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Speaker 1: Coming to you live from the NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis.

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Speaker 1: This is Cleveland Brown's Daily on eight fifty ESPN. Cleveland

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Speaker 1: Here are your hosts, Bo Bishop and Nathan Zigura. Oh kids,

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Speaker 1: do we have a big one for you today? Nathan

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Speaker 1: Zigura and Gibba Olah Gibbe live from Indianapolis, the twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty three NFL Scouting Combine. Of course, it is Cleveland

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Speaker 1: coming soon to Ohio and Gibbe. This is gonna be,

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Speaker 1: you know, our final show from Indie. But you talk

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Speaker 1: Jordan Reed from ESPN. He's gonna come your way today

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Speaker 1: beat Daniel Jeremiah from NFL Network. And then in the

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Speaker 1: two o'clock hour, boy got a little bomb for the kids.

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Speaker 1: Do we have fun for you? If you like football,

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Speaker 1: prepare for an absolute football bomb, because at two o'clock

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Speaker 1: it's my favorite part of the combat. Greg Cosell will

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Speaker 1: sit down for his annual chat with us, and I

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Speaker 1: can tell you it's a banger, and then we're gonna

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Speaker 1: follow that up with fun and frivolity with the great

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Speaker 1: Rich Eisen. I mean, it is going to be. This

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Speaker 1: feel like there's a lot of that today. There's a

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Speaker 1: he will join us later on the program today, which

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Speaker 1: is a great treat. I feel like technically it's day

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Speaker 1: we are reaching the point now where everybody's like, all right,

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Speaker 1: like that, it's time for them to buckle down. Everybody's

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Speaker 1: had their little going out moments. It's now time to forward,

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Speaker 1: time to go. But it's been certainly a great trip

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Speaker 1: from our standpoint, because we've gotten a lot of interviews

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Speaker 1: free agents, want to play for the Browns. Talking about that,

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Speaker 1: the Cleveland Browns. That is everybody's an agreement about that.

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Speaker 1: But there is an opportunity here for this team I

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Speaker 1: Definitely some talent there. I could see even some former

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Speaker 1: coming suon to Ohio, live from the Combine in Indianapolis.

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Speaker 1: And we're very happy now to be joined by an

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Speaker 1: old friend of the show. ESPN Draft analyst Jordan Read. Jordan,

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Speaker 1: what's going on, man? I'm here, man. It feels like

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Speaker 1: Christmas week for me. This is like my Super Bowl,

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Speaker 1: so I'm excited to be here. What do you enjoy

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Speaker 1: most about the combine? Well, it's just the thrill of

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Speaker 1: each how each class is different, just because whenever you

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Speaker 1: have a quarterback driven class, it seems to be a

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Speaker 1: little bit more exciting, especially from the media standpoint, but

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Speaker 1: just dissecting each and every position group and then also

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Speaker 1: seeing these guys move around, Well, we aren't in the

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Speaker 1: market for a quarterback with the Cleveland Browns you've got

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Speaker 1: to Shaun Watson. But that is, as you pointed out,

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Speaker 1: probably the top topic here. Who was the top quarter

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Speaker 1: back on the board? What should the Bears do it? One?

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Speaker 1: Although they've kind of said basically we're sick with Justin

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Speaker 1: Fields and trading out, So let's start with that. If

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Speaker 1: you were running the Bears, how would you evaluate Justin

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Speaker 1: Fields versus this year's quarterback class? He would be my favorite.

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Speaker 1: I think he would be the consensus top quarterback in

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Speaker 1: this group just because of what he was able to

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Speaker 1: show at Ohio State in the end, just the size,

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Speaker 1: the frame that he has, and we've already seen what

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Speaker 1: he's been able to do as a competitive runner. Yes,

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Speaker 1: now he still has to catch up a little bit

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Speaker 1: as far as from a passing standpoint, but they have

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Speaker 1: to get him some weapons in the some protection, So

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Speaker 1: I think that's eventually going to come. But as far

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Speaker 1: as the top quarterbacks in this class, I haven't ranked

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Speaker 1: Bryce Young one, C J. Strout two, Anthony Richson three,

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Speaker 1: and then Leaves four. All Right, Bryce Young, he would

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Speaker 1: be It feels like when we get him all measured out,

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Speaker 1: a historical outlier, right, But yeah, you don't like to

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Speaker 1: bet on outliers, but at the same time incredibly impressive.

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Speaker 1: How do you kind of balance that in your evaluation?

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Speaker 1: And if you were a general manager, would you be

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Speaker 1: much more comfortable draft team if you were a Dome

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Speaker 1: team as opposed to maybe a cold weather AFC North

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Speaker 1: Thift team. Yeah, I would be a little bit more

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Speaker 1: comfortable drafting him as a Dome team, just because I

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Speaker 1: know that eight to nine games a year going to

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Speaker 1: be inside. I can control the elements, and especially when

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Speaker 1: you talk about a smaller quarterback, you kind of worry

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Speaker 1: about the arm strength for those guys, can they play

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Speaker 1: the elements and then as the season goes along or

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Speaker 1: their body gonna hold up. But the thing that's a

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Speaker 1: little bit different about Bryce is that just as poise like,

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Speaker 1: he plays with the same heartbeat no matter the circumstances

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Speaker 1: of the game. We saw it against Auburn doing a

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Speaker 1: sophomore season, and then plenty of times last year. Even

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Speaker 1: in the LSU game, which I thought was his worst

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Speaker 1: game in the season, you see him still out there

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Speaker 1: battling and fighting. All Right, let's talk about some of

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Speaker 1: things the Browns need, and then they're probably three big needs.

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Speaker 1: And then won the Wolf will say maybe as death

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Speaker 1: late around or actually could be a starter at this point.

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Speaker 1: But let's start with the wide receiver. Yeah, Browns need

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Speaker 1: to get somebody with some juice, some speed, and perhaps

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Speaker 1: that's at pick forty two, maybe that comes later than that.

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Speaker 1: That's the Browns first pick in this draft in the

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Speaker 1: second round. Who were some of the guys that you

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Speaker 1: like in this draft that have the potential to be

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Speaker 1: there at forty two. Tyler Scott from Cincinnati coming out,

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Speaker 1: He's gonna be a very popular name even at forty two.

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Speaker 1: And you know him and Jalen Hyatt are kind of

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Speaker 1: in that same bucket. But I think that he could

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Speaker 1: end up going or end up being a better player

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Speaker 1: than Hide. That wouldn't surprise me at all. Just the

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Speaker 1: speed element that he brings to the game, and that's

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Speaker 1: something that the Browns don't have. You have a Marion

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Speaker 1: Cooper and DPJ, but if one of those guys go down,

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Speaker 1: now you're talking about you're in trouble as far as

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Speaker 1: the options on the perimeter, but him just being able

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Speaker 1: to take the top off of the defense and then

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Speaker 1: getting those guys open in the underneath areas. I think

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Speaker 1: Tyler Scott would be a really good pick at forty two.

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Speaker 1: Who's somebody that you would compare him to. Oh, that's

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Speaker 1: a good question. Will Fuller. I think will Fuller will

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Speaker 1: be a good example. Deshaan Jackson could bet another example,

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Speaker 1: just trying to paint a picture of just a playing

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Speaker 1: style of how he takes the top off of the defense.

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Speaker 1: And then he's one of those guys that you cannot

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Speaker 1: overthrow just because he's one of those guys that you

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Speaker 1: can just throw the ball down the field. You can

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Speaker 1: close your eyes, you know he's gonna catch him to

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Speaker 1: the ball. And that's something that DeShawn needs it certainly.

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Speaker 1: Is it would really open up our offense. Now if

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Speaker 1: the Browns going another direction, We'll talk about edges in

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Speaker 1: a second. At forty two, is there anybody in the third,

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Speaker 1: fourth round? Now, obviously they're not going to be completely

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Speaker 1: well rounded, but maybe there's somebody who is just a

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Speaker 1: good pure vertical threat that can catch the ball. That's

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Speaker 1: been our problem, right Anthony Schwartz, he has all this

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Speaker 1: p and U on, but he hasn't been able to

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Speaker 1: catch the ball consistently and make an impact in the leak.

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Speaker 1: So is there somebody maybe a little bit later on

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Speaker 1: day two that if we don't get a Scott or

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Speaker 1: a Hyatt that fits kind of that bill that you

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Speaker 1: need and know that it would just be more of

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Speaker 1: a limited roll or more of a project. Oh, Jaden

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Speaker 1: Reid from Michigan State, he's one that I think they'll

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Speaker 1: have a lot of interest in. Now with the Browns,

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Speaker 1: they do have the H factor. They like a younger prospects.

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Speaker 1: Just from a financial standpoint, you get more bang for

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Speaker 1: your books. So Jadeen Reid from Michigan State, he's one

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Speaker 1: to keep an eye on. What do you think of

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Speaker 1: Mems from Oklahoma? Yeah, Yeah, Marvin Mems, that's a that's

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Speaker 1: a great name. I should have dropped that name myself,

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Speaker 1: just because he fits in that mold of that vertical

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Speaker 1: stretched guy, but also he can take advantage of the

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Speaker 1: underneath areas too. Was really their only whipping at Oklahoma

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Speaker 1: last year, but he was still able to go out

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Speaker 1: and produce all right, slipped to the edge and would

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Speaker 1: you agree that this is one of the strengths of

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Speaker 1: this draft class? Yeah, without question. I think edge, tight end, corner,

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Speaker 1: and running back those are your top four as far

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Speaker 1: as the strengths from top to bottom at the position,

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Speaker 1: but yeah, Edge has a lot of talent and a

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Speaker 1: lot of depth from it. Um b j Olilari is

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Speaker 1: one name that I like a lot. I think they'll

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Speaker 1: have a lot of interest in him. And there's plenty

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Speaker 1: of others that I like too so, but Ojilari is

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Speaker 1: one that I think could be there at forty two.

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Speaker 1: And if he's there, I think they'll run to the

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Speaker 1: podium because you gotta you gotta get the guy opposite

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Speaker 1: Miles Gartty. He drafted Alex Wright a year ago, who

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Speaker 1: was still somewhat of a project in the sense that

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Speaker 1: he's very young, played in different style at Alabama Birmingham

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Speaker 1: and they liked him. But you gotta be able to

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Speaker 1: get to the quarterback and I think that's what especially

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Speaker 1: with Jim Schwartz, that attacking front, that's something they'll be

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Speaker 1: looking for. So ojilar any other names that we should

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Speaker 1: maybe keep tabs on. Possibly Will McDonald. I think he's

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Speaker 1: gonna be a little bit outside of their comfort from

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Speaker 1: an age perspective, but yeah, I think the guy, he's

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Speaker 1: the one, He's the one you need to put a

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Speaker 1: gold starside. I think he could be I think it

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Speaker 1: would be a really good fit opposite of Miles Garrett.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's talk to sensive tackle for a second,

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Speaker 1: and that's a position that the Browns will address this offseason,

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Speaker 1: whether that's a big free agent splash, a trade, combination

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Speaker 1: of that. Am the draft, I'd probably be surprised if

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Speaker 1: they took a defensive tackle at forty two, just because

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Speaker 1: they would want a pass rushing defensive tackle, and if

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Speaker 1: the guy is that good at it, he's probably not

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Speaker 1: going to be there at forty two. So who are

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Speaker 1: some names maybe later Day two, third round, fourth round,

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Speaker 1: that's kind of been their mo right, Andrew very third round,

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Speaker 1: Jordan Elliott, fourth round, togy I fourth round, Peri on

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Speaker 1: who I think could be very very good if we

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Speaker 1: can get him focused on the right things. What do

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Speaker 1: you think about the defensive tackle class and any names

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Speaker 1: that for the Browns maybe later on Day two, early

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Speaker 1: day three. Mozzie Smith from Michigan. He's one that I

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Speaker 1: think they're gonna have a lot of interest in, just

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Speaker 1: because the Browns have shown that they value explosive athletes

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Speaker 1: that are younger too. And Mozzie Smith he's only going

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Speaker 1: to be twenty one years old. He feels a position

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Speaker 1: of need, and the Browns will kind of patch work

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Speaker 1: that defensive tackle spot. But now it's like, let's go

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Speaker 1: ahead and get that middle of the field plugger that

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Speaker 1: we know can come in and be a contributor on rundowns.

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Speaker 1: And I think Mozzie Smith can be that guy. When

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Speaker 1: you said running back, Obviously the Browns have Nick Chubb,

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Speaker 1: but there is some flux there. Kareem Hunt and Ernest

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Speaker 1: Johnson both free agents. You drafted Jerome Ford last year,

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Speaker 1: who looked very good in the preseason, gave you some

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Speaker 1: juice as a kick returner, But it wouldn't surprised me

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Speaker 1: at all to see them just throw another name in

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Speaker 1: the hat in that backfield, especially taking advantage of the

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Speaker 1: value in this draft. Let's go Day three or there

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Speaker 1: ain't Day three running backs that jump out to you

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Speaker 1: that'd be a good fit for what we do and

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Speaker 1: kind of that wide zone, inside zone and then the

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Speaker 1: pin poll that we run. Eric Gray from Oklahoma, he's

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Speaker 1: one that I think we're gonna be all Soonersaiah Thomas,

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Speaker 1: Michael Woods, keep it going, okay. Wayne McBride from you

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Speaker 1: AB He's probably a late round sleeper, probably fifth sixth

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Speaker 1: round that they could get in that area that I

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Speaker 1: think could come in and contribute right away. When you

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Speaker 1: are here, what is it that you want to see

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Speaker 1: the most or is it more for you information gathering

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Speaker 1: as opposed to watching the guys actually out on the field.

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Speaker 1: But what is it that you find the most valuable about?

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Speaker 1: So always compare scouting. It's like buying a car, and

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Speaker 1: when you have first interest in buying a car, you

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Speaker 1: look it up online with or is used they're new,

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Speaker 1: you're looking at it. You just really see the exterior.

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Speaker 1: But at the combine, you're looking at the interior. You're

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Speaker 1: seeing the console, you're seeing the stern wheel, you get

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Speaker 1: the test drive it. You're seeing if you like leather,

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Speaker 1: if you like different types of interior. So we're finding

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Speaker 1: we're figuring out the nuts and bolts of as far

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00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 1: as the mentality of these players, the athleticism, that's what

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00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 1: I like to call the makeup of these guys. And

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00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 1: that's the interior of the car. You can scroll all

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Speaker 1: day long looking at the exterior of the car, but

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Speaker 1: you want to get a feel for it. You want

646
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 1: to sit in, you want to test drive it. And

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Speaker 1: that's what the combine is all right, who's the one

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Speaker 1: guy that you think after this combine that you're higher

649
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 1: on than maybe the consensus that after the combine or

650
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 1: as we get closer the draft people and be like, ah, um, oh,

651
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 1: there's a lot. Tyler Scott is one, Mossy Smith is another.

