1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:01,680 Speaker 1: That's the Chronicals. 2 00:00:01,920 --> 00:00:05,000 Speaker 2: He gonna tell you how we go. 3 00:00:04,680 --> 00:00:12,560 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Gangster Chronicles podcast, the production of iHeart 4 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:14,560 Speaker 1: Radio and Black Effect Podcast Network. 5 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 2: That's how I got So that's how I got so 6 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:23,800 Speaker 2: cool with a lot of New York artists, man, because 7 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 2: regardless of what was going on, Man, I got a 8 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:32,240 Speaker 2: lot of respect from a lot of New York artists 9 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 2: and vice versa. So you know, I was never into 10 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 2: the bullshit. You know, I used to fuck with niggas 11 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 2: like uh, Pete and Premiere and early Nis before he 12 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:47,839 Speaker 2: came out. We all used to hang out with the 13 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:50,559 Speaker 2: Premier man in the white MPV van and he used 14 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 2: to pick me up and roll me around, take me 15 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 2: to the crib. And so that's how I got familiar 16 00:00:56,960 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 2: hanging out with him and people like Tretch and Ship 17 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 2: like that on each coach. 18 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:04,760 Speaker 3: So respect do makes sense? I know, I know you 19 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:06,759 Speaker 3: fuck with Prima. I knew that I seen Preme bring 20 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 3: you out at summer Steads in New York. But I 21 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:11,320 Speaker 3: knew he was fucking with him back in the day 22 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:14,119 Speaker 3: because you know Primes, my Man and Pete and all them. 23 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, prem brought me the bb Kings one time. Crazy 24 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:21,760 Speaker 2: He brought me out to do some stuff with Black Poet. 25 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 3: Uh. 26 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 2: Like I said, anytime I would go to New York 27 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:30,120 Speaker 2: on the promo run or anything like that, ship I 28 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 2: would call Primo and Premo pick us up. Primo introduced 29 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:35,959 Speaker 2: me to Swisher sweets Man blunts. 30 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:40,039 Speaker 3: And crazy crazy because to me, the Swishers, that's like, yeah, 31 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:42,040 Speaker 3: the Swishers to l A, we do. We did Philly 32 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:44,480 Speaker 3: We did Phillies back then, and then moved to the 33 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 3: Dutch Master. Yeah, the White House really really L's. 34 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 2: And I smoked my first blunt with Primo. Man. He 35 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 2: introduced me. When I came back the La probably like 36 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 2: eighty nine ninety Nigga, I ran straight to Save Vins 37 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 2: and it was Billy blunts man. And I've been smoking 38 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:09,960 Speaker 2: blunts ever since. Man. 39 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:12,919 Speaker 3: La was always CALLI to me was always eight people 40 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:15,399 Speaker 3: smoke zags because New York we never have We don't 41 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 3: have orange Jaggs. We didn't have them to way later. 42 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 3: We had Bam Boo back in. 43 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:21,920 Speaker 2: The day, right, we had the zags and shit. So 44 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:23,919 Speaker 2: that's how we used to get all smoke on. And 45 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 2: then once I came back from New York, I'm like, 46 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 2: I ain't never smoking that shit, no more big factory blunts. 47 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:34,679 Speaker 2: Niggas stuffed their motherfuckers and just be smoking all day 48 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 2: like a big ass Cuban cigar. But just you know, shit, 49 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 2: So definitely got love for New York. 50 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 3: You know, I'm like you, like I always like LA 51 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:47,239 Speaker 3: was always cool to me. I never I never felt 52 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 3: none of that fun because you know, I've been fucking 53 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 3: with mugs and Cypruss came out since they was seven 54 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 3: eight three, and you know be Real was named Louis, 55 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 3: so you know what I mean, Like I knew them 56 00:02:56,919 --> 00:02:59,240 Speaker 3: from back then. So to me, like that was always 57 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:01,520 Speaker 3: my people in LA when I came to LA, always 58 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 3: felling with mugs and b relling them. So to me, 59 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 3: LA was always cool. 60 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 1: Definitely. That's crazy, man. You know what, this would be 61 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:11,079 Speaker 1: a dope ass show just listening to you and a 62 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 1: tell those stories man about back in the day. Two legends, 63 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 1: just building man reminiscent. What's happening to my people? It's 64 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 1: another episode against the Chronicles podcast with m C eight 65 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 1: and myself Norm Steele. Tonight we have legendary a n 66 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:28,240 Speaker 1: R DNTE Ross in the building. Now Dante Ross signed 67 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 1: a whole bunch of dope people, and he telling us 68 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 1: some real dope stories, you know, like he talked about 69 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 1: Big Daddy came putting hands on Slick Rick. But it 70 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 1: ain't all about that. If you in your car, let 71 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 1: you seek back and recline back. If you at home 72 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 1: for yourself a drinking your favorite beverage and shake out 73 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 1: this dope conversation. 74 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 3: Hey, I'm right here, man, I'm for it. You know 75 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 3: I was. I was always a fan of the way 76 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 3: you wrap the off beat on Beach style. That was 77 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 3: always charged to me. You know who took me under? 78 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 3: Was that was you know, we love that record in 79 00:03:57,080 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 3: New York and it was fucking with that. 80 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they banged it took me under in New York. 81 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 2: All that that early music to drive by Ship. 82 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, that was my ship. That shit was funky. I 83 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 3: like because y'all also had like you had, like you 84 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 3: had the Lee Dorsey joint, Like you had a lot 85 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 3: of breaks, Like I think Noon was doing it, but 86 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 3: you was using a lot of ill breaks. 87 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 2: Slip was doing a lot of that. You know, the 88 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:23,480 Speaker 2: meter and le Dosh all that Slip. Slip was one 89 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 2: of those digging the crates type of DJ. 90 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:28,279 Speaker 3: So, yeah, he had to give it up joint the 91 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 3: Lee Dorset Ship. When I when I heard that, I 92 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 3: was like, Oh, these motherfuckers got records. 93 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 1: Over here, definitely, and you produced to right down to 94 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 1: you don't produce a Yeah, I don't produce anymore, but 95 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 1: you know I did for a long time. 96 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I always had my hand that ship with 97 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:44,280 Speaker 3: like whether it was Poobab Brand, Nubian or Third Base, 98 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:47,599 Speaker 3: whoever was. Oh, I was this ship. And then later 99 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:50,600 Speaker 3: on I did. I did bigger alternative records. I produced 100 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 3: ever last solo record shit like that. 101 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:55,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, that every last record was huged, man, for those people. 102 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 1: You know, we're not gonna do the standard introduction cause 103 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 1: I'm like just sitting back here, like y'all do we 104 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 1: have A and R legs? And you know when people 105 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:05,040 Speaker 1: it was really A and R records, A real A 106 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 1: and R, real record man, Dante Ross Man, we appreciate 107 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 1: you coming on man. 108 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 3: Man, it's a pleasure to be here. Man. 109 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, we will continue on with this dope conversation man, 110 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 1: because I think your contribution to hip hop, because both 111 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 1: of y'all contribution to hip hop, man is very understated, man. 112 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:25,040 Speaker 1: And I think I listened to people give people props, 113 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 1: and I don't you know, everybody don't deserve the props 114 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 1: that they necessarily get because a lot of people take 115 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:31,839 Speaker 1: credit for stuff that they didn't do. But you really 116 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 1: had a hand and this stuff. I think that's what 117 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 1: made you real special is you. 118 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 3: Had a hand with it. Had I mean, I love 119 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 3: I love the music, so you know what I mean. 120 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 3: I grew up like loving music my whole life. I 121 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:45,480 Speaker 3: never knew what I was gonna do, and then somehow 122 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 3: I lucked in the music business because our friends who 123 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 3: was you know, was getting on, was popping, Like I 124 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 3: grew up with the beasties and and all that, so 125 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 3: being around it, man, I was just so lucky that 126 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 3: not have to fucking do construction anymore and fucking all 127 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:00,280 Speaker 3: the bullshit I was doing. So for me, it was 128 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 3: always like music first, all the other shit the second. 129 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:05,160 Speaker 1: You know what I mean, Yeah, for sure, I bet 130 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 1: you feel like you never worked a day in your life. 131 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:09,599 Speaker 3: Then, Yeah, it's crazy to say that because I always 132 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 3: say that I've never had a real job. I was like, 133 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 3: I don't really know what that's like. I just know 134 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:15,360 Speaker 3: how to do what I do, and somehow I managed 135 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:17,159 Speaker 3: to make it, you know, work for me. You know, 136 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:20,159 Speaker 3: I got lucky, man, you know, and everyone doesn't get lucky. 137 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:25,040 Speaker 3: Doing an R is so overrated in a sense because 138 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:28,159 Speaker 3: most people who love music have good taste. You know. 139 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:29,799 Speaker 3: I was just lucky enough to be in the spot 140 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:32,600 Speaker 3: to open the door for some people, you know, and 141 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:35,480 Speaker 3: keep my spot. But you know, it's like a lot 142 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 3: of A and R people are just we're really just 143 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 3: glorified super fans. We're not that much more than that. 144 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 3: You know, people get people get super gassed on that shit, 145 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 3: but it ain't really all that. 146 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:47,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, I was an A and R seven years, man, 147 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 1: I did it for seven years, the mind of music 148 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 1: published and always tell people I was a guy that 149 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:53,360 Speaker 1: had a pin with no ink in it. 150 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 3: I feel you, man, I mean amount of great shit 151 00:06:56,839 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 3: that people. You know, my boss wouldn't let me sign 152 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 3: sup so because there's kill him then, Like I wanted 153 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 3: to sign them, and he was like, we're not going 154 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 3: to put that record out and I was like, for real, 155 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:07,479 Speaker 3: I could have signed him. So that's like, you know, 156 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 3: and there's always so many that tells me what you 157 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 3: can and can't do, and this shit is just stupid, 158 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 3: you know, the motherfuckers you don't really know the culture 159 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 3: want to tell you what to do. 160 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, I got a big one. So these people from 161 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 1: England had a bag of money. They owned a lot 162 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 1: of catalog. They actually owned the Chocolate Dyte record. They 163 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 1: actually made all their money from sample. They owned that record, right, 164 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 1: and they had that Yard Born people. Was a bunch 165 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 1: of gap band stuff. So they you know, they talked 166 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 1: to me and I actually met them clearing the sample. 167 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 1: I was cleaning the sample for Glasses album and they 168 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 1: were asking me who did the production on the records, right? 169 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, we did all this stuff ourselves. 170 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 1: So I met with him in La and next thing 171 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 1: you know, I had the job. Right. They were telling 172 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 1: me they moved me to the office in LA. So 173 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 1: my boy top Dog from TV, he hits me up, man, 174 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 1: this is maybe two thousand and six, This is real early, 175 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 1: like two thousand and six, two thousand and seven, he says, 176 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 1: hey man, And at that point he only got I 177 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 1: think he has. He got Kendrick, he got Jay Rock, 178 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 1: he got Apps, so he got school Boy Q. That 179 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 1: was the whole TD roster, right. They were doing this 180 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 1: stuff out the back of the roage and Carson and 181 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 1: I knew he had some shit. Like you said, we're 182 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 1: fans of music. I said, man, this dude got some shit, man, 183 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 1: and this Kadi kid is unbelievable. You know. He had 184 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 1: all these big words and stuff. He didn't wrap like 185 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 1: the normal sixteen year old. So he came to me 186 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 1: and said, hey, steal, see if I got to put 187 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 1: some money in these guys pocket. They getting askedy, see 188 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 1: if you can give me a publishing deal for about 189 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty two hundred, not that much money. 190 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 1: I went up and asked him. They about laughed me 191 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 1: out the office. They said, these people have no analytics. 192 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 1: What are we just giving money away? You know that? No, no, no, 193 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 1: And the funny part about it. They hit me two 194 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 1: years later, Hey man, you think we can still do 195 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:46,199 Speaker 1: that deal? I said, yeah, right, No. 196 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:49,440 Speaker 3: An or means analytics and research. Now that's all that 197 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 3: should mean. People reading numbers on paper, you know, and 198 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 3: that's that doing shit like that, you'll find you might 199 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 3: find a fly by night record of a one off artist, 200 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 3: but you ain't finding an artist I got, like a 201 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 3: career artist. You're not going to find somebody who's around 202 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 3: forever that way. That's just you're gonna find that one 203 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:07,679 Speaker 3: thing that's lightning in a bottle, but you're not going 204 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:10,440 Speaker 3: to find a great one like that very rarely. Man. 205 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, collectively, all those four guys man have all sold upwards. 206 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:17,679 Speaker 1: I always keep kind of saying, man, these dudes are 207 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 1: so like men twenty twenty five million records collectively, you know. 208 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 3: I mean kay Dot when he was just a pen 209 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 3: like you know, before section eighty. I remember he had 210 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 3: the mixtapes out. He was just writing for Dre and 211 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:32,559 Speaker 3: that's how he got plugged in. You know, he was 212 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 3: one of his writers. And he's like to me, like, 213 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 3: because the era that that we come from, you know, 214 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 3: most a lot of disraption now couldn't hold water back 215 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:45,359 Speaker 3: in that era in the nineties or early two thousands. 216 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:48,199 Speaker 3: You know, Kendrick could hold water back then. He's dope 217 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 3: like he would have been dope back then. Where a 218 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 3: lot of these dudes is coming. You know, it's it's 219 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:55,360 Speaker 3: cool for now, it ain't really cool for like the 220 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 3: standards that like we have, you know what I mean, 221 00:09:57,160 --> 00:10:00,960 Speaker 3: it's a little different, you know because because lyrics don't like, 222 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 3: rapping doesn't really count like that anymore, say any ghibli. 223 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, the standard of what we I guess uh stood 224 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 2: on when it came hip hop or whatever. Uh it 225 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:19,560 Speaker 2: was a bigger standard that we took. We took pride, 226 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:23,840 Speaker 2: and that's how I try to tell motherfuckers. We took 227 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:29,080 Speaker 2: pride in making songs, you get me. We didn't take 228 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 2: pride and just coming out rapping. You getting anybody do it? 229 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 2: S not that, not that, not the clown. But we 230 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 2: had ship like you know, we had rappers, and we 231 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 2: had MC's who made songs. Right, those are the type 232 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:48,680 Speaker 2: of artists who you look up today and they're still 233 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 2: able to do a concert or or put out a 234 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:54,960 Speaker 2: single or video or whatever. Because we were able to 235 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 2: uh uh stand the test of time because of the 236 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 2: pride we took. You get nobody. Nobody wanted to release 237 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:07,080 Speaker 2: no whack ship to be on the radio, you get me. 238 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 2: And yeah, you could have made a mixed show or whatever, 239 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 2: but the pride of your song made you go fuck that. 240 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 2: I'm a really records, you get me? 241 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 3: You don't, you know? The standard of rapping it it 242 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 3: it's like the bar has been lowered, right, and everything's 243 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 3: supposed to go up. Like we look at sports right 244 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 3: like I'm a basketball fanatic motherfuckers are so athletic and 245 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 3: incredible now, right, But rapping did the opposite that the 246 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:39,560 Speaker 3: bar got lowered for you're like really like, I mean, it's. 247 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:41,200 Speaker 2: A lot of a lot of the motherfuckers because you know, 248 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 2: the the the average fan of rap music changed and 249 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 2: it's simple and what I tell niggas all the time, 250 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 2: you're smart, motherfucker, but sometimes to be long and to 251 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 2: put yourself in a different element, you dumb yourself down. 252 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 3: You get you make it simpler, easier, more palatable. 253 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:08,080 Speaker 2: And that's what motherfuckers start doing. They start dumbing themselves 254 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 2: down to the to the music because everybody not gonna 255 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 2: understand a hood took me under or self explanatory niggas 256 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 2: struggling or you know, a growing up in the hood. Uh, simplified. 257 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:27,960 Speaker 2: Everybody gonna understand, get your gun, make you some money, 258 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:30,080 Speaker 2: and shoot and fuck bitches. 