Speaker 1: Now, I think those of us who have been involved
Speaker 1: in politics is to say get in there. Yes, there
Speaker 1: will still be sometimes when you are treated differently or
Speaker 1: lesser simply because you're a woman. But the only way
Speaker 1: of us busting through that is for more women to
Speaker 1: go into the system. The more women that come through,
Speaker 1: the easier it gets. The more women who go in,
Speaker 1: the more women who get there, the bigger the change
Speaker 1: we make. That is Julia Gillard, the first woman to
Speaker 1: serve as Prime Minister of Australia and a fierce advocate
Speaker 1: for equality, education and women's leadership. I'm the land Vere
Speaker 1: and this is Seneca's one Women to Hear. We're bringing
Speaker 1: you one hundred of the world's most inspiring and history
Speaker 1: making women you need to hear. Today we're speaking with
Speaker 1: Julia Gillard. Her time in office as Australia's Prime Minister
Speaker 1: from two thousand and ten to two thousand and thirteen
Speaker 1: transformed that country's political landscape forever. Being a female first
Speaker 1: is never easy, especially when you have to deal with
Speaker 1: overt sexism. That led Julia Gillard to give one of
Speaker 1: the most memorable speeches in Australian history. That happened in
Speaker 1: two thousand and twelve when she spoke before Parliament and
Speaker 1: called out the sexism and double standard faced by women
Speaker 1: in public and professional life. Julia Gillard continues to make
Speaker 1: an impact on public life. She is the chair of
Speaker 1: the Global Institute for Women's Leadership at King's College, London,
Speaker 1: and she also chairs the Global Partnership for Education, which
Speaker 1: seeks to strengthen education systems worldwide and get more children
Speaker 1: into school. Let's listen and learn why Julia Gillard is
Speaker 1: one of Seneca's on women to hear. So, Madam Prime Minister,
Speaker 1: it's a delight to have you with us today, A
Speaker 1: great pleasure to be with you. I wonder if you
Speaker 1: could tell us briefly about your personal history. Was there
Speaker 1: a defining moment in your life that perhaps helped you
Speaker 1: become a future prime minister? Because it is quite an
Speaker 1: extraordinary accomplishment. Needless to say, well, thank you for saying that.
Speaker 1: My history is that of a migrant family. Australia is
Speaker 1: different to the US. You don't need to be born
Speaker 1: in Australia to end up Australian Prime Minister. I was
Speaker 1: actually born in Wales in the United Kingdom. My father
Speaker 1: grew up in a coal mining village. He left school
Speaker 1: at fourteen. My mother grew up in Barrie, which is
Speaker 1: a dock area in Wales, a lots of ships and
Speaker 1: shipbuilding and the like, and she too drifted away from
Speaker 1: school during her teenage is They actually both ended up
Speaker 1: in the police force, got married and decided to migrate
Speaker 1: to Australia when my sister was seven and I was four.
Speaker 1: So I grew up in a very suburban Australian home
Speaker 1: in Adelaide. My dad went on to train to become
Speaker 1: a psychiatric nurse. My mother was a cook in an
Speaker 1: aged care facility. But they were very regretful that they
Speaker 1: hadn't had an opportunity to finish their education, so they
Speaker 1: always taught my sister and I to aim high. And
Speaker 1: I guess the pivotal moment of my life in terms
Speaker 1: of choosing politics, came when I got to go to
Speaker 1: Adelaide University to study law. In the second year there,
Speaker 1: the government engaged in some big cutbacks to education, and
Speaker 1: coming from my family background, I thought this was really wrong,
Speaker 1: that everybody had the right to a great quality education,
Speaker 1: and so I got involved in a campaign to change
Speaker 1: the government's mind and we did have some success. They
Speaker 1: backed down on some of the cutbacks, not all of them,
Speaker 1: but that swept me up into student politics and from
Speaker 1: that I got more and more involved in the Labor
Speaker 1: Party and then by the time I was moving from
Speaker 1: my twenties into my thirties, I decided that I would
Speaker 1: like to go into politics and have the power to
Speaker 1: make a difference. And that, in a nutshell is my story.