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Speaker 1: For the Browns. Keep those names, yeah, right, reaching those

653
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:50,479
Speaker 1: guys too much, but yeah, those two guys. I think

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Speaker 1: Mossi Smith, I think he's gonna blow the doors off

655
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Speaker 1: of the combine. We're gonna see some freak numbers from him,

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Speaker 1: because that catapulta guy like that, it will. Um. I

657
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 1: think they're gonna have to take him at forty two, Okay,

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Speaker 1: one at the combine honestly, all right, Jordan, this was

659
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Speaker 1: great stuff, man, Always great chatting with you and looking

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Speaker 1: forward to seeing this your content as the next few

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Speaker 1: weeks unfold as we get ready for the drafts. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: thank you guys, as always, as always a pleasure. All Right,

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Speaker 1: we'll be back with more live from the NFL Scouting

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Speaker 1: ESPN Cleveland. All right, welcome back into Cleveland. Browns Daily

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Speaker 1: joined now here on location with Daniel Jeremiah NFL Network,

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Speaker 1: and here we go. A year goes by quickly and

671
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 1: we're back with them. It's like two weeks ago we

672
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 1: were here, right, So it's a world every every year

673
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 1: you get here and you land and you say, boy,

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Speaker 1: what are what are the things everyone's talking about? Nine

675
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 1: times out of ten ex quarterback? And it feels like

676
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 1: that's the case again this year at the top. Obviously, Yeah, no,

677
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 1: it is absolutely, And it's an interesting year because we

678
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 1: don't have a Burrow or we don't have a Trevor

679
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 1: Lawrence where it's all locked in and you know who

680
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 1: that first guy is going to be, and you've got

681
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 1: a lot of names, so um, and it's to I

682
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 1: don't know if I can remember a time you guys,

683
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Speaker 1: tell me if you could think of one where we've

684
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Speaker 1: got two divisions, like it's almost like the NFC South

685
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 1: and the AFC South they all need quarterbacks. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean Brown's the reason why one of them need

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Speaker 1: a quarterback. But that's so you have the intrigue of

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00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 1: a team at two and a team at four who

689
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 1: both need a quarterback. They could both trade up to one,

690
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 1: and it's like a two for one special. Not only

691
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Speaker 1: do I get a quarterback, I keep them from a

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Speaker 1: team inside my division who needs one. And if you're

693
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Speaker 1: in the Houston Texas, you just could have lost in

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Speaker 1: the last game of the season and we wouldn't be

695
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Speaker 1: dealing with any of this, which is I just I

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Speaker 1: want to I want to go to the Levy Smith

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Speaker 1: Draft Park. That's a great call. That's a great call. Yeah,

698
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Speaker 1: so let's talk about the easiest marketing money he'll ever make.

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Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, it was all right there. We need

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Speaker 1: a thirty for thirty, Yes, someday. So you look at

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Speaker 1: the top of the draft the Bears, now it's come out,

702
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 1: they're going to be trading that pick. Just as an evaluator,

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Speaker 1: how would you have rated justin Fields versus maybe Bryce

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Speaker 1: Young or in another option in this draft? Yeah, it would.

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Speaker 1: I would have it Bryce in terms of the grade

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Speaker 1: coming out, and then Fields and then the rest of

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Speaker 1: this group. But the then I get asked the follow

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Speaker 1: up question inevitably, which is Okay, Well, if you're Chicago

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Speaker 1: and you have a higher grade on Bryce Young, then

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Speaker 1: wouldn't you just take Bryce Young and trade justin fields.

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Speaker 1: I don't like to fit for Bryce Young in Chicago,

712
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:28,840
Speaker 1: so that's just yeah. I don't think with his size,

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Speaker 1: I don't think he works there in that division, in

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Speaker 1: that in that home environment, I don't think it's conducive

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Speaker 1: to a smaller quarterback. And it goes back to my

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00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 1: time in your division. You know, I haven't scouted in

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Speaker 1: that division. We wanted bigger, physical quarterbacks because it's you're

718
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 1: you're playing, whether you're playing at elements, you're playing in

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Speaker 1: a physical division. Like you just needed a bigger guy.

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Speaker 1: I think in the AFC South, where you're playing indoors

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Speaker 1: and indo you're playing indoor in Houston, I just think

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Speaker 1: it makes more sense with with you know, his only

723
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Speaker 1: limitation that he really has is that is that size.

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Speaker 1: I think it plays better indoors. By the way, thinks

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00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 1: with your other job, took six six justin Herbert and

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00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 1: just kept him in a dome. And I had a

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00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:08,280
Speaker 1: lot to do with that draft, but I with the Chargers.

728
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Speaker 1: But it reminds me a little bit of the Kyler Draft,

729
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:12,799
Speaker 1: and that we were all here waiting to see, Well,

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Speaker 1: how tall is he going to be? What's this? What's

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Speaker 1: the size? There's no issue with with young in terms

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00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 1: of all the rest of it. It's just that one

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Speaker 1: thing that's it. Is there a number there that becomes

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Speaker 1: too much to overcome for him or not? I think

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Speaker 1: he's I mean, I think he's gonna be fine. I

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Speaker 1: think he's gonna come in at two hundred pounds, right

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Speaker 1: around two hundred pounds, and then you're gonna be able

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Speaker 1: to look on paper and you're gonna be able to

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Speaker 1: find some other quarterbacks that have been two oh seven,

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Speaker 1: two oh four or two oh nine. You're like, Okay,

741
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 1: there's there's something out there for a comp You don't

742
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Speaker 1: want to come in here and be one hundred and

743
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Speaker 1: eighty two pounds. And they're like, they got got nothing

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Speaker 1: to compare this too. Even if he's you know, five

745
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 1: to eleven and change or whatever, he's gonna be all right.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about from a Brown's perspective. We do not

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Speaker 1: have a first round pick. As he mentioned earlier, we

748
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:54,319
Speaker 1: got to Shaun. It is odd. It is odd, but

749
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Speaker 1: we're gonna have to make some hate here in the

750
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Speaker 1: second round edge wide receiver. Let's start with the wide

751
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 1: receiver position. This is a team that desperately needs some

752
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 1: speed at that spot. Are there any guys he liked

753
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 1: that maybe could be there in that second round area?

754
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 1: Tyler Scott's an interesting one from Cincinnati. He can really

755
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 1: go as a vertical receiver. I don't think, you know,

756
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 1: I think Jalen Hyatt is gonna be gone. I think

757
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 1: Johnston from TCU is gonna be gone. But he can run,

758
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 1: and so that gives you a big time speed option

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00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,399
Speaker 1: to get down the field. And then you know, there's

760
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 1: there's other guys that maybe aren't just true blazers, but

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00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 1: are fast players that can play. And like Marvin Mems

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Speaker 1: from Oklahoma. He might might get him in the third

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Speaker 1: or fourth round, but he's gonna probably run in the

764
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 1: low four fours. But he's a good player, and you

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Speaker 1: see him get vertical, you see him get over the top.

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Speaker 1: When you think about the strength in this draft, Nathan

767
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 1: mentioned we need obviously defensive line receiver speed. How does

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Speaker 1: it line up with the depth of talent at those

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Speaker 1: positions in this draft? Well, I mean, I think when

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Speaker 1: you look at the depth positions in this draft. On offense,

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Speaker 1: the two that are the deepest are tighten and running back,

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Speaker 1: so you know, and you know, I don't think those

773
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 1: are right at the top of the list. And then

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Speaker 1: you look on the defensive side of the ball, edge

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00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 1: rusher is is a really good group of edge rushers.

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Speaker 1: Um in corner, so those are the two deep positions.

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Speaker 1: Then you know, I think the wide receiver group is

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00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 1: down compared to what it's been in the last few years. Um.

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Speaker 1: The linebacker groups just okay, um so, and the safety

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00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 1: group is not great. So those are kind of the

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00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:19,840
Speaker 1: strengths and weaknesses overall. So at forty two overall, do

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00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 1: you think a quality edge very will be a good one?

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Speaker 1: Beyond they'll be a good one there, I think I

784
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 1: have ten in my top fifty. So okay, I love

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00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 1: a kid from Kansas State, um um oh gosh, and

786
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Speaker 1: a and a dk Uzama I believe it was the

787
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 1: last name here. We got a lot of names for

788
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Speaker 1: Yeah you do, he's a really good player. Um So

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Speaker 1: that one that would be one I would keep an

790
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 1: eye on. I think Will McDonald's probably gonna run his

791
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:42,279
Speaker 1: way out into the middle part of the first round

792
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:44,400
Speaker 1: with what he does here this week. That's certainly is

793
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 1: something when you think of the Browns in totality and

794
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,319
Speaker 1: you look at this offseason and the news of John

795
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 1: Johnson and what's coming there, and um it is it

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00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 1: does feel like for us that it is a There

797
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 1: is a tremendous amount of pressure too. Now makes we

798
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 1: gotta go win. Everybody's in the prime. Are best players

799
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Speaker 1: in the prime? A full off season for Deshaun As

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Speaker 1: you look at the roster juxtaposed to what is in

801
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,800
Speaker 1: Kansas City and Cincinnati and Buffalo, what do you see?

802
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,359
Speaker 1: How close is it from your perspective? Yeah, I think

803
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 1: they need some more dynamic players up front on defense,

804
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:15,399
Speaker 1: you know, just to add with Miles. And I think, look,

805
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:18,320
Speaker 1: I'm a Jim Schwartz fan, you know, I've known Schwartzy forever.

806
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 1: So I think he's gonna do a good job maximize

807
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:22,359
Speaker 1: in that group. They're gonna play an attacking front, They're

808
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 1: gonna get up the field and get after it. So

809
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:26,879
Speaker 1: I think he needs a couple more tools to work

810
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 1: with there. But I think once you do that, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean you can go you know at their top

812
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Speaker 1: if you want to look at kind of that blue

813
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,359
Speaker 1: Chip group of their top eight guys and put them

814
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 1: up with everybody else in the AFC. I think they

815
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 1: stack up quite well. The Browns have been very kind

816
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 1: of strict in their age guard rails. It feels like

817
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 1: there are more prospects in the top fifty, top one

818
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 1: hundred this year because of COVIDA that are older for

819
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 1: a team kind of what you were talking about. Do

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00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 1: you think this is maybe a year it's okay to

821
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 1: draft at twenty three year old in the second round

822
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 1: because you're I think we need our second round pick

823
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 1: to play this year. I'm fine with it. You know,

824
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 1: I always try and look at it is thinking one

825
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 1: contract at a time. You know, if I get somebody

826
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Speaker 1: that can come in here and give me four years

827
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:07,879
Speaker 1: of really really good football, that's good. That's a good pick. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, give me four great years. And if we

829
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Speaker 1: don't get a second contract on him, that's fine, he'll

830
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 1: go sign somewhere else and you know, we'll get a

831
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Speaker 1: compic and move on. But I think you gotta be

832
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 1: in the business of getting good football players. And if

833
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 1: you start weeding out the guys because of COVID for

834
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:22,720
Speaker 1: the next few years, we're gonna see some more older

835
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,360
Speaker 1: players coming in with this extra year that they've been granted.

836
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Speaker 1: So um, I wouldn't want to disqualify myself from from

837
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Speaker 1: taking one of those guys. We talked about Bryce Young

838
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 1: off the top, Let's talk about the other quarterbacks that

839
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:35,840
Speaker 1: could be in the mix here. Stroud levis those guys

840
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 1: who do you like a lot of Richardson buzz coming

841
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:40,959
Speaker 1: into this week? What do you make of those guys's prospects? Yeah,

842
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:43,840
Speaker 1: to me, Stroud's the second best guy. I think I

843
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 1: just trust him the most in terms of the accuracy

844
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Speaker 1: and the decision making. Charles Davis is what a handsome

845
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 1: manlieve that's the one that I trust. Now, there's some

846
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 1: he's not perfect player, none of these guys are. And

847
00:39:58,080 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 1: there's stuff stuff you want to see him continue to

848
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Speaker 1: grow get better at. But I've seen him get better

849
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:04,360
Speaker 1: throughout his time. Ever, every time you watched him, I

850
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 1: thought there was progress, it was being made. I thought

851
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 1: even just arm strength from last year to this year,

852
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 1: I thought his arm was stronger. And then you know

853
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:13,240
Speaker 1: the questions about you know, when you move him around

854
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 1: and then he loses some accuracy. Then he goes out

855
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 1: and does what he did in the in the playoff game,

856
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:19,879
Speaker 1: which helps alleviate that. So, you know, is that old

857
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:21,359
Speaker 1: scouting adage, if you can do it once, you can

858
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 1: do it. So I know, I know it's in there.

859
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 1: I know he's got it, So that to me makes

860
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 1: him number two. Levis has got an unbelievable amount of ability.

861
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 1: Was better last year than this year for a whole

862
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:32,839
Speaker 1: host of different reasons. You got to dig into while

863
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 1: you're down here, but uh, you know that would be

864
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 1: the next one. And then Richardson's is the boomer bust.

865
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 1: You know, is the highest ceiling and the lowest floor.

866
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:43,839
Speaker 1: So if you're feeling frisky, go for it. Well, that'd

867
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 1: be a team maybe that hasn't like a Detroit for it.

868
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 1: That's what I said, And the Lions fans are so

869
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 1: mad at me. We would never do that. We have

870
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:51,759
Speaker 1: Jared Goffin. I'm like, now, Jared's a really good player.

871
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 1: This guy has so much more in his body, Like

872
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 1: there is a much higher ceiling here. And oh, by

873
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 1: the way, the cost is nothing, right, right, you have

874
00:40:58,239 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 1: the free pick, you're gonna have to pay. Goff's already

875
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 1: gonna do some amount of money in this contractcause we

876
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 1: can't pay him a lot of money. There's no such

877
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 1: thing as a middle tier quarterback contract, right right, And

878
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 1: go back a few years ago the Chiefs were going

879
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,360
Speaker 1: to the playoffs. Alex Smith's certainly a fine quarterback, and

880
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 1: I'm sure if we went back, if we went back

881
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 1: at that time, there'd be a lot of Chiefs fans going,

882
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:16,400
Speaker 1: what are we doing? We got Alex Smith. I think

883
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 1: it's worked out pretty well for them. We're not saying

884
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 1: this is gonna happen, but but we'll see there. You

885
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 1: mentioned Stroud, one of the guys he throws the ball

886
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:24,359
Speaker 1: to Jackson, Smith and Jigba. Are people sleeping on him

887
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 1: a little bit? I know people say this receiver draft

888
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 1: isn't top heavy enough, but when you can separate and

889
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:30,320
Speaker 1: think about the guys, as you've talked many times, A

890
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:31,919
Speaker 1: Lobby and Wilson were there, and he was the best

891
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 1: of that bunch. Yeah, out of the Slott he operated it.

892
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,319
Speaker 1: Think about him, well, yeah, that's part of the deal.

