WEBVTT - Pats from the Past: Episode 24, Deion Branch 0:00:02.360 --> 0:00:05.359 It's time for another episode of Pats from the Past podcast. 0:00:05.400 --> 0:00:09.080 Matt Smith, alongside Brian Wore please to be joined today 0:00:09.680 --> 0:00:14.720 by Foreign Patriot wide receiver Super Bowl MVP Dion Brinch deon. 0:00:14.760 --> 0:00:16.960 How you doing doing pretty good? Man? 0:00:17.000 --> 0:00:17.840 Thank you all for having me. 0:00:17.920 --> 0:00:21.400 Yeah, thanks for joining us. Well, let's before we get 0:00:21.400 --> 0:00:24.680 into a lot of in and out football stuff, let's 0:00:24.680 --> 0:00:26.840 try to I think the Fians would want to know, 0:00:26.880 --> 0:00:28.080 what are you up to these days? 0:00:28.440 --> 0:00:28.600 Oh? 0:00:28.680 --> 0:00:31.560 Man, just daddy daycare, you know, just taking care of 0:00:31.600 --> 0:00:33.839 the house, you know, assuming all the duties that my 0:00:33.960 --> 0:00:37.120 wife were taking care of while I was playing ball, 0:00:37.240 --> 0:00:39.840 you know, spending my time running around having fun. 0:00:39.920 --> 0:00:41.800 Basically, that's what they think it is. We're just having 0:00:41.840 --> 0:00:44.280 a lot of fun and it's not work. 0:00:44.840 --> 0:00:48.240 But mainly that's it, man, daddy dad care here and there, 0:00:49.040 --> 0:00:51.760 helping out on the high school football team. You know, 0:00:51.800 --> 0:00:54.560 I'm just not getting myself involved with that. But early 0:00:54.640 --> 0:00:56.680 on was in I'm heavily involved in a lot of 0:00:56.680 --> 0:00:57.240 real estate. 0:00:58.240 --> 0:00:59.080 So that's mainly. 0:00:59.240 --> 0:01:03.440 That's basically, you know, you know, life. Oh, I'm loving life. 0:01:03.640 --> 0:01:06.800 I'm loving life. My family's amazing, everybody's healthy. My mom 0:01:06.800 --> 0:01:10.200 and dad's sisters my wife, my kids. That's the most 0:01:10.200 --> 0:01:13.600 important thing in my life. You know, they're healthy, so 0:01:13.680 --> 0:01:14.200 I'm happy. 0:01:14.800 --> 0:01:18.280 Is real estate blowing up out in the Midwest the 0:01:18.319 --> 0:01:19.680 way it is here in New England. 0:01:20.240 --> 0:01:23.120 It's blowing up everywhere, and you know right now it 0:01:23.160 --> 0:01:25.319 is either you one of the ones who are selling 0:01:25.680 --> 0:01:29.160 and you're extra happy and sort of piss if you're 0:01:29.160 --> 0:01:32.240 a buyer because you're going to overspend for the property, 0:01:32.319 --> 0:01:36.000 so you know, and if you're an investor like myself, 0:01:36.680 --> 0:01:39.560 it's more of a I'm a little pissed now because 0:01:40.240 --> 0:01:43.200 cribs that we were buying for eighty ninety thousand and 0:01:43.240 --> 0:01:45.880 put like fifty sixty in it, we got to spend 0:01:45.920 --> 0:01:48.720 now one hundred and fifty for the home. It's almost double, 0:01:49.080 --> 0:01:53.160 which is the craziest thing ever. But on the resale side, 0:01:53.320 --> 0:01:55.400 sometimes you may get it back. A lot of times 0:01:55.440 --> 0:01:57.920 you may just make about twenty thirty thousand, you know, 0:01:57.960 --> 0:02:00.280 which is good money. I'm not saying this bad money. 0:02:01.960 --> 0:02:03.680 You look at some of the flips that we've done 0:02:03.800 --> 0:02:08.359 the last within the last six months, you know, our 0:02:08.400 --> 0:02:10.280 profit margin is a little bit smaller than what it 0:02:10.360 --> 0:02:13.720 usually is, and that's the crazy part. So now we're 0:02:13.720 --> 0:02:15.840 trying to be a little bit more trying to get 0:02:15.840 --> 0:02:17.919 ahead of the curve, try to figure out ways to 0:02:18.000 --> 0:02:21.080 go around this and defeat this, uh, this inflation that 0:02:21.080 --> 0:02:22.520 we're having in the real estate market. 