1 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:11,039 Speaker 1: Welcome Bird Gang, and welcome back victory Monday's on today's show. Yeah, 2 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:13,800 Speaker 1: we'll celebrate a little have two. Winning on the road 3 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 1: in the NFL is hard, regardless of the opponent. The 4 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 1: offense much better, great balance. The question is why we'll 5 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:25,239 Speaker 1: get into that. But first the bad news. How does 6 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 1: this team make up for the loss of Chandler Jones. 7 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 1: It's Cardinals Cover two, Episode three thirty and it starts now. 8 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:40,640 Speaker 1: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two with Craig Grigolu and Mike Jarecki. 9 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 1: Cardinals Cover two is presented by Hyunday, proud partner of 10 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:50,560 Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals, and by Arizona Cardinals Podcasts. Visit Easy 11 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 1: Cardinals dot com Slash podcasts. Murray rolls to the right, 12 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 1: throws near sight of Fritz bart Head. He's into the 13 00:00:56,520 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 1: nside to the touchdown. Here's Craig Griolu and Mike Jareckie. 14 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 1: It is amazing and Jean, how much better on Monday 15 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 1: feels after a win? That's why they call it a 16 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 1: victory Monday. And well, yeah, I've building much better today 17 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:16,679 Speaker 1: than I did the previous two Mondays. The Cardinals get 18 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 1: the win a bounce back game is how you described 19 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 1: it on Cardinal Talk. But yes, certainly much needed for 20 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:26,840 Speaker 1: this team now above five hundred at three and two 21 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 1: as they beat the Jets thirty to ten. Yeah. I 22 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:32,039 Speaker 1: remember the last year the Cardinals went on a three 23 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:34,960 Speaker 1: game winning streaks starting in Week five, and so they 24 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:39,199 Speaker 1: already have three wins heading into Week six on Monday 25 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 1: Night Football. But you know, again, if they would have 26 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 1: lost that game, the sky would have been falling. They 27 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 1: need to fire every single one. They got to move 28 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 1: on from Murray. And again, it's the NFL. I always 29 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 1: tell people, and I know there was it was the Jets. 30 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 1: I just want to make that very clear. Okay, it's 31 00:01:57,240 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 1: the Jets. I get it. But those guys get paid too. 32 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 1: They had the same salary cap remicifications whether they allot it. 33 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 1: They've changed general managers, they're probably going to change head coaches, 34 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 1: so they're in a different spot. But you play the 35 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 1: teams on your schedule. The NFL makes the schedule and 36 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 1: they tell you to show up at this place. You're 37 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 1: not going to show up. I'm being facetious, but I 38 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:20,919 Speaker 1: understand Cardinal fans. You know they pump the brakes. No, 39 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:22,960 Speaker 1: if this team would have lost. It would have been 40 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 1: a lot worse. They played with some energy, they played 41 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 1: with passion. Do they play, you know, a full game 42 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:31,919 Speaker 1: sixteen minutes? I'll tell you what they did. They played 43 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 1: well on offense when they needed to, defense and special teams. 44 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:37,959 Speaker 1: Now you'd like to put that together for a full 45 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:41,080 Speaker 1: sixty minutes. We talked about that first month of the season. 46 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 1: I think we saw flashes and we're going to get 47 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:45,800 Speaker 1: into it when it came to the passing game yesterday. 48 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:49,799 Speaker 1: For the offense, I think what the Cardinals accomplished is 49 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:53,399 Speaker 1: what you would expect a team in their position to 50 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 1: accomplish against a bad opponent. They went on the road. 51 00:02:57,360 --> 00:02:59,800 Speaker 1: It's never easy to win on the road, but they 52 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 1: did what they needed to do. They got the job done. 53 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 1: It was impressive final score and final stat line. And 54 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 1: now everyone can feel a lot better heading into the 55 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:11,920 Speaker 1: next stretch of games, which is going to be a 56 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 1: much different stretch than these first five contests. And I 57 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 1: thought Kyle Murray said it best afterwards, quote, I don't 58 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 1: want anybody on the team to feel satisfied with what 59 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 1: happened today, just because that's not what it's going to 60 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 1: be every weekend. And I hope everyone knows that Sundays 61 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:32,360 Speaker 1: aren't easy. End quote. I'll say this though, MJ. It 62 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 1: certainly beats the alternative. Yeah, and it's probably a bad analogy. 63 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 1: But when the Jets played the Broncos, Donald was in 64 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 1: there and they scored twenty eight points. Now, obviously Flacco 65 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 1: a little surprising he was running it. They found a 66 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 1: little bit of rhythm maybe in that third quarter with 67 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 1: Jamison Crowder. But for the most part, I thought the 68 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 1: Cardinals offensive line did a good job and protection. You know, 69 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 1: we can go back to Murray taking all those sacks 70 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 1: last year. Again, when you listen to Cliff Kingsbury, whether 71 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 1: it's after the game, we got a chance to hear 72 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 1: him on Monday afternoon, like we always do. I'm not 73 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 1: speaking for him, but I feel like you and I've 74 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 1: talked about this in the past. I just a lot 75 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:17,920 Speaker 1: of times when arians would talk on a Monday, I 76 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 1: thought it was hyperbole. Like David Johnson left one hundred 77 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:22,360 Speaker 1: and twenty yards on the field and you go back 78 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 1: and watch the film. I feel like the Cardinals felt 79 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:28,280 Speaker 1: like they left some points on the field yesterday. Yeah, 80 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:31,280 Speaker 1: thirty is a lot. It tied a season high. Yet 81 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 1: at the same time you hear from the head coach 82 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 1: and you hear from the players after the ball game 83 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 1: that there was certainly a lot more out there on 84 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 1: the field, so to speak. Kingsbury keeps bringing up the 85 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:44,599 Speaker 1: negative plays, the sacks, though Murray was only sacked the 86 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 1: one time, but it happened in a part of a 87 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:50,359 Speaker 1: game that helps stall a drive. The penalties too many 88 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:53,839 Speaker 1: of them, there were ten, and Kingsbury brought this up, 89 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:56,119 Speaker 1: which I found interesting. I had to go back and look, 90 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:59,359 Speaker 1: the Cardinals have been penalized more than any other team, 91 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:03,159 Speaker 1: but that's not what's fascinating. They have been penalized more 92 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:08,719 Speaker 1: in their three wins nine eleven and ten times versus 93 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 1: seven and five in their two losses. On the surfaces, 94 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:16,920 Speaker 1: that's inexplicable. I mean, I don't know how you dive 95 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:19,600 Speaker 1: into that and figure it out. But in the wins 96 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 1: they are they make more mistakes, apparently, don't. I don't know. 97 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 1: You think it's the opposite. And then the other stat 98 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 1: that came to light here on this Monday afternoon is 99 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:35,159 Speaker 1: something that the league is calling stalled drives, and the 100 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 1: Cardinals lead this category, which is not a good category 101 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 1: to lead in fifteen times this season through five games, 102 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 1: so at least three times a game on average, the 103 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 1: Cardinals have had drives stalled via penalties significant enough to 104 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:56,720 Speaker 1: scuttle a possession. And that's the definition of what stalled 105 00:05:56,839 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 1: drives are. And again, I don't know, we could certainly 106 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 1: look back at all five games and kind of figure 107 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 1: out what those drives are. But it's easy to see 108 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 1: looking at Sunday. You know, Kevin Beecham was called fore 109 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:10,599 Speaker 1: holding that helped stall a drive. Justin Pugh was called 110 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 1: fore holding, and there was a delay of game that 111 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 1: helped stall a drive. So there are instances that we notice. 