1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 1: And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:09,639 Speaker 2: What's up, everybody? Welcome to the Move the Sticks podcast. 3 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:12,840 Speaker 2: DJ Buck and our good friend Lancer Line joined the 4 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:15,239 Speaker 2: show today. Lance, I'll start with you first of all, 5 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:17,439 Speaker 2: we're not paying you for this, all right. I just 6 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 2: need to know what my expectation level should be. 7 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 1: No, they should be very low, low expectations. You won't 8 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:24,800 Speaker 1: be disappointed. 9 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 3: Oh oh, Lance is in the club. Lance, Welcome to 10 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 3: the playoff club. 11 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 4: So we got the trash trows, we got the pod rays, 12 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 4: and then we got the Dodgers. 13 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:36,880 Speaker 3: In the building. So everyone is in. Everyone got a 14 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 3: little skin out of the game. 15 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:43,920 Speaker 1: Everyone's everyone is in some most of us have injured pitching. 16 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:47,239 Speaker 1: Most of us have indured pitching. One of us has 17 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 1: a future Hall of Famer that won't make the playoff roster. 18 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 5: So we'll see what happened. 19 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 2: WHOA Who's the future Hall of Famer not making the 20 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 2: playoff roster? 21 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 1: Berlander, he's been terrible since he's come back from his 22 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 1: neck injury that lasted three month. They're like, ah, my 23 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 1: neck hurts. It's like the end of the year for him. 24 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 1: It's unbelievable. But that age. You know, age is undefeated, 25 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 1: as we find out in football all the time. It 26 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 1: just takes longer for certain players Berlander, Tom Brady. But 27 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:16,959 Speaker 1: age will eventually catch up with you. It just does 28 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 1: it at different times for different players and different sports. 29 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:21,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, we won't we won't talk anymore baseball here, but 30 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 2: I mean, the Pods did take two out of three 31 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:24,679 Speaker 2: from the Astros or eight and four against the Dodgers. 32 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 2: But we'll just keep the show moving. So let's let's 33 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 2: get on to some uh, some football conversation here. Looking 34 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:33,319 Speaker 2: at the games this weekend. The division is stacked, by 35 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:36,320 Speaker 2: the way, by the way, last baseball take. Don't pitch 36 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 2: the show here with Tony He's he's does he deserves 37 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 2: the Barry Bonds treatment, you guys, remember like Barry Bonds 38 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:43,919 Speaker 2: would be. I remember him getting walked like the bases 39 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 2: loaded like loading. Yeah no, don't just don't even mess 40 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 2: with him. Don't mess with him. He's on a heater, 41 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:52,279 Speaker 2: big time heater right now, All right, let's go Thursday 42 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 2: night football, buck Cowboys, Giants, Giants coming off a big game, Cowboys. 43 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 2: I don't want to use the word panic, but man, 44 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 2: there was a lot of chatter from inside that building 45 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 2: after they got hammered last week? What do you look 46 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 2: for in this ball game? 47 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 3: Man, It's amazing how quickly things change. 48 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 4: It seems like just a couple of weeks ago, we're 49 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 4: talking about the Cowboys going to the Super Bowl based 50 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:12,359 Speaker 4: on how they whooped the Cleveland Browns and they. 51 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 2: Out Cleveland's not very good. 52 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 3: Now the sky is falling. Looks it's gonna be more 53 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 3: the same for the Cowboys. 54 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 4: The Cowboys have an issue because they can't protect their 55 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 4: defense with their offense because they don't have the firepower 56 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:29,640 Speaker 4: that they once had. Cg Lamb is a great weapon 57 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:31,920 Speaker 4: to retain and they deserve I mean they needed to 58 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 4: retain him. You got Dak Prescott, but you don't have 59 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 4: enough complimentary weapons on the outside. The offensive line has 60 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 4: been a little up and down, and that's to be 61 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 4: expected when you have so many young guys kind of 62 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 4: in the mix, and so their defense actually needs to 63 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:46,800 Speaker 4: be carrying the water more so than the offense. I 64 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:49,359 Speaker 4: just don't know if they have that capability against the Giants, 65 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:52,359 Speaker 4: though they should be able to handle that because right now, 66 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:54,959 Speaker 4: the first thing we're doing is double team elite neighbors 67 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 4: and make somebody else have to win the game. But 68 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 4: you can't allow Number one to go on the perimeter 69 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 4: because he's proven that he can do it by himself. 70 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:07,679 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, Dallas can't stop anyone historically pour 71 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:10,920 Speaker 1: against the run numbers that we've never seen before. I mean, 72 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 1: they're so bad you got to reach back into the 73 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:18,080 Speaker 1: sixties and fifties. If you can't stop the run, then 74 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:23,800 Speaker 1: it changes everything because you have to change defensive concepts, philosophies, alignments, 75 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:27,239 Speaker 1: It changes how long you have the possession of the 76 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 1: football on offense, limits the amount of targets certain wide 77 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 1: receivers may get, and it just fundamentally breaks you down mentally, 78 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 1: like when a team can really whip you up front 79 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 1: offensively with the running game. 80 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 5: And I think right now we can. 81 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 1: Talk about DAK, we can talk about CDs not happy, 82 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 1: and you know, Micah Parsons and Mike McCarty down the 83 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 1: hot seat if you can't stop the run. And I 84 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 1: had an NFL somebody from a team reach out just 85 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 1: saying why did Mike Zemp, Why did they bring back 86 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 1: Mike Zember. You know, his whole thing was and this 87 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 1: is a guy for another team, just that I thought 88 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 1: that they should have gone in a different direction with 89 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 1: a younger coach and somebody who's really on the come up, 90 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 1: because he just you know, the thought was, it's not 91 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 1: getting done with zem now. 92 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 5: There's only so much ZIM can do. At some point. 93 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 1: You got to get out locks, you got to stack them, 94 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 1: shut them and make tackles. 