WEBVTT - Amazon Part 7: The Final Frontier

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<v Speaker 1>How do you conclude a legendary business story, the story

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<v Speaker 1>of a company that started in a garage more than

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<v Speaker 1>twenty seven years ago and every single day expands further

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<v Speaker 1>into our neighborhoods, onto our screens, and throughout our lives.

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<v Speaker 1>How do you wrap up the story of an iconic

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<v Speaker 1>entrepreneur like Jeff Bezos who continues to dominate news headlines

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<v Speaker 1>and stir controversy. As I was pondering this question, a

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<v Speaker 1>funny thing happened. Jeff Bezos gave us an ending before

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<v Speaker 1>most people expected, and some bombshell news this evening from Amazon.

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<v Speaker 1>Jeff Bezos says he's stepping down as CEO. And this

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<v Speaker 1>is one of those announcements that when it came through today,

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<v Speaker 1>everyone went, oh, my gosh, what's happening. He's leading, He's

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<v Speaker 1>leaving the company. As far as day to day operation,

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<v Speaker 1>Jeff Bezos has announced that the quarter it was February second,

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand twenty one, and an earnings press release, Amazon

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<v Speaker 1>shocked the world it announced that its iconic founder was

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<v Speaker 1>leaving the CEO role. That summer, he would become executive

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<v Speaker 1>chairman and as protege. A guy named Andy Jassey who

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<v Speaker 1>ran Amazon Web Services would step into the top spot.

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<v Speaker 1>Beazo said he would remain actively involved in new projects

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<v Speaker 1>at the company, but he also spoke of other priorities.

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<v Speaker 1>He sent a memo to all Amazon employees. I asked

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<v Speaker 1>my colleague to read a selection from it. Being a

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<v Speaker 1>CEO of Amazon is a deep responsibility, and it is consuming.

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<v Speaker 1>When you have a responsibility like that, it is hard

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<v Speaker 1>to put attention on anything else. As executive chair, I

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<v Speaker 1>will stay engaged in important Amazon initiatives, but also have

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<v Speaker 1>the time and energy I need to focus on the

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<v Speaker 1>Day One Fund, the Bezos Earth Fund, Blue Origin, the

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<v Speaker 1>Washington Post, and my other passions. At the time, Basos

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<v Speaker 1>seemingly at a high point. He was the richest person

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<v Speaker 1>in the world. Amazon had surpassed to one trillion dollar

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<v Speaker 1>market cap, he had moved past the infamous pr battles

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<v Speaker 1>with the National Enquirer, and he even seemed to have

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<v Speaker 1>gotten over any public embarrassment over his divorce. But now

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<v Speaker 1>Bazos was talking about his interests in philanthropy and its

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<v Speaker 1>pursuit of space exploration with this private company, Blue Origin.

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<v Speaker 1>Things that Amazon were getting to be a lot less

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<v Speaker 1>fun for Bazos, as we covered in previous episodes, Sellers

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<v Speaker 1>in Amazon's marketplace were complaining bitterly about fraud and unfair

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<v Speaker 1>competition from overseas companies. Delivery service providers which employed Amazon

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<v Speaker 1>drivers were grumbling about how the company pressured them to

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<v Speaker 1>work at unsafe speeds. Amazon had so many vocal critics

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<v Speaker 1>in organized labor and on Capitol Hill, and they were

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<v Speaker 1>weaponizing the exorbitant wealth of the tech giants against them.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's Rhode Island Congressman David Cicillini concluding the Congressional hearings

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<v Speaker 1>on big Tech and antitrust. When these laws were written

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<v Speaker 1>in monopolists were men named Rockefeller and Carnegie. The names

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<v Speaker 1>have changed, but the story is the same today that

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<v Speaker 1>the men are named Zuckerberg, Cook, Chai, and Bezos. Their

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<v Speaker 1>controls and marketplace allowed them to do whatever it took

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<v Speaker 1>to crush independent businesses and expand their own power. This

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<v Speaker 1>must end. Bezos had become an object of ire, even scorn,

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<v Speaker 1>for his wealth, his power, and his life of extraordinary leisure.

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<v Speaker 1>His successor, Andy Jassey, would at the very least present

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<v Speaker 1>a humbler target for Amazon's critics. A handover made sense.

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<v Speaker 1>So what was next for Amazon without its iconic leader,

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<v Speaker 1>and what was next for Jeff Bezos now that he

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<v Speaker 1>was free from the daily responsibility of running the company.

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<v Speaker 1>He seemed to be in the midst of a profound

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<v Speaker 1>midlife crisis. It involved space travel, a mega yacht, and

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<v Speaker 1>going head to head with his ex wife in the

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<v Speaker 1>realm of philanthropic giving. You're listening to Foundering, I'm your host,

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<v Speaker 1>brad Stone. To begin the final act of our story.

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<v Speaker 1>We started early with the COVID nineteen pandemic, with stores

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<v Speaker 1>closing and people quarantining at home. Amazon sales sword. Many

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<v Speaker 1>people depended on Amazon at this time when they were

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<v Speaker 1>afraid to leave their homes, which put a terrible strain

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<v Speaker 1>on its warehouses, endangered the lives of its workers, and

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<v Speaker 1>kicked off a fresh and critical examination of Amazon's labor practices.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll tell you that story after the break. Okay, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>we hardly need to relive the early days of COVID.

