> 0:55:39.400 drugs suck, you know what I mean? Like you know, 0:55:39.840 --> 0:55:42.400 and and he you know, he had problems with with 0:55:42.480 --> 0:55:45.000 things later in life. But man, that dude was light 0:55:45.080 --> 0:55:48.000 years ahead of motherfuckers. And he did everything. He played everything, 0:55:48.239 --> 0:55:53.080 produce everything. He was so motherfucking talented and so fucking cool. 0:55:53.440 --> 0:55:54.400 He was the coolest. 0:55:55.239 --> 0:55:58.480 Well Shock, so you lay it right into him daylor Soul. 0:55:58.560 --> 0:56:00.200 Do you remember how you met them? 0:56:00.600 --> 0:56:02.960 Yeah, So they were getting signed already and I got 0:56:03.080 --> 0:56:06.279 interviewed with the job I had been. I mean, I'm 0:56:06.360 --> 0:56:08.600 I'm old, so but I was there being rockins Road 0:56:08.600 --> 0:56:10.640 manager right. So when I was a kid, because I 0:56:10.640 --> 0:56:12.759 worked for Rush Productions, I worked for Russell lee Or 0:56:13.239 --> 0:56:17.000 and I was a crazy kid. You know. I went 0:56:17.040 --> 0:56:19.120 on the road with the Beastie Boys and and when 0:56:19.120 --> 0:56:20.880 I was a kid and my friend Sean was a 0:56:21.000 --> 0:56:23.000 road manager. He was like, here's how you here's how 0:56:23.040 --> 0:56:25.319 you be a romantic basically his slave. He was like, 0:56:25.360 --> 0:56:27.560 you're going to just be my fucking slave every day. 0:56:27.600 --> 0:56:28.799 You're can do all the shit I don't want to do. 0:56:29.040 --> 0:56:30.560 So I learned how to kind of road manager. I 0:56:30.600 --> 0:56:34.600 became their road manager and rap music and you you, 0:56:34.800 --> 0:56:36.719 I'm sure you know the state It wasn't like it 0:56:36.760 --> 0:56:39.839 was small man, small community right in la probably even 0:56:39.880 --> 0:56:42.520 smaller than New York. You know, it was just just 0:56:42.520 --> 0:56:44.279 a hand. It was like because in la I think 0:56:44.280 --> 0:56:46.440 in la Is it was like it all comes from 0:56:46.480 --> 0:56:48.759 Uncle Jam's army, right, right. 0:56:48.719 --> 0:56:52.920 That's what records came through. Yeah, right exactly. 0:56:52.960 --> 0:56:54.719 And it was small, man. It was like it was 0:56:54.800 --> 0:56:57.560 Ice and them, dudes, and you know, there was just 0:56:57.600 --> 0:57:00.279 a small group of people, Dre and them. It was 0:57:00.320 --> 0:57:03.480 small Julio g it was Tony and them. So, you know, 0:57:03.520 --> 0:57:05.960 New York was was a little bigger but it's still small. 0:57:06.080 --> 0:57:10.359 So I knew everybody. So Daddy Oh from Stetsusnic. They 0:57:10.360 --> 0:57:12.040 had offered him an A and R job, but he 0:57:12.040 --> 0:57:14.319 could he didn't want it because he's he's doing the ship. 0:57:14.360 --> 0:57:15.520 But I had been on the road with him. He 0:57:15.600 --> 0:57:19.120 was my boy. Damn here, damn hear him. He was 0:57:19.200 --> 0:57:20.520 damn here trying to get me to be like a 0:57:20.520 --> 0:57:22.280 five percent. I swear to God, I can't make this 0:57:22.320 --> 0:57:25.480 ship up, you know, like the whole ship, like the teacher, 0:57:25.680 --> 0:57:27.680 you know, I know, the supreme alphabet, the whole ship. 0:57:28.040 --> 0:57:31.840 So so he told them they should hire me, and 0:57:31.880 --> 0:57:33.680 I went for the job. And they played me a 0:57:33.800 --> 0:57:36.200 tape and it was Dayla or Soul and it was 0:57:36.240 --> 0:57:38.840 plugged tuning and I lost my mind. I said, this 0:57:38.920 --> 0:57:41.480 is the greatest thing I ever heard. I was like, 0:57:41.760 --> 0:57:44.400 this ship is the I was like, I loved ultra magnetic. 0:57:44.440 --> 0:57:47.080 I was like, this is beyond ultra magnetic. This is 0:57:47.120 --> 0:57:51.160 like even further out there. And they said, oh, we're 0:57:51.160 --> 0:57:54.680 gonna sign this. So they called me a couple of 0:57:54.680 --> 0:57:57.600 weeks later, right before Christmas. I'll never forget, it was 0:57:57.640 --> 0:58:00.280 snowing out. I went to the office and they Monica 0:58:00.360 --> 0:58:03.080 Lynch was like, so you got the job, and you 0:58:03.120 --> 0:58:04.880 know that group that you really like. I was like, yeah, 0:58:04.920 --> 0:58:07.120 Prince pauls Hoopers. I knew Prince Paul. She was like. 0:58:07.320 --> 0:58:08.640 I was like yeah, She's like, that's gonna be your 0:58:08.640 --> 0:58:11.000 first group. So I ended up working with them and 0:58:11.600 --> 0:58:13.440 really basically spent a whole year in my life with 0:58:13.520 --> 0:58:16.480 them traveling. I would road manager and we go all 0:58:16.480 --> 0:58:18.640 over the country. I took them to La the first 0:58:18.920 --> 0:58:21.280 eight eight you'll appreciate this. I took them to play 0:58:21.280 --> 0:58:24.680 at World on wheels. We played that World on wheels 0:58:25.000 --> 0:58:27.120 and we had never seen no shit like that before. 0:58:27.160 --> 0:58:29.520 So I knew I'd been to LA. I knew more 0:58:29.520 --> 0:58:31.800 about it than them. But we played that World on 0:58:31.840 --> 0:58:33.960 wheels and that shit was cripped out like a motherfucker. 0:58:34.560 --> 0:58:37.200 We had. We never seen no shit like that before, 0:58:37.280 --> 0:58:38.880 like I had. I was like, Yo, this shit is 0:58:38.920 --> 0:58:41.560 fucking crazy. And we were bugging because everyone's wearing like 0:58:41.640 --> 0:58:45.800 Yankee shit and Georgetown shit, and I was like cowboys shit. 0:58:46.280 --> 0:58:49.720 And then we seen do Yeah, we seen dudes crip 0:58:49.800 --> 0:58:53.720 walk and iced. He hosted the events for kDa and 0:58:54.880 --> 0:58:57.240 seventy three. That's where I met Mugs that's the damn me. 0:58:57.600 --> 0:59:00.360 No I knew mugs I've met ever last that day 0:59:00.840 --> 0:59:04.520 he was with the Rom Syndicate and and we we 0:59:04.600 --> 0:59:06.680 knew Ice, but I knew Ice, but we got cool 0:59:06.680 --> 0:59:09.680 with Ice because in the club there was a big 0:59:09.720 --> 0:59:12.560 ass fight and then dudes went at it and they 0:59:12.600 --> 0:59:14.360 got everyone out the club. You know, they locked us 0:59:14.400 --> 0:59:17.360 in the club. They locked us in and dudes are 0:59:17.360 --> 0:59:20.040 shooting in the parking lot and we're like, and you know, 0:59:20.080 --> 0:59:22.320 we're Dayla soul man. There was striped shirts and we 0:59:22.400 --> 0:59:25.480 got flat tops and Aaron Max's we not we don't 0:59:25.480 --> 0:59:28.120 know about that ship. That's not us. You know, no 0:59:28.160 --> 0:59:31.520 one's a sucker, but we don't know that ship. And man, 0:59:31.800 --> 0:59:34.520 just running around the country with daylight was that was 0:59:34.760 --> 0:59:36.840 so much fun. And and then I came back a 0:59:36.840 --> 0:59:39.600 few months later with Latifa and we played at at 0:59:39.760 --> 0:59:42.960 at World on wheels and at Skateland. So I went 0:59:43.000 --> 0:59:48.120 to both of those motherfuckers. And Skateland was wild. Skate 0:59:48.240 --> 0:59:51.040 Land was Skateland was way scarier than me. It smelled 0:59:51.040 --> 0:59:53.320 like dust. We walked in and the bou Yad dude. 0:59:53.360 --> 0:59:55.520 That's why I met bou Ya because bou Yah dudes 0:59:55.560 --> 0:59:59.120 were doing security, so they yeah, the dude from bou 0:59:59.200 --> 1:00:02.800 yall Rid Gangster D was like, hey man, I rapped, 1:00:02.800 --> 1:00:04.720 I'm gonna get you to give me your number and 1:00:04.720 --> 1:00:06.840 and then I talked to Gangster D on the phone 1:00:07.120 --> 1:00:10.400 is ship So like, you know, daylave Man like people 1:00:10.400 --> 1:00:12.800 forget like eighty seven, they were out and they their 1:00:12.840 --> 1:00:15.440 record was big on KD was big in l A. 1:00:15.920 --> 1:00:23.360 So you know what Daylight was like, I met them LA. Yeah, 1:00:24.400 --> 1:00:27.760 they like New York didn't have all rap station. KD 1:00:27.960 --> 1:00:31.480 was the first all rap station in America, the first one, right, 1:00:31.520 --> 1:00:33.320 So we used to fuck with Greg Greg Mack and 1:00:33.360 --> 1:00:36.680 his scandalous as and Roger Clayton because Roger used to 1:00:36.680 --> 1:00:38.640 be in New York. People don't notice that the l 1:00:38.680 --> 1:00:40.760 A possibly moved to New York for a while when 1:00:40.800 --> 1:00:45.400 it was all all that Bobcat And that's why I 1:00:45.440 --> 1:00:48.040 met Pooh. So I met Pooh back then because Pooh 1:00:48.120 --> 1:00:50.280 was the youngest one. So me and Pool used to 1:00:50.280 --> 1:00:52.520 hang out and smoke weed like because they were always 1:00:52.840 --> 1:00:54.560 who was like, they were always kind of son and 1:00:54.640 --> 1:00:57.200 Pool like take this their do this, do that? Right? 