Speaker 1: Well it's a wonderful story. And you did aim high,
Speaker 1: there's no doubt about it. And I love the fact
Speaker 1: that you got engaged in your college years and really
Speaker 1: in the events and issues of your time, and that's
Speaker 1: been the case ever since. It's an extraordinary story. When
Speaker 1: you were elected Prime minister, that happened I think in
Speaker 1: two thousand and ten you faced truly incredible sexism by
Speaker 1: any definition. In fact, you gave a speech in the
Speaker 1: Parliament calling out sexism and the double standard. That speech
Speaker 1: was voted the most unforgettable moment in Australian TV history.
Speaker 1: Why did you make that speech and what was the result?
Speaker 1: That was a speech really born of frustration. I mean,
Speaker 1: with the benefit of hindsight looking back on my time
Speaker 1: as Prime minister, I made a big error in terms
Speaker 1: of calling out sexism and misogyny. I assumed when I
Speaker 1: became Prime Minister that the maximum reaction to me being
Speaker 1: the first woman, both good and bad, would happen in
Speaker 1: the early months of my prime ministership, and then it
Speaker 1: would sort of wash through the system and it would
Speaker 1: be back to politics as usual, noting of course, that
Speaker 1: politics as usual in Australia is a pretty robust thing.
Speaker 1: What I actually found is the longer I was Prime Minister,
Speaker 1: inevitably the government made controversial decisions. Some people were happy,
Speaker 1: some people weren't. The longer I was there, the tougher
Speaker 1: the political times, the more or gender came to the
Speaker 1: four And so it was, you know, in my second
Speaker 1: or third year as Prime Minister that I was more
Speaker 1: likely to be referred to as a bitch or a witch,
Speaker 1: or a menopausal monster or any of the other insults
Speaker 1: that got flung around than in the early days. And
Speaker 1: the trouble with not having called it out early is
Speaker 1: pointing to it then led people to think, Oh, she's
Speaker 1: got mixed motivation. She's only pointing out sexism now because
Speaker 1: the government's in trouble and she's trying to distract from
Speaker 1: that trouble. What's come to be known as the misogyny
Speaker 1: speech was actually very much the product of a particular
Speaker 1: parliamentary day where because of a set of circumstances in
Speaker 1: the Parliament, I knew that the opposition would be trying
Speaker 1: to challenge me on sexism. Their case was that I
Speaker 1: had supported a man to become Speaker of the House
Speaker 1: of Representatives and he had subsequently been shown and to
Speaker 1: have sense some very sexist text messages. Now, the fact
Speaker 1: I couldn't have known about those messages at the time
Speaker 1: I supported his appointment wasn't going to get in the
Speaker 1: way of this parliamentary attack. And you know, that did
Speaker 1: bring out in me a real sense of frustration that,
Speaker 1: after everything I had tolerated with a kind of stiff,
Speaker 1: stiff upper lip and a set jaw, now I was
Speaker 1: going to be accused of sexism. And that gave me
Speaker 1: a real sense of cool anger, and I think it
Speaker 1: shows in the speech. In Australia, the reaction to the
Speaker 1: speech in the Canberra Bubble was very much about the
Speaker 1: political play of the day, but more broadly in the
Speaker 1: Australian community, it was seen for what it was, one
Speaker 1: woman standing up against sexism, and of course I'm delighted
Speaker 1: that that speech continues to make its way around the
Speaker 1: world and women still talk to me about it wherever
Speaker 1: I go. Well, you know, you don't have to be
Speaker 1: in Australia to deal with these kinds of issues and politics,
Speaker 1: and you and I both know how difficult it still
Speaker 1: is for women to take their rightful place in elective office.
Speaker 1: But I'm sure this will continue to be that most
Speaker 1: unforgettable moment in terms of what you said that day.
Speaker 1: Now you mentioned early on and talking about your story,
Speaker 1: your commitment already to education for all, and I know
Speaker 1: you have brought your considerable leadership to education to this
Speaker 1: day when you chair the Global Partnership for Education. How
Speaker 1: are we doing. Have we closed the gender gap in
Speaker 1: in girls education, at least at the primary level around
Speaker 1: the world, because that's been a very difficult challenge. Needless
Speaker 1: to say, I would love to be able to say
Speaker 1: to you, yes, we've closed the gap, but unfortunately I can't.