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<v Speaker 1>It's still burned into most of our memories. Out of

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<v Speaker 1>growing concerns about the deadly coronavirus, a Washington State resident

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<v Speaker 1>fell ill after returning from Huhan, China, where the outbreak began.

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<v Speaker 1>Officials now the first confirmed COVID case in the US

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<v Speaker 1>was actually in Seattle, Amazon's backyard. In early March, the

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<v Speaker 1>majority of the workforce headed home for what would be

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<v Speaker 1>a brutal extended quarantine. The human told during this period

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<v Speaker 1>was horrific, of course, but so was the financial one.

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<v Speaker 1>The International Monetary Fund estimated that COVID will cost the

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<v Speaker 1>global economy over twelve point five trillion dollars. That's a

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<v Speaker 1>staggering number, comparable to the impact of the Great Depression.

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<v Speaker 1>But at Amazon, exactly the opposite happened. While engineers and

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<v Speaker 1>other white color employees went home, workers in the fulfillment

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<v Speaker 1>centers had to stay at their posts. Here's Derrick Palmer,

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<v Speaker 1>a packer at a warehouse in Staten Island. You go home,

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<v Speaker 1>all you see is coronavirus dis coronavirus that stay safe.

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<v Speaker 1>When I get to Amazon, there was no talk about

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<v Speaker 1>coronavirus at all. It was almost as like Amazon didn't

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<v Speaker 1>know what to do, so they didn't address it at all,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, which was very alarming, because when I'm working

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people will come to me and say,

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<v Speaker 1>what are we gonna do about this virus? Like they

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<v Speaker 1>already coming to me looking for a solution because they

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<v Speaker 1>didn't have any trust in Amazon, and I myself was lost.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't I didn't know soon COVID wasn't only something

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<v Speaker 1>that Derek saw on the news. His colleagues at Staten

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<v Speaker 1>Island called out sick, and others showed up to work

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<v Speaker 1>with symptoms. Derek worked with a guy named Chris Smalls,

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<v Speaker 1>who would soon become the face of worker dissatisfaction with Amazon.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's Chris, the colleague that I work hand in hand

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<v Speaker 1>with um. She was sick, her eyes were bloodshot, read,

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<v Speaker 1>she was walking around sluggish. She already been there for

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<v Speaker 1>a number of days, for ten hours shifts, so I

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<v Speaker 1>know she's been around hundreds of people already. That was

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<v Speaker 1>the red flag. I said, you need to go home

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<v Speaker 1>immediately until your results come back. So Chris tells his

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<v Speaker 1>bosses that he thinks COVID is in the building, and

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<v Speaker 1>he was surprised when management told him someone had already

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<v Speaker 1>tested positive two weeks prior. They told me not to

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<v Speaker 1>tell anybody that somebody was already positive. They didn't want

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<v Speaker 1>to cause a panic. It didn't make any sense to me.

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<v Speaker 1>You're telling me that somebody has been positive in the

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<v Speaker 1>building two weeks prior. We had no idea. We don't

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<v Speaker 1>know where they got it from, where it came from,

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<v Speaker 1>how long it's been in the building. Chris comes out

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<v Speaker 1>of the meeting and tells Derek what just happened. Derek

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<v Speaker 1>said he was surprised. I just I got I was shocked.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, wait, they don't want workers they know, like,

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<v Speaker 1>why wouldn't they want us to know about the first

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<v Speaker 1>coronavirus case? And he was just like, look, man, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. This is this is scary. Amazon was initially

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<v Speaker 1>secretive about the cases in their warehouses because they wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to avoid employee panic. A lot of big employers of

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<v Speaker 1>frontline workers were in the same position, but this would

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<v Speaker 1>blow back on Amazon in a big way. Late that March,

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<v Speaker 1>Chris and Derek organized an employee walk out. So then

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<v Speaker 1>the company told Chris to stay at home because he

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<v Speaker 1>had possibly been in contact with an infected colleague, but

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<v Speaker 1>he returned to the building anyway and he got fired.

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<v Speaker 1>What happened next would turned Staten Island into the epicenter

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<v Speaker 1>of controversy over Amazon's COVID response, and it would give

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<v Speaker 1>hope to organize labor, which had been trying unsuccessfully to

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<v Speaker 1>organize Amazon workers for years. While all this is happening,

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<v Speaker 1>Jeff Bezos' leadership group had a meeting about the situation,

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<v Speaker 1>and a transcript was leaked to Vice News. In it,

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<v Speaker 1>Amazon's chief council David Zapolski, suggested that the company should

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<v Speaker 1>focus attention on Chris Small's because he wasn't quote smart

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<v Speaker 1>or articulate. I should note that Chris is black, and

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<v Speaker 1>many critics saw the comment as racially charged. Here's Chris again.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd never forget that moment. Now. Of course, the definitely

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<v Speaker 1>upset me saying these racist remarks. You know, call it

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<v Speaker 1>what it is. It's definitely a stigment of black community

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<v Speaker 1>calling us not smart, articulate. The leaked transcript was a

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<v Speaker 1>huge story. It gave people a rare look inside Amazon's

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<v Speaker 1>leadership team, where the focus appeared to be on stopping

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<v Speaker 1>a fledgling union movement rather than listening to the safety

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<v Speaker 1>concerns of workers. Later, sapul Sky, the chief attorney, apologized

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<v Speaker 1>for his comments. He said he hadn't known Chris was black.