95 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 5: Yeah. 96 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:17,920 Speaker 2: One of the things I was I was looking at 97 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 2: in this game in regards to Neighbors. One of the 98 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 2: cool things with Nick gen stats, they have all these 99 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 2: little numbers and nuggets you can pull, and I was 100 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:28,280 Speaker 2: curious about this because it looks like when you're watching it, 101 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 2: they're keeping them on the move. One of the hardest 102 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 2: things and Buck you can attest to this for these 103 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 2: young whiteouts is just getting off the line of scrimmage, 104 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:36,159 Speaker 2: even if you're you know, explosive and dynamic and quick. 105 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:38,480 Speaker 2: Just you don't see as much press coverage in college 106 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 2: as you will in the NFL. What they've done with 107 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:43,599 Speaker 2: Neighbors is put him in motion. He's been in motion 108 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:46,720 Speaker 2: thirty one snaps this year or thirty one times year 109 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 2: seventeen in motion at the snap. So those on those snaps, 110 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:53,600 Speaker 2: he's been targeted on twelve of the twenty routes when 111 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 2: used in prestap motion, he's converted that into nine for 112 00:04:56,839 --> 00:04:59,480 Speaker 2: one hundred and thirty four yards. That's twenty more than 113 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:03,279 Speaker 2: any other player. So look, finding out he's your best player, 114 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 2: that's easy that you can all, we can all see that. 115 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 2: But then finding out ways to help a young player 116 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 2: get off and get rolling. It's not just targets buck, 117 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 2: it's figuring out how to get him, get him going, 118 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:13,359 Speaker 2: get him free, get him loose. And motion does that. 119 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, Motion absolutely doesn't. 120 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:17,839 Speaker 4: And you're right, DJ, Look we can talk about the 121 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 4: x's and o's, we really just about the Jimmis and Joe's. 122 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 4: What the exes and o's are supposed to do is 123 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 4: to help the Jimmis and Joe's play better. And with 124 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:27,479 Speaker 4: Malik Neighbors, Brian do Dave All has made a concerted 125 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:32,480 Speaker 4: effort to give him opportunities to make big plays. And look, 126 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 4: we knew he was a dog competitive when he was 127 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:38,159 Speaker 4: coming out of LSU. I think we've seen all of that. 128 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 4: That team needed someone that had a little dog in 129 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:42,919 Speaker 4: them to kind of change the energy in the locker 130 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:43,799 Speaker 4: room the league. 131 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 3: Neighbors has given them. 132 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:49,160 Speaker 4: A high level playmaker who also has that culture change 133 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 4: of attitude that they needed. 134 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:54,280 Speaker 1: You know, reaching back into college for a second, I 135 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 1: remember watching studying not only Himdon Hooker, but Jalen Hyatt 136 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 1: when he came out at tennis See and one of 137 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:03,360 Speaker 1: the things that really impressed me he's a slender wide 138 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:07,599 Speaker 1: receiver who you know the question, Yeah, he's blazing fast, 139 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 1: but could he get off press. So Josh Hipel, the 140 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:12,360 Speaker 1: play caller and head coach, he started putting him in 141 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:15,039 Speaker 1: motion a lot and a lot of times. He was 142 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 1: motioning wide because he wanted to get him out wide, 143 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 1: but he wanted to have a way to keep him, 144 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:21,480 Speaker 1: as you just mentioned DJ on the move to make 145 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:24,599 Speaker 1: it more difficult, almost a running start in many regards. 146 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 1: And you've got a guy with four to three speed 147 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:29,920 Speaker 1: and elite neighbors and you're getting him on the move. 148 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 5: I mean, the job of the defensive back just got 149 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 5: that much tougher. 150 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 1: And and I do think that's I'm always interested that 151 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 1: more teams. 152 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 5: Don't use, don't use the. 153 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 1: Movement and pre snap motion to kind of create not 154 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:49,480 Speaker 1: only matchup issues because you're switching teams that don't travel corners. 155 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 1: You know, they end up switching corners on him or 156 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:55,799 Speaker 1: just giving him an opportunity to pick up a runway 157 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:57,240 Speaker 1: of speed before he gets off. 158 00:06:57,080 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 2: The Lineeah Payton Manni used to always like the static offense. 159 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:01,479 Speaker 2: He liked to be able to line up, look at 160 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 2: a defense, see what he was getting, and that's how 161 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 2: they operated. And obviously a Hall of Fame career, he 162 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:09,600 Speaker 2: was very much the minority. It helps movement, helps identify coverages. 163 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 2: It helps that make things a lot simpler for the quarterback. 164 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 2: And I saw a number the other day, just like 165 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 2: the best offenses in the leagues, of the movement offenses, 166 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 2: it's motions, it shifts. Those are the teams that are 167 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 2: having the most success. Doing a nice job with that. 168 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 2: All right, let's cherry pick some more of these games here. 169 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 2: We'll go through and grab a couple that are interesting. 170 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 2: The next one for me that I find fascinating is 171 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 2: Rams Bears Lance. We were talking the other day, Bucky 172 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 2: and I were talking with Rhett about the job that 173 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 2: McVeigh has done as a teacher to be able to 174 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 2: overcome injuries that they've had over the years, to get 175 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 2: the next guy in the lineup, and then to get 176 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 2: immediate production from them. I feel like that, you know, 177 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 2: from what we do and looking at players in the draft, 178 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 2: we can't control where they go. It sure makes it 179 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 2: a lot easier on you when you go to a 180 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 2: place like the Rams where they know how to develop 181 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 2: their guys. 182 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 5: I mean, my goodness, the job that you know. 183 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 1: I know, I remember there was a time where I 184 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 1: saw McVeigh was a good coach, but less need threw 185 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 1: away all the you know, we're going to trade the picks. 186 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 5: We're going to do this FTP. We don't need those picks. 187 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 1: And me and you know, you look now and they've 188 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 1: done some of the best work in the draft over 189 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 1: the last two or three years of any team in 190 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 1: Pro football. You've got McVeigh with the next up mentality. 191 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 1: When Cooper Cup went down, Pooka Nakub became arguably you 192 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 1: could have argued strongly that he was offensive Rookie of 193 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 1: the Year. 194 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 5: Now they gave it to the right guy, C J. 195 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 1: Stroud, and you could have given defensive Rookie of the 196 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 1: Year to Kobe Kobe Turner. 197 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 5: They made the right move and gave it to both 198 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 5: the Houston players. 