Speaker 1: We have made huge progress and if I look at
Speaker 1: the work of the Global Partnership for Education, we work
Speaker 1: in nearly seventy countries around the world and as a
Speaker 1: result of the work we've done. Since the early two thousand's,
Speaker 1: eighty two million more girls are in school. Primary school
Speaker 1: enrollment has in fact increased by sixty five percent, so
Speaker 1: that's a big jump. And three quarters of the countries
Speaker 1: we work with have achieved gender parity in school completion rates.
Speaker 1: But three quarters is not one d percent and we're
Speaker 1: talking about primary school. By the time we look at
Speaker 1: secondary school, the figures are much more disturbing. Even though
Speaker 1: those primary school figures are pretty shocking, it's even worse
Speaker 1: in secondary school. So in many countries in Africa, for example,
Speaker 1: the chance of a girl completing twelve years of schooling
Speaker 1: is one in ten. Only one intend girls will get through.
Speaker 1: So we've got a huge amount of work to still
Speaker 1: do to make sure that every girl and every boy
Speaker 1: on the planet gets a quality education. But of the
Speaker 1: children missing out now the most marginalized, we know that
Speaker 1: they are disproportionately girls, and COVID has had just a
Speaker 1: terrible impact, hasn't it. We keep hearing and reading about
Speaker 1: the number of girls who having left school during this
Speaker 1: period when schools have closed, etcetera. May never return and
Speaker 1: that will just be a tremendous setback for them for
Speaker 1: their families for their communities, because it's such an incredible investment,
Speaker 1: development investment to make education of a girl that's absolutely right.
Speaker 1: COVID is having a very big impact. We know from
Speaker 1: earlier epidemics like a Bowler that when schools close for
Speaker 1: health reasons and then reopened sometime later, that the most
Speaker 1: marginalized children, particularly girls, never make the return to school.
Speaker 1: They end up married off early, or they end up
Speaker 1: in child labor, or they end up in a pregnancy
Speaker 1: situation outside marriage, whatever it is, they just don't make
Speaker 1: it back to school. And so we are all focused
Speaker 1: at the moment trying to make a difference to that.
Speaker 1: For example, the Global Partnership for Education has dedicated half
Speaker 1: a billion US dollars to try and to help countries
Speaker 1: maintain educational continuity now but also ready schools for reopening
Speaker 1: and reopening with the full complement of kids, making sure
Speaker 1: that everybody gets back to school. But the reality is
Speaker 1: the resources available are not equal to the task, and
Speaker 1: we are also worried that education will kind of lipped
Speaker 1: down the list as a priority in the days post
Speaker 1: the pandemic, people will turn to investments in their health
Speaker 1: care systems, which of course they should, they will be
Speaker 1: worried about what's happened to their economies, and the risk
Speaker 1: will be that education misses out. In all of that,
Speaker 1: we're certainly advocating that as tough as times are, we
Speaker 1: have to keep increasing investments in education, because the evidence
Speaker 1: is crystal clear that the best investment we can make
Speaker 1: in the future is in girls education. It makes a
Speaker 1: difference to everything, to health, to peace and security, to
Speaker 1: the size of economies if we keep investing in girls.
Speaker 1: You're right, it's such a tremendously effective investment and it
Speaker 1: would be just a huge setback for the world, not
Speaker 1: just for the girl and her family, if the progress
Speaker 1: that has been made as turned back. So keep up
Speaker 1: your great efforts in this respect. I know. In another respect,
Speaker 1: you've recently published a book on women and leadership, and
Speaker 1: you've done so with Angosiokanjo Yahwala, who was the former
Speaker 1: Finance Minister of Nigeria and former Managing Director of the
Speaker 1: World Bank of formidable leader in her own right. Your book,
Speaker 1: I I know, is already on the bestseller's list in Australia.
Speaker 1: I assume it will be published soon in North America
Speaker 1: so we can all have ready access to it and uh,
Speaker 1: perhaps you can tell me when the pub date is
Speaker 1: in in North America as well as a little bit
Speaker 1: about the book. Why did you write it? I know
Speaker 1: that you interviewed a number of women leaders from around
Speaker 1: the world for it, uh, and it would be interesting
Speaker 1: to know the kinds of people you interviewed and what
Speaker 1: you intend for it to do for the reader. How
Speaker 1: can it be beneficial? Our book is making its way
Speaker 1: around the world, which is tremendously exciting. It's being published
Speaker 1: in the UK, It's being published in Africa, and it
Speaker 1: will come to North America at the start of next year.