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<v Speaker 1>He told me, quote, I shouldn't have used that characterization

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<v Speaker 1>for any Amazon employee. It was incredibly regrettable. As for Chris,

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<v Speaker 1>he threw himself into union organizing. Ironically, Uh, they said

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<v Speaker 1>to make me the face of the whole unionizing efforts

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<v Speaker 1>against Amazon, And from that moment forward, that's when I

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<v Speaker 1>really started to get involved in organizing on a larger

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<v Speaker 1>scale nationwide. And now I'm trying to make them eat

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<v Speaker 1>those words. As of this recording. In April, Chris and

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<v Speaker 1>Derek led Amazon employees to victory in the union election

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<v Speaker 1>in New York City. It marks organized labor's first ever

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<v Speaker 1>foothold in Amazon in the US, historic wind that will

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<v Speaker 1>now lead to an epic challenge negotiating a contract with

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<v Speaker 1>the company to improve the lives of its workers. Almost

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<v Speaker 1>two years to the day after he was fired by Amazon,

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<v Speaker 1>Chris stood in front of a group of supporters and

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<v Speaker 1>pop champagne history. Do you have a method for Jeff Beziness. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>we want to thank that basis were going to space

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<v Speaker 1>because when he was up there Amazon. He's thanking Bezos

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<v Speaker 1>for going to space because while the former CEO was distracted,

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<v Speaker 1>Chris was building a union. This could mean big changes

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<v Speaker 1>for Amazon unless they somehow get it overturned in court.

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<v Speaker 1>The implication are huge unions can make it harder for

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<v Speaker 1>Amazon to dictate things like the length of breaks and

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<v Speaker 1>when employees are compelled to work extra time. This is

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<v Speaker 1>the kind of flexibility that Amazon depends on to meet

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<v Speaker 1>those unexpected surges and lulls and online shopping. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>significant challenge to their business model. But back in Chris

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<v Speaker 1>Small's also succeeded in drawing lots of attention to Amazon's

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<v Speaker 1>pandemic response. Sixty minutes dispatched a crew to check it out,

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<v Speaker 1>which is never a good sign. The journalist Leslie Stall

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<v Speaker 1>interviewed Chris as well as Dave Clark, the executive who

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<v Speaker 1>built the Amazon transportation network and now ran the entire

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<v Speaker 1>retail part of the company. So, how many positive cases

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<v Speaker 1>have you discovered at Amazon? The actual sort of total

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<v Speaker 1>number case isn't particularly useful because it's relative to the

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<v Speaker 1>size of the building and then the overall community infection rates.

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<v Speaker 1>So you you don't know, or you're just not going

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<v Speaker 1>to tell us how many cases have been discovered. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't have I mean, we know, I don't have the

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<v Speaker 1>number right on me at this moment because it's not

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<v Speaker 1>a particularly useful number. It wasn't a good look people

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to know what was going on inside Amazon's warehouses. Finally,

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<v Speaker 1>the company did reveal its COVID numbers later that year.

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<v Speaker 1>About twenty of its one point four million workers had

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<v Speaker 1>gotten sick by the fall, and that number didn't include

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<v Speaker 1>the drivers, who are contractors not employees. Amazon argued this

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<v Speaker 1>was lower than the infection right and surrounding communities, and

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<v Speaker 1>that many of these employees could have gotten ill at

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<v Speaker 1>home instead of work. In August, and Amazon spokesperson gave

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<v Speaker 1>us this statement, quote, we are monitoring the situation closely,

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<v Speaker 1>and we'll continue to follow local government guidance and work

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<v Speaker 1>closely with leading medical healthcare professionals. Now, I spent a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of time reporting on Amazon's pandemic response from my book,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think the problem was they had to competing

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<v Speaker 1>interests serving customers and protecting workers. They did institute safety

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<v Speaker 1>precautions in the warehouses, like social distancing and COVID testing,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was really impossible to do both, particularly in

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<v Speaker 1>the early days of the pandemic, and because serving customers

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<v Speaker 1>has always been Amazon's guiding principle. Again, it came first.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember feeling surprised by how engaged Jeff Bezos was

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<v Speaker 1>from his ranch in West Texas. He led weekly meetings

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<v Speaker 1>devoted to COVID and employee safety. Amazon hired epidemiologists to

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<v Speaker 1>guide them through the crisis. Bezos wanted to convey the

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<v Speaker 1>image of a CEO in control and sympathetic to the

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<v Speaker 1>plight of employees. In April, he visited an Amazon warehouse

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<v Speaker 1>and a Whole Foods market in Dallas, his first public

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<v Speaker 1>visit to the online in years. Nice to be decided out,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you, But this was a pre battle that Amazon

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<v Speaker 1>really couldn't win. Amazon sales jumped during the crisis. Amazon's

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<v Speaker 1>market capitalization increased by about seven hundred billion dollars, and

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<v Speaker 1>Jeff bezos personal net worth rose by about seventy five billion.