0:02:22.919 --> 0:02:26.840 So should we be reintroducing you as Dion Branch real 0:02:27.000 --> 0:02:27.639 estate mogul. 0:02:29.040 --> 0:02:31.840 Wait, do you want any crypto currency? 0:02:31.919 --> 0:02:32.079 Yeah? 0:02:32.120 --> 0:02:33.079 I do crypt. 0:02:34.480 --> 0:02:37.280 Yes, I'm investing. I'm heavily in that as well, you 0:02:37.320 --> 0:02:39.520 know myself. And like, I just got a phone call 0:02:39.560 --> 0:02:42.080 with one of my business partners. Uh, here's one of 0:02:42.080 --> 0:02:44.760 my partners. So I like to bring in all my friends, 0:02:44.800 --> 0:02:46.680 all my childhood friends. I try to put a group 0:02:46.720 --> 0:02:49.520 together and all just put like, hey, let's bring. 0:02:49.320 --> 0:02:52.760 Five hundred to the table. That I it's ten guys 0:02:52.760 --> 0:02:53.280 in the group. 0:02:53.600 --> 0:02:56.360 So that's a great investment to start off at, to 0:02:56.400 --> 0:02:58.440 start off with it, and we just continue to invest in it. 0:02:58.840 --> 0:03:01.240 So as a now that dojie thing is looking real 0:03:01.320 --> 0:03:04.640 good for us. And I didn't get involved with the bigcoin, 0:03:04.720 --> 0:03:05.560 did you guys make it? 0:03:06.520 --> 0:03:06.800 I have. 0:03:07.040 --> 0:03:09.840 I have a very small amount in bitcoin, so I'm 0:03:09.919 --> 0:03:11.000 up about a thousand bice. 0:03:11.880 --> 0:03:13.519 Okay, all right, you're good. 0:03:13.400 --> 0:03:15.520 That's all good. I didn't I didn't do with a 0:03:15.560 --> 0:03:16.120 dog coin? 0:03:17.080 --> 0:03:18.400 When did you invest in it? Though? 0:03:19.040 --> 0:03:23.200 Well around So I had light coin initially a couple 0:03:23.280 --> 0:03:26.600 of those, and I transferred that into bitcoin probably when 0:03:26.600 --> 0:03:29.680 it was about twelve thousand wow, and then I bought 0:03:29.720 --> 0:03:32.200 again at like twenty and again at forty, but like 0:03:32.240 --> 0:03:34.880 one hundred dollars at a time, like okay, So I'm 0:03:34.880 --> 0:03:36.560 not like, you know, I don't have the kind of 0:03:36.560 --> 0:03:39.200 dough that if I had that amount of dough, I 0:03:39.240 --> 0:03:41.240 would have bought it a lot a long time ago. 0:03:41.720 --> 0:03:42.160 Exactly. 0:03:42.160 --> 0:03:44.600 Well, you know, doge coin's up like twelve thousand percent. 0:03:44.600 --> 0:03:45.560 I don't have any of that. 0:03:46.440 --> 0:03:47.200 Oh you don't. 0:03:47.240 --> 0:03:49.200 I mean it's still good right now, it's under dollars, 0:03:49.240 --> 0:03:51.000 so it's still probably good to jump in. 0:03:51.320 --> 0:03:53.320 Yeah, I gotta I gotta do some more hotwork on that, 0:03:53.520 --> 0:03:54.840 right right. 0:03:54.800 --> 0:03:55.640 Just do it, trust me. 0:03:55.720 --> 0:03:57.480 I mean, I think it's the same thing advice what 0:03:57.600 --> 0:04:01.120 people were saying about bitcoin. Everybody's like nah, you know, 0:04:01.200 --> 0:04:04.400 and clearly I'm gonna be honest. I don't know why 0:04:04.440 --> 0:04:08.160 my investor never wants CPA. Your financial advisors, they just 0:04:08.200 --> 0:04:09.480 don't advise these things. 0:04:09.880 --> 0:04:13.040 I'll hit a miss my body, my buddy, who I 0:04:13.080 --> 0:04:16.560 do not have money invested without I should say he's 0:04:16.600 --> 0:04:18.720 he's all into bitcoin. He says, when it gets to 0:04:18.720 --> 0:04:20.040 one hundred thousand, I'm retiring. 