Speaker 1: Ridiculous crime is a production of iHeartRadio Elizabeth. Nothing much,
Speaker 1: you know, it's ridiculous. Oh man, I'm waiting to see
Speaker 1: you because I had something for you that I need
Speaker 1: him explaining. Okay, all right, so Finland the country. Nothing
Speaker 1: ridiculous about that, No, totally reasonable. Right. But there's this
Speaker 1: town called Sabin Lena. You ever heard of this? Nope?
Speaker 1: They have something called the Mobile Phone Throwing Championship. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So contestants who I hope to be one day, I'm
Speaker 1: going to go do this. They are encouraged and I quote,
Speaker 1: to choose the phone that best fits to his or
Speaker 1: her hand or looks the nicest. This is according to
Speaker 1: the official website for the sport. Okay, and then they
Speaker 1: are told that there are quote clearly two parties in this.
Speaker 1: Some believe that the heavier phones fly further than lighter ones,
Speaker 1: and others think just the opposite. M Now, I don't
Speaker 1: have opinions about heavier or lighter. I just want to
Speaker 1: chuck a phone and be able to compete. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's for me. I mean, how many times do you
Speaker 1: drive when you're out of your car? Like I could
Speaker 1: totally fling this thing. It's just me, Okay, I don't know.
Speaker 1: There's a part of me that thinks I would want
Speaker 1: that no Kia brick. Yeah, and like I think I
Speaker 1: could hurl that pretty far. Shop at that some of
Speaker 1: those big smartphones like the big Apple or like the
Speaker 1: other ones that are just like kind of like small iPad,
Speaker 1: you could throw it like a frisbee. I think you're
Speaker 1: gonna get too much surface area and it's gonna flail out.
Speaker 1: I think you want like either one of those like razors,
Speaker 1: or like one of those bricks, right you got masked
Speaker 1: holding together, or else like something real slight. Yeah. Anyway,
Speaker 1: the idea is you want to throw it to if
Speaker 1: you're going to really compete. Three hundred and twenty feet
Speaker 1: is the record so far. Wow, that's serious. That's ninety
Speaker 1: seven meters or almost ninety eight meters. Yeah, so I
Speaker 1: almost a football field, Am I correct in that? Yeah?
Speaker 1: So if you hear noise next time you come to headquarters,
Speaker 1: it's just me out back practicing. So I'll have like
Speaker 1: a bucket of phones and just be hitting a fence.
Speaker 1: That's what that is. In case you hear that, it's
Speaker 1: me and the boys bopping. That is ridiculous. Okay, I thought, So,
Speaker 1: do you know what else is ridiculous? No baiting people
Speaker 1: into stealing your identity and then being surprised when they do. Wait, okay,
Speaker 1: this is ridiculous crime. A podcast about absurd and outrageous
Speaker 1: capers heist cause it's always nine murder free and one
Speaker 1: ridiculous zen Elizabeth, I know you've posed as someone else before,
Speaker 1: but if you have, you ever had you someone steal
Speaker 1: your identity? Not that I'm aware of. Okay, Um, I
Speaker 1: had a sort of identity theft, but not really okay.
Speaker 1: So years ago I started getting emails from Instagram with
Speaker 1: links to reset my password, but I hadn't attempted to
Speaker 1: do such a thing. So this went on for a
Speaker 1: couple of months and it stopped. Um, I feel like
Speaker 1: Instagram used to, or maybe still does, tell you where
Speaker 1: the attempted log in was from. Sounds familiar, right, So
Speaker 1: somehow I found out that the attempts were coming from Colorado,
Speaker 1: so that was weird. Every now and then I'd get
Speaker 1: email newsletters from politicians or car dealerships in Colorado, so
Speaker 1: I would just unsubscribe. Move on. I like to keep
Speaker 1: a clean inbox. In box zero huh, Yeah, fast forward
Speaker 1: to about two years ago. I started getting tons of
Speaker 1: emails about applications to various colleges in the Mountain region,
Speaker 1: and then a few that were a little farther afield.
Speaker 1: These were automated replies to request for information from someone
Speaker 1: using my email address, they had to actively go sign up.
Speaker 1: I was getting like fifty a week. It's a lot,
Speaker 1: and it was annoying. So some of the emails were
Speaker 1: directed at parents of prospective students, which made me think
Speaker 1: that maybe someone's mom had like forgotten her email address,
Speaker 1: forgotten their child's email, yeah, and that it was like
Speaker 1: theirs was deceptively close to mine or something. So whatever,
Speaker 1: the email stopped and I figured that she had got
Speaker 1: into college, and you know, congratulations to them and their
Speaker 1: impending student debt. I also I got an email from
Speaker 1: an urgent care clinic in Denver confirming a COVID test. Nice,
Speaker 1: so I hope they didn't get the vidis, but like,
Speaker 1: we'll see. So then something super weird happened. A couple
Speaker 1: of months ago, I got an email congratulating me on
Speaker 1: listing my house for sale in Denver from a storage company. Okay,
Speaker 1: and it included the address of the supposed house. Oh wow.
Speaker 1: So I looked up the listing and I emailed the
Speaker 1: listing agent special Detective Yes, and I told him my story,
Speaker 1: and I asked him to contact the client for me,
Speaker 1: because I thought, once and for all, I have to
Speaker 1: tell this woman, your email address is not my challenge.
Speaker 1: You finally got a chance to connect, right, And so
Speaker 1: I get an email from the other Elizabeth Dutton like
Speaker 1: an hour later, and it was wild from the set
Speaker 1: of the TV show. Sorry, oh, that's a whole other story.
Speaker 1: She doesn't go by Elizabeth, she never has. Oh not
Speaker 1: the show. My god, we're here with Beth Dutton. Still,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. No, No, what's it called a Yellowstone? Yeah? No,
Speaker 1: she goes by her middle name and always has so
Speaker 1: she doesn't have anything. And it's not Clyde. No, she
Speaker 1: doesn't have anything in Elizabeth Dutton, right, And our emails
Speaker 1: are nowhere close to each other. So her kids, like,
Speaker 1: they went to college around the time I was getting
Speaker 1: the emails, but they went back east. They didn't stay
Speaker 1: in the region. And one of her kids also drives
Speaker 1: the same make of car that I was getting oil
Speaker 1: change reminders from in Colorado, but they didn't buy it.