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<v Speaker 1>So at a time when people in businesses were suffering

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<v Speaker 1>and employees were panicking, Amazon and Bezos were thriving, it

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<v Speaker 1>felt unsettling that the very thing that was shutting down

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<v Speaker 1>the world was filling the company's coffers. Navigating this pr

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<v Speaker 1>maelstrom was one of the biggest challenges Bezos had ever faced,

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<v Speaker 1>and just eight months later he decided to step down

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<v Speaker 1>from the CEO job. I don't think the pandemic is

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<v Speaker 1>necessarily the reason he left, but certainly it was another

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<v Speaker 1>illustration that running the company was getting to be a

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<v Speaker 1>lot less fun, and Bezos did want to have fun.

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<v Speaker 1>He wanted to have adventures. He wanted to embrace the

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<v Speaker 1>kind of risk that might scare the shareholders of a big,

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<v Speaker 1>publicly traded company like Amazon. He wanted to go to space.

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<v Speaker 1>Will visit Van Horn, Texas for Jeff Bezos is highly

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<v Speaker 1>controversial trip to space Next. In July, my colleague Spencer Soper,

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<v Speaker 1>and I traveled to Van Horn, Texas. It's a small

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<v Speaker 1>town of about two thousand people. When you drive around,

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<v Speaker 1>you see trailer parks and roadside motels. Bezos owns a

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<v Speaker 1>massive ranch about forty minutes away. It's one thousand acres

0:15:59.320 --> 0:16:03.000
<v Speaker 1>of mountains and brush that resembles his grandfather's Texas ranch

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<v Speaker 1>where he spent idyllic summers as a child. He secretly

0:16:07.280 --> 0:16:09.880
<v Speaker 1>scouted this land back in two thousand three, and then

0:16:10.000 --> 0:16:13.640
<v Speaker 1>later announced his plan to a local newspaper. He wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to build a launch site on the property for his

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<v Speaker 1>private space company, Blue Origin. Spencer and I were in

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<v Speaker 1>Van Horn to witness something pretty wild yep. Just a

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<v Speaker 1>few weeks after he formally departed the CEO job at Amazon.

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<v Speaker 1>Bezos was leaving Earth. Here's Spencer, who brought along a

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<v Speaker 1>microphone to document this unusual event. Just getting checked into

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<v Speaker 1>Van Horn, Texas. And uh, folks in town, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>some are pretty stoked about it, and some, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>man not so much. You know, so say they'd rather

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<v Speaker 1>have have rain than a than than a spaceship because

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<v Speaker 1>they've been dealing with some drought for a while. Many

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<v Speaker 1>of the townspeople seemed completely unaware of this billionaire space project.

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<v Speaker 1>Spencer met Barbara while he was pumping gas. Bezos people

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<v Speaker 1>know much about him down here. Um, I'm not really

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<v Speaker 1>in not that I'm aware of. Do you do you

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<v Speaker 1>shop on Amazon? Yes? I do? So he runs that company,

0:17:10.359 --> 0:17:13.240
<v Speaker 1>he founded it. Yeah, really, Yeah, that's that's the guy

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<v Speaker 1>going to space. He's the guy who found it, that

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<v Speaker 1>clown and okay, well sharing how much I know that's

0:17:18.840 --> 0:17:22.199
<v Speaker 1>how he made his money. Wow. Spencer also caught up

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<v Speaker 1>with local sheriff Arvin West the night before the launch

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<v Speaker 1>at a small canteena outside Van Horn. The sheriff, who

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<v Speaker 1>had other things on his mind, was not impressed. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, it did never blew my scard up.

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<v Speaker 1>So one never no big deal to me. Well, the

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<v Speaker 1>billionaires are going to space, maybe they'll stay there. There's

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<v Speaker 1>actually a petition say don't let him back one thing

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<v Speaker 1>about it. We don't have to worry about him checking

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<v Speaker 1>their green card coming in. They only even do that

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<v Speaker 1>for the border. Well that's one guy's opinion. Anyway, we

0:17:53.359 --> 0:17:56.600
<v Speaker 1>were not alone in van Horn that week. Reporters and

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<v Speaker 1>satellite TV trucks descended on the scene rocket to make

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<v Speaker 1>for pretty compelling television. And there was always the possibility

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<v Speaker 1>that Bezos sent his colleagues might die in a fiery crash.

0:18:08.280 --> 0:18:11.520
<v Speaker 1>Here's a pretty dark confession. I actually had to pre

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<v Speaker 1>write his obituary just in case. Here's Spencer again. So

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<v Speaker 1>Jeff Bezos will be fulfilling his boyhood drained today. Uh,

0:18:21.240 --> 0:18:23.680
<v Speaker 1>he's fifty seven now. He said he's been dreaming about

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<v Speaker 1>space travel since he was five years old, and this

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<v Speaker 1>is basically an expedition he can take due to his

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<v Speaker 1>wealth created from founding Amazon dot Com, which is now

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<v Speaker 1>the world's largest retailer. Today's rocket won't go into orbit.

