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Speaker 2: But that's like that people don't want it.

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Speaker 3: Again, I had my conversation my sister. Yes, she's like,

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Speaker 3: I don't want the attention. She was like, You've always

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Speaker 3: She's like, she's like we're so different, right, And I'm like,

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Speaker 3: you don't want the attention. But yet when you get

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Speaker 3: agasmet Can you get it?

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Speaker 2: You know, someone tells you look pretty?

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Speaker 1: Thanks for watching, guys. Today's episode is brought to you

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Speaker 2: This episode is about fashion. No, it's not about fashion.

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Speaker 2: It will be about fashion, but it is more than

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Speaker 2: a fashion conversation. Junia Ambrose has helped build the visual

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Speaker 2: identity of hip hop from the ground up and many

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Speaker 2: other things.

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Speaker 1: She has many accolades. She has done this as a woman,

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Speaker 1: a black woman, a self taught no roadmap.

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Speaker 2: She raised the generation of stylists. She's raised two children,

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Speaker 2: all while busting her ass. For over twenty five years.

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Speaker 2: She's dressed icons like jay Z, Mariah Carey, Mister Elliott,

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Speaker 2: and so many more, and she's now celebrating her own

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Speaker 2: capsule collection with Naturaliza what she has on today and

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Speaker 2: they're so cute. We'll get a close up of them later.

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Speaker 2: And she's just a badass.

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Speaker 1: We love her. June Ambrose's in the building today.

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Speaker 2: July Reduction. Oh now I feel like I don't have

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Speaker 2: to say anything. Yeah, you're just here. I always like

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Speaker 2: google me. No, Hi June, how are you?

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Speaker 4: June?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 4: June?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 4: How is life?

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Speaker 2: How is real?

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Speaker 4: Life? Life is good?

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Speaker 2: Is it? Life is good?

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Speaker 3: I mean you know, I'm an empty nester now, so

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Speaker 3: It is like you feel like I have like new skin,

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Speaker 3: Like I have two adults that really don't need me

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's like I got my second half of the game.

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Speaker 1: We've had this conversation a few times on the pod

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Speaker 1: because Lola came here right after Cayenne went to school.

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Speaker 1: She it was her only sons, your single mom.

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Speaker 3: It really hit her hard. My friends with the only

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Speaker 2: When when Summer went to college.

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Speaker 2: Why I'm okay. But do you miss them? Oh my goodness?

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Speaker 4: Like they talk.

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Speaker 1: She poasted that she's navigating her political rage.

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Speaker 3: You know, I prefer to lean on the side of

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Speaker 2: Because okay, so it's a bad day, whereat war, Yeah, thing.

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Speaker 2: It's like sex.

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Speaker 3: You have to be present right into like what is

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Speaker 3: Like I've never had a drink or smoke in my life,

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Speaker 3: Because I was always sheltered from like when someone died, no,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure there's so much influence in who you've become

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Speaker 2: Sadness in a room, especially when you're dealing with creatives.

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Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, when they got to go on stage

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Speaker 3: And you know this because we I mean, over thirty

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Speaker 2: Shit too, you know.

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Speaker 3: So it's like the same way that you're like passionate

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I just think it's specially when you have when you're

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Speaker 1: I'd never want to bring it in a room.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And sometimes you walk into a room and you

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Speaker 2: And sometimes it's just quiet. I just wonder what gave

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Speaker 1: Comfort to be okay to share yourself that moment?

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Speaker 3: She couldn't be there, she couldn't watch us twenty four

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Speaker 3: It's like a punishment lasted maybe like thirty minutes because

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Speaker 3: I was like, it was a big fight. She was like,

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Speaker 2: Look cute, she said.

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Speaker 3: I told you, like, I'm not telling you because I

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Speaker 2: Thing you were. And this is like black on black crime.

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Speaker 3: Hispanics like spurring at us, like I grew up in

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Speaker 3: But the discrimination against you know, Hispanics and blacks back

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Speaker 4: It was unreal.

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Speaker 2: It's mind blowing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so you know we've all experienced it in some way. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I think I've gotten it from everywhere.

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Speaker 2: I love that she gave you that type of permission.

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Speaker 4: What do you attribute that to?

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Speaker 2: It is a gift, but it's also a muscle.

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Speaker 3: And you know, creativity is absorbed in many different ways.

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Speaker 3: You know when my as a parent, like I would

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Speaker 2: My mom did the same thing for me too as well.

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Speaker 3: Early you know, when I was younger, she would take

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Speaker 3: She sent me away to none day New York to

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Speaker 3: these things are a life changing and it also play

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Speaker 3: So for me, it was as much exposure as I

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Speaker 3: Growing up in inner city was very, very I think

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Speaker 3: crucial to who I became. That makes sense, Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: Probably great for all parents to hear.

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Speaker 2: It's like, how do you nurture the creative spirit children?

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Speaker 4: You know?

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Speaker 1: And that is it that is exposing them.

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Speaker 2: To We have so much, We have so much more

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Speaker 3: You know, every report card said the same thing. No

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Speaker 2: She's a creative.

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Speaker 3: Even though I showed creativity even from elementary school.

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Speaker 2: I put on my first fashion show in my elementary school.

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Speaker 3: I organized it and produced it.

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00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:25,160
Speaker 2: It was insane.

446
00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:27,320
Speaker 3: I was like I would make I was a hustler

447
00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:29,800
Speaker 3: too because I needed money, extra money, so I would

448
00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:31,399
Speaker 3: make book covers.

449
00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:32,960
Speaker 2: Like at the time when we you know, the books,

450
00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:33,480
Speaker 2: we had.

451
00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:36,200
Speaker 3: To protect our books, our textbooks because if they came

452
00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:39,040
Speaker 3: back damage, your parents would have to pay for them.

453
00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:41,360
Speaker 2: So we would cover them with you know papers.

454
00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:44,199
Speaker 3: I was making custom book covers and selling them for

455
00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:47,639
Speaker 3: ten cents and five cents. I was making create paper

456
00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:51,280
Speaker 3: and sewing pencil holders and selling those at schools.

457
00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:53,400
Speaker 4: I was very enterprising. That's amazing.

458
00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:58,480
Speaker 3: I've always like entrepreneurship. It's always been like it's always

459
00:20:58,520 --> 00:20:59,600
Speaker 3: been in my grades.

460
00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:04,600
Speaker 2: It's the combination of creativity and entrepreneurship together that creates

461
00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:06,040
Speaker 2: a juvenam post hustler.

462
00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:07,399
Speaker 1: But you know what else too, It's like I was

463
00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:09,920
Speaker 1: thinking about this earlier too, And this probably pertains to

464
00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:12,960
Speaker 1: a lot of people, even outside what you do in

465
00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:17,080
Speaker 1: acts of service. People who are in like service business

466
00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:22,080
Speaker 1: or assistance or secretary or people who support other people

467
00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:26,200
Speaker 1: or help other people sometimes can get a little bit

468
00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:31,359
Speaker 1: lost in the secondary position, right, But you have seemed

469
00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:34,199
Speaker 1: to find a way. You did find a way, not

470
00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:36,920
Speaker 1: seem to, but you have found a way to make sure,

471
00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:39,080
Speaker 1: Like you said, like even with Jay, how this is

472
00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:42,320
Speaker 1: collaborative and was it always like that that you have

473
00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:44,360
Speaker 1: to find that because I can see that people in

474
00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:47,400
Speaker 1: those type of positions, I always I admire those type

475
00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:49,720
Speaker 1: of positions because they do sometimes get lost. I have

476
00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:53,199
Speaker 1: many friends who support other people, and I'm always like,

477
00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:55,760
Speaker 1: you need a little bit of main character energy, like.

478
00:21:57,600 --> 00:21:59,000
Speaker 2: Thing, don't want it? You know.

479
00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:03,840
Speaker 3: Again, I had my conversation my sister. She's like, I

480
00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:07,120
Speaker 3: don't want the attention. She was like, You've always liked attention,

481
00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:09,879
Speaker 3: you know. She's like, She's like, we're so different, right,

482
00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:12,360
Speaker 3: I'm like, you don't want the attention, but yet when

483
00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:14,800
Speaker 3: you get a compliment, you come on yourself. I mean

484
00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:17,680
Speaker 3: it's like, you know, it's like it's like it's like

485
00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:19,719
Speaker 3: an orgas, it's urgas.

486
00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:20,320
Speaker 2: Mat can get it.

487
00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:24,879
Speaker 3: You know, someone tells you look pretty.

488
00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:26,560
Speaker 4: She loves it.

489
00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:29,480
Speaker 2: She loves everyone who doesn't love a compliment.

490
00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:33,000
Speaker 1: But I understand there is a difference you and I'm like,

491
00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:36,000
Speaker 1: you would think I'm not I'm more like her.

492
00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:39,639
Speaker 2: I don't enjoy I believe you. But when you but

493
00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:43,520
Speaker 2: I don't feel like but I feel like you have received.

494
00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:46,760
Speaker 3: What that feels like when you walk into a building,

495
00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:49,160
Speaker 3: you know what it's like people recognize you all the time.

496
00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:53,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're like, well, I appreciated a moment or I

497
00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:55,640
Speaker 1: appreciate it and it's something that makes me feel good.

498
00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:58,080
Speaker 1: And yeah, I get a compliment. Listen, I appreciate that.

499
00:22:58,160 --> 00:22:58,920
Speaker 2: I'm modest too.

500
00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:01,520
Speaker 3: Don't get me wrong, I'm very modest and I can

501
00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:02,480
Speaker 3: be very shy.

502
00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:05,920
Speaker 1: I know that's very confusing. So you walk around Manhattan

503
00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:08,200
Speaker 1: with this help in your head. No, you are not

504
00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:11,040
Speaker 1: trying to blend in anywhere. You want to be seen.

505
00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:12,600
Speaker 1: You are comfortable seeing.

506
00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:15,879
Speaker 3: You are clown am because I like making friends and

507
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:17,919
Speaker 3: I like meeting people, and I feel like it's like

508
00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:19,520
Speaker 3: it attracts, like.

509
00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:21,320
Speaker 2: You know, the energy that I want. And even if

510
00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:22,359
Speaker 2: you don't get it, I'll never forget.

511
00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:24,600
Speaker 3: I got off a plane from LA and there was

512
00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:27,280
Speaker 3: this and this was recent because I've been wearing these

513
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:30,760
Speaker 3: cowboy heads for like three years now. And the person

514
00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:33,120
Speaker 3: with the wheelchairs, it comes up, people with the wheelchairs.

515
00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:35,400
Speaker 2: I come off the plane, hat on my cowboy hat

516
00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:36,120
Speaker 2: and I'm blanket.

517
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:38,040
Speaker 3: I'm like, I look like I just came from another

518
00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:42,240
Speaker 3: planet and she starts she laughs in my face and

519
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:44,919
Speaker 3: she was like, you look like a witch. This is

520
00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:49,000
Speaker 3: what she said to me. And I was like, so

521
00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:53,399
Speaker 3: it comes at a price, right. It's like, well, it

522
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:55,760
Speaker 3: could have been bad and it didn't end good for her,

523
00:23:56,040 --> 00:24:00,640
Speaker 3: but I, you know, I was like, wow, I could

524
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 3: be a victim and actually take offense to what she

525
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 3: was saying, or realize that.

526
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:09,560
Speaker 2: I can't be everything to everyone.

527
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:13,399
Speaker 3: So when you think about that, it's like, you know,

528
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 3: I go back to artists again. You know, you can't

529
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:20,240
Speaker 3: make music, you know, for the audience. You have to

530
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,760
Speaker 3: make music for yourself that you love it. You know,

531
00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:25,640
Speaker 3: that's like what It's an expression of who you are.

532
00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 3: So I thought about it in the same way. You know,

533
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:32,600
Speaker 3: my initial reaction was how dare you r? I was like,

534
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:35,720
Speaker 3: how dare you speak to me that way? And I

535
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,160
Speaker 3: said to hers that that is not very nice because

536
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:39,280
Speaker 3: you don't understand.

537
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:41,840
Speaker 2: Does it make it okay for you to speak to

538
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:42,360
Speaker 2: me that way?

539
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:43,359
Speaker 4: Good for you?

540
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:47,320
Speaker 3: And it's just And it was quick because we were hustling,

541
00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:49,360
Speaker 3: We're walking off the plane. But I had to say

542
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:52,320
Speaker 3: it in order to recover, So I like to unpack

543
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:55,240
Speaker 3: trauma quick I don't like to hold on to trauma

544
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:58,600
Speaker 3: because that could change how I start to see myself,

545
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:01,760
Speaker 3: or you know, think of but the young me. Someone's

546
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 3: judging you, and you immediately think, Okay, this didn't work

547
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,720
Speaker 3: for that person. No one's gonna like it. Let me

548
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:12,679
Speaker 3: conform to what society finds to be acceptable. And I

549
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 3: was just like, I'm not. I live in the universe,

550
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:17,720
Speaker 3: and I don't. I believe in the universe there are

551
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:21,359
Speaker 3: other planets and tons of stars, and there's this empty

552
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:24,640
Speaker 3: space that I can exist in and attract and that

553
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 3: light and all of those things that happens in space

554
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:29,680
Speaker 3: is where I'd rather live.