259 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 3: You get me the moneyfuck bitches. That's shit kind of 260 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 3: like yeah, everyone got that, everyone gets that, but motherfucker's. 261 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:39,560 Speaker 2: Gonna you know, but what's your story behind? And I 262 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:41,840 Speaker 2: think that's where it changed, because a lot of niggas 263 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 2: was like, man, I'm not trying to make no motherfucking 264 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 2: song that I look up thirty years from now, they 265 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 2: gonna be still talking about growing up in the hood 266 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 2: or hood took me under shit, nigga, I'm trying to 267 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 2: make some shit right now, quick fast, in the hurry, 268 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 2: and then get it over with. And so a lot 269 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 2: of artists dumb themselves down because they want to be simplified, 270 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:05,960 Speaker 2: because a lot of motherfuckers can't get the history of 271 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:08,960 Speaker 2: hip hop. You're getting me. That's why they're always talking 272 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:13,439 Speaker 2: about trying to cancel out or or or the age 273 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:17,280 Speaker 2: difference or you're getting because they don't want to give 274 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:21,960 Speaker 2: respect to the fact that motherfucker's like you would be 275 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 2: and Steel and whoever, we still can sustain in this 276 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:29,959 Speaker 2: business if we wanted to, because that's how deep history 277 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:32,720 Speaker 2: we had as far as our music is concerned. You 278 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 2: put out a song today and nigg ain't gonna remember that, 279 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 2: motherfucker past two weeks. 280 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:38,439 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's crazy you say that, because I'm always like 281 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:42,680 Speaker 3: a song, last day, album, last week now exactly is 282 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:45,600 Speaker 3: just you know, and we got like I call it 283 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 3: swag rap, you know, dudes, just like they think they 284 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 3: got their cute little song and they got their swag 285 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 3: on and all that the music's not popping, like it's 286 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:55,680 Speaker 3: cool for five minutes, you know, And we always had 287 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 3: a little bit of that, and then you got to 288 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 3: do too Like there's always been also this out of 289 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 3: wrap dudes, like they're not crazy spinners, but they got 290 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:06,680 Speaker 3: like a sauce to him, right, like too short, too short, 291 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 3: a rock in, but he got sauce, you know what 292 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 3: I mean, saucy, you know what I mean. 293 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 2: He he sustains his group because he's stuck to his format. 294 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 3: You get he was always too short a. 295 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 2: Little bit when I'm gonna go down with Atlanta and 296 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 2: get me a little little John and sprinkle out on there. 297 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 2: But the concept is still gonna be money, ass and 298 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 2: pussy and bitches. It's still say the same concept. You 299 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 2: get me. I'm not I'm not gonna go into an 300 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 2: element to where what ship I think I'm gonna be 301 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 2: a fucking Kendrick on this record or Drake or I 302 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 2: think I'm gonna be at No. I'm gonna stick to 303 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 2: the format that's been working for me for the last 304 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 2: thirty years. And he gonna call him, he gonna say bitch, 305 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 2: and he gonna say, pop that pussy and give me 306 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 2: some money. And every motherfucker who listened to him from 307 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 2: back in eighty seven is gonna bang his ship today 308 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 2: because he's sticking to the same form. Me. He ain't changed, 309 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 2: and I. 310 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 3: Can respect that. I respect that he saucy. You know. 311 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 3: It's like nowadays it's a cookie cutter. Everybody want to 312 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 3: be like the next dude. Everyone raps like the next man. 313 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 3: A dude has a hit over here like this, and 314 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 3: dude's trying to make that same song. You know. When 315 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 3: we you know, back in the day, it was like 316 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 3: you can't bite that's you know, you're sucker. 317 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 2: Yeah that was right, there was a sucker ship. Yeah, 318 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 2: that was just for us back then. 319 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 3: Uh, right in the day, you just not you know man. 320 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 3: And like I don't always want to say everything's back 321 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:46,560 Speaker 3: now because there's a lot of shit I like, you know, 322 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 3: like I went to the show last week. I want 323 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 3: to see Earl Sweatshirt at the Novo and and this 324 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 3: shit was dope, Like he was. It was dope, you know, 325 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 3: seeing Alchemists and Rock Marshy and all that shit. That 326 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 3: shit was dope to me, you know. So there's still 327 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:00,200 Speaker 3: a lot of shit I like, like Larry you and 328 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 3: is ill there's a lot of shit. I like, still, 329 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 3: you just got to dig deeper. It's like it's like 330 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 3: digging for record. You gotta just go a little. 331 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 2: Shit because we don't get as popular, we don't get 332 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 2: as you know, promoted as we used to and not 333 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 2: to say back then was good, but you still had 334 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 2: the mighty power machine, the Sony's in the universes behind you, 335 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 2: and you might have not got to the motherfucking Hollywood Bowl, 336 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 2: but you got to the motherfucking Hollywood Palladium, you get right, right, 337 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 2: You get me that we might have didn't play the form, 338 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 2: but we got to play the Novo Downtown or the 339 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 2: Key Tight in Holly, right, right right, So we were 340 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 2: able to get put on a better pedestal than nowadays. 341 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:48,640 Speaker 2: It's like, I don't want to go to that motherfucking show. 342 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 2: You get me, like, you don't. 343 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 3: Know shows he's so wack half the time. Now it's 344 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:56,320 Speaker 3: like dudes rap over their vocals and is like karaoke, 345 00:16:56,920 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 3: you know, just like a garbage like dude is just going 346 00:16:59,880 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 3: on over the vocals, not really rapping like a live 347 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 3: performances plummeted it is. And then you know there's still 348 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:08,959 Speaker 3: guys who you know, Earl was killing it like Tyler 349 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:12,359 Speaker 3: kills it. There's people who still still kill it. You know. 350 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:16,119 Speaker 3: I saw Naves with fucking Wu Tang in Orange County, 351 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 3: like when it was out a little while ago. Ship 352 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:20,280 Speaker 3: was funky, you know what I mean? But you got 353 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 3: you got a lot of shit that's not funky right now. 354 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:25,159 Speaker 3: And and you know, even like doing A and R 355 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:27,440 Speaker 3: so like I have my own label with rock Nation now, 356 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:29,679 Speaker 3: But before I had this, I was I worked at 357 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 3: for Warner Music Group, and you know, I was like 358 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 3: chasing things with numbers because I was my job. And 359 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:37,399 Speaker 3: I signed a couple of things that like hit, but 360 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:40,119 Speaker 3: I was like, motherfuckers, I want to be in the studio. 361 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 3: This dude this record, he got one record, Like I know, 362 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 3: this a problem again, And you just know that it's 363 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 3: not a career artist. And when you start doing shit 364 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 3: like that, that's when you got to change what you do. 365 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:50,200 Speaker 3: That should just ain't feel good? 366 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:52,600 Speaker 1: Is that? You know what's funny? You said you was 367 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:54,800 Speaker 1: at the rock Marsh. 368 00:17:55,760 --> 00:18:01,159 Speaker 3: Yeah me and supposed to be there. Yeah yeah, I 369 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 3: heard that because I fuck with what fuck with rock? 370 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:07,439 Speaker 3: He lived right near me, like, but also his manager, 371 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 3: Robble is like one of my best friends, Selim, So 372 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:12,400 Speaker 3: I fucking Rock all the time. Rock is ill. He's 373 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 3: to me like he's the coldest. He's cold. He raps 374 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:22,159 Speaker 3: really fucking good, like he just you know, he he 375 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:24,960 Speaker 3: he got it. He got the mojo where a lot 376 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 3: of cats don't have it. Right now, I mean, you 377 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 3: and Rock together will be ill. I need to hear 378 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 3: that that shouldn't be fun. 379 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, we're trying to put some stuff together right now, 380 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:35,680 Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. So you know it's certain, 381 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 2: it's certain. I guess artists people can respect and when 382 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 2: they link up and click up, it's something worthy of, 383 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:46,400 Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. Like anytime I see Alchemist 384 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 2: put something out, I mean, oh it's worthy. You get me. 385 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:51,199 Speaker 3: It's just to. 386 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 2: It's just dude who still have that passion? You get me? Right? 387 00:18:58,400 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 1: Yeah? 388 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:01,439 Speaker 3: I mean Alice like he's like, you know, he's like 389 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 3: everyone's sun. Like I knew since she was a little kid, 390 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:06,640 Speaker 3: like he was in the hooligans. He choked it up 391 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 3: like you know what I mean, he was born in 392 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 3: the ship. 393 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:12,679 Speaker 2: Like man, I started fucking with alchemists man back in 394 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 2: when I didn't even know Alchemists I was listening to 395 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:18,960 Speaker 2: you know, Ship that he was doing with Prodigy in 396 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:22,040 Speaker 2: them you know, you know, and then for him to 397 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 2: come out and he started rapping and busting, and then 398 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 2: I started seeing older ship when he was a kid. 399 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:28,960 Speaker 1: I was this is tight. 400 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:32,439 Speaker 2: So anytime we fucked with, anytime he calls me and 401 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 2: be like, hey, I need you to come do something. 402 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:36,440 Speaker 2: I think I did two records with Alchemists. 403 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:38,679 Speaker 3: Yeah I heard, I heard him before. I remember, I 404 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:41,640 Speaker 3: know you Yeah, yeah, I mean you guys did one 405 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 3: that was crazy. You want to recollect, you want to 406 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:46,120 Speaker 3: recommend Action Bronson. 407 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 2: Bronson. And then I was on a record with Spice one. 408 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:55,199 Speaker 3: He did yeah, yeah, yeah that's crazy Spice Wheer you 409 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 3: had an album back in the day. 410 00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 2: Right, We had two little collaboration albums. And then once 411 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 2: Alchemist started his label. Uh, I did two singles for Alchemists. 412 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:08,360 Speaker 2: Uh tight, Like I said, he he's one of them 413 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:11,119 Speaker 2: that's got that got that sound man that you just 414 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:14,160 Speaker 2: and and now they you know, like you said, they 415 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:17,400 Speaker 2: got that team of the Larry June's and the Rock 416 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 2: Marciano's and all of that, so they they creating that 417 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:24,360 Speaker 2: flavor which is which is I think is appreciated by 418 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 2: old school hip hop heads, you get. 419 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 3: Like we fuck with it. But I was at the 420 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 3: show Man. There was a lot of youngsters there. It 421 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 3: was cool as hell. I was like, there's a lot 422 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:36,479 Speaker 3: of you know, little little twenty year old eighteen year 423 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:36,959 Speaker 3: olds in here. 424 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:40,679 Speaker 2: He brought uh, he brought hit Boy out and hit 425 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 2: Boy performed. 426 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, James out there. 427 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:51,080 Speaker 2: Even he got a song called Slipping and he and 428 00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 2: they he hit Boy performed it. So yeah, he had 429 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:58,639 Speaker 2: everybody there like kind of putting on dope. Yeah, it 430 00:20:58,680 --> 00:20:59,400 Speaker 2: was super dope. 431 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:01,879 Speaker 3: It was it was it was shit. It was my 432 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 3: birthday to that day, so I went. I went with 433 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:06,080 Speaker 3: my people. It was fucking great. I saw Rocket. It 434 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 3: was really cool. And that to me is like that's 435 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 3: maybe the pocket of hip hop that is interesting to 436 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:15,199 Speaker 3: me still. You know, like but they shit everywhere, like 437 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:17,679 Speaker 3: even I look to like the South, like like I 438 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:20,359 Speaker 3: like Jid and earth Gang and Kenny Mason, all the 439 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 3: dudes in Atlanta. The dudes rapped good too. Man, There's 440 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 3: there's still rappers who really rap. You just got to 441 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:26,359 Speaker 3: look harder for it, man, you know. 442 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 2: Ye earth Gang is pretty cool down in Atlanta. Yeah, 443 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:33,200 Speaker 2: how bangs them a lot. 444 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:35,400 Speaker 3: I mean, what's fucked up is that New York, which 445 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 3: should be like really still pushing the culture, really just 446 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:41,600 Speaker 3: tried to jump on being like everywhere else, which is 447 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:44,720 Speaker 3: like super disappointing because you know, like New York had, 448 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:46,960 Speaker 3: you know, they always pushed the boundaries. I don't say 449 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:49,200 Speaker 3: that was the most progressive, but you know a lot 450 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:51,639 Speaker 3: of a lot of very forward thinking, great music in 451 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:53,959 Speaker 3: from New York, and it's just not doing it's not 452 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:57,919 Speaker 3: doing that right now. New York. Yeah, well you know 453 00:21:57,960 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 3: it's the mecca of it, but you know, New York 454 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:02,680 Speaker 3: not It's not a leader anymore New York. New York 455 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:04,879 Speaker 3: was trying to be Atlanta for like the last decade. 456 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 1: But what happened is when you start seeing Brooklyn Drill 457 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 1: and all this other stuff. We talk about it all 458 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 1: the time. Man, it's real microwave right now. You see 459 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:16,160 Speaker 1: some of these girls like rapping, and you start thinking 460 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:19,679 Speaker 1: about the Queen Latifas, the mc lights and just you 461 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 1: know that being a female of them, see you's some 462 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:24,719 Speaker 1: really dope female them seas and I look at them 463 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:27,000 Speaker 1: now and it's almost like embarrassing. 464 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:29,679 Speaker 3: I mean female and she's a whole other category like 465 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:33,479 Speaker 3: they just I mean, you know, it's about like showing 466 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 3: they shit and talking about they ship and that whole shit. 467 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 3: It's like just it's been reduced to just a sex 468 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 3: sexist cartoon at this point. It's kind of fucked up. 469 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:45,199 Speaker 3: It was part of us all too is because like 470 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:48,000 Speaker 3: making not sad, but making the Stanley could actually really rap. 471 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:51,080 Speaker 3: She don't really rap, but she can't really rap, you know, 472 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 3: but they just you know, you're getting that box and 473 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 3: that's the box they're gonna keep you in. Brooklyn Drill 474 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:57,680 Speaker 3: is weird to me because I like the kick Cash Cobain, 475 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 3: because I like his spin on it because she was 476 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:03,640 Speaker 3: like he took something that super negative and he made 477 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 3: it kind of fun. But a lot of Brooklyn Drill 478 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:08,680 Speaker 3: she is just terrible. Like the dudes just rapping, just tear. 479 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 3: It's you know, the whole style of punching in every 480 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 3: single bar. It's just not happening to me. So weird 481 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:14,119 Speaker 3: as style. 482 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 1: And when you know what I think happened, man, the 483 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:21,679 Speaker 1: producer got took out the element where hip hop became 484 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 1: easier and more accessible. You think about it now, it's 485 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:26,199 Speaker 1: like if I make a record I was telling eight 486 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 1: the other day. I remember I would have to bring 487 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 1: in a guitar player, a piano player, and this and that. 488 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 1: Now I don't have to do none of that. 489 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 3: I mean technology. Technology is a gift and a curse. 490 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 2: Man. 491 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:42,879 Speaker 3: You know a lot of kids like our fruity loops 492 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:45,440 Speaker 3: and and look like the beauty is it is that 493 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:48,359 Speaker 3: maybe some kid who's from nowhere in his bedroom, who 494 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:50,159 Speaker 3: ain't got shit, can make a hit record and have 495 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:52,360 Speaker 3: a better life. Right, That's the beauty of it. What 496 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 3: the downside is. The downside is a lot of motherfuckers 497 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:57,879 Speaker 3: shouldn't be making music. Is making music like you know, 498 00:23:58,000 --> 00:23:59,919 Speaker 3: and everyone should have made me. 499 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 1: Well what happened to Dante? Is this right? Where you 500 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:07,160 Speaker 1: got that producer that's kind of coaching you and as 501 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,880 Speaker 1: you go along, right like you think about it. Eight 502 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 1: had his own shit going, but he had a producer 503 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:15,840 Speaker 1: in his camp. Well he had Slip, you feel what 504 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 1: I'm saying. He had Slip and they would collaborate together. 505 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:19,960 Speaker 1: Eight is head of a producer too, so they would 506 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:22,240 Speaker 1: get together. They actually learn how to make records together, 507 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:24,200 Speaker 1: and he stayed with the same crew. Eight didn't chase 508 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 1: what was hot. He didn't go get a peak and Timberland. 509 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:28,679 Speaker 1: He kind of stayed in his lane, right, And I 510 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:31,360 Speaker 1: think what's happening today is, like you said, New York 511 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 1: is no longer progressive. It's because they see these records 512 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 1: blowing up in the South. Man, I'm gonna tell you, 513 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 1: the South is not going nowhere. Man, they got a 514 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:41,840 Speaker 1: choke hold the game. It's not gonna change. Hell, it's 515 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:43,639 Speaker 1: the biggest region in the country. You know, when you 516 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 1: start talking about the South, you got to include the 517 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:47,400 Speaker 1: Midwestern there. 