1:00:57.280 --> 1:01:01.240 So I knew all them dudes. And back to Daylight, 1:01:01.440 --> 1:01:05.320 Like Daylight was just when I met them, they were 1:01:05.360 --> 1:01:07.840 like it was like looking at myself, and we had 1:01:07.880 --> 1:01:10.880 the same likes. We like all the same shit. We 1:01:10.920 --> 1:01:14.320 all wore funny ass shit. You know, we were fucking 1:01:14.440 --> 1:01:16.480 funny mother. You know we were funny like we was 1:01:16.760 --> 1:01:21.160 because at that time rap change, everyone was so hard, right, 1:01:21.680 --> 1:01:23.880 but this new thing came out and it was like 1:01:23.880 --> 1:01:26.280 we was having fun, like and it was bitches around. 1:01:26.360 --> 1:01:28.720 It was like it was another thing. So you know, 1:01:28.800 --> 1:01:32.080 we was in it all that like step fashion and shit. 1:01:32.200 --> 1:01:33.960 So when I met them, it was like meeting my 1:01:34.040 --> 1:01:36.080 kindred spirits. Like I was like, oh, I known you 1:01:36.160 --> 1:01:39.240 my whole life. So we just man, we ran around 1:01:39.240 --> 1:01:39.720 the whole world. 1:01:39.800 --> 1:01:39.920 Man. 1:01:39.920 --> 1:01:41.600 We went to England the first time they went. We 1:01:41.600 --> 1:01:43.400 did all this wild shit. It was super fun and 1:01:43.960 --> 1:01:45.760 to this day, like those are my brothers. Like I 1:01:45.800 --> 1:01:48.560 speak to Post all the time. You know, Like when 1:01:48.640 --> 1:01:51.080 day passed, I was like, really, you know, that took 1:01:51.080 --> 1:01:53.040 a lot out of us. But you know, when he passed, 1:01:53.360 --> 1:01:55.040 I went to New York. I spoke the past and 1:01:55.040 --> 1:01:57.440 He's like, come to the shit, stop bullshit. So I 1:01:57.440 --> 1:01:59.160 got a ticket, Like the last second I went to 1:01:59.200 --> 1:02:01.480 New York and I was there when when they had 1:02:01.520 --> 1:02:03.800 the big thing at Webster Hall with Dave Chappelle and 1:02:03.840 --> 1:02:06.280 all that. Like I was on stage, like you know, 1:02:06.320 --> 1:02:08.800 I was with Latifa, I'm with Loa because Dana's like 1:02:08.840 --> 1:02:12.120 my sister, and I'm there and we're common. And I 1:02:12.160 --> 1:02:13.880 got to tell you, man that she was like a 1:02:13.920 --> 1:02:16.720 spiritual experience. Man. I was like, you know, I didn't 1:02:16.720 --> 1:02:18.520 go to high school. I barely went to high school. 1:02:18.520 --> 1:02:20.640 I didn't go to college, but I went to hip hop. 1:02:20.720 --> 1:02:23.320 That's my college, right. So and that was like my 1:02:23.400 --> 1:02:26.520 college reunion. I was there with my people, with pas 1:02:26.640 --> 1:02:30.120 and and you know, everyone was there and Mace and man, 1:02:30.160 --> 1:02:32.760 that shit was great. And and you know, look the 1:02:32.800 --> 1:02:35.120 people you meet when you're a young man, you're becoming 1:02:35.120 --> 1:02:38.200 a man. Those people are very important your whole life, 1:02:38.320 --> 1:02:41.280 right because you have gone you have you know, you 1:02:41.360 --> 1:02:44.120 watch people have children, You watch people get married, you 1:02:44.160 --> 1:02:46.280 might some get divorce. You watch people go from being 1:02:46.640 --> 1:02:48.920 young men to be to be men. And that to 1:02:49.000 --> 1:02:51.680 me is like those bonds we make them, they never 1:02:51.720 --> 1:02:54.120 go away. So me and me and day lives like 1:02:54.240 --> 1:02:57.200 you know to this day, were like, you know, always connected. 1:02:57.240 --> 1:02:59.000 I go to Miami. I'm gonna go see pass. You know. 1:02:59.000 --> 1:03:02.880 That's how it is, you know. And those dudes musically 1:03:03.880 --> 1:03:06.520 like they change everything, Like you know, look, there's people 1:03:06.520 --> 1:03:11.880 who change everything. NWA changed everything, right, Dayla Soul changed everything. 1:03:12.120 --> 1:03:15.520 There's before run DMC changed everything. There's before and after. 1:03:15.920 --> 1:03:18.160 Motherfuckers come out and they do this, and then there's 1:03:18.160 --> 1:03:20.360 what happens afterwards. So they're one of those groups that 1:03:20.560 --> 1:03:24.080 changed everything. And I'm lucky and that Wu Tang change everything, 1:03:24.120 --> 1:03:27.400 you know, I'm lucky enough to have been around that shit, 1:03:27.520 --> 1:03:30.480 you know. And you know, my Pops is like a 1:03:30.600 --> 1:03:33.480 very smart cat. He hung out with all these jazz musicians, like, 1:03:34.400 --> 1:03:39.320 but he he always knew, like he always could spot greatness, right, 1:03:39.440 --> 1:03:42.560 So I'm lucky enough that I could see sometimes. And 1:03:42.600 --> 1:03:45.080 it's not only the music, it's the culture around it. 1:03:45.440 --> 1:03:47.600 You can see the greatness if you're lucky, right, And 1:03:47.680 --> 1:03:49.439 Daylight was one of the things that was a moment 1:03:49.520 --> 1:03:53.400 in time when you felt like, man. 1:03:53.360 --> 1:03:53.520 Like. 1:03:57.440 --> 1:04:01.640 Eight did you ever go to Latin Quarters? So the 1:04:01.720 --> 1:04:04.080 Latin Quarters to me was like I was like, every 1:04:04.120 --> 1:04:06.640 single one of these fucking groups gonna be famous probably, 1:04:06.640 --> 1:04:09.800 like how World on Wheels was all that everything, like 1:04:09.840 --> 1:04:12.440 every one of these motherfucker's gonna be famous, right. It 1:04:12.560 --> 1:04:14.000 was just like it was in the It was in 1:04:14.040 --> 1:04:16.560 the air. I can't explain it other than that it 1:04:16.640 --> 1:04:17.160 was crazy. 1:04:17.840 --> 1:04:20.280 No, for the last group I want to ask you 1:04:20.360 --> 1:04:22.480 was a two fold question, Leaders of the New School. 1:04:23.040 --> 1:04:25.800 Oh that's okay. So Leaves of New School is like 1:04:25.800 --> 1:04:27.800 the best and worst group I worked with of all 1:04:27.880 --> 1:04:30.520 time because they were like r they kicked him out, 1:04:30.520 --> 1:04:32.960 didn't they They didn't really kick him out. They kind 1:04:32.960 --> 1:04:34.960 of just ruined it all like so, so it was 1:04:35.000 --> 1:04:38.960 like they never got along too good. But there was 1:04:38.960 --> 1:04:42.760 always like tension between Brown and Buster. It was always beat, 1:04:43.160 --> 1:04:47.680 always little shit going on, and it was jealousy because 1:04:47.680 --> 1:04:50.200 Buster was a star. We've seen it. He was like 1:04:50.520 --> 1:04:53.640 his motherfucker is a star, and Charlie Brown was dope. 1:04:53.720 --> 1:04:54.720 Don't get it fucked up. 1:04:56.520 --> 1:04:57.840 Yeah, you know, he wasn't. 1:04:58.040 --> 1:05:00.200 Enough Buster rhymes though, you know there's only one to. 1:05:00.240 --> 1:05:05.000 Him, showman. He wasn't the show that Buster was. Knew 1:05:05.520 --> 1:05:08.960 he had the showmanship. You give me everybody else is 1:05:09.080 --> 1:05:12.600 in the group. You give me right right lyrics, We 1:05:12.720 --> 1:05:16.800 got lyrics. But you you know, when there's this that 1:05:16.960 --> 1:05:19.520 Nigga's gonna be superstar, you get me. 1:05:19.640 --> 1:05:24.120 I mean he he had that Jamaican dance all ship, 1:05:24.360 --> 1:05:27.120 you know what I mean? Like you know, like like 1:05:27.160 --> 1:05:29.000 in New York, we have a lot of Jamaican culture. 1:05:29.080 --> 1:05:30.880 I grew up. I lived in Brooklyn, went to the 1:05:30.920 --> 1:05:34.680 high school Brooklyn. So Jamaican people is if you ever 1:05:34.720 --> 1:05:37.240 go to Jamaica and if you ever peep any dancel ship, 1:05:37.360 --> 1:05:40.439 no slouches make it because it's so It's the third 1:05:40.480 --> 1:05:43.160 world in Jamaica. My book is is poverty is real. 1:05:43.640 --> 1:05:46.080 So if you made records at Jamaica, you dope at fuck. 1:05:46.520 --> 1:05:49.520 Buster has that thing in him, like he's super competitive 1:05:49.520 --> 1:05:52.360 and super dope because it means everything to him. His 1:05:52.440 --> 1:05:55.400 work ethic is crazy. So you know, there was jealousy 1:05:55.440 --> 1:05:59.120 and it was mounting. And as we got to the 1:05:59.160 --> 1:06:02.200 second record, like I always say, scenario is the greatest 1:06:02.200 --> 1:06:03.960 thing to have the leaders in new school. It's the 1:06:04.000 --> 1:06:06.480 worst thing to have no leaders in new school. Because 1:06:06.840 --> 1:06:11.240 Buster rhymes qut doing the crazy al Right, he was like, 1:06:11.600 --> 1:06:14.440 I'm gonna make this whole record. This one part is 1:06:14.480 --> 1:06:18.400 a showcase for him, Like watch this and it passes him. 1:06:18.440 --> 1:06:23.320 The rock exactly drops the drums, and then Buster has 1:06:23.360 --> 1:06:26.400 the you know, he's just no drums and he's just 1:06:26.480 --> 1:06:28.520 as I come, you know, as I rewind, Like the 1:06:28.560 --> 1:06:33.640 shit is just crazy. So after that, everyone's tapping on 1:06:33.720 --> 1:06:35.880 Buster's shoulder, do this feature, to do this feature, puffs 1:06:35.880 --> 1:06:39.040 in his ear, fucking everyone's trying to fucking him big 1:06:39.080 --> 1:06:42.040 as hollering at him. He's a you know, tribe is 1:06:42.120 --> 1:06:44.640 with him all the time. He's like he is starting 1:06:44.680 --> 1:06:47.840 to really shine, and shit gets really hectic. And with 1:06:47.880 --> 1:06:50.480 that second record time, if you ever listen to it, 1:06:50.800 --> 1:06:53.840 they're all trying to out wrap each other. No one's 1:06:53.840 --> 1:06:55.840 giving each other. It's not a group no more. It's 1:06:55.880 --> 1:06:58.480 all like look at me, look at me. It's not cohesive. 