893
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 1: He's in the slot and they're drawing the number one

894
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 1: and number two corners on the outside, and he was

895
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 1: beating the living tar out of the number three corners

896
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 1: in the slot, and so the question. The knock is

897
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 1: it can he really run? You know, one of the

898
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:48,800
Speaker 1: things you know he didn't come back this year, is

899
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 1: it all He's been really training and training and training,

900
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 1: try and get, you know, get a little bit faster.

901
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 1: That's the only knock on him is just a pure speed.

902
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna be a high volume guy. I

903
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 1: think he's gonna catch eighty plus balls a year. I

904
00:41:57,920 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 1: don't think he's in the class of those other two

905
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:02,399
Speaker 1: guys Ohio State. As much as they like to give him,

906
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:04,799
Speaker 1: uh that that title is the best of the bunch,

907
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 1: I didn't think it was close, just in terms of

908
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 1: how explosive Garrett Wilson was and how explosive Chris Olave

909
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 1: was versus a really good a'm and Ross Saint Brown

910
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 1: type player that's going to play in the slot and

911
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 1: amros a Pro Bowl player. He's gonna catch one hundred balls.

912
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:19,879
Speaker 1: You know, I think he's a volume guy. I don't

913
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 1: think he's gonna be a you know, sixteen seventeen yards

914
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 1: per catch type player. You bring up Jackson, I'm curious

915
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:27,359
Speaker 1: just from a when you talk to the league, and

916
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:28,839
Speaker 1: one of the things that you always get the ripe

917
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 1: of with those kids when they don't play in its

918
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 1: semifinal or something like that, because a lot of people

919
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:35,360
Speaker 1: thought that he probably could have was healthy enough to

920
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 1: play in that game, didn't. Um how much do NFL

921
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:41,719
Speaker 1: teams care about that? Well? I think you you'll ask

922
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 1: questions and do digging and then and it maybe even

923
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 1: get some people that try and you know, push and

924
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:48,800
Speaker 1: nudge in the conversation with him, and then at the

925
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 1: end of the day you're like, if is he better

926
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 1: than the other guy? Okay? Right, what are we doing? What?

927
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:54,839
Speaker 1: We're fine with that? We're fine. There's that disconnect though,

928
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 1: I think college people want and I think fans sometimes like, oh,

929
00:42:57,960 --> 00:42:59,360
Speaker 1: he doesn't have the hard he doesn't have all of that.

930
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 1: It's like, well can he play? Yeah, then we're fine. Yeah.

931
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,399
Speaker 1: What do you make of as somebody who covers this

932
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:07,799
Speaker 1: and also covers you know, the league in your in

933
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 1: your job with the chargers of how guys come here?

934
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 1: It's like maliqu Willis from a year Yeah, okay, if

935
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:16,840
Speaker 1: you would just somebody who only existed for that week

936
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 1: and watched that coverage when he's throwing the ball a

937
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:21,879
Speaker 1: thousand yards and he's gonna be a first round pick

938
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 1: and then everybody in the league. He goes in the

939
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:28,799
Speaker 1: third round. Yeah, how do we kind of reconcile combine talk,

940
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:33,359
Speaker 1: combine buzz and the reality of what NFL teams think

941
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 1: about players. Yeah, it's a it's a sliver of the process,

942
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 1: and I think it's not I think that the disconnect

943
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:42,359
Speaker 1: is people that that rip on the combine and hate

944
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 1: the comment that's the underwear Olympics. It holds no value.

945
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:46,279
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, it holds value, no doubt. And then

946
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 1: there's people that think that it should be the bo

947
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 1: end all, Well, if he didn't do this at the combine,

948
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 1: then we can't take him here. I'm like, no, No No,

949
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 1: it's hit. It's it's it's individual part of the process.

950
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:56,840
Speaker 1: It's you know, no more than ten fifteen percent of

951
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 1: the evaluation. But it can be valuable. And to me,

952
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 1: I don't look at the combine in terms of I'm

953
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna be able to rank these guys one

954
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:06,839
Speaker 1: to fifty or one to two hundred. I look at

955
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 1: it and say, you know what, I have the same

956
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 1: grade on these three corners. They're all six foot, they're

957
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 1: all two hundred pounds. Let's go out there and watch

958
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:14,840
Speaker 1: these guys work out and watch a move, who's who's fluid,

959
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 1: who's a little bit tight, who can't catch, different things

960
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:19,839
Speaker 1: like that, and say, okay, well that might be enough

961
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 1: to nudge one guy over the other guy when you're

962
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:23,840
Speaker 1: looking at three third round corners. That's that's what the

963
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 1: value is as you let's look into the crystal ball

964
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 1: a little bit. By the time we're done with all

965
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 1: of this, give us a name of somebody who you

966
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 1: think by the end of this week we're gonna be

967
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 1: talking about. Oh at A. Baware is a defensive tackle

968
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:39,359
Speaker 1: from from Northwestern. He's six two, he's got thirty four

969
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:41,239
Speaker 1: inch arms. He's kind of one of those unique body

970
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 1: types of an interior player because he's got leverage in length,

971
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 1: so those guys are hard to block inside. And he's

972
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 1: gonna test like a freak. He's gonna I mean, we'll see.

973
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:52,760
Speaker 1: I was told there could be like some Aaron Donald

974
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:54,839
Speaker 1: type testing numbers with him, So that's one to keep

975
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 1: an eye on. Is that one of the fun things

976
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 1: when you kind of get this out, We're gonna see

977
00:44:57,520 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 1: this guy's gonna do this, yeah, to see if they

978
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:01,839
Speaker 1: actually can go yeah, no, Christian Gonzalez, a corner from

979
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 1: Organ's supposed to run low four threes, jump forty inches.

980
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 1: Keiley Ringo is gonna do the same type of a thing.

981
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 1: I think the an m running back a little nicked up,

982
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 1: so we won't get to see him out here, but

983
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:11,799
Speaker 1: he was supposed to run the four twos, so that's fun.

984
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 1: The Georgia Tech kid keyon White Edge Rusher is gonna

985
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 1: be over two hundred and eighty pound. He's gonna run

986
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 1: the four six. It's like she's stupid. It's fun. Which

987
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:21,400
Speaker 1: by the way, I always say, like, what's your favorite

988
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 1: part of the common? Like who does I watch guys

989
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 1: run fast like McKay Beckton and Jordan Davis. These big

990
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:29,799
Speaker 1: monsters out here rolland it's fun. It is always fun

991
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:32,280
Speaker 1: when we get to have you, sir, I appreciate you guys.

992
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 1: Sweet sweatshirt. By the way, I get one of those.

993
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:37,719
Speaker 1: Oh well, well there's three of them on a short list.

994
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:42,799
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995
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996
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:54,920
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997
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Speaker 1: the NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis. This is Cleveland Brown's Daily,

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1000
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 1: brought to you by Bally Bet live at the Combine

1001
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:13,319
Speaker 1: in Indianapolis. All right, it's time. This is why I

1002
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:16,799
Speaker 1: come to Indianapolis. Quite frankly, you have the opportunity to

1003
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 1: sit next to this man, absorb some knowledge, have a

1004
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:22,719
Speaker 1: great talk about the great game of fairy. You're the

1005
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 1: guy now you're you're doing games. I mean, man, I'm

1006
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 1: just honored to sit next to you. No, the honor

1007
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 1: is all mine, believe me. From NFL Films. That is

1008
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:32,360
Speaker 1: the voice, the great great co Sell in our Combine interview,

1009
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 1: a yearly tradition and really truly the thing that we

1010
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:36,799
Speaker 1: look the most forward to when we come out here.

1011
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 1: So lets just started. So how the heck are you doing? Man?

1012
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 1: I think I'm okay. So so far, so good, so far,

1013
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:45,479
Speaker 1: so good. You know, I just finished my forty third

1014
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 1: season in NFL Films, forty three, So you I was

1015
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 1: one when you began this. Joe, Jesus, thank you. I

1016
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 1: love how you said. Edward sitting over here, well, this

1017
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:56,799
Speaker 1: guy in his early twenties. Yeah, it's all relative. And

1018
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 1: if you're thriving, and I think I think my first

1019
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:01,800
Speaker 1: come may have been ninety eight or ninety nine. So

1020
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 1: I've been coming here since then. A few changes in

1021
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:07,400
Speaker 1: the combine since then, a quarter century of you at

1022
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 1: the combine. I like that. I like crazy. It is crazy.

1023
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:12,880
Speaker 1: It is to see what it's all becoming. And you

1024
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 1: know what I like about it is, yes, all the

1025
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 1: stuff that goes on for the teams, it's very important.

1026
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 1: But for somebody in our line of work in the

1027
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:22,880
Speaker 1: media who cover the league, the amount of people that

1028
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 1: you get to come around and just oh, I love it.

1029
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 1: I love Yeah, it's the best. I love it. Who's

1030
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:30,359
Speaker 1: somebody that you love to see every year? Who's your

1031
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 1: great coasell? Oh? Well, you know for years and he's

1032
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:37,360
Speaker 1: no longer coaching, and you know him because he was

1033
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 1: with Cleveland for a couple of years for years, and

1034
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 1: we're very good friends to this day. In fact, we

1035
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:46,800
Speaker 1: were texting earlier. Is Al Saunders, one of my favorite guys,

1036
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 1: one of my best friends in coaching. You know, I

1037
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 1: love and I used to have we had a routine

1038
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:54,719
Speaker 1: every year We've got a PF change for dinner, just

1039
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 1: he and I and it was awesome. And then obviously retired.

1040
00:47:57,640 --> 00:47:59,279
Speaker 1: But you know, we were texting today. I mean we're

1041
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:02,320
Speaker 1: still really close friends. I still text with him too. Yeah.

1042
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:04,799
Speaker 1: He is as good a human as you'll ever if

1043
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:07,880
Speaker 1: any great coach. Yeah, And I used to look forward

1044
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 1: to that so much, And then of course he retired.

1045
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:11,840
Speaker 1: We gotta get him just come to see for the

1046
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:13,320
Speaker 1: fun of fact. I used to sit with him a

1047
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 1: lot in the dome, especially watching receivers, and I learned

1048
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 1: the guy's a fountain of knowledge. I mean I would

1049
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 1: learn so much about evaluating receivers, what to look for,

1050
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:27,319
Speaker 1: you know. And I mean he taught me something that

1051
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:29,880
Speaker 1: I never you know, It's funny you talk to coaches,

1052
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 1: you think you know stuff, and I mean, I've been

1053
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:33,279
Speaker 1: doing this a long time and you know, you know

1054
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:35,720
Speaker 1: a lot, but there's certain things I don't know, okay,

1055
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:38,319
Speaker 1: and I want to keep learning. That's the key. That's

1056
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 1: one reason I love coming to the combine and talking

1057
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:44,920
Speaker 1: to coaches. But he's explained to me one year that

1058
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:47,839
Speaker 1: about how you can teach guys how to catch the ball,

1059
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 1: because you know, people say he's got bad hands. He said,

1060
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 1: that's a copout. I would say, that's a copout. You

1061
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,800
Speaker 1: can teach guys how to catch the football. And you know,

1062
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 1: I never thought about that. I'm sure a lot of

1063
00:48:57,480 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 1: people don't think about that. They assume a guy either

1064
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 1: has good hands were bad hands. And he said, no, no, no,

1065
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:04,360
Speaker 1: you can coach them and teach them how to catch

1066
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 1: the ball by where they placed their hands right, and

1067
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:09,319
Speaker 1: I you know, and he took that. That was a

1068
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 1: conversation we probably had fifteen years ago, but I remember

1069
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 1: that like it just happened yesterday. That's awesome, and that's

1070
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 1: what I think. It's blood. It is so cool about

1071
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:18,719
Speaker 1: this place, and you know what in this game just

1072
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:21,719
Speaker 1: in general that you can think you know a lot.

1073
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 1: And it's a constant thirst for coledge. I learned every

1074
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:25,840
Speaker 1: time I talk to you. I talked to one of

1075
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 1: our coach, I talked to the half Joe Thomas. You're

1076
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 1: just constantly learning, and that's that's what's what it's always about.

1077
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:33,720
Speaker 1: I'm one of those guys, Nathan, when I watched tape,

1078
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 1: and I know I know a good amount. I mean, obviously,

1079
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 1: I've been doing this a long time. I've been very

1080
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:38,879
Speaker 1: fortunate with the people I know and have been able

1081
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 1: to talk to. But I always think to myself when

1082
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:43,359
Speaker 1: I'm watching tape that if a coach was sitting here,

1083
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 1: he'd be pointing out five things that I'm totally missing

1084
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 1: and it would drive me crazy. And by the way,

1085
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 1: they would be doing it going forward, back, fardback for back,

1086
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 1: far back right right in a second, and I know

1087
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 1: I knows everything. I know, Like, wait, what you know?

1088
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 1: I always compare and people might have heard me make

1089
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 1: this comparison. I'd love to read in the offseason. I

1090
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 1: usually read about forty books, believe it or not now

1091
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:03,320
Speaker 1: until let's say August fifteen. And I love to go

1092
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 1: to Barnes and Noble. I love going to the bookstore,

1093
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:08,839
Speaker 1: and I get excited and so frustrated at the same time.

1094
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 1: Same thing with watching tape, because I walk into you know,

1095
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:13,879
Speaker 1: Barnes and Noble, and I know there's a thousand books

1096
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:15,399
Speaker 1: that I want to read that I'm never going to read,

1097
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 1: and it just drives me crazy because there's just too

1098
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 1: many books, you know, and um, you know, it's like

1099
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:22,279
Speaker 1: watching tape. I feel like, Okay, there's five things that

1100
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 1: I'm just missing that. If a coach was sitting here,

1101
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:26,759
Speaker 1: he'd point out and I'd go, oh man, how can

1102
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:30,279
Speaker 1: I not see that? You know? That's the way? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1103
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 1: There are so many things that happen in every play

1104
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 1: I know, and I think that that's one of the

1105
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:36,319
Speaker 1: cool things about the game. I know, and I can

1106
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:38,240
Speaker 1: because of what I have to do for the matchup

1107
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:41,880
Speaker 1: show during the season, I can't. I can't spend you know,

1108
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:44,840
Speaker 1: five hours just watching one side of a ball, so

1109
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:47,160
Speaker 1: you know, I have to see certain things and then

1110
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:50,120
Speaker 1: move on, you know. And if you're a people listening

1111
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 1: at home, and I think that there are more and

1112
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:53,880
Speaker 1: I don't know if you feel this way, but when

1113
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 1: you just talk to fans of the game, there are

1114
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 1: more fans I think now than ever that want to

1115
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:00,920
Speaker 1: watch tape and want right try to understand the game

1116
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 1: at a bigger level. If there was one piece of

1117
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 1: advice you could give somebody about just how to watch tape,

1118
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 1: or the best piece of advice you ever got about

1119
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 1: how to watch tape, what would that be. Well, the

1120
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 1: way I would answer that is this, because watching tape

1121
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 1: is a real is a real deal. I mean, you

1122
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 1: have to be taught how to do it, and you

1123
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:20,759
Speaker 1: have to take it seriously. I think that and this

1124
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:23,800
Speaker 1: is I hope this doesn't come across wrong, because obviously

1125
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 1: fans are what drive any sport, and the NFL, you know,

1126
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:29,720
Speaker 1: has a ton of fans. But you know, my sense

1127
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 1: when I you know, we're all on Twitter, because we

1128
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 1: have to be, we're all on social media, but my

1129
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:36,759
Speaker 1: sense is there's a lot of fans who without any

1130
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 1: real background, you know, in football, other than maybe they

1131
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:41,759
Speaker 1: played in junior higher high school, you know, which a

1132
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 1: lot of people did go into it with the idea

1133
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 1: that they really know football. And I think you have

1134
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:50,800
Speaker 1: to start and accept that you're a clean slate, that

1135
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:56,920
Speaker 1: that football, like any business, is nuanced, subtle, detailed in

1136
00:51:57,080 --> 00:52:00,880
Speaker 1: its own way, and that watching games on TV, that

1137
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:05,279
Speaker 1: you don't know football by watching games on TV, not

1138
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 1: the way the people in the business know football. And

1139
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:10,239
Speaker 1: you know, like I said, I hope that doesn't come

1140
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 1: across wrong because I gotta tell you I didn't play

1141
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 1: football in high school at college. So when we got

1142
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:17,800
Speaker 1: the coaching tape in nineteen ninety two in NFL films,

1143
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 1: I had to learn the game through the coaching tape.