518 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 3: You know, right, and stuff from the South to also 519 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 3: travel better than New York music, right, Like southern music 520 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:55,960 Speaker 3: would hit in the Bay Area with hit in La 521 00:24:56,119 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 3: More definitely, Chicago, Detroit, the middle of the country. You know, 522 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 3: motherfucker's in New York. They talked different. It's different, you know, 523 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:07,359 Speaker 3: it's not the same dialects, So it didn't travel as 524 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:09,880 Speaker 3: well New York. Also, you know, nothing other New York 525 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:12,280 Speaker 3: was on its own did too much. Like at one point, 526 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 3: you know, it was too much. And I think that's 527 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:17,480 Speaker 3: what kind of started the the you know, other people's 528 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:19,199 Speaker 3: like fuck New York shit, you know, and it just 529 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:22,080 Speaker 3: kind of like we did it to ourselves. If you 530 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:24,440 Speaker 3: get it, you know. And it's funny too because we 531 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 3: talked about that nineties pocket the early two thousands, before 532 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,199 Speaker 3: all that shit happened with Puff and death Row and 533 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 3: all that bullshit. Motherfuckers was musically fucking with each other 534 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,680 Speaker 3: and it was different sounds, but we respected all the 535 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,600 Speaker 3: all the snoop shit and short in New York, we 536 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:42,520 Speaker 3: was fucking all that. That shit was all cool to us. 537 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,119 Speaker 3: Ugk All that shit was cool to us, and New 538 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:48,480 Speaker 3: York music travel too. Once that happened, shit everything changed, 539 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:50,439 Speaker 3: you know, And I hate to say it, I almost 540 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 3: blamed the dummy down the rat. It started with Mace. 541 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 3: I always think he's the first one to make it 542 00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:59,399 Speaker 3: stupid because it was like, you know, Big was like 543 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:03,200 Speaker 3: the greatest, and then Mace came right after. And Mace 544 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:06,359 Speaker 3: was like he was swag wrapped, like he was rapping 545 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,240 Speaker 3: and kind of it was like almost karaoke. He was 546 00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 3: wrapping off of shit. Every like everyone knew the records 547 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 3: he was using. It just didn't have the creativity and 548 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 3: everyone's seen that hit, and then it was like I 549 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:17,320 Speaker 3: could do it too. 550 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:21,119 Speaker 1: Then we got as dude the nasty rap when he 551 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:21,640 Speaker 1: want to. 552 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:24,040 Speaker 3: He actually can rap. And when he's some children corn. 553 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 3: He actually did rap, you know, like I've seen a 554 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:28,320 Speaker 3: freestyle him the other day. He was rapping good. But 555 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:32,240 Speaker 3: you know that that moment in time, just when it 556 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,240 Speaker 3: changed everything forever. Ship was never the same after that. 557 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, he took it from the They took it from 558 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:47,760 Speaker 2: the natural element, and somebody figured out, let's commercialize this ship, 559 00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:51,399 Speaker 2: and nigga, I'm gonna be I'm gonna be hammer with 560 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:55,399 Speaker 2: the taco bell pants on jumping down getting me like, 561 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:59,560 Speaker 2: somebody figured out, wait a minute, let me commercialize this ship. 562 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:04,400 Speaker 2: Let's use some of those popular commercialized seventies dance records 563 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,960 Speaker 2: and woot the womb. And next thing, you know, it 564 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 2: seemed like the element of creation started changing because, like 565 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:16,879 Speaker 2: you said, now everybody want one of those commercialized you know, 566 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 2: hot ninety seven hits that they can play all day, 567 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:23,800 Speaker 2: and you know, take it from you know, like you said, 568 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,679 Speaker 2: base with the simple records and you know, my bigging 569 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 2: jay Z went to the ABC and you know, h 570 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:33,879 Speaker 2: to the Iszo. Everybody started going, I'm gonna commercialize the 571 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:35,720 Speaker 2: ship and make big bucks. 572 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 3: And you know it's it's it's hard to be like 573 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:43,000 Speaker 3: commercial and still dope right to walk that fence right. 574 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 3: A few people did it. Jay did it. I think 575 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 3: Buster did it sometimes a big pun, right, Snoop, how 576 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:51,879 Speaker 3: do you do that? How do you walk that line 577 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:53,760 Speaker 3: and not not be corny as hell? 578 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:54,440 Speaker 1: Right? 579 00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,800 Speaker 3: Very hard to do man. And some cats did it, well, 580 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:00,199 Speaker 3: a lot of cats did it trash, you know, like 581 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:02,920 Speaker 3: I thought it was, you know, like the d MX 582 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:04,280 Speaker 3: was like interesting. 583 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 2: Snoop saying cuz on T mobile commercials Now, that's so crazy, right, 584 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:14,359 Speaker 2: It's crazy as motherfucker. Somebody, you know, we were sitting 585 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:16,840 Speaker 2: up somewhere. Somebody looked at me and say, did he 586 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:20,280 Speaker 2: just say cuz? And I said, yeah, that's. 587 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:26,240 Speaker 3: So crazy, so crazy. That's just the craziest right. 588 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:29,720 Speaker 2: There, exactly. And knowing from where that that's that that 589 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 2: stem from an all walk of life to hear, you know, 590 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:38,440 Speaker 2: a big ass corporation to the point to where they 591 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,400 Speaker 2: letting the nigga just bang on nigga. 592 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 3: Cuz he was cripping in the Olympics, man, Like you. 593 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 2: Know what I mean, it's it's it's it's Snoop is 594 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:54,360 Speaker 2: the popular, he's the he's the comfortable crip. He makes 595 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:58,040 Speaker 2: everyone feel like, oh game bang and it's cool. Nigga. 596 00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:03,080 Speaker 2: You see Snoop Dogg, He's to meet me, like crazy, 597 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 2: that's that's that's cool to them. 598 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:07,320 Speaker 1: That's cool to me. 599 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:09,680 Speaker 3: I mean it's cool to me on one level because 600 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,960 Speaker 3: I'd rather see Snoop get that checked than someone who's 601 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:15,240 Speaker 3: years after Nigga walk. 602 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,520 Speaker 2: Up till you get the couzin You've been my Oh, 603 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:22,560 Speaker 2: Nigga's finna go down something. But you're like, damn this 604 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:26,840 Speaker 2: Nigga and and eighty million homes talking about eight because 605 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,640 Speaker 2: and move through, and it's like, oh shit, we don't care. 606 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,640 Speaker 2: That's Snoop dog I'm so crazy. 607 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,000 Speaker 3: I mean, you know, being from being from New York, 608 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:36,840 Speaker 3: like when I when I would go to l A 609 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:40,720 Speaker 3: and people people would say hard, I'd be like, oh, ship, motherfuckers, 610 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:42,920 Speaker 3: is really really about that because New York like we 611 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,320 Speaker 3: don't say ship with like eight days. But when that's 612 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:47,520 Speaker 3: I always knew I was in the ship. I was like, Oh, 613 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:49,720 Speaker 3: the motherbucker just said hard. I'm like, oh man, this 614 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:52,200 Speaker 3: is fucking this is the ship over here, buddy. You know, 615 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,040 Speaker 3: I knew Ice Cube back in the day, and I 616 00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 3: had gone to his house a long time ago right 617 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,680 Speaker 3: after it was after Erica's Most Wanted came out and 618 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:03,480 Speaker 3: I want to I want to hang out, and was 619 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:05,920 Speaker 3: like right around that time. And we went to his 620 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:10,120 Speaker 3: house in South Central and his mom made like I 621 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:12,800 Speaker 3: had cereal at his house and I was like, I 622 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:14,280 Speaker 3: was eating food and shit, and I was like this 623 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:16,280 Speaker 3: shit don't look bad. Like I was like, you got 624 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,240 Speaker 3: a house in a yard. Like I'm from New York. 625 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:20,240 Speaker 3: We don't got none of this ship. It was like 626 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 3: night time. He was like, nighttime, it's fucked up over here. 627 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:25,520 Speaker 3: And then he told me all about it. I really 628 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 3: seen how different it was. I always was fascinated by 629 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:33,960 Speaker 3: the cultural differences between New York and LA because New 630 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:36,360 Speaker 3: York back then, we didn't have no gang bang and shit, right, 631 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,600 Speaker 3: we didn't have that shit. We got your block, you 632 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:40,800 Speaker 3: got your crew from your block. It's a different a 633 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:44,280 Speaker 3: different world, you know, it was. It to me was 634 00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:50,240 Speaker 3: always fascinating because we didn't have the organization. But but 635 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:54,000 Speaker 3: it was like also a little bit depressing that like 636 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:56,360 Speaker 3: so many people are born into this thing that's like, 637 00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:58,920 Speaker 3: you know, man, where's it going to take you? And 638 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:00,560 Speaker 3: and there's not a lot of ways out of it, 639 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,360 Speaker 3: And it's generational, so you know, I would always be like, 640 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,840 Speaker 3: you know, and there's this book that my pops, she 641 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,000 Speaker 3: was a writer he pum other called City of Quartz 642 00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:11,720 Speaker 3: and then explained kind of the roots of it all 643 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:16,479 Speaker 3: and mister how the penis system in California came to 644 00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:20,000 Speaker 3: basically dictate what happened in the streets of California. To me, 645 00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:22,400 Speaker 3: that bugged me out because New York is different. It's 646 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:24,600 Speaker 3: not that it's a whole different way of looking at 647 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,360 Speaker 3: but we go to twenty twenty four and New York 648 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,760 Speaker 3: got all that shit now exactly. 649 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:33,960 Speaker 2: It was crazy to see that transition because somebody like 650 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:36,960 Speaker 2: me who've been traveling in New York since eighty nine, 651 00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,200 Speaker 2: you get me like, I didn't see none of that shit. 652 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,000 Speaker 2: Like we used to have that shit. We used to 653 00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:47,080 Speaker 2: get on there, We used to get on the train, 654 00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:49,800 Speaker 2: you know, we used to walk around. We used to 655 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,360 Speaker 2: go to Brooklyn, we used to walk over the bridge. 656 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:56,040 Speaker 2: And the last thing, now I knew, motherfucks was hard. 657 00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,120 Speaker 2: You know, we didn't see it. We'ven't seen the warriors 658 00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:03,320 Speaker 2: in different moves and situations. But I never had the 659 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:07,760 Speaker 2: fear of going be sweated by another cripp of blood 660 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:08,320 Speaker 2: out here. 661 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:10,560 Speaker 1: You get me like it. 662 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,760 Speaker 2: Was hard niggas. Like I tell that story. Everywhere we go. 663 00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,000 Speaker 2: It was hard niggas everywhere we go. 664 00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:18,520 Speaker 3: But everywhere you go there's somebody. 665 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:23,400 Speaker 2: New York didn't. They didn't express the cripping blood and 666 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,360 Speaker 2: ship like we did in l A. That was like 667 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:27,360 Speaker 2: our foundation. 668 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:32,400 Speaker 3: That's not our culture exactly. New York cultures graffiti and breakdancing. 669 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:36,120 Speaker 2: GRAFFEEDI breakdancing. They got their crewis and clicks, and you know, 670 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:40,680 Speaker 2: we got the warlords or the spiders or the whatever exactly. 671 00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,560 Speaker 2: Never like nigga, we the we, the we we the 672 00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:48,240 Speaker 2: spider bloods over here or we we you know, we 673 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,480 Speaker 2: the warriors over here. It was never that it was 674 00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:56,120 Speaker 2: ship nigga. You'd be Blacks, Mexicans, whatever, it clicked up 675 00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:59,200 Speaker 2: in the same ship. So I never feared or not 676 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:04,600 Speaker 2: the same feet. But we never anticipated running into any 677 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:08,720 Speaker 2: gang banging situations as far as New York was concerned. 678 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,640 Speaker 2: Even I go to Chicago, I'd go to tech says 679 00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:15,840 Speaker 2: niggas was Like I said, niggas was hard everywhere, but 680 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:19,600 Speaker 2: they were limited places where niggas was actually cripping in blood. 681 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:23,080 Speaker 3: You get me, and that shit took over the whole country. 682 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:24,840 Speaker 3: I mean, I was in New York, like you know, 683 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:26,920 Speaker 3: I'm well friends with bou Yah. I was out there 684 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:28,840 Speaker 3: like with them. The first time they came out there, 685 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,640 Speaker 3: I took I took cover and them to Harlem. They 686 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:34,680 Speaker 3: wanted to go to see one hundred and twenty fifth Street, 687 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,920 Speaker 3: and motherfuckers was bugging on them. There's all red and 688 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,920 Speaker 3: the Braids and motherfuckers like yoo, motherfuckers look crazy, you know, 689 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,000 Speaker 3: because in New York everyone talks to each other, right, 690 00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,640 Speaker 3: like everyone's everyone got some shit to say to you. 691 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,400 Speaker 3: And motherbuckers was like, oh yo, motherfuckers look cool as hell. 692 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,280 Speaker 3: That shit could not happen nowadays. You can't. You couldn't 693 00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:52,840 Speaker 3: go do that now they know. 694 00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:00,000 Speaker 1: Hey, you know, did you watch the Wu Tang movie? 695 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:01,040 Speaker 1: We did the series? 696 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:04,160 Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, I wrote on the third season. I worked 697 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,600 Speaker 3: on it, and I worked with Rizon a bunch of stuff. 698 00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,560 Speaker 3: I had helped them work on the Dirty episodes. I 699 00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:11,439 Speaker 3: wrote on a couple of them. So yeah, not only 700 00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:13,080 Speaker 3: did I watch it, I worked on it. 701 00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:16,920 Speaker 1: So yeah, real quick man, because old Dirty Man. I 702 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,200 Speaker 1: think he was one of the most unique artists of 703 00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:19,719 Speaker 1: all time. 704 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:23,680 Speaker 3: I mean, he was undoubtedly I mean, he was undoubtedly 705 00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:28,360 Speaker 3: one of the the you know, the craziest, most charismatic 706 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:30,840 Speaker 3: while you know, he was like he was like a 707 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,480 Speaker 3: dangerous Bismarcky or some shit, you know what I mean. 708 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:38,279 Speaker 1: But you know what crazy is it? Confidence? I saw 709 00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:41,080 Speaker 1: this dude in New Orleans one year and it was 710 00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:42,879 Speaker 1: I forget where we was at. Man, I was out 711 00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:47,439 Speaker 1: there with I think DJ Bobcat and he said, any 712 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,319 Speaker 1: rappers out there, I'll push y'all ass right now where 713 00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:52,040 Speaker 1: the rappers that and nobody stood up. 714 00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:56,600 Speaker 3: Yo. I was there that year. Man, he was so crazy. 715 00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:00,920 Speaker 3: That was man. We did this electra showcase and man, 716 00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:04,080 Speaker 3: he tore that motherfucker down. But he came out and 717 00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:05,640 Speaker 3: they had a mirror on the side of the States 718 00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:09,040 Speaker 3: and just started looking at himself and talking, wrapping himself 719 00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:11,279 Speaker 3: in the mirror like he was like, I can't Like 720 00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,080 Speaker 3: Elvis Presley said, I can't even explain it. And he 721 00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:16,440 Speaker 3: was like it was like there was like two thousand people, 722 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,440 Speaker 3: consider the people that he did a performance in the 723 00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:21,720 Speaker 3: mirror for like one song for himself, Like he didn't 724 00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:25,799 Speaker 3: even pay attention. He was so fucking wild. I love 725 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,680 Speaker 3: to do man as unique. I miss him a lot. 726 00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,239 Speaker 3: He was you know, it was hard to see how 727 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:34,399 Speaker 3: it all went down, you know, like he was rough 728 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:34,920 Speaker 3: to watch. 729 00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,320 Speaker 2: He was good people. I had the pleasure of fucking 730 00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:41,640 Speaker 2: with Dirt a lot when I went to New York. 731 00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:47,840 Speaker 2: You know, Wu Tang. For some reason, we gravitated to 732 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:48,479 Speaker 2: each other. 733 00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:50,480 Speaker 3: You know, it's real, recognized real. 734 00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:52,800 Speaker 1: That's why they even put you in a series ads 735 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,680 Speaker 1: in the series, I called him. I was watching, and 736 00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:58,080 Speaker 1: I said, they got the homie eate in there. Yeah. 737 00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:02,080 Speaker 2: I was real cool, especially with a with Method and Dirt, 738 00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:05,720 Speaker 2: and then with Ray Kwan. I was real cool with them. 739 00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:07,640 Speaker 2: And so, like I said, they flew me out to 740 00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:10,240 Speaker 2: New York to be in an All Kennedy So simple video. 741 00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:13,200 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, that's right, that's right, that's right, You're 742 00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:14,920 Speaker 3: in the video. It's crazy. I forgot about that. 743 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,759 Speaker 2: And then I did a song with Dirt with the 744 00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,960 Speaker 2: remix for Shimmy Shimmy Me and E forty. 745 00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:23,279 Speaker 1: Yeah. 746 00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:27,319 Speaker 2: He was a cool cat. He was in Compton for 747 00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:33,600 Speaker 2: a while to stomping around. Yeah, Dirt, Dirt was everywhere, man. 748 00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:38,680 Speaker 3: Reason man, Yeah, he was could he'ling up anywhere? You 749 00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:42,480 Speaker 3: never know where else up he was. He was the Wilder. 750 00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:44,400 Speaker 3: He's a wild life. 751 00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:48,120 Speaker 1: Homies from Compton. Man told me he was messing with 752 00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:50,800 Speaker 1: his sister. He told me, he said, man, old dirt, 753 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,480 Speaker 1: old dirty bastard, been over her house, messing with myself. 