1:06:58.880 --> 1:07:01.480 And they made the record the first time and it 1:07:01.560 --> 1:07:04.440 was yo. It was whack yo. They delivered it the 1:07:04.480 --> 1:07:06.680 first time, and Chris Lighty rests in peace. He was 1:07:06.720 --> 1:07:09.000 their manager. He was like my really good friend and 1:07:09.120 --> 1:07:11.160 me I was like, Chris, what's up with this record? 1:07:11.240 --> 1:07:12.520 He was like, the shit's whack. I was like, the 1:07:12.560 --> 1:07:15.520 shit's whag. So we sent him back. We sent him 1:07:15.560 --> 1:07:17.959 back to do a whole record again, and it got better, 1:07:18.000 --> 1:07:20.600 but not a whole lot better, and I had wanted 1:07:20.680 --> 1:07:23.120 Q Tip to go do the whole redo, the whole record, 1:07:23.280 --> 1:07:25.680 and was so bugged out. All of them said no, 1:07:25.760 --> 1:07:27.840 but Buster took him to side. He said, Yo, I 1:07:27.960 --> 1:07:30.880 like that idea's and I was like, this guy's smarter 1:07:30.920 --> 1:07:33.600 than everyone else. So record came out and it didn't 1:07:33.600 --> 1:07:36.640 do too good, got bad reviews, and I knew they're 1:07:36.640 --> 1:07:39.000 gonna break up. And the whole time me and Chris 1:07:39.120 --> 1:07:40.720 was like, Buster, we got you on the solo, We 1:07:40.760 --> 1:07:42.680 got you on the solo, We got you, we got you, 1:07:43.000 --> 1:07:44.600 And it took him. He didn't want to do it. 1:07:44.680 --> 1:07:47.000 He did not want to do it because he was 1:07:47.040 --> 1:07:50.360 a little scared. He was only nineteen and he had 1:07:50.360 --> 1:07:52.240 been in the group, and he felt like he didn't 1:07:52.240 --> 1:07:54.720 want to be disloyal. He felt like that was you know, 1:07:54.920 --> 1:07:56.960 this is my click and I'm gonna I'm gonna write 1:07:56.960 --> 1:07:59.560 out with my people and that's what I signed on for. 1:07:59.840 --> 1:08:02.040 And then when, but when Charlie pulled that shit on 1:08:02.040 --> 1:08:05.120 the O MTV raps, when he basically was like broke 1:08:05.200 --> 1:08:10.240 the band up on TV, you know, Buster was so man. 1:08:10.440 --> 1:08:13.800 You ever seen someone get so mad they cry like 1:08:13.880 --> 1:08:16.960 they so mad they cried like they they're not They're 1:08:17.000 --> 1:08:19.479 not hurt like that, they're not sad. They're so angry. 1:08:19.479 --> 1:08:22.000 They crackers. Some want to kill somebody. That's how Buster was. 1:08:22.360 --> 1:08:25.120 And me and him just we hung out the whole 1:08:25.520 --> 1:08:29.360 the whole day, like and I was like, come on, man, 1:08:29.400 --> 1:08:30.880 you know what it is like, you know, you're ready, 1:08:30.880 --> 1:08:32.760 and he was like, you know, he's like I think 1:08:32.760 --> 1:08:34.439 I'm ready, And he came back and said he was ready, 1:08:34.479 --> 1:08:36.400 and then Bomb we just went and did the Bust 1:08:36.400 --> 1:08:38.680 of Rhymes show and that was that, you know, and like, 1:08:38.720 --> 1:08:41.839 I don't regret it at all. Look, those guys leaders 1:08:41.840 --> 1:08:45.040 had talent, you know, but but Busterer Rohns was probably 1:08:45.040 --> 1:08:47.400 always should have been a solo artist. He's that dope. 1:08:47.920 --> 1:08:49.920 And and you know the proof is in the pudding. 1:08:49.960 --> 1:08:52.720 He's still here, still relevant. Well how many years later, 1:08:52.800 --> 1:08:55.280 right thirty five years later, it's like it's like Brand 1:08:55.320 --> 1:08:58.640 Nubian too. They had split up and everyone told me, 1:08:58.680 --> 1:09:01.840 don't make them. They ain't not ship without Grand poo Ba. 1:09:02.960 --> 1:09:04.920 But then they put up Punch Jump Up, and I 1:09:05.320 --> 1:09:07.519 believe that they had it. I didn't feel like the 1:09:07.600 --> 1:09:09.880 leaders without Buster had it the way that Brand Newbian 1:09:09.920 --> 1:09:12.120 did I can't say it a thing the other way. 1:09:11.880 --> 1:09:14.880 They had they had some they had some cuts that 1:09:14.960 --> 1:09:19.600 were sustainable. Like you said, they were able to you know, 1:09:20.240 --> 1:09:23.120 don't let it go to your head and yeah, punks 1:09:23.160 --> 1:09:26.519 jump up g beat that they had songs, so yeah, 1:09:26.960 --> 1:09:29.720 able to sustain without grand Pool. But now I like 1:09:29.800 --> 1:09:30.840 the grand Poopa too. 1:09:31.640 --> 1:09:32.479 I love it. 1:09:32.560 --> 1:09:34.680 He was he was nasty, he was you know, there 1:09:34.720 --> 1:09:36.720 was like I would say this, like for one year, 1:09:36.840 --> 1:09:38.599 Like there's a lot of dudes who was like top 1:09:38.680 --> 1:09:41.240 dog for a year. For like one year, grand Poopa 1:09:41.400 --> 1:09:43.600 was the top dog in New York. But you know, 1:09:44.200 --> 1:09:46.080 you got to do it for ten years, five years. 1:09:46.120 --> 1:09:48.439 You can't do it for one year. It's tough, you know. 1:09:48.960 --> 1:09:52.240 And where did grand Poopa come from? Did he come 1:09:52.280 --> 1:09:57.000 from a group called Masters Ceremony ship Man? 1:09:57.400 --> 1:10:00.080 That was the ship sexy was I mean, they was 1:10:00.120 --> 1:10:02.080 banging out on kDa that was a k record. 1:10:02.439 --> 1:10:04.080 The record was hard as fun. 1:10:04.280 --> 1:10:06.720 It was hard. Look man, we were fans of grand 1:10:06.760 --> 1:10:08.760 Pool by me and when we was making Daylight Soul 1:10:08.800 --> 1:10:12.519 record was grand Pool. Its nice. We're like, I don't 1:10:12.520 --> 1:10:13.960 know about the rest of the group so much, but 1:10:14.240 --> 1:10:15.880 grand Pool by Yeah, he's nice. 1:10:16.280 --> 1:10:18.960 He was nice. Man, He definitely was nice. 1:10:19.600 --> 1:10:22.600 You know. So he I mean, you know, and he 1:10:22.640 --> 1:10:24.280 had a he had a run for a minute, you know. 1:10:24.360 --> 1:10:26.639 And so the brand new being and look man music 1:10:26.760 --> 1:10:31.519 is it's it's really hard to sustain. Man, it's so hard. 1:10:31.880 --> 1:10:34.200 And because just because you don't do it and you're 1:10:34.240 --> 1:10:36.160 not a top dog for ten years of twenty years, 1:10:36.200 --> 1:10:37.640 doesn't mean it wasn't great. You know. 1:10:37.920 --> 1:10:40.880 It's just like you know, when I knew bust Around 1:10:41.000 --> 1:10:44.080 was gonna be the ship I played college football, right 1:10:45.479 --> 1:10:47.280 we was about to play We was about to play 1:10:47.320 --> 1:10:49.960 somebody that was big. We was about to play Arizona 1:10:50.000 --> 1:10:53.640 when they had the desert swarm. That's when this is 1:10:53.640 --> 1:10:54.920 a big game. When I go to a little bit 1:10:54.960 --> 1:10:58.000 he has Mexical State. And that was the year they 1:10:58.120 --> 1:11:00.400 was number one team in the country and we lost 1:11:00.479 --> 1:11:03.400 them fourteen to seven. We listened to We've got the 1:11:03.400 --> 1:11:05.840 bus from Los Cruises all the way to Arizona. You 1:11:05.880 --> 1:11:08.040 know what, they played back to back and that's when 1:11:08.040 --> 1:11:10.120 I started sucking with bust a brand. Come on down, 1:11:10.240 --> 1:11:12.800 come on down, come on down. Think that he kinge joint. 1:11:13.120 --> 1:11:17.800 That's that that that real minisent. And he was like 1:11:18.880 --> 1:11:21.679 hold over the track Man. We went out there almost 1:11:21.760 --> 1:11:23.800 upset fucking Arizona listening to that song. 1:11:23.880 --> 1:11:28.000 Man you know came back eight did you know came 1:11:28.080 --> 1:11:28.400 back in. 1:11:28.360 --> 1:11:31.320 The day I bang came Like it wasn't ship he 1:11:31.439 --> 1:11:33.320 became with this man. 1:11:33.960 --> 1:11:37.200 He was nasty king was like the James Brown of rap. 1:11:37.400 --> 1:11:40.679 Like he was like he was dishes man, especially when 1:11:40.680 --> 1:11:44.719 he went off on records. You gave me that smooth 1:11:44.760 --> 1:11:45.879 operator type. 1:11:45.640 --> 1:11:50.360 Shot rap, mad the wrapping like that. 1:11:51.600 --> 1:12:01.639 Let it roll, get bold explore man. 1:12:01.680 --> 1:12:03.479 When I like, I used to see him at the 1:12:03.520 --> 1:12:06.960 Latin Quarters and I was like, this motherfucker is the 1:12:07.000 --> 1:12:09.639 greatest motherfucker in the world. I was like, he's the greatest. 