Speaker 1: At the dealership and they never took it to that
Speaker 1: dealership for service. Wait, what, it's weird. She and I
Speaker 1: are still stumped about it to this day. So there's
Speaker 1: a third Elizabeth Dutton out there, we guess in Colorado,
Speaker 1: both of you. But why would it go to her
Speaker 1: her address? Her home address was listed on the email
Speaker 1: to me. Well, have an idea for that. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: could have been automated where he went with the Elizabeth
Speaker 1: Dutton address, like it could have been the system it
Speaker 1: self kicked in the address like an autocomplete. So I
Speaker 1: can see how they could go to the wrong address.
Speaker 1: But she'd have to be in the same system, so
Speaker 1: you'd have to have so that system would be your
Speaker 1: two Duttons. I guess maybe it's weird. I don't know,
Speaker 1: that's super weird. And the fact that they have the
Speaker 1: same cars and we're sure she wasn't lying to you,
Speaker 1: well maybe, I mean, there's no reason for her. I
Speaker 1: asked her if people asked her if she's related to
Speaker 1: the Duttons on Yellowstone. Oh, you got to have that moment.
Speaker 1: The dutt No, because she doesn't go by Elizabeth and I,
Speaker 1: you know, so they don't do the last name, it
Speaker 1: actually has to be Elizabeth. They're like, I don't hear
Speaker 1: it otherwise. Yeah, I suppose, but like I think have
Speaker 1: I said on here before about how people asked me
Speaker 1: about it all the time and they think it's like
Speaker 1: real family that are you related to the Duttons? Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: like it's a real we were not ranchers. When I
Speaker 1: asked you if you're related to Rock Dutton, the actor
Speaker 1: you know from Charles Dutton, Yeah, from The Rock And
Speaker 1: I was like, are you related to Rock Dutton? And
Speaker 1: you would invite that Rock was the show and Charles
Speaker 1: Dutton was the actor. It's I don't I get it,
Speaker 1: you know, it's difficult. Well that's when I was also
Speaker 1: going by Rock Yeah, that was really the Rock Dotton
Speaker 1: at AOL dot com. Yeah. I was like, this is
Speaker 1: just all kinds of confusing, and with a que I
Speaker 1: was like, okay, Rock, Well, um, so anyway, she and
Speaker 1: I are stumped. Someone else is like stealing our identities
Speaker 1: but not really, but there was no borrowing them lightly right?
Speaker 1: Was it like traditional identity theft? You know? There was
Speaker 1: a prolific identity thief named Philip Cummings in two thousand
Speaker 1: and four. He pleaded guilty to what was pretty much
Speaker 1: the largest identity theft case in the history of the
Speaker 1: United States. UM he worked for Telidata Communications in New
Speaker 1: York running credit checks and can we stop for one
Speaker 1: second and talk about how bogus credit scores and credit
Speaker 1: reports are. Oh yeah, I mean that's like something they invented.
Speaker 1: And everyone was like, yeah, well, pretend this is a
Speaker 1: real deal. The FICO score only goes back to like
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty nine. Yeah, it sustains total economic inequality, and
Speaker 1: it's a poor indicator of for something. It's inaccurate totally. Plus,
Speaker 1: people use game you can play. I mean, it's it's
Speaker 1: not real. It's not like a People use it for
Speaker 1: things unrelated to credit, like job applications, and you get
Speaker 1: punished for not having enough credit cards or not having
Speaker 1: credit cards. I didn't have I didn't use credit cards
Speaker 1: for a decade. I didn't have any credit and so
Speaker 1: I didn't have a credit score. So I would go
Speaker 1: in places they didn't have enough information to tabulate a
Speaker 1: credit score for me, so I couldn't do anything because
Speaker 1: they're like it was like I was a five year old.
Speaker 1: I had just no credit. Well, and if you if
Speaker 1: too many people run a report, it affects the number.
Speaker 1: Oh really yeah, I say this as someone with near
Speaker 1: a near perfect credit score. I think it's garbage anyway.
Speaker 1: So this dude he used his access to steal the
Speaker 1: passwords of more than thirty thousand customers, and then he
Speaker 1: sold those to criminals, and the criminals in turn led
Speaker 1: everyone drive. I like picturing him in like a park
Speaker 1: trying to like sell them one at a time, little
Speaker 1: scraps of last post it all told though, they got
Speaker 1: about fifty to one hundred million dollars out of these
Speaker 1: thirty thousand people. Wow, yeah, he soaked them. Then there
Speaker 1: was Abraham Abdulla. He found sensitive information like addresses, data burr,
Speaker 1: social security numbers, phone numbers for people like Oprah, Steven Spielberg,
Speaker 1: Warren Buffett, and then he would submit change of address
Speaker 1: forms and have their mail sent to him. And then
Speaker 1: that gave him access to stuff like credit cards and
Speaker 1: base statements, right, and postcards. And it's like, oh, that's
Speaker 1: what Gail said. I think that's why the post office
Speaker 1: takes a little small credit card charge now, Like if
Speaker 1: you do a change of address, Yeah, I moved recently,
Speaker 1: and like I had to do that and you have
Speaker 1: to give him a credit. I think they charge it
Speaker 1: and it charges back whatever I took pay attention. But
Speaker 1: so that that's fill it out online. Yeah. Another good
Speaker 1: one is what happened to this guy Cody Nipe in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one. He had just closed down his hookah bar,
Speaker 1: tea room and board game business and didn't work no,
Speaker 1: and he hated. He needed to a ride to be
Speaker 1: able to deliver for door Dash and Grubhub. Okay, you
Speaker 1: know where this was, oddly enough, Colorado interesting center of
Speaker 1: all identity coming full circle. So he saw a car
Speaker 1: that he liked on Facebook marketplace as one does, that's
Speaker 1: where you shot for cars, and he contacted the seller.
Speaker 1: They met up, Cody took the car for a spin,
Speaker 1: and then they agreed on a price thirty five. Cody
Speaker 1: paid cash, The seller hands over the title and the
Speaker 1: key seller takes off in an uber. Cody drives his
Speaker 1: sweet little new to him Yaris home me. A week later,
Speaker 1: Cody goes to the DMV to register the car and
Speaker 1: he's told it's stolen. Cody, your car stolen. He's like, no,
Speaker 1: it's in the parking lot. The DMB told them to
Speaker 1: take the car. He told him to take the car
Speaker 1: to the sheriff's office because maybe it was reported stolen
Speaker 1: a long time ago and then recovered and they forgot
Speaker 1: to take the flag off the record. Cody goes to
Speaker 1: the sheriff's office. No luck, the car is actually stolen.