0:18:37.880 --> 0:18:42.600
<v Speaker 1>It will it will go into a suborbital space, letting

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<v Speaker 1>the astronauts experience a few minutes of weightlessness. At two

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<v Speaker 1>in the morning, Spencer and I met up with the

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<v Speaker 1>other journalists at the local community center. Rental car headlights

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<v Speaker 1>glowed in the parking lot. Blue Origin had been working

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<v Speaker 1>on the New Shepherd rocket for about fifteen years and

0:19:00.840 --> 0:19:04.800
<v Speaker 1>conducted fifteen unmanned flights. This was the first one with

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<v Speaker 1>people on board. Bezos was a guinea pig of sorts,

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<v Speaker 1>along with three others, his younger brother Mark, an astronaut

0:19:12.560 --> 0:19:16.520
<v Speaker 1>trainee in her eighties, and an eighteen year old July

0:19:16.720 --> 0:19:19.240
<v Speaker 1>actually turned out to be a frenzied month for the

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<v Speaker 1>space tourism industry. Bezos's launch was nine days after Richard

0:19:23.880 --> 0:19:28.200
<v Speaker 1>Branson had his launch with Virgin Galactic. A key goal

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<v Speaker 1>of space pioneers like Bezos, Brandson, and Elon Musk is

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<v Speaker 1>creating spaceships that can be reused like airplanes. Rather than

0:19:36.200 --> 0:19:39.760
<v Speaker 1>plunging into the ocean, the rocket booster lands upright and

0:19:39.880 --> 0:19:43.399
<v Speaker 1>can be flown over and over again. This lowers the

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<v Speaker 1>cost of space travel and makes the commercialization and exploration

0:19:47.880 --> 0:19:51.080
<v Speaker 1>of space more feasible. New Shepherd took off in a

0:19:51.080 --> 0:19:55.240
<v Speaker 1>little after eight am, Texas time. Watching it watching any

0:19:55.320 --> 0:19:58.879
<v Speaker 1>rocket launch is a pretty profound experience. You think of

0:19:59.000 --> 0:20:03.720
<v Speaker 1>human potential, incredible scientific achievement, and of course the safety

0:20:03.760 --> 0:20:06.520
<v Speaker 1>of the people on board. I just have to add

0:20:07.040 --> 0:20:12.679
<v Speaker 1>the new Shepherd is extraordinarily phallic looking. Five four command

0:20:12.680 --> 0:20:27.480
<v Speaker 1>engines start to one. Of course, Basos and his crew

0:20:27.600 --> 0:20:31.320
<v Speaker 1>landed safely. After the launch, we got on busses again

0:20:31.320 --> 0:20:34.359
<v Speaker 1>to go to another facility for the post trip press conference.

0:20:35.000 --> 0:20:38.359
<v Speaker 1>A Country Western soundtrack was playing on a loop, and

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<v Speaker 1>I remember thinking how choreographed the entire day was, Like

0:20:42.600 --> 0:20:48.359
<v Speaker 1>Bezos wanted to conjure images of Clint Eastward and John Wayne.

0:20:49.400 --> 0:20:52.960
<v Speaker 1>Bezos showed up in a cowboy hat. Reporters crammed onto

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<v Speaker 1>folded chairs on one side of the root and the

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<v Speaker 1>astronauts family sat on the other side, and how it felt.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, My expectations were high and they were

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<v Speaker 1>dramatically exceeded. But when you get up above the atmosphere,

0:21:09.280 --> 0:21:13.240
<v Speaker 1>what you see is it's actually incredibly thin. It's this tiny, little,

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<v Speaker 1>tragile thing, and as we move about the planet, we're

0:21:16.080 --> 0:21:18.639
<v Speaker 1>damaging it. That's a very profound It's one thing to

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<v Speaker 1>recognize that intellectually, it's another thing to actually see with

0:21:22.040 --> 0:21:25.040
<v Speaker 1>your own eyes. This was the most excited I've ever

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<v Speaker 1>seen Bass. He was almost like a kid. But he

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<v Speaker 1>made one comment that ruffled some feathers. He was trying

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<v Speaker 1>to make a joke while conveying gratitude toward the people

0:21:35.160 --> 0:21:40.159
<v Speaker 1>who facilitated Amazon's rise, which created his fortune. I also,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to thank every Amazon employee and every Amazon customer,

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<v Speaker 1>because you guys paid for all this. This is what

0:21:49.920 --> 0:21:53.320
<v Speaker 1>Christmas was talking about after his union win. We played

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<v Speaker 1>this tape in a previous episode. Remember an Amazon delivery

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<v Speaker 1>person said he quit when he heard it because Azos

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<v Speaker 1>said this just months after the controversies around Amazon's pandemic

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<v Speaker 1>response and the dangerous to warehouse workers. It went over

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<v Speaker 1>very poorly. Afterwards, we had a chance to go to

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<v Speaker 1>the launch site and snap more photos. Then Bezos made

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<v Speaker 1>a surprise appearance. He was on a convoy of electric

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<v Speaker 1>trucks made by Ribban, a startup that Amazon invested in

0:22:22.160 --> 0:22:25.840
<v Speaker 1>and ordered one hundred thousand electric delivery trucks from. This

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<v Speaker 1>was a victory lap and he was clearly relishing the attention.

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<v Speaker 1>Reporters shouted questions at Bezos, so Bezos just showed up

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<v Speaker 1>with the other three astronauts and they're walking onto the

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<v Speaker 1>landing pad. How soon do you want to go back?

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<v Speaker 1>It looks like it's I'm just gonna cost me. In

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<v Speaker 1>the middle of the scrum, Spencer blessed him, took his shot.