1144
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:24,320
Speaker 1: And I feel like to this day, I'm still learning

1145
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:27,360
Speaker 1: the game every day every day. I don't feel like

1146
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:30,080
Speaker 1: and I've been doing that, that's thirty years now, and

1147
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 1: I feel I don't feel like, hey man, now I

1148
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 1: know stuff. You know, I don't feel that way. Well,

1149
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 1: I think one of the joys. It's kind of like

1150
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 1: somebody who's a wine condoisseur, right, they enjoy a glass

1151
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:41,480
Speaker 1: of wine differently, or a bottle from this year in

1152
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:43,480
Speaker 1: this region and all the climate was like this, and

1153
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:45,800
Speaker 1: that I can taste at it, all those things you

1154
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:49,719
Speaker 1: are still learning about to your point, the nuance of

1155
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:53,360
Speaker 1: the game. And I think that when you get to

1156
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 1: watch with a coach, which I've had an opportunity to

1157
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:58,040
Speaker 1: do in my life, Yeah, is the coolest thing ever

1158
00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 1: because they're talking about things that didn't even occur, at

1159
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 1: least not to me for sure, and then you gained

1160
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:06,640
Speaker 1: so much from that. Oh and you know, fortunately because

1161
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 1: I now know a Yeah, it's taken a lot of time,

1162
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 1: a lot of years, but now I can talk to

1163
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 1: coaches and they can talk about concepts and I don't

1164
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:16,399
Speaker 1: even need to be seeing it. I know what they're saying.

1165
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:19,279
Speaker 1: I can visualize it in my mind. You know, just

1166
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 1: because I've been doing it for so long. That's why

1167
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:23,399
Speaker 1: I like the Manning cast. I think the Manning cast

1168
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 1: is a great way for people who want to kind

1169
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:28,400
Speaker 1: of get into that side of football. Here, Yeah, Hayton

1170
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 1: talk about it. No, I agree, I agree. I often

1171
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 1: watched that on Monday Night. It's the best. Yeah, yeah,

1172
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:34,799
Speaker 1: And I do like the fact that he's probably right

1173
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:36,320
Speaker 1: because he was such a student of the game that

1174
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 1: pretty much every interception he threw, somebody on the defense

1175
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 1: didn't do what they were suppected, right, and we're somewhere

1176
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:43,399
Speaker 1: they weren't supposed to be. Well, it's funny you say

1177
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:45,840
Speaker 1: that because I remember interviewing rides Style back years and

1178
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:49,400
Speaker 1: years and years ago, and you talked about an interception

1179
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 1: he threw to Jack Lambert in the Super Bowl and

1180
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:54,239
Speaker 1: at that point, you know, and he probably feels the

1181
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 1: same way to this day. He said Jack Lambert was

1182
00:53:56,719 --> 00:53:59,400
Speaker 1: not where he was supposed to be, you know, right, right,

1183
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:04,520
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, he wasn't accounting right, because yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1184
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 1: I love that. I love that. All right, Let's talk

1185
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 1: for a second about the Browns and obviously, you know,

1186
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:13,960
Speaker 1: bizarre season for a variety of reasons. A lot of adversity.

1187
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:16,399
Speaker 1: They didn't have the season you want it. But now

1188
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:19,680
Speaker 1: it's kind of a clean slates earlier. Now you got

1189
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:21,880
Speaker 1: a full season, a full off season with Deshaun. They

1190
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 1: brought in Bill Musgrave to help out on that offensive

1191
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 1: side of the ball. Was the FANSKI and a VP

1192
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:28,839
Speaker 1: and of course the great Bill Callahan over there when

1193
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:33,000
Speaker 1: yuksa prior prior to the Browns. And then even what

1194
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:35,360
Speaker 1: you saw this year, what kind of a quarterback was

1195
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:37,480
Speaker 1: he in your mind? You know, when twenty twenty leads

1196
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:39,319
Speaker 1: league in passing and then obviously we had the six

1197
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:41,840
Speaker 1: game sample size, But what can he be? Yeah? And

1198
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:43,279
Speaker 1: I don't think he was very good this year, but

1199
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 1: I didn't expect him to be. He hadn't played in

1200
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:47,279
Speaker 1: a long time. Seven hundred days. Yeah, it's a long time.

1201
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 1: I haven't played in a long time. Um. I think

1202
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:52,000
Speaker 1: if you're gonna look at DeShawn Watson at his best,

1203
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:54,600
Speaker 1: you know, he's a he's a high level quarterback in

1204
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 1: this league. Um. You know, he throws it well from

1205
00:54:57,160 --> 00:54:59,799
Speaker 1: the pocket. He's got excellent movement, he's got great vision

1206
00:54:59,840 --> 00:55:02,560
Speaker 1: on the move, He's got really good spatial awareness. I

1207
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:05,600
Speaker 1: think he sees things well, feels things well, throws the

1208
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:07,319
Speaker 1: ball well on the move. I think he's a high

1209
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:09,279
Speaker 1: level quarterback. You know, I'm not into lists, so I'm

1210
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:10,879
Speaker 1: not going to sit here and say he's the fourth

1211
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:12,800
Speaker 1: best of you know, I don't do that. You know

1212
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:14,840
Speaker 1: that you can win with him because without it all question,

1213
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:18,000
Speaker 1: you know, he's a high level quarterback. The assumption is

1214
00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:20,880
Speaker 1: he'll get back to that, and I think that, you know,

1215
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:23,720
Speaker 1: the Browns are in really good position with him at quarterback.

1216
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:28,240
Speaker 1: Is this are we entering a golden era for quarterbacks?

1217
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:30,400
Speaker 1: You just think about quarterbacks are in the AFC alone.

1218
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:36,560
Speaker 1: I know it's wild. I mean you're talking Alan Mahomes, Herbert,

1219
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:41,239
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence, who I think very much after that debacle

1220
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:43,279
Speaker 1: season is looks like the guy that everybody wanted to

1221
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:46,200
Speaker 1: go number one. You got Deshaun, You've got you know,

1222
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:49,160
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson's won an MVP. Different, somewhat different in his

1223
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:52,600
Speaker 1: style and approach, but very dangerous. Who knows what Russell

1224
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:54,279
Speaker 1: Wilson is at this point. But with Sean Payton, I'm

1225
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 1: not going to write him off. But he's in. He's

1226
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:57,319
Speaker 1: been a super Bowl champion. I mean that's just eight

1227
00:55:57,360 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 1: guys in the AFC alone, and we could end up

1228
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 1: with Derek car in the FC back of the were

1229
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:04,239
Speaker 1: getting Abe Aaron Rodgers in the AFC. I mean, it's wild.

1230
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:06,359
Speaker 1: You stack up the quarterbacks in the AFC verse the NFC,

1231
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:09,759
Speaker 1: it's Jalen Hurtson, I'm not sure who. And then but

1232
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:11,719
Speaker 1: is this a golden age where you have just in

1233
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:13,759
Speaker 1: one conference half of the teams have a guy that

1234
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:17,839
Speaker 1: is yeah, I mean no, it's the AFC has those

1235
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 1: high level quarterbacks. It's it's an interesting mix. And I think,

1236
00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:26,120
Speaker 1: you know, it's really interesting now evaluating quarterbacks because more

1237
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:31,440
Speaker 1: than ever, clearly coaches do look for quarterbacks that have

1238
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 1: some movement ability and can make a second reaction plays.

1239
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:38,759
Speaker 1: But there's a balance there because that can't be your

1240
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 1: number one deal because you still have to execute, you know,

1241
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 1: theoretically the routine. You have to be efficient and proficient

1242
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:49,520
Speaker 1: in routine. But clearly we're seeing I mean, all the

1243
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:53,799
Speaker 1: quarterbacks you mentioned, and even Borrow to a certain extent.

1244
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:56,280
Speaker 1: You know, Burrow is not Mahomes or Alan, but Burrow

1245
00:56:56,320 --> 00:57:00,960
Speaker 1: can move, Yeah, and he's a very efficient mover, subtle

1246
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:02,480
Speaker 1: in the pocket, and if you need on third and

1247
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:05,680
Speaker 1: he's gonna get yourself, no, no question. So, I mean

1248
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:09,040
Speaker 1: we clearly have seen that those guys are you know

1249
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:12,800
Speaker 1: that that that trait has become increasingly important, and I

1250
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 1: think it's in response to defenses, because defenses play a

1251
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:19,640
Speaker 1: whole lot more sub now, so you're getting faster athletes

1252
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:21,640
Speaker 1: on the field. I mean now you're even seeing teams

1253
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:24,640
Speaker 1: play with sevent dbs in certain situations, So you're getting

1254
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:27,760
Speaker 1: faster athletes on the field. You're getting a lot more

1255
00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:31,480
Speaker 1: pressure concepts. You know, each year, defensive coordinators are trying

1256
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:35,080
Speaker 1: to figure out, you know, different ways to pressure the quarterback,

1257
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:37,880
Speaker 1: you know, with with splitz schemes, so you know your

1258
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:41,160
Speaker 1: quarterbacks are going to have to move. But having said that,

1259
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 1: you know, when it's third and seven and they rush

1260
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:46,320
Speaker 1: for and they play zone, you know you've got to

1261
00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:48,240
Speaker 1: be able to then hit the throw for nine yards

1262
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:50,560
Speaker 1: and move the chains. And if you can't do that,

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00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:56,600
Speaker 1: then that's a problem, you know. So um so I

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00:57:56,680 --> 00:58:00,440
Speaker 1: think the quarterbacks we're talking about can kind of do both, yep, yep.

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Speaker 1: And I think that's it is a league now where

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Speaker 1: if you want to play at the highest levels and

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Speaker 1: compete for the Super Bowl, and see if you agree

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00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:10,400
Speaker 1: with this, and you have got to be able to

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Speaker 1: throw when they know you have to throw correct and

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00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:14,760
Speaker 1: if you can do that, you have a chance. But

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Speaker 1: you know, it's funny you say that, and I agree

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Speaker 1: a thousand percent, But I also think that in an

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00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:22,400
Speaker 1: odd way, the run game has come back into the

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00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:25,400
Speaker 1: league a little bit. You know, look, we would all

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00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:28,280
Speaker 1: agree that you need a quarterback, you know, a higher

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00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:30,960
Speaker 1: level quarterback or a quarterback having a great year to

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Speaker 1: get to the super Bowl. You know, it's hard. You're

1278
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:35,840
Speaker 1: not getting to the super Bowl with a bad quarterback. Yep, okay,

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Speaker 1: But you know, look at the Super Bowl in the

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Speaker 1: second half. I I imagine that pretty much everybody in

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00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:43,920
Speaker 1: the stadium and watching at home thought that, with the

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00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:46,400
Speaker 1: Chiefs down ten, that the second half was going to

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00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:48,680
Speaker 1: be a Patrick Mahomes second half. They're gonna come out

1284
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:50,880
Speaker 1: and you're just gonna throw the football? What then play

1285
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:53,240
Speaker 1: out that way? They handed it af a lot. But

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00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:55,880
Speaker 1: Mahomes made a couple of plays. He's Mahomes, He's great,

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00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:57,800
Speaker 1: no one's no one's disputing that. And he made a

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00:58:57,840 --> 00:58:59,400
Speaker 1: twenty run with his left right and you know what,

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00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:01,600
Speaker 1: that's okay, but I mean it wasn't like Mahome is

1290
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:03,480
Speaker 1: just coming out and tossing the ball around, you know.

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Speaker 1: And so at some point, and with each team and

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00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:10,120
Speaker 1: each feel of a coach, with their talent and game

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00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:12,960
Speaker 1: flow and all those things that you know, twenty factors

1294
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:15,200
Speaker 1: go into all that, at some point you do need

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00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:17,680
Speaker 1: to run the football. Yeah, well the Browns certainly with

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00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:20,000
Speaker 1: Nick Chubb can do that. Right. I go stream of

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00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:21,800
Speaker 1: conscience for you because you always say things that pique

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00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:23,160
Speaker 1: my interest. So I'm gonna go back to the Super

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00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:25,000
Speaker 1: Bowl really quick because I think this is something that

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00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:28,479
Speaker 1: you loved and it's and I'm talking about Andy Reid.

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00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:32,040
Speaker 1: So when they would send jet motion in the red zone,

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00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:35,640
Speaker 1: they Chiefs figured out that they would the Eagles would

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00:59:35,720 --> 00:59:40,040
Speaker 1: kick instead of running with the responsibilities would rotate across

1304
00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:41,600
Speaker 1: and the corner would go to the top and buzz

1305
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:45,200
Speaker 1: right to pick that up and then come up with

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00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:48,080
Speaker 1: fake jet motions in a Super Bowl to get walk

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00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:50,960
Speaker 1: in touchdowns? Like? Is that the stuff for you that

1308
00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:53,600
Speaker 1: when you think about pouring over hours of film and

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00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:55,480
Speaker 1: the way coaches due to break that down and find

1310
00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:58,240
Speaker 1: that one advantage then to use it at the highest leverage.

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Speaker 1: Moment possible and to see it be that easy, is

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Speaker 1: that just like to me, that's that's just awesome. That's

1313
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Speaker 1: the chess game where you have just checkmated somebody. They see.