754 00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:54,359 Speaker 3: What he wanted. 755 00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:59,040 Speaker 2: He was doing something. But we were stomping around the 756 00:36:59,080 --> 00:36:59,920 Speaker 2: streets for men. 757 00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:00,439 Speaker 3: Man. 758 00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:06,239 Speaker 2: But he was just accepted by motherfuckers because motherfuckers knew 759 00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:10,040 Speaker 2: how serious and passionate he was about his ship. And 760 00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:13,720 Speaker 2: when he was putting the record once she became frying 761 00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:14,839 Speaker 2: and cool with him ship. 762 00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:18,440 Speaker 3: Oh man, he was best. I mean. I was in 763 00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:22,279 Speaker 3: the Bay Area with them and we we we I 764 00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,000 Speaker 3: knew Forty a little and we bumped into forty and them, 765 00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:27,520 Speaker 3: and that's how him and Forty ended up on that 766 00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:30,440 Speaker 3: record because they had the same birthday. So they started 767 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:32,600 Speaker 3: talking and they was like something came up and it 768 00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:34,560 Speaker 3: was like, yo, we got the same born day. And 769 00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:36,759 Speaker 3: then they started calling each other twin and that they 770 00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,320 Speaker 3: we were like really cool with Forty because of that. 771 00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:42,640 Speaker 3: It was like, that's a that's an odd pair, those two, 772 00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:43,359 Speaker 3: you know what I mean? 773 00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:46,560 Speaker 2: Like we was all in Oakland for something in the 774 00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:50,080 Speaker 2: day they was doing, and we just all happened to 775 00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:54,200 Speaker 2: end up at the same spot and we all went 776 00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:59,399 Speaker 2: to Studio Tones that night, Me, forty and Dirt and 777 00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:02,560 Speaker 2: that's when we came up with the remakes and they 778 00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:06,399 Speaker 2: liked it so good that they flew us all back 779 00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:07,920 Speaker 2: to New York to do the video. 780 00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:08,560 Speaker 1: The video. 781 00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:10,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, got the video. 782 00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:14,040 Speaker 3: Yeah. I was at the video shoot. Came by and 783 00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:17,759 Speaker 3: all that. That's so crazy. Yeah, man, he you know, 784 00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,399 Speaker 3: I've worked on this documentary that's on Hulu now called 785 00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:22,759 Speaker 3: Tailor two Dirties. I was a producer on it with 786 00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:26,880 Speaker 3: the family and and you know, like I did a lot. 787 00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:28,960 Speaker 3: I do a lot of stuff for his family still, 788 00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,279 Speaker 3: Like I helped him find checks here and there, and 789 00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:36,279 Speaker 3: his wife Shaquita I suve Shia Henry. Maybe eight years ago. 790 00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:38,200 Speaker 3: It was like I got all this old footage of 791 00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,680 Speaker 3: dirty do you think we could do something with it? 792 00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:43,799 Speaker 3: And from there we you know, we kicked it around 793 00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:47,200 Speaker 3: for a three years with Messiah who runs the foundation, 794 00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:49,880 Speaker 3: and we ended up hooking up with Sam Pollard and 795 00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:52,120 Speaker 3: and Jason and we got the doc done and we 796 00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:54,960 Speaker 3: made it with post films. So like from her just 797 00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,960 Speaker 3: calling me one day with this idea, it actually all happened. 798 00:38:58,000 --> 00:38:59,520 Speaker 3: I got to I gotta take my hat off there. 799 00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,960 Speaker 3: She really, she really really was like I think I 800 00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:04,960 Speaker 3: got somewhere and she did. It was super cool to 801 00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,839 Speaker 3: see it man come together and Dirty was like, you know, 802 00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:12,200 Speaker 3: I loved him. Man, It's someone was you know, like 803 00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:13,920 Speaker 3: a lot of people. I always say this, we're not 804 00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:17,719 Speaker 3: most people's not built for fame and fortune, right, And 805 00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:21,239 Speaker 3: if you grow up in group homes and you're institutionalized, 806 00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:25,759 Speaker 3: and you might have some some bipolar issues, substance abuse problems, 807 00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,880 Speaker 3: et cetera, et cetera. You give someone everything in the 808 00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,600 Speaker 3: whole world that they wanted, it's very hard for people 809 00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:34,920 Speaker 3: to handle that. Well, most people aren't Ice Tea, you 810 00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:37,239 Speaker 3: know what I mean. Like Ice could get all that 811 00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:39,279 Speaker 3: and he can handle it. Most people are not that 812 00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:43,000 Speaker 3: person and they lose perspective. And that's what happened to Dirty. 813 00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,279 Speaker 3: It is very sad, but it's also like, you know, 814 00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,320 Speaker 3: it's a classic still cautionary tale. You got to really, 815 00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:51,440 Speaker 3: you know, watch what happens when you get everything you 816 00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:53,279 Speaker 3: wish for, Because when you get everything you wish for, 817 00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:55,400 Speaker 3: it comes with a lot of shit attached. You know. 818 00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:58,840 Speaker 3: It's like and he just wasn't you know, he wasn't 819 00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:02,000 Speaker 3: prepared for and it just all went the wrong way. 820 00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,319 Speaker 3: It was very sad to see, you know. I saw 821 00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:07,200 Speaker 3: him when he came out of out of prison and 822 00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:09,960 Speaker 3: Dame Bash had signed him, and Dame had you know, 823 00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:11,680 Speaker 3: A knew Dame back then. I still know Dame. But 824 00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:13,680 Speaker 3: he was like, come, come and check out your man. 825 00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:17,040 Speaker 3: And it was it was really sad, man, it was really, 826 00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:20,120 Speaker 3: it was really really sad to see he was he was, 827 00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:23,320 Speaker 3: It was he was spent. It was done being in prison, 828 00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:26,440 Speaker 3: and and the psych ward in prison really had taken 829 00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:28,480 Speaker 3: taken a toll on the brother. He wasn't the same 830 00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:30,640 Speaker 3: human being. And it was sad to see, you know. 831 00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:32,960 Speaker 3: And I remained friends with Risen a lot of those 832 00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:36,560 Speaker 3: guys because I always stood by dirty through thick and thin. 833 00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:39,279 Speaker 3: He was he was worth it and he was you know. 834 00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:43,080 Speaker 3: I remember he got shot when I worked with him. 835 00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:46,160 Speaker 3: He got shot in Brooklyn. He jumped to a window 836 00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:48,880 Speaker 3: another time. I mean, we did this show in l A. 837 00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:51,480 Speaker 3: And I want to say it was at the Plate him, 838 00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:53,359 Speaker 3: but it wasn't played. It was the spot on Vine 839 00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:56,040 Speaker 3: right by Capitol whatever that is, that club right there, 840 00:40:56,520 --> 00:41:00,720 Speaker 3: and we did the show for it was rat Pages 841 00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:04,399 Speaker 3: had like a seminar and he killed it. Was right 842 00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:07,120 Speaker 3: when the record came out, right when a single came out, 843 00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:10,719 Speaker 3: he just bodied it, just destroyed it. But he was 844 00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:13,160 Speaker 3: performing and it was like the second or third the 845 00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:16,480 Speaker 3: last song, and these dudes in the front was he 846 00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:20,600 Speaker 3: had bottle and they was all hanging out. They was 847 00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:22,440 Speaker 3: like in front of the crowd, and it was apparently 848 00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:24,680 Speaker 3: Grape Street Crypts. We didn't know that. But he just 849 00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:26,359 Speaker 3: took his bottle and he handed it to a dude 850 00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:28,160 Speaker 3: he drank from the audience and gave it back to him. 851 00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:31,120 Speaker 3: And so after the show, like they literally cut his 852 00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:34,040 Speaker 3: sound off. He jumped off the stage and walked through 853 00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:36,880 Speaker 3: the audience and was still performing. And we went outside 854 00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:39,800 Speaker 3: with all these dudes and they like became our friends, 855 00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:41,799 Speaker 3: and they were all these grave street cryb dudes. We 856 00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:44,239 Speaker 3: didn't know at the time, We didn't know what they were, 857 00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,400 Speaker 3: but they ended up always fucking with him when he 858 00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:48,719 Speaker 3: came out here because we had met them at that show, 859 00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:51,440 Speaker 3: and I was like, this motherfucker could go anywhere and 860 00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:54,440 Speaker 3: meet motherfuckers and be good. It was bugged out and 861 00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:56,719 Speaker 3: they was like, you know, They're not the people you 862 00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,480 Speaker 3: expect to be old dirty Bassa fans, but they was 863 00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:01,680 Speaker 3: his friends. In this fans it was bugged out like 864 00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:04,120 Speaker 3: we you know, we used to come out of a lot, 865 00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:06,960 Speaker 3: like I knew the dudes, the operation from the bottom 866 00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:08,799 Speaker 3: dudes too, and they used to they used to rob 867 00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:10,920 Speaker 3: with brand newbie in a lot. So we would come 868 00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:13,040 Speaker 3: out he and meet dudes all the time. And it's 869 00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:15,200 Speaker 3: funny how like people come out from New York and 870 00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:17,439 Speaker 3: they'd have problems, but we would come out to New York, 871 00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:19,239 Speaker 3: I mean to LA and we would always be good 872 00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:23,160 Speaker 3: because we always you know, respected everyone's boundaries, where everyone's from, 873 00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:25,120 Speaker 3: and you just got to know how to move wherever 874 00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:27,520 Speaker 3: you go, you know, like re new this is very 875 00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:30,120 Speaker 3: good at doing that. They always made friends wherever they went. 876 00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:34,640 Speaker 1: I think that's one thing about l A. Man sets 877 00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:37,320 Speaker 1: usually embraced cats to come out here in that cool. 878 00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:42,120 Speaker 3: Makes sense. I mean, look, you could step in ship anywhere, 879 00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:44,160 Speaker 3: if you if you're if you if you ain't the 880 00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:46,759 Speaker 3: right size, you can step into bullshit anywhere. But you 881 00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:48,279 Speaker 3: know I did this ship my whole life. I never 882 00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:49,240 Speaker 3: had a problem anywhere. 883 00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think if you come I think what 884 00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:54,280 Speaker 1: don't happen though with a lot of these young cats. 885 00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:56,799 Speaker 1: You know, there'd be some dudes from the hood and 886 00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,040 Speaker 1: they wind up on to become crips and bloods. I 887 00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:01,480 Speaker 1: never understood it because I always say you can just be yourself, 888 00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:03,280 Speaker 1: and they go fuck with you. Just be yourself. 889 00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:07,759 Speaker 3: You at you got guys, I mean, you got guys 890 00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:09,400 Speaker 3: who gotta like check in when they come here. And 891 00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:12,640 Speaker 3: you know, we all know, like, look, man, I grew 892 00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:15,000 Speaker 3: up with like crazy Puerto Rican motherfuckers and you know 893 00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:17,880 Speaker 3: who who who to let in and who not to. 894 00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:19,680 Speaker 3: You got to give dudes a heisman. You can't let 895 00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,120 Speaker 3: dudes get in real close because you know, gangsters are 896 00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:23,600 Speaker 3: gonna do gangster shit and if they could do some 897 00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:25,239 Speaker 3: gangster shit, you they're gonna do gangster shit. 898 00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:29,120 Speaker 2: You what I say all the time. But niggas can 899 00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:31,560 Speaker 2: get close and fuck you. He gonna fuck you if 900 00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:34,439 Speaker 2: he thinks YEA with it. So just got to watch 901 00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:36,040 Speaker 2: your element, I see. 902 00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:38,160 Speaker 3: You gotta know and if you got, if you're smart, 903 00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:39,320 Speaker 3: you got the spidery scends. 904 00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:43,000 Speaker 1: You know, you just know, how was it trying to 905 00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:44,160 Speaker 1: mix that album? 906 00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:48,120 Speaker 3: Dude? Mixing Old Dirty bast album was a nightmare because 907 00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:52,120 Speaker 3: Rizza had told me. He told me this years later, Like, so, 908 00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:53,520 Speaker 3: I don't know if you guys know, he had a 909 00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:57,120 Speaker 3: flood in his house and he lost he lost Cuban 910 00:43:57,160 --> 00:44:00,719 Speaker 3: links and he lost liquortories, the whole albums. So the 911 00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,279 Speaker 3: blood destroyed all this equipment. So he had a two 912 00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:05,200 Speaker 3: inch machine in the house, he had all his records, 913 00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:08,239 Speaker 3: all this shit, so he lost everything. So he had 914 00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:11,240 Speaker 3: to go and make those records while while Dirty's records 915 00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:13,920 Speaker 3: waiting to get mixed, so he doesn't show up. So 916 00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:16,360 Speaker 3: I got to figure out how to mix the record myself, 917 00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:18,560 Speaker 3: and I, you know, I'm an engineer to an extent, 918 00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:20,120 Speaker 3: Like I'm not an engineer, and I know a lot 919 00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:22,359 Speaker 3: of shit, but man, you know, the way he does 920 00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:24,239 Speaker 3: it is not the way a normal person does shit. 921 00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:26,319 Speaker 3: He got risk of signs I ain't got. I ain't 922 00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:28,480 Speaker 3: got the manual. I don't have the riz of God 923 00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:31,560 Speaker 3: body manual to mix his records. So you know, it 924 00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:36,080 Speaker 3: was very difficult, and most difficult to ball was was 925 00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:39,680 Speaker 3: mixing Brooklyn Zoo, which True Master did, but but True 926 00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:42,440 Speaker 3: Master was nowhere to be found. And so I mixed 927 00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:45,279 Speaker 3: that shit three fucking times and I couldn't get it right, 928 00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:48,080 Speaker 3: just ain't sound right. I could not get the motherfucker right. 929 00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:51,279 Speaker 3: And the fourth time, I was like, you know what, man, 930 00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:52,919 Speaker 3: I'm gonna just fucking put a kick in the snare 931 00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:54,759 Speaker 3: in the shit because I can't make the drum sound good. 932 00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:56,719 Speaker 3: They sound like shit. So I just took a break 933 00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:58,360 Speaker 3: record and I chopped that shit up and put it 934 00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:01,399 Speaker 3: in there. The only thing I did on the record, really, 935 00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:03,480 Speaker 3: and I only did it because I was I was 936 00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:06,080 Speaker 3: I was failing over and over again, and I was like, 937 00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:09,160 Speaker 3: I gotta get this fucking record done. So it worked, 938 00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:11,680 Speaker 3: and you know, it made it made it made sense. 939 00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:15,759 Speaker 3: And when we went to met master the album, I 940 00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:18,919 Speaker 3: told Rizza, you know, I put a kick in snare 941 00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:21,480 Speaker 3: in there. He looked at me like whatever, Like he 942 00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:23,680 Speaker 3: didn't it didn't make no sense. He didn't care. But 943 00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:25,719 Speaker 3: when I hear that record, I still hear the kicking 944 00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,000 Speaker 3: snare in there. It's a it's a pretty famous break record. 945 00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:30,360 Speaker 3: You can hear the snare every time you hear it 946 00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:32,359 Speaker 3: if you know what record it is. But it was 947 00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:34,759 Speaker 3: it was hard, man. You look, they gave me. They 948 00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:36,920 Speaker 3: gave me, Like the album has like eleven twelve songs, 949 00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:38,359 Speaker 3: like I think it came in here was like eight 950 00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:41,880 Speaker 3: songs done, vocals done, and getting him to finish the 951 00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:43,960 Speaker 3: rest of the ship and mixing the ship was. He 952 00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:46,960 Speaker 3: got shot, he got arrested, he got thrown out of 953 00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:48,840 Speaker 3: every night club in New York. He showed up on 954 00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:51,640 Speaker 3: dust a few times. Like you know, he was just 955 00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:55,600 Speaker 3: fucking a wild man. So you know, we got it done, though, man, 956 00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:59,120 Speaker 3: we got it done. It was you know what, like 957 00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:01,080 Speaker 3: in my career, I've done a bunch of shit, but 958 00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:03,840 Speaker 3: like there's that's the only time someone hand me lightning 959 00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:06,319 Speaker 3: in a bottle, And there was like, you know, they 960 00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:08,120 Speaker 3: gave me the football in the in the red zone. 961 00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:11,239 Speaker 3: They say, Yo, score that fucking touchdown. Take that motherfucker. 962 00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:15,319 Speaker 3: Get it done. Walk these dogs, because in my head, 963 00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:18,440 Speaker 3: I kind of knew it might never happen again, you know, 964 00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:20,680 Speaker 3: like you got to catch that moment, like be in 965 00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:23,800 Speaker 3: the moment, get it. And I never had that. I 966 00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:26,160 Speaker 3: never had that battery on my back before when I 967 00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:28,799 Speaker 3: was as an R guy, and I managed to get 968 00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:32,480 Speaker 3: it done against against you know, a lot of people 969 00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:34,279 Speaker 3: told me I signed the wrong motherfucker. They were like, 970 00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:38,000 Speaker 3: you sign dirty, Why ain't soign met the man. You know, 971 00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:42,560 Speaker 3: I don't know man, Old Dirty basst He his presence 972 00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:44,200 Speaker 3: spoke to me. And when I met him, I was like, 973 00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:46,560 Speaker 3: this guy is a genius. You look. I love the 974 00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:54,480 Speaker 3: I love the the biz marquise, the grand Poobahs, the 975 00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:59,200 Speaker 3: snoop dogs, even the ludicris Is. I like those characters, right, 976 00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:03,239 Speaker 3: the character and Old Dirty Basht was a character to me. Right, 977 00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:05,600 Speaker 3: So I was like, this, this could be one of 978 00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:07,719 Speaker 3: the great things I do. And I was lucky enough 979 00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:10,080 Speaker 3: that I was right, and I was lucky enough this 980 00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:13,520 Speaker 3: is the thing ourselves the luckiest enough that Riza trusted me. 981 00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:17,880 Speaker 3: So I met Rizza and we bonded, and he trusted 982 00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:20,080 Speaker 3: me to walk those dogs, because he could have took 983 00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:23,239 Speaker 3: that ship anywhere, right, but he trusted me with that 984 00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:27,560 Speaker 3: gem and so that's that's that's a big honor. So 985 00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:30,000 Speaker 3: you can't fuck that up. When Rizza trust you with 986 00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:33,200 Speaker 3: one of his his own family, his cousin, you know, 987 00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:34,920 Speaker 3: you got to rise to the occasion if you know, 988 00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:37,239 Speaker 3: you know, what are you worth in this world? Right? 