199 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 2: Let's just on the record, let's geta but to keep 200 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:43,320 Speaker 2: that bread butter my city. 201 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 5: But how about that. 202 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 1: I mean, those guys were were Day two and Day 203 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 1: three picks and they're over here fighting for Rookie of 204 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 1: the Year offensively and defensively. So it's been a combination 205 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 1: of the right guys and then really growing guys up, 206 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 1: you know, growing your own. And I think it's ironic 207 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:03,440 Speaker 1: that a team, and that's what Ryan Pols is trying 208 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 1: to do too. He's trying to grow his own in Chicago. 209 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 1: You and I texted back and forth a little bit 210 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:12,320 Speaker 1: on Sunday. I was mentioning a little bit about Caleb Williams. 211 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:14,440 Speaker 1: I thought, Kaylen Williams is the second half. This is 212 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:17,320 Speaker 1: a really interesting game because can the Rams do it 213 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:21,320 Speaker 1: again with the injuries they have and can they continue 214 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 1: to ride this momentum? But also Caleb Williams I thought 215 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 1: the second half of that game against the Colts really 216 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 1: started to come on. There were some moments where I said, oh, now, 217 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 1: this is what I saw at USC for the first time. 218 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 1: And it's only game three, so that's you know, that's 219 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 1: kind of normal. So I got a feeling we're going 220 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:39,960 Speaker 1: to start seeing a different Caleb Williams moving forward, which 221 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 1: I think makes this a really intriguing game. I like 222 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:46,959 Speaker 1: Chicago on this one. I think it's time for them 223 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 1: to get right. But man, you keep picking against the 224 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 1: Rams and you will absolutely go bust because, man, do 225 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:53,959 Speaker 1: they get it done. 226 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:56,960 Speaker 4: They do get it in now. I think Sean mvay 227 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:59,200 Speaker 4: is just such a brilliant coach. He's kind of figured 228 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 4: out how to do more with less and getting their 229 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 4: young players on. I think that is underrated in terms 230 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 4: of the development process with the I would say this 231 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 4: the third round of later guys. They've been able to 232 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 4: get a lot of unherded guys on the field early. 233 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 4: For the Bears, though, I just want to see them 234 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:18,680 Speaker 4: take a little a little bit off Caleb Williams play. 235 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:21,080 Speaker 4: I feel like he's having to do so much so early, 236 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 4: like fifty plus pass attempts, throwing it all over the yard, 237 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:27,199 Speaker 4: and while he's talented enough obviously to handle that, I 238 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 4: don't know if, like from a maturation standpoint, I don't 239 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 4: know if that's the best way to go about it. 240 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:35,959 Speaker 4: Like we saw CJ have a lot of attempts early, 241 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:37,840 Speaker 4: they scaled it down and then his game kind of 242 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 4: took off and as he got better, they put more 243 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:42,720 Speaker 4: on his play I feel like the Bears are kind 244 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:44,559 Speaker 4: of treating him like as a ten year vet, even 245 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 4: though he's three games into his NFL career. 246 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:50,560 Speaker 2: Remember, we're all about the same age at Lance, maybe 247 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 2: a decade older. But when you look at our childhood 248 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 2: growing up, we had things which the younger generation, Unfortunately, 249 00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:58,679 Speaker 2: I don't think he's been exposed to called a teeter 250 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 2: totter on the playground. Do you remember those things? Lance? 251 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 2: Lance is seeing this in black and white right now. 252 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 2: But so the teeter totter, right, you go up, you 253 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 2: go down, and then you get somebody that's if you 254 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 2: can find the kid that's just the same exact size 255 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 2: as you, you just keep that thing perfectly straight. So 256 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:18,840 Speaker 2: with all I feel like all this negativity and turmoil 257 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:22,560 Speaker 2: on Caleb, the Bears expectations that if they win this 258 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 2: week against the Rams at home, a winnable game, they're 259 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:28,319 Speaker 2: two and two, they're two and two, they've kind of 260 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:30,679 Speaker 2: leveled things out. I think everything calms down. I think 261 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 2: some of that that pressure that is starting to build, 262 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 2: that noise, yeah, buck, that's the right word. I think 263 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 2: that kind of calms down. And I think once that 264 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 2: calms down, I think you'll see I think you'll see 265 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 2: the better version of Caleb Williams. But on the other 266 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:45,720 Speaker 2: side of it, Buck, they lose this game, they're you know, 267 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 2: all of a sudden, now you're one and three. It 268 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 2: feels like man not toxic, but they'll just be especially 269 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 2: with Jayden Daniel's doing his thing. I think the noise 270 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 2: gonna get real loud. 271 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 3: I mean it is, It's gonna get loud. 272 00:11:57,040 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 4: And I don't care what anyone says every these no 273 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 4: one's immune to it. Like you hear the noise. Uh, 274 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 4: they have to hear and see what's going on in Washington. 275 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 4: They know that the conversations and the comparisons are coming. 276 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:12,599 Speaker 4: And so not that you're saying you do this to 277 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 4: shut off the noise, but maybe you can learn from 278 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 4: what Washington is doing. A little less is more. You give 279 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 4: your playmaker an opportunity to make plays, but you don't 280 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:22,559 Speaker 4: have to just lean on him entirely. 281 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 2: Uh. 282 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 4: If they do that, they have a chance to get 283 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 4: him back on track, and then they get a win 284 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 4: and they're right where they need to. 285 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:30,200 Speaker 2: Be, no no doubt. Go ahead, Lance, Well. 286 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:31,679 Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, you know, I think that's 287 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 1: I think This is where eber Flus and Ryan Poles 288 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 1: have got to do their jobs, which is manage manage 289 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 1: the internal processing of the external noise. Because I mean, 290 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 1: to me, this is all These are the silliest conversations, 291 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 1: and they're all true. But much of this has been 292 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:51,840 Speaker 1: the expectations and people freaking out is because of outside. 