Speaker 1: Come to find out, the original owners had gone on
Speaker 1: vacation and they pulled the brain genius move of leaving
Speaker 1: the title and extra key in the glove box. I
Speaker 1: don't know any just reported like, well, you know that's
Speaker 1: what they did. Know why that's the business heronic move?
Speaker 1: Why not just tape it to the window. I mean it,
Speaker 1: I this makes me wonder if the owners were in
Speaker 1: on it. That's just pure speculation, but it really was.
Speaker 1: Huh so like a four thousand dollars car. I'm not
Speaker 1: thinking much as going into this one. Well, either way,
Speaker 1: Cody had to surrender the car and he's out thirty five. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, so what I'm saying is this, be careful, Saron.
Speaker 1: I will be careful. Um. I keep an eye on
Speaker 1: my credit score and all that, but I don't subscribe
Speaker 1: to like a service to protect my identity. Sure do you?
Speaker 1: I didn't even know there was such a thing. Well,
Speaker 1: I know there are such LifeLock, right, Yes, I'm aware
Speaker 1: of it. That brings us to the subject of today's episode, LifeLock.
Speaker 1: Are you familiar with LifeLock? I think I've heard the
Speaker 1: ads or heard you say it, just like around the office,
Speaker 1: just going around LifeLock. It's like a flack but less grading. Yeah, LifeLock.
Speaker 1: They saw software that scans for identity, theft, credit score activity,
Speaker 1: and the use of personal information. The company was started
Speaker 1: in two thousand and five by Todd Davis and Robert Maynard.
Speaker 1: You're writing this down. Yes. It was bought by Smantech
Speaker 1: in twenty seventeen for two point three billion dollars. Wow,
Speaker 1: but a lot happened before twenty seventeen. Okay, it's now
Speaker 1: Norton LifeLock because it got bought again or spun off,
Speaker 1: I don't know whatever. Anyway, So at the start, Davis
Speaker 1: was the CEO and Maynard was the cook the coup.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember the ads from back
Speaker 1: in the day, but Davis and Maynard, as well as
Speaker 1: their company spokesman, they they gave out their social Security
Speaker 1: numbers because they were so sure that product work. What
Speaker 1: do you mean gave out like on their business cards,
Speaker 1: like number. Oh yeah, no, like they had it in
Speaker 1: the ads. It creates all this. But they had their
Speaker 1: social security number just on the strings. Put his social
Speaker 1: security number on a flatbed truck that drove around. Then
Speaker 1: they put it in TV and print ads, his social
Speaker 1: security number. The ad said that LifeLock made the data
Speaker 1: quote useless to criminals. He put his social security number
Speaker 1: on the website right there on Beyonce's Internet for all
Speaker 1: the same So and we're talking about him. So I'm
Speaker 1: guessing this did not work out, and it was. It
Speaker 1: was great, it worked the end um. They had lots
Speaker 1: of celebrity spokesman Rush Limbaugh, Paul Harvey, Howard Stern, really
Speaker 1: going for a certain audience, Montell Williams. Yep, it's a
Speaker 1: murderers row of trustworthy guys. Yeah. Really can they not
Speaker 1: get alxtre back in there? But here's the thing. The
Speaker 1: celebrities didn't offer up their social Security number. No, no,
Speaker 1: So the company charged one hundred dollars a year, or
Speaker 1: they'd give you a deal ten dollars a month. Okay,
Speaker 1: so you get a deal if you do pay in
Speaker 1: full for a year. That was back in two thousand
Speaker 1: and seven to help the customers monitor their accounts with
Speaker 1: the three credit reporting bureaus. It also offered a million
Speaker 1: dollar insurance policy to cover losses if a customer was
Speaker 1: victim of identity theft. So by early two thousand and seven,
Speaker 1: LifeLock said it had only paid out losses three times
Speaker 1: in amounts far less than a million dollars. Right by
Speaker 1: May of two thousand and seven, LifeLock claimed to have
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty thousand customers and they'd recently received
Speaker 1: six million dollars in seed investments. But a year later
Speaker 1: they said it they had a million customers. So this
Speaker 1: thing's just booming. Yeah, you know, with like the Internet's
Speaker 1: getting more and more accessible to people, and everyone's talking
Speaker 1: about identity theft, and it becomes this hot button issue exactly,
Speaker 1: And it became an issue where people were worried about it.
Speaker 1: They're talking about it, so everyone's like, what can I do?
Speaker 1: I need to want something simple? Yeah, it's simple. They're
Speaker 1: going to do it ten bucks a month and they
Speaker 1: can protect me. June two thousand and seven, Wired reported
Speaker 1: that Davis was the victim of identity theft, so not
Speaker 1: to victim blame. But that's what you get smearing your
Speaker 1: social security number all over the place. Now, a thief
Speaker 1: used his social security number to get a five hundred
Speaker 1: dollars loan from a check cashing company in Fort Worth,
Speaker 1: Texas hundred bucks. The thief also had Davis's wife's cell
Speaker 1: phone number, and Davis only found out about this when
Speaker 1: the company called his wife to try and recover the
Speaker 1: unpaid debt. He was not alerted by LifeLock. So a
Speaker 1: LifeLock spokesperson said that because the check cashing company didn't
Speaker 1: run a credit report on the social security number, the
Speaker 1: fraud alert was not revealed. So there's no way that
Speaker 1: LifeLock could have performed. Yeah, but no criminal charges were
Speaker 1: filed though. I right, Well, when we get back from
Speaker 1: this break, i'll tell you all right, all right, we're back. Hey,
Speaker 1: you look at us? Hey. So, Todd Davis, the CEO
Speaker 1: of LifeLock, put his social security number all over ads
Speaker 1: for the company. It's everywhere. So he put on a
Speaker 1: pair of red boxers and went hanging out in a bullpen.
Speaker 1: He's like, how many bulls do we have here? Exactly? Okay? Now,
Speaker 1: LifeLock was supposed to be so badass though that no
Speaker 1: one would be able to steal his identity and I
Speaker 1: don't know take out a loan for five hundred bucks,
Speaker 1: but they did. The person who did it was caught,
Speaker 1: but no criminal charges were ever filed because that would
Speaker 1: have gotten press. Well why you're saying before the Fort
Speaker 1: Worth police could finish their investigation. Well, let me show you, Zareny,
Speaker 1: close your eye, I want you to picture it. It's
Speaker 1: late summer two thousand and seven. You're a freelance cameraman
Speaker 1: in Fort Worth, Texas. You get work here and there
Speaker 1: doing weddings and corporate shoots. You get a call from
Speaker 1: Todd Davis, CEO of LifeLock, the company that you keep
Speaker 1: seeing ads for. He wants to hire you for a project,
Speaker 1: and you're pretty excited. This could be your big break
Speaker 1: into commercial work. Davis is a little amped up, telling
Speaker 1: you that this is a very important project and he
Speaker 1: needs someone tough and willing to go the extra mile.