0:04:20.720 --> 0:04:21.120 He's done. 0:04:21.200 --> 0:04:23.479 Huh, And he's got he puts his clients in it, 0:04:23.640 --> 0:04:27.039 like not not heavily. That's part of that portfolio. 0:04:27.200 --> 0:04:28.200 Interesting exactly. 0:04:28.600 --> 0:04:30.839 Yeah, I don't know, man, I'm you know, me and 0:04:30.880 --> 0:04:32.320 the guys, we're gonna go pretty heavy. 0:04:32.360 --> 0:04:36.000 We're just gonna continue going into this dogie thing pretty deep. Uh. 0:04:36.560 --> 0:04:38.400 You know you're talking about your guys talking about one 0:04:38.440 --> 0:04:40.520 hundred thousand. We just wanted to get up to ten 0:04:40.560 --> 0:04:44.800 thousand and then we'll be yeah, yes, we bought in ad. 0:04:46.040 --> 0:04:47.159 What four cents three? 0:04:47.640 --> 0:04:48.719 You've already made a body. 0:04:49.640 --> 0:04:52.120 You get what I'm saying. So it's pretty good. It's okay, 0:04:52.320 --> 0:04:54.120 good for you, Good for you. 0:04:54.240 --> 0:04:57.200 Yes, So let's turn our attention out back to football 0:04:57.240 --> 0:05:01.120 here a little bit, and Benet, you know, pro style offense. 0:05:01.320 --> 0:05:03.800 When you got to Louisville after the two years of JC, 0:05:04.839 --> 0:05:07.880 when did you think the NFL was a realistic option 0:05:08.000 --> 0:05:08.200 for you? 0:05:11.720 --> 0:05:14.640 You know, real talk. I wasn't thinking. I wasn't saying like, yeah, 0:05:14.720 --> 0:05:16.480 I'm going to make it. I mean, we all have 0:05:16.600 --> 0:05:19.560 the same dreams every kid that's playing high school ball, 0:05:19.600 --> 0:05:20.920 and you got to go to college. 0:05:21.160 --> 0:05:23.839 So when I got to junior college, it was more starting. 0:05:24.080 --> 0:05:27.400 I was starting to really truly believe and start training myself, 0:05:27.440 --> 0:05:30.440 preparing myself for that next level. 0:05:30.160 --> 0:05:32.000 Outside of just preparing myself for college. 0:05:32.320 --> 0:05:33.720 You know, when I got to u of L, that's 0:05:33.720 --> 0:05:36.239 when I actually saw the life when I was there, 0:05:37.080 --> 0:05:41.520 because I red shirt my first year there. When I 0:05:41.560 --> 0:05:43.400 noticed some of the players that were on the team 0:05:43.440 --> 0:05:45.840 that were getting drafted, that's when it done on me. 0:05:45.880 --> 0:05:47.920 I'm like, Okay, I'm not judging these guys, but I 0:05:47.960 --> 0:05:50.000 know the type of work that I put in and 0:05:50.040 --> 0:05:51.880 what they were putting in at that particular time, and 0:05:51.920 --> 0:05:52.480 they made it. 0:05:52.880 --> 0:05:53.080 You know. 0:05:53.279 --> 0:05:55.600 It's a lot of luck involved with it as well. 0:05:56.160 --> 0:06:00.560 So real talk, that red shirt year was probably my 0:06:01.400 --> 0:06:04.119 That's when the light bulb went off, you know, and 0:06:04.160 --> 0:06:07.280 I really just continually just honed in on everything as 0:06:07.279 --> 0:06:10.880 far as with my training, my thought process, and trying 0:06:10.920 --> 0:06:13.080 to start doing things though a correct way to kind 0:06:13.080 --> 0:06:16.120 of mold myself for the NFL draft. So I would 0:06:16.160 --> 0:06:23.320 say probably in nineteen ninety nine. Yeah, I know, that's crazy. 0:06:23.040 --> 0:06:24.480 Right, It's crazy. 0:06:24.480 --> 0:06:25.240 It's unbelievable. 0:06:25.760 --> 0:06:27.960 I'll say in ninety nine that's when it really sunk 0:06:28.000 --> 0:06:30.000 in and I was like, I really have a chance. 