293 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:54,440 Speaker 1: Not one of us used to fray. I doubt that 294 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 1: one of us stood on the table and said Caleb 295 00:12:57,080 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 1: Williams is a generational quarterback, because you may say he 296 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:04,319 Speaker 1: has some generational potential, or he does this or that well. 297 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:07,720 Speaker 1: But this phrase generational has been thrown out so much lately, 298 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 1: and the hype surrounding Caleb and Drake May headed. I 299 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 1: remember watching the tape and I finished, Drake Man, like what, 300 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 1: this guy's not even close to Jayden Daniels this year? 301 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:19,559 Speaker 1: Like what I've been hearing that it's for sure Caleb, 302 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 1: and then it's Drake May. That's what all the outside 303 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 1: people have been telling me when I get to the tape. 304 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 1: Then I watched Caleb Williams like Jade and Daniels had 305 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 1: a better senior year than Caleb Williams, And really there 306 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 1: was no debating that you could argued bo Nix had 307 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 1: a better senior year than Caleb Williams. So I think 308 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 1: that the outside noise is what created and the outrageous expectations. 309 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 1: But I actually, after watching every one of the Chicago 310 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 1: Bears games this year, I come away thinking, Okay, he's 311 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:49,720 Speaker 1: on pace for what he needs to do. They're going 312 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:51,640 Speaker 1: to be fine. I wouldn't panic one single bit if 313 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 1: I were the Chicago Bears. You know, the thing that 314 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 1: really impressed me last week is he tried to play 315 00:13:56,520 --> 00:14:00,560 Speaker 1: on schedule. He was trying harder to and you know, 316 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 1: and I think the last two weeks he's done a 317 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 1: much better job bucket of trying to be the guy 318 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:09,200 Speaker 1: that he needs to be. And that doesn't happen overnight. 319 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 3: No, it doesn't happen overnight. And you're right. 320 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 4: I think the big thing for him, he's so used 321 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 4: to kind of making every play in college, just kind 322 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 4: of running around, and it kind of reminded me a 323 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 4: lot of like Russell Wilson at times. You see, Russell 324 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 4: had these crazy scrambles in Seattle when he was younger 325 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 4: and ended up making a play For Caleb. I would 326 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 4: like him to stay in the pocket and be more 327 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 4: of an on time, on target playmaker as opposed to 328 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 4: the improvisational magician that he can be, because if you 329 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:42,400 Speaker 4: can learn how to play on time, he's not looking 330 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 4: to for serve his body, but he's going to make 331 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 4: it harder on the defense because when he does flee 332 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 4: the pocket, it's going to be a little bit of 333 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 4: the surprise, much like Pat Mahomes surprises people with these 334 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 4: fifteen and twenty yard scrambles in the postseason when you 335 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 4: see him kind of like, hey, I'll do whatever it 336 00:14:57,920 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 4: takes to win. 337 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 2: The last button up on this On the bare side 338 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 2: of things, one of the positive developments I think you're 339 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 2: going to see is Caleb to throw on time, you 340 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 2: got to have trust, right Buck, You got to have 341 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 2: trust in faith Lance. And when you look at Caleb 342 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:14,640 Speaker 2: and Lance, the reason why I was so high on KiB, 343 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 2: I din't use a word generational, but the reason why 344 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 2: I personally loved him so much is because of what 345 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 2: I saw the year before and that version of Caleb 346 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 2: Williams from his first year at USC. That version is 347 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 2: what got everybody fired up. And if you go back 348 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 2: to that version, he had a guy in Jordan Addison 349 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 2: that he had supreme confidence and trust in a first 350 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 2: round caliber receiver. He knew where he was going to 351 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 2: be and that allowed him to have the confidence to 352 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 2: throw with more anticipation. And if you saw Roma dunsa 353 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 2: and what he did last week, and that trust is 354 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 2: starting to grow here, that is going to be a 355 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 2: major factor for Caleb go I throw it on time, 356 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 2: throw it on time. Well, if I don't trust that 357 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 2: we're on the same page, that's a chemistry thing that 358 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 2: takes time. And it looks like that was a breakthrough 359 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 2: with Roma Dunzey last week. 360 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 1: And Cole commit And anytime you have a tight end 361 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 1: you're willing to throw to, it makes your job easier 362 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 1: as a young quarterback. 363 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 5: Co Comt had a big game, Roman Donzey looked great. 364 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 1: And then you know they they get Roshawn Johnson back 365 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 1: to start to be the pounder that sometimes Swift DeAndre 366 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 1: Swift isn't. But I think they really are a year 367 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 1: away from drafting more offensive line. But I mean just 368 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 1: quite quite honestly, I think the left tackle you can 369 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 1: upgrade Braxton. 370 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 5: I think you need to get better now either to 371 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 5: be honest, No, no. 372 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 1: He really hasn't. I don't think he's going anywhere anytime soon. 373 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 1: But Ryan Poles can really settle in on offensive line 374 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 1: free agency and and in the draft, and I think 375 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 1: that'll make a big difference because the weapons are there, 376 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 1: there's there, there are reasons that he should feel. As 377 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 1: you mentioned, Dan, you use the word faith, you can 378 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 1: have faith and throwing it up to a Dounze probably 379 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 1: more than any wide receiver who came out of this. 380 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 2: Draft Neil and look, Keenan not having been out there 381 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 2: has been a factor as well, and hadn't been healthy. 382 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 2: So all right, let's take a break, we come back, 383 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 2: We'll get to the game the week, we'll hit on 384 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 2: a couple more games as well. 385 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 4: It's time for the Game of the Week, presented by 386 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 4: DraftKings Sportsbook. This week it's the Minnesota Vikings taken on 387 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:07,679 Speaker 4: the Green Bay Packers. The spread is minus three favorite 388 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:11,639 Speaker 4: the Packers. The over under is forty three and a half. 389 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 4: Great game to discuss, Lzie, what are your thoughts? 390 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 1: Well, you know, I think if we're not going to 391 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 1: talk about cider total, we're just gonna talk about the game. 392 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 1: I think you have to. I think you first. I 393 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 1: always like to straddle that line here with the NFL. 394 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:29,480 Speaker 1: I'm never sure what I can say on that one. 395 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:34,400 Speaker 1: I watched Minnesota against San Francisco and then I watched 396 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:35,159 Speaker 1: them against Houston. 