Speaker 1: So at the publication date will be towards the end
Speaker 1: of January. My motivation in writing this book and working
Speaker 1: with and goes to do it really stems from my
Speaker 1: experiences as Prime Minister. I left the Prime ministership with
Speaker 1: these questions whirring around in my brain about my experiences.
Speaker 1: You know, I was constantly asking myself how much of
Speaker 1: this is me? How much of it is the temper
Speaker 1: of the political times in which I governed, and how
Speaker 1: much of what happened happened simply because I'm a woman?
Speaker 1: What is the gendered bit? And my intrigue with that
Speaker 1: question has led me to working with King's College, London
Speaker 1: to create a global Institute for Women's Leadership. And then
Speaker 1: it led me as and Goes and I met each
Speaker 1: other in various parts of the world, me as the
Speaker 1: chair of the Global Partnership for Education, her as the
Speaker 1: Chair of the Global Vaccine Alliance. It led the two
Speaker 1: of us to constantly talking about women and leadership. We
Speaker 1: were both intrigued, both trying to figure out about our
Speaker 1: own experiences how much was gender. So we decided to
Speaker 1: write a book which was different in format from anything
Speaker 1: that we had seen available. We wanted to bring the
Speaker 1: best of the global research about women and leadership, but
Speaker 1: we wanted to test that research against lived experience, and
Speaker 1: so we interviewed eight leading women from politics around the world.
Speaker 1: Women who were still in office, like Prime Minister just
Speaker 1: Into Our Deurn in New Zealand, Prime Minister Ernest Sohlberg
Speaker 1: in Norway, and women who have been at the top
Speaker 1: of politics, including of course Hillary Clinton, Prime Minister Theresa
Speaker 1: May in the UK, Ellen Johnson Sirleaf who was President
Speaker 1: of Liberia, Joyce Bander who was President of Malawi, Michelle Bachelet,
Speaker 1: who was President of Chile, and we also interviewed Christine Lagarde,
Speaker 1: who headed up the International Monetary Fund, so a global
Speaker 1: array of women, and we were saying to them, these
Speaker 1: are the hypotheses we've come up with based on the
Speaker 1: global research. Does this live in your life? How are
Speaker 1: you experiencing it? And out of all of that we
Speaker 1: drill out what we call some standout lessons for men,
Speaker 1: for the media, for everyone, but particularly for women who
Speaker 1: are on their own journeys towards leadership in whatever walk
Speaker 1: of life that is. We've tried to give some very
Speaker 1: practical tips to be forewarned and for or armed against
Speaker 1: the continuing discrimination that women. Advice sounds like an absolute
Speaker 1: must read. It's wonderful that you and Agosi have come
Speaker 1: together to do that. Senecas one hundred women to hear,
Speaker 1: will be back after the short break. I wonder, without
Speaker 1: telling us everything that's in the book, do women lead differently?
Speaker 1: I know there's been so much conversation and notice of
Speaker 1: those few heads of government, heads of state m who
Speaker 1: are in power today UH, and conversation about the exceptional
Speaker 1: job they have been doing in terms of confronting COVID
Speaker 1: and UH informing their their fellow citizens and proceeding in
Speaker 1: a way that's made a huge difference. So do women
Speaker 1: lead differently? I think this is quite a complex question.
Speaker 1: In the book, we look at the neuroscience. You would
Speaker 1: be aware of all of this stuff that's been written
Speaker 1: over decades now about men are from Mars, women are
Speaker 1: from Venus, and our brains are quite different. We have
Speaker 1: a very clear eyed look at all of that and
Speaker 1: conclude at the end of it that most of it's
Speaker 1: neuro sexism, not neuroscience, that men's and women's brains aren't
Speaker 1: inherently different. But we then go on to examine how
Speaker 1: we are socialized, you know, from the very earliest days
Speaker 1: when it's pink for girls and blue for boys, when
Speaker 1: a boy who's organizing a game in a playground is
Speaker 1: seen as a natural leader and a girl is seen
Speaker 1: as little miss bossy boots. We work our way through
Speaker 1: all of that and say, look, whilst our brains aren't
Speaker 1: inherently different, we are socialized differently, and women are socialized
Speaker 1: is to put the needs of others first, to be
Speaker 1: a good team player, to not be too commanding and controlling.