555
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 2: I need my own universe. Yeah, I need that planet

556
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 2: Earth could be cruel.

557
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:38,639
Speaker 1: So we should all have a universe like what is

558
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:40,360
Speaker 1: your what is your like?

559
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:41,639
Speaker 2: What is your antiverse?

560
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 1: Like?

561
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:45,400
Speaker 2: What is my anti verse? What everybody should figure out?

562
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:48,240
Speaker 1: What is the way that you operate through the world

563
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,959
Speaker 1: that is only yours and that you protect it so

564
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 1: that you don't lose yourself in other people's whatever expectations, opinions,

565
00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:58,240
Speaker 1: all those things.

566
00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:00,760
Speaker 2: But think about it. It's like when artists on stage,

567
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 2: you know, they are immediately transformed, that the energy that

568
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 2: you get from the audience that it's almost like it's

569
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 2: a high.

570
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 5: You know.

571
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:15,879
Speaker 3: It's like when people like you know, fame is a drug.

572
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 3: You know, people get really intoxicated by it. I don't

573
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:25,720
Speaker 3: subscribe to like fame. I subscribe to like energy. Right,

574
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 3: It's a source. It's how it's at the end of

575
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:32,120
Speaker 3: my life, at the end of this journey. I would

576
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 3: hope that people remember the way I made them feel.

577
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 3: And I think fashion and style is an expression of that.

578
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 3: And however provocative and whatever opinion you may have drawn

579
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:49,639
Speaker 3: from what I was presenting, I still made you feel

580
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 3: a certain way, and I could I could live with that, right,

581
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 3: I could live with that. And that's how I want

582
00:26:57,080 --> 00:27:00,639
Speaker 3: to live my life, constantly, reinventing myself constantly, you know.

583
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:03,120
Speaker 3: I think that's the unlock.

584
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 4: Yes, but you.

585
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 1: Do have to to do what you do. There does

586
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:11,399
Speaker 1: have to be a certain like how you said the

587
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 1: difference between you and your sister. Yeah, because I don't

588
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,680
Speaker 1: think everybody like you said, some people don't want you,

589
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:18,119
Speaker 1: they do.

590
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 4: It.

591
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 2: I do not wish to walk.

592
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:23,880
Speaker 1: Sometimes I walk around the city with a gray hoody

593
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:27,679
Speaker 1: on and and whatever, like just that's it.

594
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:31,240
Speaker 5: I like blending right, I just like it and and

595
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 5: it's a it's a trend, right, it's also like a trend.

596
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 2: Right. Well, I don't do it to be well quiet luxury.

597
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:40,679
Speaker 3: Right now they say, okay, well, lucky me, so you're

598
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 3: you are a timeless It's not more quiet luxury.

599
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 4: That's not my point.

600
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:50,120
Speaker 1: I'm just acknowledging the difference in types of like personalities

601
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:51,159
Speaker 1: where fashion is concerned.

602
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have to know. I have to acknowledge it

603
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 2: too as well.

604
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 3: To be honest, I have to acknowledge it when I

605
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:58,159
Speaker 3: design a collection, when I'm like when I'm putting out

606
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 3: collaborations and co burning to think about the customer that

607
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 3: it's it's a it's a very interesting when you start

608
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 3: to create consumer goods, you have to think about that

609
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 3: person that doesn't want that much attention. But then you

610
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:14,439
Speaker 3: also have to create something that's going to push them

611
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:16,640
Speaker 3: a little bit out of their comfort zone, which I've

612
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 3: done my entire career. My job is to forecast, is

613
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:25,400
Speaker 3: to is to is to insist that you feel something

614
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 3: in the in the experience right of transforming, evolving. What

615
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 3: we're doing is something very transformative. You know, when you're

616
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:34,200
Speaker 3: in charge, when you are collaborating with someone and you're

617
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 3: in charge of their image and likeness, and sometimes it's

618
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 3: not collaborative. Sometimes someone is like, take me, figure it

619
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 3: out for me. Help, you know, like I can't articulate

620
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 3: what it is that I know I want to be,

621
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 3: so just show me and I'll let you know how

622
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 3: it if it, if it, if it feels right.

623
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 2: Sometimes it's like that.

624
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 3: It's not always like someone's telling you, you know, for you. Yeah, honestly, yeah,

625
00:28:58,400 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 3: I would like to do that.

626
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 6: I would I would like I would submit. I mean,

627
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 6: we had this experience before MTV Awards. You were like,

628
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 6: oh Lord Jesus, like, I don't want to where this goes.

629
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 6: But we got a lot of attention we did. She

630
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 6: was so bad at me, was.

631
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 1: So mad here.

632
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 2: She was like, you made me the ten woman.

633
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 1: Here's why I.

634
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 4: Was mad at you.

635
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 1: It was a ladies first, it was ladies night, it

636
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 1: was I.

637
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 3: Think we should talk about it right, because it's not

638
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 3: always going to be you know, because I don't blame

639
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 3: you though, because this is not your fault.

640
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 2: I take responsibility though.

641
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, but this is not your fault. Here's what happened.

642
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 1: I'm a young girl who gets thrown into this mix

643
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 1: with these experienced artists. I was not an artist. I

644
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 1: had no real experience in public uh and definitely not performance.

645
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 1: Getting on stage MTV Awards was a big deal. We

646
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 1: just out of nowhere. I just chopped on a song

647
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 1: and the song went crazy.

648
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 2: It's crazy and we got a Grammy nomination.

649
00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 1: Where at the MTV Awards.

650
00:29:58,680 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 2: I don't have a team.

651
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 1: I don't I have a stylist.

652
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 2: I don't have all the things that all the other

653
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 2: girls had.

654
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 1: They so they did. You were not even my stylist.

655
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 4: No, I know.

656
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 2: They said, didn't trust me.

657
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 1: Because because I didn't know you.

658
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 2: I didn't know you.

659
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 1: It's not that I didn't trust you, it's that they said,

660
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 1: here June, take care.

661
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 2: Of her too, And I would, yeah, yeah, what what

662
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 2: is it?

663
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 1: I don't have any I would and I.

664
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 3: Was customing everything that I was literally custom designing everything at.

665
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 2: That time, and they gave you this. I had a day.

666
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 2: We didn't even collaborate on it, and we didn't have

667
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 2: a conversation, take time.

668
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 1: And say to me, okay, what is.

669
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 2: Martinez?

670
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 1: Who is And we didn't have any of that. They

671
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 1: threw me to you.

672
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 2: I was like, this is when you were already in

673
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 2: the thing. You put me in the theme, which was fine.

674
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 2: And then the day of the awards, I had no shoes.

675
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 3: Oh my god, you remembers all the details.

676
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 1: You know.

677
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I had no shoes. And then they

678
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 2: I said, what I'm standing there? We're about to go out,

679
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 2: and I have enough shoes on my friend to give you.

680
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 1: I think somebody was somebody came running down and said,

681
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 1: June said wear these and they were these.

682
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 2: Ashes, like I really hate you.

683
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 4: Know I did. I didn't love you that moment.

684
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 1: There were these big, chunky black shoes, which had we

685
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 1: had some time together, you would know these are not

686
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 1: the shoes her affection. So I don't blame you because

687
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 1: they threw me at you.

688
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 2: And that was you know.

689
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 1: What I learned in that moment is like I have

690
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 1: to be in control. But I didn't know better at

691
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 1: the time. I was fresh and young whatever. But I learned.

692
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 1: I learned because what I would never do it. Yes,

693
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 1: I was not going to show up at an event unprepared,

694
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 1: not knowing when I was gonna wear, not knowing who

695
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 1: was gonna help me wear, Like I didn't. You just

696
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 1: happened to be poor.

697
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 3: The poor person that it was the story of my life.

698
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 3: But I also had to be the person that nurtured

699
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 3: that you were unhappy, that you were that you that

700
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 3: you were nervous by everything. I recognize all of those

701
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 3: things in the moment, and that's why I said to

702
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 3: over one. Yeah, that's why I said I take responsibility

703
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 3: because at the even though we all of these things,

704
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 3: of course I left.

705
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 2: If you weren't happy. I knew that.

706
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 3: I felt I took responsibility for that because it was

707
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 3: my job to make sure you were regardless.

708
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 2: So when I say to you like that will always

709
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 2: sit with me.

710
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 3: But you know, I can't make excuses, and I think

711
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 3: a good leader doesn't make excuses. You take responsibility, You

712
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:38,479
Speaker 3: apologize and you have and that's how you again unpack

713
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 3: the trauma, own it and move on. Because if I

714
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 3: sit and give you excuses, oh blah blah blah, you

715
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 3: know I don't have time to thrown at me. Well

716
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 3: you don't want to hear that, you know, But only

717
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 3: that I can look at you and say, is you know, Angie,

718
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 3: you are one hundred percent right. I recognize that you're unhappy,

719
00:32:56,560 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 3: and I apologize, and you shouldn't have to experience that.

720
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 3: That's my job, that's my role. That's what I take

721
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 3: on when I say yes. And if I didn't want

722
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 3: to take it on, I shouldn't have said yes. I

723
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 3: did so I have to.

724
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 2: You were young too, by the way, of course, But

725
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 2: I'm saying like I felt it, like I owned it.

726
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 2: You know, I wasn't happy that you were unhappy. Oh, Julie,

727
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 2: we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna have a due.

728
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 2: We're gonna wear the anniversary neutralized. I need more than that.

729
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 2: I'm I'm gonna do it all. I'm gonna do it.

730
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 2: You know.

731
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 4: It's funny.

732
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 2: I had this cover after You'll Stop Angie.

733
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 4: We had this conversation.

734
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 2: I had this conversation a couple a couple of months

735
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 2: ago with ferg you know, yeah, of course, Oh my god,

736
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 2: he's amazing.

737
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 4: I just love him.

738
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 2: He I love how he sees me too, the way he.

739
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 3: Probably a doors yeah, he you know, it's like this

740
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 3: is a different I recognize our generation is so different

741
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 3: from this.

742
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 2: He's the news somewhat. He's in the middle of the

743
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 2: new Yeah, he's in the middle.

744
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 3: He's like in high school, there's a there's a generation

745
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 3: of young designers creative directors that all are like you know, yeah,

746
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 3: and like even recently, you know, asap with you know,

747
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 3: and people don't know that I was a costume designer

748
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 3: for Belly and they redid.

749
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 2: For rape and I for me, I sit back and

750
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:28,760
Speaker 2: I feel so relevant.

751
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 1: Because you designed that first the scene.

752
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:34,360
Speaker 3: I the movie was mine. Look at the film costume

753
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:38,839
Speaker 3: designer June Ambrose in the opening credits, you know.

754
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 2: So for me, that was it was great.

755
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 3: It immediately said, you know, to texting Hi Williams and

756
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 3: I a texting and I'm like, this is great.

757
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:47,959
Speaker 4: You know.

758
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 2: Do you need the recognition for that?

759
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:50,360
Speaker 4: No?

760
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 2: I mean that was enough for me. I mean I'm

761
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 2: just used to not getting it. Are you really about that?

762
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 4: Yeah? What is that?

763
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 2: Does that?

764
00:34:57,920 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 4: I don't know?

765
00:34:58,320 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 2: Does it that you do? I can't give it that.

766
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 3: I can't give them that much power, because I if

767
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:08,360
Speaker 3: I that's like becoming this victim, you know, oh, people like,

768
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,760
Speaker 3: oh you need your flowers. No, No, I get my flowers.

769
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 3: I am very blessed. I am like my I am

770
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 3: still like in it, And to me, that is that

771
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 3: blessing being able to the phone still like that people

772
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 3: still wanting to collaborate with me, you know, being able

773
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,759
Speaker 3: to bring products to the marketplace, to the larger consumer,

774
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 3: you know, being able to have that. I spent four years,

775
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,799
Speaker 3: like you know, launching women's basketball at a time when

776
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 3: women's basketball wasn't even a thing at Puma and in

777
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 3: the industry, and now look at women in basketball.

778
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 2: I was ahead of it.

779
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 3: I said, this is something that we need to really

780
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 3: get behind and support, like they're counting on us. The

781
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:46,840
Speaker 3: same way I felt about hip hop culture it crossing

782
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 3: over into high fashion. So again, what my conversations with

783
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 3: ast Ferg's like, you know, he recognized my contribution, you know,

784
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 3: my bust to rhymes by Missy Elliots, my Jaysey, all

785
00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 3: that stuff that I can't continue to like ride on

786
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:03,839
Speaker 3: because it's to me, it's like a two decades old Yes,

787
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 3: I need to be able to be relevant with everyone else.

788
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 3: I'm glad you guys are like, But for me, I'm like, okay,

789
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 3: Like I don't want to be a husband, So what

790
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 3: do you do?