Speaker 1: That's me. Someone with a good camera and some moxie.
Speaker 1: That's you, Zaron. You tell Davis that you're his man
Speaker 1: for this project, and you ask when and where? When
Speaker 1: and where? He tells you that he'll send a van
Speaker 1: to pick you up tomorrow morning. Next morning, you hear
Speaker 1: a car horn two it outside. You head out to
Speaker 1: the waiting van, and the man in the front seat
Speaker 1: identifies himself as Todd Davis. He tells you to hop in.
Speaker 1: You slide open the side door and climb inside. There's
Speaker 1: another man in the back who introduces himself as mister
Speaker 1: Davis's private investigator. The driver of the van pulls away
Speaker 1: from the curb and heads across town. You try and
Speaker 1: make small talk, but no one's biting. Davis just shuffles
Speaker 1: through papers and a Manilla folder on his lap. You
Speaker 1: drive through the city streets and into sleepy suburban neighborhoods.
Speaker 1: The van pulls up in front of a modest house. Okay,
Speaker 1: Davis says, as he turns in his seat and too
Speaker 1: looking in the eyes. When we get inside, I'll give
Speaker 1: you the signal and you start rolling. What's the signal,
Speaker 1: you ask, I'll point to you. Got it. You figure
Speaker 1: that this must be some sort of customer testimonial video.
Speaker 1: You're pleased that the day is clear, so maybe you
Speaker 1: can get nice outdoor shots later on, we'll see played
Speaker 1: by air. I'm looking around from there's no big check.
Speaker 1: So I think it's right. So you, Davis, and the
Speaker 1: PI and the driver. You all make your way up
Speaker 1: to the front door. Davis pounds on the door. Door
Speaker 1: creaks open. There stands a man looking back at you
Speaker 1: with wide eyes. Davis pushes his way in and you
Speaker 1: all follow. This doesn't seem like a customer testimonials erin
Speaker 1: with the resident now sitting at his own kitchen table.
Speaker 1: Davis turns and gives you the signal. You start rolling.
Speaker 1: Todd Davis starts yelling a lot. He's yelling at the
Speaker 1: guy about some five hundred dollars loan he took out.
Speaker 1: He's hollering at the man asking how he got some
Speaker 1: cell phone number. The private eye is yelling tell him
Speaker 1: the guy just to confess. You're starting to get uncomfortable.
Speaker 1: The yelling continues, with Davis absolutely browbeating the guy about
Speaker 1: what you have deduced his identity theft man. You think
Speaker 1: to yourself, this LifeLock is serious about protecting their cos
Speaker 1: he's personally going after the scammer. This is wild. The
Speaker 1: more details you hear, though, the more you realize that
Speaker 1: the one who got scammed was Todd Davis. Davis pulls
Speaker 1: some papers from inside that folder and slams him onto
Speaker 1: the table. He tells the guy to sign the papers,
Speaker 1: it's a confession. If he doesn't, Davis tells him the
Speaker 1: cops are going to come and arrest him. The man
Speaker 1: scans the papers and tries desperately to understand the situation.
Speaker 1: You now, as you should feel like crap on the
Speaker 1: bottom of a shoe that you're involved in this whole thing.
Speaker 1: Davis continues to brate the guy as he starts to
Speaker 1: sign the confession. You get him, you get him signing
Speaker 1: the paper on film, and then you shut it down.
Speaker 1: That's it. Davis grabs the tape from your camera, triumphant.
Speaker 1: He takes the signed confession and he heads to the van.
Speaker 1: As the van cruises down the road, you realize that
Speaker 1: you aren't heading towards your house. You pull into the
Speaker 1: parking lot of a police station and Davis struts inside.
Speaker 1: You slide open the van door, and you walk over
Speaker 1: to a pay phone and call a cap. You want
Speaker 1: nothing to do with any of this, so why didn't
Speaker 1: they file charges? The private eye was the one who
Speaker 1: found the suspect fort Worth PD. They were waiting on
Speaker 1: records from AT and T that would confirm the IP
Speaker 1: address that they had was linked to the suspect. Sergeant J. D.
Speaker 1: Moore of the Major Case Unit told Davis to sit tight.
Speaker 1: They get this guy. Davis is impatient. He went to
Speaker 1: the house and he taped that confession only. The suspect
Speaker 1: then told the police that he was totally coerced, and
Speaker 1: the tape backed him up. Good job's Aaron. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: was worried and we are filming something we should not
Speaker 1: filming a cry exactly. So the charges are dropped because
Speaker 1: Davis got his filthy mitzen. He defended the quality of
Speaker 1: their service through it all, He said, quote, it was
Speaker 1: not a failure on the part of LifeLock or the
Speaker 1: fraud Alert system, because neither were ever given the chance
Speaker 1: to succeed. The real problem is that there are companies
Speaker 1: operating which are allowed to issue these loans without validating
Speaker 1: an identity. That is a problem, he continued. The LifeLock
Speaker 1: system did what it has always claimed it would in
Speaker 1: support of any member and completely fixed the problems. I
Speaker 1: was not out any money and my credit score was
Speaker 1: not negatively impacted. To go one step further, as proof
Speaker 1: that our system works, there have been at least eighty
Speaker 1: seven other attempts to use my information since I began
Speaker 1: providing my social Security number two years ago, but none
Speaker 1: have been successful. None, right, so Davids. He later goes
Speaker 1: on MSNBC and he claims that the five hundred dollar
Speaker 1: phony loan was the only time that a thief had
Speaker 1: ever been successful in stealing his identity. Survey says not true.
Speaker 1: In October of two thousand and seven, someone in Georgia
Speaker 1: opened an AT and T account in his name and
Speaker 1: ran up two thousand, three hundred and ninety dollars in charges.