Speaker 1: We then look at the research and the experience of
Speaker 1: women leaders about how they navigate their leadership, and each
Speaker 1: of them said to us, and the research says this
Speaker 1: very clearly, that in order to be accepted as a leader,
Speaker 1: they needed to weave together strength and empathy. They couldn't
Speaker 1: simply come across as many men do, as commanding and controlling,
Speaker 1: because if they were like that, they would have been
Speaker 1: viewed as unlikable, not our kind of woman, offending against
Speaker 1: gender stereotypes, and people wouldn't have supported them for leadership.
Speaker 1: So they needed to weave in what people see as
Speaker 1: the traditional female trait of empathy. I think that combination
Speaker 1: of strength and empathy has come to the fore now
Speaker 1: as the world faces this dreadful pandemic. People do want
Speaker 1: to know that their leaders have got the toughness to
Speaker 1: get them through, but they also want to know that
Speaker 1: leaders are hearing their cries, that they understand that people
Speaker 1: are in pain, that they're anxious, that they are very
Speaker 1: uncertain about what the future holds for them. Many of
Speaker 1: them are unwell, many of them are grieving the loss
Speaker 1: of a family member. And I think women leaders around
Speaker 1: the world, with this combination of strength and empathy have
Speaker 1: done very well in responding to these times. My eyes
Speaker 1: have also been drawn to a piece of research from
Speaker 1: the UK where development economists looked at the pandemic response
Speaker 1: across the full a hundred and ninety odd countries and
Speaker 1: they compared nations led by women to comparable nations, and
Speaker 1: they ended up concluding that the women are doing better
Speaker 1: because they reacted more quickly to the virus. They engaged
Speaker 1: in quicker lockdowns and other forms of restrictions to try
Speaker 1: and control the pandemic in their country, and the researchers
Speaker 1: can't quite forensically tell why that is. It might be
Speaker 1: that women are socialized to be more risk adverse. It
Speaker 1: might be that women are more prepared to listen to
Speaker 1: advice rather than bluster and say that I know better
Speaker 1: than anybody else. But that is what they're saying has
Speaker 1: happened during that this pandemic, and I think that's a
Speaker 1: pretty interesting finding, very interesting and and really comports with
Speaker 1: what you said you found in working on the book
Speaker 1: as well. Well. I'll have to rush out and get
Speaker 1: the Women and Leadership when it's available, because it does
Speaker 1: sound very much like a must read. You had mentioned
Speaker 1: also your work on women's leadership at King's College, London,
Speaker 1: and I wonder, you know, if you look at the
Speaker 1: data that exists on political participation, but app between men
Speaker 1: and women's political participation is still quite significant, in fact,
Speaker 1: one of the largest gaps compared to education, healthcare, economic participation.
Speaker 1: Even why is it so difficult for women to break
Speaker 1: into political leadership? Are the odds just act against them
Speaker 1: or is there something that holds us back? I think
Speaker 1: once again, there's a mix of factors. I mean, basically,
Speaker 1: when you look at politics around the world, whether it's
Speaker 1: my nation or your nation or anywhere else. Historically, because
Speaker 1: politics has been about men and men's lives, it's also
Speaker 1: been about men's power structures. So unless political parties do
Speaker 1: something big to try and open up those power structures
Speaker 1: to women, they can stay pretty closed. Here in Australia,
Speaker 1: my political party, the Australian Labor Party, which is the
Speaker 1: Democrat equivalent, in the early ninetees adopted an affirmative action
Speaker 1: rule to try and push the number of women who
Speaker 1: were representing Labor in parliament and it has really really worked.
Speaker 1: You know, in the nineteen nineties, if you'd looked at
Speaker 1: the National Parliament, the Labor team was about fourteen percent women,
Speaker 1: So dreadful. Now it's basically fifty percent. So this sort
Speaker 1: of structural solution has been very effective, but in many
Speaker 1: parts of the world that kind of solution hasn't been
Speaker 1: engaged in yet. And then there's just the way political
Speaker 1: lives spin out. I mean, politics is all consuming, incredibly
Speaker 1: hard work, often involving constant travel over long distances, and
Speaker 1: not much has been done to accommodate work and family life.