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Speaker 1: That's where the super Bowl and the fact that teams

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01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:12,760
Speaker 1: have two weeks and they bring in all their scouts

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Speaker 1: and everybody to watch tape. Because Jacksonville had done that

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Speaker 1: against the Eagles earlier in the season, Yes, it's played

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Speaker 1: that they went back to yes, right, and and so

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Speaker 1: obviously somebody saw that in all the research and decided that,

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Speaker 1: you know what, here's how the Eagles play that. And

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Speaker 1: so what we're gonna do now is we're going to

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Speaker 1: you know, we're gonna try that same play. Because the

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Speaker 1: first touchdown, the one that was to um who caught

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Speaker 1: the first one. He was the second one. First one

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Speaker 1: isis Tony Garyus. Tony was the first one. Correct that one.

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Speaker 1: What the Eagles actually thought they had a really good

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Speaker 1: plan because what they were going to do because the

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Speaker 1: Chiefs normally do jet motion, they don't do the return

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Speaker 1: jet and they did it I think three times earlier

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Speaker 1: in the game too. It makes sure that that's how

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Speaker 1: they were going. So that's what they do. So the

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Speaker 1: Eagles had a plan, and you could say it was

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Speaker 1: a really good plan. What they were going to do

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Speaker 1: because they were in single high in the tight red zone,

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Speaker 1: is they were going to have Darius Slay replaced Chauncey

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Speaker 1: Gardner Johnson as the post safety and have Johnson run

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Speaker 1: across so that Slay would not have to run across

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Speaker 1: and be out leveraged by Tony on the other side. Okay,

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Speaker 1: kick it, yep. So all that happened there, and this

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Speaker 1: is fine work, you know, by and fine detail is

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Speaker 1: Sleigh took his eyes off Tony, and as soon as

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Speaker 1: he took his eyes off Tony, he was done because

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Speaker 1: then Tony returns and Slay didn't see him return. Ye,

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Speaker 1: So it looks like a bust, but it's not a

1345
01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:45,920
Speaker 1: bust in a strict sense, taking advantage of their principles

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01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:48,920
Speaker 1: right right. And then and then on the second one

1347
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Speaker 1: to to sky More, they did the same thing that one.

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01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:55,080
Speaker 1: Avante Mannox just went brain dead. He just ran inside

1349
01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:58,040
Speaker 1: and and you know, had no idea. But the first

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Speaker 1: one I think came from really clear film study that

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01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:05,200
Speaker 1: you know, they they they knew how the Eagles would

1352
01:02:05,240 --> 01:02:07,880
Speaker 1: play it, and they were gonna you know. That was

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Speaker 1: their answer to me. That is what is so cool

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01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:13,320
Speaker 1: about the National Football I couldn't agree more. See, that's

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Speaker 1: what I've transitioned. By the way, You're the only person

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Speaker 1: that I know that I would talk to and with

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Speaker 1: reference that it came from the Jacks game. I love it,

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Speaker 1: I um, you know, And that's one of the things,

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Speaker 1: you know, when I do that, I've sort of transitioned

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Speaker 1: watching the NFL. I don't watch players as much in

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Speaker 1: the NFL as much as I love the schemes and

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Speaker 1: the tactics. Then when I switched to college, I really

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Speaker 1: enjoy it because now I start watching players more. But

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Speaker 1: like you know, I've had writers call me up and say,

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm doing an all pro team. You know

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Speaker 1: who your who your guards? And I say, guys, I'd

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Speaker 1: love to help you, but I don't watch the game

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01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:46,960
Speaker 1: like that anymore. Like I can't tell you, you know,

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Speaker 1: with few exceptions, but I can't really I'm not studying

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Speaker 1: you know, left guards. We'll stand for Joel Matonio, don't

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Speaker 1: and he's a good player in there, right. Yeah. I

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Speaker 1: hope you enjoy Part one of our interview with the

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Speaker 1: great Great cosl from NFL Films and our own Nathan Zigura.

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Speaker 1: We'll take a time out when we come back, Part

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Speaker 1: two of that interview as we get you a little

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Speaker 1: a listen, so you watch the scheme. So let's talk

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Speaker 1: about that. What's the biggest kind of evolution as you've

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01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:19,160
Speaker 1: seen it? And then to kind of drill it down

1395
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Speaker 1: to the Browns. We know what Kevin Stefanski has done.

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Speaker 1: Every quarterback gets played for him, is that their best

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Speaker 1: year with him? Jacob ri set was as efficient that.

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Speaker 1: I thought he had a pretty good year. He played

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Speaker 1: significantly better than our record indicated eleven. There's no doubt

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Speaker 1: about that. What's kind of the evolution in the schemes

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Speaker 1: and then in our scheme and specific what does it

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Speaker 1: do that stresses defenses so effectively and can be so

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Speaker 1: quarterback friendly? Well, I mean, I think my senses Stefanski

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Speaker 1: in an ideal world, you know, again, things change over

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01:04:48,520 --> 01:04:50,960
Speaker 1: the course of any given season. You know, I think

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Speaker 1: in an ideal world, Stefanski is a really good run

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Speaker 1: game coach. You know, I think that that the use

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Speaker 1: of the mix of the zone and the gap scheme

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Speaker 1: run game is really strong. You know. Once they got Wyatteller,

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Speaker 1: who's one of the best pulling guards in the league.

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Speaker 1: As far as gap scheme runs. You know, they realize that, hey,

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Speaker 1: we got a guy that's really really good at that,

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Speaker 1: so we need to add that element to our run

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Speaker 1: game because he was thought of, as you know, as

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Speaker 1: a zone guy. But you know you have to and

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Speaker 1: plus fronts. Look, there's more five man fronts than ever

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Speaker 1: in this league, okay, And it's very very hard to

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Speaker 1: run inside mid zone versus five man reduced fronts. It's

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Speaker 1: just hard. It's so you either have to work outside

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Speaker 1: with more outside zone or stretch zone, or do more

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Speaker 1: gap scheme where you can down block on those three

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Speaker 1: techniques and then work around. So teams have started to

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Speaker 1: add more teams that are traditional zone teams like the

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Speaker 1: forty nine ers have added more gap scheme because it's

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Speaker 1: a better way to attack those five man fronts that

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Speaker 1: are permeating the NFL. So I think Stefanski at his

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Speaker 1: core would like to have that start with his offense. Now.

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Speaker 1: The question is because he has a dynamic quarterback now

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Speaker 1: who's more than just an executor and a ball distributor

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Speaker 1: who can make plays. And you know, I don't like

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Speaker 1: saying that phrase, but you know what I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: it's a shade phrase. But you know who can who

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Speaker 1: can do things beyond just execute the play design? Right?

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Speaker 1: You know, the question is does he I don't want

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Speaker 1: to say does he change his offense because he's not

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Speaker 1: going to change you know, the whole concept of but yes,

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Speaker 1: and what is the sort of what is the balance,

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Speaker 1: what's the what's the division of labor so to speak,

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Speaker 1: between the run game now in the past game that

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Speaker 1: could change, it should veer more towards the pack. It

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Speaker 1: could well do that. We don't know the answer to that,

1442
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Speaker 1: but it could well do that because you have a

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Speaker 1: quarterback that is capable of making second reaction plays if

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Speaker 1: it for whatever reason he doesn't see it within the

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Speaker 1: structure of the play. Is what Kyle Shanahan did, speaking

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Speaker 1: of somebody who has his offense like a ballet op

1447
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Speaker 1: right instructure, what he did with brock Purty as you

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Speaker 1: broke that down, was that one of the most stunning

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Speaker 1: accomplishment in coaching and then execution that you've seen. You know,

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Speaker 1: that offense is you know, you hate I hate the

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Speaker 1: term quarterback friendly because it's one of those things that

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Speaker 1: doesn't really mean anything, but and maybe it does people

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Speaker 1: more clearly decisions. Well, that's what it does, right. I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's the thing that Kyle does exceptionally well, is look

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Speaker 1: you want I had a great conversation with it with

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Speaker 1: an OC today and he talked about, you know the

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Speaker 1: fact that when you when you call plays in the

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Speaker 1: past game, what you're really trying to do on every

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Speaker 1: single play. Of course it doesn't work on every single play,

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Speaker 1: is generate the primary read being open for the quarterback.

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Speaker 1: That's what you're trying to do, right, right, It doesn't

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Speaker 1: happen all the time, but someone like Kyle Shanahan does

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Speaker 1: that exceptionally well. And you know so I'm not saying

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Speaker 1: that brock Purdy didn't play well, but there's always a

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Speaker 1: mix and a match between quarterback play and scheme, and

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Speaker 1: you know it, sometimes that gets lost with people. You know,

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Speaker 1: they think, oh, they think, oh brock Purdy he's great.

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Speaker 1: Now brock Purty played really at a high level. That's

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Speaker 1: not in dispute. But he played in a scheme and

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Speaker 1: an offense that was really that presented him and generated

1471
01:08:16,439 --> 01:08:20,479
Speaker 1: him able to make those define first primary read throws

1472
01:08:21,320 --> 01:08:24,720
Speaker 1: a good percentage at a time, and that's what you want, right,

1473
01:08:25,040 --> 01:08:28,160
Speaker 1: you know, read this. If they do this, they do

1474
01:08:28,280 --> 01:08:31,639
Speaker 1: that goes there? Right? Yeah, And you know, so that's

1475
01:08:31,760 --> 01:08:34,919
Speaker 1: that's what you're trying to accomplish as a coach. Yeah, absolutely,

1476
01:08:35,120 --> 01:08:37,000
Speaker 1: Obviously he did it well. And that's what I think

1477
01:08:37,120 --> 01:08:39,320
Speaker 1: you asked Jacobe Brissette from his time, right, that's what

1478
01:08:39,400 --> 01:08:43,120
Speaker 1: our offense is, right, right? Why do you think there

1479
01:08:43,240 --> 01:08:45,920
Speaker 1: aren't more teams? And there are more, probably than ever,

1480
01:08:46,040 --> 01:08:49,200
Speaker 1: but that are built off of those principles. You know,

1481
01:08:49,320 --> 01:08:51,559
Speaker 1: sometimes are just like straight drop back game and they

1482
01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:53,920
Speaker 1: can be effective because they've got the weapons outside to

1483
01:08:54,320 --> 01:08:57,040
Speaker 1: dictate coverages. But I think that scheme is maybe not

1484
01:08:57,160 --> 01:08:58,960
Speaker 1: more prevalent than it is or is it, But I

1485
01:08:59,000 --> 01:09:01,120
Speaker 1: think it is prevalent, you know. And in the coach

1486
01:09:01,200 --> 01:09:03,719
Speaker 1: I spoke to today, he said that he keeps counted

1487
01:09:03,800 --> 01:09:06,759
Speaker 1: fourteen teams that sort of build off the Shanahan model.

1488
01:09:07,080 --> 01:09:08,960
Speaker 1: So I mean that's a lot of teams. That's almost

1489
01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:11,000
Speaker 1: half the league. So I think it is prevalent. Then

1490
01:09:11,040 --> 01:09:13,400
Speaker 1: it comes down to the specific coach. Just like in

1491
01:09:13,479 --> 01:09:16,080
Speaker 1: any business, some people are better than others, you know.

1492
01:09:16,479 --> 01:09:19,200
Speaker 1: But I think methodology wise, there's a lot of teams

1493
01:09:19,280 --> 01:09:21,200
Speaker 1: that do that. Yeah, And it's I think it's fun

1494
01:09:21,280 --> 01:09:23,040
Speaker 1: to see and I think for the quarterbacks, and Deshan

1495
01:09:23,080 --> 01:09:25,360
Speaker 1: talked about how interesting is in this offense what is

1496
01:09:25,439 --> 01:09:28,960
Speaker 1: asked of him is actually significantly less in some ways

1497
01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:30,519
Speaker 1: than what was asked him in Houston in terms of

1498
01:09:31,160 --> 01:09:33,200
Speaker 1: pointing out the mic, setting all the protections. He was

1499
01:09:33,200 --> 01:09:35,599
Speaker 1: responsible for everything there and in this scheme the quarterbacks,

1500
01:09:35,680 --> 01:09:38,680
Speaker 1: that's more focus on coverage and deliver the football. Look

1501
01:09:38,680 --> 01:09:41,880
Speaker 1: look at the Eagles. Okay, no argument that Jalen Hurts

1502
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:44,720
Speaker 1: has improved dramatically and is a great and by the way,

1503
01:09:44,760 --> 01:09:47,240
Speaker 1: the kid is unbelievable, just in terms of his approach.

1504
01:09:47,439 --> 01:09:49,519
Speaker 1: I mean, he's one of those guys. You know, Josh

1505
01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:51,600
Speaker 1: Allen's one of those guys. Jalen Hurts is one. You know,

1506
01:09:51,680 --> 01:09:53,920
Speaker 1: those are just the guys that they get it, they

1507
01:09:54,040 --> 01:09:58,080
Speaker 1: understand it, they you know, they know, they go about

1508
01:09:58,120 --> 01:10:01,160
Speaker 1: their their business the right way. Okay, But the Eagles

1509
01:10:01,200 --> 01:10:05,320
Speaker 1: are not a multidimensional complex passing game, you know the

1510
01:10:05,479 --> 01:10:09,400
Speaker 1: Eagles are. You know, the Eagles do a lot of

1511
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:13,839
Speaker 1: The Eagles do a small number of things really really

1512
01:10:14,040 --> 01:10:17,559
Speaker 1: welly low Okay, which is no knock on Jalen Hurts.

1513
01:10:17,640 --> 01:10:19,880
Speaker 1: The reason they can do that is because of the

1514
01:10:19,960 --> 01:10:22,519
Speaker 1: Hurts factor. Because when he's in the gun with all

1515
01:10:22,560 --> 01:10:25,680
Speaker 1: the run game elements that that presents and what the

1516
01:10:25,800 --> 01:10:28,280
Speaker 1: impact it therefore has on the defense and how they

1517
01:10:28,360 --> 01:10:31,560
Speaker 1: have to line up, they don't have to have, you know,

1518
01:10:31,880 --> 01:10:34,920
Speaker 1: seventy five different deals in the pass game. They can

1519
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:38,120
Speaker 1: be they can have a few because they know how

1520
01:10:38,240 --> 01:10:41,599
Speaker 1: the defense has to be structured. Because of his run

1521
01:10:41,680 --> 01:10:45,519
Speaker 1: game element, that they can really hone in on five

1522
01:10:45,680 --> 01:10:49,360
Speaker 1: or six core concepts, repeat them, repeat them, repeat them,

1523
01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:52,800
Speaker 1: just from different personnel and formation lugs. And this is

1524
01:10:52,840 --> 01:10:55,120
Speaker 1: the way they can run a really efficient pass game.