791
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 2: What's your you know, Like for me, I'm always like,

792
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:15,240
Speaker 2: what's my next?

793
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 4: What's next?

794
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,839
Speaker 2: What am I What can I crack and break the

795
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 2: mold on next and you know when I was you know,

796
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 2: you know, when I partnered with you know, Puma to

797
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 2: work with them and launch that division, that was like

798
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:30,320
Speaker 2: for me, that was like the next, Like that was

799
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 2: an important task because you're talking about a culture that

800
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 2: we needed to build and form and create and I

801
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 2: was responsible for that, and that I like responsibility.

802
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, you own it.

803
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 1: I like your arms around that the thing I wanted

804
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 1: to go back to with for We had this conversation

805
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 1: about I was telling you about an experience that I had.

806
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 1: I never really been to a passion show and there

807
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 1: was somebody we were having this conversation and somebody was

808
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,320
Speaker 1: talking about somebody else and they said, oh, she reeks

809
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 1: of effort, And they weren't talking about meaning.

810
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 2: Nobody else, but what I said I felt that. I

811
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, she does wreaking.

812
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:09,760
Speaker 1: I don't want to ever feel like I am wreaking

813
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 1: of efforts, Like I don't.

814
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 2: Such a fashion snob statement.

815
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 1: It is a snobby statement, but also it's a real

816
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 1: life statement because it's like do you Because we were

817
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,279
Speaker 1: also talking about flow state and like should you have

818
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 1: to be trying so hard to.

819
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 2: Impress people be part of what's hot?

820
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 1: What's part of what proper? And like, where is the

821
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 1: line because you're a soulful person too, You're not just

822
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 1: a creative or a fashion girl, right, Like, so where

823
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 1: is the line between how you present where fashion is

824
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 1: concerned and what's inside and what matters on the inside,

825
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 1: Like where do you how do you navigate that?

826
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 2: Because I'm sure you've even been in some fashion rooms

827
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:52,959
Speaker 2: where you're like, oh, these people are.

828
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:53,319
Speaker 4: Full of shit.

829
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 3: I honestly, I don't even consider myself to be like

830
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 3: a fashion girl really that it's like, first of all,

831
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:06,239
Speaker 3: everything is so segregated, Like you know, you go to

832
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 3: fashion shows.

833
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 4: Now you have the.

834
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 2: Editors and the condie nests.

835
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 3: You know, you have the editorial stylists, you have the

836
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 3: you know, the music culture athlete you know stylists, and

837
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 3: then you have the influencers. So like everyone's in like

838
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 3: these buckets and everyone has an opinion about everyone, and.

839
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 2: It's like it's a thing. Yeah, and I just want

840
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 2: to be in the universe. I don't be part of

841
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:43,479
Speaker 2: it because I feel like, yeah, it's like what is.

842
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 4: What is true to you?

843
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really the answer to the question.

844
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 3: It's it's like, you know, especially at this age, I'm like,

845
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 3: what do you want from me?

846
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 2: I just I'm just trying to enjoy this time.

847
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:55,879
Speaker 1: I want to wear with you, Like what to you?

848
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:59,840
Speaker 2: What is the what is I don't have to ask permission?

849
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:03,839
Speaker 1: I know what is? Like? What do you appreciate about it? Well,

850
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 1: somebody who comes in it is ownership.

851
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 3: It is like looking at someone who I really enjoy

852
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:14,799
Speaker 3: watching someone even when it's quiet luxury and it's like

853
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 3: super like effortless or it's you know, I enjoy.

854
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 2: People trying.

855
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,919
Speaker 3: So when someone says like it's so much effort, thank god,

856
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 3: because you think about it, we'll think about it as

857
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 3: a designer. Right if if fashion is mute without style,

858
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,320
Speaker 3: and what is style? It's a language, it's a conversation.

859
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:41,799
Speaker 3: It's how you articulate. So if someone doesn't even at

860
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:45,879
Speaker 3: least try to tell a story, even if it's effortless,

861
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 3: or know what they may seem to be like you

862
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 3: know the row very quiet luxury, just a simple T

863
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:54,279
Speaker 3: shirt and you know a very Haley Bieber like you know,

864
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 3: no hats, no bells and whistles. You know that is

865
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 3: what the new acceptable norm is. Right, So society is

866
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 3: saying this is what we find to be sophisticated. I

867
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 3: would be like like they would be disgusted by me,

868
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:11,280
Speaker 3: you know, like because it's just like so many things.

869
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 2: But I'm like, but it's me.

870
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 3: It's like I've left the house without a hat and

871
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:18,880
Speaker 3: I felt like I left without anything all and I

872
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 3: felt naked.

873
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 2: You know, I've left without big glasses or.

874
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:25,720
Speaker 3: I like punctuation. First of all, I'm five foot two. Okay,

875
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 3: my hat gives me hYP you know, whatever shape I'm doing.

876
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 3: And you know, it's like I'm a little person. And again,

877
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 3: I don't want to fit in. I don't want to

878
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 3: fit in. I want to I want to, you know,

879
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 3: to stand on the scene and explode. Yeah, I'm just

880
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 3: I want to arrive.

881
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 1: I wish for everybody to find their own universe, whatever

882
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 1: that is.

883
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:50,240
Speaker 2: Just like, if like simplicity is your thing, I enjoy

884
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 2: that too. I just love it.

885
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 3: I just love when people actually feel like themselves and effortless.

886
00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 3: Because the swag, when people talk about they have that thing,

887
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 3: that swag is what translates everything.

888
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 2: That's the unlock.

889
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 3: You know, you could put the same outfit on two

890
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 3: different people, and the swag is so because the translation

891
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 3: is really.

892
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 1: What is that what is the definition persona?

893
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 3: Definition of it's like, it's the definition of swag is persona.

894
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 3: It is confidence, it is attitude, it is articulation at

895
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:33,839
Speaker 3: its finest and that can't be that's unmatched. So when

896
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 3: people are trying to find themselves, just find the thing

897
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 3: that really makes you feel like you're speaking your language.

898
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,799
Speaker 1: What about to somebody who wants to I'm sure we

899
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:45,400
Speaker 1: have a.

900
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 2: Lot of women that watch the pod.

901
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:50,840
Speaker 1: What about if somebody's board where they're at or where

902
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 1: or they wear the same things all the time. They

903
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 1: do the same things all the time and they want

904
00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 1: to switch.

905
00:41:57,840 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 2: They want to reimagine, Yeah, what do you do?

906
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:00,840
Speaker 1: What is the recommending?

907
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 3: I think that you have to step outside of like

908
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 3: you know, like those kind of people typically like to

909
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 3: just kind of admire and think because I hear this a.

910
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 2: Lot, Oh I couldn't do that. Oh I can't pull

911
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 2: that off. But have you tried? And it could be.

912
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 3: As simple as changing your lip color, cutting your hair.

913
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 2: It doesn't have to be a full overall overall.

914
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:24,720
Speaker 3: It could be adding a color if you never wear color,

915
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 3: if you do, if you're a person that only wears

916
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 3: like khaki, black and white over like very neutrals, and

917
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 3: you throw a neon in there, or you throw you know,

918
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:37,799
Speaker 3: like a primary color in there. You've reimagined and reinvented

919
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 3: yourself because you've tried something that is not or perfect example,

920
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:46,360
Speaker 3: taking something out of context. Like when I'm creating a design,

921
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 3: I'm working on something I'm always taking out of context.

922
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:56,240
Speaker 3: Early in my career, my signature in design was taking

923
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 3: athletic silhouettes and merging them with luxurious fabrics leather, suedes, pony.

924
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:06,840
Speaker 3: I was taking the silhouettes were very.

925
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 2: Traditional, a denim.

926
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:14,800
Speaker 3: Jacket or a trap jacket silhouette. But I was reimagining

927
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 3: you know these things, and that's really what design is.

928
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:24,319
Speaker 3: You're reimagining, you know, it's the interpretation of Yeah, you're

929
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:27,720
Speaker 3: reimagining a silhouette. You're giving it different shape and form.

930
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 3: How the peplum has been around forever, but are we

931
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:34,839
Speaker 3: using horse here to give it shape and give it stiffness?

932
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:36,839
Speaker 2: Like? What is that fabric in that?

933
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:39,800
Speaker 3: You know, the expision of that pattern that's going to

934
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 3: disrupt am I doing a blue song sleeve on a

935
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 3: track jacket opposed to a traditional drop shoulder a raglin

936
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 3: in set sleep, but adding those little details is designed

937
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:54,840
Speaker 3: reimagine and you know, I think about style in the

938
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 3: same way. It's how you interpret and take things out

939
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:00,240
Speaker 3: of context to make it your own.

940
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 2: Is how you create a conversation.

941
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 4: So there's no like.

942
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:09,359
Speaker 1: Generic tips, there's no tip across the board that works

943
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 1: for everybody, like don't do this, do that.

944
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 2: There's none of that. I mean, I wrote a book

945
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:14,360
Speaker 2: about it. It's very It was very generic.

946
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 3: They had all the like Effortless Style, how to chieve

947
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 3: iconic Style, you know, Effortless Style was the name of

948
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 3: my book, and it was very commercial one oh one

949
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 3: on how to Achieve Iconic Style with ease. Yeah, and

950
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 3: it had all of the generic things. We can go

951
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:34,839
Speaker 3: back to the fundamentals, right, but we're beyond that. We're

952
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:37,839
Speaker 3: at the point where we have to make people uncomfortable.

953
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:41,280
Speaker 4: M hm, it's okay.

954
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:43,760
Speaker 2: Uncomfortable is a good feeling.

955
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 3: When you first meet someone, you're nervous, you have butterflies,

956
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:47,879
Speaker 3: you don't know if you like this person, but you're

957
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 3: getting to know them, you're trying it, you're trying them on.

958
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 2: Like when our.

959
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 3: Daughter first started dating, we were like, you got to

960
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:57,880
Speaker 3: try on different shoes, different you know, try you know, not.

961
00:44:57,920 --> 00:44:59,839
Speaker 2: Saying God and be a sluck. I'm just saying, you know, date,

962
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:03,280
Speaker 2: you know date. It's okay to date and meet someone,

963
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 2: and so you have to get to pity.

964
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 3: It's the same thing with discovering the new you discovering

965
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 3: your style. I'm always gonna metaphorically and draw interpretations from

966
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:16,759
Speaker 3: different life experiences for you to.

967
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:19,719
Speaker 2: Find yourself when it comes to style. Maybe that's the

968
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 2: second book. I love that as a book. I buy

969
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 2: the book. I would buy that book right now.

970
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 1: Where is the line between dressing for yourself and dressing

971
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 1: for other people?

972
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 2: Because they say, like, when you walk in a room,

973
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:35,799
Speaker 2: how you.

974
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:38,399
Speaker 1: People will judge you immediately, and you know there's there's

975
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 1: reasons why people want to look nice when they go

976
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 1: to things.

977
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 2: It's like for other people, But what is.

978
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 1: Where is the line between being in your universe and

979
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 1: dressing for outside approval opinion?

980
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 2: It's it's for me. It's like are you naked or

981
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 2: do you have on clothes? You know what I mean?

982
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 4: You know what I mean.

983
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 3: It's like I've broken down into my bronze panties. On

984
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:07,840
Speaker 3: social media, people thought I was having a life crisis,

985
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 3: but I was basically trying to express that self awareness,

986
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 3: self confidence, being okay with who and what you are

987
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:20,720
Speaker 3: is enough.

988
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 2: And when you start to feel like.

989
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:28,720
Speaker 3: Just stripped down that that's enough, then starting to layer

990
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 3: things on top of that starts to feel a little

991
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:36,319
Speaker 3: bit more tangible and and it relates back to silhouettes,

992
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:38,720
Speaker 3: like finding that silhouette that really makes you feel confident

993
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 3: and it's flattering to your body, both men and women.

994
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 3: It comes from a there's a clinical psychology to that

995
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 3: how you get to that place. You know why you

996
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 3: may see, you know certain people wearing things that are

997
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:54,880
Speaker 3: ill fitting and they have no idea that it's sabotaging

998
00:46:55,480 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 3: their bodies because in their minds they have come to

999
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:08,839
Speaker 3: terms with how they look physically and they're like, I'm

1000
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 3: gonna wear whatever.

1001
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 2: There is.

1002
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 3: There is an honesty there that I that, even though

1003
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 3: we may have an opinion about it, that I have

1004
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 3: to admire.

1005
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:23,279
Speaker 2: And that is like you put that on and you

1006
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 2: came outside and you own it, So I'm not gonna

1007
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 2: I have to respect that.

1008
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 3: Now I may have an opinion about it, where I

1009
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:35,799
Speaker 3: feel like my opinion is to like, I could offer

1010
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:37,799
Speaker 3: you something that could be a lot more flattering, but

1011
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:42,360
Speaker 3: will it disrupt what you have psychologically, that journey that

1012
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 3: you've been on.

1013
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 2: I don't want to compromise.

1014
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 3: So again, it takes time and and and the experience

1015
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 3: of working with someone like myself.