0:06:30.120 --> 0:06:31.160 I probably can do this. 0:06:31.440 --> 0:06:35.120 So that offense you played in though, was, as that mentioned, 0:06:35.160 --> 0:06:39.920 a pro style offense. You came into the league as 0:06:39.960 --> 0:06:43.680 short of a polished route runner. Did your time at 0:06:43.680 --> 0:06:47.520 Louisville do you think really help you prepare for quick 0:06:47.560 --> 0:06:48.640 success in the NFL. 0:06:49.440 --> 0:06:51.839 Yes, And I you know, give a lot of credit 0:06:51.880 --> 0:06:52.760 to you know, John L. 0:06:52.800 --> 0:06:57.280 Smith, my head coach, Scott Lenihan, who's a brilliant guy. 0:06:57.320 --> 0:06:58.599 I mean, which we already know. He was in the 0:06:58.680 --> 0:07:01.799 NFL for many years and I think he's still there. Uh. 0:07:01.920 --> 0:07:04.160 He was a guy that kind of helped mold myself 0:07:04.200 --> 0:07:06.479 and along with all the other receivers that were drafts 0:07:06.680 --> 0:07:09.200 that were drafted within that time frame. 0:07:09.680 --> 0:07:11.360 Uh, he did a real good job. The only thing 0:07:11.400 --> 0:07:13.720 that I would say that that was so crazy for me. 0:07:15.960 --> 0:07:19.120 Was to start picking up all the sight adjustments and 0:07:19.280 --> 0:07:21.960 the hots and all these things. In college, they already 0:07:22.000 --> 0:07:24.360 have these things built in, you know, and you don't 0:07:24.400 --> 0:07:27.600 have to worry about that, you know, in the NFL, 0:07:27.680 --> 0:07:31.600 especially in New England's offense, Uh, the quarterback and the 0:07:31.600 --> 0:07:33.920 receivers have to be on the same page, you know, 0:07:33.960 --> 0:07:36.600 and that's at all times built based on certain play 0:07:36.600 --> 0:07:40.640 calls and and if you're not. But so my first year, 0:07:40.760 --> 0:07:44.640 my rookie season, it couldn't have been the worst year. 0:07:44.920 --> 0:07:47.440 It may look real good to like to the fans like, 0:07:47.440 --> 0:07:49.800 oh this kid is this and that I had my 0:07:49.920 --> 0:07:54.680 fair share, and you know, I really really want to 0:07:54.680 --> 0:07:57.360 give Brian dave All a lot of credit because he 0:07:57.440 --> 0:08:00.960 was a very young receiver coach and I was like 0:08:01.040 --> 0:08:04.000 his first piece that he really get to work with. 0:08:04.440 --> 0:08:07.720 And this guy was on me day in day out. 0:08:08.080 --> 0:08:09.520 It got to the point where I was just so 0:08:10.000 --> 0:08:13.160 I wasn't frustrated, I understood, but I was I felt 0:08:13.160 --> 0:08:15.040 like he was just really just nagging him, like what 0:08:15.160 --> 0:08:18.800 is going on? This can't be like you know, this guy, 0:08:18.840 --> 0:08:20.240 wake up. He just want to talk to them, He 0:08:20.280 --> 0:08:22.560 want to talk football. Then what is this right here? 0:08:22.760 --> 0:08:25.520 I sent you this such and such on the on 0:08:25.560 --> 0:08:25.920 the drive? 0:08:26.040 --> 0:08:27.000 Did you see it? Yes, sir? 0:08:27.360 --> 0:08:29.400 What did you notice about all the defenders? It was 0:08:29.480 --> 0:08:31.680 like he was I was just understudy and he did 0:08:31.720 --> 0:08:33.840 a great job with me. I really give that guy 0:08:33.840 --> 0:08:37.679 a lot of credit my rookie season training camp. Training 0:08:37.679 --> 0:08:41.760 camp was the hardest two months for me. It was 0:08:41.840 --> 0:08:45.560 every day, all day preparing me for that Pittsburgh game 0:08:45.920 --> 0:08:48.440 and all these different things these guys are gonna do. 0:08:48.960 --> 0:08:52.360 And by the time we got to the game, everything 0:08:52.480 --> 0:08:55.040 was so easy for myself because of the things that 0:08:55.080 --> 0:08:58.160 Brian had taught me for those two months. I mean 0:08:58.160 --> 0:09:01.520 he literally gave it to me through and throughout the playbook, 0:09:02.000 --> 0:09:04.240 and but being a part of U of L and 0:09:04.280 --> 0:09:07.120 then leading and getting with Brian Dave all that really 0:09:07.120 --> 0:09:08.000 set everything apart. 