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Speaker 1: Hello, puzzlers, Welcome to the Puzzler Podcast, the Top Spin

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Speaker 1: in Your Puzzle Cross Court Winner. I am your host,

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Speaker 1: Adre Jacobs, and I'm joined as always by Chief Puzzle

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Speaker 1: Officer Greg Pliska, and our guest today is Renee Stubbs,

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Speaker 1: legendary tennis champion, ESPN commentator, host of the Renee Stubbs

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Speaker 1: Tennis podcast on iHeart.

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Speaker 2: Welcome, Renee, Thank you, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: This is a first, This is a first. Well, you

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Speaker 1: have fifty two doubles titles? Is that correct? Did I

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Speaker 1: get that right?

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Speaker 2: Actually? Sixty, but it's okay, I'll take I'll add a

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Speaker 2: few more on there. Yes, sixty.

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Speaker 3: Hey, you have more doubles titles than any guest we've

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Speaker 3: ever had on this show.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely true, Absolutely true. And I know you had mentioned

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Speaker 1: to our producer that you're not a huge puzzler, but

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Speaker 1: we want to convince you today otherwise because we think

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Speaker 1: you will be great. And also I think tennis tennis

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Speaker 1: is a puzzle, right, I don't am I wrong?

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Speaker 2: Definitely trying to work out you know x's and o's angles, stummody,

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Speaker 2: strengths and weaknesses, you know how to improve, how to

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Speaker 2: learn from it. All the things, and you do learn

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Speaker 2: every time you play a match, whether you win a loose.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, absolutely.

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Speaker 1: Right, and especially doubles where you excelled. I feel there's

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Speaker 1: there may be there's more strategy in doubles. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to annoy the singles fans, but I

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Speaker 1: think there's.

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Speaker 2: A strategy in both. They're very different. But having four

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Speaker 2: people on a court, you certainly have to work out

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Speaker 2: various different things, a little bit more than on a

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Speaker 2: singles court, for sure, But you also have a friend

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Speaker 2: out there to help you, help you figure out the puzzle.

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Speaker 1: But you also have enemies trying to stop you from

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Speaker 1: figuring out the buzz. Well, in honor of your tennis career,

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Speaker 1: this today is a tennis themed puzzle. It's actually, or

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Speaker 1: at least themed to the way tennis is scored, which,

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Speaker 1: as you know, is love fifteen thirty forty. So all

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Speaker 1: of the answers are phrases that will contain one of

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Speaker 1: those words fifteen thirty forty or love. So if I

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Speaker 1: said this is a movie with Steve Carell as a

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Speaker 1: middle aged guy who has never had sex, the answer would.

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Speaker 2: Be forty year old virgin God exactly.

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Speaker 1: And before we start, can we just pause for a

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Speaker 1: moment and just say, what is up with tennis score?

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Speaker 1: It's crazy, am I? It's fifteen thirty and then it

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Speaker 1: doesn't even go to forty five. It goes to forty,

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Speaker 1: it goes to deuce and then to deuce and.

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Speaker 2: We start talking about orange juice. You know, it's an

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Speaker 2: interesting conversation. Actually, somebody should get to the bottom of why.

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Speaker 2: But I guess you know, World Team Tennis did ones, twos, threes,

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Speaker 2: so there are definitely different ways to count on a

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Speaker 2: tennis court. But certainly it is an interesting conundrum that

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Speaker 2: we probably should get to the bottom off.

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Speaker 1: Well, I did look into it, and no one knows

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Speaker 1: quite for sure, but something it has to do with

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Speaker 1: the hours that it was supposed to be forty five

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Speaker 1: and something went seriously awry. But anyway, I will say

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Speaker 1: I like the love. I mean, that's nice. In sports,

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Speaker 1: we need more love, so I'm happy.

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Speaker 2: That we do. Unless you're on the side of being

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Speaker 2: the love, which is not good in tennis. So another

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Speaker 2: conundrum that we should figure out why the love is

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Speaker 2: bad unless you win.

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Speaker 1: That's a good point. That's a good point. Yes, love

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Speaker 1: should be when you win. The only things weirder than

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Speaker 1: tennis scoring is pickleball scoring.

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Speaker 2: I can't don't even get me on that One's that

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Speaker 2: is not my jam. I'm not a pit pickaball lover.