Speaker 1: I love all these petty crimes that they're doing. Like
Speaker 1: the guys like doing this big broad yeah, come and
Speaker 1: get me. People were like, okay, will totally. No one's
Speaker 1: going big on any of this. I mean maybe they
Speaker 1: figure that'll get flagged if they go too big on.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think you could get away of
Speaker 1: the madserati or two I guess, so really put your
Speaker 1: back into it, or just like at least a luxury
Speaker 1: shopping spy. Some watches exactly go on a test drive
Speaker 1: and go, hey, you might getting out. I think I
Speaker 1: ran over something. Can you check the tire? When he
Speaker 1: gets out? Zoom awag. So this AT and T account, LifeLock,
Speaker 1: he only found out about it be when it went
Speaker 1: to collections. LifeLock didn't catch it. Now AT and T
Speaker 1: will run a social Security number one kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: There was also a Verizon account in New York that
Speaker 1: had a one hundred and eighty six dollars tab. Once again,
Speaker 1: they were like, I need a couple, I need a
Speaker 1: new phone and a cover. They're like, okay, LifeLock, CEO,
Speaker 1: it's on. You think it's better. A Texas utility bill
Speaker 1: in his name for one hundred and twenty two dollars.
Speaker 1: People were banking gas bills with a Credit one bank
Speaker 1: debt for five hundred and seventy three dollars. Didn't even
Speaker 1: buy like a college school billk. But here's these are
Speaker 1: all separate. These are so multiple times people are successfully
Speaker 1: getting his identity and then they're going, I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: get some roll of stamps. He owed three hundred and
Speaker 1: twelve dollars to Swiss Colony, which is a gift basket company.
Speaker 1: Swiss Colony, they are about three hundred and twelve dollars
Speaker 1: a gift basket. Hey, how much Dido pepperage farms? There
Speaker 1: were credit accounts opened at USA Savings Bank and at
Speaker 1: Gap Moving, but they had no balance even they didn't
Speaker 1: even get either. They didn't get to atter. The people
Speaker 1: were like, I'll just pay this one off MYSELFE me
Speaker 1: a card. But now I can get the card. Great
Speaker 1: building my credit guys. Oh no, it's not my social
Speaker 1: scurity number. Um. In all, there were thirteen episodes of
Speaker 1: identity theft for old Todd David were people are using
Speaker 1: it to get jobs where they are doing like other
Speaker 1: stuff like that. You're like, oh, yeah, here's you go,
Speaker 1: here's my social Security number. Well, you know, you think
Speaker 1: about it like a lot of undocumented Yeah, to provide it.
Speaker 1: So Todd's she's just generating money all over the place.
Speaker 1: Maybe that was his whole scam the whole time. It's
Speaker 1: like I'll put it out there, people will use it.
Speaker 1: I will reach the tax benefits. So it was for
Speaker 1: like three or two thousand and seven to twenty ten,
Speaker 1: thirteen times they actually, you know, were successful thirteen times. Okay, thirteen,
Speaker 1: it's distinct different times, Okay. Exactly twenty and ten was
Speaker 1: the year that the FTC came calling. So all those
Speaker 1: ads claiming that LifeLock was so effective against identity theft
Speaker 1: that the CEO could go as far as putting his
Speaker 1: social Security number out into the public. Those ads that
Speaker 1: said the company could protect against such things as quote
Speaker 1: ever happening to you, guaranteed, and that they worked to
Speaker 1: stop identity theft before it happens, Well that's false. It's
Speaker 1: been proven out, it's false thirteen times, and putting that
Speaker 1: in an ad is against the law. Fraudulent. Yes, so
Speaker 1: the La Times wrote, quote alluding to Davis's traveling social
Speaker 1: security truck. Then FDC chair John Leeviovitz declared that quote,
Speaker 1: while LifeLock promised consumers complete protection against all types of
Speaker 1: identity theft, in truth, the protection it actually provided left
Speaker 1: enough holes that you could drive a truck through it.
Speaker 1: A truck and truck. It's a good metaphor. So the
Speaker 1: FDC said that at least until September of two thousand
Speaker 1: and seven, LifeLock had failed to provide quote reasonable and
Speaker 1: appropriate security to prevent unauthorized access to personal information used
Speaker 1: in its corporate network. So why Wilfred Brimley wouldn't be
Speaker 1: involved with this? Would not I wouldn't let people be
Speaker 1: involved with such a flyby to talk diabetes. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: a trustworthy pitchman. I'm one of these guys like David
Speaker 1: Strathorn over there. Well, who's the one who does the
Speaker 1: reverse mortgage? Which one does? It? Doesn't he do? I
Speaker 1: don't know. Jim Garner, James Garner did reverse mortgages. Maybe
Speaker 1: I'm wrong. Maybe it was a dream. Yes, of weird dreams.
Speaker 1: So LifeLock was fined twelve million dollars. Eleven million of
Speaker 1: that was to refund customers who'd use the service and
Speaker 1: then provide consumer education. Apparently, the actual settlement was for
Speaker 1: thirty five million dollars, but the FTC agreed to change
Speaker 1: that amount based on Lifelock's liquid assets. Oh so they
Speaker 1: didn't have much, but think about that. Okay, So remember
Speaker 1: they were bought by Symantec in twenty seventeen for two
Speaker 1: point three billion, but they couldn't even do a fine,
Speaker 1: you know, up to thirty five millions. I'm going to
Speaker 1: say that that is what the kids call sus. It's
Speaker 1: heavily sus. Yes, that is definitely like I am skeptical.
Speaker 1: I am the skeptical. So the company was ordered to
Speaker 1: be more truthful in its marketing and have better data security.
Speaker 1: Davis was ordered to pay ten thousand dollars. Personally, you
Speaker 1: know what they should have done. They should have made
Speaker 1: them higher McAfee publicly, so it'd be like a whole
Speaker 1: embarrassment if you really want to have McAfee saying that
Speaker 1: he's keeping you safe. Well. The FTC also had a
Speaker 1: separate settlement with Maynard, the other guy that the coupe.
Speaker 1: He'd stepped down from his position all the way back
Speaker 1: in two thousand and seven, and he wasn't required to pay,
Speaker 1: but there were limitations on that what he could do
Speaker 1: in terms of work in data security and identity theft okay.