112 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 1: Yet now all of a sudden, there is a stat 113 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 1: to back it up. And if you're the head coach 114 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:24,360 Speaker 1: and the coaching staff, you bring in this to your 115 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:28,280 Speaker 1: team meeting, your position group meeting and say, look, it's us, 116 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 1: we're stopping ourselves, not the opponent. Yeah. And when you 117 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:36,039 Speaker 1: mentioned fifteen, and you have some numbers of some other 118 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:39,040 Speaker 1: teams just to get our you know, our listeners and idea. 119 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 1: You know, obviously teams that are probably with winning records, 120 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:45,720 Speaker 1: they're probably going to be a lot less than fifteen. 121 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:48,599 Speaker 1: But Craig, if you just take thirty three percent of that. 122 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 1: That's let's just say thirty three percent of fifteen opportunities, 123 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 1: whether it's seven or three. I mean, now we're talking, 124 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:59,360 Speaker 1: you know, at least seven points a game. Now you're 125 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 1: getting into twenty five to thirty three thirty five. And 126 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 1: that's why, again me just thinking out loud, I feel 127 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 1: like when we talked to him, and it varies week 128 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 1: to week, but yesterday was a prime attemper. They felt 129 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 1: like they left some points out there. And that's something 130 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 1: that obviously is going to stall this offense if they're 131 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 1: ever going to be more consistent. And we'll get into it, 132 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 1: because I thought they showed flashes. I thought the passing game. 133 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 1: You know, I've been harping on Murray eleven to nineteen yards. 134 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 1: He was much better there. He was twelve or fourteen 135 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 1: in the second half. He made plays the guys obviously 136 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:40,559 Speaker 1: the Hopkins plays, but I thought the passing game showed progress. Now, 137 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 1: as I mentioned a cliff today, you still we still 138 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 1: don't know the identity of your offense. And here we 139 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 1: are the second year in this offense. So and you know, 140 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 1: Dan Arnold didn't play as much, so they went with 141 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 1: the tight end. That's something he did last year at 142 00:07:56,440 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 1: this time. I think getting Christian kirkback really helps Larry 143 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 1: Fitzgerald being involved. But I thought we saw flashes. I 144 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 1: know that you're gonna go through some drives where they 145 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 1: stalled and they gave the other team opportunities, and when 146 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 1: you play better teams, they're gonna take advantage of that. 147 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 1: Here's that note that you were talking about as far 148 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 1: as the stall drives, and I'm getting this from Greg Ahman, 149 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 1: who covers the Tampa Bay Buccaneers for the Athletic and 150 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 1: he brought it up because the Buccaneers have fourteen stall drives, 151 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 1: which is the second most behind the Cardinals. Patriots have 152 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 1: just one, the Titans two, and then fifteen teams five 153 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 1: or fewer. So that is kind of a gauge on 154 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 1: where the Cardinals are versus the rest of the league. 155 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 1: And it's not good, but it certainly paints a picture 156 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 1: for the head coach to go in and say, look, guys, 157 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 1: we certainly need to get a lot better if we 158 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 1: hope to be better as a team. And now instead 159 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:53,679 Speaker 1: of three wins, we're getting to four and five and 160 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:56,679 Speaker 1: moving up the ladder. Because it's only to get more difficult. 161 00:08:56,960 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 1: And that's why we go back to those losses earlier 162 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 1: in the season, the Lions and Panthers. That's why those 163 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:05,960 Speaker 1: potentially could stick out like a sore thumb, because those 164 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:09,200 Speaker 1: are the teams that you need to beat, have to beat. 165 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 1: Although I'll give credit to the Panthers, they're on a 166 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 1: roll right now. And then when you get to the 167 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 1: tougher teams, that's when you know it's a coin flip. 168 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 1: But your margin for error right now here in twenty 169 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:24,200 Speaker 1: twenty is very slim because of what happened earlier in September. Yeah, 170 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 1: and we know, if if you don't win the turnover battle, 171 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 1: and now obviously they had the one turnover, but if 172 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 1: you don't win the turnover battle, and in quite frankly, 173 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 1: penalties are down this year in the National Football League 174 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:39,319 Speaker 1: and scoring is up, and the Cardinals kind of just 175 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:41,560 Speaker 1: you know, tread and water in both of those areas 176 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:44,440 Speaker 1: right now, and that's gonna cost you a game because 177 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:46,719 Speaker 1: you know not to look ahead, but you're gonna have 178 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:48,679 Speaker 1: to score points against the Cowboys, and I know they're 179 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 1: gonna have the backup quarterback. We'll get into it. But 180 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:52,839 Speaker 1: and then Seattle. They can score points. Now. I don't 181 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 1: know how good their defenses are, but now the Cardinals 182 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 1: are gonna have to match that. You know, but I 183 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:02,840 Speaker 1: thought they showed flat but more. The one word we 184 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:07,079 Speaker 1: keep here and now consistency. It's a new buzzword. We 185 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 1: get a new word each and every week, it seems 186 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 1: from the Arizona Cardinals as far as what we want 187 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 1: to start trending on social shooting ourselves in the foot. 188 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 1: This is a good get back game. We're disappointed we play, 189 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 1: you know, but consistency. And I think it's true though, Craig, 190 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 1: because if they can play as a unit like that yesterday, 191 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 1: you're gonna win some games, you know. But if you 192 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 1: take a step back like you played in the Lions 193 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 1: game or the Panthers games, you're gonna lose those games. 194 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 1: And we know the schedule is gonna get more difficult 195 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 1: as we get, you know, to the bye week in 196 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:39,439 Speaker 1: the second half. Bird Gang, make sure you update to 197 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 1: the latest version of the Cardinals mobile app today. The 198 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 1: update features an all new redesign on homescreen experience. Visit 199 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:50,080 Speaker 1: easy Cardinals dot com slash app for more. We'll turn 200 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 1: our attention to the offense here in a moment as 201 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 1: far as more in depth discussion on what we saw 202 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 1: on Sunday, But do want to point out that it 203 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 1: wasn't all good news of the Cardinals on Sunday. You know, 204 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 1: everyone by now knows about Chandler Jones. No further update 205 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:09,560 Speaker 1: from the head coach. Jones scheduled for an MRI on Monday, 206 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 1: and then, in the words of Kingsbury, will go from there. 207 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 1: The hope is mj that whatever this MRI shows, if 208 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:22,959 Speaker 1: it's torn partially torn, there is a possibility now the team, 209 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 1: actually Jones's He'll have to figure out what his options 210 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 1: are and then the team make its decision as well. 211 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 1: But there are possibilities of Jones being able to return 212 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 1: this season, maybe not right away, but the potential of 213 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:41,839 Speaker 1: perhaps rehab non surgical and then making him available at 214 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:44,959 Speaker 1: some point here in twenty twenty, or you undergo surgery 215 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:48,000 Speaker 1: and the season is lost. Basically, those are the two options, 216 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 1: and if you're Jones and the Cardinals, you have to 217 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:52,440 Speaker 1: kind of figure out what is best for one the 218 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:57,439 Speaker 1: player and then two perhaps long term for the Cardinals. Yeah, well, 219 00:11:57,480 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 1: I'm hoping for the best, but I think him playing 220 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:04,320 Speaker 1: at some point. Kind of wishful thinking, but that's why 221 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 1: they have the MRI, and that's why you have doctors, 222 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 1: and you know, hopefully he'll have options. You know, you know, 223 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 1: we you know, we obviously there's a difference between a 224 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 1: tear and a partial tear, so I don't want to speculate, 225 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 1: but they have mentioned it is a bicept injury. Yeah, 226 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 1: it's a huge loss. I mean, I'm not gonna you know, 227 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 1: we can talk about next man up. And you know, 228 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 1: Dennis Gardeck, you know, they were throwing the football. You know, 229 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 1: it's it's different when you're first and ten and they're 230 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 1: coming at you. I think Dennis Cardeck is a great 231 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:37,680 Speaker 1: story and Kylie Fitz is getting more time, very consistent there, 232 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 1: Reddick hopefully Canard returns. Yeah, it's a it's a huge loss, 233 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 1: and I can appreciate next man up, and you know, 234 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 1: I hope channels around the team because he's a he 235 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:50,439 Speaker 1: could be a leader in that locker room, he could 236 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 1: be a leader on the field. He can help guys 237 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 1: in practice. You know, obviously you don't have to wait 238 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 1: for the surgery and the recovery, but he will rehab, 239 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 1: likely in the Valley here, so getting ahead of myself. 