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Speaker 1: I had heard on your podcast you are not a fan.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I brought it up all right. Back to

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Speaker 1: the puzzle. That back to the puzzle. So everything, as

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Speaker 1: you know, is either fifteen, thirty, forty, or love. This

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Speaker 1: is how long it rained in the Bible on Noah's

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Speaker 1: during Noah's time? How long could it rain?

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Speaker 2: How long did it rain during Noah's Bible? I should

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Speaker 1: Coming webite.

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Speaker 3: I actually haven't seen these ages. This is when he

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Speaker 1: You will say correctly, I'm with you. Your your religious

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Speaker 1: Yeah, forty days and forty nine, that's right.

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Speaker 1: What about if this is the name of the singer

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Speaker 1: and actress and former wife of Kurt Cobain.

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Speaker 3: Is.

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Speaker 2: Love Courtney Love?

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Speaker 1: Courtney Love.

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Speaker 2: See I'm getting the hang of it now.

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Speaker 1: No.

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Speaker 3: Well it's good because you could just tick through. Is

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Speaker 3: it forty thirty fifteen?

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Speaker 2: Exactly? Now, it's like it's love Courney.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't Courtney thirty, wasn't Courtney fifteen? Yeah? Uh, all right,

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Speaker 1: Well then this one, this is famous in America, but

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Speaker 1: a curveball. The first line of a poem about months,

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Speaker 1: It is a new moder poem, and I'm looking at

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Speaker 2: I would probably throw maybe thirty out there.

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Speaker 1: I think you are correct, right, because most month the

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Speaker 1: poem is have you ever heard it? Thirty days half September.

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Speaker 2: Thirty days has September, April, June, and November, all the

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Speaker 3: That's it, you got it always drove me crazy because

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Speaker 3: it doesn't rhyme. In the end, it's a nice little poem.

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Speaker 3: And then you get to twenty eight.

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Speaker 2: Well, but we all remember it, so we clearly rhymed

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Speaker 1: I actually don't remember. I remember the September, but then

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Speaker 1: I'm like, what are the other three months?

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Speaker 4: All right, well, it works for you, So I'll tell

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Speaker 4: you that one I learned, which is because your knuckles,

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Speaker 4: you start with the knuckle that's January, then February, March, April, May, June, July,

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Speaker 3: September, October, November, December. So all the knuckles are thirty one,

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Speaker 2: I think thirty days says September, April, Juna, November, all

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Speaker 3: It's you like that easier, you know, we take what

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Speaker 2: Because I don't want to sit there and count my knuckles.

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Speaker 1: I am Greg, I am on board. I'm going to

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Speaker 1: try that. We'll see all right, what about this is

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Speaker 1: the the amount. This is what Andy Warhol predicted everyone

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Speaker 2: Andy Wallhole predicted everyone gets this amount of.

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Speaker 1: They get an amount of time to be in the limelight.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's fifteen fifteen fifteen minutes in the limelight.

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Speaker 1: Fifteen minutes of fame exactly, which has turned out to

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Speaker 3: Here we are, this is our fifteen minutes right here.

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Speaker 3: As far as this is it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, what about and again, you grew up in Australia,

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Speaker 1: but I feel that this must have migrated to Australia.

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Speaker 1: A classic TV show where the main character had a

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Speaker 2: Well it sounds like splain. I think it's Lucy. It is.

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Speaker 2: That is it?

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Speaker 1: And the name of the show is I Love Lucy exactly, God,

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Speaker 2: I did love that show. I grew up with that show.

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Speaker 2: I know it's pretty hard to imagine, but I actually

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Speaker 2: how do you know that? And I'm like, we got

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Speaker 2: American shows.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, of course.

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Speaker 2: I love Lucy and well, I mean so many like

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Speaker 2: all all the great American shows, we got always in Australia.

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Speaker 1: All right, a couple of more. Okay, but you are

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Speaker 1: are you feeling better about your puzzling ability?

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Speaker 2: I'm feeling better, all right.

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Speaker 1: That's what we're here for. We're there. We're here for

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Speaker 1: positive mental health. Make you feel better? All right? How

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Speaker 1: about this is something that is celebrated with a kin

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Speaker 1: sinnia by some Latin cultures kin signia.

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Speaker 1: It's when a girl in Latin and Latin cultures turns

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Speaker 2: Well, I would hope it would be when she was fifteen.

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Speaker 1: Yes, one would hope your hope has been Yes it is.

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Speaker 2: That would be sad. Exactly.

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Speaker 3: I shouldn't be a party for when you turn forty

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Speaker 1: Yeah, listen, I have no I think all all ages

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Speaker 1: ali Baba? How many associates did he have?