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<v Speaker 1>See little guys, thank you. What a great day. Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>give us an update on the billion in stock you

0:23:05.600 --> 0:23:07.879
<v Speaker 1>got itself to bankroll it. We heard that one the

0:23:07.960 --> 0:23:12.880
<v Speaker 1>last four years ago. He looked at me, got into

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<v Speaker 1>the car, shut the door, and drove off. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I think there was a slim pickens on questions today.

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<v Speaker 1>Bezos was driving away from the press, but he wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>leaving the public stage. This was his future, not conducting

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<v Speaker 1>company meetings in Seattle conference rooms. In fact, I thought

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<v Speaker 1>the most revealing thing he said at the press conference

0:23:33.760 --> 0:23:35.960
<v Speaker 1>was when he was asked how he was now going

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<v Speaker 1>to focus as time. Yes, so I'm gonna split my

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<v Speaker 1>time between Blue Origin and the Bezos Earth Fund, those

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<v Speaker 1>two things, and there's gonna be a third thing, um

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<v Speaker 1>and maybe a fourth thing, but I don't know what

0:23:46.720 --> 0:23:49.080
<v Speaker 1>those are yet. I'm not very good at doing one thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you notice he didn't mention Amazon? I think to

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<v Speaker 1>surprise some people back in Seattle. Bezos's feet were leaving

0:23:57.280 --> 0:24:01.520
<v Speaker 1>the earth literally and kind of figuratively too. He now

0:24:01.600 --> 0:24:06.400
<v Speaker 1>belonged to a different orbit of space dreams, celebrity global

0:24:06.480 --> 0:24:10.119
<v Speaker 1>travel with his girlfriend and their life of extraordinary wealth.

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<v Speaker 1>As for Amazon, well, it was now Andy Jassy's company.

0:24:15.400 --> 0:24:18.359
<v Speaker 1>The deputy would have to find his own way. We'll

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<v Speaker 1>tell that story next. So Jeff Bezos announced he was

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<v Speaker 1>stepping down from the CEO role, and I remember a

0:24:40.000 --> 0:24:43.760
<v Speaker 1>lot of commentators assuming he's going to stay involved. Of course,

0:24:44.720 --> 0:24:49.080
<v Speaker 1>Bezos was a famous micromanager. It just seemed impossible that

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<v Speaker 1>he would change a style and be hands off at

0:24:51.800 --> 0:24:55.560
<v Speaker 1>the company he nurtured for two decades. But after the

0:24:55.600 --> 0:24:59.920
<v Speaker 1>space launch, Bezos devoted himself to his charity. He also

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<v Speaker 1>went on vacation and popped up in places like Hawaii, Greece, Bora, Bora,

0:25:05.119 --> 0:25:09.720
<v Speaker 1>and Mexico. It became pretty clear, for the first time ever,

0:25:10.320 --> 0:25:12.800
<v Speaker 1>Amazon was going to have to make its way without

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<v Speaker 1>its founder. Andy Jassey was the new guy in charge.

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<v Speaker 1>I've known Jasse for years and followed his career. He's

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<v Speaker 1>an impressive executive. He built a WS into the most

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<v Speaker 1>profitable and fastest growing part of Amazon, and he learned

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<v Speaker 1>directly from Bezos, in part by following him around everywhere

0:25:32.640 --> 0:25:36.399
<v Speaker 1>during Amazon's early days as his chief of staff. But

0:25:36.480 --> 0:25:39.399
<v Speaker 1>as Amazon made its way through the COVID crisis, it

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<v Speaker 1>became apparent that the company needed something more, someone who

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<v Speaker 1>could mend its relationship with employees and fix its reputation

0:25:47.280 --> 0:25:52.000
<v Speaker 1>among regulators, the press, and customers. Jesse has tried to

0:25:52.040 --> 0:25:55.640
<v Speaker 1>thread this needle. A few days before he took over Amazon,

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<v Speaker 1>the company added two new entries to its list of

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<v Speaker 1>leadership principles. These are the codes that govern all decisions

0:26:03.560 --> 0:26:07.640
<v Speaker 1>like who gets hired and promoted. The new principles were

0:26:08.400 --> 0:26:12.480
<v Speaker 1>strive to be Earth's best employer, and success and scale,

0:26:12.520 --> 0:26:17.680
<v Speaker 1>bring broad responsibility. These are some pretty lofty goals. In

0:26:17.680 --> 0:26:22.200
<v Speaker 1>other words, Amazon was finally acknowledging its critics for its

0:26:22.280 --> 0:26:26.320
<v Speaker 1>first twenty seven years. Satisfying the almighty customer had been

0:26:26.359 --> 0:26:30.520
<v Speaker 1>the company's first and only north star. Now it was

0:26:30.560 --> 0:26:35.600
<v Speaker 1>admitting that workers were another crucial constituency. Here's Jasse speaking

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<v Speaker 1>at an internal Amazon event called Deep Dive in July. So,

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<v Speaker 1>if I start with um strive to be or It's

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<v Speaker 1>best employer, I think that we always felt like it

0:26:48.720 --> 0:26:51.320
<v Speaker 1>was self evident that we cared about employees, and that

0:26:51.359 --> 0:26:53.399
<v Speaker 1>we cared about building the best place to work, and

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<v Speaker 1>we cared about our culture. Uh but you know, as

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<v Speaker 1>we step back, we we kind of thought it made

0:27:00.440 --> 0:27:02.480
<v Speaker 1>sense to be a little bit more intentional here at

0:27:02.480 --> 0:27:06.040
<v Speaker 1>this point and to make it clearer to employees um

0:27:06.040 --> 0:27:08.120
<v Speaker 1>that this was something we were going to focus on.