989 00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:39,360 Speaker 3: So that's one of them times when I had to 990 00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:40,880 Speaker 3: I had to do what I had to do. I 991 00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:43,279 Speaker 3: had to prove myself and I did you know you. 992 00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:45,560 Speaker 1: Had another one too, you had km D. 993 00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:50,279 Speaker 3: I did m F doomf doune. 994 00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:51,719 Speaker 1: I think it's his brother dad in the car. 995 00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:54,440 Speaker 3: His brother dad, right, Yes, brother got hit by a 996 00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:59,200 Speaker 3: car under mysterious circumstances. And you know, we put out 997 00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:02,440 Speaker 3: the second record was coming out, Black Basterds, and and 998 00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:04,600 Speaker 3: like you know, he used the sambo logo that he drew, 999 00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:08,280 Speaker 3: and the records called Black Bastard looked like the game Hangman. 1000 00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:09,960 Speaker 3: You know that game he played when you were a kid. 1001 00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:12,040 Speaker 3: So it was that, and it was he was hanging 1002 00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:17,160 Speaker 3: his the sambo stereotype and effigy, and you know Billboard 1003 00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:20,040 Speaker 3: saw it, a woman named Terry Rossi, and she said 1004 00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:25,279 Speaker 3: that it was it was basically irresponsible. And some you know, 1005 00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:28,640 Speaker 3: like kind of accused us of being racially insensitive for 1006 00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:32,320 Speaker 3: allowing him to use his artworks. So his record, the 1007 00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:33,680 Speaker 3: label it was in there. 1008 00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:34,000 Speaker 2: You know. 1009 00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:36,040 Speaker 3: It was like right after I S had the ship 1010 00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:38,960 Speaker 3: with cop Killer. So Warner Brothers was all they were 1011 00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:42,600 Speaker 3: nervous and they let it go. So they gave him 1012 00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:45,080 Speaker 3: back his masters and he disappeared for a few years, 1013 00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:47,239 Speaker 3: you know, and he came back as MF. Doom. His 1014 00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:50,120 Speaker 3: name was is Doom is Daniel Doomle, so his name 1015 00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:52,799 Speaker 3: was Doom. So he just became who he really was. 1016 00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:55,960 Speaker 3: And in a strange way, it was a blessing, right 1017 00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:58,719 Speaker 3: he would you know, never lose your brother, can never 1018 00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:01,080 Speaker 3: be a blessing. But but like all the trials and 1019 00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:06,120 Speaker 3: tribulations he went through made him find this this inner 1020 00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:08,480 Speaker 3: voice and he came back as m AT Doom, which is, 1021 00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:10,920 Speaker 3: you know, a totally kind of different chamber of music. 1022 00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:15,439 Speaker 3: But I feel like that is like a metaphor on 1023 00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:17,840 Speaker 3: some level for like black people in America, Like you 1024 00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:21,640 Speaker 3: can hand motherfucker's a bull of shit and they're gonna 1025 00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:23,560 Speaker 3: come back and make the greatest thing ever. You could 1026 00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:26,799 Speaker 3: give people the worst conditions in the world, subject people 1027 00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:29,960 Speaker 3: to bullshit, but watch the motherfuckers do with that right, 1028 00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:33,120 Speaker 3: that ingenuity and that spirit. And I always felt that 1029 00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:35,319 Speaker 3: in his music he was like a modern blues man 1030 00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:37,640 Speaker 3: or some shit he took. He got handed the worst 1031 00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:40,440 Speaker 3: shit in life, and he made that ship into gold. Right. 1032 00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:40,839 Speaker 3: You know. 1033 00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:47,240 Speaker 1: That hip hop, yes, hip hop shit really that mass iconic. 1034 00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:49,960 Speaker 1: I remember, man, somebody telling me that Doom would go 1035 00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:52,399 Speaker 1: do shows all over the world and have somebody being 1036 00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:58,040 Speaker 1: doom over he did in England, somebody in Ireland doom. 1037 00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:00,800 Speaker 3: Yeah. I want to see him in fil One time. 1038 00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:03,120 Speaker 3: I once drove up there to the show and I 1039 00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:05,480 Speaker 3: was on the side of the stage. Dude came up 1040 00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:07,239 Speaker 3: next to me. I put his arm. I looked over 1041 00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:08,920 Speaker 3: and it was doomed but he was on stage. His 1042 00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:12,680 Speaker 3: man was being him, this dude Ben. It was Ben Klingon, Like, yeah, 1043 00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:17,080 Speaker 3: doom was you know, man. We're working on this big, 1044 00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:21,480 Speaker 3: big thing about him, me and and the family, and 1045 00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:24,120 Speaker 3: we're gonna do. We got a lot of ship that 1046 00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:26,719 Speaker 3: we're trying to do that celebrates him because you know, 1047 00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:29,240 Speaker 3: he's one of a kind like he is. It's wild 1048 00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:31,719 Speaker 3: because he has become like a guy who never had 1049 00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:35,160 Speaker 3: a hit record, right, but he is like a folk hero, 1050 00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:37,759 Speaker 3: which is so wild when I think about him. A 1051 00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:39,040 Speaker 3: lot of mythical. 1052 00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:41,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, a lot of people fucked with M F. 1053 00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:44,200 Speaker 2: Doom that I didn't even know about. I would see 1054 00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:47,600 Speaker 2: people and they'd be like, man with the mask and 1055 00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:50,280 Speaker 2: all that shit. He was like he he was, like, 1056 00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:52,280 Speaker 2: like you said, a folk hero to a lot of people. 1057 00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:57,200 Speaker 3: Know he's he's like the centerpiece for like the whole 1058 00:50:57,239 --> 00:51:00,600 Speaker 3: Earl world, Tyler and them. They love him. He's like God, 1059 00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:02,439 Speaker 3: like to the mythical it's bugged out. 1060 00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:05,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know who put me up on the m 1061 00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:09,759 Speaker 1: F done My oldest son. I heard that gazillion here 1062 00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:11,239 Speaker 1: and I was like, who is this? You listened to? 1063 00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:11,279 Speaker 3: This? 1064 00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:14,200 Speaker 1: Shit is ill? He said, m F doone m F 1065 00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:15,200 Speaker 1: Doune was incredible. 1066 00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:19,279 Speaker 3: He's crazy, said that because like all my arm all 1067 00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:22,080 Speaker 3: the youngsters around me, like my family and shit, Like, 1068 00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:25,080 Speaker 3: you know, my nephew like his favorite rapper is Doom. 1069 00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:27,080 Speaker 3: He's like twenty years old. I was like, how the 1070 00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:29,000 Speaker 3: fuck is that your favorite rapper? He's supposed to like 1071 00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:31,560 Speaker 3: Travis Scott or some shit, but he just loves Doom. 1072 00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:34,200 Speaker 3: And he's always asked me about Doom. Shit. So you know, 1073 00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:37,320 Speaker 3: if we if if everything lines up in the next 1074 00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:39,799 Speaker 3: you know, we're trying to do this this doc and 1075 00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:42,760 Speaker 3: all this shit with the families. You know, we're knee 1076 00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:45,600 Speaker 3: deep in trying to figure it out. So his story 1077 00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:48,399 Speaker 3: will be told in another way, a very creative way. 1078 00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:52,120 Speaker 3: Everything comes together. Doom was one of a time man. 1079 00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:54,920 Speaker 3: You know, that's a unique individual. And I always tell 1080 00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:57,000 Speaker 3: people I worked with KM d I don't work with Doom, 1081 00:51:57,200 --> 00:51:59,200 Speaker 3: but Doom was my really good friend. You know. He 1082 00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:02,000 Speaker 3: was like my brother for life. And he's just a 1083 00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:05,520 Speaker 3: unique individual, Like he's a wild boy man. He was 1084 00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:07,840 Speaker 3: the funniest like and there's no one like him, you know. 1085 00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:10,239 Speaker 3: And in this rap thing, like I always say, like, 1086 00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:15,520 Speaker 3: I'm so lucky to be allowed to be part of it, 1087 00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:19,120 Speaker 3: to contribute a little bit to it, to be accepted, 1088 00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:23,120 Speaker 3: to have made friends who are like family to me, 1089 00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:27,520 Speaker 3: whether it's large Professor or it's mugs in them or 1090 00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:29,520 Speaker 3: whoever the fuck it is in this world that, like 1091 00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:32,359 Speaker 3: you know, I get to really be part of it. 1092 00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:35,520 Speaker 3: To have spent all those days with Bismarcky looking for 1093 00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:39,200 Speaker 3: records and pro keads and traveling, buying shit with him 1094 00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:41,960 Speaker 3: and shit like that, running around the world with people 1095 00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:44,759 Speaker 3: like that is the greatest honor of all of it. 1096 00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:47,480 Speaker 3: Like I never had a real job, I never really 1097 00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:49,400 Speaker 3: had to stress too much for money, Like you know, 1098 00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:52,759 Speaker 3: I'm fucking blessed. This thing is to me, like hip 1099 00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:56,680 Speaker 3: hop the most important subculture of my lifetime. And without it, 1100 00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:58,600 Speaker 3: I don't know what the fuck I would have done, 1101 00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:01,560 Speaker 3: And my life would have been so much it would 1102 00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:05,160 Speaker 3: have been boring bro life and you be doing it. 1103 00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:07,440 Speaker 1: Some of the greatest artists in hip hot would never 1104 00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:09,120 Speaker 1: probably came into existence. 1105 00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:12,520 Speaker 3: No, I can't say that. I can't say that. I 1106 00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:16,319 Speaker 3: don't say that because I say to me, so, I 1107 00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:18,239 Speaker 3: was just lucky enough that, like, I don't know how 1108 00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:20,480 Speaker 3: you guys feel about God, but I believe in God 1109 00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:23,879 Speaker 3: very abstract. I believe in something bigger, you know. I'm 1110 00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:25,759 Speaker 3: not like a Jesus dode with God, like I'm on 1111 00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:29,920 Speaker 3: some universal unconsciousness, right. So, but I was lucky enough 1112 00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:32,560 Speaker 3: that what I call God put me in a position 1113 00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:35,440 Speaker 3: to open the door for people. But I just was 1114 00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:39,640 Speaker 3: that lucky motherfucker who's antenna was turned tuned in, turned on, right. 1115 00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:42,520 Speaker 3: So I just was very blessed to be allowed to 1116 00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:45,400 Speaker 3: help some great people come to life. But I believe 1117 00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:47,520 Speaker 3: that those people would have found a way anyway because 1118 00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:49,920 Speaker 3: they had the talent. I was just lucky enough to 1119 00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:51,799 Speaker 3: be able to open the door for him. And that's 1120 00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:53,239 Speaker 3: an honor, man, That's an honor to me. 1121 00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:55,400 Speaker 1: Now I want to ask you about I want to 1122 00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:59,000 Speaker 1: ask you about three, two groups and one person. Okay, 1123 00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:01,120 Speaker 1: why did you Digital Underground? 1124 00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:05,000 Speaker 3: So Digital Underground a guy named Ed Strickland I worked with. 1125 00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:08,319 Speaker 3: He was a promo guy. He was traveling and he 1126 00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:11,880 Speaker 3: came back from the Bay and he had Underwater Rhymes. 1127 00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:14,880 Speaker 3: He had that record and we listened to it and 1128 00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:18,080 Speaker 3: we liked it a lot, and then Adrian Gregory, who 1129 00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:22,200 Speaker 3: managed them, sent him the tape that had had do 1130 00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:25,520 Speaker 3: what You Like on him before it came out, because 1131 00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:29,160 Speaker 3: they were putting records themselves out on tnc Records to Macola, 1132 00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:32,680 Speaker 3: so they were putting they have put out Underwater Rhymes. 1133 00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:35,640 Speaker 3: So they pressed up do what you Like and sent 1134 00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:37,680 Speaker 3: us that. We was talking to him, and then I 1135 00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:40,680 Speaker 3: had the record and we played it in the office 1136 00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:43,839 Speaker 3: and day La Soul was there and they were like 1137 00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:47,880 Speaker 3: Pasta News was like you better sign those motherfuckers, and 1138 00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:49,719 Speaker 3: we all were like, yeah, we need to get the 1139 00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:52,200 Speaker 3: deal done, and we signed them. So my hat's off 1140 00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:54,920 Speaker 3: to Daylight kind of pushed that one over the top. 1141 00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:56,239 Speaker 1: And that was it. 1142 00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:59,000 Speaker 3: Man. We met Hump and and all that, and unfortunately 1143 00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:01,560 Speaker 3: I left before the album came out because I wasn't 1144 00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:04,200 Speaker 3: making no money working at Tommy Boy. And someone actually 1145 00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:05,560 Speaker 3: was like, we're gonna give you a real job and 1146 00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:07,360 Speaker 3: give you a real check and you don't have to 1147 00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:09,879 Speaker 3: live in a shoebox apartment no more and sell wheat 1148 00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:12,279 Speaker 3: on the side. So I got to stop hustling and 1149 00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:14,880 Speaker 3: had a real job, thank god. But yeah, dude, you 1150 00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:18,960 Speaker 3: know digital Underground and Shock was like, like Shock, he's 1151 00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:21,960 Speaker 3: one of them dudes. Man, he was like a genius, 1152 00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:24,560 Speaker 3: like I can't explain it, Like he could sit down 1153 00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:27,520 Speaker 3: at the piano and play some real shit like he 1154 00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:30,400 Speaker 3: was a boy. He's a genius. Motherfucker. He did all 1155 00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:33,319 Speaker 3: the artwork. He would send the drawings in like he 1156 00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:37,120 Speaker 3: was a genius. Like I never yo, He's like, look, man, 1157 00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:39,400 Speaker 3: drugs suck, you know what I mean? Like you know, 1158 00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:42,400 Speaker 3: and and he you know, he had problems with with 1159 00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:45,000 Speaker 3: things later in life. But man, that dude was light 1160 00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:48,000 Speaker 3: years ahead of motherfuckers. And he did everything. He played everything, 1161 00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:53,080 Speaker 3: produce everything. He was so motherfucking talented and so fucking cool. 1162 00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:54,400 Speaker 3: He was the coolest. 1163 00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:58,480 Speaker 1: Well Shock, so you lay it right into him daylor Soul. 1164 00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:00,200 Speaker 1: Do you remember how you met them? 1165 00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:02,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, So they were getting signed already and I got 1166 00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:06,279 Speaker 3: interviewed with the job I had been. I mean, I'm 1167 00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:08,600 Speaker 3: I'm old, so but I was there being rockins Road 1168 00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:10,640 Speaker 3: manager right. So when I was a kid, because I 1169 00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:12,759 Speaker 3: worked for Rush Productions, I worked for Russell lee Or 1170 00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:17,000 Speaker 3: and I was a crazy kid. You know. I went 1171 00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:19,120 Speaker 3: on the road with the Beastie Boys and and when 1172 00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:20,880 Speaker 3: I was a kid and my friend Sean was a 1173 00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:23,000 Speaker 3: road manager. He was like, here's how you here's how 1174 00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:25,319 Speaker 3: you be a romantic basically his slave. He was like, 1175 00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:27,560 Speaker 3: you're going to just be my fucking slave every day. 1176 00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:28,799 Speaker 3: You're can do all the shit I don't want to do. 1177 00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:30,560 Speaker 3: So I learned how to kind of road manager. I 1178 00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:34,600 Speaker 3: became their road manager and rap music and you you, 1179 00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:36,719 Speaker 3: I'm sure you know the state It wasn't like it 1180 00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:39,839 Speaker 3: was small man, small community right in la probably even 1181 00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:42,520 Speaker 3: smaller than New York. You know, it was just just 1182 00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:44,279 Speaker 3: a hand. It was like because in la I think 1183 00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:46,440 Speaker 3: in la Is it was like it all comes from 1184 00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:48,759 Speaker 3: Uncle Jam's army, right, right. 1185 00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:52,920 Speaker 2: That's what records came through. Yeah, right exactly. 1186 00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:54,719 Speaker 3: And it was small, man. It was like it was 1187 00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:57,560 Speaker 3: Ice and them, dudes, and you know, there was just 1188 00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:00,279 Speaker 3: a small group of people, Dre and them. It was 1189 00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:03,480 Speaker 3: small Julio g it was Tony and them. So, you know, 1190 00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:05,960 Speaker 3: New York was was a little bigger but it's still small. 1191 00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:10,359 Speaker 3: So I knew everybody. So Daddy Oh from Stetsusnic. They 1192 00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:12,040 Speaker 3: had offered him an A and R job, but he 1193 00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:14,319 Speaker 3: could he didn't want it because he's he's doing the ship. 1194 00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:15,520 Speaker 3: But I had been on the road with him. He 1195 00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:19,120 Speaker 3: was my boy. Damn here, damn hear him. He was 1196 00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:20,520 Speaker 3: damn here trying to get me to be like a 1197 00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:22,280 Speaker 3: five percent. I swear to God, I can't make this 1198 00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:25,480 Speaker 3: ship up, you know, like the whole ship, like the teacher, 1199 00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:27,680 Speaker 3: you know, I know, the supreme alphabet, the whole ship. 1200 00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:31,840 Speaker 3: So so he told them they should hire me, and 1201 00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:33,680 Speaker 3: I went for the job. And they played me a 1202 00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:36,200 Speaker 3: tape and it was Dayla or Soul and it was 1203 00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:38,840 Speaker 3: plugged tuning and I lost my mind. I said, this 1204 00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:41,480 Speaker 3: is the greatest thing I ever heard. I was like, 1205 00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:44,400 Speaker 3: this ship is the I was like, I loved ultra magnetic. 1206 00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:47,080 Speaker 3: I was like, this is beyond ultra magnetic. This is 1207 00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:51,160 Speaker 3: like even further out there. And they said, oh, we're 1208 00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:54,680 Speaker 3: gonna sign this. So they called me a couple of 1209 00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:57,600 Speaker 3: weeks later, right before Christmas. I'll never forget, it was 1210 00:57:57,640 --> 00:58:00,280 Speaker 3: snowing out. I went to the office and they Monica 1211 00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:03,080 Speaker 3: Lynch was like, so you got the job, and you 1212 00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:04,880 Speaker 3: know that group that you really like. I was like, yeah, 1213 00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:07,120 Speaker 3: Prince pauls Hoopers. I knew Prince Paul. She was like. 1214 00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:08,640 Speaker 3: I was like yeah, She's like, that's gonna be your 1215 00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:11,000 Speaker 3: first group. So I ended up working with them and 1216 00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:13,440 Speaker 3: really basically spent a whole year in my life with 1217 00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:16,480 Speaker 3: them traveling. I would road manager and we go all 1218 00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:18,640 Speaker 3: over the country. I took them to La the first 1219 00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:21,280 Speaker 3: eight eight you'll appreciate this. I took them to play 1220 00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:24,680 Speaker 3: at World on wheels. We played that World on wheels 1221 00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:27,120 Speaker 3: and we had never seen no shit like that before. 