Speaker 1: So in twenty fifteen, the FTC claimed that LifeLock violated
Speaker 1: the terms of the settlement, specifically the requirement that it
Speaker 1: better protect its consumers personal data. In October of twenty fifteen,
Speaker 1: primary job the one thing you had one job. In
Speaker 1: October of twenty fifteen, LifeLock and the FTC settled for
Speaker 1: one hundred million sixty eight million, of which quote may
Speaker 1: be used to redress fees paid to LifeLock by class
Speaker 1: action consumers who were allegedly injured by the same behavior
Speaker 1: alleged by the FTC. SO and then here's what the
Speaker 1: La Times wrote in twenty fifteen. The value of many
Speaker 1: LifeLock services and safeguards start to evaporate when you give
Speaker 1: them some thought or read the fine print. Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: like we don't do the very thing we say we do.
Speaker 1: I'd be like if firefighters didn't show up at your house.
Speaker 1: You're like, well, you know, the insurance had all these
Speaker 1: exceptions of what could actually be covered us, like Florida
Speaker 1: insurance companies. This is also from the La Times quote.
Speaker 1: The guarantee chiefly covers the expenses of professionals such as lawyers, accountants,
Speaker 1: and investigators the company might hire to help you with
Speaker 1: your identity theft case, LifeLock will replace a handbag, purse,
Speaker 1: or wallet's stolen as a result of identity theft, But
Speaker 1: how often does ID theft lead to the loss of
Speaker 1: a physical handbag. The guarantee might cover funds stolen from
Speaker 1: a bank account via identity fraud, but in many cases
Speaker 1: the bank would do so itself unless you can't document
Speaker 1: that the loss is due to ID theft, in which
Speaker 1: case LifeLock might not cover it either. Yeah, so they're
Speaker 1: basically saying we're kind of riding the banks cotail you
Speaker 1: can pay us to Exactly. We're not done here though.
Speaker 1: I mentioned Robert Maynard and that ft S coup right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he has a whole other story. Oh really, when we
Speaker 1: get back from this break, I'm going to tell you
Speaker 1: about the mysterious mister Maynard. Hey, Aaron Elizabeth, welcome to
Speaker 1: my crime dojo. It's nice. It's kind of steamy in here.
Speaker 1: I like what you've done with the carpeting. Thank you.
Speaker 1: That's shag Hey. By the way, every time you say coup,
Speaker 1: I keep thinking of Boots Riley and the band the Coup.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, that is not at allways think a
Speaker 1: movie coming out. It's really good. Anyway, Crime Dojo, here
Speaker 1: we are. So I told you that Robert Maynard started
Speaker 1: LifeLock with Todd Davis and acted as the Coup before that.
Speaker 1: In the early nineties, Maynard founded a company called the
Speaker 1: National Credit Foundation Incorporated. These names are always like intended
Speaker 1: for you not to be able to parse them out there,
Speaker 1: sounds like a million other things. Exactly. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm over here with the others. So it
Speaker 1: was a credit repair business, as they say, so only
Speaker 1: a few months in it was investigated by state and
Speaker 1: federal authorities who were cracking down on so called credit
Speaker 1: repair companies. For one, it was not actually a foundation,
Speaker 1: which implies nonprofit status, and it could also not actually
Speaker 1: fulfill its claim of helping quote anyone legally obtain good
Speaker 1: credit can't do it so, and it had not followed
Speaker 1: state law filing various like necessary notifications and such. In
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety six, the FTC charged National Credit Foundation, Incorporated
Speaker 1: with misleading customers when it claimed it could erase bad
Speaker 1: credit caused by bank or filings. It also accused Maynard
Speaker 1: and other executives of making unauthorized withdrawals from various customer
Speaker 1: checking and debit accounts, wait from the customers accounts, not
Speaker 1: from the actual company's accounts. And they're not like, oh,
Speaker 1: dipping in the company. Most of the withdrawals were around
Speaker 1: like three hundred dollars each. So they're doing the same
Speaker 1: thing ATM money right there. Yes, that's like the cap
Speaker 1: on a lot of ATM accounts. They're doing the same
Speaker 1: thing as as the bad criminals. But the five hundred
Speaker 1: dollars to pay the gas bill, they're like, oh, I'll
Speaker 1: use this to pay some parking tickets. So Maynards settled
Speaker 1: without admitting any wrongdoing and without being required to pay
Speaker 1: redress because he wears a tie. I guess the deal here.
Speaker 1: As part of the settlement, he agreed to be barred
Speaker 1: from quote advertising, promoting, offering for sale, selling, performing, or
Speaker 1: distributing any product or service relating to credit improvement services. Now,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, this breaks my steel, big steel, little
Speaker 1: argument about America. This is more like steel. Little bit,
Speaker 1: wear a tie, wear a suit or some shoes that
Speaker 1: needed has that he's hard from that, right? But then
Speaker 1: how could he work at LifeLock because it offered credit
Speaker 1: protection not credit improvements? He was very careful with the
Speaker 1: language there. So Maynard, he had a company called dot
Speaker 1: safe for a while and Phoenix that folded in two
Speaker 1: thousand and one. I have no idea what why not
Speaker 1: in two thousand and three Safe Repair. In two thousand
Speaker 1: and three, he spent twelve days in jail for defrauding
Speaker 1: on a sixteen thousand dollars loan from the Mirage Casino
Speaker 1: in Las Vegas. He later used this story to say
Speaker 1: that that's what inspired him to start LifeLock, because he
Speaker 1: claimed that actually his identity had been stolen and that
Speaker 1: someone had illegally taken out the loan in his name,
Speaker 1: and he said, you know what, I was not even
Speaker 1: in Vegas when the loan was made. And one of
Speaker 1: the men who stole his identity and the money is
Speaker 1: now in jail for an unrelated murder. Right, this one
Speaker 1: up with. He's totally amping. However, the Phoenix New Times
Speaker 1: field that that was not accurate. The Mirage had a
Speaker 1: copy of Maynard's Arizona driver's license on file attached to
Speaker 1: the casino marker. They had a picture of him signing.
Speaker 1: They had if you think that getting a credit card
Speaker 1: is hard, like those casinos don't let a penny slip
Speaker 1: through their fingers like they are. Yeah, they're they love documentation.
Speaker 1: If you're going to do money exchanges, they're like, Okay,
Speaker 1: here's the time, here's the date, here's what you were wearing. Right, So,
Speaker 1: m Maynard. The reason why he avoided criminal charges it
Speaker 1: was because in Nevada has a program that gives people
Speaker 1: a second chance to pay their debts. So when he
Speaker 1: got busted on he's like, all right, final pay it.