397 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 5: So you're talking about two offenses that. 398 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:41,159 Speaker 1: Come from that Shanahan coaching tree and offensive style, and 399 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:44,119 Speaker 1: I mean he messed it up for both teams. Flores 400 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:48,920 Speaker 1: was all over the quarterbacks. I think Minnesota right now. 401 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 1: When you look at Minnesota and here's another offense where 402 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:54,679 Speaker 1: I mean it's it's Green Bay, it comes from that 403 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:56,879 Speaker 1: same tree. So you wonder, can he do it for 404 00:17:56,920 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 1: three weeks in a row? Is he going to be 405 00:17:58,560 --> 00:17:59,880 Speaker 1: able to do it for three weeks in a row? 406 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 1: I thought, I thought, you know, Malik Willis did a 407 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 1: great job last week of getting that win on the road. 408 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 1: But Sam Donald is just a different player right now 409 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:14,880 Speaker 1: that he has that not a lot is expected of him. 410 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 1: I mean, this may be maybe a little different version 411 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:21,639 Speaker 1: of it, but maybe we're seeing another another version of 412 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:25,240 Speaker 1: a Baker Mayfield where a guy later in his career 413 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:26,440 Speaker 1: is able. 414 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:29,040 Speaker 5: To be an. 415 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:31,000 Speaker 1: Offense manager, have some good play calling, good talent around him, 416 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:34,720 Speaker 1: all of a sudden he's comfortable and he becomes you know, 417 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:37,840 Speaker 1: maybe in the same I don't want to say he's 418 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 1: going to be I'm not gonna say Sam Donald's going 419 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 1: to be what I expected him to be. The Sam 420 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:44,720 Speaker 1: Donald I saw last week es capability in the pocket, 421 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 1: could throw with some accuracy. I thought Sam Donald was 422 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 1: really good. I think Green Bay's got their hands full 423 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:53,880 Speaker 1: on this one because this is justin. Jefferson's the same 424 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 1: guy he always is, really really talented. Jalen Naylor gives 425 00:18:57,560 --> 00:18:59,920 Speaker 1: you a deep threat. But I think right now, defensive, 426 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:02,480 Speaker 1: I did not expect Jonathan Garnard, and he was great 427 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 1: in Houston last year, but I did not expect Jonathan 428 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:08,359 Speaker 1: Garnard to have this level of impact. I would say 429 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:11,680 Speaker 1: there's a potential that Grenard has upgraded the rush over 430 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:15,160 Speaker 1: Danil Hunter. Houston just swapped out those rushers right now, 431 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 1: Gernard's getting after the pocket better. 432 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:17,240 Speaker 5: Than Hunter is. 433 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 4: You know, it's funny you talked about that, right You 434 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 4: talked about Bernard and the Minnesota Vikings and those things, 435 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:26,399 Speaker 4: and I don't think you talked about the Minnesota Vikings 436 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:28,640 Speaker 4: without talking about Brian Flores and what he's been able 437 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 4: to do with that unique and clever scheme. You talked 438 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 4: about the way he's unleashed Jonathan Garnard and how he's 439 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 4: been so dominant. But it's also the way that they're 440 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 4: able to kind of create those favorable matchups at the 441 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 4: point of attack by all that pre snap disguise, post 442 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 4: snap movement where you have no idea who's who and 443 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 4: what's what. And there are times where CJ. Strow I 444 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 4: had to be saying to himself, I have no idea 445 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 4: what coverage you're in. They show up one thing and 446 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 4: they completely get to another thing from unlikely positions. Harrison 447 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:01,679 Speaker 4: Smith is at the line of scrimmage, but then he 448 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:03,879 Speaker 4: gets to the post, which you're not supposed to be 449 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 4: able to do. This is a very difficult defense. And 450 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 4: as much as I talk about the skinematics, the ever 451 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:11,399 Speaker 4: they played with, the attitude that they played with, in 452 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 4: the physicality that shows up on tape, man it has 453 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:18,200 Speaker 4: all the Brian Floyd's fingertips and fingerprints. 454 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:21,399 Speaker 2: All on a couple things here. As we're recording this, 455 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 2: it's not for sure when Jordan Love is back and 456 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:25,359 Speaker 2: going to play could be in this ball game, So 457 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 2: I do want to give him Alik Willis his love 458 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:30,359 Speaker 2: before he ends up handing the baton back to Jordan 459 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 2: love So went back pulled up his report here from 460 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:36,920 Speaker 2: my report. I know Lancey got one as well. But thick, 461 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 2: sturdy quarterback, elite arm strength and playmaking ability, quick feet 462 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 2: in the set up. Those from a wide firm base 463 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:44,919 Speaker 2: usually releases the ball out of a three quarter slot 464 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 2: and they'll jump out of his hand. He can come. 465 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:49,720 Speaker 2: He generates incredible RPMs and flashes. The ability to fit 466 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:53,119 Speaker 2: balls and tight windows. Accuracy is inconsistent at times he 467 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 2: gets too wide with his feet, the ball sales to 468 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 2: the perimeter shown the ability to change ball speed, but 469 00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:00,919 Speaker 2: he can improve on those layer throws. Misses out on 470 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:04,440 Speaker 2: some completions because it's just too flat. He's effective extending 471 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:06,680 Speaker 2: and creating against pressure, which he faced a ton of. 472 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 4: Uh. 473 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 2: He's outstanding on draws, powers and zone reads as a runner, 474 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:12,880 Speaker 2: has burst and pulls, thy tackles. Overall, will is still 475 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 2: a work in progress, but he has the most upside 476 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 2: of any QB in this class. So you looked at 477 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:21,919 Speaker 2: just taking time, and I feel like, man, he obviously 478 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:24,600 Speaker 2: wasn't afforded the time there in Tennessee. Now he's gotten 479 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:28,399 Speaker 2: a much better situation. You mentioned it, lance about the 480 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:31,480 Speaker 2: Baker Mayfield comparison with Sam With Sam Donald, I talked 481 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:34,680 Speaker 2: to Kevin O'Connell, you know, right after right after night 482 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 2: one of the draft, after they had taken JJ McCarthy, 483 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:38,720 Speaker 2: and he had said he had already met with Sam 484 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 2: and told him, look, Sam, this is you're gonna be 485 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 2: the guy. You're going to have your Baker Mayfield year. 486 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 2: This is going to get you right, and then it's 487 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 2: gonna sit. Then we're going to have you know, then 488 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:49,399 Speaker 2: we're in a good spot with where we are and 489 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:51,920 Speaker 2: having JJ's young guy, you're going to get rolling. He had. 490 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:54,600 Speaker 2: He was supremely confident that Sam Donald was going to 491 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:57,400 Speaker 2: play really, really well because of the resources they had 492 00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 2: around him, and that's exactly what's happened. He's got over too. 493 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 2: He's got two two plus touchdowns in each game this year. 494 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 2: He's been excellent. When you look at Malik Willis, though, 495 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:08,520 Speaker 2: just again to give him his love. You talked about 496 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:11,399 Speaker 2: Flores and he'll probably get heated up. He's been blits 497 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 2: forty percent of his dropbacks this season, second most in 498 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 2: the league. Malik Willis has those In those, he's completed 499 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 2: eight to thirteen for ninety four yards and a touchdown 500 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:24,160 Speaker 2: and just taking one sack. So this is something even 501 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 2: though Flores disguises it and they have a good group, 502 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 2: it's not like, you know, anybody else's has been just 503 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:31,359 Speaker 2: laying back and rushing for against Malik Willis. This is 504 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:33,200 Speaker 2: something he's seen since he got on the field. 