Speaker 1: Some things have happened, but nowhere near enough. And I
Speaker 1: think many women, particularly in the family formation stage, say
Speaker 1: to themselves that it just could come together for them,
Speaker 1: which is why an example like Jacinder Dern being the
Speaker 1: second woman to have a baby while leading a nation
Speaker 1: is just so important. And then thirdly, I think women
Speaker 1: see the treatment of other women in politics and they
Speaker 1: see that it is still so sexist. So much happens
Speaker 1: negatively simply because it's a woman who's in the political sphere.
Speaker 1: And when we reflect on things, for example, like what
Speaker 1: happened to Hillary Clinton during her campaign, it's just clear,
Speaker 1: absolutely clear, that so many things happened simply because she
Speaker 1: was a woman. And I think women can have one
Speaker 1: of two reactions to that. They can get mad and
Speaker 1: that anger can propel them into putting themselves forward for
Speaker 1: politics or supporting another woman who does, or they can
Speaker 1: get discouraged. And a really big thing for all of
Speaker 1: us now, I think those of us who have been
Speaker 1: involved in politics is to say, get in there. Yes,
Speaker 1: there will still be sometimes when you are treated differently
Speaker 1: or lesser simply because you're a woman. But the only
Speaker 1: way of us busting through that is for more women
Speaker 1: to go into the system. And the heartening news there,
Speaker 1: I think, and it comes out very clearly in the
Speaker 1: discussions we had around the book, is that the more
Speaker 1: women that come through, the easier it gets. You know,
Speaker 1: just cinder our Dern is crystal clear that she is
Speaker 1: having a different time in New Zealand because she is
Speaker 1: the third woman to lead that country. It's a very
Speaker 1: different experience than being the first. So that should give
Speaker 1: us heart that the more women who go in, the
Speaker 1: more women who get there, the bigger the change we make.
Speaker 1: So true. And you know, and you think about the
Speaker 1: decisions that are made in elective office and how they
Speaker 1: affect all of the people, men and women, how critically
Speaker 1: important it is to have women's experiences, talents, and perspectives
Speaker 1: brought to that decision making process. So hopefully more and
Speaker 1: more will come forward. I think you will agree, as
Speaker 1: you've said that role models make a difference, and if
Speaker 1: it becomes more comfortable for larger numbers of people, Uh,
Speaker 1: it will be that much more possible. I want to
Speaker 1: end on gender equality today, and what brings me to
Speaker 1: the question is the fact that we're marking the twenty
Speaker 1: five anniversary of that Fourth World Conference on Women that
Speaker 1: took place in Beijing. Women's rights are human rights. Indeed,
Speaker 1: we've made progress. Uh, there's a lot more progress to
Speaker 1: be made, surely. UM. And I wonder, because you've been
Speaker 1: part of discussions and high level convenings focus on this topic,
Speaker 1: and how do we go forward? UM? What your views are?
Speaker 1: What do you see as the biggest challenges yet for
Speaker 1: gender equality, and how do you see the future? What
Speaker 1: are some of those really compelling issues that we're going
Speaker 1: to have to confront It certainly is an important ear
Speaker 1: twenty five years on to reflect on the Beijing speech.
Speaker 1: And I know, Milan you were so involved and you
Speaker 1: were actually there, but it seems incredible now that twenty
Speaker 1: five years ago when Hillary Clinton said women's rights are
Speaker 1: humans rights, human rights and women's rights, that kind of
Speaker 1: the world went mad, whereas now I hope we would
Speaker 1: all say that that's a self evident and obviously true statement,
Speaker 1: and we have made a lot of progress. But as
Speaker 1: I look forward, I think we have to double down
Speaker 1: on solving the girl's education challenge. That's just the foundation
Speaker 1: and stone for all else. I think in the post
Speaker 1: covid era, and by that I mean when we have
Speaker 1: the ability to deal with the health issues, hopefully through
Speaker 1: a vaccine, but we are still left with the economic issues,
Speaker 1: I think that there's a moment of opportunity to rebuild
Speaker 1: economies in a way that is better for women, and
Speaker 1: that's something that we need to focus on right now
Speaker 1: in a planning sense, but in an implementation sense. In
Speaker 1: the years before us, what the pandemic has done has
Speaker 1: reminded us of the value of caring work. Who has
Speaker 1: got us through as a society this pandemic is those
Speaker 1: who work in caring professions, disproportionately women who has who
Speaker 1: have suffered in the economy, well, those with casualized and
Speaker 1: insecure work have suffered the most, and they are disproportionately women.