1:12:10.120 --> 1:12:12.640 I really was like he's the greatest, Like he was 1:12:12.760 --> 1:12:16.040 so ill to me. Ain't Carris once too? Totally different 1:12:16.040 --> 1:12:19.559 but super crazy for you know like that that like 1:12:20.080 --> 1:12:23.720 witnessing that man, that was like to me, like I've 1:12:23.720 --> 1:12:25.760 seen everything, that's still to me the greatest shit I 1:12:25.760 --> 1:12:26.200 ever seen. 1:12:26.640 --> 1:12:29.559 Raps. We had the greatest rhymers man of all time 1:12:29.640 --> 1:12:34.360 in our era and body. But we, like I said, 1:12:34.360 --> 1:12:36.920 it was a certain pride we took when it came 1:12:36.960 --> 1:12:40.360 to making songs and music and we looked at that 1:12:40.439 --> 1:12:43.320 as man, you can't make it here. Nigga, you ain't 1:12:43.320 --> 1:12:46.479 making it nowhere, so you better put in some shit 1:12:46.800 --> 1:12:51.799 because nigga act to the block. It's back to shootout 1:12:51.880 --> 1:12:54.840 to drug sales. So I got you, I got it, 1:12:55.280 --> 1:12:58.000 I got it, man. It got to make sense right now, 1:12:58.160 --> 1:13:01.360 you feel me? And somewhere repped like they was trying 1:13:01.360 --> 1:13:03.880 to get off the block. Some motherfuckers just put their 1:13:03.920 --> 1:13:06.880 ass and yeah, every nigga who was rapping back then 1:13:07.000 --> 1:13:09.360 was trying to get the fuck off the block. And 1:13:09.400 --> 1:13:13.360 once they once they knew, wait a minute, I could 1:13:13.400 --> 1:13:16.960 put some some real shit together and nigga's finna pay 1:13:17.080 --> 1:13:22.000 me a couple of million. Nigga, I'm about to get men. Nigga, please, nigga. 1:13:22.040 --> 1:13:25.760 I'm like, nigga, it ain't finna be just no. You 1:13:25.800 --> 1:13:28.880 know ABC one two three, Mary had a little lamb 1:13:28.920 --> 1:13:32.760 and you know, block, Nigga, I'm shit to where you're 1:13:32.800 --> 1:13:35.759 gonna be like, God, damn, this motherfucker hard. 1:13:36.320 --> 1:13:38.559 And so year did you first make your first record? 1:13:38.640 --> 1:13:39.840 What year was your first record? 1:13:40.120 --> 1:13:44.000 My first record was probably eighty seven, eighty six, eighty seven. 1:13:44.200 --> 1:13:47.760 I had a single out with DJ Slip, and I 1:13:47.880 --> 1:13:50.479 wasn't doing shit on it, just chatting on the record, 1:13:50.720 --> 1:13:53.240 but I was. I was a sixteen year old kid 1:13:53.720 --> 1:13:56.800 like and Slip used to make They used to make 1:13:56.840 --> 1:13:59.960 techno records out here, you get me. A lot of 1:14:00.080 --> 1:14:05.400 techno came through La before the establishments of Tone Looks 1:14:05.479 --> 1:14:06.720 and Toddy T's. 1:14:06.479 --> 1:14:09.439 And all the electro shit, all the like up tempo 1:14:09.640 --> 1:14:11.760 like they did all the records. 1:14:11.920 --> 1:14:15.519 Yeah, So me as a young kid trying to get 1:14:15.560 --> 1:14:18.400 out the hood ship, I would go I met Slip 1:14:18.840 --> 1:14:20.880 and I would just go sit up at slips house 1:14:20.920 --> 1:14:23.559 while he would do techno records from you know, that's 1:14:23.560 --> 1:14:26.759 how they made their bread. I'm gonna make a twelve 1:14:26.800 --> 1:14:31.000 inch nigga, call this motherfucker nigga the Shock of the Hour, 1:14:31.240 --> 1:14:34.200 some crazy shit and I'm gonna throw this motherfucker out 1:14:34.200 --> 1:14:37.320 and the swap meets and on and the record pools 1:14:37.400 --> 1:14:39.800 and all that shit. And that's how niggas made their 1:14:39.880 --> 1:14:43.600 little change back then. And so Slip used to let me, 1:14:45.800 --> 1:14:50.360 you know, niggas Compton City conton something, and I would 1:14:50.400 --> 1:14:53.160 just do chants and make records with him while he 1:14:53.240 --> 1:14:55.280 did the beats and the music, and I would just 1:14:55.439 --> 1:14:58.439 Chi and it went from there to go, I'm fenna 1:14:58.479 --> 1:15:01.080 write a fucking rap, and then I just started writing 1:15:02.040 --> 1:15:05.240 and then going through the situations I was going through 1:15:05.280 --> 1:15:09.320 every day with high school and gang bang and team 1:15:09.520 --> 1:15:13.760 pregnancy and trying to sell crack pieces to you know, 1:15:14.680 --> 1:15:17.360 I just start pinning the shit about the life. I 1:15:17.479 --> 1:15:21.280 was shit, nigga. Today we woke up, niggas tried to 1:15:21.320 --> 1:15:25.479 sweat us. Police came through the home meet. God shot nigga. 1:15:25.479 --> 1:15:27.519 I was at the swap meet trying to find me. 1:15:27.680 --> 1:15:30.719 This got into it with some niggas from the other side, 1:15:31.120 --> 1:15:33.040 and you would just start writing that, and then it 1:15:33.160 --> 1:15:36.120 turned more serious. When you start going I need to 1:15:36.120 --> 1:15:41.360 make some money, turned from I can't get a job. 1:15:41.600 --> 1:15:45.120 I got no high school education, I ain't went to college. 1:15:45.400 --> 1:15:48.280 You get me. I'm out here gang banging, trying to 1:15:48.280 --> 1:15:52.360 sell dope to make ends meet. Where the fuck am 1:15:52.439 --> 1:15:56.400 I going? You get me? What's so different? Because I 1:15:56.479 --> 1:15:58.479 look up every day when I go to school and 1:15:58.520 --> 1:16:01.160 I see a hundred niggas just like me. You get me. 1:16:02.080 --> 1:16:04.960 They're in the same shit. We all got on raiders 1:16:05.000 --> 1:16:08.439 hats and white T shirts and khakis and cortels, and 1:16:08.479 --> 1:16:11.559 we all doing the same shit. You gotta separate yourself 1:16:11.600 --> 1:16:14.200 from the ship. So, like I said, I just started 1:16:14.200 --> 1:16:18.400 writing raps about the community and niggas can't get ahead, 1:16:18.800 --> 1:16:22.720 and niggas can't get a break, and motherfucking you got 1:16:22.800 --> 1:16:25.360 niggas over here wanting to kill you. You got one 1:16:25.479 --> 1:16:28.280 time's over here want the jack you you get. So 1:16:28.680 --> 1:16:32.479 that's how I started constructing my ship, to make it like, oh, 1:16:32.520 --> 1:16:37.240 it's niggas like me out there, like you know, fun 1:16:37.320 --> 1:16:39.200 and you know, we had the young m c's and 1:16:39.280 --> 1:16:42.360 we had the JJ Fatz and we had the fun wraps. 1:16:42.560 --> 1:16:46.080 But then nigga is some serious shit going on out here. 1:16:46.640 --> 1:16:48.479 Well six in the morning. The one I got you 1:16:48.560 --> 1:16:51.519 like to like know you can do with that stuff. 1:16:52.000 --> 1:16:58.920 Honestly, Eric Rockim the president president is you start rapping 1:16:59.040 --> 1:17:02.160 like our rap as to what he's doing, because he 1:17:02.320 --> 1:17:05.040 was even though it was it was he was the 1:17:05.080 --> 1:17:08.840 same ship you give me. I'm taking off my coat, Nigga, 1:17:09.080 --> 1:17:13.360 the rhyme's antagonized me. Nigga, I'm I'm looking for a donut. Nigga, 1:17:13.400 --> 1:17:17.400 the bitch trying to glaze me. You get love it 1:17:17.520 --> 1:17:20.519 ship you give me. He wasn't talking about you. I 1:17:20.720 --> 1:17:23.800 rock Hemp having fun, Nigga, I'm in the struggle out here. 1:17:23.920 --> 1:17:26.880 You get was signing ice cold. 1:17:27.120 --> 1:17:29.439 Then I came to the door. I said it before, Nigga, 1:17:29.439 --> 1:17:32.000 I never let the mic magnetize me no more. But 1:17:32.000 --> 1:17:36.679 it's biting me. You get me he telling you some ship, Nigga. 1:17:36.720 --> 1:17:39.559 I got to take off my coat and clear my throat. Nigga, Like, 1:17:39.880 --> 1:17:42.360 let me let me talk to me right quick. That's 1:17:42.360 --> 1:17:45.679 what made me take Raps serious when I heard him crazy. 1:17:46.080 --> 1:17:48.120 That's what you think I said, when you first heard 1:17:48.080 --> 1:17:50.000 a Gainst the Rep, like be real, like when we 1:17:50.040 --> 1:17:51.400 first heard a Gainst the Rep that you know it 1:17:51.479 --> 1:17:52.120 was gonna be some ship. 1:17:52.880 --> 1:17:55.479 So I'm one of the like five people in New 1:17:55.560 --> 1:17:57.639 York who liked that, n w A. So I came 1:17:57.680 --> 1:18:00.360 to this is such a funny story. I came LA 1:18:00.680 --> 1:18:05.320 for motherfucking BRR. I think you remember br I came 1:18:05.360 --> 1:18:08.320 for the br shit I was working. I think I 1:18:08.360 --> 1:18:10.840 was working at Tommy Boy. I just started working at 1:18:10.880 --> 1:18:16.000 eighty seven, and I grew up with this is the 1:18:16.040 --> 1:18:19.639 craziest thing. I grew up with Kadeem Hardisan Dwayne Wayne 1:18:19.680 --> 1:18:23.080 from from Cosby Show. He's my childhood friend. We went 1:18:23.120 --> 1:18:26.080 to his mom and my mom's in school. He's my brother, 1:18:26.240 --> 1:18:28.720 so literally my friend from grade school. So I was 1:18:28.720 --> 1:18:31.280 hanging out with him. I checked in him every time 1:18:31.320 --> 1:18:32.800 I came out of and he was like, you heard 1:18:32.800 --> 1:18:34.680 this shit yet, And it was like it was is 1:18:34.800 --> 1:18:37.240 makaj and it was dope Man, and