505 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:37,159 Speaker 4: Buck Yeah, absolutely, and give them credit and GZ. We 506 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:40,640 Speaker 4: always talk about the things that are essential for young quarterbacks. 507 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:42,800 Speaker 4: We've talked about the three p's, We talked about the 508 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:45,440 Speaker 4: play caller, the playmakers around him, and then the past 509 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:48,000 Speaker 4: protectors that keep him clean in the pocket and what 510 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:50,680 Speaker 4: we have seen, all of those things have helped Malik 511 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:54,360 Speaker 4: Willis play at a high level. Loo can't say enough 512 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 4: about the job that Matt Lafleur has done tweeked almost 513 00:22:57,359 --> 00:23:00,960 Speaker 4: overall the offense quickly to allow Malik Willis to utilize 514 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 4: his athleticism. We've seen some power reads, some zone ring 515 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:05,720 Speaker 4: stuff to put the ball in his hands on the perimeter, 516 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:09,920 Speaker 4: the passing game, the playmakers around really stepping up, those 517 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 4: young unherded playmakers from the Packers doing what they do 518 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 4: and what they continued to do for joy and love 519 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 4: first and now for Elik Willis, and then the offensive 520 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 4: line has kept him upright, He's not taking shots. 521 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:22,760 Speaker 3: And I would say that this. 522 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:25,840 Speaker 4: Version of Malik Willis is a version that every scout 523 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:28,679 Speaker 4: and vision when they thought about what he could be 524 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:31,359 Speaker 4: at the next level. So have an opportunity to potentially 525 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:35,160 Speaker 4: watch him against the Minnesota Vikings should be fine. 526 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 3: Are you gonna reach your report? Yeah? 527 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:39,720 Speaker 2: Lance, you want to jump in there, go ahead, Well, yeah, 528 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:40,440 Speaker 2: I just I. 529 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 5: Was looking at at the end of mine. 530 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:43,960 Speaker 1: It just says on the pro level, additional film work 531 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,879 Speaker 1: and a layered pro style passing attack could allow for 532 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,520 Speaker 1: more focused reads and help him see the field faster 533 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:52,479 Speaker 1: and more clearly. Play callers must lean into a special 534 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,160 Speaker 1: get into what Bucky said, play callers must lean into 535 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:58,200 Speaker 1: a special talent as a runner and include called runs 536 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 1: into the game plan. Even if Willis failed to reach 537 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 1: his passing potential, running ability doesn't slump, and he has 538 00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 1: the talent to produce on the ground at a level 539 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 1: between Hurts and Jackson. You know, I think this is 540 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:12,400 Speaker 1: the perfect offence form from a passing standpoint. And this 541 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 1: is what makes what Brian Floores is doing so great 542 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 1: is that we all know. You know this this scheme 543 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:22,960 Speaker 1: for CJ. Stroud, for Tua for Purdy, we see for 544 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 1: Jordan Love. It's it's worked for Sam Darnold. Now, that's 545 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:30,159 Speaker 1: why what Flores has done, That's why you cannot you 546 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 1: really can't emphasize this enough. What he's done so far 547 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:37,639 Speaker 1: against those offenses, those players and that talent is really 548 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:40,119 Speaker 1: really spectacular. Now, somebody pointed out he did that to 549 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:44,160 Speaker 1: Detroit the first time last year, and also green Bay 550 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:46,200 Speaker 1: the first time, and then the second time. 551 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:47,240 Speaker 5: Around they were all better. 552 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 1: But I don't know these the way the teams are 553 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:53,720 Speaker 1: shelling up and taking away the explosive plays, like you know, 554 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:57,120 Speaker 1: I think there's I think we're seeing a fundamental shift. 555 00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,639 Speaker 1: I know it's a longer discussion, but the amount of 556 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:02,320 Speaker 1: rush in attacks, we're seeing the amount of the deep 557 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:04,399 Speaker 1: balls that are being taken away, it's I feel like 558 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:06,960 Speaker 1: we're seeing a fundamental shift and how defenses are going 559 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 1: to play offenses moving forward. 560 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:11,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's part of the revolution and you're continue to 561 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 3: see it. 562 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:15,120 Speaker 4: As we talked about the game being cyclical, the more 563 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:17,280 Speaker 4: the running game comes back, the more likely we are 564 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 4: to get the deep ball coming back, because you got 565 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:21,399 Speaker 4: to lure the safety to the line of scrimmage before 566 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,880 Speaker 4: you can throw it over the top. Download the Draft 567 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:27,359 Speaker 4: King Sportsbook app now and use code MTS. New customers 568 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:30,200 Speaker 4: can bet just five bucks to get two hundred dollars 569 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:34,080 Speaker 4: in bonus bets only on Draft Kings Sportsbook with code MTS. 570 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:35,800 Speaker 3: The crown is yours. 571 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:39,159 Speaker 2: All right, we're going to tackle one more game, and 572 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:41,719 Speaker 2: then if you will tune in tomorrow, we'll have some 573 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 2: more of these games previewed. But let's let's get through 574 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:45,400 Speaker 2: one more game right here. 575 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:46,720 Speaker 5: Lance. 