1222 00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:29,520 Speaker 3: So I knew I'd been to LA. I knew more 1223 00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:31,800 Speaker 3: about it than them. But we played that World on 1224 00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:33,960 Speaker 3: wheels and that shit was cripped out like a motherfucker. 1225 00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:37,200 Speaker 3: We had. We never seen no shit like that before, 1226 00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:38,880 Speaker 3: like I had. I was like, Yo, this shit is 1227 00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:41,560 Speaker 3: fucking crazy. And we were bugging because everyone's wearing like 1228 00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:45,800 Speaker 3: Yankee shit and Georgetown shit, and I was like cowboys shit. 1229 00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:49,720 Speaker 3: And then we seen do Yeah, we seen dudes crip 1230 00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:53,720 Speaker 3: walk and iced. He hosted the events for kDa and 1231 00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:57,240 Speaker 3: seventy three. That's where I met Mugs that's the damn me. 1232 00:58:57,600 --> 00:59:00,360 Speaker 3: No I knew mugs I've met ever last that day 1233 00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:04,520 Speaker 3: he was with the Rom Syndicate and and we we 1234 00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:06,680 Speaker 3: knew Ice, but I knew Ice, but we got cool 1235 00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:09,680 Speaker 3: with Ice because in the club there was a big 1236 00:59:09,720 --> 00:59:12,560 Speaker 3: ass fight and then dudes went at it and they 1237 00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:14,360 Speaker 3: got everyone out the club. You know, they locked us 1238 00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:17,360 Speaker 3: in the club. They locked us in and dudes are 1239 00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:20,040 Speaker 3: shooting in the parking lot and we're like, and you know, 1240 00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:22,320 Speaker 3: we're Dayla soul man. There was striped shirts and we 1241 00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:25,480 Speaker 3: got flat tops and Aaron Max's we not we don't 1242 00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:28,120 Speaker 3: know about that ship. That's not us. You know, no 1243 00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:31,520 Speaker 3: one's a sucker, but we don't know that ship. And man, 1244 00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:34,520 Speaker 3: just running around the country with daylight was that was 1245 00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:36,840 Speaker 3: so much fun. And and then I came back a 1246 00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:39,600 Speaker 3: few months later with Latifa and we played at at 1247 00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:42,960 Speaker 3: at World on wheels and at Skateland. So I went 1248 00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:48,120 Speaker 3: to both of those motherfuckers. And Skateland was wild. Skate 1249 00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:51,040 Speaker 3: Land was Skateland was way scarier than me. It smelled 1250 00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:53,320 Speaker 3: like dust. We walked in and the bou Yad dude. 1251 00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:55,520 Speaker 3: That's why I met bou Ya because bou Yah dudes 1252 00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:59,120 Speaker 3: were doing security, so they yeah, the dude from bou 1253 00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:02,800 Speaker 3: yall Rid Gangster D was like, hey man, I rapped, 1254 01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:04,720 Speaker 3: I'm gonna get you to give me your number and 1255 01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:06,840 Speaker 3: and then I talked to Gangster D on the phone 1256 01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:10,400 Speaker 3: is ship So like, you know, daylave Man like people 1257 01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:12,800 Speaker 3: forget like eighty seven, they were out and they their 1258 01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:15,440 Speaker 3: record was big on KD was big in l A. 1259 01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:23,360 Speaker 3: So you know what Daylight was like, I met them LA. Yeah, 1260 01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:27,760 Speaker 3: they like New York didn't have all rap station. KD 1261 01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:31,480 Speaker 3: was the first all rap station in America, the first one, right, 1262 01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:33,320 Speaker 3: So we used to fuck with Greg Greg Mack and 1263 01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:36,680 Speaker 3: his scandalous as and Roger Clayton because Roger used to 1264 01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:38,640 Speaker 3: be in New York. People don't notice that the l 1265 01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:40,760 Speaker 3: A possibly moved to New York for a while when 1266 01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:45,400 Speaker 3: it was all all that Bobcat And that's why I 1267 01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:48,040 Speaker 3: met Pooh. So I met Pooh back then because Pooh 1268 01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:50,280 Speaker 3: was the youngest one. So me and Pool used to 1269 01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:52,520 Speaker 3: hang out and smoke weed like because they were always 1270 01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:54,560 Speaker 3: who was like, they were always kind of son and 1271 01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:57,200 Speaker 3: Pool like take this their do this, do that? Right? 1272 01:00:57,280 --> 01:01:01,240 Speaker 3: So I knew all them dudes. And back to Daylight, 1273 01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:05,320 Speaker 3: Like Daylight was just when I met them, they were 1274 01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:07,840 Speaker 3: like it was like looking at myself, and we had 1275 01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:10,880 Speaker 3: the same likes. We like all the same shit. We 1276 01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:14,320 Speaker 3: all wore funny ass shit. You know, we were fucking 1277 01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:16,480 Speaker 3: funny mother. You know we were funny like we was 1278 01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:21,160 Speaker 3: because at that time rap change, everyone was so hard, right, 1279 01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:23,880 Speaker 3: but this new thing came out and it was like 1280 01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:26,280 Speaker 3: we was having fun, like and it was bitches around. 1281 01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:28,720 Speaker 3: It was like it was another thing. So you know, 1282 01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:32,080 Speaker 3: we was in it all that like step fashion and shit. 1283 01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:33,960 Speaker 3: So when I met them, it was like meeting my 1284 01:01:34,040 --> 01:01:36,080 Speaker 3: kindred spirits. Like I was like, oh, I known you 1285 01:01:36,160 --> 01:01:39,240 Speaker 3: my whole life. So we just man, we ran around 1286 01:01:39,240 --> 01:01:39,720 Speaker 3: the whole world. 1287 01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:39,920 Speaker 2: Man. 1288 01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:41,600 Speaker 3: We went to England the first time they went. We 1289 01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:43,400 Speaker 3: did all this wild shit. It was super fun and 1290 01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:45,760 Speaker 3: to this day, like those are my brothers. Like I 1291 01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:48,560 Speaker 3: speak to Post all the time. You know, Like when 1292 01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:51,080 Speaker 3: day passed, I was like, really, you know, that took 1293 01:01:51,080 --> 01:01:53,040 Speaker 3: a lot out of us. But you know, when he passed, 1294 01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:55,040 Speaker 3: I went to New York. I spoke the past and 1295 01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:57,440 Speaker 3: He's like, come to the shit, stop bullshit. So I 1296 01:01:57,440 --> 01:01:59,160 Speaker 3: got a ticket, Like the last second I went to 1297 01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:01,480 Speaker 3: New York and I was there when when they had 1298 01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:03,800 Speaker 3: the big thing at Webster Hall with Dave Chappelle and 1299 01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:06,280 Speaker 3: all that. Like I was on stage, like you know, 1300 01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:08,800 Speaker 3: I was with Latifa, I'm with Loa because Dana's like 1301 01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:12,120 Speaker 3: my sister, and I'm there and we're common. And I 1302 01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:13,880 Speaker 3: got to tell you, man that she was like a 1303 01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:16,720 Speaker 3: spiritual experience. Man. I was like, you know, I didn't 1304 01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:18,520 Speaker 3: go to high school. I barely went to high school. 1305 01:02:18,520 --> 01:02:20,640 Speaker 3: I didn't go to college, but I went to hip hop. 1306 01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:23,320 Speaker 3: That's my college, right. So and that was like my 1307 01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:26,520 Speaker 3: college reunion. I was there with my people, with pas 1308 01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:30,120 Speaker 3: and and you know, everyone was there and Mace and man, 1309 01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:32,760 Speaker 3: that shit was great. And and you know, look the 1310 01:02:32,800 --> 01:02:35,120 Speaker 3: people you meet when you're a young man, you're becoming 1311 01:02:35,120 --> 01:02:38,200 Speaker 3: a man. Those people are very important your whole life, 1312 01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:41,280 Speaker 3: right because you have gone you have you know, you 1313 01:02:41,360 --> 01:02:44,120 Speaker 3: watch people have children, You watch people get married, you 1314 01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:46,280 Speaker 3: might some get divorce. You watch people go from being 1315 01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:48,920 Speaker 3: young men to be to be men. And that to 1316 01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:51,680 Speaker 3: me is like those bonds we make them, they never 1317 01:02:51,720 --> 01:02:54,120 Speaker 3: go away. So me and me and day lives like 1318 01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:57,200 Speaker 3: you know to this day, were like, you know, always connected. 1319 01:02:57,240 --> 01:02:59,000 Speaker 3: I go to Miami. I'm gonna go see pass. You know. 1320 01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:02,880 Speaker 3: That's how it is, you know. And those dudes musically 1321 01:03:03,880 --> 01:03:06,520 Speaker 3: like they change everything, Like you know, look, there's people 1322 01:03:06,520 --> 01:03:11,880 Speaker 3: who change everything. NWA changed everything, right, Dayla Soul changed everything. 1323 01:03:12,120 --> 01:03:15,520 Speaker 3: There's before run DMC changed everything. There's before and after. 1324 01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:18,160 Speaker 3: Motherfuckers come out and they do this, and then there's 1325 01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:20,360 Speaker 3: what happens afterwards. So they're one of those groups that 1326 01:03:20,560 --> 01:03:24,080 Speaker 3: changed everything. And I'm lucky and that Wu Tang change everything, 1327 01:03:24,120 --> 01:03:27,400 Speaker 3: you know, I'm lucky enough to have been around that shit, 1328 01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:30,480 Speaker 3: you know. And you know, my Pops is like a 1329 01:03:30,600 --> 01:03:33,480 Speaker 3: very smart cat. He hung out with all these jazz musicians, like, 1330 01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:39,320 Speaker 3: but he he always knew, like he always could spot greatness, right, 1331 01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:42,560 Speaker 3: So I'm lucky enough that I could see sometimes. And 1332 01:03:42,600 --> 01:03:45,080 Speaker 3: it's not only the music, it's the culture around it. 1333 01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:47,600 Speaker 3: You can see the greatness if you're lucky, right, And 1334 01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:49,439 Speaker 3: Daylight was one of the things that was a moment 1335 01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:53,400 Speaker 3: in time when you felt like, man. 1336 01:03:53,360 --> 01:03:53,520 Speaker 2: Like. 1337 01:03:57,440 --> 01:04:01,640 Speaker 3: Eight did you ever go to Latin Quarters? So the 1338 01:04:01,720 --> 01:04:04,080 Speaker 3: Latin Quarters to me was like I was like, every 1339 01:04:04,120 --> 01:04:06,640 Speaker 3: single one of these fucking groups gonna be famous probably, 1340 01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:09,800 Speaker 3: like how World on Wheels was all that everything, like 1341 01:04:09,840 --> 01:04:12,440 Speaker 3: every one of these motherfucker's gonna be famous, right. It 1342 01:04:12,560 --> 01:04:14,000 Speaker 3: was just like it was in the It was in 1343 01:04:14,040 --> 01:04:16,560 Speaker 3: the air. I can't explain it other than that it 1344 01:04:16,640 --> 01:04:17,160 Speaker 3: was crazy. 1345 01:04:17,840 --> 01:04:20,280 Speaker 1: No, for the last group I want to ask you 1346 01:04:20,360 --> 01:04:22,480 Speaker 1: was a two fold question, Leaders of the New School. 1347 01:04:23,040 --> 01:04:25,800 Speaker 3: Oh that's okay. So Leaves of New School is like 1348 01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:27,800 Speaker 3: the best and worst group I worked with of all 1349 01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:30,520 Speaker 3: time because they were like r they kicked him out, 1350 01:04:30,520 --> 01:04:32,960 Speaker 3: didn't they They didn't really kick him out. They kind 1351 01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:34,960 Speaker 3: of just ruined it all like so, so it was 1352 01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:38,960 Speaker 3: like they never got along too good. But there was 1353 01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:42,760 Speaker 3: always like tension between Brown and Buster. It was always beat, 1354 01:04:43,160 --> 01:04:47,680 Speaker 3: always little shit going on, and it was jealousy because 1355 01:04:47,680 --> 01:04:50,200 Speaker 3: Buster was a star. We've seen it. He was like 1356 01:04:50,520 --> 01:04:53,640 Speaker 3: his motherfucker is a star, and Charlie Brown was dope. 1357 01:04:53,720 --> 01:04:54,720 Speaker 3: Don't get it fucked up. 1358 01:04:56,520 --> 01:04:57,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, he wasn't. 1359 01:04:58,040 --> 01:05:00,200 Speaker 3: Enough Buster rhymes though, you know there's only one to. 1360 01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:05,000 Speaker 2: Him, showman. He wasn't the show that Buster was. Knew 1361 01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:08,960 Speaker 2: he had the showmanship. You give me everybody else is 1362 01:05:09,080 --> 01:05:12,600 Speaker 2: in the group. You give me right right lyrics, We 1363 01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:16,800 Speaker 2: got lyrics. But you you know, when there's this that 1364 01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:19,520 Speaker 2: Nigga's gonna be superstar, you get me. 1365 01:05:19,640 --> 01:05:24,120 Speaker 3: I mean he he had that Jamaican dance all ship, 1366 01:05:24,360 --> 01:05:27,120 Speaker 3: you know what I mean? Like you know, like like 1367 01:05:27,160 --> 01:05:29,000 Speaker 3: in New York, we have a lot of Jamaican culture. 1368 01:05:29,080 --> 01:05:30,880 Speaker 3: I grew up. I lived in Brooklyn, went to the 1369 01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:34,680 Speaker 3: high school Brooklyn. So Jamaican people is if you ever 1370 01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:37,240 Speaker 3: go to Jamaica and if you ever peep any dancel ship, 1371 01:05:37,360 --> 01:05:40,439 Speaker 3: no slouches make it because it's so It's the third 1372 01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:43,160 Speaker 3: world in Jamaica. My book is is poverty is real. 1373 01:05:43,640 --> 01:05:46,080 Speaker 3: So if you made records at Jamaica, you dope at fuck. 1374 01:05:46,520 --> 01:05:49,520 Speaker 3: Buster has that thing in him, like he's super competitive 1375 01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:52,360 Speaker 3: and super dope because it means everything to him. His 1376 01:05:52,440 --> 01:05:55,400 Speaker 3: work ethic is crazy. So you know, there was jealousy 1377 01:05:55,440 --> 01:05:59,120 Speaker 3: and it was mounting. And as we got to the 1378 01:05:59,160 --> 01:06:02,200 Speaker 3: second record, like I always say, scenario is the greatest 1379 01:06:02,200 --> 01:06:03,960 Speaker 3: thing to have the leaders in new school. It's the 1380 01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:06,480 Speaker 3: worst thing to have no leaders in new school. Because 1381 01:06:06,840 --> 01:06:11,240 Speaker 3: Buster rhymes qut doing the crazy al Right, he was like, 1382 01:06:11,600 --> 01:06:14,440 Speaker 3: I'm gonna make this whole record. This one part is 1383 01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:18,400 Speaker 3: a showcase for him, Like watch this and it passes him. 1384 01:06:18,440 --> 01:06:23,320 Speaker 3: The rock exactly drops the drums, and then Buster has 1385 01:06:23,360 --> 01:06:26,400 Speaker 3: the you know, he's just no drums and he's just 1386 01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:28,520 Speaker 3: as I come, you know, as I rewind, Like the 1387 01:06:28,560 --> 01:06:33,640 Speaker 3: shit is just crazy. So after that, everyone's tapping on 1388 01:06:33,720 --> 01:06:35,880 Speaker 3: Buster's shoulder, do this feature, to do this feature, puffs 1389 01:06:35,880 --> 01:06:39,040 Speaker 3: in his ear, fucking everyone's trying to fucking him big 1390 01:06:39,080 --> 01:06:42,040 Speaker 3: as hollering at him. He's a you know, tribe is 1391 01:06:42,120 --> 01:06:44,640 Speaker 3: with him all the time. He's like he is starting 1392 01:06:44,680 --> 01:06:47,840 Speaker 3: to really shine, and shit gets really hectic. And with 1393 01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:50,480 Speaker 3: that second record time, if you ever listen to it, 1394 01:06:50,800 --> 01:06:53,840 Speaker 3: they're all trying to out wrap each other. No one's 1395 01:06:53,840 --> 01:06:55,840 Speaker 3: giving each other. It's not a group no more. It's 1396 01:06:55,880 --> 01:06:58,480 Speaker 3: all like look at me, look at me. It's not cohesive. 1397 01:06:58,880 --> 01:07:01,480 Speaker 3: And they made the record the first time and it 1398 01:07:01,560 --> 01:07:04,440 Speaker 3: was yo. It was whack yo. They delivered it the 1399 01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:06,680 Speaker 3: first time, and Chris Lighty rests in peace. He was 1400 01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:09,000 Speaker 3: their manager. He was like my really good friend and 1401 01:07:09,120 --> 01:07:11,160 Speaker 3: me I was like, Chris, what's up with this record? 1402 01:07:11,240 --> 01:07:12,520 Speaker 3: He was like, the shit's whack. I was like, the 1403 01:07:12,560 --> 01:07:15,520 Speaker 3: shit's whag. So we sent him back. We sent him 1404 01:07:15,560 --> 01:07:17,959 Speaker 3: back to do a whole record again, and it got better, 1405 01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:20,600 Speaker 3: but not a whole lot better, and I had wanted 1406 01:07:20,680 --> 01:07:23,120 Speaker 3: Q Tip to go do the whole redo, the whole record, 1407 01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:25,680 Speaker 3: and was so bugged out. All of them said no, 1408 01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:27,840 Speaker 3: but Buster took him to side. He said, Yo, I 1409 01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:30,880 Speaker 3: like that idea's and I was like, this guy's smarter 1410 01:07:30,920 --> 01:07:33,600 Speaker 3: than everyone else. So record came out and it didn't 1411 01:07:33,600 --> 01:07:36,640 Speaker 3: do too good, got bad reviews, and I knew they're 1412 01:07:36,640 --> 01:07:39,000 Speaker 3: gonna break up. And the whole time me and Chris 1413 01:07:39,120 --> 01:07:40,720 Speaker 3: was like, Buster, we got you on the solo, We 1414 01:07:40,760 --> 01:07:42,680 Speaker 3: got you on the solo, We got you, we got you, 1415 01:07:43,000 --> 01:07:44,600 Speaker 3: And it took him. He didn't want to do it. 1416 01:07:44,680 --> 01:07:47,000 Speaker 3: He did not want to do it because he was 1417 01:07:47,040 --> 01:07:50,360 Speaker 3: a little scared. He was only nineteen and he had 1418 01:07:50,360 --> 01:07:52,240 Speaker 3: been in the group, and he felt like he didn't 1419 01:07:52,240 --> 01:07:54,720 Speaker 3: want to be disloyal. He felt like that was you know, 1420 01:07:54,920 --> 01:07:56,960 Speaker 3: this is my click and I'm gonna I'm gonna write 1421 01:07:56,960 --> 01:07:59,560 Speaker 3: out with my people and that's what I signed on for. 1422 01:07:59,840 --> 01:08:02,040 Speaker 3: And then when, but when Charlie pulled that shit on 1423 01:08:02,040 --> 01:08:05,120 Speaker 3: the O MTV raps, when he basically was like broke 1424 01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:10,240 Speaker 3: the band up on TV, you know, Buster was so man. 1425 01:08:10,440 --> 01:08:13,800 Speaker 3: You ever seen someone get so mad they cry like 1426 01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:16,960 Speaker 3: they so mad they cried like they they're not They're 1427 01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:19,479 Speaker 3: not hurt like that, they're not sad. They're so angry. 1428 01:08:19,479 --> 01:08:22,000 Speaker 3: They crackers. Some want to kill somebody. That's how Buster was. 1429 01:08:22,360 --> 01:08:25,120 Speaker 3: And me and him just we hung out the whole 1430 01:08:25,520 --> 01:08:29,360 Speaker 3: the whole day, like and I was like, come on, man, 1431 01:08:29,400 --> 01:08:30,880 Speaker 3: you know what it is like, you know, you're ready, 1432 01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:32,760 Speaker 3: and he was like, you know, he's like I think 1433 01:08:32,760 --> 01:08:34,439 Speaker 3: I'm ready, And he came back and said he was ready, 1434 01:08:34,479 --> 01:08:36,400 Speaker 3: and then Bomb we just went and did the Bust 1435 01:08:36,400 --> 01:08:38,680 Speaker 3: of Rhymes show and that was that, you know, and like, 1436 01:08:38,720 --> 01:08:41,839 Speaker 3: I don't regret it at all. Look, those guys leaders 1437 01:08:41,840 --> 01:08:45,040 Speaker 3: had talent, you know, but but Busterer Rohns was probably 1438 01:08:45,040 --> 01:08:47,400 Speaker 3: always should have been a solo artist. He's that dope. 1439 01:08:47,920 --> 01:08:49,920 Speaker 3: And and you know the proof is in the pudding. 1440 01:08:49,960 --> 01:08:52,720 Speaker 3: He's still here, still relevant. Well how many years later, 1441 01:08:52,800 --> 01:08:55,280 Speaker 3: right thirty five years later, it's like it's like Brand 1442 01:08:55,320 --> 01:08:58,640 Speaker 3: Nubian too. They had split up and everyone told me, 1443 01:08:58,680 --> 01:09:01,840 Speaker 3: don't make them. They ain't not ship without Grand poo Ba. 1444 01:09:02,960 --> 01:09:04,920 Speaker 3: But then they put up Punch Jump Up, and I 1445 01:09:05,320 --> 01:09:07,519 Speaker 3: believe that they had it. I didn't feel like the 1446 01:09:07,600 --> 01:09:09,880 Speaker 3: leaders without Buster had it the way that Brand Newbian 1447 01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:12,120 Speaker 3: did I can't say it a thing the other way. 1448 01:09:11,880 --> 01:09:14,880 Speaker 2: They had they had some they had some cuts that 1449 01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:19,600 Speaker 2: were sustainable. Like you said, they were able to you know, 1450 01:09:20,240 --> 01:09:23,120 Speaker 2: don't let it go to your head and yeah, punks 1451 01:09:23,160 --> 01:09:26,519 Speaker 2: jump up g beat that they had songs, so yeah, 1452 01:09:26,960 --> 01:09:29,720 Speaker 2: able to sustain without grand Pool. But now I like 1453 01:09:29,800 --> 01:09:30,840 Speaker 2: the grand Poopa too. 1454 01:09:31,640 --> 01:09:32,479 Speaker 1: I love it. 1455 01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:34,680 Speaker 3: He was he was nasty, he was you know, there 1456 01:09:34,720 --> 01:09:36,720 Speaker 3: was like I would say this, like for one year, 1457 01:09:36,840 --> 01:09:38,599 Speaker 3: Like there's a lot of dudes who was like top 1458 01:09:38,680 --> 01:09:41,240 Speaker 3: dog for a year. For like one year, grand Poopa 1459 01:09:41,400 --> 01:09:43,600 Speaker 3: was the top dog in New York. But you know, 1460 01:09:44,200 --> 01:09:46,080 Speaker 3: you got to do it for ten years, five years. 1461 01:09:46,120 --> 01:09:48,439 Speaker 3: You can't do it for one year. It's tough, you know. 1462 01:09:48,960 --> 01:09:52,240 Speaker 2: And where did grand Poopa come from? Did he come 1463 01:09:52,280 --> 01:09:57,000 Speaker 2: from a group called Masters Ceremony ship Man? 1464 01:09:57,400 --> 01:10:00,080 Speaker 3: That was the ship sexy was I mean, they was 1465 01:10:00,120 --> 01:10:02,080 Speaker 3: banging out on kDa that was a k record. 1466 01:10:02,439 --> 01:10:04,080 Speaker 2: The record was hard as fun. 1467 01:10:04,280 --> 01:10:06,720 Speaker 3: It was hard. Look man, we were fans of grand 1468 01:10:06,760 --> 01:10:08,760 Speaker 3: Pool by me and when we was making Daylight Soul 1469 01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:12,519 Speaker 3: record was grand Pool. Its nice. We're like, I don't 1470 01:10:12,520 --> 01:10:13,960 Speaker 3: know about the rest of the group so much, but 1471 01:10:14,240 --> 01:10:15,880 Speaker 3: grand Pool by Yeah, he's nice. 1472 01:10:16,280 --> 01:10:18,960 Speaker 2: He was nice. Man, He definitely was nice. 1473 01:10:19,600 --> 01:10:22,600 Speaker 3: You know. So he I mean, you know, and he 1474 01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:24,280 Speaker 3: had a he had a run for a minute, you know. 1475 01:10:24,360 --> 01:10:26,639 Speaker 3: And so the brand new being and look man music 1476 01:10:26,760 --> 01:10:31,519 Speaker 3: is it's it's really hard to sustain. Man, it's so hard. 1477 01:10:31,880 --> 01:10:34,200 Speaker 3: And because just because you don't do it and you're 1478 01:10:34,240 --> 01:10:36,160 Speaker 3: not a top dog for ten years of twenty years, 1479 01:10:36,200 --> 01:10:37,640 Speaker 3: doesn't mean it wasn't great. You know. 1480 01:10:37,920 --> 01:10:40,880 Speaker 1: It's just like you know, when I knew bust Around 1481 01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:44,080 Speaker 1: was gonna be the ship I played college football, right 1482 01:10:45,479 --> 01:10:47,280 Speaker 1: we was about to play We was about to play 1483 01:10:47,320 --> 01:10:49,960 Speaker 1: somebody that was big. We was about to play Arizona 1484 01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:53,640 Speaker 1: when they had the desert swarm. That's when this is 1485 01:10:53,640 --> 01:10:54,920 Speaker 1: a big game. When I go to a little bit 1486 01:10:54,960 --> 01:10:58,000 Speaker 1: he has Mexical State. And that was the year they 1487 01:10:58,120 --> 01:11:00,400 Speaker 1: was number one team in the country and we lost 1488 01:11:00,479 --> 01:11:03,400 Speaker 1: them fourteen to seven. We listened to We've got the 1489 01:11:03,400 --> 01:11:05,840 Speaker 1: bus from Los Cruises all the way to Arizona. You 1490 01:11:05,880 --> 01:11:08,040 Speaker 1: know what, they played back to back and that's when 1491 01:11:08,040 --> 01:11:10,120 Speaker 1: I started sucking with bust a brand. Come on down, 1492 01:11:10,240 --> 01:11:12,800 Speaker 1: come on down, come on down. Think that he kinge joint. 