1525
01:10:55,280 --> 01:10:57,120
Speaker 1: And then add in the fact that they they've got

1526
01:10:57,200 --> 01:11:00,280
Speaker 1: big time talent and then all you know, you don't

1527
01:11:00,320 --> 01:11:03,080
Speaker 1: need a hundred things, right, you know. And I hope

1528
01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:05,479
Speaker 1: people listening don't think that that's any knock on Jalen

1529
01:11:05,560 --> 01:11:07,639
Speaker 1: Hurts at all. No, it's just not at all. It's

1530
01:11:07,680 --> 01:11:10,160
Speaker 1: a pick your poison situation. Yeah, they don't have to

1531
01:11:10,240 --> 01:11:13,479
Speaker 1: run a hundred things, right, you know, because of him

1532
01:11:13,560 --> 01:11:15,679
Speaker 1: and the run game el I mean, the pass game

1533
01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:20,880
Speaker 1: can be, Hey, here's our five concepts. Let's be amazingly

1534
01:11:20,960 --> 01:11:24,160
Speaker 1: efficient at those. Just get to them different ways, and

1535
01:11:24,439 --> 01:11:25,840
Speaker 1: you know what, we can have a big time pass

1536
01:11:25,880 --> 01:11:28,920
Speaker 1: game absolutely mentioned receivers and obviously the talent they have

1537
01:11:28,960 --> 01:11:31,680
Speaker 1: out White Plante Smith, A J. Brown, Browns. I think

1538
01:11:31,720 --> 01:11:33,960
Speaker 1: in Amari cooperv to me one of the most fun

1539
01:11:34,120 --> 01:11:36,640
Speaker 1: route runners to watch in the NFL. You want to

1540
01:11:36,680 --> 01:11:38,120
Speaker 1: get a little bit of speed in there. And I

1541
01:11:38,240 --> 01:11:40,120
Speaker 1: know you've started to look at the receivers in the draft.

1542
01:11:40,200 --> 01:11:41,760
Speaker 1: We are at the combine after all that we're just

1543
01:11:41,800 --> 01:11:44,439
Speaker 1: talking ball, But are there some guys here? And I

1544
01:11:44,520 --> 01:11:46,120
Speaker 1: know you and I talked earlier about the young man

1545
01:11:46,200 --> 01:11:49,360
Speaker 1: from Cincinnati, Tyler Scott. Tyler Scott as kind of and

1546
01:11:49,479 --> 01:11:51,880
Speaker 1: he's probably I would say Tyler Scott and Jalen Hyatt,

1547
01:11:52,040 --> 01:11:54,800
Speaker 1: maybe a few others. They're gonna run four three or under.

1548
01:11:55,360 --> 01:11:58,040
Speaker 1: The chances of them at forty two probably slim for

1549
01:11:58,080 --> 01:12:01,880
Speaker 1: the Browns. I mean, look, you know, it depends on

1550
01:12:02,040 --> 01:12:05,000
Speaker 1: how you look, how you see receivers. You know, the

1551
01:12:05,160 --> 01:12:09,360
Speaker 1: question becomes, you know, do teams see those guys as

1552
01:12:09,520 --> 01:12:12,599
Speaker 1: more than just speed guys? You know, but speed guys

1553
01:12:12,680 --> 01:12:15,080
Speaker 1: get drafted high. Will Fuller a couple of years ago,

1554
01:12:15,240 --> 01:12:18,280
Speaker 1: and I don't think he's as good a receiver coming

1555
01:12:18,360 --> 01:12:22,840
Speaker 1: out to me as either Jalen Hyatt or Tyler Scott,

1556
01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:25,960
Speaker 1: but he won twenty first. I believe in the draft

1557
01:12:26,200 --> 01:12:29,400
Speaker 1: because speed ends up being a big deal. It's pretty

1558
01:12:29,400 --> 01:12:32,080
Speaker 1: good with Deshaun Watson right right, And he actually got

1559
01:12:32,160 --> 01:12:34,760
Speaker 1: better as a receiver. Yeah, you know, he was a

1560
01:12:34,840 --> 01:12:37,040
Speaker 1: speed guy and then he kind of learned how to

1561
01:12:37,160 --> 01:12:39,280
Speaker 1: run routes a little better and he got better before

1562
01:12:39,280 --> 01:12:41,479
Speaker 1: the injuries. I guess he didn't even play this year.

1563
01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:43,880
Speaker 1: Really no, But is he out there as a free agent.

1564
01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:45,920
Speaker 1: He is be interesting to see if a team like

1565
01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:48,559
Speaker 1: Cleveland goes after him. It would Yes, that's something we've

1566
01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:52,680
Speaker 1: we've banned it, right, that makes sense, but um uh,

1567
01:12:53,320 --> 01:12:55,479
Speaker 1: you know. But but both those guys are probably gonna

1568
01:12:55,520 --> 01:12:57,759
Speaker 1: run four three or better because they're just those guys

1569
01:12:57,880 --> 01:12:59,679
Speaker 1: and those are those are the names that I've heard

1570
01:13:00,040 --> 01:13:01,760
Speaker 1: would fit what the Browns are looking for. I mean,

1571
01:13:01,800 --> 01:13:04,160
Speaker 1: are they looking for that speed guy? Because you got

1572
01:13:04,240 --> 01:13:07,439
Speaker 1: a Mari who can win everywhere possible. Donovan People's Jones

1573
01:13:07,439 --> 01:13:10,040
Speaker 1: has developed nicely. You've drafted David bell. I kind of

1574
01:13:10,080 --> 01:13:14,120
Speaker 1: like Donovan people Jones. Great kid, yeah, great kid, and

1575
01:13:14,240 --> 01:13:16,720
Speaker 1: he's gotten better every year. He works. He talking about

1576
01:13:16,760 --> 01:13:19,160
Speaker 1: doing it the right way, works hard, He's worked on

1577
01:13:19,240 --> 01:13:21,320
Speaker 1: his body worked on his craft. Yeah, I kind of

1578
01:13:21,360 --> 01:13:24,040
Speaker 1: like here, yeah, yeah, good sye. But yeah, I mean,

1579
01:13:24,439 --> 01:13:26,599
Speaker 1: you know, and then if they're looking for that, I'm

1580
01:13:26,640 --> 01:13:29,479
Speaker 1: trying to think another receiver I like a lot on tape,

1581
01:13:29,520 --> 01:13:31,080
Speaker 1: and I don't think he'll be there at forty two

1582
01:13:31,160 --> 01:13:34,000
Speaker 1: is a Flowers. I really like his tape a lot.

1583
01:13:34,080 --> 01:13:36,320
Speaker 1: I think it fits the NFL game today, can work

1584
01:13:36,360 --> 01:13:38,439
Speaker 1: at all three levels. You can do jet sweeps or

1585
01:13:38,439 --> 01:13:41,360
Speaker 1: a bit reverses screen game. You know. I really like

1586
01:13:41,520 --> 01:13:43,680
Speaker 1: Zay Flowers. Yeah, that's and that's really what they're looking for.

1587
01:13:43,760 --> 01:13:47,400
Speaker 1: They're looking for somebody that can create space vertically horizontally.

1588
01:13:47,520 --> 01:13:50,400
Speaker 1: He's that guy. That's he's and he's a little more

1589
01:13:50,439 --> 01:13:54,840
Speaker 1: advanced receiver than than Hyatt and uh and Scott in

1590
01:13:55,000 --> 01:13:57,639
Speaker 1: terms of you know, all all the elements of receiving.

1591
01:13:57,760 --> 01:13:59,839
Speaker 1: All right, well we will put them on the Browns wishless,

1592
01:14:00,080 --> 01:14:03,000
Speaker 1: signed off, stamped, sealed, delivered by Great co Sell. Let's

1593
01:14:03,000 --> 01:14:05,400
Speaker 1: talk about these quarterbacks really quickly, because I know that

1594
01:14:05,520 --> 01:14:07,479
Speaker 1: you love to do that. I love reading your quarterback

1595
01:14:07,600 --> 01:14:10,240
Speaker 1: right ups every year. I think it's you are so

1596
01:14:10,479 --> 01:14:13,000
Speaker 1: thorough in your evaluation of them. What do you make

1597
01:14:13,080 --> 01:14:17,320
Speaker 1: of this class just ins in general. I think there's

1598
01:14:17,320 --> 01:14:19,760
Speaker 1: a lot more questions in this class than people are

1599
01:14:19,840 --> 01:14:22,640
Speaker 1: willing to admit. But because their quarterbacks, they're going to

1600
01:14:22,680 --> 01:14:25,439
Speaker 1: be drafted high, so we know that. Let's push that aside.

1601
01:14:25,640 --> 01:14:28,799
Speaker 1: That's going to happen if that's the positions that important correct,

1602
01:14:29,439 --> 01:14:32,280
Speaker 1: So let's let's be as brief as possible. I think

1603
01:14:32,320 --> 01:14:35,120
Speaker 1: the best natural thrower in this class is CJ. Stroud.

1604
01:14:35,600 --> 01:14:38,360
Speaker 1: I think Stroud has a natural ability to throw with

1605
01:14:38,479 --> 01:14:41,080
Speaker 1: pace and touch, to make those feather layered throws that

1606
01:14:41,200 --> 01:14:44,000
Speaker 1: you have to make in the NFL. He's an accurate passer.

1607
01:14:44,200 --> 01:14:47,160
Speaker 1: I think he sees things well. He's got enough movement.

1608
01:14:47,200 --> 01:14:49,720
Speaker 1: We saw in the Georgia game that he can do that,

1609
01:14:50,240 --> 01:14:53,720
Speaker 1: so we'll assume that that can be added to his game.

1610
01:14:54,880 --> 01:14:56,240
Speaker 1: You know, if I had to make a list, he'd

1611
01:14:56,280 --> 01:15:00,840
Speaker 1: probably be my number one guy. Okay, I really really

1612
01:15:00,960 --> 01:15:06,599
Speaker 1: like Bryce Young, but you know, you have to decide

1613
01:15:06,600 --> 01:15:09,400
Speaker 1: how you feel about his size. I was told by

1614
01:15:09,439 --> 01:15:12,600
Speaker 1: someone who knows that he played in the National Championship

1615
01:15:12,640 --> 01:15:14,560
Speaker 1: Game a year ago versus George or one hundred and

1616
01:15:14,560 --> 01:15:17,599
Speaker 1: sixty nine pounds, So I mean, so even if he's

1617
01:15:17,600 --> 01:15:20,320
Speaker 1: one eighty five. You know, how do you feel about

1618
01:15:20,320 --> 01:15:22,479
Speaker 1: a five eleven, one hundred and eighty five pound quarterback

1619
01:15:22,520 --> 01:15:25,599
Speaker 1: in the NFL. It feels like they would be very

1620
01:15:25,640 --> 01:15:28,760
Speaker 1: difficult to survive with the I mean the monsters chasing you.

1621
01:15:28,960 --> 01:15:31,880
Speaker 1: And in some ways he's like Mahomes. He has unbelievable

1622
01:15:31,960 --> 01:15:36,240
Speaker 1: spatial awareness. He sees things, he feels things, he knows

1623
01:15:36,280 --> 01:15:39,400
Speaker 1: where everybody is. I mean, he just has a knack

1624
01:15:39,520 --> 01:15:42,960
Speaker 1: for finding space. I mean, he's a really good football player.

1625
01:15:43,240 --> 01:15:45,880
Speaker 1: Do you think it would Behoove four of the best

1626
01:15:46,360 --> 01:15:48,640
Speaker 1: likely to have success for him? That it is a

1627
01:15:48,760 --> 01:15:51,000
Speaker 1: Houston Ord is an indie, so that he's playing indoors?

1628
01:15:51,880 --> 01:15:53,640
Speaker 1: Does that help him with edit sizes have to deal

1629
01:15:53,640 --> 01:15:56,280
Speaker 1: with the elements? And I think it would. Yeah, Yeah, yeah,

1630
01:15:56,640 --> 01:15:58,880
Speaker 1: I think it would. So again, he's a really good

1631
01:15:58,920 --> 01:16:01,160
Speaker 1: football And by the way, I know Bryce Young and

1632
01:16:01,240 --> 01:16:03,800
Speaker 1: I know his family. The guy's gonna blow everybody away.

1633
01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:07,960
Speaker 1: He's absolutely brilliant. He's going to step in and be

1634
01:16:08,040 --> 01:16:09,960
Speaker 1: able to run any offense and be ready to play

1635
01:16:10,080 --> 01:16:13,559
Speaker 1: day one. He's that kind of kid. Bill O'Brien gave

1636
01:16:13,680 --> 01:16:16,080
Speaker 1: him total freedom at the line of scrimmage in his

1637
01:16:16,240 --> 01:16:19,240
Speaker 1: first year playing, and Bill O'Brien, as you probably know,

1638
01:16:19,400 --> 01:16:21,400
Speaker 1: is a bit of a control freak. So to give

1639
01:16:22,479 --> 01:16:25,160
Speaker 1: Bryce Young that kind of freedom, that tells you how

1640
01:16:25,200 --> 01:16:28,559
Speaker 1: smart Bryce Young is. So he's going to pass every

1641
01:16:28,640 --> 01:16:31,960
Speaker 1: single test, every single test, He'll be like Andrew Luck

1642
01:16:32,040 --> 01:16:33,960
Speaker 1: in that regard. The problem is he's going to be

1643
01:16:34,000 --> 01:16:36,200
Speaker 1: five all and I'm sure he gained weight just so

1644
01:16:36,360 --> 01:16:38,519
Speaker 1: he could have a good number at the combine, but

1645
01:16:38,640 --> 01:16:40,680
Speaker 1: he's not playing weight. That's not going to be his

1646
01:16:40,720 --> 01:16:42,680
Speaker 1: playing weight, right, what do you make the young man

1647
01:16:42,760 --> 01:16:46,360
Speaker 1: from Florida is probably the biggest ceiling and lowest floor.

1648
01:16:46,520 --> 01:16:50,120
Speaker 1: So so Anthony richards and you start getting into how

1649
01:16:50,240 --> 01:16:55,160
Speaker 1: you what value ascribe to traits? Okay, because Anthony Richardson

1650
01:16:55,240 --> 01:16:59,479
Speaker 1: has three things that immediately stand out great size, a

1651
01:16:59,600 --> 01:17:03,200
Speaker 1: power hose, and he can run. There's very little subtlety

1652
01:17:03,280 --> 01:17:05,559
Speaker 1: to his game. You think of like a Joe Burrow.