576 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,720 Speaker 2: We look at the Broncos and the Jets. I was 577 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:54,359 Speaker 2: talking to someone about the Jets who's been around this 578 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:58,920 Speaker 2: organization for a very long time, and he said, we've 579 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,320 Speaker 2: never had a quarter performance like the one we had 580 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:04,680 Speaker 2: from Aaron Rodgers. There's been some good, good plays, good moments, 581 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 2: but he's like, that's what I guess, that's what it 582 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 2: must feel like when you just see not even just competent, 583 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:16,119 Speaker 2: like outstanding, like pro Bowl level quarterback play, they just 584 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:19,239 Speaker 2: have never had it there. And it's like, look, if 585 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:21,960 Speaker 2: you look around the league, we've talked a lot about 586 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,240 Speaker 2: these young quarterbacks. You were just mentioning about the too 587 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 2: high show. You're seeing take away big plays, make teams 588 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:30,120 Speaker 2: methodically move the ball down the field and young quarterbacks, 589 00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:31,879 Speaker 2: that's a tall order for them. They can't, you know, 590 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,920 Speaker 2: they just don't have the catalog of plays and experience 591 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:38,080 Speaker 2: to be able to do that. How and the exodus 592 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:40,399 Speaker 2: of a lot of these top tier quarterbacks over the 593 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:43,800 Speaker 2: quarterback drain over the last four years, there's not many 594 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 2: ogs left with all of that knowledge and ability, and 595 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:50,560 Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers is one of them. So if they can 596 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:52,920 Speaker 2: get this version that we just saw of Aaron Rodgers, 597 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:55,760 Speaker 2: I think all the hype about the Jets over the 598 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 2: last couple of years, I think it might actually be 599 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:01,960 Speaker 2: justified lance if we see that version of Aaron Rodgers. 600 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,360 Speaker 1: So when we have to make our predictions, I had 601 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:09,000 Speaker 1: the Jets winning the division, but I'm trying to remember 602 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:13,000 Speaker 1: if I had them winning the super Bowl. Oh is 603 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,040 Speaker 1: either I may had them losing in the Super Bowl. 604 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,159 Speaker 1: And the reason is because I just never believed that 605 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:21,200 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers wasn't the same guy from a passing standpoint. Now, 606 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,840 Speaker 1: after the first week, I was like, uh, scratch this, 607 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:25,560 Speaker 1: scratch his prediction. 608 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 5: But after last week, the arms still there. 609 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:30,119 Speaker 1: I don't know, do you guys feel like he's the 610 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,919 Speaker 1: most I feel like I feel very comfortable in saying 611 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:35,879 Speaker 1: of all the quarterbacks I've seen in my life, and 612 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:41,199 Speaker 1: I was younger watching John Elway, but I think that 613 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:46,560 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers is the most talented quarterback I've ever seen play. Yeah, 614 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,919 Speaker 1: but he also DJ has not only pocket presence and 615 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 1: pocket mobility, he can get outside of the pocket and 616 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 1: and make those throws as well. Like what more do 617 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,959 Speaker 1: you need to you don't think he's the most talented 618 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:01,320 Speaker 1: will package. 619 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 2: I would say, I think Mahomes can do some things 620 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:06,639 Speaker 2: that Aaron can't do. 621 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:10,560 Speaker 4: Okay, Yeah, And I would say I would say, going 622 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:12,560 Speaker 4: back to when we were scouting to West Coast DJ, 623 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:14,880 Speaker 4: because you you did this draft, that's right when its 624 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,720 Speaker 4: Devin Alex Smith. The think when I when I graded him, 625 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 4: I gave him a boy, a bottom of the first 626 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,800 Speaker 4: round grade because the version that we saw in college, 627 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:26,919 Speaker 4: you didn't see him doing the stufffferent like he was. 628 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,440 Speaker 4: He was a like it sat on the shoulder. It 629 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,160 Speaker 4: was very methodical. His approach under Jeff. 630 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:37,520 Speaker 2: Teff more mechanical, and you didn't see the athleticism. 631 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 4: And I would say the special stuff that he uh, 632 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 4: I guess unleashed or discovered during his time in Green 633 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,840 Speaker 4: bag the thing about the OG's playing now, and Tom 634 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:48,680 Speaker 4: Brady said it as he was near the end of 635 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,040 Speaker 4: his career. He was like, why would I get out 636 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:54,080 Speaker 4: now when the game is so easy for me? These 637 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:59,640 Speaker 4: guys have such a catalog of plays and memories and 638 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:03,479 Speaker 4: now of what they're facing that it is easy. 639 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:05,800 Speaker 3: And so even a diminished. 640 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,320 Speaker 4: Version of Aaron Rodgers, where he may not have the 641 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:10,840 Speaker 4: movement skills that he had a couple of years ago, 642 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:12,720 Speaker 4: he may not have the arm talent that he had, 643 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 4: he still can function at a high level with his 644 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:16,960 Speaker 4: mind being. 645 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,000 Speaker 3: The driving force more so than his physical skills. 646 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,360 Speaker 5: Well, and the placement is still you. 647 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:27,160 Speaker 2: Know, throws. Nobody's ever been better at up and down never. 648 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:29,040 Speaker 1: And when I think about it, I think that there's 649 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:32,920 Speaker 1: going to be three quarterbacks that everyone will I think 650 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:34,880 Speaker 1: you're seeing it now. There's three quarterbacks that come to 651 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:40,440 Speaker 1: mind that the players moving forward will be influenced by, 652 00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:43,360 Speaker 1: whether they know it or not, in the future, and. 653 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:44,640 Speaker 5: It's Aaron Rodgers. 654 00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,400 Speaker 1: So we've alreadys seen this with Malik Willis, and we've 655 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 1: seen this with Zach Wilson. We've seen guys who want 656 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 1: to emulate the trick shot stuff Matthew Stafford because you 657 00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,760 Speaker 1: look at Pat Mahomes and it's like that was as 658 00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:01,200 Speaker 1: Matt Stafford and I read growing up. He was a 659 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:03,959 Speaker 1: big fan of Matt Stafford. Matt Stafford was an arm 660 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,960 Speaker 1: angled guy a long time ago. And then I think 661 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson will be the other guy where players will 662 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,160 Speaker 1: look at Lamar and see, Okay. 663 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 5: I can now. 664 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,440 Speaker 1: They may be there may be guys like Jayden Daniels 665 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 1: who are better passers I think than Lamar, But I 666 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:23,320 Speaker 1: think those three guys Matt Stafford, Aaron Rodgers, and well 667 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:26,200 Speaker 1: of course, and I'm leaving out Mahomes only because Mahomes 668 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:28,280 Speaker 1: is the answer. But I think Mahomes was kind of 669 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 1: derived a little bit from Matthew Stafford with some of 670 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:33,560 Speaker 1: his throwing stuff. But I guess, I guess you have 671 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,480 Speaker 1: to say at this point, you have to say Pat Mahomes. 672 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:41,479 Speaker 1: I mean, we've got We've got Reola's son, Dylan Riola. 673 00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:44,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, gosh, that's kind of freaky. It's kind of freaking 674 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:45,280 Speaker 2: me out how much he's trying to. 675 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:50,440 Speaker 5: He is a mirror image. It is. It is crazy. 676 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,240 Speaker 5: It is single white females, the movie from the early nineties. 