240 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 1: But yeah, I just I mean, and I know he 241 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 1: was off to a slow start, but he makes guys 242 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:09,559 Speaker 1: around him better. I think that's evident what the defensive 243 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 1: line is doing. I think when you look at Hickson 244 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 1: and Campbell, they were drawing, you know, some different looks 245 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:18,720 Speaker 1: this year because of Chandler. I think Vans try to 246 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:21,760 Speaker 1: move him around. But I'm not going to sugarcoat it's 247 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 1: a huge loss. And Kingsbury said the same thing quote 248 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 1: He's a huge part of this deal talking about Chandler Jones, 249 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 1: the play I believe in which he got hurt. I 250 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:34,719 Speaker 1: went back and looked at it this morning. Jets had 251 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 1: the ball first and fifteen at the Cardinals fifteen yard line. 252 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 1: It was after the Murray interception. Jones wasn't really in 253 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 1: on this play. It was a running play to Levy 254 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 1: on Bell and at the end of it, as Bell 255 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:50,079 Speaker 1: is going down because he was getting tackled, his helmet 256 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 1: collided with Jones's right arm, and Jones immediately looked at 257 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:57,680 Speaker 1: the arm and in Buddha Baker was nearby, and it 258 00:13:57,720 --> 00:14:00,840 Speaker 1: sounds seemed like based off watching on television, there was 259 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 1: a quick conversation between the two. Jones stayed on the 260 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:06,679 Speaker 1: field for one more snap and then went to the sideline. 261 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:08,960 Speaker 1: He ended up going to the locker room, came back 262 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 1: to the sideline, and TV footage caught him trying to 263 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:14,319 Speaker 1: figure out if he could go back, and he was 264 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 1: working out with Jordan Phillips, remember correctly, and he made 265 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 1: a move with his right arm and immediately dropped it 266 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 1: and he's like, I can't go anymore, back into the 267 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 1: locker room, came back to the sideline and street clothes. 268 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 1: So it's unfortunate, and I'm glad you brought up the 269 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 1: fact that he was statistically not having a great year 270 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 1: at least not what we expected from Chandler Jones here 271 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty, following nineteen sacks a year ago. But 272 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 1: what I think we forget is the attention he receives, 273 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 1: whether that's on the left side or the right side. 274 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 1: If you're the quarterback, if you're the offensive line, you 275 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 1: have to know where number fifty five is. And he's 276 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 1: one of those rare defenders that that is what you 277 00:14:56,800 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 1: pay attention to, whether it's you know, first level, second level, 278 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 1: a third level of the defense. And I think that 279 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 1: is where this is going to be a major hit 280 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 1: for the Cardinals defensively, because now what do you do 281 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 1: because defenses don't have to worry about maybe an extra 282 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 1: tight end or a running block or running back to 283 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 1: Chip on that side wherever Jones was lining up, might 284 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 1: have more one on ones for a Devon Kahnard Hassan Reddick, 285 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 1: Kylie Fitz or Dennis Gardeck. Good for them if they 286 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 1: can win those battles. Yet at the same time, you're 287 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 1: not going to get as much freedom because Jones is 288 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 1: no longer on the field. Yeah, well said, I think 289 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 1: you hit on some interesting points right there. And we've 290 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 1: talked about this in the past. When you're game planning 291 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 1: on Monday and Tuesday and you're the offensive coordinator in 292 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 1: the quarterbacks, the first thing you do is where's number 293 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 1: fifty five? And then you know even though people don't 294 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 1: think Patrick Peterson is playing up to part and I 295 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 1: thought he played better in that game. He tackled, he 296 00:15:57,080 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 1: was physical, but he's still Chrick Peterson, whether it's name, recognition, 297 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 1: body of work he's and then now the other guy's 298 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 1: Buddha Baker. I mean, it just changes everything. And you 299 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 1: brought up a really valid point to where you don't 300 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 1: need to have an extra tight in or running back 301 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 1: in there. Now you're going to try to win some 302 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 1: one on one matchup. So now those are really good points. 303 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 1: I didn't think about the fact that they can change 304 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 1: their offense. But we know the Cardinals are the same 305 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 1: thing when they look at us opposing offense and opposing defense. 306 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 1: And we always talk about who are the main three 307 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 1: or four guys, And you're not going to shut them 308 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 1: all down, but you hope to contain and maybe one's 309 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 1: gonna beat it. But if you like Belichick, does he 310 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 1: tried to take out your best player? Well, on paper 311 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:42,960 Speaker 1: he was their best player and now he's not going 312 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:45,080 Speaker 1: to be on the field, at least until we know more. 313 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 1: Hopefully Kinnard is back on the field. All Kingsbury would 314 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 1: say sooner rather than later. He's missed two weeks now 315 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 1: because of a calf injury. He did make the trip 316 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 1: to New York and was working out before the game, 317 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:00,520 Speaker 1: so I would think that would be a positive side. 318 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 1: He has been spotted during the open portion of practice. 319 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:06,879 Speaker 1: Is working out on the side again a positive sign? 320 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 1: But is he available this Monday night for the Cowboys 321 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:13,199 Speaker 1: game with the Seahawks game or is it after the 322 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:16,680 Speaker 1: bye week before he returns. Well, I think I'm glad 323 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 1: you brought up you know that he was on the trip. 324 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:22,359 Speaker 1: He's been close. It's one of those things. If they 325 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 1: had a bye week would be perfect timing to get 326 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 1: him through. But you've still got a couple of games here. 327 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:34,359 Speaker 1: So from that standpoint, I think I think he's close. 328 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:37,640 Speaker 1: But the thing is, he's really not a pass rusher. 329 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 1: He's more as a guy that can set the edge. 330 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:44,639 Speaker 1: He's physical, he's really good against a run. Can he 331 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:46,680 Speaker 1: win one? I want to match up? Sure, but I'm 332 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 1: saying a lot of times. You know Channel has written 333 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 1: the double team, so he would get free, but he 334 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:55,239 Speaker 1: sets the edge. Really, I know he can put up 335 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 1: seven and a half eight sacks, but again he's going 336 00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:00,120 Speaker 1: to have to do that. But I do think he's 337 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 1: getting closer. I watched him in the open portion or practice. 