1493 01:11:13,120 --> 01:11:17,800 Speaker 1: That's that that that real minisent. And he was like 1494 01:11:18,880 --> 01:11:21,679 Speaker 1: hold over the track Man. We went out there almost 1495 01:11:21,760 --> 01:11:23,800 Speaker 1: upset fucking Arizona listening to that song. 1496 01:11:23,880 --> 01:11:28,000 Speaker 3: Man you know came back eight did you know came 1497 01:11:28,080 --> 01:11:28,400 Speaker 3: back in. 1498 01:11:28,360 --> 01:11:31,320 Speaker 2: The day I bang came Like it wasn't ship he 1499 01:11:31,439 --> 01:11:33,320 Speaker 2: became with this man. 1500 01:11:33,960 --> 01:11:37,200 Speaker 3: He was nasty king was like the James Brown of rap. 1501 01:11:37,400 --> 01:11:40,679 Speaker 2: Like he was like he was dishes man, especially when 1502 01:11:40,680 --> 01:11:44,719 Speaker 2: he went off on records. You gave me that smooth 1503 01:11:44,760 --> 01:11:45,879 Speaker 2: operator type. 1504 01:11:45,640 --> 01:11:50,360 Speaker 3: Shot rap, mad the wrapping like that. 1505 01:11:51,600 --> 01:12:01,639 Speaker 2: Let it roll, get bold explore man. 1506 01:12:01,680 --> 01:12:03,479 Speaker 3: When I like, I used to see him at the 1507 01:12:03,520 --> 01:12:06,960 Speaker 3: Latin Quarters and I was like, this motherfucker is the 1508 01:12:07,000 --> 01:12:09,639 Speaker 3: greatest motherfucker in the world. I was like, he's the greatest. 1509 01:12:10,120 --> 01:12:12,640 Speaker 3: I really was like he's the greatest, Like he was 1510 01:12:12,760 --> 01:12:16,040 Speaker 3: so ill to me. Ain't Carris once too? Totally different 1511 01:12:16,040 --> 01:12:19,559 Speaker 3: but super crazy for you know like that that like 1512 01:12:20,080 --> 01:12:23,720 Speaker 3: witnessing that man, that was like to me, like I've 1513 01:12:23,720 --> 01:12:25,760 Speaker 3: seen everything, that's still to me the greatest shit I 1514 01:12:25,760 --> 01:12:26,200 Speaker 3: ever seen. 1515 01:12:26,640 --> 01:12:29,559 Speaker 2: Raps. We had the greatest rhymers man of all time 1516 01:12:29,640 --> 01:12:34,360 Speaker 2: in our era and body. But we, like I said, 1517 01:12:34,360 --> 01:12:36,920 Speaker 2: it was a certain pride we took when it came 1518 01:12:36,960 --> 01:12:40,360 Speaker 2: to making songs and music and we looked at that 1519 01:12:40,439 --> 01:12:43,320 Speaker 2: as man, you can't make it here. Nigga, you ain't 1520 01:12:43,320 --> 01:12:46,479 Speaker 2: making it nowhere, so you better put in some shit 1521 01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:51,799 Speaker 2: because nigga act to the block. It's back to shootout 1522 01:12:51,880 --> 01:12:54,840 Speaker 2: to drug sales. So I got you, I got it, 1523 01:12:55,280 --> 01:12:58,000 Speaker 2: I got it, man. It got to make sense right now, 1524 01:12:58,160 --> 01:13:01,360 Speaker 2: you feel me? And somewhere repped like they was trying 1525 01:13:01,360 --> 01:13:03,880 Speaker 2: to get off the block. Some motherfuckers just put their 1526 01:13:03,920 --> 01:13:06,880 Speaker 2: ass and yeah, every nigga who was rapping back then 1527 01:13:07,000 --> 01:13:09,360 Speaker 2: was trying to get the fuck off the block. And 1528 01:13:09,400 --> 01:13:13,360 Speaker 2: once they once they knew, wait a minute, I could 1529 01:13:13,400 --> 01:13:16,960 Speaker 2: put some some real shit together and nigga's finna pay 1530 01:13:17,080 --> 01:13:22,000 Speaker 2: me a couple of million. Nigga, I'm about to get men. Nigga, please, nigga. 1531 01:13:22,040 --> 01:13:25,760 Speaker 2: I'm like, nigga, it ain't finna be just no. You 1532 01:13:25,800 --> 01:13:28,880 Speaker 2: know ABC one two three, Mary had a little lamb 1533 01:13:28,920 --> 01:13:32,760 Speaker 2: and you know, block, Nigga, I'm shit to where you're 1534 01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:35,759 Speaker 2: gonna be like, God, damn, this motherfucker hard. 1535 01:13:36,320 --> 01:13:38,559 Speaker 3: And so year did you first make your first record? 1536 01:13:38,640 --> 01:13:39,840 Speaker 3: What year was your first record? 1537 01:13:40,120 --> 01:13:44,000 Speaker 2: My first record was probably eighty seven, eighty six, eighty seven. 1538 01:13:44,200 --> 01:13:47,760 Speaker 2: I had a single out with DJ Slip, and I 1539 01:13:47,880 --> 01:13:50,479 Speaker 2: wasn't doing shit on it, just chatting on the record, 1540 01:13:50,720 --> 01:13:53,240 Speaker 2: but I was. I was a sixteen year old kid 1541 01:13:53,720 --> 01:13:56,800 Speaker 2: like and Slip used to make They used to make 1542 01:13:56,840 --> 01:13:59,960 Speaker 2: techno records out here, you get me. A lot of 1543 01:14:00,080 --> 01:14:05,400 Speaker 2: techno came through La before the establishments of Tone Looks 1544 01:14:05,479 --> 01:14:06,720 Speaker 2: and Toddy T's. 1545 01:14:06,479 --> 01:14:09,439 Speaker 3: And all the electro shit, all the like up tempo 1546 01:14:09,640 --> 01:14:11,760 Speaker 3: like they did all the records. 1547 01:14:11,920 --> 01:14:15,519 Speaker 2: Yeah, So me as a young kid trying to get 1548 01:14:15,560 --> 01:14:18,400 Speaker 2: out the hood ship, I would go I met Slip 1549 01:14:18,840 --> 01:14:20,880 Speaker 2: and I would just go sit up at slips house 1550 01:14:20,920 --> 01:14:23,559 Speaker 2: while he would do techno records from you know, that's 1551 01:14:23,560 --> 01:14:26,759 Speaker 2: how they made their bread. I'm gonna make a twelve 1552 01:14:26,800 --> 01:14:31,000 Speaker 2: inch nigga, call this motherfucker nigga the Shock of the Hour, 1553 01:14:31,240 --> 01:14:34,200 Speaker 2: some crazy shit and I'm gonna throw this motherfucker out 1554 01:14:34,200 --> 01:14:37,320 Speaker 2: and the swap meets and on and the record pools 1555 01:14:37,400 --> 01:14:39,800 Speaker 2: and all that shit. And that's how niggas made their 1556 01:14:39,880 --> 01:14:43,600 Speaker 2: little change back then. And so Slip used to let me, 1557 01:14:45,800 --> 01:14:50,360 Speaker 2: you know, niggas Compton City conton something, and I would 1558 01:14:50,400 --> 01:14:53,160 Speaker 2: just do chants and make records with him while he 1559 01:14:53,240 --> 01:14:55,280 Speaker 2: did the beats and the music, and I would just 1560 01:14:55,439 --> 01:14:58,439 Speaker 2: Chi and it went from there to go, I'm fenna 1561 01:14:58,479 --> 01:15:01,080 Speaker 2: write a fucking rap, and then I just started writing 1562 01:15:02,040 --> 01:15:05,240 Speaker 2: and then going through the situations I was going through 1563 01:15:05,280 --> 01:15:09,320 Speaker 2: every day with high school and gang bang and team 1564 01:15:09,520 --> 01:15:13,760 Speaker 2: pregnancy and trying to sell crack pieces to you know, 1565 01:15:14,680 --> 01:15:17,360 Speaker 2: I just start pinning the shit about the life. I 1566 01:15:17,479 --> 01:15:21,280 Speaker 2: was shit, nigga. Today we woke up, niggas tried to 1567 01:15:21,320 --> 01:15:25,479 Speaker 2: sweat us. Police came through the home meet. God shot nigga. 1568 01:15:25,479 --> 01:15:27,519 Speaker 2: I was at the swap meet trying to find me. 1569 01:15:27,680 --> 01:15:30,719 Speaker 2: This got into it with some niggas from the other side, 1570 01:15:31,120 --> 01:15:33,040 Speaker 2: and you would just start writing that, and then it 1571 01:15:33,160 --> 01:15:36,120 Speaker 2: turned more serious. When you start going I need to 1572 01:15:36,120 --> 01:15:41,360 Speaker 2: make some money, turned from I can't get a job. 1573 01:15:41,600 --> 01:15:45,120 Speaker 2: I got no high school education, I ain't went to college. 1574 01:15:45,400 --> 01:15:48,280 Speaker 2: You get me. I'm out here gang banging, trying to 1575 01:15:48,280 --> 01:15:52,360 Speaker 2: sell dope to make ends meet. Where the fuck am 1576 01:15:52,439 --> 01:15:56,400 Speaker 2: I going? You get me? What's so different? Because I 1577 01:15:56,479 --> 01:15:58,479 Speaker 2: look up every day when I go to school and 1578 01:15:58,520 --> 01:16:01,160 Speaker 2: I see a hundred niggas just like me. You get me. 1579 01:16:02,080 --> 01:16:04,960 Speaker 2: They're in the same shit. We all got on raiders 1580 01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:08,439 Speaker 2: hats and white T shirts and khakis and cortels, and 1581 01:16:08,479 --> 01:16:11,559 Speaker 2: we all doing the same shit. You gotta separate yourself 1582 01:16:11,600 --> 01:16:14,200 Speaker 2: from the ship. So, like I said, I just started 1583 01:16:14,200 --> 01:16:18,400 Speaker 2: writing raps about the community and niggas can't get ahead, 1584 01:16:18,800 --> 01:16:22,720 Speaker 2: and niggas can't get a break, and motherfucking you got 1585 01:16:22,800 --> 01:16:25,360 Speaker 2: niggas over here wanting to kill you. You got one 1586 01:16:25,479 --> 01:16:28,280 Speaker 2: time's over here want the jack you you get. So 1587 01:16:28,680 --> 01:16:32,479 Speaker 2: that's how I started constructing my ship, to make it like, oh, 1588 01:16:32,520 --> 01:16:37,240 Speaker 2: it's niggas like me out there, like you know, fun 1589 01:16:37,320 --> 01:16:39,200 Speaker 2: and you know, we had the young m c's and 1590 01:16:39,280 --> 01:16:42,360 Speaker 2: we had the JJ Fatz and we had the fun wraps. 1591 01:16:42,560 --> 01:16:46,080 Speaker 2: But then nigga is some serious shit going on out here. 1592 01:16:46,640 --> 01:16:48,479 Speaker 3: Well six in the morning. The one I got you 1593 01:16:48,560 --> 01:16:51,519 Speaker 3: like to like know you can do with that stuff. 1594 01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:58,920 Speaker 2: Honestly, Eric Rockim the president president is you start rapping 1595 01:16:59,040 --> 01:17:02,160 Speaker 2: like our rap as to what he's doing, because he 1596 01:17:02,320 --> 01:17:05,040 Speaker 2: was even though it was it was he was the 1597 01:17:05,080 --> 01:17:08,840 Speaker 2: same ship you give me. I'm taking off my coat, Nigga, 1598 01:17:09,080 --> 01:17:13,360 Speaker 2: the rhyme's antagonized me. Nigga, I'm I'm looking for a donut. Nigga, 1599 01:17:13,400 --> 01:17:17,400 Speaker 2: the bitch trying to glaze me. You get love it 1600 01:17:17,520 --> 01:17:20,519 Speaker 2: ship you give me. He wasn't talking about you. I 1601 01:17:20,720 --> 01:17:23,800 Speaker 2: rock Hemp having fun, Nigga, I'm in the struggle out here. 1602 01:17:23,920 --> 01:17:26,880 Speaker 3: You get was signing ice cold. 1603 01:17:27,120 --> 01:17:29,439 Speaker 2: Then I came to the door. I said it before, Nigga, 1604 01:17:29,439 --> 01:17:32,000 Speaker 2: I never let the mic magnetize me no more. But 1605 01:17:32,000 --> 01:17:36,679 Speaker 2: it's biting me. You get me he telling you some ship, Nigga. 1606 01:17:36,720 --> 01:17:39,559 Speaker 2: I got to take off my coat and clear my throat. Nigga, Like, 1607 01:17:39,880 --> 01:17:42,360 Speaker 2: let me let me talk to me right quick. That's 1608 01:17:42,360 --> 01:17:45,679 Speaker 2: what made me take Raps serious when I heard him crazy. 1609 01:17:46,080 --> 01:17:48,120 Speaker 1: That's what you think I said, when you first heard 1610 01:17:48,080 --> 01:17:50,000 Speaker 1: a Gainst the Rep, like be real, like when we 1611 01:17:50,040 --> 01:17:51,400 Speaker 1: first heard a Gainst the Rep that you know it 1612 01:17:51,479 --> 01:17:52,120 Speaker 1: was gonna be some ship. 1613 01:17:52,880 --> 01:17:55,479 Speaker 3: So I'm one of the like five people in New 1614 01:17:55,560 --> 01:17:57,639 Speaker 3: York who liked that, n w A. So I came 1615 01:17:57,680 --> 01:18:00,360 Speaker 3: to this is such a funny story. I came LA 1616 01:18:00,680 --> 01:18:05,320 Speaker 3: for motherfucking BRR. I think you remember br I came 1617 01:18:05,360 --> 01:18:08,320 Speaker 3: for the br shit I was working. I think I 1618 01:18:08,360 --> 01:18:10,840 Speaker 3: was working at Tommy Boy. I just started working at 1619 01:18:10,880 --> 01:18:16,000 Speaker 3: eighty seven, and I grew up with this is the 1620 01:18:16,040 --> 01:18:19,639 Speaker 3: craziest thing. I grew up with Kadeem Hardisan Dwayne Wayne 1621 01:18:19,680 --> 01:18:23,080 Speaker 3: from from Cosby Show. He's my childhood friend. We went 1622 01:18:23,120 --> 01:18:26,080 Speaker 3: to his mom and my mom's in school. He's my brother, 1623 01:18:26,240 --> 01:18:28,720 Speaker 3: so literally my friend from grade school. So I was 1624 01:18:28,720 --> 01:18:31,280 Speaker 3: hanging out with him. I checked in him every time 1625 01:18:31,320 --> 01:18:32,800 Speaker 3: I came out of and he was like, you heard 1626 01:18:32,800 --> 01:18:34,680 Speaker 3: this shit yet, And it was like it was is 1627 01:18:34,800 --> 01:18:37,240 Speaker 3: makaj and it was dope Man, and I was like, 1628 01:18:37,320 --> 01:18:39,680 Speaker 3: what the fuck? And it sounded kind of like the 1629 01:18:39,720 --> 01:18:44,519 Speaker 3: Beastie Boys, but it was ill and they had to skit, 1630 01:18:44,800 --> 01:18:47,280 Speaker 3: you know, hey, mister dope man, the whole shit. And 1631 01:18:47,280 --> 01:18:48,760 Speaker 3: then I went to bu up to twelve and I 1632 01:18:48,800 --> 01:18:50,160 Speaker 3: was like, I want to go buy that, bring it 1633 01:18:50,200 --> 01:18:52,320 Speaker 3: back home. I brought it and I've seen the cover 1634 01:18:52,360 --> 01:18:54,559 Speaker 3: and the cover it just bugged me the fuck out. 1635 01:18:54,840 --> 01:18:57,000 Speaker 3: I was like, who the fuck are these motherfuckers? This 1636 01:18:57,000 --> 01:19:00,800 Speaker 3: shit is wild? So I was fan. I was. I was. 1637 01:19:00,840 --> 01:19:02,800 Speaker 3: I like this ship. I liked it. It was I 1638 01:19:02,840 --> 01:19:05,200 Speaker 3: didn't know c I A. I knew Six in the Morning, 1639 01:19:05,240 --> 01:19:08,360 Speaker 3: I knew Ice Tea, I knew the Battle Ram but 1640 01:19:08,360 --> 01:19:10,240 Speaker 3: those records didn't really pop in New York like that, 1641 01:19:10,280 --> 01:19:12,479 Speaker 3: but I knew them. But I heard that Dope Man shit. 1642 01:19:12,520 --> 01:19:16,360 Speaker 3: I was like, this ship is crazy. And then I 1643 01:19:16,400 --> 01:19:19,640 Speaker 3: came back to La and I met Ice Cuban Dre 1644 01:19:20,439 --> 01:19:22,160 Speaker 3: so I was a fan. And if you look at 1645 01:19:22,160 --> 01:19:26,519 Speaker 3: that first Underway record, they said Dante Ross from the 1646 01:19:26,600 --> 01:19:29,720 Speaker 3: Tommy Boy because because I met them and they came 1647 01:19:29,760 --> 01:19:31,800 Speaker 3: to New York and they didn't know it was gonna 1648 01:19:31,800 --> 01:19:34,200 Speaker 3: be dumb cold. I took Cube to buy a coat 1649 01:19:34,560 --> 01:19:36,840 Speaker 3: because he came out with the little fucking he had 1650 01:19:36,840 --> 01:19:39,000 Speaker 3: the Derby jacket. He didn't have a real coat, like 1651 01:19:39,360 --> 01:19:42,000 Speaker 3: I was like, mother bucket, it's cold out here. So 1652 01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:44,479 Speaker 3: so I don't know, man, I always liked it. I 1653 01:19:44,560 --> 01:19:49,400 Speaker 3: liked it because ship was raw. Shit was raw, and 1654 01:19:49,439 --> 01:19:51,519 Speaker 3: it was they was talking some ship that wasn't like 1655 01:19:51,600 --> 01:19:53,880 Speaker 3: New York. They wasn't trying to be like New York. 1656 01:19:54,200 --> 01:19:57,519 Speaker 3: So I liked that about it, where like even Miami Base, 1657 01:19:57,680 --> 01:20:01,160 Speaker 3: I didn't really like Miami based music, but it was original. 1658 01:20:01,280 --> 01:20:03,479 Speaker 3: It wasn't trying to be New York. But I didn't 1659 01:20:03,520 --> 01:20:05,320 Speaker 3: like it the way I like gangster rap. 1660 01:20:09,160 --> 01:20:10,960 Speaker 1: Can I tell you a secret about Miami Base. 1661 01:20:11,560 --> 01:20:13,479 Speaker 3: I mean it's just electro, it's really just playing it 1662 01:20:13,520 --> 01:20:15,400 Speaker 3: round and you know that shit originated out here. 1663 01:20:15,760 --> 01:20:17,280 Speaker 1: They produced mixes. 1664 01:20:20,200 --> 01:20:22,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, I knew that he's from the Bay and and 1665 01:20:22,960 --> 01:20:26,400 Speaker 3: you know even like you know egypt like go you know, 1666 01:20:26,479 --> 01:20:29,599 Speaker 3: Egyptian Lover, like you know, Dill of freaking all those records, 1667 01:20:29,600 --> 01:20:31,639 Speaker 3: those are like before. Those are like two Live Crew 1668 01:20:31,720 --> 01:20:34,559 Speaker 3: before Two Lives to me, you know, but that music 1669 01:20:34,560 --> 01:20:37,080 Speaker 3: to me was when that came out, like that ship 1670 01:20:37,200 --> 01:20:39,439 Speaker 3: was like a little it was like it was cool. 1671 01:20:39,520 --> 01:20:41,040 Speaker 3: But then when they kept going with that, it was 1672 01:20:41,080 --> 01:20:43,599 Speaker 3: ancient to me, Like I was fucking with rock can, 1673 01:20:43,640 --> 01:20:47,680 Speaker 3: I was listening to whatever ll that shit was like that. 1674 01:20:47,720 --> 01:20:52,560 Speaker 2: Was our early I guess, our early introductions into the 1675 01:20:53,040 --> 01:20:56,840 Speaker 2: crossing over from the techno into the hip hop so 1676 01:20:57,000 --> 01:21:02,880 Speaker 2: to speak, you know, Egyptian Lover and the Wrecking Crew 1677 01:21:02,920 --> 01:21:07,320 Speaker 2: and and and those type of cat l a dream team. Uh, 1678 01:21:07,400 --> 01:21:10,600 Speaker 2: that was our introduction because you know we thought that 1679 01:21:10,720 --> 01:21:13,800 Speaker 2: was wrapped, you know, and my beat goes boom and 1680 01:21:14,400 --> 01:21:16,519 Speaker 2: what is the DJ if he can't what is a 1681 01:21:16,600 --> 01:21:17,799 Speaker 2: DJ if he can't straight? 1682 01:21:18,920 --> 01:21:21,160 Speaker 3: That was hard. That reck was hard. I can't run. 1683 01:21:21,280 --> 01:21:27,000 Speaker 3: That was hard. That was hard, but hard to me too, 1684 01:21:27,240 --> 01:21:27,839 Speaker 3: I can't. 1685 01:21:28,560 --> 01:21:32,160 Speaker 2: Dolla Freak was our ship too, because if it got 1686 01:21:32,160 --> 01:21:36,599 Speaker 2: the girls freaking works, donad Freak was our party anthem. 1687 01:21:36,960 --> 01:21:39,200 Speaker 2: And then, like I said, you. You wrapped it up 1688 01:21:39,200 --> 01:21:42,000 Speaker 2: with a little bit of Egyptian lover Like I said, 1689 01:21:42,040 --> 01:21:45,080 Speaker 2: my beat goes boom and what is a DJ? And 1690 01:21:45,120 --> 01:21:48,160 Speaker 2: then then you brought it back with ice tea and 1691 01:21:48,200 --> 01:21:50,840 Speaker 2: when he came with six in the morning, and then 1692 01:21:51,200 --> 01:21:54,400 Speaker 2: kind of set us on the path of finding our 1693 01:21:54,520 --> 01:21:57,480 Speaker 2: own identity as far as hip hop was concerned. 1694 01:21:58,040 --> 01:21:59,599 Speaker 3: Uh In The Battle right. 1695 01:22:02,000 --> 01:22:05,879 Speaker 2: Was was? The Battle Round was really a neighborhood jam 1696 01:22:07,200 --> 01:22:12,680 Speaker 2: until it got so popular that eve Jam, which was 1697 01:22:12,720 --> 01:22:16,400 Speaker 2: an independent label, put it out and then Todd ended 1698 01:22:16,439 --> 01:22:19,320 Speaker 2: up getting the deal like a single d N yeah 1699 01:22:19,400 --> 01:22:21,000 Speaker 2: because of it. 1700 01:22:21,040 --> 01:22:24,080 Speaker 3: So the Battle I mean I always liked I like 1701 01:22:24,160 --> 01:22:24,679 Speaker 3: that record. 1702 01:22:24,720 --> 01:22:27,120 Speaker 2: Like to me, it was like travel through stages. It 1703 01:22:27,240 --> 01:22:29,960 Speaker 2: went from the homie cassette tape, then it went to 1704 01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:33,040 Speaker 2: the independent label, then it made it to the majors. 1705 01:22:33,960 --> 01:22:35,720 Speaker 3: I mean I used to go to the swap meet. 1706 01:22:35,760 --> 01:22:37,400 Speaker 3: I used to go to I used to go to 1707 01:22:38,120 --> 01:22:41,439 Speaker 3: go to the swap meet and get hats me you know, 1708 01:22:41,520 --> 01:22:44,639 Speaker 3: the La hats, the embroider hats. And I would go 1709 01:22:44,680 --> 01:22:47,760 Speaker 3: there and I would ask dudes what the ship was, 1710 01:22:47,840 --> 01:22:49,920 Speaker 3: what was the tape, what was the thing to buy? 1711 01:22:50,760 --> 01:22:53,479 Speaker 3: And dudes would put me up on records in La 1712 01:22:53,760 --> 01:22:56,120 Speaker 3: like and I had met the dude. I went to 1713 01:22:56,160 --> 01:22:59,400 Speaker 3: the roodium in Torrents and I met that. I went 1714 01:22:59,479 --> 01:23:02,800 Speaker 3: to the dude ship Steve Ganno, the Japanese dude, and 1715 01:23:03,479 --> 01:23:05,559 Speaker 3: I bought records from him, like you know, I would, 1716 01:23:05,880 --> 01:23:08,320 Speaker 3: you know, I knew, like I had checked him out, 1717 01:23:08,360 --> 01:23:12,200 Speaker 3: but I remember that I had bought and I know 1718 01:23:12,280 --> 01:23:14,400 Speaker 3: you guys used to be funking, but I had got 1719 01:23:14,720 --> 01:23:17,519 Speaker 3: DJ Quick's tape at the swaplan before it came out, 1720 01:23:17,720 --> 01:23:19,080 Speaker 3: and it was called the Red Tape. 1721 01:23:19,479 --> 01:23:20,320 Speaker 2: Uh. 1722 01:23:20,360 --> 01:23:23,040 Speaker 3: And that album is the same album as Born and 1723 01:23:23,080 --> 01:23:25,920 Speaker 3: Raised in conference. Yeah, that was like eighty five percent 1724 01:23:26,000 --> 01:23:26,639 Speaker 3: the same ship. 1725 01:23:27,000 --> 01:23:30,200 Speaker 2: We had to change up some ship. Yeah, he changed 1726 01:23:30,280 --> 01:23:33,439 Speaker 2: up a little shit, but ninety percent of that that 1727 01:23:33,560 --> 01:23:35,520 Speaker 2: Red Tape was his first. 1728 01:23:35,200 --> 01:23:40,280 Speaker 3: Album album because I had, Yeah, he was talking ship, 1729 01:23:40,360 --> 01:23:41,360 Speaker 3: he was talking that ship. 1730 01:23:41,760 --> 01:23:43,960 Speaker 2: He did a gang of dissing on that Red tape. 1731 01:23:43,960 --> 01:23:46,599 Speaker 2: He was this in us, He was dising easy in them. 1732 01:23:46,680 --> 01:23:47,439 Speaker 2: He was dising that. 1733 01:23:47,840 --> 01:23:49,120 Speaker 3: He took shots at everyone. 1734 01:23:49,400 --> 01:23:54,800 Speaker 2: You when you're establishing your position and based on you 1735 01:23:54,840 --> 01:23:58,760 Speaker 2: know how we was. We were in Compton in La 1736 01:23:58,880 --> 01:24:02,200 Speaker 2: as far as the game were, it was only right. 1737 01:24:02,479 --> 01:24:06,639 Speaker 2: You get me them. Niggas is crips, we bloods, like the. 1738 01:24:06,600 --> 01:24:09,920 Speaker 1: First person to bring the aspect to it right. 1739 01:24:10,760 --> 01:24:14,840 Speaker 3: You know, to me, like rap, don't get a fucked up. 1740 01:24:14,920 --> 01:24:17,840 Speaker 3: Rap is a full contact sport. If there's a full 1741 01:24:17,880 --> 01:24:20,880 Speaker 3: contact sport, that's not for. It's not for you know, 1742 01:24:21,000 --> 01:24:24,640 Speaker 3: it's not marshmallow music. And people forgot that along the 1743 01:24:24,680 --> 01:24:27,000 Speaker 3: way kind of you know, like look, Daylight are not 1744 01:24:27,040 --> 01:24:29,920 Speaker 3: tough guys all that shit, you know whatever, But rap 1745 01:24:30,040 --> 01:24:32,719 Speaker 3: is like that the essence, the battle aspect of rat. 1746 01:24:33,120 --> 01:24:34,800 Speaker 3: That's like at the core of it. That's like the 1747 01:24:34,840 --> 01:24:37,720 Speaker 3: meat and potatoes. That's where it started. So you know, 1748 01:24:37,800 --> 01:24:41,080 Speaker 3: that's part of it. Like take a full circle. 1749 01:24:41,240 --> 01:24:44,200 Speaker 2: Touring with niggas. You don't give a fuck where they from. 1750 01:24:44,240 --> 01:24:49,400 Speaker 2: When y'all on tour funking with some niggas in another state, 1751 01:24:49,880 --> 01:24:53,720 Speaker 2: then this whole tour gonna start getting down. Primo used 1752 01:24:53,720 --> 01:24:56,639 Speaker 2: to tell me stories all the time, how nigga they 1753 01:24:56,760 --> 01:24:59,840 Speaker 2: wasn't no gang banging, but if so and so was 1754 01:25:00,040 --> 01:25:03,200 Speaker 2: on the tour and they was getting into it, niggas 1755 01:25:03,200 --> 01:25:05,960 Speaker 2: ship premont like nigga we rolling up the sleeves too. 1756 01:25:07,240 --> 01:25:09,160 Speaker 3: That's how it is, man. It's not a you know, 1757 01:25:09,320 --> 01:25:11,840 Speaker 3: it's like one for all. That's how it is. I mean, 1758 01:25:12,240 --> 01:25:15,639 Speaker 3: you know we're talking about like battle Rap go full 1759 01:25:15,720 --> 01:25:19,280 Speaker 3: circle Man, Drake and Kendrick. Man, that's just that same ship. 1760 01:25:19,920 --> 01:25:23,240 Speaker 3: You know. It's like that's to me, like, look, you 1761 01:25:23,280 --> 01:25:27,679 Speaker 3: hope it doesn't have repercussions, right, but that's like part 1762 01:25:27,720 --> 01:25:30,519 Speaker 3: of the beauty of this thing. Man, Like that's you know, 1763 01:25:30,600 --> 01:25:33,320 Speaker 3: hammer ticket shots at run DMC and then you know 1764 01:25:33,439 --> 01:25:35,080 Speaker 3: that shit is just part of it. It comes with 1765 01:25:35,120 --> 01:25:35,759 Speaker 3: the territory. 1766 01:25:36,720 --> 01:25:38,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, for real, man, you know what I heard Big 1767 01:25:38,760 --> 01:25:43,280 Speaker 1: day Came actually had hands man somebody else beat Slick 1768 01:25:43,360 --> 01:25:46,639 Speaker 1: Rick and rode out about you about the Big. 1769 01:25:47,680 --> 01:25:50,320 Speaker 3: Rick did that happens? Big Daddy Came was knowing to 1770 01:25:50,360 --> 01:25:52,439 Speaker 3: beat people up. He was like you know, he just 1771 01:25:52,880 --> 01:25:55,519 Speaker 3: was was hot tempered. He definitely was knowing to put 1772 01:25:55,520 --> 01:25:57,280 Speaker 3: his hands on people, you know. And then there was 1773 01:25:57,320 --> 01:26:01,800 Speaker 3: also it's also like it's very he was he beat 1774 01:26:01,880 --> 01:26:07,640 Speaker 3: up what he's from East New York exactly. That's a 1775 01:26:07,680 --> 01:26:10,400 Speaker 3: serious place that's in East New York. Back in the 1776 01:26:10,479 --> 01:26:13,960 Speaker 3: day was only Browns Bell was worse than all of Brooklyn. 1777 01:26:14,160 --> 01:26:15,960 Speaker 3: That's one of the roughest neighborhoods. 1778 01:26:16,240 --> 01:26:20,439 Speaker 2: What what what what beers mark He saying. My Nigga said, 1779 01:26:20,479 --> 01:26:22,519 Speaker 2: Big Daddy would grow up to be nothing but a 1780 01:26:22,640 --> 01:26:26,640 Speaker 2: hulum either in j J someone shooting. He was the 1781 01:26:26,760 --> 01:26:29,800 Speaker 2: hard nigga. Big would talk about hisself like that. He 1782 01:26:29,960 --> 01:26:32,639 Speaker 2: telling you, I had another brother that's calm and playing. 1783 01:26:32,960 --> 01:26:37,599 Speaker 2: He goes by the name of Fellow, that's laid back 1784 01:26:38,000 --> 01:26:41,040 Speaker 2: back in the days, he was nothing like that. And 1785 01:26:41,120 --> 01:26:43,559 Speaker 2: Nigga said, I remember when he used to fight every day. 1786 01:26:45,320 --> 01:26:48,000 Speaker 3: He beat up, he beat up, He beat up Brother Marquise. 1787 01:26:48,920 --> 01:26:50,559 Speaker 1: He beat up Brother Marquise too. 1788 01:26:50,760 --> 01:26:53,559 Speaker 3: Brother Marquise said some ship to him, some some god 1789 01:26:53,640 --> 01:26:56,400 Speaker 3: body ship. He he didn't appreciate it. And he turned 1790 01:26:56,400 --> 01:26:58,760 Speaker 3: around and he had to do what he did at 1791 01:26:58,800 --> 01:27:01,760 Speaker 3: the New Music Seminar upstairs in the balcony, and King 1792 01:27:01,920 --> 01:27:02,800 Speaker 3: came on them. 1793 01:27:03,160 --> 01:27:05,080 Speaker 2: We're not what we used to get it in at 1794 01:27:05,120 --> 01:27:09,920 Speaker 2: the New Music seminars. Nigga, you have for the nigga 1795 01:27:10,000 --> 01:27:13,200 Speaker 2: you meeting them at the seminar. Nigga is going down. Nigga, 1796 01:27:13,200 --> 01:27:14,160 Speaker 2: I'm telling where. 