0:09:08.600 --> 0:09:12.199 So when you say that in college that was built in, 0:09:13.080 --> 0:09:15.520 how is it built in when you get to the 0:09:15.600 --> 0:09:18.199 line of scrimmage and there's a blitz that's coming that 0:09:18.320 --> 0:09:20.640 maybe you guys didn't expect, how is it built into 0:09:20.679 --> 0:09:21.160 the offense? 0:09:22.000 --> 0:09:22.200 Right? 0:09:22.320 --> 0:09:26.280 So, and within that offense with coach Lennon had we'll 0:09:26.280 --> 0:09:29.240 have if we end up two y two said, you 0:09:29.400 --> 0:09:32.640 have maybe two deeps and you got one intermediate. 0:09:32.120 --> 0:09:34.520 Route and an actual a short route. 0:09:34.559 --> 0:09:36.920 That is the built in That is the hot If 0:09:37.040 --> 0:09:39.360 Dave or Chris Redman wants to throw that guy the ball, 0:09:39.600 --> 0:09:42.280 if he has a blitz coming, he automatically goes to 0:09:42.360 --> 0:09:43.760 that actual short route. 0:09:44.280 --> 0:09:45.000 You get what I'm saying. 0:09:45.080 --> 0:09:48.520 Yes, So on every pass play, we had that built in, 0:09:48.920 --> 0:09:51.440 built in the actual play, so we didn't have to 0:09:51.480 --> 0:09:53.560 worry about it. So that's what I'm saying. Like, we 0:09:53.640 --> 0:09:57.199 never did any side adjustments, any hot adjustments in college 0:09:57.280 --> 0:09:57.600 at all. 0:09:58.000 --> 0:09:58.880 It was already built in. 0:09:58.920 --> 0:10:03.600 We didn't have to hate Christy, I mean, Dave were gone, 0:10:03.640 --> 0:10:05.160 didn't have to come to the line of scream as 0:10:05.160 --> 0:10:08.160 you see Tom pulling out the mic, and then from 0:10:08.200 --> 0:10:11.000 there you start counting the guys, the defenders that you 0:10:11.040 --> 0:10:13.560 know you're hot off or you a jest off of. 0:10:13.880 --> 0:10:14.960 We didn't have to worry about that. 0:10:15.480 --> 0:10:17.839 You mentioned, Dion. You know, well, I think the fans 0:10:17.880 --> 0:10:19.720 might say it looked good in two thousand and two, 0:10:19.880 --> 0:10:23.280 but the year was and everything like that. I think 0:10:23.320 --> 0:10:25.559 one of the things that you know, you were laughing 0:10:25.600 --> 0:10:28.240 about nineteen ninety nine, Boy, is that crazy? So I 0:10:28.280 --> 0:10:30.240 bring up two thousand and two and isn't this crazy 0:10:30.720 --> 0:10:33.520 because it's so crazy. There hasn't been another Don Bridge 0:10:33.520 --> 0:10:35.760 since two thousand and two, Dion, And it's not your 0:10:35.840 --> 0:10:40.800 job to say why, but but they there doesn't seem 0:10:40.840 --> 0:10:44.360 to be in the organization. They've tried, They've taken swings, 0:10:44.920 --> 0:10:47.720 but they can't seem to draft a wide receiver that 0:10:47.760 --> 0:10:50.120 comes in and can be productive and learn like you 0:10:50.200 --> 0:10:53.719 did and can contribute like you did right out of 0:10:53.760 --> 0:10:56.960 the shoot. What does that mean, Dean? Does it mean 0:10:57.000 --> 0:11:01.040 that this offense is so difficult? Because as a fear 0:11:01.160 --> 0:11:02.800 you look around and you go wow, look at John 0:11:02.840 --> 0:11:06.160 Jefferson this year for Minnesota, or look at DK Metcalf 0:11:06.760 --> 0:11:08.640 and these guys being able to come in. What is 0:11:08.679 --> 0:11:11.640 it about New England's offense that makes it so challenging 0:11:12.400 --> 0:11:14.760 and to bring a guy in and develop them. 0:11:15.120 --> 0:11:17.840 It's sir, Well, I attribute to a lot of the stuff. 