338 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 1: He goes from one field to the other over a 339 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:08,879 Speaker 1: week's time, and you could just see just from my 340 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:12,240 Speaker 1: eye and watching him, I think he was having a 341 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:14,239 Speaker 1: hard time making sure he could push off on that 342 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:18,679 Speaker 1: calf to accelerate. Now he's made progress from where he 343 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 1: was initially, because before they have him with these rubber 344 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:23,480 Speaker 1: bands and you could see he was you know, he's 345 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:27,359 Speaker 1: kind of gradually going through that process. But the fact 346 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:28,919 Speaker 1: that he worked out he could have stayed here and 347 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:34,040 Speaker 1: rehabbed over the weekend. Yeah, I would think that he's 348 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 1: based on what's happened here, I would think they definitely 349 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 1: need him. And then maybe it's just Moore of outside linebacker, 350 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 1: pass rush by committee with Reddick fits Guardeck, maybe even 351 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:48,720 Speaker 1: in Isaiah Simmons for a couple of snaps or to 352 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 1: Zach Allen. I was paying attention to him a little 353 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 1: bit more on the second half. He seemed to have 354 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 1: a good get off work in that defensive end position. 355 00:18:57,200 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 1: You're just looking for some pressure on the quarterback to 356 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:03,760 Speaker 1: make them feel uncomfortable. Yeah, sacks would be nice, And 357 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:06,440 Speaker 1: what Guardeck did on Sunday is amazing. I just don't 358 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 1: know you can count on Gardeck for two sacks every 359 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:12,479 Speaker 1: single game. It's just a matter of making sure that 360 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:16,640 Speaker 1: that quarterback doesn't get comfortable standing there in the pocket. 361 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:18,960 Speaker 1: And I think that is where this team will now 362 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:23,199 Speaker 1: And that's regardless of if Jones is coming back or not. 363 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 1: He's certainly not going to be on the field this week, 364 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 1: so that is where the coaching staff needs to figure out, Okay, 365 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:32,480 Speaker 1: for this week against the Cowboys, what's planned B without 366 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:35,679 Speaker 1: Chandler Jones? And I think you know, early in the season, 367 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 1: you know, Corey Peters was still up there around sixty 368 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:41,360 Speaker 1: five seventy percent of the snaps. I noticed yesterday Zach 369 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 1: Allen led the D lineman with forty four Peters thirty seven. 370 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:48,680 Speaker 1: I could give you a percentages Phillipis was playing with 371 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 1: the flu. He only played thirty two blacks in twenty four, 372 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:56,480 Speaker 1: Lucky nineteen and Laurence seventeen. So that was the first 373 00:19:56,480 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 1: time that Allen's had more D line snaps than Corey 374 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:03,440 Speaker 1: Peters probably in a long time, unless you go back 375 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:06,680 Speaker 1: to when he was starting last year. But um, yeah, 376 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:08,959 Speaker 1: I think he you know, again, I don't know if 377 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 1: he's going to fail up the stat sheet, but his 378 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:15,160 Speaker 1: toughness and his energy. You know, he's got more athleticism 379 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 1: than guardick. He's strong. He's been in a league long 380 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:21,440 Speaker 1: enough now he knows what it's like to go against 381 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:24,959 Speaker 1: a left tackle and right tackle. So I would expect 382 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 1: him to make more plays I don't know if he 383 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 1: ever can stand him up. But sometimes we see the 384 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 1: Cardinals put two defensive linemen up there and they got 385 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 1: dbs and linebackers is standing at the line of scrimmage. 386 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:38,960 Speaker 1: Sometimes they'll drop or they'll rush. I think he can 387 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:41,480 Speaker 1: do that. But I think you've got to find a 388 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:43,639 Speaker 1: guy that can rush the pastor. And if there's somebody 389 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 1: out there, and I know what you're gonna say, there's 390 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:49,720 Speaker 1: a reason why they're available. Some guys are just waiting 391 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 1: for right opportunities. Some guys don't want to be lowballed. 392 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 1: Some guys want to come black, but maybe they'll come 393 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 1: back to a team that you know, it's close to 394 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 1: their home. There's there's a lot of factors. But if 395 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:02,879 Speaker 1: they bring in something like that, I think he'd be 396 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:05,240 Speaker 1: a twelve to fifteen eighteen snap guy. I mean, and 397 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:07,640 Speaker 1: I think Kyle van Abash hit it on the head, 398 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 1: just like Rob Prodickson last week about the offense, you 399 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:13,879 Speaker 1: know east and West, Fredericks said, that's one position. I'm sorry, 400 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:16,679 Speaker 1: Vanibasch said, that's one position where you can come in 401 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:20,359 Speaker 1: and play. Now, they do have some assignments, but the 402 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 1: ideas there's the quarterback, go get him. So I know 403 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:27,680 Speaker 1: I'm simplifying it, but for a player to say that, 404 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:32,960 Speaker 1: like wide receiver routes, defensive backs, where do I line 405 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:37,639 Speaker 1: up in certain coverages? You know, check calls? No, just 406 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:41,120 Speaker 1: rush the pastors. So hopefully I gotta think they're gonna 407 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:43,480 Speaker 1: you know, they every team brings in players. We know 408 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:45,920 Speaker 1: COVID's a little bit different, but they have a new 409 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:49,720 Speaker 1: protocol for that. Just like TJ. Warre. They brought him in, 410 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:51,359 Speaker 1: they weren't going to play him. He hasn't played yet. 411 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 1: Hopefully we get more on Banjo, But yeah, it would 412 00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 1: surprise me if they didn't try to go out and 413 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:00,879 Speaker 1: sign someone or bring somebody in for a look. Is 414 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:04,720 Speaker 1: Dwight Freeney an option? Is he still out there and available? 415 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:07,520 Speaker 1: That was a huge get for the Cardinals back in 416 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:09,880 Speaker 1: the day. And what was it, uh? Was it? Two 417 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:12,560 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty thousand or five hundred thousand dollars for 418 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 1: every sack? And he'd kind of made it a joke 419 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 1: and he was on a roll for a little while there. 420 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:20,720 Speaker 1: That was a lot of fun, you know, us getting 421 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:24,639 Speaker 1: a chance to work with former NFL players, including Cardinal players. 422 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:26,800 Speaker 1: Every time we asked Roy Green, can you go out 423 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:30,399 Speaker 1: there and Virtud Barry and even Kyle Van and Bosch 424 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 1: which he would put pass the All Airport team. You 425 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 1: you would think he's still played. And he always say 426 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 1: I only got once. Once snapped at me. You don't 427 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 1: have a quarter, a drive a couple, you know, I 428 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 1: mean just one. You gotta get warmed up. We'll have 429 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 1: to wait and see what the Cardinals. You know, another guy, 430 00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:58,920 Speaker 1: he had some issues, but he definitely knew how to 431 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:02,680 Speaker 1: rush the pastor. But there's got to be somebody out there, 432 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:07,120 Speaker 1: and you want somebody that's played last year. They could 433 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:09,440 Speaker 1: be coming off an injury. Obviously they have to go 434 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:12,639 Speaker 1: medical and physical, but you want somebody that's played and 435 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,880 Speaker 1: somebody that's worked out with some teams this year. From 436 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:19,120 Speaker 1: that standpoint to where all, right, teams are also interesting, 437 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:22,680 Speaker 1: not just us. Yeah, we wait to see what the 438 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:25,680 Speaker 1: decision is for Chandler Jones and then what the Cardinals 439 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:28,120 Speaker 1: do from here, and we'll follow that all week long 440 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:31,359 Speaker 1: here on Cardinals Cover Too, presented by Hunday Proud partner 441 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 1: of the Arizona Cardinals. As we continue here on this Monday, 442 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:38,400 Speaker 1: all right, let's shift back to the Cardinals on offense, 443 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 1: and yeah, it was a good performance, but as we 444 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 1: chronicled earlier, they certainly expect a lot more from themselves. 