1797 01:27:14,600 --> 01:27:19,920 Speaker 1: That's where lay on them, cut mob and above the law. 1798 01:27:20,320 --> 01:27:21,920 Speaker 3: Let me ask you so me. I want to ask 1799 01:27:21,960 --> 01:27:22,320 Speaker 3: both of you. 1800 01:27:23,000 --> 01:27:24,439 Speaker 2: At the New Music seminar. 1801 01:27:25,800 --> 01:27:27,519 Speaker 3: Let me let me ask you. I always hear about 1802 01:27:27,520 --> 01:27:31,320 Speaker 3: Above the Law start A G Funk. I never know 1803 01:27:31,680 --> 01:27:34,320 Speaker 3: what the truth is and all of that because I 1804 01:27:34,400 --> 01:27:37,599 Speaker 3: never liked their music after Dre and Them didn't. I 1805 01:27:37,600 --> 01:27:40,080 Speaker 3: didn't love it. I like some songs, I like Black Superman, 1806 01:27:40,320 --> 01:27:42,720 Speaker 3: there's some joints, but they wasn't rocking the way Dre 1807 01:27:43,000 --> 01:27:45,720 Speaker 3: was to me. So I always wanted to know was 1808 01:27:45,760 --> 01:27:49,959 Speaker 3: they really Were they really those dudes who invented that ship. 1809 01:27:53,920 --> 01:27:56,880 Speaker 2: Hutch goes back, you know hutch has you know it's 1810 01:27:57,120 --> 01:28:00,519 Speaker 2: the really Hutchinson and all that. So they had that 1811 01:28:00,600 --> 01:28:05,880 Speaker 2: Philadelphia sound. But then you know, you got my dude 1812 01:28:06,120 --> 01:28:11,360 Speaker 2: Warren g who you know with Snooping them whose claims 1813 01:28:13,080 --> 01:28:17,439 Speaker 2: their ship came out. You get me. Above the Law 1814 01:28:17,520 --> 01:28:18,920 Speaker 2: came out before all of them. 1815 01:28:19,560 --> 01:28:20,200 Speaker 3: Yep, they did. 1816 01:28:20,760 --> 01:28:23,599 Speaker 1: Man, You gotta remember A Warren and Snoop started off 1817 01:28:23,600 --> 01:28:25,800 Speaker 1: with Above the Law exactly. They all. 1818 01:28:27,520 --> 01:28:28,200 Speaker 3: I didn't know that. 1819 01:28:28,560 --> 01:28:33,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, they was all clicked together when Dre and Them formed. 1820 01:28:33,439 --> 01:28:37,840 Speaker 2: So because Above the Law had the first album Living like. 1821 01:28:37,840 --> 01:28:42,000 Speaker 3: Hustlers right well before then n. 1822 01:28:42,080 --> 01:28:45,200 Speaker 2: W a Is but not Snoop and G Funk and 1823 01:28:45,280 --> 01:28:50,200 Speaker 2: William G. It was n w A and then it 1824 01:28:50,320 --> 01:28:54,400 Speaker 2: was Above the Law. They were first after after Ease, 1825 01:28:54,560 --> 01:28:57,080 Speaker 2: after the Easy solo record and the n w A 1826 01:28:57,200 --> 01:29:03,800 Speaker 2: straight out of Compton. They came out on epic under Ruthless. Yeah, 1827 01:29:03,880 --> 01:29:06,679 Speaker 2: the first album was Living like Hustlers and. 1828 01:29:06,600 --> 01:29:09,840 Speaker 3: That album that almost popping that she was knocking an. 1829 01:29:09,760 --> 01:29:14,000 Speaker 2: Album was the Ship. They had flow on on that motherfucker. 1830 01:29:14,160 --> 01:29:18,120 Speaker 2: And now I got a murder rap, just another execution nigga. 1831 01:29:18,160 --> 01:29:20,599 Speaker 2: They had flow on, Nigga. They had songs on. 1832 01:29:20,640 --> 01:29:24,680 Speaker 3: It was hard. That shit was hard, that she was 1833 01:29:24,720 --> 01:29:27,200 Speaker 3: harder than anything else they ever did. But I just like, 1834 01:29:27,600 --> 01:29:30,120 Speaker 3: who invented what? Like I always wanted to know because 1835 01:29:30,240 --> 01:29:32,040 Speaker 3: I always read it and I'm was like, who really 1836 01:29:32,080 --> 01:29:33,599 Speaker 3: did what? I want to tell you. 1837 01:29:33,560 --> 01:29:37,479 Speaker 1: Like this, Dante Warren, She and Snoop were with them 1838 01:29:37,640 --> 01:29:41,679 Speaker 1: at the time, right, And I would have to say 1839 01:29:41,720 --> 01:29:45,639 Speaker 1: that they kind of did. And Warren is always kind 1840 01:29:45,640 --> 01:29:48,799 Speaker 1: of undervalue to me because his contribution to the chronic 1841 01:29:49,160 --> 01:29:51,120 Speaker 1: is never hardly talked about. He kind of put that 1842 01:29:51,160 --> 01:29:55,240 Speaker 1: stuff together. But Drey, you know, Dray got that here. 1843 01:29:55,320 --> 01:29:56,800 Speaker 1: You know, Dray hooked it up because a lot of 1844 01:29:56,800 --> 01:29:59,679 Speaker 1: those records was done already, a lot of those records 1845 01:29:59,720 --> 01:30:01,960 Speaker 1: like Little Ghetto Boy and all that stuff. Those records 1846 01:30:02,040 --> 01:30:03,840 Speaker 1: was done already, and you know, Trey kind of went 1847 01:30:03,920 --> 01:30:05,280 Speaker 1: in and put his touches on him and made a 1848 01:30:05,360 --> 01:30:07,760 Speaker 1: magic I'm not saying Trey won't do nothing, but Warren, 1849 01:30:07,840 --> 01:30:10,280 Speaker 1: she played a big part of that all so the 1850 01:30:10,439 --> 01:30:15,000 Speaker 1: dazz right, yeahs Dads and Warren. I would say Warren 1851 01:30:15,080 --> 01:30:17,479 Speaker 1: was probably a little further along than Dads at that time. 1852 01:30:17,920 --> 01:30:19,360 Speaker 3: Warren was always dope. 1853 01:30:19,120 --> 01:30:21,000 Speaker 1: Because he had kind of went through boot camp like 1854 01:30:21,160 --> 01:30:24,240 Speaker 1: Snoop and them could have came out with about the law. 1855 01:30:24,240 --> 01:30:26,200 Speaker 1: They kind of gave Trader blessing to go ahead and 1856 01:30:26,280 --> 01:30:27,800 Speaker 1: you know, handle it with Snoop. 1857 01:30:28,400 --> 01:30:31,400 Speaker 3: Interesting. I never knew. I never knew any of that, 1858 01:30:31,479 --> 01:30:34,639 Speaker 3: like I had. I never met above Block. I met 1859 01:30:35,120 --> 01:30:38,120 Speaker 3: Easy back in the day. I mean he was Easy 1860 01:30:38,200 --> 01:30:40,519 Speaker 3: was in New York. He like he didn't give a fuck, 1861 01:30:40,680 --> 01:30:42,400 Speaker 3: Like he was like I'm over here now, like fuck it. 1862 01:30:42,720 --> 01:30:46,600 Speaker 1: Iris like Easy had Easy had deals everywhere, didn't he? 1863 01:30:47,160 --> 01:30:48,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, Easy everywhere? 1864 01:30:48,880 --> 01:30:52,559 Speaker 3: I mean Easy Easy, This is so crazy Easy. Jerry Heller, 1865 01:30:53,200 --> 01:30:57,360 Speaker 3: Dre and michell La came to my office because I 1866 01:30:57,360 --> 01:30:59,519 Speaker 3: had one. I worked at Tommy Boy. I want a son. 1867 01:30:59,560 --> 01:31:02,639 Speaker 3: Two groups. I didn't get either of them, Trive Request 1868 01:31:03,280 --> 01:31:07,320 Speaker 3: because they got way more money, and DC, who we 1869 01:31:07,360 --> 01:31:09,240 Speaker 3: could have for one hundred and seventy five thousand dollars. 1870 01:31:09,280 --> 01:31:11,800 Speaker 3: Tom Silverman looked at Jerry Heller and said, no, but 1871 01:31:11,840 --> 01:31:15,080 Speaker 3: I want to work at a lecture. Jerry Heller called 1872 01:31:15,080 --> 01:31:17,200 Speaker 3: me up and he said, I'm going to get out 1873 01:31:17,240 --> 01:31:20,400 Speaker 3: of my deal with Atlantic for Ruthless. Do you want 1874 01:31:20,400 --> 01:31:23,320 Speaker 3: to sign DC? And I said, how's that working? He said, 1875 01:31:23,360 --> 01:31:24,920 Speaker 3: we have a song that they won't put on an 1876 01:31:24,920 --> 01:31:28,640 Speaker 3: album called Bridget. You guys probably know that song. It's 1877 01:31:28,680 --> 01:31:30,680 Speaker 3: a song with all It's the one they run the 1878 01:31:30,720 --> 01:31:32,760 Speaker 3: train on the Girl. So they were like, they won't 1879 01:31:32,800 --> 01:31:34,680 Speaker 3: let us put the record on. We're gonna get out 1880 01:31:34,680 --> 01:31:37,519 Speaker 3: the deal. So he came to see me and they 1881 01:31:37,560 --> 01:31:40,400 Speaker 3: came to my office and DC wasn't there. I had 1882 01:31:40,439 --> 01:31:44,160 Speaker 3: never met Doc and they I was like, they were like, 1883 01:31:44,200 --> 01:31:45,759 Speaker 3: they won't let us put the song on the album. 1884 01:31:45,840 --> 01:31:48,280 Speaker 3: I was like, yo, we'll do the deal. So then 1885 01:31:48,360 --> 01:31:50,559 Speaker 3: me and Jerry the next day met with my boss 1886 01:31:50,760 --> 01:31:53,160 Speaker 3: and my boss told me my boss is says og Is. 1887 01:31:53,200 --> 01:31:55,320 Speaker 3: There was Bob Kraus and he said that Jerry Heller 1888 01:31:55,360 --> 01:31:57,479 Speaker 3: got don't trust him. I don't know how he knew. 1889 01:31:57,680 --> 01:31:59,559 Speaker 3: He said, don't trust that guy. And it turned out 1890 01:31:59,560 --> 01:32:01,720 Speaker 3: they couldn't get out of their deal. But they were 1891 01:32:01,760 --> 01:32:03,760 Speaker 3: all in my office and I remember I played one 1892 01:32:03,800 --> 01:32:06,000 Speaker 3: song by grand Football for them and Dre was like, 1893 01:32:06,600 --> 01:32:08,120 Speaker 3: he you know, he's like grand Pool boy, He's a 1894 01:32:08,120 --> 01:32:11,200 Speaker 3: bad motherfucker. But Easy was just like clowning. He was 1895 01:32:11,240 --> 01:32:14,280 Speaker 3: just fucking around, like walking around, just fucking around in 1896 01:32:14,280 --> 01:32:16,280 Speaker 3: the office. I was like, he was bugged out, but 1897 01:32:16,320 --> 01:32:19,400 Speaker 3: he really was in New York like just like he 1898 01:32:19,880 --> 01:32:22,160 Speaker 3: was like, I can't explain it. He had an aura. 1899 01:32:22,479 --> 01:32:24,160 Speaker 3: He had an aura like I was like, this guy's 1900 01:32:24,240 --> 01:32:26,599 Speaker 3: bit larger than life, mad small. So the only time 1901 01:32:26,600 --> 01:32:28,559 Speaker 3: I ever met him, he bugged me out though, and 1902 01:32:28,600 --> 01:32:30,680 Speaker 3: then of course it all became what it was and 1903 01:32:30,800 --> 01:32:34,920 Speaker 3: Doc to me, he was a bad Motherfuckerdoc. 1904 01:32:35,680 --> 01:32:40,200 Speaker 1: Doc was the ship I think gotten an accident. 1905 01:32:40,280 --> 01:32:40,840 Speaker 2: Man, it. 1906 01:32:42,439 --> 01:32:44,240 Speaker 1: Really fucked a lot of stuff up for him out. 1907 01:32:44,960 --> 01:32:48,200 Speaker 1: I'm always curious to see what his career would have been. 1908 01:32:48,240 --> 01:32:50,840 Speaker 1: Eight and he's been able to put three or four 1909 01:32:50,880 --> 01:32:52,040 Speaker 1: more albums out. 1910 01:32:52,520 --> 01:32:54,880 Speaker 2: Ship Star, Yeah, he'd have been he would have been 1911 01:32:54,880 --> 01:32:57,559 Speaker 2: in that Kendrick era. He would have been. In that 1912 01:32:57,840 --> 01:32:59,040 Speaker 2: ice Cube era. 1913 01:32:59,479 --> 01:33:01,160 Speaker 3: He would have been him and ice Cube would have 1914 01:33:01,200 --> 01:33:02,360 Speaker 3: been like the top in. 1915 01:33:02,320 --> 01:33:06,519 Speaker 2: That ice Cube era, that Scarface era that you know 1916 01:33:06,920 --> 01:33:10,280 Speaker 2: he he was. He was, like you said, he was 1917 01:33:10,280 --> 01:33:13,360 Speaker 2: a bad motherfucker when he came to that pin. He was. 1918 01:33:13,479 --> 01:33:18,680 Speaker 3: He raped. He rat better than Ice cbe back then. 1919 01:33:19,360 --> 01:33:23,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, he he knew how to because like another thing, 1920 01:33:23,520 --> 01:33:26,760 Speaker 2: he wasn't an l A nigga, you get me, So 1921 01:33:26,880 --> 01:33:29,439 Speaker 2: he was able to pin a lot of ship that 1922 01:33:29,520 --> 01:33:33,200 Speaker 2: didn't have the cultural aspects of game bang and ship. 1923 01:33:33,720 --> 01:33:35,800 Speaker 2: You just looked at yo see and thought he was 1924 01:33:35,800 --> 01:33:38,160 Speaker 2: an l A nigga, But he was from Dallas, Texas 1925 01:33:39,960 --> 01:33:42,639 Speaker 2: crew you look fresh crew. That's where I first heard of. 1926 01:33:42,640 --> 01:33:44,240 Speaker 3: Him, to crew. 1927 01:33:45,000 --> 01:33:48,599 Speaker 2: And he was one of those motherfuckers that when you heard, 1928 01:33:48,960 --> 01:33:52,960 Speaker 2: you was like, god damn, this mother talented when it 1929 01:33:53,080 --> 01:33:57,960 Speaker 2: came to that pin. So, you know, I doubt I 1930 01:33:58,000 --> 01:34:00,080 Speaker 2: wouldn't doubt that he would be up there on on 1931 01:34:00,160 --> 01:34:05,439 Speaker 2: that upper echelon, you know, his Cube status, you know, 1932 01:34:05,520 --> 01:34:09,479 Speaker 2: or any nigga who was popular from the West coast. 1933 01:34:10,800 --> 01:34:13,400 Speaker 1: And if you ask him, I talked to d C 1934 01:34:13,720 --> 01:34:17,479 Speaker 1: and I talked to Scarface, right, I told d C 1935 01:34:17,760 --> 01:34:20,559 Speaker 1: Man that I thought his verse on the on the 1936 01:34:20,600 --> 01:34:24,040 Speaker 1: Grand Finale was I thought he got you know. He 1937 01:34:24,240 --> 01:34:27,120 Speaker 1: told me, he said, man, I wasn't better than Cube. 1938 01:34:27,680 --> 01:34:30,639 Speaker 1: Scarface told me he wasn't better than Q. I think 1939 01:34:30,760 --> 01:34:31,880 Speaker 1: prime ice Cube. 1940 01:34:31,920 --> 01:34:36,720 Speaker 3: Man, he was some ice cubes on those guys. For 1941 01:34:36,880 --> 01:34:39,840 Speaker 3: one year, maybe two, he was top dog. He was 1942 01:34:39,880 --> 01:34:42,679 Speaker 3: the badest motherfucker in the world. When America's Most Wanted 1943 01:34:42,720 --> 01:34:45,479 Speaker 3: came out, No, he know what was fucking Cube that year? 1944 01:34:45,600 --> 01:34:47,160 Speaker 3: I was like he was top dog. 1945 01:34:47,760 --> 01:34:50,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, in my opinion. Yeah, the America's. 1946 01:34:50,160 --> 01:34:51,720 Speaker 3: Second album too, he. 1947 01:34:52,000 --> 01:34:56,800 Speaker 2: Uh the death certificate. He it was, I I don't 1948 01:34:56,920 --> 01:35:00,400 Speaker 2: you know, I say, by a round. Then Cubes started, 1949 01:35:00,479 --> 01:35:03,719 Speaker 2: you know, venturing off into a lot of shit. After 1950 01:35:04,520 --> 01:35:08,560 Speaker 2: that second record. He started to the Predator. It's you 1951 01:35:08,720 --> 01:35:12,599 Speaker 2: feel it starts declining. And like I said, not because 1952 01:35:12,640 --> 01:35:16,679 Speaker 2: of you know, his ability, but just because of the interest. 1953 01:35:16,800 --> 01:35:19,960 Speaker 3: Probably he's doing movies and this, that and the other. 1954 01:35:19,920 --> 01:35:24,439 Speaker 2: Like Fridays, I'm doing this, I'm doing are we there yet? 1955 01:35:24,560 --> 01:35:27,639 Speaker 2: I'm doing this, I'm doing this movie. I got another 1956 01:35:27,760 --> 01:35:32,040 Speaker 2: Friday movie. I'm doing this. And Q turned into you know, 1957 01:35:32,160 --> 01:35:34,000 Speaker 2: the hip hop Demzel Washington. 1958 01:35:34,040 --> 01:35:35,280 Speaker 3: As far as the first. 1959 01:35:35,040 --> 01:35:38,720 Speaker 1: Thing about the economics though, eight especially back then making records. 1960 01:35:38,960 --> 01:35:41,320 Speaker 1: You figure he got that movie money man, he looking 1961 01:35:41,320 --> 01:35:41,720 Speaker 1: at what. 1962 01:35:43,439 --> 01:35:44,559 Speaker 3: I go to a movie, this. 1963 01:35:44,600 --> 01:35:48,040 Speaker 2: Record and maybe make a half a million maybe, but 1964 01:35:48,120 --> 01:35:50,479 Speaker 2: I can put out this movie and make forty fifty. 1965 01:35:50,840 --> 01:35:55,639 Speaker 2: You get me like demographics. So now my more thoughts 1966 01:35:55,720 --> 01:35:59,120 Speaker 2: and process is the finishing up these movie scripts than 1967 01:35:59,200 --> 01:36:04,760 Speaker 2: the trying to pin another steady mob. And I was, well, 1968 01:36:04,880 --> 01:36:08,400 Speaker 2: I wasn't a movie dude. I didn't consider myself No. 1969 01:36:08,400 --> 01:36:11,479 Speaker 3: Man, you incredible and menace. Man, you were fucking great. 1970 01:36:11,840 --> 01:36:14,679 Speaker 2: Oh that's why it was vice versa. It was different 1971 01:36:14,720 --> 01:36:20,320 Speaker 2: for me. I relied more on pinning wraps. Then let 1972 01:36:20,400 --> 01:36:22,120 Speaker 2: me go sit up and try to write a script 1973 01:36:22,120 --> 01:36:24,599 Speaker 2: with a nigga or do this or do that, because 1974 01:36:24,640 --> 01:36:27,719 Speaker 2: my sole interest was records was hip hop. 1975 01:36:28,360 --> 01:36:29,960 Speaker 3: I mean, let me tell you someonehen you're in the 1976 01:36:29,960 --> 01:36:32,320 Speaker 3: car and you told them to stop acting like bitches. 1977 01:36:33,200 --> 01:36:35,479 Speaker 3: That ship was classic when you was like you said 1978 01:36:37,640 --> 01:36:41,280 Speaker 3: that shit was incredible. Man, you were so authentic, Like 1979 01:36:41,320 --> 01:36:43,920 Speaker 3: it was so because you are authentic, but. 1980 01:36:43,840 --> 01:36:47,040 Speaker 2: It was that was and they and people ask and 1981 01:36:47,080 --> 01:36:48,920 Speaker 2: I'll be like, man, that shit we did every day 1982 01:36:49,080 --> 01:36:51,439 Speaker 2: on the on the regular man. 1983 01:36:51,640 --> 01:36:52,800 Speaker 3: It didn't have to be great. 1984 01:36:52,840 --> 01:36:55,240 Speaker 2: It didn't have to be a camera on, It didn't 1985 01:36:55,280 --> 01:36:56,800 Speaker 2: have to be a microphone on. 1986 01:36:58,240 --> 01:37:00,040 Speaker 3: What you telling me? Say? They killed your. 1987 01:37:01,400 --> 01:37:03,960 Speaker 2: Nigga. Nigga and you riding around talking about who you 1988 01:37:04,000 --> 01:37:06,080 Speaker 2: don't want to shoot and who you don't want to kill, 1989 01:37:06,360 --> 01:37:09,320 Speaker 2: but your cousin laid up dead, nigga. Y'all got to 1990 01:37:09,400 --> 01:37:12,200 Speaker 2: be the most bitchiness niggas I've ever seen. 1991 01:37:12,080 --> 01:37:16,080 Speaker 3: Right now, But I was so classic going. 1992 01:37:15,920 --> 01:37:19,080 Speaker 2: To pill some niggas caps. We worried about who's standing 1993 01:37:19,120 --> 01:37:22,679 Speaker 2: around outside and I don't want to shoot no kids. 1994 01:37:22,760 --> 01:37:26,679 Speaker 2: And we didn't have that mentality that was real shit 1995 01:37:27,040 --> 01:37:30,920 Speaker 2: like we had a sense of of, well, we ain't 1996 01:37:31,000 --> 01:37:33,679 Speaker 2: just gonna start shooting if it's five and six kids 1997 01:37:33,760 --> 01:37:36,839 Speaker 2: running around on bicycles and ship. We had a difference 1998 01:37:36,880 --> 01:37:41,240 Speaker 2: of approach. But hell no, nigga, we in the car 1999 01:37:41,320 --> 01:37:43,400 Speaker 2: and it's time for dirt to be done. I don't 2000 01:37:43,400 --> 01:37:45,760 Speaker 2: want to hear no shit about well, I don't want 2001 01:37:45,760 --> 01:37:47,559 Speaker 2: to do this and I don't want to be nigga. 2002 01:37:47,560 --> 01:37:49,160 Speaker 2: Are you politicking right now? 2003 01:37:50,320 --> 01:37:52,920 Speaker 3: I mean to me, that's the that's the best. That's 2004 01:37:52,960 --> 01:37:54,679 Speaker 3: the best. Likely movie game. 2005 01:37:56,560 --> 01:37:59,360 Speaker 2: Movies your cousin laid up stiff as hell on the 2006 01:37:59,560 --> 01:38:01,280 Speaker 2: on the sleigh I have in the morgue, and you 2007 01:38:01,320 --> 01:38:03,920 Speaker 2: want to talk about what you don't want to do, nigga, 2008 01:38:03,880 --> 01:38:05,200 Speaker 2: if you don't get the fuck up out of my 2009 01:38:05,280 --> 01:38:06,080 Speaker 2: car right now. 2010 01:38:06,520 --> 01:38:08,479 Speaker 1: You turned down after that, though, didn't you ate? 2011 01:38:09,439 --> 01:38:13,040 Speaker 2: It was it was nothing as important as far as us, 2012 01:38:13,200 --> 01:38:18,599 Speaker 2: as far as that that scenario as that that that movie, 2013 01:38:19,360 --> 01:38:22,040 Speaker 2: everything else was like bullshit. So I didn't want to 2014 01:38:22,040 --> 01:38:22,240 Speaker 2: do No. 2015 01:38:22,520 --> 01:38:24,760 Speaker 3: That movie is a statement. Man. That's a great movie. 2016 01:38:24,840 --> 01:38:27,160 Speaker 3: It's just a good It's just a great movie, Chris, 2017 01:38:27,360 --> 01:38:29,640 Speaker 3: because it's also like real life, like the way I 2018 01:38:29,800 --> 01:38:30,120 Speaker 3: want to. 2019 01:38:32,439 --> 01:38:34,000 Speaker 1: I didn't want to be a Watch the Wire. 2020 01:38:34,080 --> 01:38:37,360 Speaker 3: It's like similar in a way because what it showed 2021 01:38:37,400 --> 01:38:40,120 Speaker 3: you in that movie is like there there is no 2022 01:38:40,200 --> 01:38:44,160 Speaker 3: real justice. The straight murderer o Dog gets away obody. 2023 01:38:44,200 --> 01:38:46,600 Speaker 3: He was trying to turn the turn the corner and 2024 01:38:46,640 --> 01:38:49,320 Speaker 3: do the right thing. He got smoke. And that's the 2025 01:38:49,320 --> 01:38:52,400 Speaker 3: way sh it is. There is no right or wrong. 2026 01:38:52,439 --> 01:38:54,679 Speaker 3: It ain't always gonna work the way it's supposed to work. 2027 01:38:54,720 --> 01:38:56,800 Speaker 3: And I thought that that was classical. Like in the Wire, 2028 01:38:57,120 --> 01:39:00,880 Speaker 3: when the little motherfucker killed Omar, right you never know, 2029 01:39:01,240 --> 01:39:03,599 Speaker 3: you know, there's no real rules and how it's gonna happen. 2030 01:39:03,640 --> 01:39:06,240 Speaker 3: That's what I thought was great about it because there 2031 01:39:06,280 --> 01:39:08,240 Speaker 3: was no moral to the movie. 2032 01:39:08,760 --> 01:39:09,840 Speaker 1: Right, I love it. 2033 01:39:09,880 --> 01:39:12,120 Speaker 3: I love about it. That was bug. 2034 01:39:12,720 --> 01:39:13,960 Speaker 1: Did you ever watch The Wire eight? 2035 01:39:15,040 --> 01:39:16,520 Speaker 2: I've seen it. 2036 01:39:16,600 --> 01:39:18,680 Speaker 1: The little bitty dude, the dude that was put me 2037 01:39:18,720 --> 01:39:21,439 Speaker 1: in all that work, man, a little bitty kid came 2038 01:39:21,439 --> 01:39:22,439 Speaker 1: and smoked him at the end. 2039 01:39:23,120 --> 01:39:26,519 Speaker 3: Yeah, little dude, a little like fourteen year old smoked him. 2040 01:39:26,800 --> 01:39:28,640 Speaker 3: Because it's like, you know, when it's your time, at 2041 01:39:28,640 --> 01:39:31,040 Speaker 3: your time, and it's not going to always work that way. 2042 01:39:31,320 --> 01:39:34,200 Speaker 2: And when somebody feel like I could step in them shoes, 2043 01:39:34,680 --> 01:39:35,360 Speaker 2: it's show time. 2044 01:39:36,160 --> 01:39:39,600 Speaker 3: It's I mean, look, man, I know you've been to 2045 01:39:39,680 --> 01:39:41,519 Speaker 3: a lot of crazy places, but I've been there when 2046 01:39:41,520 --> 01:39:43,880 Speaker 3: the when the bullets went by and they didn't hit me, 2047 01:39:43,920 --> 01:39:45,479 Speaker 3: and it was if it was my day, it was 2048 01:39:45,520 --> 01:39:48,559 Speaker 3: my day, it wasn't my dad. I'm fucking lucky, man. No, 2049 01:39:48,640 --> 01:39:50,120 Speaker 3: it's fucking life. 2050 01:39:50,880 --> 01:39:53,120 Speaker 2: You just take life for what it is, man, Try 2051 01:39:53,160 --> 01:39:56,719 Speaker 2: to walk in that, in that in that light to where, hey, 2052 01:39:57,320 --> 01:39:59,880 Speaker 2: I can't control what happened. You know what I'm saying? 2053 01:40:00,640 --> 01:40:02,000 Speaker 1: Are you for good now? 2054 01:40:02,800 --> 01:40:04,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, I live in l A. I've been here for 2055 01:40:04,280 --> 01:40:07,000 Speaker 3: for six years. In February, I still have a place 2056 01:40:07,040 --> 01:40:08,360 Speaker 3: in New York, but I stay in l A. I 2057 01:40:08,439 --> 01:40:11,439 Speaker 3: like l A. L A Is. I hate Winter Bro, 2058 01:40:11,680 --> 01:40:14,400 Speaker 3: I hate Winter. I don't like that ship. And one 2059 01:40:14,439 --> 01:40:16,120 Speaker 3: day I was like, you know what, I don't got 2060 01:40:16,120 --> 01:40:18,040 Speaker 3: to live in New York and be dealing with winter 2061 01:40:18,080 --> 01:40:19,040 Speaker 3: no more. So I moved to l A. 2062 01:40:19,880 --> 01:40:21,400 Speaker 1: Like, you got a lot of dope. You got a 2063 01:40:21,400 --> 01:40:23,559 Speaker 1: lot of dope, fast stuff going on, man, And I'm 2064 01:40:24,400 --> 01:40:26,559 Speaker 1: no eight Field the same. You got a home here, man, 2065 01:40:26,600 --> 01:40:27,200 Speaker 1: You work from here? 2066 01:40:30,720 --> 01:40:34,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I'm out here, man, I live out here, 2067 01:40:35,080 --> 01:40:37,040 Speaker 3: you know, working in a lot of film and TV. 2068 01:40:37,160 --> 01:40:40,960 Speaker 3: Ship right now. I sold the screenplay the lions Gate. 2069 01:40:42,040 --> 01:40:44,479 Speaker 3: I'm doing it. I'm working on a project with Ice 2070 01:40:45,760 --> 01:40:47,760 Speaker 3: that I will talk to you guys about in a 2071 01:40:47,800 --> 01:40:50,680 Speaker 3: minute because I need to get eight on camera in it. 2072 01:40:50,680 --> 01:40:55,479 Speaker 3: It's it's basically everything before n w A. So it's 2073 01:40:55,560 --> 01:40:58,200 Speaker 3: the story of how it got to that. So from 2074 01:40:58,439 --> 01:41:02,800 Speaker 3: Uncle Jam's Army to my cola and swap me the 2075 01:41:02,880 --> 01:41:06,840 Speaker 3: torrents and the whole shit. So you know, we got 2076 01:41:06,880 --> 01:41:08,720 Speaker 3: we finally got the funding for it. So as I 2077 01:41:08,760 --> 01:41:11,160 Speaker 3: get into shooting it next year, I'm gonna want to 2078 01:41:11,200 --> 01:41:14,800 Speaker 3: sit you guys down and and talk about because to me, like, 2079 01:41:14,960 --> 01:41:20,080 Speaker 3: and this is just my favorite rappers from LA, Like 2080 01:41:20,160 --> 01:41:22,800 Speaker 3: we're always like you know, obviously there's Cube and everyone, 2081 01:41:22,800 --> 01:41:25,880 Speaker 3: but there's always you and King T were like the motherfuckers. 2082 01:41:25,920 --> 01:41:28,679 Speaker 3: I was like, and and you guys got your records 2083 01:41:28,680 --> 01:41:31,920 Speaker 3: played in New York. It was like uncanny. We was bumping. 2084 01:41:32,200 --> 01:41:34,040 Speaker 3: Doc got a ship bump in New York too, But 2085 01:41:34,200 --> 01:41:37,840 Speaker 3: they played your guys records like side by side with 2086 01:41:37,880 --> 01:41:39,960 Speaker 3: all our records, and that ship, to me is so cool. 2087 01:41:40,360 --> 01:41:42,400 Speaker 3: You know, we listen to your music, man, We've been 2088 01:41:42,439 --> 01:41:44,360 Speaker 3: listening to it from when it came out. So I 2089 01:41:44,400 --> 01:41:46,679 Speaker 3: want to at some point see you down when we're shooting, 2090 01:41:47,040 --> 01:41:48,960 Speaker 3: and I want to interview because I want to get 2091 01:41:49,000 --> 01:41:52,479 Speaker 3: your perspective on how it all got to where it 2092 01:41:52,520 --> 01:41:55,160 Speaker 3: came from, you know, from from because you know what 2093 01:41:55,360 --> 01:41:59,720 Speaker 3: Uncle Jam's army was going, and Mycola records just pop in. 2094 01:42:00,360 --> 01:42:03,479 Speaker 3: Corny ass King Keith, I mean corny ass Young MC 2095 01:42:03,640 --> 01:42:06,960 Speaker 3: and Tone locas out there. They were making hit records. 2096 01:42:07,240 --> 01:42:09,800 Speaker 3: And Ton Locu is a real one. He's not a sucker. 2097 01:42:10,000 --> 01:42:12,040 Speaker 3: So I just think the whole ship is kind of interesting. 2098 01:42:12,120 --> 01:42:12,280 Speaker 3: You know. 2099 01:42:12,439 --> 01:42:20,479 Speaker 2: So that's that's a crypt exactly for sure. That's all good. 2100 01:42:20,520 --> 01:42:22,599 Speaker 2: Let's make it happen. That's doing. 2101 01:42:22,680 --> 01:42:25,720 Speaker 3: Man. Look, you guys got my math. Anytime you want 2102 01:42:25,720 --> 01:42:29,000 Speaker 3: to holler, I'm here whatever you guys need, Man, I'm 2103 01:42:29,240 --> 01:42:30,800 Speaker 3: I'm always here. So let me know. 2104 01:42:33,720 --> 01:42:36,800 Speaker 1: We appreciate you coming through, Bron. 2105 01:42:37,160 --> 01:42:40,120 Speaker 3: You're on Twitter a lot, right I'm on Twitter, Instagram. 2106 01:42:40,200 --> 01:42:42,640 Speaker 3: I'll be talking about fuck trump Ship. I'm on my 2107 01:42:42,640 --> 01:42:45,439 Speaker 3: my fucking Nipsey Hustle fuck trump Ship right now, you know. 2108 01:42:45,640 --> 01:42:48,160 Speaker 3: But you know so, so if that drives you crazy, 2109 01:42:48,160 --> 01:42:49,680 Speaker 3: you don't look at my Instagram right now you be 2110 01:42:49,720 --> 01:42:50,400 Speaker 3: mad because I'm. 2111 01:42:50,600 --> 01:42:52,760 Speaker 1: Y'all make sure man, y'all hit my man up. Man, 2112 01:42:52,800 --> 01:42:54,719 Speaker 1: this is history record wister Instagram. 2113 01:42:54,720 --> 01:42:57,919 Speaker 3: Bro Aunty Ross at at Instagram. 2114 01:42:58,040 --> 01:43:01,840 Speaker 1: It's my name Ross Instagram. Man, that's another against the chronicles. Man, 2115 01:43:02,000 --> 01:43:07,559 Speaker 1: We're gonna hoigher at your cats next week. M hm