677 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:58,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, I remember, but it is very similar to Kobe 678 00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:01,760 Speaker 4: and MJ. Like they yeah, idolize them so much. They 679 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,440 Speaker 4: loved him so much that the mannaverisms became theirs and 680 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,280 Speaker 4: they don't even realize it. He may not even realize 681 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:10,520 Speaker 4: how much of the Pat Mahomes things he's put on because. 682 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 2: He's at the haircut, he's got the everything about it. 683 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:18,240 Speaker 4: He has become him, like he is morphed into him. 684 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:21,800 Speaker 4: And look, it's fun to watch. He is talented though, 685 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:24,160 Speaker 4: I mean, he is a really talented person. I can't 686 00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:27,240 Speaker 4: wait to watch him grow. But it's fun to see. 687 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:28,760 Speaker 4: To put a bow on that. 688 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:31,200 Speaker 2: Talking about what Brady was talking about, you guys are 689 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:35,320 Speaker 2: just mentioning that we're coming up on October and Halloween. 690 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:37,800 Speaker 2: So if you grew up and you had those little 691 00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:39,920 Speaker 2: like a corn maze, right, you have the hate, you 692 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,000 Speaker 2: have the stacks of hay, and it's a maze to 693 00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,800 Speaker 2: get through, the analogy I would use is like, Okay, 694 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 2: who would you pick to get through the maze? Is 695 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,320 Speaker 2: it the guy who runs the fastest? You're like, no, 696 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:52,000 Speaker 2: it's the guy who's been through that maze one hundred times. 697 00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:53,720 Speaker 2: He can walk through the maze and get to the 698 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:55,640 Speaker 2: finish line before the guy who's sprinting in all the 699 00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,400 Speaker 2: wrong directions, Like at some point in time, it's like, 700 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,120 Speaker 2: that's just the that's just the history and the knowledge, 701 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,240 Speaker 2: as long as they still are upright and can still walk. 702 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,360 Speaker 2: That's why Aaron Rodgers I think is making the Jets 703 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:08,240 Speaker 2: a dangerous team. But I do want to get over 704 00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:10,320 Speaker 2: real quick. Buck to the other side with the with 705 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,240 Speaker 2: the Broncos. Was this kind of a light comes on? 706 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:15,360 Speaker 2: You know, with bow Knicks and this offense and Sean 707 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 2: Payton last week against the gosh what were they played 708 00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 2: last week where he played? So it is Tampa that 709 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:24,520 Speaker 2: was on the road. Big win, Yeah, big win. 710 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,360 Speaker 4: And here's the thing that we know about coaches and 711 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,240 Speaker 4: we also know about players, tremendous amount of pride. The 712 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:32,479 Speaker 4: week before they were starting, people were talking about him. 713 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:37,000 Speaker 4: They were really uh, disparaging marks about bow Knicks, but 714 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,880 Speaker 4: everyone was on Sean Payton for his handpack guy and 715 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:43,000 Speaker 4: why wasn't it working. You give Sean Payton an opportunity 716 00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:45,360 Speaker 4: to go back in the lab to reassess what went wrong, 717 00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:47,720 Speaker 4: to build a plan deep his quarterback. 718 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:50,880 Speaker 3: That's what you get. On Sunday we saw the best 719 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:51,800 Speaker 3: version of bow. 720 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,920 Speaker 4: Knicks, And in fact, DJ I looked at that, and 721 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:58,560 Speaker 4: I make this comparison just because it makes sense to 722 00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:00,360 Speaker 4: me when it comes to Sean pay and in his 723 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,920 Speaker 4: influence on Drew Brees, bo Knicks is not Drew Brees. 724 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,200 Speaker 4: But I believe that Sean Payton could look at the 725 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:09,200 Speaker 4: tape when he was at Oregon and squint and see 726 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,400 Speaker 4: bow Knicks doing some of the stuff that Drew Brees 727 00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,320 Speaker 4: did for years for the Saints, and he could replicate 728 00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:17,520 Speaker 4: the game plan would allow this team to be success 729 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:18,320 Speaker 4: in different. 730 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,320 Speaker 2: So I'll push back on this part of it because 731 00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:25,040 Speaker 2: I think when he watched him, he saw I can 732 00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:29,160 Speaker 2: get seventy percent of Drew Brees and then I can 733 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:32,920 Speaker 2: get twenty five percent of Taysom Hill, and I can 734 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,680 Speaker 2: put all that into one body, and I have plays 735 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:37,960 Speaker 2: that I've run and designed for each of those guys, 736 00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:39,720 Speaker 2: and I can do a little bit of the TASM 737 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,320 Speaker 2: not all the Taysom Hill stuff. I can do at 738 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:44,080 Speaker 2: a little the Taysom Hill stuff, and I can do 739 00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:45,960 Speaker 2: a little bit of the Drew Brees stuff. One person. 740 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:48,720 Speaker 4: I never would have put that together, but that makes 741 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:53,160 Speaker 4: sense because the mobility, the athleticism that bow Knicks brings 742 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,080 Speaker 4: and his ability to run and get on the perimeter 743 00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,560 Speaker 4: and do some things. It is a different dimension. And 744 00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:00,000 Speaker 4: you're right, he has a couple of pick cats. Says 745 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,520 Speaker 4: he likes the pet kid that he loves his Drew Brees. 746 00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:05,240 Speaker 4: But there's always like a little kiddy corner for Tasoon 747 00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:08,560 Speaker 4: Meal because he's going to make Taso quarterback. So now 748 00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,960 Speaker 4: you put those together, you're right. He's very, very excited 749 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,040 Speaker 4: and happy about what he's getting from Bicks. 750 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,239 Speaker 1: Another great spot though, like bow Knicks couldn't have gone 751 00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,520 Speaker 1: to a better spot than than Sean Payton. 752 00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:20,600 Speaker 5: It was perfect for him. 753 00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:24,319 Speaker 1: I think JJ McCarthy was perfect with uh uh, you 754 00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:26,120 Speaker 1: won't see it this year, but JJ over there with 755 00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:28,799 Speaker 1: Kevin O'Connell was perfect, and I think Jayden Daniels with 756 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:30,960 Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury. And it's something we didn't you know, you 757 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:32,160 Speaker 1: guys may have already talked about it. 758 00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:32,439 Speaker 3: I haven't. 759 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:34,200 Speaker 2: No, we're gonna do that on tomorrow's show, So put 760 00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:35,040 Speaker 2: put a pin in that. 761 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:38,600 Speaker 1: We'll talk about We'll talk about that guy because wow, 762 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:41,040 Speaker 1: is he impressive. 763 00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,600 Speaker 2: How's that for a tease? That's it. We're done. Here 764 00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:46,919 Speaker 2: we'll pick up with that little teas that Lance left 765 00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,440 Speaker 2: you on tomorrow's show, so be on the lookout for that. 766 00:34:49,440 --> 00:35:01,640 Speaker 2: We'll see you next time. Right here on, move the sticks, 767 00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:09,480 Speaker 2: he tends to before