445 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:49,439 Speaker 1: And we asked this question last week the first four 446 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 1: games and how the offense was kind of disjointed, especially 447 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:57,280 Speaker 1: against Carolina, and did something need to change? Was the 448 00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:00,879 Speaker 1: topical shift as there was a year ago after the 449 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:04,440 Speaker 1: first four games? And I think we did see a 450 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:08,040 Speaker 1: different offense on the field against the Jets, though I 451 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 1: think it's still left to be seen if that was 452 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:15,919 Speaker 1: by design or was it because of who the opponent was. 453 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:19,119 Speaker 1: Is that what the Jets allowed the Cardinals to do 454 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 1: as far as the deep shots, Kyler Murray with all 455 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:24,880 Speaker 1: kinds of time in the pocket because of the protection 456 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:27,960 Speaker 1: the offensive line provided a little bit less of a 457 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 1: rush from the Jets because they wanted to make sure 458 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 1: Murray was staying in the pocket. Does that change next 459 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 1: week against the Cowboys the following week against the Seahawks. 460 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:40,400 Speaker 1: But this is a good starting point if we see 461 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:44,240 Speaker 1: what we saw on continue now into Monday Night Football 462 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:46,840 Speaker 1: and then against the Seahawks. Yeah, this is not a 463 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:49,360 Speaker 1: cop out, but I think it's a combination. I think 464 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:52,280 Speaker 1: they did a nice job. Spread the ball out. I mean, 465 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:55,160 Speaker 1: even Tren Schuerfield guy in there. Whether it was one catch, 466 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:59,120 Speaker 1: Keyshawn Johnson made a really good catch, allowed the team 467 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:02,960 Speaker 1: to continue to dry. We know Inyan Zabella with Christian kirkback, 468 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 1: probably not going to get as much touch as or targets. 469 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:09,520 Speaker 1: Christian kirkis has seem another element, you know, Larry, you know, 470 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 1: just being out there and you know, obviously you got 471 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:14,520 Speaker 1: to make sure you see where he's at. I like 472 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:18,480 Speaker 1: the fact that you know, um, Terrell Daniels was really 473 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,679 Speaker 1: taking a replacement of Max Williams. He played more than 474 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:27,680 Speaker 1: Dan Arnold. So you know, Jonathan Ward I really didn't 475 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:29,320 Speaker 1: see him out there, but because he played a couple 476 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 1: of snaps, he's kind of like your fullback, but he's 477 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,720 Speaker 1: more of a special teams guy. Again, as I mentioned 478 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:38,800 Speaker 1: on the postgame show last night, and this is just 479 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 1: me looking from the outside in and what I see. 480 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:46,679 Speaker 1: I want to get Chase Emmons more involved in the offense. Now. 481 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:50,200 Speaker 1: In fairness of Kenyan Drake, something happened. Um he started 482 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:54,000 Speaker 1: running downhill. He had ten carries in the second half 483 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 1: or forty five yards. It's four point five a pop. 484 00:25:56,720 --> 00:26:00,119 Speaker 1: He definitely helped him run down the clock there. But 485 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,640 Speaker 1: I just think Chase brings a different aspect to the game, 486 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:06,359 Speaker 1: and he's really good in the screen game. And you know, 487 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:08,240 Speaker 1: people are saying, why don't they throw a ball to Drake. 488 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:12,119 Speaker 1: He's not David Johnson. I mean, now, when he's in 489 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:14,639 Speaker 1: the game, he can block, he can pass protect, he 490 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,240 Speaker 1: can release out. I noticed the Cardinals were putting a 491 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:21,439 Speaker 1: guy on the sidelines yesterday when Kyler Murray would go 492 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:23,840 Speaker 1: through his progressions and if they were all recovered, they 493 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 1: would they would check it down. They always had a 494 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 1: guy by the sidelines. Do you notice that. Yeah. I 495 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:31,840 Speaker 1: went back and I wanted to be specific and watched 496 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:35,640 Speaker 1: for the wide receiver screen because it was a lot 497 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:39,520 Speaker 1: of east and west last week against the Panthers. But 498 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 1: yesterday against the Jets, there was only one pass thrown 499 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,399 Speaker 1: to a wide receiver the wide receiver screen, and that 500 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:50,280 Speaker 1: was DeAndre Hopkins in the third quarter, in which he 501 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:54,159 Speaker 1: had nothing and reversed field. He up the sidelines for 502 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 1: a thirteen yard game. Now, earlier in the contest, there 503 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:00,919 Speaker 1: was a throw to Andy Isabella on the sideline, but 504 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:02,439 Speaker 1: that was as you said, that was more of a 505 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,240 Speaker 1: checkdown and that has in the first quarter he was 506 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 1: the last option, and then in the second quarter when 507 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:12,320 Speaker 1: Isabella had that drop on that play, they had three 508 00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:14,840 Speaker 1: receivers lined up on the sideline and it looked like 509 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,320 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray wanted to go to Christian Kirk initially for 510 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:23,040 Speaker 1: that screen, but saw Isabella break inside and was free. Unfortunately, 511 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 1: they weren't able to connect. So what I saw, and 512 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,480 Speaker 1: again that's just me. I don't maybe I'm not even 513 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:30,760 Speaker 1: knowing what I'm supposed to be watching, but just on 514 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:35,280 Speaker 1: my own novice eyes, I only saw one pass thrown 515 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:39,400 Speaker 1: in that wide receiver screen game, which is I think, 516 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:43,679 Speaker 1: what ten twelve fewer than we saw last week. So 517 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 1: that was a huge difference from against the Panthers. Yeah, 518 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,480 Speaker 1: and it's interesting because if you're going three or four wide, 519 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 1: you're basically taking a guy out of the route. But 520 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:55,800 Speaker 1: it allows Murray to go through his progressions and if 521 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 1: he doesn't see anything, now a he could take off, 522 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:01,040 Speaker 1: Bee could try to extend the field with you know, 523 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:04,600 Speaker 1: running and throwing. But now you've got a guy. It's 524 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,320 Speaker 1: not a negative play. It's an easy throw, almost an 525 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,520 Speaker 1: extended run play, and they can't get three or four yards, 526 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:13,280 Speaker 1: but I hadn't seen that this season to where it 527 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,960 Speaker 1: was every play, But I know there were certain points 528 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:19,160 Speaker 1: in that game they had a guy just almost standing there, 529 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,480 Speaker 1: you know, ready, ready to catch the ball, but he 530 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:25,480 Speaker 1: was not the first option. The other difference that was 531 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:29,560 Speaker 1: noticeable on Sunday was the vertical passing game and how 532 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:34,560 Speaker 1: many shots downfield, not deep shots, just extended shots if 533 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:38,880 Speaker 1: you will. Next Gen stats had Kyler Murray making thirteen 534 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:42,600 Speaker 1: throws of at least ten or more yards, and he 535 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 1: completed nine of those, and then he went four of 536 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 1: five on throws deeper than twenty yards in which the 537 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 1: ball sails at least twenty yards, not a twenty yard 538 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:56,080 Speaker 1: game in which the wide receiver catches it and runs. 539 00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:59,360 Speaker 1: So I don't know. We're asking the question, is that 540 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 1: something as a philosophical shift after reviewing the first four 541 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 1: games or is it because they saw something on tape 542 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:10,320 Speaker 1: against the Jets defense specifically, Well, if you look at 543 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 1: where the Jets were ranked, I mean their secondary is 544 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,080 Speaker 1: basically at the bottom. All their rankings are at the 545 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:19,800 Speaker 1: bottom offense defense. So yeah, I think that was based 546 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:23,239 Speaker 1: on Now the Cowboys secondary, I mean, we'll get into it. 547 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:27,440 Speaker 1: They're rolling out backups. I mean they're linebackers. They lose 548 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,920 Speaker 1: another guy in the line. Seattle, I mean they have 549 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,360 Speaker 1: a decent corners. I think I like their linebackers. But 550 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:36,160 Speaker 1: last night, you know, Minnesota was able to run the 551 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:39,960 Speaker 1: football down their throats. So yeah, I think it's because 552 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 1: of the Jets. But the next two games, I still 553 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:47,720 Speaker 1: think you can run that offense. And whether Murray wants 554 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:51,560 Speaker 1: to be a pocket passer or not, he made the throws. Now. 555 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:53,480 Speaker 1: I was going to ask you, we're starting to see 556 00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:55,640 Speaker 1: a little bit this when he's getting ready to get 557 00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,880 Speaker 1: hit and he just throws it up for grabs. What 558 00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:02,640 Speaker 1: are your thoughts on that. I think he got lucky 559 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:07,920 Speaker 1: several times on Sunday because as well as his numbers were, 560 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,040 Speaker 1: and I thought they were very, very good, three hundred 561 00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,960 Speaker 1: and eighty yards a new career high. But you talked 562 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 1: about the first throw of the game. He threw it 563 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:19,240 Speaker 1: up to Christian Kirk and the ball was tipped almost intercepted. 