I was like, 1:18:37.320 --> 1:18:39.680 what the fuck? And it sounded kind of like the 1:18:39.720 --> 1:18:44.519 Beastie Boys, but it was ill and they had to skit, 1:18:44.800 --> 1:18:47.280 you know, hey, mister dope man, the whole shit. And 1:18:47.280 --> 1:18:48.760 then I went to bu up to twelve and I 1:18:48.800 --> 1:18:50.160 was like, I want to go buy that, bring it 1:18:50.200 --> 1:18:52.320 back home. I brought it and I've seen the cover 1:18:52.360 --> 1:18:54.559 and the cover it just bugged me the fuck out. 1:18:54.840 --> 1:18:57.000 I was like, who the fuck are these motherfuckers? This 1:18:57.000 --> 1:19:00.800 shit is wild? So I was fan. I was. I was. 1:19:00.840 --> 1:19:02.800 I like this ship. I liked it. It was I 1:19:02.840 --> 1:19:05.200 didn't know c I A. I knew Six in the Morning, 1:19:05.240 --> 1:19:08.360 I knew Ice Tea, I knew the Battle Ram but 1:19:08.360 --> 1:19:10.240 those records didn't really pop in New York like that, 1:19:10.280 --> 1:19:12.479 but I knew them. But I heard that Dope Man shit. 1:19:12.520 --> 1:19:16.360 I was like, this ship is crazy. And then I 1:19:16.400 --> 1:19:19.640 came back to La and I met Ice Cuban Dre 1:19:20.439 --> 1:19:22.160 so I was a fan. And if you look at 1:19:22.160 --> 1:19:26.519 that first Underway record, they said Dante Ross from the 1:19:26.600 --> 1:19:29.720 Tommy Boy because because I met them and they came 1:19:29.760 --> 1:19:31.800 to New York and they didn't know it was gonna 1:19:31.800 --> 1:19:34.200 be dumb cold. I took Cube to buy a coat 1:19:34.560 --> 1:19:36.840 because he came out with the little fucking he had 1:19:36.840 --> 1:19:39.000 the Derby jacket. He didn't have a real coat, like 1:19:39.360 --> 1:19:42.000 I was like, mother bucket, it's cold out here. So 1:19:42.000 --> 1:19:44.479 so I don't know, man, I always liked it. I 1:19:44.560 --> 1:19:49.400 liked it because ship was raw. Shit was raw, and 1:19:49.439 --> 1:19:51.519 it was they was talking some ship that wasn't like 1:19:51.600 --> 1:19:53.880 New York. They wasn't trying to be like New York. 1:19:54.200 --> 1:19:57.519 So I liked that about it, where like even Miami Base, 1:19:57.680 --> 1:20:01.160 I didn't really like Miami based music, but it was original. 1:20:01.280 --> 1:20:03.479 It wasn't trying to be New York. But I didn't 1:20:03.520 --> 1:20:05.320 like it the way I like gangster rap. 1:20:09.160 --> 1:20:10.960 Can I tell you a secret about Miami Base. 1:20:11.560 --> 1:20:13.479 I mean it's just electro, it's really just playing it 1:20:13.520 --> 1:20:15.400 round and you know that shit originated out here. 1:20:15.760 --> 1:20:17.280 They produced mixes. 1:20:20.200 --> 1:20:22.880 Yeah, I knew that he's from the Bay and and 1:20:22.960 --> 1:20:26.400 you know even like you know egypt like go you know, 1:20:26.479 --> 1:20:29.599 Egyptian Lover, like you know, Dill of freaking all those records, 1:20:29.600 --> 1:20:31.639 those are like before. Those are like two Live Crew 1:20:31.720 --> 1:20:34.559 before Two Lives to me, you know, but that music 1:20:34.560 --> 1:20:37.080 to me was when that came out, like that ship 1:20:37.200 --> 1:20:39.439 was like a little it was like it was cool. 1:20:39.520 --> 1:20:41.040 But then when they kept going with that, it was 1:20:41.080 --> 1:20:43.599 ancient to me, Like I was fucking with rock can, 1:20:43.640 --> 1:20:47.680 I was listening to whatever ll that shit was like that. 1:20:47.720 --> 1:20:52.560 Was our early I guess, our early introductions into the 1:20:53.040 --> 1:20:56.840 crossing over from the techno into the hip hop so 1:20:57.000 --> 1:21:02.880 to speak, you know, Egyptian Lover and the Wrecking Crew 1:21:02.920 --> 1:21:07.320 and and and those type of cat l a dream team. Uh, 1:21:07.400 --> 1:21:10.600 that was our introduction because you know we thought that 1:21:10.720 --> 1:21:13.800 was wrapped, you know, and my beat goes boom and 1:21:14.400 --> 1:21:16.519 what is the DJ if he can't what is a 1:21:16.600 --> 1:21:17.799 DJ if he can't straight? 1:21:18.920 --> 1:21:21.160 That was hard. That reck was hard. I can't run. 1:21:21.280 --> 1:21:27.000 That was hard. That was hard, but hard to me too, 1:21:27.240 --> 1:21:27.839 I can't. 1:21:28.560 --> 1:21:32.160 Dolla Freak was our ship too, because if it got 1:21:32.160 --> 1:21:36.599 the girls freaking works, donad Freak was our party anthem. 1:21:36.960 --> 1:21:39.200 And then, like I said, you. You wrapped it up 1:21:39.200 --> 1:21:42.000 with a little bit of Egyptian lover Like I said, 1:21:42.040 --> 1:21:45.080 my beat goes boom and what is a DJ? And 1:21:45.120 --> 1:21:48.160 then then you brought it back with ice tea and 1:21:48.200 --> 1:21:50.840 when he came with six in the morning, and then 1:21:51.200 --> 1:21:54.400 kind of set us on the path of finding our 1:21:54.520 --> 1:21:57.480 own identity as far as hip hop was concerned. 1:21:58.040 --> 1:21:59.599 Uh In The Battle right. 1:22:02.000 --> 1:22:05.879 Was was? The Battle Round was really a neighborhood jam 1:22:07.200 --> 1:22:12.680 until it got so popular that eve Jam, which was 1:22:12.720 --> 1:22:16.400 an independent label, put it out and then Todd ended 1:22:16.439 --> 1:22:19.320 up getting the deal like a single d N yeah 1:22:19.400 --> 1:22:21.000 because of it. 1:22:21.040 --> 1:22:24.080 So the Battle I mean I always liked I like 1:22:24.160 --> 1:22:24.679 that record. 1:22:24.720 --> 1:22:27.120 Like to me, it was like travel through stages. It 1:22:27.240 --> 1:22:29.960 went from the homie cassette tape, then it went to 1:22:30.000 --> 1:22:33.040 the independent label, then it made it to the majors. 1:22:33.960 --> 1:22:35.720 I mean I used to go to the swap meet. 1:22:35.760 --> 1:22:37.400 I used to go to I used to go to 1:22:38.120 --> 1:22:41.439 go to the swap meet and get hats me you know, 1:22:41.520 --> 1:22:44.639 the La hats, the embroider hats. And I would go 1:22:44.680 --> 1:22:47.760 there and I would ask dudes what the ship was, 1:22:47.840 --> 1:22:49.920 what was the tape, what was the thing to buy? 1:22:50.760 --> 1:22:53.479 And dudes would put me up on records in La 1:22:53.760 --> 1:22:56.120 like and I had met the dude. I went to 1:22:56.160 --> 1:22:59.400 the roodium in Torrents and I met that. I went 1:22:59.479 --> 1:23:02.800 to the dude ship Steve Ganno, the Japanese dude, and 1:23:03.479 --> 1:23:05.559 I bought records from him, like you know, I would, 1:23:05.880 --> 1:23:08.320 you know, I knew, like I had checked him out, 1:23:08.360 --> 1:23:12.200 but I remember that I had bought and I know 1:23:12.280 --> 1:23:14.400 you guys used to be funking, but I had got 1:23:14.720 --> 1:23:17.519 DJ Quick's tape at the swaplan before it came out, 1:23:17.720 --> 1:23:19.080 and it was called the Red Tape. 1:23:19.479 --> 1:23:20.320 Uh. 1:23:20.360 --> 1:23:23.040 And that album is the same album as Born and 1:23:23.080 --> 1:23:25.920 Raised in conference. Yeah, that was like eighty five percent 1:23:26.000 --> 1:23:26.639 the same ship. 1:23:27.000 --> 1:23:30.200 We had to change up some ship. Yeah, he changed 1:23:30.280 --> 1:23:33.439 up a little shit, but ninety percent of that that 1:23:33.560 --> 1:23:35.520 Red Tape was his first. 1:23:35.200 --> 1:23:40.280 Album album because I had, Yeah, he was talking ship, 1:23:40.360 --> 1:23:41.360 he was talking that ship. 1:23:41.760 --> 1:23:43.960 He did a gang of dissing on that Red tape. 1:23:43.960 --> 1:23:46.599 He was this in us, He was dising easy in them. 1:23:46.680 --> 1:23:47.439 He was dising that. 1:23:47.840 --> 1:23:49.120 He took shots at everyone. 1:23:49.400 --> 1:23:54.800 You when you're establishing your position and based on you 1:23:54.840 --> 1:23:58.760 know how we was. We were in Compton in La 1:23:58.880 --> 1:24:02.200 as far as the game were, it was only right. 1:24:02.479 --> 1:24:06.639 You get me them. Niggas is crips, we bloods, like the. 1:24:06.600 --> 1:24:09.920 First person to bring the aspect to it right. 1:24:10.760 --> 1:24:14.840 You know, to me, like rap, don't get a fucked up. 1:24:14.920 --> 1:24:17.840 Rap is a full contact sport. If there's a full 1:24:17.880 --> 1:24:20.880 contact sport, that's not for. It's not for you know, 1:24:21.000 --> 1:24:24.640 it's not marshmallow music. And people forgot that along the 1:24:24.680 --> 1:24:27.000 way kind of you know, like look, Daylight are not 1:24:27.040 --> 1:24:29.920 tough guys all that shit, you know whatever, But rap 1:24:30.040 --> 1:24:32.719 is like that the essence, the battle aspect of rat. 1:24:33.120 --> 1:24:34.800 That's like at the core of it. That's like the 1:24:34.840 --> 1:24:37.720 meat and potatoes. That's where it started. So you know, 1:24:37.800 --> 1:24:41.080 that's part of it. Like take a full circle. 