0:11:17.880 --> 0:11:20.160 Like I said to coach and Lindenhead, I'm gonna be 0:11:20.160 --> 0:11:22.120 honest with you. Nowadays, if you go to some of 0:11:22.160 --> 0:11:24.600 these colleges, you really get to see some of these 0:11:24.600 --> 0:11:27.880 guys and the way they're being coached now versus how 0:11:27.920 --> 0:11:29.559 we were coaching back in the days. 0:11:29.760 --> 0:11:32.800 It's totally different. You know. Like I said, I'm not 0:11:32.800 --> 0:11:33.920 talking about none of these kids. 0:11:33.920 --> 0:11:36.640 I'm not ragging on them, but they're just not being 0:11:36.720 --> 0:11:40.720 properly taught the right way. Whether they come in and 0:11:40.720 --> 0:11:43.360 everybody's a star. Now you get what I'm saying. So 0:11:43.400 --> 0:11:45.600 they feel like everything has to be done their way, 0:11:45.640 --> 0:11:48.000 and a lot of these programs are catering to these 0:11:48.080 --> 0:11:52.319 kids instead of actually teaching them. They're allowing these kids 0:11:52.360 --> 0:11:54.040 to run the programs. Now, you got kids that are 0:11:54.040 --> 0:11:57.000 trying to leave school after two three years. Like I mean, listen, 0:11:57.280 --> 0:12:01.160 you're not fully developed. You haven't been taught, to be honest, 0:12:01.320 --> 0:12:03.040 you really don't know how to play the game the 0:12:03.120 --> 0:12:03.560 right way. 0:12:04.559 --> 0:12:05.160 You follow me. 0:12:05.200 --> 0:12:07.160 So, and I'm not saying that to everybody, but you 0:12:07.880 --> 0:12:10.400 like you're saying, you point out the DK's and the Jeffersons, 0:12:10.679 --> 0:12:12.959 there's going to be a kid here is going to 0:12:13.000 --> 0:12:15.040 stick out, and he's going to stick out here. You know, 0:12:15.080 --> 0:12:17.840 you look at AJ Brown. These guys have been taught 0:12:17.880 --> 0:12:20.280 the right way at Ole Miss you know, DK and 0:12:20.320 --> 0:12:23.720 the guys at LSU. And then you look at it 0:12:23.760 --> 0:12:25.320 like some of the guys that come from at that 0:12:25.360 --> 0:12:26.160 particular time. 0:12:26.400 --> 0:12:29.920 Louisville was a conference to USA that was. 0:12:29.880 --> 0:12:33.280 Our you know, our conference, but we stood out within 0:12:33.360 --> 0:12:34.080 our conference. 0:12:34.679 --> 0:12:36.240 And that's all the credit goes. 0:12:36.080 --> 0:12:38.520 To the coaching and they actually instilled certain things and 0:12:38.600 --> 0:12:41.000 the players and they did a great job. 0:12:41.400 --> 0:12:42.480 So if you're asking me. 0:12:42.559 --> 0:12:45.920 Really, Troy and I talk about this all the time, like, 0:12:46.080 --> 0:12:48.280 how is it that these kids are at these so 0:12:48.360 --> 0:12:51.360 called big programs but they get to the NFL and 0:12:51.360 --> 0:12:54.800 they can't convert things. Well, that's because they are not 0:12:54.920 --> 0:12:57.240 being taught the right way. Still, you know, a lot 0:12:57.280 --> 0:12:59.400 of these programs are letting these kids just get away 0:12:59.400 --> 0:13:02.360 with anything, and it's setting them up for failure though, 0:13:02.760 --> 0:13:04.560 so it's truth, is setting them. 0:13:04.440 --> 0:13:09.640 Up so when they get here, the investment to try 0:13:09.679 --> 0:13:13.000 to get them up to speed is so hard to 0:13:13.080 --> 0:13:15.600 do that by the time a kid is a year 0:13:15.720 --> 0:13:19.040 two years in, he's still swimming to try to get 0:13:19.120 --> 0:13:21.520 uphill to try to catch up. And by that point 0:13:21.559 --> 0:13:24.319 in time, you know, let's let's take a flyer here 0:13:24.360 --> 0:13:26.080 and a veteran who's been in the league for three 0:13:26.160 --> 0:13:28.200 or four years, and this guy actually knows how to 0:13:28.200 --> 0:13:31.760 block downfield and knows root trees and everything like that. 0:13:32.200 --> 0:13:35.640 Is my word's not yours, But is that kind of 0:13:35.720 --> 0:13:38.480 what you're up against because they're so underdeveloped at a 0:13:38.480 --> 0:13:39.440 collegiate level. 