564 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:22,240 Speaker 1: There was a near interception by Pierre de Zer on 565 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:25,720 Speaker 1: a pass that was way off to Larry Fitzgerald in 566 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 1: the second quarter, and then he had a fourth quarter 567 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:32,440 Speaker 1: interception negated by a Jets penalty, and we're all high 568 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,240 Speaker 1: on the deep ball to Hopkins that forty five yard 569 00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:39,240 Speaker 1: or MJ. He underthrew that ball and Chris Fieldman noted 570 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:42,400 Speaker 1: it on the broadcast. He catches that in stride, it's 571 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:47,880 Speaker 1: a touchdown and so again, far from perfect And maybe 572 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,600 Speaker 1: that was what Murray was alluding to after the ball game. 573 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:54,480 Speaker 1: Yet it was a noticeable different from an offensive standpoint. 574 00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 1: Not a lot of dink and doink throws more in 575 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:00,800 Speaker 1: the middle because the middle seemed to be really wide 576 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:08,560 Speaker 1: open against the Jets. Yeah, and yeah, that's interesting because yeah, 577 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,560 Speaker 1: I do remember that, but I love the fact that 578 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:14,600 Speaker 1: he knew that he could. He had a free play. Yes, 579 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,360 Speaker 1: and you know what, credit Mason Cole for snapping that 580 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:19,760 Speaker 1: ball because he's the only one of the offensive lineman 581 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:23,120 Speaker 1: that moved well, he's the only one that didn't snap 582 00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:29,000 Speaker 1: the ball for one too shat right, But yeah, because 583 00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:33,080 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, he's the master at that, Brady, and sometimes 584 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,800 Speaker 1: you don't it's a split second. Okay, you know what 585 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:37,840 Speaker 1: the penalty is gonna be, but it's it's a free play. 586 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,200 Speaker 1: To me, I would take down chances. But when he's 587 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,720 Speaker 1: getting pressured and he runs out of the pocket, especially 588 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,320 Speaker 1: to his left side, and he throws it up there, 589 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:48,720 Speaker 1: you know, hoping somebody's gonna get the fifty fifty ball. 590 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:51,479 Speaker 1: You got to cut that down, you know how. I 591 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:55,400 Speaker 1: feel it's okay to punt. There were sometimes in which 592 00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:57,240 Speaker 1: he threw the ball the way, but I think he 593 00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:00,440 Speaker 1: needs to have a more conscious effort to throw it 594 00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:03,320 Speaker 1: towards the sidelines and out of bounds. And I know 595 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,200 Speaker 1: he needs to learn, and he is still learning because 596 00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:08,720 Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins brought that up after the ball game. As 597 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:12,320 Speaker 1: far as hey, look, trust me to make the catch 598 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,120 Speaker 1: even when I'm covered. It's no different than Kurt Warner 599 00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:17,560 Speaker 1: and Larry Fitzgerald. And I think that is something that 600 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,480 Speaker 1: the quarterback and wide receiver are still working on. But 601 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:22,880 Speaker 1: you don't want to throw it up as if it's 602 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,840 Speaker 1: a hill, Mary or hey, anyone up for grabs. Make 603 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:31,720 Speaker 1: sure that you're targeting someone and that receiver has the position. 604 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,240 Speaker 1: As we saw with Hopkins, not only on the forty 605 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,800 Speaker 1: five yard or but the thirty seven yard touchdown, he 606 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:40,560 Speaker 1: had perfect position an unbelievable catch. He basically caught it 607 00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:44,040 Speaker 1: off his chest and corralled it with one hand. Yet 608 00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,760 Speaker 1: I think he did get away talking about Kyler Murray 609 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:51,040 Speaker 1: with a handful of throws that might have made the 610 00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:57,760 Speaker 1: difference if this game had gotten another outcome. If you will, yeah, 611 00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:01,040 Speaker 1: you know, I'm sure he sold us throw the ball away, 612 00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:03,800 Speaker 1: but I've seen too many of those throws, just throwing 613 00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:07,880 Speaker 1: it up there, and we criticized for taking the sack, 614 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:11,960 Speaker 1: and we all know that we don't want to see, 615 00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:14,240 Speaker 1: you know, get hit. I think he's been hit a 616 00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:16,520 Speaker 1: little bit more this last couple of games, and he's 617 00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:20,040 Speaker 1: been hit probably all last season. You know just what 618 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,560 Speaker 1: I see, But he does predict his body. But yeah, 619 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,320 Speaker 1: to me, I don't want to see it's reckless because 620 00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:30,320 Speaker 1: I know he's throw the ball away, but like you said, 621 00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:32,240 Speaker 1: just throw out of bounce if you're outside the tackle 622 00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:34,480 Speaker 1: box or we're out of bounce. I just hope that's 623 00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,440 Speaker 1: not a bad habit that because he thinks that and 624 00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:40,240 Speaker 1: the ball's high. It's not like he's throwing on a rope, 625 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:43,200 Speaker 1: which you and technically, in fairness to him, you are 626 00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:46,120 Speaker 1: allowing the receiver, but so many dbs are going to 627 00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:48,000 Speaker 1: try to get around there. Then if the balls in 628 00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,800 Speaker 1: the air more than it should be, it's almost like 629 00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:54,000 Speaker 1: he doesn't want to waste a play. But if you're 630 00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:58,560 Speaker 1: gonna consistently have sixty to sixty five offensive plays, there 631 00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:00,760 Speaker 1: are going to be plays that don't work, and you 632 00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:03,440 Speaker 1: know what, tip your half to the defense. Just don't 633 00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,240 Speaker 1: have a negative play or turn the ball over. And 634 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:10,760 Speaker 1: I think there could have been one or two interceptions 635 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:15,240 Speaker 1: thrown aside from the one that was tipped yesterday against 636 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:18,000 Speaker 1: the Jets. So he just needs the decision making and 637 00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:21,840 Speaker 1: in still learning what he can do with his wide receivers. 638 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,759 Speaker 1: And I think that's what Hopkins was referencing after the 639 00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,640 Speaker 1: ball game with respect to a conversation he had with 640 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:31,520 Speaker 1: Murray when Hopkins notices that he's got single coverage. Quote, 641 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:35,279 Speaker 1: I was telling Kyler just trust me. I just told 642 00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:37,640 Speaker 1: him to give me a chance and let's work on 643 00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:42,160 Speaker 1: some things. Interesting line at the end of that, let's 644 00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:46,320 Speaker 1: work on some things. If this quarterback and wide receiver 645 00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:49,120 Speaker 1: as good as they've been so far through five games, 646 00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:51,920 Speaker 1: they get on the same page even more, especially on 647 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,359 Speaker 1: those deep shots, that's when I think this offense will 648 00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:59,040 Speaker 1: start to get clicking in rhythm, if you will. Well, 649 00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:02,439 Speaker 1: I mentioned on the postgame show, you know I watched 650 00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:04,880 Speaker 1: his body language, and I thought two catches for twenty 651 00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:08,040 Speaker 1: five yards, you know, but at the same time they 652 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:11,560 Speaker 1: were spreading the ball around Buddy is Hopkins and you know, 653 00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:14,480 Speaker 1: as he said, you know, nobody ever thinks as a 654 00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:17,800 Speaker 1: down the field guys more of a possession receiver and 655 00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:20,960 Speaker 1: you know, and y'all or nothing, or maybe it was 656 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,279 Speaker 1: the flight plan last year there was a conversation in 657 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:27,520 Speaker 1: the bubble with Larry basically told Kyler, hey, that may 658 00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,040 Speaker 1: not look like I'm open, trust me, just throw out 659 00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:33,719 Speaker 1: my vicinity. You know, I'll take my chances with both 660 00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:37,240 Speaker 1: of those guys because of their their football IQ, their 661 