1653
01:17:05,600 --> 01:17:07,640
Speaker 1: And I'm not trying to compare Richardson to Borrow, but

1654
01:17:07,760 --> 01:17:11,000
Speaker 1: you think of what makes a Burrow great the nuances

1655
01:17:11,000 --> 01:17:13,920
Speaker 1: of the positions, almost the details of the position, the

1656
01:17:14,160 --> 01:17:17,640
Speaker 1: discipline craft nature of the position, which you have to

1657
01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:21,240
Speaker 1: have to some degree in the NFL. Okay, Burrow has

1658
01:17:21,280 --> 01:17:23,679
Speaker 1: it at a very very high level. You know, Josh

1659
01:17:23,760 --> 01:17:26,160
Speaker 1: Allen doesn't have it at the same level as Burrow,

1660
01:17:26,280 --> 01:17:30,519
Speaker 1: but Josh Allen can door things, right. Richardson doesn't really

1661
01:17:30,560 --> 01:17:32,640
Speaker 1: have any of that at this moment in time. But

1662
01:17:32,720 --> 01:17:34,800
Speaker 1: he hasn't played a lot of football. You know, he's

1663
01:17:34,800 --> 01:17:37,400
Speaker 1: a one year's daughter. You know, you have to decide

1664
01:17:37,400 --> 01:17:41,640
Speaker 1: as a coach, can you get to that balance, you know,

1665
01:17:41,720 --> 01:17:45,880
Speaker 1: at least cross the line where he can execute and

1666
01:17:46,120 --> 01:17:50,040
Speaker 1: be enough of a nuanced player that you can live

1667
01:17:50,080 --> 01:17:51,679
Speaker 1: with the fact that he's going to miss some things

1668
01:17:52,080 --> 01:17:55,280
Speaker 1: because he can do cool things and special things right,

1669
01:17:55,520 --> 01:17:59,599
Speaker 1: So he's he's a total projection. You have to feel

1670
01:17:59,720 --> 01:18:04,160
Speaker 1: real league good about him up mentally. And I don't

1671
01:18:04,200 --> 01:18:06,200
Speaker 1: mean I Q you know, because I don't get in

1672
01:18:06,280 --> 01:18:08,160
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know any of that. But I

1673
01:18:08,360 --> 01:18:10,760
Speaker 1: spoke to a coach who said that with the year

1674
01:18:10,880 --> 01:18:13,240
Speaker 1: Josh Allen came out, he was actually with a team

1675
01:18:13,560 --> 01:18:16,640
Speaker 1: that it was the Baker Mayfield here, so he was

1676
01:18:16,680 --> 01:18:19,360
Speaker 1: with a team that needed a quarterback. And he said,

1677
01:18:19,840 --> 01:18:21,920
Speaker 1: I had all kinds of problems with Josh Allen's tape,

1678
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Speaker 1: but then I spent a lot of time with Josh

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01:18:23,760 --> 01:18:26,680
Speaker 1: Allen and I came away saying that guy's gonna make

1680
01:18:26,760 --> 01:18:29,519
Speaker 1: it because of just who he was, and that'd be

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01:18:29,520 --> 01:18:31,200
Speaker 1: important to him to do what he had to do.

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01:18:31,680 --> 01:18:34,160
Speaker 1: So Anthony Richardson needs to be that guy. Yeah. I

1683
01:18:34,200 --> 01:18:36,320
Speaker 1: don't know Anthony richard but he needs to be that guy.

1684
01:18:36,479 --> 01:18:38,320
Speaker 1: So meetings for him are gonna be very right. Will

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01:18:38,400 --> 01:18:44,160
Speaker 1: Levis compact power thrower, velocity thrower, can make every throw great, trades,

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01:18:44,240 --> 01:18:49,800
Speaker 1: looks the part little steph Um needs to be protected. Um,

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01:18:50,000 --> 01:18:52,640
Speaker 1: I think needs it pretty well defined for him, or

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01:18:52,760 --> 01:18:56,120
Speaker 1: certainly early on. Um sounds like Jay Cutler. To me,

1689
01:18:56,160 --> 01:18:59,519
Speaker 1: it sounds like Jay Cutler. I don't watch enough of this.

1690
01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:03,439
Speaker 1: Maybe you know, maybe there's a comparison there, um, but

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01:19:04,400 --> 01:19:07,200
Speaker 1: you know, to me, Will Levis and he may make

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01:19:07,240 --> 01:19:09,000
Speaker 1: it and be really good, But I don't think in

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01:19:09,080 --> 01:19:11,519
Speaker 1: an ideal world, Will Levis is a number. It's a

1694
01:19:11,560 --> 01:19:14,880
Speaker 1: first round pick, but he will be nature of the beasts. Yeah,

1695
01:19:15,160 --> 01:19:17,080
Speaker 1: and who knows, maybe there's another you know, I don't

1696
01:19:17,120 --> 01:19:19,720
Speaker 1: think you know who knows If Hendon Hooker gets in there,

1697
01:19:19,760 --> 01:19:22,200
Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, but but we know quarterbacks

1698
01:19:22,240 --> 01:19:24,280
Speaker 1: are going to be drafted high. Last one. We'll get

1699
01:19:24,320 --> 01:19:26,840
Speaker 1: you out of here on this Justin Fields and your

1700
01:19:26,920 --> 01:19:30,720
Speaker 1: evals compared to this year's class. Justin Fields is a

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01:19:30,840 --> 01:19:35,559
Speaker 1: physical specimen with a big, big arm and dynamic athletic ability.

1702
01:19:36,920 --> 01:19:41,719
Speaker 1: Didn't see things great, didn't react to pressure. Great. Um again,

1703
01:19:41,880 --> 01:19:45,600
Speaker 1: perfect example of he has to cross that line to

1704
01:19:45,800 --> 01:19:51,240
Speaker 1: at least be functional as a ball distributor and executor. Correct. Yeah, right,

1705
01:19:52,120 --> 01:19:55,160
Speaker 1: we know he's dynamic in terms of his you know,

1706
01:19:55,280 --> 01:19:58,320
Speaker 1: his running ability, his ability to make special plays. But

1707
01:19:58,800 --> 01:20:01,880
Speaker 1: right now he's beneath the line of being, you know,

1708
01:20:02,520 --> 01:20:06,479
Speaker 1: an efficient pocket quarterback. And you need that. You need that.

1709
01:20:07,080 --> 01:20:08,720
Speaker 1: That's right, we started that at the top. You need

1710
01:20:11,360 --> 01:20:13,920
Speaker 1: Dehawn Watson is that guy. He can make special plays,

1711
01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:17,080
Speaker 1: but he can beat you from the pocket. Deshaun Watson

1712
01:20:17,160 --> 01:20:20,640
Speaker 1: was a really good quarterback. Yes, and certainly hope that

1713
01:20:20,800 --> 01:20:22,960
Speaker 1: he gets back there. Yeah, this is the best. I

1714
01:20:23,040 --> 01:20:24,560
Speaker 1: love talking. I can talk Baul with you. Yeah, this

1715
01:20:24,640 --> 01:20:27,200
Speaker 1: is great for I love these conversations. Say, yeah, thank

1716
01:20:27,240 --> 01:20:29,639
Speaker 1: you so much man, such a pleasure, such a plan.

1717
01:20:29,720 --> 01:20:31,280
Speaker 1: I'm really happy for you and Nathan that you're doing.

1718
01:20:31,479 --> 01:20:33,599
Speaker 1: You know, thank you games and that's great. Thank you. Well,

1719
01:20:33,640 --> 01:20:35,040
Speaker 1: one of these days I gotta get together with you

1720
01:20:35,080 --> 01:20:36,840
Speaker 1: and just come watch tape with you. Hey, Love, you

1721
01:20:36,960 --> 01:20:38,360
Speaker 1: can come to films. You could if you want to

1722
01:20:38,360 --> 01:20:40,320
Speaker 1: come to films, you know, give me a shout. It's

1723
01:20:40,320 --> 01:20:42,519
Speaker 1: been a couple of years. We'll watch tate. I will

1724
01:20:42,560 --> 01:20:46,040
Speaker 1: do that you. Thanks the great great coat cell. We'll

1725
01:20:46,040 --> 01:20:47,920
Speaker 1: be back with more of Cleveland Brown's Daily Live from

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01:20:47,920 --> 01:20:51,560
Speaker 1: the Scouting Combine in Indie on eight fifty esp in

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01:20:51,640 --> 01:20:58,680
Speaker 1: Cleveland Live from the NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis. This

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01:20:59,200 --> 01:21:01,880
Speaker 1: is Cleveland Brown Daily, brought to you by Bally Bet.

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01:21:02,200 --> 01:21:07,080
Speaker 1: Coming soon to Ohio on eight fifty ESPN Cleveland, Welcome

1730
01:21:07,080 --> 01:21:09,599
Speaker 1: back to Cleveland Brown's Daily Live from the twenty twenty

1731
01:21:09,640 --> 01:21:14,200
Speaker 1: three NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis. Clem Browns Daily brought

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01:21:14,200 --> 01:21:17,960
Speaker 1: to you by Bally Bet, coming soon to Ohio. Very

1733
01:21:18,120 --> 01:21:21,599
Speaker 1: very happy now a big luminary of the combine, NFL

1734
01:21:21,720 --> 01:21:24,640
Speaker 1: Network and the rich eyes and show, which I think

1735
01:21:24,720 --> 01:21:26,639
Speaker 1: Larry David would admit, that's that's a sign that you've

1736
01:21:26,680 --> 01:21:30,080
Speaker 1: made it your name show period. Good to see a book,

1737
01:21:30,120 --> 01:21:32,600
Speaker 1: Great to see you. I'm great, I'm great. Good. I

1738
01:21:32,680 --> 01:21:34,679
Speaker 1: love the cow. Do you still like the combine? Love it? Yeah?

1739
01:21:34,760 --> 01:21:39,320
Speaker 1: Me too? Oh yeah. I mean, the combine is now

1740
01:21:40,840 --> 01:21:45,360
Speaker 1: a staple for many reasons, and um one of them

1741
01:21:45,479 --> 01:21:47,840
Speaker 1: is a room like this didn't exist when we first

1742
01:21:47,880 --> 01:21:50,240
Speaker 1: started doing it. Oh five was the first combine I

1743
01:21:50,320 --> 01:21:52,720
Speaker 1: went too, and a room like this didn't exist where

1744
01:21:53,479 --> 01:21:57,280
Speaker 1: they're mimicking radio row from the Super Bowl and then

1745
01:21:57,360 --> 01:22:00,560
Speaker 1: around the corner or all these podiums that are in

1746
01:22:00,600 --> 01:22:04,439
Speaker 1: the same room where coaches speak and the prospects speak.

1747
01:22:05,200 --> 01:22:10,040
Speaker 1: That wasn't the case. So we're all jonesing for football

1748
01:22:10,080 --> 01:22:13,080
Speaker 1: because it's now been two actual weekends in a row

1749
01:22:13,160 --> 01:22:17,120
Speaker 1: without it, with all due respect to the XFL. So

1750
01:22:18,160 --> 01:22:22,200
Speaker 1: now everybody's in here talking about the storylines that shows

1751
01:22:22,240 --> 01:22:25,719
Speaker 1: like yours and mine have been chewing up and wondering

1752
01:22:25,760 --> 01:22:29,120
Speaker 1: about for two weeks, and we actually get guys at

1753
01:22:29,160 --> 01:22:32,280
Speaker 1: podiums giving updates that aren't really updates, and we read

1754
01:22:32,320 --> 01:22:35,679
Speaker 1: into what is an update, and then the combine happens,

1755
01:22:35,880 --> 01:22:40,360
Speaker 1: and then everybody watches what I've been fortunate to be

1756
01:22:40,439 --> 01:22:44,519
Speaker 1: part of with NFL Network, which is the renewal process

1757
01:22:44,680 --> 01:22:48,840
Speaker 1: where everybody is looking at every player out there and saying,

1758
01:22:49,040 --> 01:22:52,000
Speaker 1: my team could use that guy that's right for me.

1759
01:22:52,439 --> 01:22:54,559
Speaker 1: Last year for the Jets, as you know, I grew

1760
01:22:54,640 --> 01:22:57,840
Speaker 1: up a Jet fan. I saw Sauce Gardner and he

1761
01:22:57,960 --> 01:22:59,960
Speaker 1: had me at hello, and I'm like, that's the guy.

1762
01:23:00,240 --> 01:23:03,679
Speaker 1: And I did my best to speak it into existence. Um,

1763
01:23:04,040 --> 01:23:06,400
Speaker 1: and then it became a reality. So that's the way

1764
01:23:06,479 --> 01:23:09,200
Speaker 1: that it works. I'm sure there'll be Browns fans out

1765
01:23:09,280 --> 01:23:13,240
Speaker 1: here thinking we need this player, that player, that player.

1766
01:23:13,360 --> 01:23:16,280
Speaker 1: You're hoping that that player can actually fall in the draft,

1767
01:23:16,360 --> 01:23:20,439
Speaker 1: and that in that your your evaluation aligns with that

1768
01:23:20,640 --> 01:23:23,479
Speaker 1: of the Browns and hope. It's about renewal. It's about

1769
01:23:23,600 --> 01:23:27,000
Speaker 1: seeing these kids get faster and stronger every year. And

1770
01:23:27,040 --> 01:23:31,120
Speaker 1: then and then everybody getting together for a convention um

1771
01:23:31,760 --> 01:23:35,479
Speaker 1: uh of of football to try and answer the questions

1772
01:23:35,520 --> 01:23:37,519
Speaker 1: that we're all wondering. When we're going to get the answer.

1773
01:23:37,520 --> 01:23:39,640
Speaker 1: It becomes football Vegas for a few days, which is

1774
01:23:39,640 --> 01:23:42,080
Speaker 1: all it is. It is, and you know, and it's um.

1775
01:23:42,800 --> 01:23:45,240
Speaker 1: I love coming here. It's been a blast. I just

1776
01:23:45,400 --> 01:23:48,920
Speaker 1: like being here and just uh, you know, calling the

1777
01:23:48,960 --> 01:23:53,920
Speaker 1: action like I'm calling a golf tournament. Got a whisper

1778
01:23:54,000 --> 01:23:58,080
Speaker 1: because my voice carries um and uh. And it's like

1779
01:23:58,200 --> 01:24:00,640
Speaker 1: a laboratory in that stadium. It's pretty cool. It is

1780
01:24:00,800 --> 01:24:03,280
Speaker 1: very cool and something also cool. You mentioned getting stronger

1781
01:24:03,320 --> 01:24:06,200
Speaker 1: and faster every year. Run Rich run, Yes, which is

1782
01:24:06,240 --> 01:24:08,200
Speaker 1: one of the great things that you do the charity.

1783
01:24:08,240 --> 01:24:12,000
Speaker 1: You're out there, you're flying. I've noticed it flying. You're flying.

1784
01:24:12,240 --> 01:24:14,880
Speaker 1: I don't know. Actually, it's what I did to get here.

1785
01:24:15,120 --> 01:24:18,680
Speaker 1: I flew. I'm not really flying, but I'm I'm you know,

1786
01:24:18,760 --> 01:24:22,040
Speaker 1: it's interesting. I'd love that people ask me about it, because, Uh,

1787
01:24:22,240 --> 01:24:26,360
Speaker 1: it means my run hasn't gone for naught certainly UM.

1788
01:24:26,560 --> 01:24:28,920
Speaker 1: And then you know, starting about six years ago, I

1789
01:24:29,000 --> 01:24:32,839
Speaker 1: started doing it for charity for Saint you Children's Research Hospital.

1790
01:24:33,000 --> 01:24:35,479
Speaker 1: And then when COVID hit and there was no combine,

1791
01:24:35,520 --> 01:24:39,120
Speaker 1: we did it in UM, we did it in Los Angeles.