1016
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:52,879
Speaker 2: It does.

1017
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:55,399
Speaker 3: It's it's an evolution and it's an it's a it's

1018
00:47:55,440 --> 00:48:02,840
Speaker 3: a psychological understanding of what people need to feel confident

1019
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:08,479
Speaker 3: and to step out in something that they didn't initially own.

1020
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:14,320
Speaker 3: And we didn't initially own this, but we owned our skin,

1021
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:15,800
Speaker 3: our body, our flesh.

1022
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 2: We own that. Why I went why, I was like,

1023
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 2: my body's my temple. I went vegan.

1024
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 3: I was like, I'm gonna like to me, that is

1025
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:28,959
Speaker 3: the first thing. You take care of the temple, the.

1026
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 2: Temple, and then the confidence is built off of all

1027
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:34,760
Speaker 2: of that. You feel good.

1028
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:35,279
Speaker 1: You know.

1029
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 3: Energy is important, yeah, for sure, but that's maintenance. So

1030
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 3: people are like, oh my god, you have so much

1031
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 3: like I have. Like I protect it. I protect my energy,

1032
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:46,319
Speaker 3: I protect my space, I protect who's in you know,

1033
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 3: who's in my in my circle?

1034
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 2: You take care of your temple, yes, because you know

1035
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 2: you eat well.

1036
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 4: I eat well, exercises.

1037
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, exercise, oh not as much as I should.

1038
00:48:57,960 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 3: But I feel like getting out of the bedroom.

1039
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 4: We'll see dancing.

1040
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:03,400
Speaker 3: I do get my steps in, but I would like

1041
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:05,920
Speaker 3: to start to do a little bit more focused workout.

1042
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:10,239
Speaker 3: Like strength training is definitely my focus right now. Yeah,

1043
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:14,360
Speaker 3: muscle mass, that's very important. But I wouldn't mind taking

1044
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 3: like a pilates and a little bickroom.

1045
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:21,400
Speaker 2: To keep my job, to keep my joy loose. You know,

1046
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:24,719
Speaker 2: eahing is cruel. It could be cruel, itahing could be

1047
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:25,320
Speaker 2: very cruel.

1048
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 4: I know how you do?

1049
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:29,240
Speaker 2: How do you deal with that? Especially in your world

1050
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:32,719
Speaker 2: where everything is so visual. I mean, you look amazing,

1051
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 2: thank you.

1052
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:38,760
Speaker 1: You should feel good, but it probably becomes a little

1053
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:39,800
Speaker 1: hard as you get older.

1054
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 2: It's harder to maintain they're looking and feeling good. I

1055
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:47,960
Speaker 2: mean honestly, like I get down a little bit. Like

1056
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:51,799
Speaker 2: you know, first of all, comparison is will rob you

1057
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 2: of all your joy.

1058
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I try not to, like whenever I feel

1059
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:57,439
Speaker 3: like that feeling of like oh my god, like this

1060
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 3: is happening, And then you're looking around you and like

1061
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 3: and people are equating like asi your relevancy.

1062
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 2: It's like, I hate asism.

1063
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 3: It's like so horrible that people like, you know, you

1064
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:08,360
Speaker 3: get a certain age and they're like Auntie.

1065
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 2: That's why I'm like, don't call me auntie Auntie.

1066
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 3: If you're gonna mama jew me, great, but you better

1067
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:18,880
Speaker 3: be in your twenties. Yeah, not in your forties. Like

1068
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 3: it kills me. You know, it kills me when they

1069
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 3: when they when they start to I'm not a fan

1070
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 3: of that because I know what that, what that attracts,

1071
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 3: and what that what's the connotation behind it. So I'm

1072
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 3: always like they're like, oh, just out of respect, you

1073
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 3: can just you want to respect me, call me miss

1074
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 3: Ambrose or you know, miss June or whatever.

1075
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 2: You want to have respect like a Southerner. Fine, but Auntie,

1076
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 2: you know, it's a little bit very personal.

1077
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 4: I'm not into it either.

1078
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 2: I'm so glad you're not into very hat too. Right,

1079
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:47,400
Speaker 2: It's like it's right, It's like, all right, what are

1080
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:49,279
Speaker 2: you trying to say? You know what I mean? Because

1081
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:50,880
Speaker 2: you know they'd be trying to they be slick talking.

1082
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:52,920
Speaker 2: You got to catch them quick, the little slick talkers,

1083
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:57,360
Speaker 2: and they'd be trying it like that slick talk. What

1084
00:50:57,520 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 2: about answer your question?

1085
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:00,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, it all.

1086
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:05,040
Speaker 2: There's no right wrong answers. I know, it's like old places.

1087
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:09,280
Speaker 2: We just I could have mad a question really quickly.

1088
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 1: I loved the story about on the run. I want

1089
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:15,759
Speaker 1: I wonder about like because even to go back to

1090
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 1: that day of me being in that, you know, I

1091
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 1: was never I always kind of struggle with wait, like me,

1092
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:24,319
Speaker 1: I was up and down right, and so even back then,

1093
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:26,719
Speaker 1: even so even in that moment that we talked about

1094
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:29,319
Speaker 1: the MTV Awards, I was probably like, you know, I

1095
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 1: couldn't really wear what Little Kim was wearing.

1096
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 2: I remember that I couldn't wear you know, I was

1097
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 2: I didn't really feel that, but.

1098
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:41,799
Speaker 1: I remember like.

1099
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 2: What you did with Missy right, and we got.

1100
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 3: What I think we like on the here's the thing

1101
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:53,399
Speaker 3: about that, we were like on the Worst Dress List.

1102
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:55,799
Speaker 2: We was like, yeah, wait for that. I did the

1103
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 2: plaid hat with the matching golfer.

1104
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 3: Cleats and and and that remix it that I need

1105
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 3: his track jacket and people like this. Next that season,

1106
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:14,759
Speaker 3: do your runway flat sports where clam diggers, fabric covered plaid.

1107
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 2: Cleats, and.

1108
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 1: So sometimes we have we do a golf I'm just

1109
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 1: do a golf outfit.

1110
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:24,279
Speaker 2: Let's do let's do it big, Let's do it.

1111
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 3: Let's do a big let's too, Let's do it very

1112
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:28,319
Speaker 3: collaborative so people can buy into it.

1113
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:29,759
Speaker 2: Okay, not a one off.

1114
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:43,000
Speaker 3: I think big now, I think enterprising, Honey.

1115
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 4: No one off.

1116
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:41,400
Speaker 2: We're building. We're building, we're building empires.

1117
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 4: We'll get we'll get it. But she loves it.

1118
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:51,760
Speaker 2: She's like, yes, no. But you know, Missy who who

1119
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 2: was not the sample size either, you found a way

1120
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:57,760
Speaker 2: to make her a fly. And even though the data suits,

1121
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:00,920
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, I'm so happy that these are

1122
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:03,799
Speaker 2: the styles because we could. You were like studding them

1123
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 2: out and do it. And and then I started wearing

1124
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:09,400
Speaker 2: those feeling to you and feeling like I was in

1125
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:09,880
Speaker 2: a you know.

1126
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:12,880
Speaker 3: That you had some creative license, right, Yes, we took

1127
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:16,439
Speaker 3: creative license and that ip we kind of we took

1128
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:19,279
Speaker 3: so much creative license we were able to. I was

1129
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:22,080
Speaker 3: able to go to add at us and do the

1130
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:26,560
Speaker 3: first collaboration artists, well not the first because they did

1131
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 3: run DMC, but Missy in terms of in her genre.

1132
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 3: I remember at the time female artists first collaboration respect me,

1133
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 3: I was a creative director with it and her with

1134
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 3: you know, with her on it, and that was befair.

1135
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 3: So you see all these collaborative like partnerships now and

1136
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:44,880
Speaker 3: it's like we you know, I'm gonna say it out loud,

1137
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 3: we did it in two thousands. In the two thousands,

1138
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 3: we did it, and yeah, and it's not you know,

1139
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:55,400
Speaker 3: it's like we did it because we knew that we

1140
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 3: were worthy of it. But those seeds, I think are

1141
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:03,720
Speaker 3: just did the way those big brands saw our culture

1142
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 3: and the power of our influence and the impact that

1143
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 3: it was going to have and not just from you

1144
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:14,560
Speaker 3: taking and culture vultering it. But you had to partner.

1145
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 3: You had to partner, and we made we made it

1146
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 3: a thing. So the prerequisite was if you want, if

1147
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:27,239
Speaker 3: you want to play this game, you have to play

1148
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 3: it with us.

1149
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:29,320
Speaker 2: You have to be on the team.

1150
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 3: And I just I look at everything now and know yeah,

1151
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 3: and everyone talks about it.

1152
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:40,759
Speaker 2: Like it's like so new, You're like been there, did that?

1153
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:44,359
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1154
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Speaker 4: It is a little.

1169
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:28,040
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1170
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Speaker 8: I just have to tell you that I absolutely love

1172
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 8: and adore you everything that you stand for for black culture,

1173
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:39,279
Speaker 8: for black women, and also the drops you've been having

1174
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 8: on style lettics. I love and need every pair and

1175
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:44,960
Speaker 8: every color. Okay, now that that's out the way, do

1176
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:47,719
Speaker 8: not have to ask you about black designers because I'm

1177
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:51,360
Speaker 8: noticing this pattern where black designers who have shaped culture

1178
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:54,359
Speaker 8: and that we all love get dragged the second thing,

1179
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:57,600
Speaker 8: make one mistake, and other major retailers do far worse

1180
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:02,040
Speaker 8: with zero public consequence. I think about how one article

1181
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:05,520
Speaker 8: from the Cut essentially like took down pr Moss and

1182
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:08,759
Speaker 8: how most recently with Hanifa, she's getting dragged left and

1183
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:11,520
Speaker 8: right on the internet because of delayed orders. But I'm like,

1184
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:13,839
Speaker 8: Shean has delayed orders all the time, and I don't

1185
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:16,759
Speaker 8: see any tiktoks, I think pieces or anything like that

1186
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:19,520
Speaker 8: about math y'all love to go back to.

1187
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:20,680
Speaker 1: Shean, you know what I mean.

1188
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:23,799
Speaker 8: And as someone who is a legend and og in

1189
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:26,759
Speaker 8: the fashion industry, I wanted to ask you what does

1190
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:31,280
Speaker 8: responsible accountability actually look like for black brands, especially knowing

1191
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:34,759
Speaker 8: that the margin of air is so thin and one

1192
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:37,680
Speaker 8: bad press cycle or one bad article can be lights

1193
00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:38,720
Speaker 8: out for their business.

1194
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:40,240
Speaker 1: Wow.

1195
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:45,000
Speaker 3: Well, it's loaded and so provocative and so honest and

1196
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:49,600
Speaker 3: so true and so sad and so makes me angry.

1197
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:49,960
Speaker 2: You know.

1198
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 3: It makes me angry for so many reasons because we

1199
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 3: are our worst enemy, you know. And I always tell like,

1200
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:02,600
Speaker 3: you know, young designers, And I've had this conversation with

1201
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:04,360
Speaker 3: Lakwan Smith early in his career.

1202
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:05,960
Speaker 2: I used to tell him.

1203
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:12,239
Speaker 3: Stop chasing retail. It's and this was before there was

1204
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:17,640
Speaker 3: a tel Far. I would like what Telfar built without

1205
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:22,760
Speaker 3: retail is what I was telling lu Kwan. Focus on production.

1206
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:26,919
Speaker 3: Manufacturing all of those things. You're chasing retail that has

1207
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:31,240
Speaker 3: the ability to destroy your business, and yeah, you'll get there,

1208
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 3: but you have a community and a culture that has

1209
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:37,800
Speaker 3: your back and that will show up for you. And

1210
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:40,120
Speaker 3: that's the thing, right, It's like we will ride a

1211
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:44,880
Speaker 3: dawn for designers, you know, in the beginning. But like

1212
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:47,280
Speaker 3: the young lady said, it's like as soon as that,

1213
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:51,600
Speaker 3: there's no grace for it. And but we've always been

1214
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:55,640
Speaker 3: held to higher standards where we don't we have to

1215
00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:58,960
Speaker 3: work harder as black people. We don't not afford the

1216
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:04,880
Speaker 3: same opportunities they The discrimination is and I'm speaking about

1217
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:11,480
Speaker 3: the discrimination from the access perspective in terms of supply chain,

1218
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:14,760
Speaker 3: so in terms of factors that you would need, it's

1219
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:17,720
Speaker 3: a fund to get get the product made, you know,

1220
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:20,520
Speaker 3: being able to get that factor to to you know,

1221
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:22,560
Speaker 3: to give you that money so that you can produce

1222
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:26,560
Speaker 3: the collections. It's always a challenge for black designers. Sometimes

1223
00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:29,920
Speaker 3: they have to take off seasons, sometimes they go away,

1224
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:31,480
Speaker 3: they just lose steam.

1225
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:32,080
Speaker 2: They just can't.