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:41,239 Speaker 1: cutch radius, their hand, how strong their hands are. And 662 00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:44,239 Speaker 1: it sounds like they had that conversation last week. And 663 00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:46,799 Speaker 1: I watched him go, you know, a couple of times, 664 00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:49,120 Speaker 1: you know, he'll he'll walk off the field and kind 665 00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:52,960 Speaker 1: of he has his helm in his hand, and you 666 00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,320 Speaker 1: could see he was waiting for Murray to come, you know, 667 00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:57,800 Speaker 1: maybe get back over there and start looking at the 668 00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:02,480 Speaker 1: the Microsoft table. But I could tell her he was thinking, 669 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:05,880 Speaker 1: are you looking at are you looking for me? Or 670 00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,000 Speaker 1: so I did watch his body language, and then what 671 00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:11,279 Speaker 1: he did in the second half is unbelievable. I mean, 672 00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:15,080 Speaker 1: he finishes with six catches, one thirty one and a touchdown. Yeah, 673 00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:19,960 Speaker 1: his third one hundred yard receiving game with the Cardinals 674 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:23,880 Speaker 1: and they've only played five games with DeAndre Hopkins on 675 00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:27,560 Speaker 1: the field. But to your point, four pass catchers were 676 00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:32,319 Speaker 1: targeted at least six times, and six pass catchers had 677 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:36,680 Speaker 1: at least two catches, So a good balance on the 678 00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:39,359 Speaker 1: passing game and a good balance on the run game 679 00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:43,000 Speaker 1: as well, with Kenyan Drake, Chase Edmonds, and Kyler Murray 680 00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:46,040 Speaker 1: all having a rushing touchdown. The other wide receiver that 681 00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:48,600 Speaker 1: I thought had an interesting comment after the ball game 682 00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:54,560 Speaker 1: is Christian Kirk, who finished with five catches for seventy 683 00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:58,080 Speaker 1: eight yards, targeted seven times. Kirk after the ball game quote, 684 00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:01,680 Speaker 1: definitely felt like today was a breakthrough for me and 685 00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:07,279 Speaker 1: him talking about Kyler Murray. And once again we're left 686 00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:12,000 Speaker 1: to wonder did something click Sunday in New York or 687 00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:15,040 Speaker 1: was it just a one off? And here I'm saying, 688 00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:18,640 Speaker 1: let's hope something click with the Hopkins, A Kirk, this 689 00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:22,279 Speaker 1: offense in general, that this can be now a starting point. 690 00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,160 Speaker 1: The second quarter of the season begins with yes, a 691 00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:28,120 Speaker 1: win over the lowly Jets. But it's when this offense 692 00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:32,319 Speaker 1: turned the corner. Yeah, and maybe it's because Christian Kirk 693 00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,600 Speaker 1: got back on the practice field. I mean, when you're 694 00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,280 Speaker 1: not out there, it's hard to create chemistry and rhythm. 695 00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:43,280 Speaker 1: They obviously are very close. They've knewn each other before 696 00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:46,960 Speaker 1: he was drafted, played with each other, So yeah, I mean, 697 00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:49,280 Speaker 1: I just think Kirk's got to be on the practice field, 698 00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:52,480 Speaker 1: you know. Again, to be honest, if we look ahead, 699 00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:55,520 Speaker 1: Christian Kirk's going to be your slot receiver and Hopkins 700 00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:57,239 Speaker 1: is going to be your ex guy and then we'll 701 00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,320 Speaker 1: see how these other guys pan out. But that's the 702 00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:02,680 Speaker 1: future right there. I mean Christian Kirk, you know, he's 703 00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:04,399 Speaker 1: just got to stay healthy and a lot of times 704 00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:07,400 Speaker 1: he's played through injuries. But I think him being on 705 00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:10,319 Speaker 1: the practice field, they've always had a connection, I thought, 706 00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:14,239 Speaker 1: but now you know, Kylo's got options and he's going 707 00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:17,080 Speaker 1: to throw. The guys are open, but they get that 708 00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:19,200 Speaker 1: connection going. I think it's only going to be better. 709 00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:22,400 Speaker 1: And again when we get to the future, he'll be 710 00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:26,040 Speaker 1: your number one slot receiver and Murray after the ballgame 711 00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:28,040 Speaker 1: as far as all those different options, because it was 712 00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:30,600 Speaker 1: pointed out to him how many different players had at 713 00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:32,480 Speaker 1: least a couple of catches and in the run game 714 00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:34,920 Speaker 1: as well. Quote we've got weapons, I think we have 715 00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:37,879 Speaker 1: to use our guys end quote. And that goes back 716 00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,200 Speaker 1: to what we've heard from Murray since day one. I 717 00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:42,200 Speaker 1: don't want to be a running quarterback. I don't want 718 00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:44,359 Speaker 1: to have the entire offense on my shoulders. As far 719 00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:46,799 Speaker 1: as me doing all of the work, let me get 720 00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:48,560 Speaker 1: the ball in the hands of the playmakers. And I 721 00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:51,080 Speaker 1: thought he did a better job of that, especially on 722 00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,520 Speaker 1: the receivers that were coming across the middle of what 723 00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,160 Speaker 1: was fitz Kirk or Isabella, because not all of a 724 00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:59,000 Speaker 1: sudden and eight yard completion, they take it up field 725 00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:01,640 Speaker 1: and they add another five six, or you break a 726 00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:04,280 Speaker 1: couple of tackles for a long run. There were seven 727 00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:09,799 Speaker 1: past plays at least twenty yards in that contest yesterday. Yeah, 728 00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:12,920 Speaker 1: and that's you know, I always look at splash plays 729 00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,560 Speaker 1: twenty yards or more. But the fact that you mentioned, 730 00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:19,200 Speaker 1: according to the next Gen ten plays, thirteen plays over 731 00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:24,120 Speaker 1: ten yards was you said it was thirteen throws in 732 00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:27,240 Speaker 1: the year of East ten or more yards better because 733 00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:31,759 Speaker 1: that intermediate route stuff wasn't there. Well, you pointed out 734 00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:34,439 Speaker 1: last week that he was not very good talking about 735 00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,279 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray as far as the shorter throws, and you know, 736 00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:39,880 Speaker 1: at least and they called that. I mean, I always 737 00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:44,160 Speaker 1: think of the red zone is the green zone because 738 00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:48,800 Speaker 1: cash in they call they called the eleven the nineteen 739 00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:51,920 Speaker 1: the money zone. All good quarterbacks, that's what they make 740 00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:55,640 Speaker 1: their money, you know, because Kyla can make the throw 741 00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:58,360 Speaker 1: from the right hash mark to an out route on 742 00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,000 Speaker 1: the left side to Hopkins. He can make the throws 743 00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:03,520 Speaker 1: and I know size why. Sometimes he's got to find 744 00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:06,040 Speaker 1: a slipper or a pocket. He's got to you know, 745 00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:08,200 Speaker 1: you know, he's not six foot four, so he just 746 00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:10,879 Speaker 1: can't release it. He's got to put a little air 747 00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:17,600 Speaker 1: on it. But that's the money yardage eleven through nineteen 748 00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:19,040 Speaker 1: and then when you getting the red zone, you want 749 00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:22,040 Speaker 1: to punch it in. But you know, we talked about 750 00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:24,480 Speaker 1: Kylin Murray and when he runs you know, seven or 751 00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:27,720 Speaker 1: eight times, this team has a better chance of winning. 