0:27:08.400 --> 0:27:12.200
<v Speaker 1>But keeping all those workers happy and motivated, particularly amid

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<v Speaker 1>the Great Resignation, was going to be costly. In the

0:27:15.720 --> 0:27:18.439
<v Speaker 1>span of a few months, the company raised a starting

0:27:18.440 --> 0:27:21.880
<v Speaker 1>hourly wage for new hires to an average eighteen dollars

0:27:21.880 --> 0:27:25.240
<v Speaker 1>an hour. It also doubled base pay for new office

0:27:25.280 --> 0:27:29.960
<v Speaker 1>and tech workers. As a result, Amazon's expenses went way up,

0:27:30.359 --> 0:27:34.040
<v Speaker 1>and as the pandemic faded, shopper started to return to stores.

0:27:34.840 --> 0:27:40.600
<v Speaker 1>So Amazon stock price started to stagnate. Yeah, Amazon shares sliding.

0:27:40.800 --> 0:27:44.880
<v Speaker 1>Of course, online sales not that great, weakest growth since

0:27:44.880 --> 0:27:47.040
<v Speaker 1>the start of the pandemic, so huge boost that they

0:27:47.160 --> 0:27:51.000
<v Speaker 1>got starting to fade. Another challenge is continuing to invent

0:27:51.040 --> 0:27:55.880
<v Speaker 1>new products. Remember Alexa, the Kindle, and Aws pretty much

0:27:55.960 --> 0:27:59.480
<v Speaker 1>sprang from Jeff Bezos's head. It remains to be seen

0:27:59.560 --> 0:28:02.080
<v Speaker 1>if Jaz sees as an inventor at anywhere near the

0:28:02.119 --> 0:28:06.560
<v Speaker 1>same level. It's the Amazon Astro, kind of like an

0:28:06.560 --> 0:28:09.160
<v Speaker 1>Alexa on wheels that can follow you around the house.

0:28:09.760 --> 0:28:13.680
<v Speaker 1>Early in Jesse's tenure, Amazon announced a one dollar rolling

0:28:13.720 --> 0:28:18.680
<v Speaker 1>home robot that uses Alexa called Astro, but strangely, as

0:28:18.720 --> 0:28:22.160
<v Speaker 1>of this recording, Amazon really hasn't started selling it yet.

0:28:22.760 --> 0:28:25.840
<v Speaker 1>Another thing to watch is whether Jasse pushes Amazon further

0:28:25.920 --> 0:28:30.159
<v Speaker 1>into the healthcare industry. The global healthcare market is huge

0:28:30.560 --> 0:28:36.159
<v Speaker 1>and estimated twelve trillion dollars. It's also pretty technologically backwards,

0:28:36.160 --> 0:28:39.440
<v Speaker 1>so it's a big opportunity. But that's still really hypothetical.

0:28:40.560 --> 0:28:44.160
<v Speaker 1>So can Jasse pull it off, impress Amazon investors once

0:28:44.160 --> 0:28:48.600
<v Speaker 1>again and right the next chapter of this epic business story.

0:28:48.840 --> 0:28:51.520
<v Speaker 1>If he does, it probably won't be due to guidance

0:28:51.560 --> 0:28:55.840
<v Speaker 1>from his mentor. By the beginning of it really felt

0:28:55.840 --> 0:28:59.840
<v Speaker 1>like Bezos had moved on. He was fifty eight after

0:28:59.840 --> 0:29:02.800
<v Speaker 1>the rocket launch. He bought a massive vacation property on

0:29:02.920 --> 0:29:06.000
<v Speaker 1>Maui for seventy eight million. He built one of the

0:29:06.040 --> 0:29:09.040
<v Speaker 1>largest yachts in the world, which cost an estimated five

0:29:09.120 --> 0:29:13.640
<v Speaker 1>hundred million. He also sent TV personality Michael Strahan and

0:29:13.760 --> 0:29:17.440
<v Speaker 1>Captain Kirk himself William Shatner on the same Blue Origin

0:29:17.560 --> 0:29:22.360
<v Speaker 1>rocket to the edge of space. The most profound experience.

0:29:23.160 --> 0:29:30.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm so filled with emotion about what just happened. I

0:29:30.040 --> 0:29:34.920
<v Speaker 1>I just it's extraordinary. Shatner clearly enjoyed the ride, but

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<v Speaker 1>there was a lot of mockery of these launches, particularly

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<v Speaker 1>from late night comedians who couldn't get over the rockets

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<v Speaker 1>conspicuously phallic shape. Captain, it's a giantistical Meanwhile, basis trying

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<v Speaker 1>to improve his image by drawing attention to his increased

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<v Speaker 1>philanthropic activities. Here he is in the fall at the

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<v Speaker 1>when Climate conference. Nature provides, it gives us life. It

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<v Speaker 1>is beautiful, but it is also fragile. I was reminded

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<v Speaker 1>of this when I went into space with Blue Origin.