1226
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:36,960
Speaker 3: It's just so heartbreaking. They sacrifice so much when others

1227
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:40,480
Speaker 3: and it's all it's all financing. It's all about money,

1228
00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:42,640
Speaker 3: So if something's late, it's because they couldn't have you know,

1229
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:46,560
Speaker 3: it's it's access and financing, and it's so frustrating. So

1230
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:49,120
Speaker 3: it's like, but all of these companies that really want

1231
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:52,600
Speaker 3: to support merging designers, that's kind of like the thing

1232
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:55,520
Speaker 3: that needs to take priority is making sure that they

1233
00:58:55,560 --> 00:59:00,120
Speaker 3: have sustainable partners in manufacturing and production that back.

1234
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:03,200
Speaker 2: End up the business is so key, you know.

1235
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:07,040
Speaker 3: And for me, like why I've done partnerships more so

1236
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:11,560
Speaker 3: than put out my own product, it's because that financial

1237
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:16,040
Speaker 3: exposure is heavy and I wasn't willing to take that

1238
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:18,280
Speaker 3: risk for that very reason.

1239
00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:21,200
Speaker 2: I still have my June and Brose glasses. I still

1240
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:22,920
Speaker 2: have them in my closet and I still wear them

1241
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:24,520
Speaker 2: all the time. They're still selling too.

1242
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:30,920
Speaker 1: Maybe like I don't like a month ago, I will

1243
00:59:31,080 --> 00:59:33,800
Speaker 1: bust out there. I have a brown pair the Square ones.

1244
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:36,640
Speaker 2: And I saw Joe. I saw Joe and those glasses

1245
00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 2: a fire.

1246
00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:39,320
Speaker 1: Oh, I love it Classic.

1247
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:42,200
Speaker 2: Joe because Joe said it bestes today's price. It's not

1248
00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:46,880
Speaker 2: today's express. Still he's an icon, He's for sure.

1249
00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:47,920
Speaker 3: Wow.

1250
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:49,400
Speaker 2: That was a great question, by the way, it was

1251
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:51,040
Speaker 2: a really great question. I think I did.

1252
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:53,120
Speaker 1: I answered I think, so you know what I would

1253
00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:55,200
Speaker 1: like to know, Like I love the story you tell

1254
00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:58,640
Speaker 1: about going to on the run and how J and

1255
00:59:58,680 --> 01:00:00,720
Speaker 1: B are the perfect people for you to be around

1256
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:03,640
Speaker 1: in that time. Because this is in real life, and

1257
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:06,000
Speaker 1: we hear the stories of how you dressed Missy in

1258
01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:09,440
Speaker 1: that iconic video or Buster in that iconic video. I

1259
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:12,880
Speaker 1: wonder if you could share some of like your real

1260
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:16,280
Speaker 1: life connection or real life moments that come to you

1261
01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:19,240
Speaker 1: from some of these people, Like I don't know, we

1262
01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:20,320
Speaker 1: can pick, we can pick.

1263
01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:23,480
Speaker 4: You're gonna say it out.

1264
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:25,960
Speaker 2: I was gonna tell you artists that you've worked with,

1265
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:29,520
Speaker 2: and it's like a real life experience. There's always real

1266
01:00:29,560 --> 01:00:34,920
Speaker 2: life experiences because say, let's say what you have Mariah carry?

1267
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:36,320
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, So.

1268
01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:41,720
Speaker 3: Mariah hates like wearing bags, so she doesn't carry a bag,

1269
01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:44,080
Speaker 3: doesn't you. So I came, I came in on the

1270
01:00:44,120 --> 01:00:49,720
Speaker 3: emancipation of Mimi, and you know she also hates drying

1271
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:54,840
Speaker 3: on clothes, so I literally heart I literally the way

1272
01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:57,120
Speaker 3: I would get her to wear something is to put

1273
01:00:57,120 --> 01:00:58,640
Speaker 3: it on and walk into the room.

1274
01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:04,560
Speaker 2: She'd be like take it off, that's.

1275
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:08,240
Speaker 3: Good, you know, or like and like like the kaftan,

1276
01:01:08,560 --> 01:01:10,720
Speaker 3: like the Tory birdch calf Tan. What people thought was

1277
01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:12,560
Speaker 3: address was a klftan. We made it into a dress

1278
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:14,040
Speaker 3: like I understood her.

1279
01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:14,400
Speaker 8: Right.

1280
01:01:14,560 --> 01:01:15,600
Speaker 2: So it's like, because.

1281
01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:17,000
Speaker 1: That's what it would take, it would take you because

1282
01:01:17,360 --> 01:01:20,320
Speaker 1: some people could be taken back by that or you know,

1283
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:23,600
Speaker 1: I would be like, yeah, I'd be like because no,

1284
01:01:23,720 --> 01:01:28,080
Speaker 1: because having female experiences is so different from your experience

1285
01:01:28,080 --> 01:01:28,880
Speaker 1: with a male client.

1286
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:32,080
Speaker 2: Some girls can handle me, and some girls can just

1287
01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:33,080
Speaker 2: be like I just.

1288
01:01:33,040 --> 01:01:36,360
Speaker 3: Go away, right, just like go away. So you know,

1289
01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:40,480
Speaker 3: but you know, like true like girls that are like

1290
01:01:40,560 --> 01:01:43,360
Speaker 3: super like confident and just I just think I'm the

1291
01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:46,240
Speaker 3: funniest thing. They get it, you know, they don't. They're

1292
01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:48,840
Speaker 3: not bothered by me. I can name a number of those,

1293
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:52,920
Speaker 3: those those women. But another like thing with Mariah, we

1294
01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:55,120
Speaker 3: would always, like you, I would always role play with her.

1295
01:01:55,160 --> 01:02:02,320
Speaker 3: We would literally just do movie quotes all day, Mommy

1296
01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:05,520
Speaker 3: Daris or clueless, like literally that's how we would speak

1297
01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:08,800
Speaker 3: to each other. It was not even like a real conversation.

1298
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:11,240
Speaker 2: Moving quotes. That's pretty good. So that's a great one,

1299
01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:15,200
Speaker 2: all right, bust a rhyme? Oh my god, so many

1300
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:15,920
Speaker 2: too many?

1301
01:02:16,600 --> 01:02:16,760
Speaker 4: Oh?

1302
01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:21,600
Speaker 3: First, okay, first of all, like kudos to Like you

1303
01:02:21,640 --> 01:02:23,480
Speaker 3: think about you looking at Harry Styles.

1304
01:02:23,160 --> 01:02:24,760
Speaker 2: Now and you're like, oh, this cross dressing is so

1305
01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:27,480
Speaker 2: like he does it so, but Buster was I had

1306
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:28,440
Speaker 2: put Buster in.

1307
01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:31,560
Speaker 3: He was wearing halters and shipped back then and the

1308
01:02:31,600 --> 01:02:35,880
Speaker 3: most feminine cuts ever. You know, he's so masculine wrapping

1309
01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:39,680
Speaker 3: its head up in turbans and yeah, and and you know,

1310
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:43,000
Speaker 3: and covering timberland boots. I was custom designing timberlands, like

1311
01:02:43,080 --> 01:02:46,960
Speaker 3: literally covering them with like fabulous expensive fabrics, Indian fabrics

1312
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:48,880
Speaker 3: and stuff like that made him the royal Sultan of

1313
01:02:48,960 --> 01:02:49,640
Speaker 3: hip hop.

1314
01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:50,320
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.

1315
01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:56,200
Speaker 3: Like he was always like he was the vest like

1316
01:02:56,240 --> 01:02:58,320
Speaker 3: he's he's still the vests like he's just he was

1317
01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:00,760
Speaker 3: down for it. He was down for for it, like

1318
01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:04,479
Speaker 3: every set that we ever did, the bust around Jenna

1319
01:03:04,560 --> 01:03:07,560
Speaker 3: Jackson music video, like you know, he was down for

1320
01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:10,040
Speaker 3: us putting multiple pieces on it, sitting in prosthetics.

1321
01:03:10,080 --> 01:03:11,439
Speaker 2: I made him a muscle suit before.

1322
01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:14,840
Speaker 3: I mean, like I can name the amount of outrageousness

1323
01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:17,960
Speaker 3: that I've done with Bussa that he literally.

1324
01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:22,720
Speaker 2: Still to this day. I mean, no regrets. I love that,

1325
01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:23,400
Speaker 2: no regrets.

1326
01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:25,840
Speaker 3: I don't think that he feels like he can have

1327
01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:29,600
Speaker 3: he has the license to be is we're like a wholter.

1328
01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:29,880
Speaker 1: Now.

1329
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:35,960
Speaker 2: I don't think his body's changed, but no, I don't know.

1330
01:03:36,040 --> 01:03:36,600
Speaker 2: I don't whatever.

1331
01:03:36,920 --> 01:03:38,960
Speaker 3: We're friends and we say in time, she's great, and

1332
01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:41,560
Speaker 3: I consulted me, calls me, need something like what do

1333
01:03:41,560 --> 01:03:42,200
Speaker 3: you think about this?

1334
01:03:42,320 --> 01:03:45,760
Speaker 2: I'm like perfect, Yeah, I'm like yeah, I want to

1335
01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:51,760
Speaker 2: speed down Missy Elliott. Yeah, it's my sister in my heart.

1336
01:03:51,880 --> 01:03:57,200
Speaker 3: Yeah she I mean, we just set that tour together, so,

1337
01:03:57,360 --> 01:03:59,680
Speaker 3: you know, Missy. People don't realize Missy's never been on

1338
01:03:59,720 --> 01:04:01,560
Speaker 3: tour in her career.

1339
01:04:02,080 --> 01:04:04,000
Speaker 2: Her headlined her own tour. Oh that's right.

1340
01:04:04,040 --> 01:04:04,680
Speaker 4: This was the first.

1341
01:04:04,680 --> 01:04:07,600
Speaker 2: That's crazy. This was the first of this world was

1342
01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:12,600
Speaker 2: this first. And she came to me and I, you know,

1343
01:04:12,760 --> 01:04:13,919
Speaker 2: I don't take that.

1344
01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:18,480
Speaker 3: Lightly because she could have very well collaborated with a

1345
01:04:18,520 --> 01:04:22,960
Speaker 3: big fashion house, but she entrusted that in me, you know,

1346
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:26,720
Speaker 3: in me, and and.

1347
01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:28,000
Speaker 2: That to me was such.

1348
01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:34,040
Speaker 3: A testament of her character, her understanding and respect for

1349
01:04:34,080 --> 01:04:38,720
Speaker 3: the collaboration early for the Yeah, it's just like, I

1350
01:04:38,800 --> 01:04:42,040
Speaker 3: you know, it just makes me emotional that after all

1351
01:04:42,080 --> 01:04:44,920
Speaker 3: these years and there's so many distractions and people that

1352
01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:49,160
Speaker 3: she could, like I said, have worked with that. She

1353
01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:54,480
Speaker 3: allowed the universe to.

1354
01:04:52,080 --> 01:04:55,280
Speaker 2: To work with her on that. Thank you. We had

1355
01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:57,120
Speaker 2: a good time on that tour. We had some fun.

1356
01:04:57,400 --> 01:04:59,080
Speaker 4: My girl, Mary J Blige, oh.

1357
01:05:00,120 --> 01:05:04,480
Speaker 2: Thinks I'm batchit craization. Every time very see me, she

1358
01:05:04,520 --> 01:05:05,160
Speaker 2: goes girl.

1359
01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:11,600
Speaker 3: Well she gets to me though she'd been like you

1360
01:05:11,600 --> 01:05:15,160
Speaker 3: you know you like you know Mary like like like

1361
01:05:15,200 --> 01:05:17,480
Speaker 3: I said, I think the best interview I've seen on

1362
01:05:17,600 --> 01:05:19,880
Speaker 3: Mary and Forever was the one where she sat and

1363
01:05:19,920 --> 01:05:26,640
Speaker 3: talked to you. Because for Mary, energy and authenticity and

1364
01:05:26,720 --> 01:05:31,280
Speaker 3: real talk and real like is paramount. And she could

1365
01:05:31,320 --> 01:05:34,800
Speaker 3: smell when you being a fake bitch and I love

1366
01:05:34,800 --> 01:05:37,200
Speaker 3: her for that. You know, she'll come in and she'll

1367
01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:39,640
Speaker 3: she'll read the room quick. Mary come in with attitude,

1368
01:05:39,680 --> 01:05:42,680
Speaker 3: she said, hate you like you know, because she knows,

1369
01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:45,439
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like I'm only gonna show

1370
01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:48,760
Speaker 3: up as who I am. And I love and respect

1371
01:05:48,760 --> 01:05:50,760
Speaker 3: her so much. And every time I've worked with Mary,

1372
01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:53,880
Speaker 3: we have giggled and had a good time. She thinks,

1373
01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:57,600
Speaker 3: so she thinks she thinks I'm nuts. But you know what,

1374
01:05:57,640 --> 01:06:01,440
Speaker 3: it's interesting when you say, sometimes when you're in a

1375
01:06:01,480 --> 01:06:05,400
Speaker 3: service business and you've kind of you know you said

1376
01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:07,760
Speaker 3: I managed to kind of be able to live in

1377
01:06:07,800 --> 01:06:12,400
Speaker 3: those two worlds, right, Like artists like Mary respect and

1378
01:06:12,440 --> 01:06:16,240
Speaker 3: sees and recognizes that to where she like come in

1379
01:06:16,280 --> 01:06:18,360
Speaker 3: my video, Like we could be girlfriends and I'm like

1380
01:06:18,440 --> 01:06:20,400
Speaker 3: in the music video with her, starring in the video

1381
01:06:20,400 --> 01:06:23,720
Speaker 3: with them, whereas like another artist, you're like, you're the help.