Speaker 1: The jobs lost have been lost by women, mainly, and
Speaker 1: yet at the same time we've also had for those
Speaker 1: who do office style work, we've had a big quick
Speaker 1: lesson in how we can work virtually. And I'm hoping
Speaker 1: that we can take all of that with us into
Speaker 1: the future and say, what is a better, fairer and
Speaker 1: more flexible way of running our economies which would make
Speaker 1: a real difference for gender equality and diversity generally. What
Speaker 1: can we build in as we rebuild that would be
Speaker 1: better for women and better for people who are disadvantaged
Speaker 1: in current economic structures. Its third, I think we have
Speaker 1: to keep pushing on this issue of women's leadership. Role
Speaker 1: models are important. Encouraging aspiration amongst girls and young women
Speaker 1: is important. There's a fan hastic study in India which
Speaker 1: shows that girls who grow up in a village that
Speaker 1: has a female leader don't don't just have bigger aims
Speaker 1: for their life, they actually study harder today because they
Speaker 1: can see a future for themselves. So in terms of
Speaker 1: women's equality, women's leadership and role models really matter. And
Speaker 1: I also think we've got to be pushing the boundaries
Speaker 1: on gender stereotyping. We're not going to get to true
Speaker 1: equality if people still put women and men in gender
Speaker 1: specific pigeon holes and expect them to behave the way
Speaker 1: we've traditionally seen what it is to be a woman
Speaker 1: and what it is to be a man. I think
Speaker 1: until we get all of that sexy stereotyping out of
Speaker 1: the back of our heads, then we won't hit an
Speaker 1: era of genuine equality. Well, may we be up to
Speaker 1: the task. Thank you so much for that call to action.
Speaker 1: Uh and I hope we all come together individually and
Speaker 1: collectively to do all that we can. Thank you so much,
Speaker 1: Julia Gillard, the former Prime Minister of Australia. You've been
Speaker 1: leading the way, you continue to lead the way. We're
Speaker 1: so grateful for all that you are doing on education,
Speaker 1: on women's leadership, and so much more. And may your
Speaker 1: book continue to be a best seller, not just in
Speaker 1: Australia but the world over as it becomes available to
Speaker 1: readers everywhere. Thank you very much. It's been a lot.
Speaker 1: I always get so energized talking to Julia Gillard. She's
Speaker 1: the best argument you can have for getting more women
Speaker 1: into leadership. Three things from that conversation resonate with me. First,
Speaker 1: Julius famous speech for Parliament. It's known as the misogyny.
Speaker 1: Speech shows just how important it is to call out
Speaker 1: unfairness whenever and wherever it occurs. Her blistering words denouncing
Speaker 1: the double standard inspired women around the world to see
Speaker 1: what moves so many women watch your speech on YouTube. Second,
Speaker 1: when you get angry over sexism, Julia suggests using that anger, women,
Speaker 1: she says, can channel their energy by getting involved in
Speaker 1: politics or by supporting other women who do. Finally, Julia
Speaker 1: reminds us why it's vital to have women in leadership,
Speaker 1: but that also means that government and institutions will have
Speaker 1: to accommodate the reality of women's lives, including the fact
Speaker 1: that women are still mostly responsible for raising children. Be
Speaker 1: sure to watch for Julia's valuable book, Women and Leadership,
Speaker 1: which will be published in the United States early next year,
Speaker 1: and tune in next Tuesday to learn about our next
Speaker 1: featured woman and discover why she's one of Seneca's on
Speaker 1: Women to Hear. Seneca's one hundred Women to Hear is
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Speaker 1: we can all listen, learn and get inspired. Have a
Speaker 1: great day.