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<v Speaker 1>Bezos earmarked ten billion dollars to fighting climate change. He

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<v Speaker 1>was the sixteenth biggest philanthropist according to Forbes. Now, whatever

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<v Speaker 1>you think of that ranking, it was significantly overshadowed by

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<v Speaker 1>the person at number five, his ex wife, Mackenzie. She

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<v Speaker 1>changed her last name from Bezos to Scott after the divorce.

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<v Speaker 1>Mackenzie said she wanted to give her money away as

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<v Speaker 1>fast as possible, and alongside her donations, she published thoughtful

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<v Speaker 1>online essays where she almost seemed to be trolling her

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<v Speaker 1>ex husband. Here's my colleague reading a particularly pointed passage.

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<v Speaker 1>We are all attempting to give away a fortune that

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<v Speaker 1>was enabled by systems in need of change. In this effort,

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<v Speaker 1>we are governed by a humbling belief that it would

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<v Speaker 1>be better if disproportionate wealth we're not concentrated in a

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<v Speaker 1>small number of hands, and that the solutions are best

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<v Speaker 1>designed and implemented by others. It's actually quite savage. She's

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<v Speaker 1>implying that her sixty billion dollar fortune and divorce money

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<v Speaker 1>came from a rigged system rather than Bezos's ingenuity and inventiveness,

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<v Speaker 1>and that the uber wealthy are the wrong people to

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<v Speaker 1>fix the world's problems. She almost seemed to be citing

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<v Speaker 1>with her ex husband's fiercest critics. It's funny. Back in

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<v Speaker 1>the day, Beazos always praised Mackenzie's intelligence. He'd like to

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<v Speaker 1>say she was smart enough to get him out of

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<v Speaker 1>a third world jail. Now Here, she was effectively relegating

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<v Speaker 1>him to a new sort of prison, one built on

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<v Speaker 1>a critique that his fortune was earned in an unfair system.

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<v Speaker 1>If Bezos cared about this, he never showed it. He

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<v Speaker 1>became prolific on Instagram documenting a new life. He was

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<v Speaker 1>frolicking in Hawaii with Lauren Sanchez, right in luxury yachts,

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<v Speaker 1>partying with other celebrities like Leonardo DiCaprio and The Rock

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<v Speaker 1>and in the stance of the super Bowl. He looked

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<v Speaker 1>like he was having a great time. To a long

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<v Speaker 1>time Bezos watcher, I have to say this was just

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<v Speaker 1>so surprising. Bezos had started his technology career as a focused,

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<v Speaker 1>kind of nerdy business leader. He was disciplined, he stayed

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<v Speaker 1>out of the limelight, and he evangelized long term thinking,

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<v Speaker 1>not living in the moment. Remember way back when Bezos

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<v Speaker 1>explained his regret minimization framework, it was all about looking

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<v Speaker 1>back with pride and your accomplishments when you're eighty. And

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<v Speaker 1>he said he didn't believe in carpe d M, making

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<v Speaker 1>the most of the present day with a little thought

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<v Speaker 1>of the future. It was not carpe d M. It

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<v Speaker 1>was not wine women in song. No, no, no no,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't go in for carpet d M. I go

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<v Speaker 1>in for regret minimization framework. Absolutely well, Bezo seemed to

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<v Speaker 1>have him race Carbadum, he ended up as an entirely

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<v Speaker 1>different person. I guess in some ways it's fitting. The

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<v Speaker 1>Amazon story is, after all, the story of dramatic change,

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<v Speaker 1>how one company transformed the way we all shop, read,

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<v Speaker 1>and even the character of our communities, So it makes

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<v Speaker 1>sense that this is also the story of how one person,

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<v Speaker 1>Jeff Bezos, was also changed. It's interesting that so many

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<v Speaker 1>people are disappointed by this current incarnation of Bezos. I

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<v Speaker 1>feel a little at down at times. Two. I think

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<v Speaker 1>that those of us who admired him for his inventiveness

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<v Speaker 1>or his business acumen feel that he's kind of wasting

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<v Speaker 1>his talent. His extreme wealth almost amounts to having a superpower,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think we want to see our superheroes use

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<v Speaker 1>their powers to save the world, not to fly around

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<v Speaker 1>to vacation spots or to retreat to a mega yacht.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe Bezos will recommit to Amazon one day, maybe Andy

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<v Speaker 1>Jassey won't need his help, or maybe Bezos will apply

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<v Speaker 1>his keen intellect and deep resources to not only go

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<v Speaker 1>into space, but to really getting into the trenches in

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<v Speaker 1>the fight against climate change with the same success as

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<v Speaker 1>he's had building Amazon. Whatever you think of Jeff Bezos

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<v Speaker 1>and his greatest creation, we should probably all be rooting

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<v Speaker 1>for him to float back down to Earth. This season

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<v Speaker 1>of Foundering was hosted by me brad Stone. Sean When

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<v Speaker 1>is our executive producer. Spencer Sober contributed reporting to this episode.

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<v Speaker 1>Ray Mondo is our audio engineer. Molly Nugent is our

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<v Speaker 1>associate producer, Mark Million and vandermay Robin Agello and Molly

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<v Speaker 1>and Brodie Ford France. Jsica Levi is the head of

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