1382
01:06:23,840 --> 01:06:25,400
Speaker 3: You're not going to be in my music video as

1383
01:06:25,400 --> 01:06:28,120
Speaker 3: a girlfriend. We're walking down the hallway together, Like she

1384
01:06:28,280 --> 01:06:32,600
Speaker 3: has that like reels and daya kind of relationship with her,

1385
01:06:32,680 --> 01:06:34,400
Speaker 3: you know, with her stylist.

1386
01:06:34,040 --> 01:06:34,640
Speaker 2: Kind of energy.

1387
01:06:35,120 --> 01:06:37,400
Speaker 3: And I thought that was like they said a lot

1388
01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:41,720
Speaker 3: about like who she was and her confidence as a woman.

1389
01:06:42,200 --> 01:06:44,600
Speaker 4: I love that she's the best, right, the best?

1390
01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:47,440
Speaker 1: You did, Like I know you worked with Puff for

1391
01:06:47,480 --> 01:06:47,919
Speaker 1: many years.

1392
01:06:48,040 --> 01:06:48,760
Speaker 4: Yeah bad boy.

1393
01:06:48,920 --> 01:06:51,760
Speaker 2: Yeah what about the guys, Like yeah, what about them?

1394
01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:53,120
Speaker 4: Completely?

1395
01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:57,200
Speaker 3: Like you know that the dynamic between like male artist

1396
01:06:57,320 --> 01:07:03,400
Speaker 3: is like that safe place that trusted, you know, places

1397
01:07:03,400 --> 01:07:04,680
Speaker 3: like getting a prostate exam.

1398
01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:10,240
Speaker 2: You know, it's like it's a good scenario and it's

1399
01:07:10,280 --> 01:07:13,400
Speaker 2: like no, but it's like you know, it's intimidating again

1400
01:07:13,800 --> 01:07:15,600
Speaker 2: to work with. Like I'm a very.

1401
01:07:16,960 --> 01:07:20,200
Speaker 3: I'm a very strong communicator when it comes to like

1402
01:07:20,680 --> 01:07:23,919
Speaker 3: with men, I present differently from the girls you do. Yeah, yeah,

1403
01:07:24,080 --> 01:07:27,640
Speaker 3: it's a different character, but it's always a place of.

1404
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:33,120
Speaker 2: You don't have to pretend with me, you know, we

1405
01:07:33,160 --> 01:07:36,960
Speaker 2: could just and also so it's important that with men

1406
01:07:37,000 --> 01:07:40,920
Speaker 2: that you really they have to be in the driver's

1407
01:07:40,920 --> 01:07:42,000
Speaker 2: seat in a way.

1408
01:07:42,040 --> 01:07:44,440
Speaker 3: It's such a vulnerable place, you know. It's like, you know,

1409
01:07:44,920 --> 01:07:46,280
Speaker 3: it's just a different dynamic.

1410
01:07:46,560 --> 01:07:50,640
Speaker 5: H different would imagine right, oh yeah, but he's greatly

1411
01:07:50,720 --> 01:07:53,240
Speaker 5: and he's like you know, like he is the epitome

1412
01:07:53,400 --> 01:07:56,800
Speaker 5: of effortless, like the sweat, Like we're at the point

1413
01:07:56,800 --> 01:07:57,960
Speaker 5: it's like thirty years later.

1414
01:07:58,200 --> 01:08:01,640
Speaker 2: It's not even he styles himself.

1415
01:08:01,800 --> 01:08:02,240
Speaker 4: He does.

1416
01:08:02,600 --> 01:08:05,040
Speaker 3: Yes, it's it's like we just hang out, you know

1417
01:08:05,080 --> 01:08:08,240
Speaker 3: what I mean, Like, yeah, he just he's an icon.

1418
01:08:08,560 --> 01:08:11,840
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, the work, the work is, he's an icon

1419
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:14,920
Speaker 3: like he it doesn't matter. We could be a t

1420
01:08:15,080 --> 01:08:15,800
Speaker 3: could be a T shirt.

1421
01:08:15,880 --> 01:08:17,839
Speaker 2: We have fun. It's like not it's not work.

1422
01:08:17,880 --> 01:08:18,719
Speaker 4: It's not pressure.

1423
01:08:20,120 --> 01:08:21,880
Speaker 1: Just you know, it's like if I want it, Like

1424
01:08:21,920 --> 01:08:24,200
Speaker 1: what is he like or not? Like like, oh, he's

1425
01:08:24,280 --> 01:08:25,160
Speaker 1: have to grow into that too.

1426
01:08:25,160 --> 01:08:27,200
Speaker 2: I would imagine he wasn't like I still challenge and

1427
01:08:27,200 --> 01:08:29,639
Speaker 2: push him a certain things you do. Yeah, it's important

1428
01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:33,000
Speaker 2: because you know we're evolving. Yeah, you know, we have

1429
01:08:33,080 --> 01:08:35,160
Speaker 2: to try to. Have you ever pissed him off?

1430
01:08:35,160 --> 01:08:37,519
Speaker 1: Have you ever made him wear something and then he did.

1431
01:08:37,439 --> 01:08:38,920
Speaker 4: Not appreciate it after?

1432
01:08:39,439 --> 01:08:42,120
Speaker 2: It was like that didn't work? And does that have happened?

1433
01:08:43,160 --> 01:08:45,200
Speaker 3: Maybe on my end, I might have noticed it it was,

1434
01:08:45,840 --> 01:08:50,559
Speaker 3: But no, I don't think. Yeah, just off now, we

1435
01:08:50,600 --> 01:08:52,240
Speaker 3: don't even go there if it doesn't.

1436
01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:54,880
Speaker 2: Feel good, He's just onto the next. Yeah, it's not

1437
01:08:54,960 --> 01:08:55,439
Speaker 2: worth it.

1438
01:08:55,520 --> 01:08:59,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, it's like he's he's too seasoned. Yeah,

1439
01:08:59,640 --> 01:09:02,720
Speaker 3: you know, it's like it's different than working with a

1440
01:09:02,760 --> 01:09:03,720
Speaker 3: new artist.

1441
01:09:03,479 --> 01:09:05,320
Speaker 1: Versus like, you know, is he the only one that

1442
01:09:05,360 --> 01:09:08,240
Speaker 1: you've been with from the beginning and he's my.

1443
01:09:08,360 --> 01:09:10,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's like I think he's my only only guy.

1444
01:09:11,320 --> 01:09:11,559
Speaker 2: I don't.

1445
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:14,439
Speaker 3: I'm like retired in a sense, like I focus more

1446
01:09:14,479 --> 01:09:17,800
Speaker 3: on a design creative direction. Not to say that I

1447
01:09:17,840 --> 01:09:20,960
Speaker 3: wouldn't do like I love I still love music video.

1448
01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:24,720
Speaker 3: I still love creative like projects like you know, like

1449
01:09:24,880 --> 01:09:26,240
Speaker 3: campaigns and all that kind of stuff.

1450
01:09:26,280 --> 01:09:27,000
Speaker 2: I love that stuff.

1451
01:09:27,840 --> 01:09:29,760
Speaker 4: But you keep him as a client still.

1452
01:09:29,560 --> 01:09:33,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's yeah forever, I don't where we're gonna go

1453
01:09:34,040 --> 01:09:34,720
Speaker 3: like it's like.

1454
01:09:36,800 --> 01:09:39,960
Speaker 2: I think it's I mean, nothing's forever, but it's forever

1455
01:09:39,960 --> 01:09:40,400
Speaker 2: in my head.

1456
01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:43,240
Speaker 1: I love Yeah, And why June, have you.

1457
01:09:43,200 --> 01:09:43,880
Speaker 4: Not been invited to?

1458
01:09:44,080 --> 01:09:44,160
Speaker 3: No?

1459
01:09:44,240 --> 01:09:47,160
Speaker 2: We had conversation on the cut and everyone got very

1460
01:09:47,479 --> 01:09:51,320
Speaker 2: not the cut. Why you gotta set on complex? Why

1461
01:09:51,360 --> 01:09:55,200
Speaker 2: are they like you so like you were complaining? He

1462
01:09:55,400 --> 01:09:58,400
Speaker 2: was like, it's embarrassing because he was like, I don't

1463
01:09:58,439 --> 01:10:00,759
Speaker 2: really care. Here's the question, the truth, right question.

1464
01:10:01,000 --> 01:10:03,839
Speaker 1: Do you think it should be invited to the Red Galleries?

1465
01:10:03,880 --> 01:10:05,920
Speaker 2: Or am I spending what.

1466
01:10:10,360 --> 01:10:14,120
Speaker 3: My mother always said, invited guests get cheated the best

1467
01:10:14,200 --> 01:10:15,160
Speaker 3: I've been, I've been.

1468
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:18,000
Speaker 2: I've been. I don't know if I was invited though,

1469
01:10:18,479 --> 01:10:21,040
Speaker 2: but you've been I've been years and years and years ago.

1470
01:10:24,760 --> 01:10:25,320
Speaker 2: Do I care?

1471
01:10:25,680 --> 01:10:27,160
Speaker 4: Do you care that you?

1472
01:10:27,280 --> 01:10:35,759
Speaker 2: Oh no, because it's a fundraiser? No, I don't. Actually

1473
01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:38,439
Speaker 2: you're thinking about your husband's voice and no, I know.

1474
01:10:39,240 --> 01:10:42,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, I'm I think, I'm so, I'm thinking,

1475
01:10:42,840 --> 01:10:45,559
Speaker 3: I am so pass it. I recognize what it is.

1476
01:10:46,040 --> 01:10:47,440
Speaker 3: They raised a lot of money.

1477
01:10:47,160 --> 01:10:48,920
Speaker 1: For the you to how many people have you gotten

1478
01:10:48,920 --> 01:10:49,920
Speaker 1: ready for the met gala?

1479
01:10:50,200 --> 01:10:50,400
Speaker 4: Oh?

1480
01:10:50,479 --> 01:10:52,000
Speaker 2: Not a lot? Really my thing?

1481
01:10:52,320 --> 01:10:52,559
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1482
01:10:52,720 --> 01:10:53,240
Speaker 2: Not a lot?

1483
01:10:54,040 --> 01:10:55,679
Speaker 4: No, No, have you done.

1484
01:10:55,479 --> 01:10:58,519
Speaker 3: It, I mean I did, oh yeah, but we don't

1485
01:10:58,520 --> 01:11:00,000
Speaker 3: if you bring that up there we have talking about

1486
01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:02,720
Speaker 3: the last time he was seeing was that that was

1487
01:11:02,760 --> 01:11:06,840
Speaker 3: the look the dark Vader that was I did Puff for.

1488
01:11:06,760 --> 01:11:10,280
Speaker 4: The Yes and the all black Oh.

1489
01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:10,599
Speaker 2: Yeah design that look?

1490
01:11:10,680 --> 01:11:12,439
Speaker 4: Does that make you feel looking back at that look?

1491
01:11:13,520 --> 01:11:17,880
Speaker 2: It was appropriate? H yeah, it was It was appropriate?

1492
01:11:19,360 --> 01:11:19,599
Speaker 4: Wow?

1493
01:11:19,640 --> 01:11:23,880
Speaker 3: Didn't you think about it? Those black roses and the darkness?

1494
01:11:25,080 --> 01:11:29,400
Speaker 2: Wow? Yeah? And that was the picture that ran everywhere.

1495
01:11:31,680 --> 01:11:34,800
Speaker 2: There's so much heartbreak they had, heartbreaking that I know,

1496
01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:36,840
Speaker 2: disappointment and disappointment.

1497
01:11:37,880 --> 01:11:39,960
Speaker 3: I don't want to have to not talk about the

1498
01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:41,720
Speaker 3: great things that I worked on and did.

1499
01:11:42,120 --> 01:11:43,519
Speaker 4: Yes, it's really annoying.

1500
01:11:44,160 --> 01:11:47,200
Speaker 3: That is annoying because there's so many iconic moments and

1501
01:11:48,040 --> 01:11:49,920
Speaker 3: you've ruined it for everyone that.

1502
01:11:49,960 --> 01:11:55,599
Speaker 1: Was involved when something happens like that. Even listening with Puff,

1503
01:11:55,640 --> 01:11:57,840
Speaker 1: it's like the artists that you know, I had one

1504
01:11:57,920 --> 01:12:00,240
Speaker 1: twelve and a total. They were on tour and came

1505
01:12:00,280 --> 01:12:03,760
Speaker 1: on the show and I couldn't talk to them about it.