0:13:39.360 --> 0:13:40.840 Right, And that's the problem. 0:13:40.920 --> 0:13:43.120 You know, So just even I can piggyback off that 0:13:43.160 --> 0:13:46.000 what you were just saying, by the time they get 0:13:46.040 --> 0:13:49.040 to the NFL. They are who they are. The player 0:13:49.160 --> 0:13:51.480 is who he is. That's just the bottom line. You 0:13:51.559 --> 0:13:54.600 can't really change somebody who's in their twenties. I'm gonna 0:13:54.640 --> 0:13:57.400 make this guy, I'm gonna take a slide guy and 0:13:57.400 --> 0:13:59.520 make him an outside receiver, not nowadays. 0:14:00.320 --> 0:14:02.160 You get what I'm saying. He is who he is. 0:14:02.679 --> 0:14:06.480 These are the attributes and this what he brings to 0:14:06.520 --> 0:14:08.880 the table. We can't add nothing else to it. I 0:14:08.880 --> 0:14:12.400 feel bad, I'm so sorry to say that, but that's 0:14:12.480 --> 0:14:16.120 just what it is. And it's unfortunate, you know, like 0:14:16.160 --> 0:14:20.080 you're saying, these program these organizations invests so much into 0:14:20.120 --> 0:14:23.160 these individuals, but they're not getting it back. They're not 0:14:23.200 --> 0:14:27.560 getting the return on it. And yeah, you know, if 0:14:27.600 --> 0:14:31.920 you got twenty five receivers getting selected and this year's draft, 0:14:32.800 --> 0:14:35.119 maybe four or five of these guys. 0:14:34.840 --> 0:14:37.440 May stick out. And it's sad, but that's just the 0:14:37.560 --> 0:14:38.080 nature of it. 0:14:38.360 --> 0:14:40.400 And I know it's more than twenty five guys that's 0:14:40.760 --> 0:14:43.640 getting drafted, but I'm just giving you that number. Even 0:14:43.640 --> 0:14:45.600 if it's sixty guys, it's probably still gonna be about 0:14:45.600 --> 0:14:47.360 four or five guys that's gonna stick out. 0:14:47.680 --> 0:14:48.960 And you can see. 0:14:49.000 --> 0:14:51.800 Okay, and I'm talking including first round picks now as well, 0:14:52.400 --> 0:14:55.520 they may not be included in that four guys, you 0:14:55.560 --> 0:14:58.600 follow me, so that makes it even worse, right. 0:14:59.040 --> 0:15:02.760 But but yeah, I just I. 0:15:02.680 --> 0:15:05.480 Give all the credit to our coaches and you know, 0:15:05.840 --> 0:15:07.760 look at things how things were done in the past. 0:15:07.920 --> 0:15:08.920 That's just the difference. 0:15:09.840 --> 0:15:12.640 So when a guy comes in here though, and you know, 0:15:12.680 --> 0:15:15.200 I'm kind of referring to the Kiel but not specifically 0:15:15.360 --> 0:15:17.960 to the Kiel, I agree. But you come in and 0:15:18.000 --> 0:15:20.840 you missed training camp nine games of your rookie season. 0:15:21.520 --> 0:15:23.800 Then you go into your second season and COVID hits 0:15:23.800 --> 0:15:26.680 and you have no training camp, and now he's in 0:15:26.720 --> 0:15:28.840 that next offseason where it's still a bit of a 0:15:28.840 --> 0:15:30.720 shell of what is normal. 0:15:31.200 --> 0:15:34.320 How difficult is it for that kid to develop? 