1:24:41.240 --> 1:24:44.200 Touring with niggas. You don't give a fuck where they from. 1:24:44.240 --> 1:24:49.400 When y'all on tour funking with some niggas in another state, 1:24:49.880 --> 1:24:53.720 then this whole tour gonna start getting down. Primo used 1:24:53.720 --> 1:24:56.639 to tell me stories all the time, how nigga they 1:24:56.760 --> 1:24:59.840 wasn't no gang banging, but if so and so was 1:25:00.040 --> 1:25:03.200 on the tour and they was getting into it, niggas 1:25:03.200 --> 1:25:05.960 ship premont like nigga we rolling up the sleeves too. 1:25:07.240 --> 1:25:09.160 That's how it is, man. It's not a you know, 1:25:09.320 --> 1:25:11.840 it's like one for all. That's how it is. I mean, 1:25:12.240 --> 1:25:15.639 you know we're talking about like battle Rap go full 1:25:15.720 --> 1:25:19.280 circle Man, Drake and Kendrick. Man, that's just that same ship. 1:25:19.920 --> 1:25:23.240 You know. It's like that's to me, like, look, you 1:25:23.280 --> 1:25:27.679 hope it doesn't have repercussions, right, but that's like part 1:25:27.720 --> 1:25:30.519 of the beauty of this thing. Man, Like that's you know, 1:25:30.600 --> 1:25:33.320 hammer ticket shots at run DMC and then you know 1:25:33.439 --> 1:25:35.080 that shit is just part of it. It comes with 1:25:35.120 --> 1:25:35.759 the territory. 1:25:36.720 --> 1:25:38.680 Yeah, for real, man, you know what I heard Big 1:25:38.760 --> 1:25:43.280 day Came actually had hands man somebody else beat Slick 1:25:43.360 --> 1:25:46.639 Rick and rode out about you about the Big. 1:25:47.680 --> 1:25:50.320 Rick did that happens? Big Daddy Came was knowing to 1:25:50.360 --> 1:25:52.439 beat people up. He was like you know, he just 1:25:52.880 --> 1:25:55.519 was was hot tempered. He definitely was knowing to put 1:25:55.520 --> 1:25:57.280 his hands on people, you know. And then there was 1:25:57.320 --> 1:26:01.800 also it's also like it's very he was he beat 1:26:01.880 --> 1:26:07.640 up what he's from East New York exactly. That's a 1:26:07.680 --> 1:26:10.400 serious place that's in East New York. Back in the 1:26:10.479 --> 1:26:13.960 day was only Browns Bell was worse than all of Brooklyn. 1:26:14.160 --> 1:26:15.960 That's one of the roughest neighborhoods. 1:26:16.240 --> 1:26:20.439 What what what what beers mark He saying. My Nigga said, 1:26:20.479 --> 1:26:22.519 Big Daddy would grow up to be nothing but a 1:26:22.640 --> 1:26:26.640 hulum either in j J someone shooting. He was the 1:26:26.760 --> 1:26:29.800 hard nigga. Big would talk about hisself like that. He 1:26:29.960 --> 1:26:32.639 telling you, I had another brother that's calm and playing. 1:26:32.960 --> 1:26:37.599 He goes by the name of Fellow, that's laid back 1:26:38.000 --> 1:26:41.040 back in the days, he was nothing like that. And 1:26:41.120 --> 1:26:43.559 Nigga said, I remember when he used to fight every day. 1:26:45.320 --> 1:26:48.000 He beat up, he beat up, He beat up Brother Marquise. 1:26:48.920 --> 1:26:50.559 He beat up Brother Marquise too. 1:26:50.760 --> 1:26:53.559 Brother Marquise said some ship to him, some some god 1:26:53.640 --> 1:26:56.400 body ship. He he didn't appreciate it. And he turned 1:26:56.400 --> 1:26:58.760 around and he had to do what he did at 1:26:58.800 --> 1:27:01.760 the New Music Seminar upstairs in the balcony, and King 1:27:01.920 --> 1:27:02.800 came on them. 1:27:03.160 --> 1:27:05.080 We're not what we used to get it in at 1:27:05.120 --> 1:27:09.920 the New Music seminars. Nigga, you have for the nigga 1:27:10.000 --> 1:27:13.200 you meeting them at the seminar. Nigga is going down. Nigga, 1:27:13.200 --> 1:27:14.160 I'm telling where. 1:27:14.600 --> 1:27:19.920 That's where lay on them, cut mob and above the law. 1:27:20.320 --> 1:27:21.920 Let me ask you so me. I want to ask 1:27:21.960 --> 1:27:22.320 both of you. 1:27:23.000 --> 1:27:24.439 At the New Music seminar. 1:27:25.800 --> 1:27:27.519 Let me let me ask you. I always hear about 1:27:27.520 --> 1:27:31.320 Above the Law start A G Funk. I never know 1:27:31.680 --> 1:27:34.320 what the truth is and all of that because I 1:27:34.400 --> 1:27:37.599 never liked their music after Dre and Them didn't. I 1:27:37.600 --> 1:27:40.080 didn't love it. I like some songs, I like Black Superman, 1:27:40.320 --> 1:27:42.720 there's some joints, but they wasn't rocking the way Dre 1:27:43.000 --> 1:27:45.720 was to me. So I always wanted to know was 1:27:45.760 --> 1:27:49.959 they really Were they really those dudes who invented that ship. 1:27:53.920 --> 1:27:56.880 Hutch goes back, you know hutch has you know it's 1:27:57.120 --> 1:28:00.519 the really Hutchinson and all that. So they had that 1:28:00.600 --> 1:28:05.880 Philadelphia sound. But then you know, you got my dude 1:28:06.120 --> 1:28:11.360 Warren g who you know with Snooping them whose claims 1:28:13.080 --> 1:28:17.439 their ship came out. You get me. Above the Law 1:28:17.520 --> 1:28:18.920 came out before all of them. 1:28:19.560 --> 1:28:20.200 Yep, they did. 1:28:20.760 --> 1:28:23.599 Man, You gotta remember A Warren and Snoop started off 1:28:23.600 --> 1:28:25.800 with Above the Law exactly. They all. 1:28:27.520 --> 1:28:28.200 I didn't know that. 1:28:28.560 --> 1:28:33.040 Yeah, they was all clicked together when Dre and Them formed. 1:28:33.439 --> 1:28:37.840 So because Above the Law had the first album Living like. 1:28:37.840 --> 1:28:42.000 Hustlers right well before then n. 1:28:42.080 --> 1:28:45.200 W a Is but not Snoop and G Funk and 1:28:45.280 --> 1:28:50.200 William G. It was n w A and then it 1:28:50.320 --> 1:28:54.400 was Above the Law. They were first after after Ease, 1:28:54.560 --> 1:28:57.080 after the Easy solo record and the n w A 1:28:57.200 --> 1:29:03.800 straight out of Compton. They came out on epic under Ruthless. Yeah, 1:29:03.880 --> 1:29:06.679 the first album was Living like Hustlers and. 1:29:06.600 --> 1:29:09.840 That album that almost popping that she was knocking an. 1:29:09.760 --> 1:29:14.000 Album was the Ship. They had flow on on that motherfucker. 1:29:14.160 --> 1:29:18.120 And now I got a murder rap, just another execution nigga. 1:29:18.160 --> 1:29:20.599 They had flow on, Nigga. They had songs on. 1:29:20.640 --> 1:29:24.680 It was hard. That shit was hard, that she was 1:29:24.720 --> 1:29:27.200 harder than anything else they ever did. But I just like, 1:29:27.600 --> 1:29:30.120 who invented what? Like I always wanted to know because 1:29:30.240 --> 1:29:32.040 I always read it and I'm was like, who really 1:29:32.080 --> 1:29:33.599 did what? I want to tell you. 1:29:33.560 --> 1:29:37.479 Like this, Dante Warren, She and Snoop were with them 1:29:37.640 --> 1:29:41.679 at the time, right, And I would have to say 1:29:41.720 --> 1:29:45.639 that they kind of did. And Warren is always kind 1:29:45.640 --> 1:29:48.799 of undervalue to me because his contribution to the chronic 1:29:49.160 --> 1:29:51.120 is never hardly talked about. He kind of put that 1:29:51.160 --> 1:29:55.240 stuff together. But Drey, you know, Dray got that here. 1:29:55.320 --> 1:29:56.800 You know, Dray hooked it up because a lot of 1:29:56.800 --> 1:29:59.679 those records was done already, a lot of those records 1:29:59.720 --> 1:30:01.960 like Little Ghetto Boy and all that stuff. Those records 1:30:02.040 --> 1:30:03.840 was done already, and you know, Trey kind of went 1:30:03.920 --> 1:30:05.280 in and put his touches on him and made a 1:30:05.360 --> 1:30:07.760 magic I'm not saying Trey won't do nothing, but Warren, 1:30:07.840 --> 1:30:10.280 she played a big part of that all so the 1:30:10.439 --> 1:30:15.000 dazz right, yeahs Dads and Warren. I would say Warren 1:30:15.080 --> 1:30:17.479 was probably a little further along than Dads at that time. 1:30:17.920 --> 1:30:19.360 Warren was always dope. 1:30:19.120 --> 1:30:21.000 Because he had kind of went through boot camp like 1:30:21.160 --> 1:30:24.240 Snoop and them could have came out with about the law. 1:30:24.240 --> 1:30:26.200 They kind of gave Trader blessing to go ahead and 1:30:26.280 --> 1:30:27.800 you know, handle it with Snoop. 1:30:28.400 --> 1:30:31.400 Interesting. I never knew. I never knew any of that, 1:30:31.479 --> 1:30:34.639 like I had. I never met above Block. I met 1:30:35.120 --> 1:30:38.120 Easy back in the day. I mean he was Easy 1:30:38.200 --> 1:30:40.519 was in New York. He like he didn't give a fuck, 1:30:40.680 --> 1:30:42.400 Like he was like I'm over here now, like fuck it. 1:30:42.720 --> 1:30:46.600 Iris like Easy had Easy had deals everywhere, didn't he? 1:30:47.160 --> 1:30:48.839 Yeah, Easy everywhere? 1:30:48.880 --> 1:30:52.559 I mean Easy Easy, This is so crazy Easy. Jerry Heller, 1:30:53.200 --> 1:30:57.360 Dre and michell La came to my office because I 1:30:57.360 --> 1:30:59.519 had one. I worked at Tommy Boy. I want a son. 1:30:59.560 --> 1:31:02.639 Two groups. I didn't get either of them, Trive Request 1:31:03.280 --> 1:31:07.320 because they got way more money, and DC, who we 1:31:07.360 --> 1:31:09.240 could have for one hundred and seventy five thousand dollars. 