1506
01:12:03,800 --> 01:12:07,519
Speaker 1: They spoke about it very lightly and carefully because it's

1507
01:12:07,560 --> 01:12:09,920
Speaker 1: not their burden to carry. It's not your burden.

1508
01:12:09,960 --> 01:12:12,720
Speaker 2: That's very but part of your history you've do is

1509
01:12:13,400 --> 01:12:15,400
Speaker 2: it's like, so what you're supposed to act like you

1510
01:12:15,400 --> 01:12:18,280
Speaker 2: didn't do great things with that? And when the Cosmic

1511
01:12:18,280 --> 01:12:20,320
Speaker 2: Show gets canceled, so we don't get this. We love

1512
01:12:20,400 --> 01:12:23,519
Speaker 2: the College Show because that guy the one guy.

1513
01:12:23,720 --> 01:12:25,280
Speaker 3: I mean, if people really go back and look at

1514
01:12:25,320 --> 01:12:29,080
Speaker 3: my resume and my discography, I I've done some. Yeah,

1515
01:12:29,120 --> 01:12:31,680
Speaker 3: there's a lot of things that I don't talk about,

1516
01:12:32,120 --> 01:12:36,880
Speaker 3: big music videos, groundbreaking and because the muse is you know,

1517
01:12:37,040 --> 01:12:40,799
Speaker 3: has been exiled into life and prison and stuff.

1518
01:12:40,840 --> 01:12:42,040
Speaker 2: It's just how do you feel about it?

1519
01:12:42,040 --> 01:12:44,200
Speaker 4: Make you said or it makes me?

1520
01:12:44,360 --> 01:12:49,760
Speaker 3: It's culturally, it's it's doesn't do it.

1521
01:12:49,760 --> 01:12:51,000
Speaker 2: It does not good for the culture.

1522
01:12:51,640 --> 01:12:54,439
Speaker 3: It's not good for How does it serve any of

1523
01:12:54,520 --> 01:12:58,120
Speaker 3: us to not and to to to celebrate what, you know,

1524
01:12:58,200 --> 01:13:00,920
Speaker 3: the downfall of it, to to not all just be

1525
01:13:01,600 --> 01:13:03,880
Speaker 3: disappointed and discussed it.

1526
01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:08,080
Speaker 2: It's like, how do we not how are we not

1527
01:13:08,200 --> 01:13:09,040
Speaker 2: sad behind that?

1528
01:13:11,720 --> 01:13:14,080
Speaker 3: Like you're outraged by like the acts, right, but like

1529
01:13:14,960 --> 01:13:19,840
Speaker 3: we know we've seen this chaos before, but to be

1530
01:13:19,960 --> 01:13:23,920
Speaker 3: so close to it is really heartbreaking because some of

1531
01:13:23,960 --> 01:13:27,160
Speaker 3: it you didn't see that side you know you didn't

1532
01:13:27,360 --> 01:13:31,120
Speaker 3: And it's like the fact that you were held to

1533
01:13:31,160 --> 01:13:34,000
Speaker 3: different regards. Then you start to feel like.

1534
01:13:34,520 --> 01:13:35,720
Speaker 4: Because you never felt.

1535
01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:43,320
Speaker 3: Right, there probably been a hospitalization. I mean no, I

1536
01:13:43,320 --> 01:13:46,519
Speaker 3: mean it's just you know, Angie, we've grown up around

1537
01:13:46,520 --> 01:13:49,360
Speaker 3: the guys. I mean, but we were held different, we

1538
01:13:49,360 --> 01:13:52,080
Speaker 3: were held we dealt with differently. And it's I don't

1539
01:13:52,120 --> 01:13:54,479
Speaker 3: know what it is about us, but because I'm not

1540
01:13:55,760 --> 01:13:56,360
Speaker 3: we're doing that.

1541
01:13:56,479 --> 01:13:59,280
Speaker 2: We're not. That's not And it's like you raise your voice.

1542
01:13:59,800 --> 01:14:02,479
Speaker 2: I like, my mom didn't yell at me. I didn't

1543
01:14:02,520 --> 01:14:04,920
Speaker 2: grow up in that kind of home. So and I

1544
01:14:04,960 --> 01:14:09,280
Speaker 2: know that hurt people, hurt people. So my the way

1545
01:14:09,320 --> 01:14:13,439
Speaker 2: I dealt with people that were acting out, it was

1546
01:14:13,439 --> 01:14:16,160
Speaker 2: in a a in a in a very because like

1547
01:14:16,160 --> 01:14:18,760
Speaker 2: you said, you recognize I'm empathic in that way, and

1548
01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:25,800
Speaker 2: I'm able to really shift energy and make people feel

1549
01:14:25,840 --> 01:14:29,000
Speaker 2: safe that they don't have to perform when they're within

1550
01:14:29,479 --> 01:14:34,320
Speaker 2: our pri in our sacred space. You don't have to

1551
01:14:34,360 --> 01:14:36,800
Speaker 2: perform for me. This is just this is just us.

1552
01:14:37,560 --> 01:14:40,439
Speaker 2: And I see you, I see how I see you.

1553
01:14:40,600 --> 01:14:45,120
Speaker 2: I see how we managed personalities. We manage all types

1554
01:14:45,160 --> 01:14:47,519
Speaker 2: of characters.

1555
01:14:47,720 --> 01:14:50,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, but they're constant. Like I said, early

1556
01:14:50,840 --> 01:14:53,800
Speaker 3: in my life, I knew there were consequences to actions,

1557
01:14:54,720 --> 01:14:59,280
Speaker 3: and and to every action there's a consequence good or bad.

1558
01:14:59,520 --> 01:15:01,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, affect you though, to your history and all.

1559
01:15:02,080 --> 01:15:03,320
Speaker 4: Yes. Yeah, so it's like.

1560
01:15:03,320 --> 01:15:05,000
Speaker 1: That part that that parts of drag.

1561
01:15:05,520 --> 01:15:07,439
Speaker 3: But you know the mat Gala is going to be

1562
01:15:07,520 --> 01:15:10,479
Speaker 3: really exciting this year because Beyonce is Yeah, so how

1563
01:15:10,479 --> 01:15:13,679
Speaker 3: does that shift? I mean, doesn't expect me, I don't stop,

1564
01:15:14,360 --> 01:15:16,559
Speaker 3: I know, but like just her being part of that,

1565
01:15:16,640 --> 01:15:17,120
Speaker 3: I don't.

1566
01:15:16,920 --> 01:15:17,799
Speaker 2: Know, it's exciting.

1567
01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:19,439
Speaker 3: I mean, she hasn't been in a while, so she

1568
01:15:19,439 --> 01:15:22,160
Speaker 3: always brings excitement. She's like it's like, you know, when

1569
01:15:22,240 --> 01:15:24,360
Speaker 3: Rihanna started going to the met we were like, we

1570
01:15:24,400 --> 01:15:25,439
Speaker 3: will wait to see what.

1571
01:15:25,560 --> 01:15:27,479
Speaker 2: You know, Rihanna would come with it the end, like the.

1572
01:15:27,479 --> 01:15:29,720
Speaker 1: Carpet be closed and Rihanno'll show up me too.

1573
01:15:29,920 --> 01:15:34,520
Speaker 2: Yeah that's long. That's what I'm saying. So you know she's.

1574
01:15:34,479 --> 01:15:37,200
Speaker 1: We're but her cheering it does that mean anything?

1575
01:15:37,240 --> 01:15:37,439
Speaker 4: Is that?

1576
01:15:37,479 --> 01:15:38,679
Speaker 2: I don't really know what that means.

1577
01:15:38,760 --> 01:15:41,840
Speaker 3: I know that recently they just I don't know what

1578
01:15:41,880 --> 01:15:43,559
Speaker 3: that means, what that responsibility might mean.

1579
01:15:44,640 --> 01:15:46,080
Speaker 4: But maybe you'll get an invite this year.

1580
01:15:46,439 --> 01:15:49,240
Speaker 2: Anna's still controls. Oh yes, okay.

1581
01:15:48,960 --> 01:15:49,559
Speaker 4: Let us not.

1582
01:15:52,280 --> 01:15:57,880
Speaker 2: Now Anna, come on now, Anna, it's my daughter's name

1583
01:15:57,920 --> 01:16:00,000
Speaker 2: is Summer, so we love the summer.

1584
01:16:02,720 --> 01:16:03,120
Speaker 4: Right there.

1585
01:16:03,240 --> 01:16:05,280
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Speaker 1: All right, so this is our iron ball of questions

1600
01:16:44,160 --> 01:16:45,160
Speaker 1: of real life questions.

1601
01:16:45,200 --> 01:16:47,480
Speaker 2: Oh my god, it's so intimidating.

1602
01:16:48,120 --> 01:16:52,640
Speaker 1: No, I pick, yeah, you pick whatever you like.

1603
01:16:54,080 --> 01:16:58,680
Speaker 2: If you could instantly master any skill, what would it be? Ooh,

1604
01:16:59,160 --> 01:17:00,960
Speaker 2: it's in your hat. Hey, the thing is in your hat.

1605
01:17:01,640 --> 01:17:06,120
Speaker 2: The paper is in your hat when your hat's too big.

1606
01:17:06,920 --> 01:17:10,559
Speaker 2: If you can instant master any skill, what would it be?

1607
01:17:10,800 --> 01:17:19,640
Speaker 2: Yeah that no no, no, no, yeah.

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01:17:19,439 --> 01:17:19,679
Speaker 1: No.

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01:17:21,720 --> 01:17:22,400
Speaker 2: Any skill.

1610
01:17:24,360 --> 01:17:31,160
Speaker 3: Uh, sketching. I'm not a good sketcher. I sketch very loose.

1611
01:17:31,200 --> 01:17:33,680
Speaker 3: It's kindergarten but like real.

1612
01:17:33,680 --> 01:17:35,880
Speaker 1: So getting the idea out of your brain onto the

1613
01:17:35,880 --> 01:17:37,200
Speaker 1: paper it's sometimes hard.

1614
01:17:37,240 --> 01:17:41,240
Speaker 3: I would imagine if I thank God for technology because

1615
01:17:41,240 --> 01:17:42,920
Speaker 3: I can now sketch through you.

1616
01:17:42,880 --> 01:17:46,360
Speaker 2: Know, to digital sketching. But yeah, okay, go for another one,

1617
01:17:46,640 --> 01:17:48,599
Speaker 2: give me three, Let's do three instantly?

1618
01:17:52,600 --> 01:17:59,439
Speaker 3: Oh oh, a prayer or affirmation you say often, oh God,

1619
01:18:00,360 --> 01:18:03,400
Speaker 3: it's almost a serenity prayer, you know. I always ask

1620
01:18:03,479 --> 01:18:05,080
Speaker 3: for God to give me grace, you know, for the

1621
01:18:05,120 --> 01:18:08,439
Speaker 3: things that I cannot dude, I mean, I'm sober drunk,

1622
01:18:08,439 --> 01:18:10,080
Speaker 3: so I don't even understand how.

1623
01:18:09,920 --> 01:18:10,280
Speaker 2: To say it.

1624
01:18:10,320 --> 01:18:13,559
Speaker 3: But yeah, I always literally constantly say, you know what

1625
01:18:13,600 --> 01:18:15,200
Speaker 3: I don't get done today, I put off to tomorrow

1626
01:18:15,240 --> 01:18:16,599
Speaker 3: and give myself grace constantly.

1627
01:18:16,640 --> 01:18:21,439
Speaker 2: It's okay. I always affirm that it's okay, I'm enough,

1628
01:18:21,600 --> 01:18:24,320
Speaker 2: and it's okay, Yeah this didn't work out.

1629
01:18:24,360 --> 01:18:25,799
Speaker 4: That's how you hold on to that joy.

1630
01:18:25,960 --> 01:18:29,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm like it's okay. I'm like I take another one.

1631
01:18:29,960 --> 01:18:33,920
Speaker 1: Oh, and then I have a couple of year and

1632
01:18:33,960 --> 01:18:34,360
Speaker 1: then we're.

1633
01:18:34,320 --> 01:18:38,080
Speaker 2: Oh, you've got more. What have you always wanted to

1634
01:18:38,120 --> 01:18:38,960
Speaker 2: do but have it?

1635
01:18:39,000 --> 01:18:39,800
Speaker 4: Oh?

1636
01:18:40,240 --> 01:18:41,200
Speaker 2: Oh this is loaded.

1637
01:18:41,600 --> 01:18:44,400
Speaker 3: There's so many things because I'm like, I feel like,

1638
01:18:45,200 --> 01:18:46,639
Speaker 3: oh my god, I want to go to I want

1639
01:18:46,680 --> 01:18:47,960
Speaker 3: to go to India.