Speaker 1: According to the Clark County DA's office, where Las Vegas
Speaker 1: is located, Maynard had never filed a police report for
Speaker 1: identity theft, which would have been standard practice if that
Speaker 1: had actually happened. He goes on to found LifeLock in
Speaker 1: two thousand and five. Do you know what else happened
Speaker 1: in two thousand and five, I do not. American Express
Speaker 1: sued Maynard's father, Robert Maynard Senior, a Phoenix area I doctor,
Speaker 1: for one hundred and fifty four thousand in unpaid bills.
Speaker 1: Whoa yeah, was he running his practice with his car? Well?
Speaker 1: Maynard Senior denied the claims city never ordered the car. Oh,
Speaker 1: of course, it was rumored. It was rumored that Maynard
Speaker 1: Junior may have stolen his own father's identity to get
Speaker 1: a card, and that's what inspired me to protect others
Speaker 1: from identity like, well, wait a second, doesn't he didn't
Speaker 1: give a cops subscription to LifeLock to his dad. So
Speaker 1: when AMEX looked into the issue, it found that someone
Speaker 1: with Maynard Senior's details had ordered the card, but that
Speaker 1: the bills went to a company called net Shield, and
Speaker 1: net Shield's address was in Phoenix, and it happened to
Speaker 1: be the same address as Maynard Junior's then company thought Safe. No,
Speaker 1: I am shocked yeah. Maynard Senior eventually settled with AMEX.
Speaker 1: When asked by The New Times in two thousand and
Speaker 1: seven if his son had stolen his identity, doctor Maynard said, quote,
Speaker 1: can't disagree with that. Wow. Yeah, and at that time
Speaker 1: Desert Breeziness. Well at that time father and son hadn't
Speaker 1: spoken for two years. I was guessing this, yeah, just
Speaker 1: on the tone, I know. However, in two thousand and nine,
Speaker 1: when asked about it again, Maynard Senior said that actually
Speaker 1: he and his son had opened the card together, so
Speaker 1: you got to protect your kids or the sun was
Speaker 1: now making good money. And he was like, look, I've
Speaker 1: changed my story. I think, well you'll see. I think
Speaker 1: that his father softened up. Okay. Two thousand and five
Speaker 1: was a big year, right. It was also the year
Speaker 1: that Maynard Junior declared bankruptcy. Among the debts was one
Speaker 1: hundred and seventy thousand dollars owed to AMEX on his
Speaker 1: own card, but Maynard Senior was listed as a codebter.
Speaker 1: He also listed ten thousand dollars owed to a former girlfriend,
Speaker 1: twenty four thousand dollars to his children's private school, and
Speaker 1: various debts to other friends business partners, credit card companies,
Speaker 1: the Phoenix Library. He said that he only had twenty
Speaker 1: bucks in cash and fifteen dollars in the bank at
Speaker 1: the time it was bankruptcy. So remember two thousand and
Speaker 1: five was the year that LifeLock started offering its services
Speaker 1: to the public. Was a big year. There's a lot
Speaker 1: going on. Maynard left the company in two thousand and seven.
Speaker 1: Remember why did he leave his dad? Well, no, he
Speaker 1: resigned following a Phoenix New Phoenix New Times just doing
Speaker 1: a bang up job here. They wrote an article that
Speaker 1: uncovered previous business and financial improprieties. He remained a ten
Speaker 1: percent shareholder and a private marketing consultant to the company,
Speaker 1: and then he cashed out his shares and he made
Speaker 1: millions on it. After leaving LifeLock, Maynard moved to Hawaii
Speaker 1: in two thousand and eight. He started a company called
Speaker 1: can Do Island Ka n d Oo. It's an ocean
Speaker 1: adventure business Saron and they offered sailing, jet skiing, scuba diving, parasailing,
Speaker 1: other water sports for tourists. So he's a cruise director
Speaker 1: without a cruise Well. Company launched in August of two
Speaker 1: thousand and nine and for two weeks took customers out
Speaker 1: on a catamaran that it had outfitted UM but it
Speaker 1: couldn't make its insurance premium payments, and then it went under. Okay,
Speaker 1: and the employees last paychecks bounced. How much? How much
Speaker 1: did Maynard spend on this business? Uh? Fifteen dollars? Well,
Speaker 1: how much you have in his bank account? He spent
Speaker 1: nine million dollars? What on this business? How? I don't
Speaker 1: know the money he had a standing army of catamarans?
Speaker 1: Was he buying just like advertise? Okay? What a lot
Speaker 1: of banana boat? The sun block going on? Um? In
Speaker 1: twenty thirteen, Maynard and his wife declared bankruptcy again. Of course, listen,
Speaker 1: he had it. He said his debt was between ten
Speaker 1: and fifty million dollars somewhere in there. I don't know. Well,
Speaker 1: I think it's on the bankruptcy schedule where you get
Speaker 1: to you check off. So this included the boat companies
Speaker 1: and the lenders for Cande Island umard. Sounds pretty out there.
Speaker 1: And no one, no one, not even he pointed to
Speaker 1: any condition that could have caused this behavior. Until twenty nineteen,
Speaker 1: Maynard gave an interview, and he said that the unpaid
Speaker 1: casino debt had stemmed from a gambling spree. He went
Speaker 1: on after an unsuccessful quote electro convulsive therapy to treat
Speaker 1: his depression. Wait like electric shock? Yeah, I had ECT. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he says. It gave him man expells and memory loss. Wow,
Speaker 1: he said. Quote. One of the primary side effects of
Speaker 1: ECT is something called retrograde amnesia, basically short term memory
Speaker 1: loss of events leading up to and during treatment. I
Speaker 1: went to Las Vegas and took out a marker from
Speaker 1: the mirage, and I did not pay it back because
Speaker 1: I was in treatment at the time. I have no
Speaker 1: memory of this episode. When I was arrested, I thought
Speaker 1: my identity had been stolen, which had happened to me before.
Speaker 1: I'm now convinced that I did it. I paid the
Speaker 1: marker and all charges were dropped. I don't know about
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. But someone in my life who they
Speaker 1: had electro shock therapy and they don't remember I know
Speaker 1: exactly the years I was in their life at the time.
Speaker 1: They don't remember much of that time except for some
Speaker 1: memories that I'm in and they tell me to help
Speaker 1: them with their memory, and it doesn't work. Like he's describing,
Speaker 1: and not at all. It's not like, oh, I have
Speaker 1: this ambient memory. It's like I can't remember what I
Speaker 1: did yesterday when I got all that money. It's not
Speaker 1: like that. Well, like, I won't speculate on anyone's mental state,
Speaker 1: particularly because I believe we're all hanging on by a
Speaker 1: thread and one click away from losing it. Maybe that's
Speaker 1: just me. I've dealt I've dealt with depression and anxiety,
Speaker 1: and you know that what's really exhausting about it keeping
Speaker 1: other people from knowing. That's like the most exhausting part.