0:15:35.040 --> 0:15:37.080 Yes, that's gonna be difficult, especially with all the things 0:15:37.080 --> 0:15:40.040 he was stacked up against, you know, from his rookie 0:15:40.080 --> 0:15:43.920 season to the COVID year till last season and then 0:15:44.000 --> 0:15:48.200 whatever happens after that. He was one of those those 0:15:48.240 --> 0:15:51.560 projects that needed that time and that work, you know, 0:15:51.680 --> 0:15:54.920 from the receiver coaches to be really working, truly working 0:15:54.920 --> 0:15:56.840 with this guy and you know, not putting all this 0:15:56.920 --> 0:16:00.640 on the coaches because you know, any player eating to kill, 0:16:01.040 --> 0:16:04.120 he has to invest him time, his time in his 0:16:04.200 --> 0:16:07.560 craft to get better, you know, but it doesn't help 0:16:07.600 --> 0:16:08.520 him if he's injured. 0:16:08.600 --> 0:16:09.440 And then we have a. 0:16:09.400 --> 0:16:12.520 Whole season of nonsense, but not making any excuses for 0:16:12.560 --> 0:16:16.240 anyone else because it's being done elsewhere. Why is it 0:16:16.240 --> 0:16:18.680 that these guys over here can do it well? This 0:16:18.800 --> 0:16:22.920 offense expects certain things out of the receiver position and 0:16:22.960 --> 0:16:25.480 the guys that we bring in, and we trust that 0:16:25.480 --> 0:16:26.800 these guys are going to go out on the field 0:16:26.960 --> 0:16:29.080 and do X y Z what we're teaching them. 0:16:29.520 --> 0:16:30.440 Well, who knows. 0:16:30.480 --> 0:16:32.880 I mean he was at where Arizona State is totally different, 0:16:33.600 --> 0:16:34.600 totally different. 0:16:35.080 --> 0:16:37.040 The offense is completely different. 0:16:38.880 --> 0:16:41.840 And listen, listen Pellas I know you guys know that 0:16:41.920 --> 0:16:44.920 offense is very complex, you know, and you can see 0:16:44.960 --> 0:16:47.200 it where I mean, I'm still watching the guys. I 0:16:47.240 --> 0:16:49.960 watch the team every week. You can see it where 0:16:50.040 --> 0:16:53.440 Josh try to dumb it down for some of the 0:16:53.480 --> 0:16:56.520 guys and it's still just not there. And you know, 0:16:56.680 --> 0:16:59.880 Josh want to open up the entire playbook, especially when 0:17:00.320 --> 0:17:03.560 was there. You know, you can just see some of 0:17:03.600 --> 0:17:07.000 the same plays being repeated out there, you know, six 0:17:07.080 --> 0:17:08.960 seven times in the game, and that's what we got 0:17:08.960 --> 0:17:10.480 to just do what we can do for what we 0:17:10.560 --> 0:17:11.400 have right right now. 0:17:11.480 --> 0:17:14.480 Yeah, you mentioned Dion, you know how challenging training camp 0:17:14.600 --> 0:17:17.360 was your rookie year. Yeah, the team is coming off 0:17:17.480 --> 0:17:20.120 their first Super Bowl championship. You know, so your wide 0:17:20.160 --> 0:17:22.720 eyed kid, you know, you don't nothing. You're trying to 0:17:22.800 --> 0:17:25.280 keep your head above water. Did you get any sense 0:17:25.440 --> 0:17:28.360 in that camp like, wow, these are the defending champs, 0:17:28.480 --> 0:17:33.280 or any sort of vibe vibe that wow, these are 0:17:33.359 --> 0:17:35.040 defending champs, or did you just think this is a 0:17:35.040 --> 0:17:36.760 pro football team. I got to try to keep my 0:17:36.800 --> 0:17:39.920 head above water. What was your thought in mind and 0:17:40.119 --> 0:17:44.639 with regards to the team and how they were trying 0:17:44.640 --> 0:17:47.080 to move forward off of the championship. 0:17:47.520 --> 0:17:50.159 Well, I was super excited, that's the first thing, you know, 0:17:50.320 --> 0:17:53.720 just to even be drafted by the Patriots. Me personal 0:17:53.720 --> 0:17:55.600 the player I am, the type of individual I am. 0:17:55.640 --> 0:17:58.399 I'm just trying to be a sponge. I'm coming in. 0:17:58.480 --> 0:18:00.560