1:31:09.280 --> 1:31:11.800 Tom Silverman looked at Jerry Heller and said, no, but 1:31:11.840 --> 1:31:15.080 I want to work at a lecture. Jerry Heller called 1:31:15.080 --> 1:31:17.200 me up and he said, I'm going to get out 1:31:17.240 --> 1:31:20.400 of my deal with Atlantic for Ruthless. Do you want 1:31:20.400 --> 1:31:23.320 to sign DC? And I said, how's that working? He said, 1:31:23.360 --> 1:31:24.920 we have a song that they won't put on an 1:31:24.920 --> 1:31:28.640 album called Bridget. You guys probably know that song. It's 1:31:28.680 --> 1:31:30.680 a song with all It's the one they run the 1:31:30.720 --> 1:31:32.760 train on the Girl. So they were like, they won't 1:31:32.800 --> 1:31:34.680 let us put the record on. We're gonna get out 1:31:34.680 --> 1:31:37.519 the deal. So he came to see me and they 1:31:37.560 --> 1:31:40.400 came to my office and DC wasn't there. I had 1:31:40.439 --> 1:31:44.160 never met Doc and they I was like, they were like, 1:31:44.200 --> 1:31:45.759 they won't let us put the song on the album. 1:31:45.840 --> 1:31:48.280 I was like, yo, we'll do the deal. So then 1:31:48.360 --> 1:31:50.559 me and Jerry the next day met with my boss 1:31:50.760 --> 1:31:53.160 and my boss told me my boss is says og Is. 1:31:53.200 --> 1:31:55.320 There was Bob Kraus and he said that Jerry Heller 1:31:55.360 --> 1:31:57.479 got don't trust him. I don't know how he knew. 1:31:57.680 --> 1:31:59.559 He said, don't trust that guy. And it turned out 1:31:59.560 --> 1:32:01.720 they couldn't get out of their deal. But they were 1:32:01.760 --> 1:32:03.760 all in my office and I remember I played one 1:32:03.800 --> 1:32:06.000 song by grand Football for them and Dre was like, 1:32:06.600 --> 1:32:08.120 he you know, he's like grand Pool boy, He's a 1:32:08.120 --> 1:32:11.200 bad motherfucker. But Easy was just like clowning. He was 1:32:11.240 --> 1:32:14.280 just fucking around, like walking around, just fucking around in 1:32:14.280 --> 1:32:16.280 the office. I was like, he was bugged out, but 1:32:16.320 --> 1:32:19.400 he really was in New York like just like he 1:32:19.880 --> 1:32:22.160 was like, I can't explain it. He had an aura. 1:32:22.479 --> 1:32:24.160 He had an aura like I was like, this guy's 1:32:24.240 --> 1:32:26.599 bit larger than life, mad small. So the only time 1:32:26.600 --> 1:32:28.559 I ever met him, he bugged me out though, and 1:32:28.600 --> 1:32:30.680 then of course it all became what it was and 1:32:30.800 --> 1:32:34.920 Doc to me, he was a bad Motherfuckerdoc. 1:32:35.680 --> 1:32:40.200 Doc was the ship I think gotten an accident. 1:32:40.280 --> 1:32:40.840 Man, it. 1:32:42.439 --> 1:32:44.240 Really fucked a lot of stuff up for him out. 1:32:44.960 --> 1:32:48.200 I'm always curious to see what his career would have been. 1:32:48.240 --> 1:32:50.840 Eight and he's been able to put three or four 1:32:50.880 --> 1:32:52.040 more albums out. 1:32:52.520 --> 1:32:54.880 Ship Star, Yeah, he'd have been he would have been 1:32:54.880 --> 1:32:57.559 in that Kendrick era. He would have been. In that 1:32:57.840 --> 1:32:59.040 ice Cube era. 1:32:59.479 --> 1:33:01.160 He would have been him and ice Cube would have 1:33:01.200 --> 1:33:02.360 been like the top in. 1:33:02.320 --> 1:33:06.519 That ice Cube era, that Scarface era that you know 1:33:06.920 --> 1:33:10.280 he he was. He was, like you said, he was 1:33:10.280 --> 1:33:13.360 a bad motherfucker when he came to that pin. He was. 1:33:13.479 --> 1:33:18.680 He raped. He rat better than Ice cbe back then. 1:33:19.360 --> 1:33:23.360 Yeah, he he knew how to because like another thing, 1:33:23.520 --> 1:33:26.760 he wasn't an l A nigga, you get me, So 1:33:26.880 --> 1:33:29.439 he was able to pin a lot of ship that 1:33:29.520 --> 1:33:33.200 didn't have the cultural aspects of game bang and ship. 1:33:33.720 --> 1:33:35.800 You just looked at yo see and thought he was 1:33:35.800 --> 1:33:38.160 an l A nigga, But he was from Dallas, Texas 1:33:39.960 --> 1:33:42.639 crew you look fresh crew. That's where I first heard of. 1:33:42.640 --> 1:33:44.240 Him, to crew. 1:33:45.000 --> 1:33:48.599 And he was one of those motherfuckers that when you heard, 1:33:48.960 --> 1:33:52.960 you was like, god damn, this mother talented when it 1:33:53.080 --> 1:33:57.960 came to that pin. So, you know, I doubt I 1:33:58.000 --> 1:34:00.080 wouldn't doubt that he would be up there on on 1:34:00.160 --> 1:34:05.439 that upper echelon, you know, his Cube status, you know, 1:34:05.520 --> 1:34:09.479 or any nigga who was popular from the West coast. 1:34:10.800 --> 1:34:13.400 And if you ask him, I talked to d C 1:34:13.720 --> 1:34:17.479 and I talked to Scarface, right, I told d C 1:34:17.760 --> 1:34:20.559 Man that I thought his verse on the on the 1:34:20.600 --> 1:34:24.040 Grand Finale was I thought he got you know. He 1:34:24.240 --> 1:34:27.120 told me, he said, man, I wasn't better than Cube. 1:34:27.680 --> 1:34:30.639 Scarface told me he wasn't better than Q. I think 1:34:30.760 --> 1:34:31.880 prime ice Cube. 1:34:31.920 --> 1:34:36.720 Man, he was some ice cubes on those guys. For 1:34:36.880 --> 1:34:39.840 one year, maybe two, he was top dog. He was 1:34:39.880 --> 1:34:42.679 the badest motherfucker in the world. When America's Most Wanted 1:34:42.720 --> 1:34:45.479 came out, No, he know what was fucking Cube that year? 1:34:45.600 --> 1:34:47.160 I was like he was top dog. 1:34:47.760 --> 1:34:50.680 Yeah, in my opinion. Yeah, the America's. 1:34:50.160 --> 1:34:51.720 Second album too, he. 1:34:52.000 --> 1:34:56.800 Uh the death certificate. He it was, I I don't 1:34:56.920 --> 1:35:00.400 you know, I say, by a round. Then Cubes started, 1:35:00.479 --> 1:35:03.719 you know, venturing off into a lot of shit. After 1:35:04.520 --> 1:35:08.560 that second record. He started to the Predator. It's you 1:35:08.720 --> 1:35:12.599 feel it starts declining. And like I said, not because 1:35:12.640 --> 1:35:16.679 of you know, his ability, but just because of the interest. 1:35:16.800 --> 1:35:19.960 Probably he's doing movies and this, that and the other. 1:35:19.920 --> 1:35:24.439 Like Fridays, I'm doing this, I'm doing are we there yet? 1:35:24.560 --> 1:35:27.639 I'm doing this, I'm doing this movie. I got another 1:35:27.760 --> 1:35:32.040 Friday movie. I'm doing this. And Q turned into you know, 1:35:32.160 --> 1:35:34.000 the hip hop Demzel Washington. 1:35:34.040 --> 1:35:35.280 As far as the first. 1:35:35.040 --> 1:35:38.720 Thing about the economics though, eight especially back then making records. 1:35:38.960 --> 1:35:41.320 You figure he got that movie money man, he looking 1:35:41.320 --> 1:35:41.720 at what. 1:35:43.439 --> 1:35:44.559 I go to a movie, this. 1:35:44.600 --> 1:35:48.040 Record and maybe make a half a million maybe, but 1:35:48.120 --> 1:35:50.479 I can put out this movie and make forty fifty. 1:35:50.840 --> 1:35:55.639 You get me like demographics. So now my more thoughts 1:35:55.720 --> 1:35:59.120 and process is the finishing up these movie scripts than 1:35:59.200 --> 1:36:04.760 the trying to pin another steady mob. And I was, well, 1:36:04.880 --> 1:36:08.400 I wasn't a movie dude. I didn't consider myself No. 1:36:08.400 --> 1:36:11.479 Man, you incredible and menace. Man, you were fucking great. 1:36:11.840 --> 1:36:14.679 Oh that's why it was vice versa. It was different 1:36:14.720 --> 1:36:20.320 for me. I relied more on pinning wraps. Then let 1:36:20.400 --> 1:36:22.120 me go sit up and try to write a script 1:36:22.120 --> 1:36:24.599 with a nigga or do this or do that, because 1:36:24.640 --> 1:36:27.719 my sole interest was records was hip hop. 1:36:28.360 --> 1:36:29.960 I mean, let me tell you someonehen you're in the 1:36:29.960 --> 1:36:32.320 car and you told them to stop acting like bitches. 1:36:33.200 --> 1:36:35.479 That ship was classic when you was like you said 1:36:37.640 --> 1:36:41.280 that shit was incredible. Man, you were so authentic, Like 1:36:41.320 --> 1:36:43.920 it was so because you are authentic, but. 1:36:43.840 --> 1:36:47.040 It was that was and they and people ask and 1:36:47.080 --> 1:36:48.920 I'll be like, man, that shit we did every day 1:36:49.080 --> 1:36:51.439 on the on the regular man. 1:36:51.640 --> 1:36:52.800 It didn't have to be great. 1:36:52.840 --> 1:36:55.240 It didn't have to be a camera on, It didn't 1:36:55.280 --> 1:36:56.800 have to be a microphone on. 1:36:58.240 --> 1:37:00.040 What you telling me? Say? They killed your. 1:37:01.400 --> 1:37:03.960 Nigga. Nigga and you riding around talking about who you 1:37:04.000 --> 1:37:06.080 don't want to shoot and who you don't want to kill, 1:37:06.360 --> 1:37:09.320 but your cousin laid up dead, nigga. Y'all got to 1:37:09.400 --> 1:37:12.200 be the most bitchiness niggas I've ever seen. 1:37:12.080 --> 1:37:16.080 Right now, But I was so classic going. 