1640
01:18:48,240 --> 01:18:50,559
Speaker 2: I want to eat, love and pray. Oh my god,

1641
01:18:51,040 --> 01:18:54,040
Speaker 2: your outfits in India are going to be fire.

1642
01:18:54,439 --> 01:18:56,320
Speaker 3: India's on my buck list and I've traveled the world.

1643
01:18:56,840 --> 01:18:59,400
Speaker 3: India is I know you probably like why India?

1644
01:18:59,439 --> 01:19:01,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, India. No, I would totally love to go to

1645
01:19:01,360 --> 01:19:03,880
Speaker 2: India also. Yeah, oh and I want to see the

1646
01:19:03,920 --> 01:19:04,639
Speaker 2: northern lights.

1647
01:19:05,200 --> 01:19:06,479
Speaker 4: Yeah that's good too.

1648
01:19:07,320 --> 01:19:11,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, Junie June, I am no longer available for.

1649
01:19:17,160 --> 01:19:18,120
Speaker 4: Come on, you got it.

1650
01:19:18,200 --> 01:19:23,479
Speaker 2: I am no longer available for or brain picks.

1651
01:19:24,800 --> 01:19:27,320
Speaker 3: It's like with like it's like, I want to pick

1652
01:19:27,320 --> 01:19:29,920
Speaker 3: your brain. Okay, but how does that serve me? If

1653
01:19:29,960 --> 01:19:31,799
Speaker 3: you're just picking and not giving anything?

1654
01:19:33,200 --> 01:19:35,840
Speaker 2: I love that. Yeah, It's like, what are you giving me?

1655
01:19:36,360 --> 01:19:36,880
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1656
01:19:37,200 --> 01:19:40,599
Speaker 2: Click on something, you just pick, pick pick, I've given,

1657
01:19:41,040 --> 01:19:42,360
Speaker 2: I'm giving. I'm always give.

1658
01:19:42,439 --> 01:19:44,840
Speaker 1: We are giving for sure. And it takes a lot

1659
01:19:44,920 --> 01:19:47,120
Speaker 1: to have a brain worth picking. It takes a lot

1660
01:19:47,160 --> 01:19:49,320
Speaker 1: of effort and work you have to put into yourself

1661
01:19:49,360 --> 01:19:51,519
Speaker 1: to have a brain worth picking. So it's like, if

1662
01:19:51,880 --> 01:19:56,240
Speaker 1: I'm putting so much effort into doing this, what effort are.

1663
01:19:55,640 --> 01:20:01,720
Speaker 2: You brain by picking it? I know it sounds like

1664
01:20:01,800 --> 01:20:03,599
Speaker 2: probably is that rude when you say, like, how does.

1665
01:20:03,479 --> 01:20:03,920
Speaker 4: It serve me?

1666
01:20:04,120 --> 01:20:07,240
Speaker 3: I mean no, it's not it should I mean it

1667
01:20:07,240 --> 01:20:09,240
Speaker 3: doesn't mean that I don't give. I'm just saying like,

1668
01:20:09,640 --> 01:20:11,160
Speaker 3: you can't just keep picking my brain.

1669
01:20:11,240 --> 01:20:13,320
Speaker 1: Oh, I think it's important to give when you have

1670
01:20:13,560 --> 01:20:14,360
Speaker 1: something to give.

1671
01:20:14,479 --> 01:20:19,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm no longer available for people who don't see

1672
01:20:19,720 --> 01:20:21,400
Speaker 3: what I see in myself.

1673
01:20:22,760 --> 01:20:25,080
Speaker 4: And I only want to be value you.

1674
01:20:25,200 --> 01:20:27,840
Speaker 2: Yeah that's right. Yeah I heard you.

1675
01:20:28,280 --> 01:20:31,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, I felt that deep in my soul when I

1676
01:20:31,439 --> 01:20:33,640
Speaker 1: walk into a room. I want people to feel.

1677
01:20:36,200 --> 01:20:39,880
Speaker 3: Like they want to dance, don't want no, I want

1678
01:20:39,920 --> 01:20:41,840
Speaker 3: them to feel yeah, I want them to feel joy.

1679
01:20:41,960 --> 01:20:44,920
Speaker 3: I want them to feel like it's gonna be okay. Yeah,

1680
01:20:44,960 --> 01:20:47,280
Speaker 3: like whatever is going on in their world, Like I

1681
01:20:47,280 --> 01:20:51,480
Speaker 3: can just escape with this moment with June.

1682
01:20:51,720 --> 01:20:53,360
Speaker 4: What do you like most about yourself?

1683
01:20:53,439 --> 01:21:01,799
Speaker 3: June, No, I think my ability to see the best

1684
01:21:01,880 --> 01:21:05,200
Speaker 3: in people before I see the worst. I will always

1685
01:21:05,200 --> 01:21:08,880
Speaker 3: see the goodness first. I don't look for what could

1686
01:21:08,920 --> 01:21:10,559
Speaker 3: be wrong with you. I look for what is right

1687
01:21:10,600 --> 01:21:16,920
Speaker 3: about you. From inception, that's I think my one of

1688
01:21:16,920 --> 01:21:19,880
Speaker 3: my best attributes. And people always say, oh, you'll always

1689
01:21:19,880 --> 01:21:22,559
Speaker 3: see the good people, and yeah, people like that get

1690
01:21:22,600 --> 01:21:25,400
Speaker 3: taken advantage of. But I don't think it's being taken

1691
01:21:25,400 --> 01:21:29,679
Speaker 3: advantage of. I think it's you know, my mother always

1692
01:21:29,760 --> 01:21:33,000
Speaker 3: gave people grace when they wronged her, when they did

1693
01:21:33,040 --> 01:21:38,280
Speaker 3: things that made her cry. She was always really able

1694
01:21:38,360 --> 01:21:42,080
Speaker 3: to forgive and give them grace and always found a

1695
01:21:42,120 --> 01:21:43,519
Speaker 3: reason why they did what they did.

1696
01:21:44,400 --> 01:21:47,040
Speaker 2: And that is who I am.

1697
01:21:47,520 --> 01:21:49,559
Speaker 4: That's why I do. That's why I understand that completely.

1698
01:21:49,600 --> 01:21:53,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like I do understand that that personality does

1699
01:21:53,960 --> 01:21:56,760
Speaker 1: get taken advantage for sure. Yeah, so how do you

1700
01:21:56,760 --> 01:21:57,760
Speaker 1: protect yourself from that?

1701
01:22:00,720 --> 01:22:03,320
Speaker 3: You know, there is a grace of God. You know,

1702
01:22:03,400 --> 01:22:06,160
Speaker 3: there is some a higher power, thank God that I

1703
01:22:06,400 --> 01:22:08,840
Speaker 3: most things. I don't feel like I have to carry

1704
01:22:09,280 --> 01:22:11,760
Speaker 3: a lot of what this world has put on our

1705
01:22:11,800 --> 01:22:12,639
Speaker 3: backs to carry.

1706
01:22:13,120 --> 01:22:13,960
Speaker 2: Sometimes I just.

1707
01:22:15,120 --> 01:22:16,400
Speaker 4: Give it to God. Give it to God.

1708
01:22:17,240 --> 01:22:21,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, speaking of God, it's my favorite question in the bowl,

1709
01:22:21,640 --> 01:22:24,160
Speaker 2: and we will end with that one. If God would

1710
01:22:24,160 --> 01:22:30,320
Speaker 2: have text you right now, what would it say I've

1711
01:22:30,360 --> 01:22:31,040
Speaker 2: prepared you.

1712
01:22:32,479 --> 01:22:37,759
Speaker 10: I'm sorry, I have prepared you for everything that's coming

1713
01:22:37,800 --> 01:22:40,840
Speaker 10: your way and be still.

1714
01:22:44,320 --> 01:22:49,680
Speaker 2: In real life?

1715
01:22:50,160 --> 01:22:52,040
Speaker 1: How aboud that make you so emotional?

1716
01:22:53,600 --> 01:22:54,840
Speaker 4: Do so good?

1717
01:22:55,040 --> 01:22:57,559
Speaker 2: No, that's so good that question does it? I don't

1718
01:22:57,600 --> 01:22:59,040
Speaker 2: know what it is about that because it's like the

1719
01:22:59,080 --> 01:23:06,280
Speaker 2: realest thing ever. Yeah, because it's like what times you do.

1720
01:23:08,160 --> 01:23:11,360
Speaker 10: Sometimes you don't think you're being seen, but everyone's bag attention.

1721
01:23:12,439 --> 01:23:16,120
Speaker 10: And when I called you and I said, I need

1722
01:23:16,160 --> 01:23:20,000
Speaker 10: to come, so thank you.

1723
01:23:21,160 --> 01:23:26,080
Speaker 2: Thank you for Justina, thank you for coming Junia and Brose.

1724
01:23:26,120 --> 01:23:28,639
Speaker 2: In real life everything you can't leave.

1725
01:23:28,760 --> 01:23:30,320
Speaker 1: Joy, we got to leave and joy.

1726
01:23:30,520 --> 01:23:33,719
Speaker 2: Give me some joy. What is this this joy?

1727
01:23:33,840 --> 01:23:34,559
Speaker 4: Yes, it is?

1728
01:23:34,840 --> 01:23:38,639
Speaker 2: This is I'm so happy? Yeah, so this is joy?

1729
01:23:39,080 --> 01:23:39,360
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1730
01:23:39,520 --> 01:23:42,760
Speaker 2: And I joy is when you feel safe, when you

1731
01:23:42,800 --> 01:23:47,840
Speaker 2: feel seen seen. That is joy. And people are like, oh,

1732
01:23:47,880 --> 01:23:48,120
Speaker 2: you know.

1733
01:23:48,479 --> 01:23:51,439
Speaker 3: I was like, I want to be seen, and people

1734
01:23:51,520 --> 01:23:53,280
Speaker 3: like some people don't want to be seen. I want

1735
01:23:53,320 --> 01:23:55,920
Speaker 3: to be seen. It's like if I'm not seen, well

1736
01:23:55,960 --> 01:23:58,639
Speaker 3: what am I doing? Like at the end of our lives?

1737
01:23:58,720 --> 01:24:01,479
Speaker 3: Am I not supposed to have existed? Like I think

1738
01:24:01,520 --> 01:24:03,439
Speaker 3: that's what I think about the most, like my mom

1739
01:24:04,160 --> 01:24:08,840
Speaker 3: being gone. I constantly say her name, because her legacy

1740
01:24:09,160 --> 01:24:12,040
Speaker 3: is the fact that she was here, that she created me,

1741
01:24:12,200 --> 01:24:14,880
Speaker 3: that she gave me this life. And if I don't

1742
01:24:14,960 --> 01:24:17,439
Speaker 3: continue to celebrate that, then it was as if she

1743
01:24:17,479 --> 01:24:18,439
Speaker 3: didn't Like.

1744
01:24:18,479 --> 01:24:19,160
Speaker 2: She wasn't here.

1745
01:24:19,439 --> 01:24:20,720
Speaker 4: So you're being seen for her.

1746
01:24:20,880 --> 01:24:25,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, people move on and we leave this earth. We

1747
01:24:25,439 --> 01:24:29,880
Speaker 3: move on, we leave, We have to all leave. And

1748
01:24:30,600 --> 01:24:35,040
Speaker 3: when what is your legacy? I mean, my kids like

1749
01:24:36,080 --> 01:24:39,160
Speaker 3: the way I changed culture, the way I made people think,

1750
01:24:39,200 --> 01:24:41,799
Speaker 3: the way I made people feel, that's my legacy.

1751
01:24:43,560 --> 01:24:43,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's probably why you're so emotional, because

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Speaker 3: that's why I'm so emotional, because you carry the weight

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Speaker 3: of honoring your mother.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, by being seen.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like a little girl growing up in an

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Speaker 3: immigrant I came here, I came to this country and

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Speaker 3: I wasn't born in this country. I'm an immigrant. So

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Speaker 3: when I see immigrants the way they're being tortured now,

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Speaker 3: when I see I know the sacrifices that immigrants have,

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Speaker 3: you know, leaving their country to come to this country

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Speaker 3: for a better life, and this is not a better life.

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Speaker 3: And like, wait, hold on where I came from. As

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Speaker 3: an always, every time something immigrant comes here, it's not

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Speaker 3: because of the running from something, they're running towards something,

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Speaker 3: and when that is being misinterpreted, that part I take

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Speaker 3: real personal and that part hurts because I know what

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Speaker 3: it's like to come to this country as an immigrant

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Speaker 3: and to have gotten my citizenship and to you know,

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Speaker 3: I pay my part.

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Speaker 2: I do my part.

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Speaker 4: Shifted culture. I shifted culture.

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Speaker 2: We've built empires, billionaires, million billionaires and millionaires, and we shared.

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Speaker 2: We share that.

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Speaker 4: You know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: Sickness of success is super important to me. So if

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Speaker 3: I'm successful, anyone that's in the universe should be successful too.

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Speaker 1: And you are your mother's legacy. I am my mother's legacy.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I owe it. Tour you.

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Speaker 2: Me. This is June Ambros in real life.

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