Speaker 1: So I buy that he was having manic episodes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not questioning them, But where he's extending it is
Speaker 1: where I question It's. Yeah. Well. In August twenty twenty
Speaker 1: Maynards self published a book called One Step Dude, My
Speaker 1: Continuing Journey from unf Wow, which, among other things, discusses
Speaker 1: his struggles with mental illness. Okay, so here's the synopsis
Speaker 1: for the book. It may not look like it at
Speaker 1: first glance, but I am one up dude. I've started
Speaker 1: multiple businesses. Two have made billions. That's in all caps.
Speaker 1: I have made two multimillion dollar fortunes. I am a marine.
Speaker 1: I made it through college in two years, top of
Speaker 1: my class. I'm bipolar. Although it's difficult, it's also my
Speaker 1: secret weapon because I think differently than most people. I'm
Speaker 1: a best selling author and popular speaker. My kids and
Speaker 1: grandkids are healthy. I'm loved by a woman whose grace
Speaker 1: borders on holiness. I have everything. Sounds great, right, There's more.
Speaker 1: I lie as easily as I breathe. Those fortunes I
Speaker 1: made blew them both. I ended up on food stamps
Speaker 1: and Medicaid between them. I've gone bankrupt three times. I've
Speaker 1: gone through three marriages. I self destruct on a regular basis.
Speaker 1: People love me. The more they love me, the more
Speaker 1: I hurt them. I am a victim and a survivor
Speaker 1: of the worst kinds of abuse, and now I am
Speaker 1: an abuser. I have many quote unquote friends, not one
Speaker 1: of them truly knows me. I have nothing when I
Speaker 1: started this book in January of twenty twenty. This is
Speaker 1: where I was. My most recent business is being sold
Speaker 1: for parts, and my reputation is ruined. I'm about to
Speaker 1: be crucified for my failure in the local tabloid. I
Speaker 1: drive a one hundred thousand dollars car. I live in
Speaker 1: a five thousand dollars per month apartment. I have three
Speaker 1: dollars and forty seven cents in my checking account. I've
Speaker 1: just spent weeks in psychiatric hospitals because I was suicidal.
Speaker 1: I can bench press thirty pounds after five minutes of aerobics.
Speaker 1: I'm totally gassed. I just learned that I have cluster
Speaker 1: B personality disorder. Never heard of it. Mean either it's bad,
Speaker 1: but it was the key, see what I mean, totally
Speaker 1: picked up. I decided that at fifty seven, it was
Speaker 1: time to start getting want to know more. Read the book.
Speaker 1: This is to sell a book is to sell. All
Speaker 1: of that was an advertisement. It makes me want to
Speaker 1: spend my money on something that was one of the
Speaker 1: most amazingly honest tell me a book was self published
Speaker 1: without telling me a book was self Wow. I mean
Speaker 1: like it vascillated between like the steward smally I'm good enough,
Speaker 1: I'm smart enough, and dog on it people like me,
Speaker 1: And then if you saw the other side of the mirror,
Speaker 1: whe it's like and also you have at three dollars
Speaker 1: and you're like, WHOA. I have a number of people
Speaker 1: in my life, close friends and family who are bipolar.
Speaker 1: Oh same. And I have to say this reads very
Speaker 1: much like some something that they would write on a
Speaker 1: manic um. So I wish him the best, huish him
Speaker 1: the best. Um. I you know, his illness may have
Speaker 1: driven his actions, but that doesn't make them any less ridiculous,
Speaker 1: and that, you know, so um And I feel like
Speaker 1: he would agree. I think so he kind of he says,
Speaker 1: he just basically said, Elizabeth, ridiculous. So Zarin, what's your
Speaker 1: ridiculous takeaway? Wow, that LifeLock is exactly what I thought
Speaker 1: it was. And like, I don't like to be right
Speaker 1: about these things, but I'm like that that's not something
Speaker 1: I need in my life. And I was like, no,
Speaker 1: that's not something anyone needs in their life. No, you've
Speaker 1: got your life onlock. What's your ridiculous takeaway? And again
Speaker 1: I think that stuff like LifeLock, it preys on our
Speaker 1: fear of I mean, people who have their identities stolen.
Speaker 1: It's such a nightmare to get all of that unraveled
Speaker 1: and to prove up that no, those credit cards but
Speaker 1: yours and all the kind of stuff. And because we
Speaker 1: were saying, like, your credit score is so tied to
Speaker 1: so many things that if it gets damaged, then it
Speaker 1: ruins all sorts of other things in your life. I
Speaker 1: think though, you know, the other thing are like um
Speaker 1: malware protection, Like you know, I won't name names on
Speaker 1: any of those companies, but the ones you know to
Speaker 1: get keep your computer safe, Yeah, those are a total racket.
Speaker 1: Like I had one for a while that when it expires,
Speaker 1: it like locks out all your computer and it fights
Speaker 1: with other programs. Yeah. So's it's a waste of time
Speaker 1: and astortion. Like if a mafia member did that, that
Speaker 1: would be called they came in and said they got
Speaker 1: a nice business year to be ashamednything happened to cancel.
Speaker 1: That kind of stuff is insane. So you know, we
Speaker 1: we all have talked many times on this show about
Speaker 1: fear and how that drives people's motivations and you can
Speaker 1: make anyone do anything basic trade. Yeah, so you know,
Speaker 1: we can sign up for all of these supposed consumer
Speaker 1: protection things out of fear. You don't want your computer hacked,
Speaker 1: you don't want you know, your identity stolen. But it's
Speaker 1: a racket in and of itself, and who's protecting you
Speaker 1: from lifelong exactly because they're out there dipping into people's
Speaker 1: bank accounts getting at three and I'm not saying this
Speaker 1: about current Norton LifeLock and casting aspersions and just you know,
Speaker 1: yes we all knows, don't sume me Norton lifelong. Well
Speaker 1: that was a very interesting because, like you know, I
Speaker 1: don't do anything in this world. I know nothing about
Speaker 1: this world. So it's fascinating to know. I'm glad that
Speaker 1: I don't know anything about this. You're pretty close to
Speaker 1: off the grid, i'd say, trying. That's all I have.
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