1:37:15.920 --> 1:37:19.080 To pill some niggas caps. We worried about who's standing 1:37:19.120 --> 1:37:22.679 around outside and I don't want to shoot no kids. 1:37:22.760 --> 1:37:26.679 And we didn't have that mentality that was real shit 1:37:27.040 --> 1:37:30.920 like we had a sense of of, well, we ain't 1:37:31.000 --> 1:37:33.679 just gonna start shooting if it's five and six kids 1:37:33.760 --> 1:37:36.839 running around on bicycles and ship. We had a difference 1:37:36.880 --> 1:37:41.240 of approach. But hell no, nigga, we in the car 1:37:41.320 --> 1:37:43.400 and it's time for dirt to be done. I don't 1:37:43.400 --> 1:37:45.760 want to hear no shit about well, I don't want 1:37:45.760 --> 1:37:47.559 to do this and I don't want to be nigga. 1:37:47.560 --> 1:37:49.160 Are you politicking right now? 1:37:50.320 --> 1:37:52.920 I mean to me, that's the that's the best. That's 1:37:52.960 --> 1:37:54.679 the best. Likely movie game. 1:37:56.560 --> 1:37:59.360 Movies your cousin laid up stiff as hell on the 1:37:59.560 --> 1:38:01.280 on the sleigh I have in the morgue, and you 1:38:01.320 --> 1:38:03.920 want to talk about what you don't want to do, nigga, 1:38:03.880 --> 1:38:05.200 if you don't get the fuck up out of my 1:38:05.280 --> 1:38:06.080 car right now. 1:38:06.520 --> 1:38:08.479 You turned down after that, though, didn't you ate? 1:38:09.439 --> 1:38:13.040 It was it was nothing as important as far as us, 1:38:13.200 --> 1:38:18.599 as far as that that scenario as that that that movie, 1:38:19.360 --> 1:38:22.040 everything else was like bullshit. So I didn't want to 1:38:22.040 --> 1:38:22.240 do No. 1:38:22.520 --> 1:38:24.760 That movie is a statement. Man. That's a great movie. 1:38:24.840 --> 1:38:27.160 It's just a good It's just a great movie, Chris, 1:38:27.360 --> 1:38:29.640 because it's also like real life, like the way I 1:38:29.800 --> 1:38:30.120 want to. 1:38:32.439 --> 1:38:34.000 I didn't want to be a Watch the Wire. 1:38:34.080 --> 1:38:37.360 It's like similar in a way because what it showed 1:38:37.400 --> 1:38:40.120 you in that movie is like there there is no 1:38:40.200 --> 1:38:44.160 real justice. The straight murderer o Dog gets away obody. 1:38:44.200 --> 1:38:46.600 He was trying to turn the turn the corner and 1:38:46.640 --> 1:38:49.320 do the right thing. He got smoke. And that's the 1:38:49.320 --> 1:38:52.400 way sh it is. There is no right or wrong. 1:38:52.439 --> 1:38:54.679 It ain't always gonna work the way it's supposed to work. 1:38:54.720 --> 1:38:56.800 And I thought that that was classical. Like in the Wire, 1:38:57.120 --> 1:39:00.880 when the little motherfucker killed Omar, right you never know, 1:39:01.240 --> 1:39:03.599 you know, there's no real rules and how it's gonna happen. 1:39:03.640 --> 1:39:06.240 That's what I thought was great about it because there 1:39:06.280 --> 1:39:08.240 was no moral to the movie. 1:39:08.760 --> 1:39:09.840 Right, I love it. 1:39:09.880 --> 1:39:12.120 I love about it. That was bug. 1:39:12.720 --> 1:39:13.960 Did you ever watch The Wire eight? 1:39:15.040 --> 1:39:16.520 I've seen it. 1:39:16.600 --> 1:39:18.680 The little bitty dude, the dude that was put me 1:39:18.720 --> 1:39:21.439 in all that work, man, a little bitty kid came 1:39:21.439 --> 1:39:22.439 and smoked him at the end. 1:39:23.120 --> 1:39:26.519 Yeah, little dude, a little like fourteen year old smoked him. 1:39:26.800 --> 1:39:28.640 Because it's like, you know, when it's your time, at 1:39:28.640 --> 1:39:31.040 your time, and it's not going to always work that way. 1:39:31.320 --> 1:39:34.200 And when somebody feel like I could step in them shoes, 1:39:34.680 --> 1:39:35.360 it's show time. 1:39:36.160 --> 1:39:39.600 It's I mean, look, man, I know you've been to 1:39:39.680 --> 1:39:41.519 a lot of crazy places, but I've been there when 1:39:41.520 --> 1:39:43.880 the when the bullets went by and they didn't hit me, 1:39:43.920 --> 1:39:45.479 and it was if it was my day, it was 1:39:45.520 --> 1:39:48.559 my day, it wasn't my dad. I'm fucking lucky, man. No, 1:39:48.640 --> 1:39:50.120 it's fucking life. 1:39:50.880 --> 1:39:53.120 You just take life for what it is, man, Try 1:39:53.160 --> 1:39:56.719 to walk in that, in that in that light to where, hey, 1:39:57.320 --> 1:39:59.880 I can't control what happened. You know what I'm saying? 1:40:00.640 --> 1:40:02.000 Are you for good now? 1:40:02.800 --> 1:40:04.280 Yeah, I live in l A. I've been here for 1:40:04.280 --> 1:40:07.000 for six years. In February, I still have a place 1:40:07.040 --> 1:40:08.360 in New York, but I stay in l A. I 1:40:08.439 --> 1:40:11.439 like l A. L A Is. I hate Winter Bro, 1:40:11.680 --> 1:40:14.400 I hate Winter. I don't like that ship. And one 1:40:14.439 --> 1:40:16.120 day I was like, you know what, I don't got 1:40:16.120 --> 1:40:18.040 to live in New York and be dealing with winter 1:40:18.080 --> 1:40:19.040 no more. So I moved to l A. 1:40:19.880 --> 1:40:21.400 Like, you got a lot of dope. You got a 1:40:21.400 --> 1:40:23.559 lot of dope, fast stuff going on, man, And I'm 1:40:24.400 --> 1:40:26.559 no eight Field the same. You got a home here, man, 1:40:26.600 --> 1:40:27.200 You work from here? 1:40:30.720 --> 1:40:34.360 Yeah, you know, I'm out here, man, I live out here, 1:40:35.080 --> 1:40:37.040 you know, working in a lot of film and TV. 1:40:37.160 --> 1:40:40.960 Ship right now. I sold the screenplay the lions Gate. 1:40:42.040 --> 1:40:44.479 I'm doing it. I'm working on a project with Ice 1:40:45.760 --> 1:40:47.760 that I will talk to you guys about in a 1:40:47.800 --> 1:40:50.680 minute because I need to get eight on camera in it. 1:40:50.680 --> 1:40:55.479 It's it's basically everything before n w A. So it's 1:40:55.560 --> 1:40:58.200 the story of how it got to that. So from 1:40:58.439 --> 1:41:02.800 Uncle Jam's Army to my cola and swap me the 1:41:02.880 --> 1:41:06.840 torrents and the whole shit. So you know, we got 1:41:06.880 --> 1:41:08.720 we finally got the funding for it. So as I 1:41:08.760 --> 1:41:11.160 get into shooting it next year, I'm gonna want to 1:41:11.200 --> 1:41:14.800 sit you guys down and and talk about because to me, like, 1:41:14.960 --> 1:41:20.080 and this is just my favorite rappers from LA, Like 1:41:20.160 --> 1:41:22.800 we're always like you know, obviously there's Cube and everyone, 1:41:22.800 --> 1:41:25.880 but there's always you and King T were like the motherfuckers. 1:41:25.920 --> 1:41:28.679 I was like, and and you guys got your records 1:41:28.680 --> 1:41:31.920 played in New York. It was like uncanny. We was bumping. 1:41:32.200 --> 1:41:34.040 Doc got a ship bump in New York too, But 1:41:34.200 --> 1:41:37.840 they played your guys records like side by side with 1:41:37.880 --> 1:41:39.960 all our records, and that ship, to me is so cool. 1:41:40.360 --> 1:41:42.400 You know, we listen to your music, man, We've been 1:41:42.439 --> 1:41:44.360 listening to it from when it came out. So I 1:41:44.400 --> 1:41:46.679 want to at some point see you down when we're shooting, 1:41:47.040 --> 1:41:48.960 and I want to interview because I want to get 1:41:49.000 --> 1:41:52.479 your perspective on how it all got to where it 1:41:52.520 --> 1:41:55.160 came from, you know, from from because you know what 1:41:55.360 --> 1:41:59.720 Uncle Jam's army was going, and Mycola records just pop in. 1:42:00.360 --> 1:42:03.479 Corny ass King Keith, I mean corny ass Young MC 1:42:03.640 --> 1:42:06.960 and Tone locas out there. They were making hit records. 1:42:07.240 --> 1:42:09.800 And Ton Locu is a real one. He's not a sucker. 1:42:10.000 --> 1:42:12.040 So I just think the whole ship is kind of interesting. 1:42:12.120 --> 1:42:12.280 You know. 1:42:12.439 --> 1:42:20.479 So that's that's a crypt exactly for sure. That's all good. 1:42:20.520 --> 1:42:22.599 Let's make it happen. That's doing. 1:42:22.680 --> 1:42:25.720 Man. Look, you guys got my math. Anytime you want 1:42:25.720 --> 1:42:29.000 to holler, I'm here whatever you guys need, Man, I'm 1:42:29.240 --> 1:42:30.800 I'm always here. So let me know. 1:42:33.720 --> 1:42:36.800 We appreciate you coming through, Bron. 1:42:37.160 --> 1:42:40.120 You're on Twitter a lot, right I'm on Twitter, Instagram. 1:42:40.200 --> 1:42:42.640 I'll be talking about fuck trump Ship. I'm on my 1:42:42.640 --> 1:42:45.439 my fucking Nipsey Hustle fuck trump Ship right now, you know. 1:42:45.640 --> 1:42:48.160 But you know so, so if that drives you crazy, 1:42:48.160 --> 1:42:49.680 you don't look at my Instagram right now you be 1:42:49.720 --> 1:42:50.400 mad because I'm. 1:42:50.600 --> 1:42:52.760 Y'all make sure man, y'all hit my man up. Man, 1:42:52.800 --> 1:42:54.719 this is history record wister Instagram. 1:42:54.720 --> 1:42:57.919 Bro Aunty Ross at at Instagram. 1:42:58.040 --> 1:43:01.840 It's my name Ross Instagram. Man, that's another against the chronicles. Man, 1:43:02.000 --> 1:43:07.559 We're gonna hoigher at your cats next week. M hm