752 00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:31,200 Speaker 1: You know, he's that's who he is. But I gotta 753 00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:33,399 Speaker 1: be honest with Craig. I watched that Dak Prescott game 754 00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:38,759 Speaker 1: last night. I'm like, uh, I don't know, and Vanderbosch 755 00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:41,360 Speaker 1: texted me and said, that's why you don't want to 756 00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:44,960 Speaker 1: quarterbacks running. Now we can talk about protecting yourself and 757 00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:47,000 Speaker 1: everything else. I mean, Dak Prescott went out for a 758 00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:50,760 Speaker 1: touchdown pass yesterday, so they they use them in different roles, 759 00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:55,520 Speaker 1: but man, that would do that was devastating. Prayers to 760 00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:58,160 Speaker 1: him and I hate to see any player get hurt, 761 00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:00,480 Speaker 1: whether they're on the cardinal schedule or not. Yeah, and 762 00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:03,839 Speaker 1: I was really looking forward to that matchup of quarterbacks 763 00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:07,400 Speaker 1: next Monday night, and unfortunately Dak Prescott not going to 764 00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:10,640 Speaker 1: be on the field for the Dallas Cowboys. But yeah, 765 00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:13,600 Speaker 1: injuries are going to happen, and you certainly don't want 766 00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:16,600 Speaker 1: to take away a quarterbacks game, or at least part 767 00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:19,799 Speaker 1: of their game. And that's the quarterback in this day 768 00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,960 Speaker 1: and age. It's the ability to run to keep defenses 769 00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:25,040 Speaker 1: on ut And maybe you don't want Murray running nine 770 00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:27,840 Speaker 1: times like you did on Sunday, but it's that threat 771 00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:30,840 Speaker 1: if you have an extra defender in the box because 772 00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:34,000 Speaker 1: they're worried Murray might take off, and all of a sudden, 773 00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:37,640 Speaker 1: you've got one less defender covering your wide receivers. Well, 774 00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:40,360 Speaker 1: when we tweet out you know where they're ranked in 775 00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:43,719 Speaker 1: rushing and how many yards and with the averages. I mean, 776 00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:46,120 Speaker 1: we just think it's the running game. A lot of 777 00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:49,960 Speaker 1: is Kyle Murray sometimes how many rushing how many rushing 778 00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:53,080 Speaker 1: touchdowns he got five? He's got five, had four all 779 00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:56,480 Speaker 1: of last year exactly in his average per carry. I mean, 780 00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:58,960 Speaker 1: I know he's not touching the rock like those other 781 00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:02,439 Speaker 1: guys are. But when we talk about their rushing game 782 00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:06,400 Speaker 1: and how successful it's been under Sean Coogler, he's a 783 00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:09,960 Speaker 1: big part of it, and sometimes the focal part, at 784 00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:12,200 Speaker 1: least what we saw through the first four games. We'll 785 00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:15,200 Speaker 1: see if that changes now as we entered the second 786 00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:17,400 Speaker 1: quarter of the season, if there is a shift as 787 00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:19,920 Speaker 1: far as hey, you know what, I'm Kyler Murray and 788 00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:23,480 Speaker 1: I don't need to run as much because the offense 789 00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:26,879 Speaker 1: has found a different gear or a different focus. Let's 790 00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:28,840 Speaker 1: throw the ball at a little bit more to the 791 00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:32,399 Speaker 1: guys that get paid to catch and run or run 792 00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:34,400 Speaker 1: the football. I get paid to throw it if I 793 00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:37,480 Speaker 1: find quarterback. But that sounds good in theory. I just 794 00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:40,640 Speaker 1: think it's gonna be instincts true. I mean, they can 795 00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:44,879 Speaker 1: have the perfect play. They got a cover he's just good. Now. 796 00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:46,960 Speaker 1: One other thing I want to say about Murray, and 797 00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:49,120 Speaker 1: my mom brings up to me a lot. So this 798 00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:52,560 Speaker 1: is coming from my mom who watches Carnegie. She's like, 799 00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:54,759 Speaker 1: he's gonna fumble that ball at one point because he 800 00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:56,799 Speaker 1: keeps it. He keeps it out there, he doesn't tuck 801 00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:58,839 Speaker 1: it in. I'm like, that's how he runs. I mean 802 00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:03,600 Speaker 1: when I watch high school games and in college. I mean, 803 00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:06,920 Speaker 1: And granted, Patrick Peterson tried to punch a ball out yesterday. 804 00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:09,240 Speaker 1: Good thing they don't have the Bears on the schedule 805 00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:13,399 Speaker 1: when Peter Tilman was there. But any concerns there, Yeah, 806 00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:16,080 Speaker 1: it doesn't look Put it this way, your mom's not wrong. 807 00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:19,200 Speaker 1: It's not a good looks something you don't want to 808 00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:22,960 Speaker 1: teach young quarterbacks. But maybe his grip on that football. 809 00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,920 Speaker 1: Maybe he's just got a tight grip that he'll never 810 00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:28,400 Speaker 1: lose it. But yeah, what's the first thing you're supposed 811 00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:29,880 Speaker 1: to do when you catch it or you're running it. 812 00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:33,080 Speaker 1: Tuck it in, bend that elbow, secure the football. And 813 00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:35,719 Speaker 1: you got Murray hanging it out about three feet, which 814 00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:38,400 Speaker 1: is never a good thing. No. But and the problem is, 815 00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:41,600 Speaker 1: for the most part, they can't catch him from behind. 816 00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:44,759 Speaker 1: That's true as well. And the other thing I love 817 00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:48,759 Speaker 1: when he does the faink throat and the guy's like 818 00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:51,759 Speaker 1: jumping and he makes guys look silly, and then he's 819 00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:55,120 Speaker 1: got that little stutter step where you think he's going 820 00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:57,360 Speaker 1: fast and he kind of like Fred Flintstone. You know, 821 00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:00,320 Speaker 1: it's not a probably good analogy. Fred Flint still a 822 00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:03,759 Speaker 1: column right, like the Roadrunner. There you go. That's better. Yeah, 823 00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:06,200 Speaker 1: where he's running in place and he takes off. No. 824 00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:09,400 Speaker 1: I really enjoy that part of the game because that 825 00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:13,560 Speaker 1: play action, to me is very effective. The rposa putting 826 00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:16,359 Speaker 1: the ball in the belly, making decisions take it out. Now, 827 00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:19,479 Speaker 1: there's a lot of good things. And again he's still 828 00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:22,600 Speaker 1: young and you know he'll get better. But it's just, 829 00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:25,719 Speaker 1: you know, like anything else. I'm I'm sure Mahomes went 830 00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:27,640 Speaker 1: through it. I think Lamar Jacson's still going through it. 831 00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:30,359 Speaker 1: You got to clean up on the little things because 832 00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:33,680 Speaker 1: it's not always just about throwing the ball and getting 833 00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:36,200 Speaker 1: first sounds. There's a lot to go into playing quarterback 834 00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:39,800 Speaker 1: in the NFL. Bird Gang. 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I mean, if if Kevin Beaton's 844 00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:18,279 Speaker 1: going to hold a guy and he versus him, get 845 00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:21,040 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray, I'm all for it. But sometimes it's just 846 00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:24,000 Speaker 1: you're laid on a play and you know, obviously don't 847 00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:27,360 Speaker 1: want it your quarterback to get hurt. But DJ Humphries, 848 00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:30,320 Speaker 1: I mean, go to easy Cardinals dot com. Kyle Oegar 849 00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:33,279 Speaker 1: put out a story. It's remarkable what he's doing and 850 00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:35,680 Speaker 1: he's probably not getting the love that he deserves. And 851 00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:38,400 Speaker 1: the Cardinals really are are they're playing seven guys on 852 00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:40,440 Speaker 1: the offensive line. Now it seems like with you know, 853 00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:44,040 Speaker 1: with Sweezye and Pew and you know, obviously Mason Cole's 854 00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:45,680 Speaker 1: kind of like the fixture. Now it looks like it's 855 00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:49,480 Speaker 1: his job to lose. But DJ Humphries, it's it's nice 856 00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:52,279 Speaker 1: because once you know, we look at guys like, you know, 857 00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:54,879 Speaker 1: Humphrey got paid and he's playing well. And you look 858 00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:56,839 Speaker 1: at Buddha Baker, he got paid and he's playing well. 859 00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:59,000 Speaker 1: And you look at DeAndre Hopkins, he got paid and 860 00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:01,400 Speaker 1: he's playing well. You know, I know, at the end 861 00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:03,719 Speaker 1: of the day, we're not talking about dollars and cents 862 00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:06,399 Speaker 1: on the field, but when you pay these guys, it's 863 00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:09,520 Speaker 1: it's a reflection to where the organization feels like your core. 864 00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:11,960 Speaker 1: And I'm sure guys are in locker room saying, well, 865 00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:14,480 Speaker 1: not only did he get paid, but he's also playing 866 00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:17,960 Speaker 1: up to his salary, and it's that's a good thing. 867 00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:22,880 Speaker 1: So but you know, again, I think there's stuff. I 868 00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:25,880 Speaker 1: was encouraged what I was able to see. I know 869 00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:30,080 Speaker 1: it was against the Jets, but it's still a work 870 00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:33,440 Speaker 1: in progress. Well said, and on that note, let's put 871 00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:36,440 Speaker 1: a lid on this edition of Cardinals Cover two presented 872 00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:40,200 Speaker 1: by Hunday, proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals. Special Things 873 00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:43,120 Speaker 1: As always to our executive producer, Jim i'm a Hundre 874 00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:45,880 Speaker 1: or Mike Jarecki. I'm Craig Rayel Loup. We'll talk to 875 00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:48,239 Speaker 1: you next time you're on Cardinals cover two.