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Speaker 2: Let me think, ali Baba? Oh it was the Thebes,

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Speaker 2: Yes they were. They were forty thieves.

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Speaker 1: Forty Yet it exactly. Last one, last one is when

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Speaker 1: you give a married couple gifts made of crystal? What

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Speaker 1: might they be celebrating? And now you're gonna have to

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Speaker 3: Who knows this well? I know it's not love, which

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Speaker 3: is sad, right, you would think you sho crystals? Aniversary

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Speaker 3: is crystal.

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Speaker 1: I'm looking now at all of the anniversaries.

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Speaker 2: Crystal's not really that great, right exactly? So I mean

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Speaker 2: it's okay, it's nice. I would think gold would be

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Speaker 2: say fifteen.

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Speaker 1: You'll guessed correctly. The fifteenth is the crystal anniversary. Twentieth

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Speaker 1: is porcelain first versus is uh paper paper paper?

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Speaker 2: Ye, paper, Crystal seems better than porcelain. But anyway, I know, see,

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Speaker 2: if you told me that clue, I would not have

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Speaker 2: got it right. I would have gone higher. I would

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Speaker 2: have gone thirty for sure. I would have been like,

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Speaker 2: there's no.

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Speaker 1: Way thirty is pearl, thirty is pearl? What do you

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Speaker 1: think of What do you think thirty five is? I'm

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Speaker 1: ever guessed this. It's a weird one, and it's one

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Speaker 1: that's environmentally unfriendly. People just to be doing it. Well,

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Speaker 1: now that's early, that's early. That's like thirty five. It's

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Speaker 1: coral controlling products.

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Speaker 2: I think it's great. I actually think it's I think

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it just because you know, I love

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Speaker 2: That's actually a sport that I really I think people

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm not very good at it, but I do

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Speaker 3: I found that with squash play. I used to play

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Speaker 3: moves ahead too. That's what fascinates me about some of

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Speaker 2: I think to be really great, you have to be curious.

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Speaker 2: And I think that's with life as well. You have

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Speaker 3: That's like the that's like the motto of the puzzler

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Speaker 3: right here, exact curiosity.

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Speaker 1: Curiosity. We love it. By the way, we have one.

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Speaker 1: This is an unrelated tennis puzzle or tennis word play,

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Speaker 1: but I'm just gonna throw it out to you. Which

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Speaker 2: Well, let's say Roger Federer.

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Speaker 1: It is Roger Federer. I just love that he's got

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Speaker 2: I didn't think about it.

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Speaker 1: Well, next time you see him, bring it up. I'm

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Speaker 1: sure he'll be fascinated. Have you met him. I'm sure

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Speaker 1: you've met him.

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Speaker 2: On the oh, yeah, many many times. He's a I

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Speaker 2: would call him a friend. I don't know if he's

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Speaker 2: number to call him, but when I see him, we

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Speaker 2: talk and yeah, he's lovely man, lovely.

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Speaker 1: He seems lovely. I mean that's his brand and he

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Speaker 1: is just a lovely man. All right, Well, we got

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Speaker 1: an extra credit before we go for the folks at home.

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Speaker 1: This is another name for getting some sleep, another name

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Speaker 1: for getting some sleep. So come back tomorrow to check

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Speaker 1: that out. And in the meantime, we have the puzzler

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Speaker 1: Instagram feed at Hello Puzzlers, where we post original puzzles

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Speaker 1: and we will see you here tomorrow with Renee for

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Speaker 1: more puzzling puzzles that will puzzle you puzzlingly.

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Speaker 3: Hey puzzlers, it's Greg Pliska, your chief puzzle officer once

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Speaker 3: again here with the extra credit answer from our previous show.

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Speaker 3: David Kwang joined us and we played a game called

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Speaker 3: Kwang one, where each answer is a word and another

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Speaker 3: word that's hidden inside of it. In fact, each answer

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Speaker 3: is a famous person's last name and then the word

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Speaker 3: hidden inside of it. And your extra credit clue was this.

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Speaker 3: If the author of I Know Why the Caged Bird

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Speaker 3: Sings used hair product, it might have been this, and

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Speaker 3: that would be Angelou's gel the Great Maya Angelou. That's

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Speaker 3: a terrific book. If you haven't read it, go out

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Speaker 3: and read it now, and then come back and enjoy

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Speaker 3: the Puzzler tomorrow morning.