1792
01:24:39,280 --> 01:24:42,600
Speaker 1: We did it on the fly in Los Angeles in

1793
01:24:42,840 --> 01:24:47,080
Speaker 1: Sofi Stadium. Uh. In twenty twenty one, we did that

1794
01:24:48,080 --> 01:24:52,720
Speaker 1: UM and so UH. When we did that, we got

1795
01:24:53,080 --> 01:24:57,880
Speaker 1: more UM legends running it, NFL legends, community folks running it,

1796
01:24:58,040 --> 01:25:01,280
Speaker 1: and more people paying attention, and we raise more money

1797
01:25:01,320 --> 01:25:03,960
Speaker 1: than ever. So it behooved me to do it again.

1798
01:25:04,240 --> 01:25:06,400
Speaker 1: Last year I did it at the Rose Bowl. So

1799
01:25:06,760 --> 01:25:11,639
Speaker 1: I'm I'm transitioning to run it in Los Angeles in April. Well,

1800
01:25:11,800 --> 01:25:15,040
Speaker 1: the reason why it's smart, Nate is because the years

1801
01:25:15,080 --> 01:25:17,640
Speaker 1: that I ran it here, um, I would run it

1802
01:25:17,720 --> 01:25:19,680
Speaker 1: at the end of sitting on my ass in a

1803
01:25:19,760 --> 01:25:26,160
Speaker 1: broadcast booth all day, like literally feeling my hip Flexor's

1804
01:25:26,280 --> 01:25:30,719
Speaker 1: titan while I sat in poor posture, eating crappy food

1805
01:25:31,080 --> 01:25:32,800
Speaker 1: for six seven hours, and then I have to go

1806
01:25:32,960 --> 01:25:35,000
Speaker 1: stretch and run. And this is on the back end

1807
01:25:35,040 --> 01:25:37,760
Speaker 1: of my busy schedule where you know this just in

1808
01:25:37,920 --> 01:25:40,800
Speaker 1: covering the NFL as you know, well, you look pretty fit.

1809
01:25:40,960 --> 01:25:45,280
Speaker 1: It it's like it does not it does not engender

1810
01:25:45,840 --> 01:25:49,280
Speaker 1: smart food choices. That's right throughout the year. So now

1811
01:25:49,360 --> 01:25:50,760
Speaker 1: that I have it till you know, I can do

1812
01:25:50,840 --> 01:25:52,760
Speaker 1: it in April, then at some point, you know, no

1813
01:25:52,840 --> 01:25:55,040
Speaker 1: one's gonna want to watch a guy pushing sixty run

1814
01:25:55,160 --> 01:25:58,160
Speaker 1: in anyway. I don't believe though, because it's a it's

1815
01:25:58,160 --> 01:26:00,240
Speaker 1: a great cause you're so I'm doing it in LA

1816
01:26:00,360 --> 01:26:02,160
Speaker 1: is my long window way of saying it. I like

1817
01:26:02,320 --> 01:26:04,800
Speaker 1: that though, because now it is it's that's the main

1818
01:26:04,880 --> 01:26:06,720
Speaker 1: event of your day that day. You're gonna build up

1819
01:26:06,720 --> 01:26:08,760
Speaker 1: to that, You're gonna be primed, and I think it

1820
01:26:09,080 --> 01:26:11,559
Speaker 1: is a record. Well, I appreciate you saying that I'll

1821
01:26:11,600 --> 01:26:14,840
Speaker 1: also be well rested and well trained. I think hydrated.

1822
01:26:15,040 --> 01:26:17,719
Speaker 1: I hydrated. You know. Here, it's just again, I'm tired.

1823
01:26:18,240 --> 01:26:21,840
Speaker 1: I just spent six seven hours on television. Now you

1824
01:26:21,920 --> 01:26:24,160
Speaker 1: want me to run the least well rounded event. I'm

1825
01:26:24,200 --> 01:26:26,600
Speaker 1: talking about guys in shorts, running in straight lines and

1826
01:26:26,760 --> 01:26:28,640
Speaker 1: jumping in the air and now here, I am like you,

1827
01:26:28,920 --> 01:26:32,320
Speaker 1: like I'm stretching, like literally doing that. It wasn't great,

1828
01:26:32,720 --> 01:26:35,400
Speaker 1: it was not the best. So but you know what,

1829
01:26:35,560 --> 01:26:39,000
Speaker 1: it's the it's the benefits, the ripples that have come

1830
01:26:39,040 --> 01:26:41,760
Speaker 1: out of Run Rich Run. That's why. And I appreciate that.

1831
01:26:41,920 --> 01:26:44,439
Speaker 1: Thank you. Absolutely. You talked about the Jets earlier, lit

1832
01:26:44,680 --> 01:26:46,280
Speaker 1: I did. We're not going to talk about week two.

1833
01:26:46,320 --> 01:26:48,679
Speaker 1: That's a that's a deal that we're making right now. Well,

1834
01:26:48,680 --> 01:26:51,400
Speaker 1: I mean no, it's fine, Sure, we can, we can,

1835
01:26:51,560 --> 01:26:54,439
Speaker 1: we can. We can move on from that trauma. Still,

1836
01:26:54,520 --> 01:26:57,120
Speaker 1: the trauma is very real. I mean, Corey Davis is

1837
01:26:57,280 --> 01:27:01,599
Speaker 1: open um. You know, he he's somebody that you're talking

1838
01:27:01,600 --> 01:27:03,760
Speaker 1: about it. Okay, okay, sorry about Yeah, So let's talk

1839
01:27:03,760 --> 01:27:06,800
Speaker 1: about the Jets because you said, how excited each other

1840
01:27:06,960 --> 01:27:12,320
Speaker 1: in the know the of're gonna convene revis Cleco. Come on,

1841
01:27:12,760 --> 01:27:16,080
Speaker 1: how about that, Joe Thomas. It's gonna be it's gonna

1842
01:27:16,080 --> 01:27:19,200
Speaker 1: be a real treat. But you mentioned Sauce Gardner. You

1843
01:27:19,360 --> 01:27:24,120
Speaker 1: didn't mention Garrett Wilson. Offensive and defensive rookies of the year.

1844
01:27:24,560 --> 01:27:26,720
Speaker 1: Same team, Yes, same draft. That's got to make you

1845
01:27:26,800 --> 01:27:29,120
Speaker 1: excited about the future. Sure, and Breece Hall is a

1846
01:27:29,160 --> 01:27:31,200
Speaker 1: guy who could have who could have won it had

1847
01:27:31,240 --> 01:27:34,519
Speaker 1: not gotten hurt. Look, it's it's a quarterback driven league.

1848
01:27:34,680 --> 01:27:37,000
Speaker 1: You know it, I know it. Um. That's the reason

1849
01:27:37,040 --> 01:27:40,120
Speaker 1: why the Browns gave Deshaun Watson the contract they gave him,

1850
01:27:40,320 --> 01:27:43,840
Speaker 1: even though it is causing major problems in so many

1851
01:27:43,920 --> 01:27:48,720
Speaker 1: other places. Um and uh, potentially Cleveland's when it's all

1852
01:27:48,760 --> 01:27:52,280
Speaker 1: said and done. Um. But if you see a quarterback

1853
01:27:52,439 --> 01:27:55,200
Speaker 1: that you feel as generationally talented, you go get him.

1854
01:27:55,920 --> 01:27:58,760
Speaker 1: Um and um. The Jets try to do that in

1855
01:27:58,840 --> 01:28:01,960
Speaker 1: the draft two years ago, and um, and here we

1856
01:28:02,040 --> 01:28:04,880
Speaker 1: are again. And so I don't I don't have an

1857
01:28:04,880 --> 01:28:08,400
Speaker 1: answer as to how how they're going to fill their

1858
01:28:08,479 --> 01:28:11,400
Speaker 1: quarterback spot. I mean, they're they're meeting with Derek Carr

1859
01:28:11,479 --> 01:28:14,120
Speaker 1: here today. I'm in search of that meeting to crash

1860
01:28:14,479 --> 01:28:16,120
Speaker 1: you are Are you going in there to make a

1861
01:28:16,200 --> 01:28:21,040
Speaker 1: sales pitch? I think they're making their sales pitch. It

1862
01:28:21,160 --> 01:28:23,960
Speaker 1: would be to tell them, don't wait for Rogers, don't

1863
01:28:24,000 --> 01:28:26,800
Speaker 1: wait for him. So you would be go if if

1864
01:28:26,880 --> 01:28:29,160
Speaker 1: this is the guy and you like him, and you've

1865
01:28:29,200 --> 01:28:31,400
Speaker 1: met him and you've connected with him, and he's connected

1866
01:28:31,439 --> 01:28:33,559
Speaker 1: with you, and you think you can win with him,

1867
01:28:33,680 --> 01:28:37,360
Speaker 1: and you think if the contract is one that that

1868
01:28:37,760 --> 01:28:41,759
Speaker 1: that you can handle financially, then do it. Because Rogers

1869
01:28:41,800 --> 01:28:44,600
Speaker 1: will cost you draft choices. Lamar Jackson will cost you

1870
01:28:44,840 --> 01:28:47,920
Speaker 1: even more, that's right, than what you're gonna have to

1871
01:28:47,960 --> 01:28:51,040
Speaker 1: be getting giving to Green Bay to get Aaron Rodgers.

1872
01:28:51,560 --> 01:28:55,720
Speaker 1: Derek Carr is just Woody Johnson's money, So go get him.

1873
01:28:56,360 --> 01:28:58,679
Speaker 1: I would. I would say, you have planted your flag.

1874
01:28:58,840 --> 01:29:01,000
Speaker 1: You want car planted Wilson, and then you don't trade

1875
01:29:01,120 --> 01:29:03,640
Speaker 1: Zach Wilson. No, you you just let him continue to

1876
01:29:04,040 --> 01:29:07,920
Speaker 1: maybe learn, grow, develop. I guess whatever that means. I

1877
01:29:07,920 --> 01:29:10,720
Speaker 1: don't know what it means. Just so all right, two things. One,

1878
01:29:11,040 --> 01:29:13,120
Speaker 1: so you planted your flag. There have you talked about

1879
01:29:13,640 --> 01:29:16,840
Speaker 1: this with LD are you guys on board? I have

1880
01:29:16,960 --> 01:29:19,760
Speaker 1: not hashed this one out with him. Um okay, I'm

1881
01:29:19,840 --> 01:29:23,160
Speaker 1: curious if he's if he's given up on Zach or not.

1882
01:29:24,200 --> 01:29:28,320
Speaker 1: I'd imagine he imagine. I imagine he has. But I

1883
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Speaker 1: it's entirely possible the kids starts week one. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I do believe they're gonna walk out of the free

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Speaker 1: agency period with somebody significant consequence. But I just don't know.

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Speaker 1: It's possible that Zach is the guy and that they

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Speaker 1: Derek carrs like, you know what, I want to go

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Speaker 1: to a spot for the rest of my career, and

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Speaker 1: the Jets are like, well, there, we still have this

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Speaker 1: kid that were we put too many assets into being

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Speaker 1: well you know, uh, blood sweat, tears in a number

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Speaker 1: two overall pick U. I don't know. You gotta admit

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Speaker 1: sometimes maybe it'll work out for from somewhere else, but

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Speaker 1: sometimes you have to admit your mistakes. Right, that's I

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Speaker 1: mean mistake. I mean the kid. The kid hasn't shown much,

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Speaker 1: but he also hasn't you know, gotten to play much, right,

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Speaker 1: And let's see what happens with with the kid, uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, and the new OC. But I think they're

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Speaker 1: gonna get it. I think they're gonna go get the

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Speaker 1: que me. I think they will do. I like the

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Speaker 1: car idea to me, the Michigans around look at Rogers Michigan.

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Speaker 1: Yeah you like that? I did. Yeah, I got a

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Speaker 1: little eyebrow raised. I didn't. That's a word I didn't expect.

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Speaker 1: Do you want to explain what that means? People? Just

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Speaker 1: it would be the kind of the trouble, the trouble,

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Speaker 1: the issues, the constant. Yeah, just a lot of too much, right, Yeah?

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Speaker 1: That almost a sound release. Okay, yeah, yea, it is

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Speaker 1: so Yeah, good one. You've never locked yourself in a

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Speaker 1: dark room. You're a man who loves the light, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean, come on, that's not true. I mean Browns

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Speaker 1: fans will attest as well. I mean, for me, Aaron Rodgers,

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Speaker 1: sitting in the dark is a perfect way to prepare

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Speaker 1: to go to the Jets. It feels like I just

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Speaker 1: don't know that I've been handled fifty three years of

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Speaker 1: darkness therapy. It's called watching the Jets. Well, sure you

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Speaker 1: feel the same way. Hopefully, hopefully we'll soon meet in

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Speaker 1: an AFC Championship game. Real treat. Yeah, it would be rich.

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Speaker 1: This has been pleasure. Thanks appreciate it, Thank you very much.

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Speaker 1: Normally at this point. Nathan Zigaro would say so much

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Speaker 1: more to come, but we are out of time. We

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Speaker 1: have maxed out all of our time and there is

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Speaker 1: no more here today. From Indianapolis and the NFL Combine,

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Speaker 1: shout out and special thank you to ESPN, NFL Draft

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Speaker 1: Analyst Jordan Reid, NFL Network Draft Guru Daniel Jeremiah, NFL

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Speaker 1: Films legend Greg Cosell, and of course NFL Network uh Face,

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Speaker 1: the face of the NFL Network, Rich Eisen. Shout out

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Speaker 1: to Bow Bishop Anathan Zigura. Thanks to everybody here in Indianapolis,

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Speaker 1: our whole Combine crew for an outstanding job. Connor Lawrence

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Speaker 1: behind the scenes doing a yeoman's effort this week, Shout

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Speaker 1: out to him. And we are hitting the road and

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Speaker 1: we are on our way back to the Clee. We

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Speaker 1: will join you tomorrow from the Cross Country Mortgage Campus

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Speaker 1: and Barria. Coming up on the show tomorrow Chris Rose

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Speaker 1: from the NFL Network, Dane Bruegler from The Athletic, a

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Speaker 1: few more interviews that we were able to tape earlier

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Speaker 1: this week from Indianapolis. Looking forward to rejoining you tomorrow

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Speaker 1: from back home for Bo Bishop for Nathan Zigura. Also,

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Speaker 1: I would be remiss if I didn't shout out the

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Speaker 1: guy behind the scenes, Nick Paulus, spinning the dials and

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Speaker 1: helping us out all week. From a technical standpoint, outstanding

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Speaker 1: job by you, my friend. You get one more day

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Speaker 1: this week with me and then a solid two days

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Speaker 1: off even though we know it's not two days off.

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Speaker 1: Pauli's great job, Connor Lawrence, great job. I'm Jason Gibbs.

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Speaker 1: The next level is next. You're listening to Cleveland Browns Daily,

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