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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Giants Huttle Podcast. John Schmulk back

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Speaker 1: with you, and it's time for part two of our

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Speaker 1: reporters mock Draft. I found the reporter that covers every

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Speaker 1: NFL team that picks between one and thirty six, where

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Speaker 1: the Giants have their second round pick. You already heard

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Speaker 1: part one. You can find it on Giants dot com,

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Speaker 1: the Giants Mobile app, or on all your favorite podcast platforms.

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Speaker 1: Where we had picks one through sixteen. The highlight Poul

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Speaker 1: Schwartz at number four, selecting Isaiah Simmons for the New

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Speaker 1: York Giants. He will rejoin us to wrap up this

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Speaker 1: mock draft to pick thirty six. So we pick up

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Speaker 1: part two with selection number seventeen and round number one.

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Speaker 1: Fellow team in the NFC East. We will go a

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Speaker 1: little bit longer on this one because they are arrival

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Speaker 1: of the New York Football Giants. We thank de Orlando

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Speaker 1: lad Better from the Atlanta Falcons who took C. J. Henderson,

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Speaker 1: which I imagine might make David Hellman from Dallas Cowboys

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Speaker 1: dot Com a little bit annoyed. Yeah, well a little

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Speaker 1: bit annoyed because I do think, you know, all things

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Speaker 1: being equal, I think C j Henderson is the cowboys

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Speaker 1: pipe dream of a first round pick. But I'm also

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Speaker 1: a little bit relieved because I'm looking at the options

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Speaker 1: that have been taken off the board in front of me,

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Speaker 1: and it makes my job pretty easy. And if it

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Speaker 1: falls this way for the Cowboys on draft night, I

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Speaker 1: think it will make their jobs pretty easy as well.

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Speaker 1: By the way, you can find David Helmet on Dallas

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Speaker 1: Cowboys dot com also one of the hosts of their

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Speaker 1: Draft Show, which, by the way, is a great podcast

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Speaker 1: even if you're not a Cowboys fan. They do a

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Speaker 1: real good job covering the draft. Make sure you go

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Speaker 1: check it out. Um, Dave, besides Henderson, who else are

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys sitting here kind of you know, crossing their figures,

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Speaker 1: hoping might drop to him at seventeen where they get

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Speaker 1: some real good value for him. I think you look

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Speaker 1: at and I know everybody talks about, you know, you

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Speaker 1: take the best player regardless of need. But I've I've

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Speaker 1: You know, if the best player available at seventeen was

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Speaker 1: going to draft him, you know. With Ezekiel Elliott and

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Speaker 1: Tony Pollard already on the roster. That doesn't make sense.

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Speaker 1: So you look at the areas of need and where

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Speaker 1: it lines up with pick seventeen. Cornerback is a big one.

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Speaker 1: We know they like c J. Henderson, They've talked to

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Speaker 1: then for me, the other one's obviously pass rusher. Robert

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Speaker 1: a gigantic contract. The Cowboys signed Alton Smith, but the

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Speaker 1: guy hasn't played. Same thing kind of goes for Randy Gregory.

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Speaker 1: Neither one of those guys has officially been been reinstated

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Speaker 1: I think you're kind of crazy. And that's why I

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Speaker 1: keep circling back to Caleb and Jason um the You know,

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Speaker 1: It's it's hard not to be intrigued. Cowboys and Giants

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Speaker 1: Dave are in similar situations. They carry over the front office.

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Speaker 1: The Giants still of Dave Gentleman, but a new coaching staff.

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Speaker 1: And I know from our perspective, we really don't know

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Speaker 1: old joke about the Cowboys not valuing the safety position.

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Speaker 1: pick seventeen? Uh? If this was last year, I would

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Speaker 1: That's interesting. So your thoughts here do you think a

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Speaker 1: to see him do that at seventeen. Dave, also stuff,

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Speaker 1: pass rush. Good stuff, Dave. We really appreciated my friend.

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Speaker 1: thank David Hellman from Dallas Cowboys dot Com for joining us.

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Speaker 1: Armando Salgaro, who covers the Dolphins for the Miami Harold

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Speaker 1: already talked to him when they selected two earlier on

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Speaker 1: again and they and they're solid inside with Nicole Nickel,

429
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Speaker 1: Robie Coleman who comes over from the Rams, and free

430
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Speaker 1: agency was a great value signing man. Yeah. So, I mean,

431
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Speaker 1: I think they can really really add to what they had.

432
00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:21,200
Speaker 1: They gave up the most ex plays in the NFL

433
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Speaker 1: last year, and when the Eagles played the Giants, you

434
00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:27,040
Speaker 1: saw it, John, the Eagles could not control the down

435
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Speaker 1: field throw. And they've invested in the defensive line with

436
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Speaker 1: Javon Hargrave, They've invested in the defensive backfield with Flay,

437
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Speaker 1: and I think gigs really complete defense. Now, was there

438
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Speaker 1: any thoughts either Kenneth Murray or Patrick Queen here the

439
00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:47,960
Speaker 1: number two and number three consensus linebackers still on the

440
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Speaker 1: board after Isaiah Simmons. Yeah, I mean very much so.

441
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Speaker 1: But it just would be so out of character for

442
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Speaker 1: the Eagles to go linebacker round one. I don't remember

443
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Speaker 1: the last time we did. I think Nike one maybe

444
00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:04,360
Speaker 1: sounds like the Giants. Sounds like the Giants with call

445
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Speaker 1: Banks from U C. L A. But um, I mean

446
00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:11,879
Speaker 1: it's a possibility. But I just think that you know,

447
00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:14,359
Speaker 1: the way the Egels have invested up front, they really

448
00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:18,000
Speaker 1: believe that the defense goes through the D line that

449
00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:20,680
Speaker 1: you have you can you can have your linebackers run free,

450
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Speaker 1: run clean, and you invest in the back end, you

451
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Speaker 1: invest in the front end. And that's why I'm going Gigs.

452
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Speaker 1: So you know, I consider Justin Jefferson here, and I

453
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Speaker 1: consider the linebackers here, but I just think you go

454
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Speaker 1: best player on the board, and I think it's Biggs.

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Speaker 1: All right, final question day before we say goodbye, And

456
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Speaker 1: this is a topic that we've talked a lot about

457
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Speaker 1: on the shows that we're still doing on remote. Are

458
00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:43,959
Speaker 1: the Eagles just really licking their chops here? I mean,

459
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Speaker 1: they've got to be really happy about the fact that

460
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Speaker 1: there's probably gonna be no offseason program in person, and

461
00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:52,280
Speaker 1: then you have the virtual stuff. But it's not the

462
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:54,880
Speaker 1: same and they're the only team in the division that's

463
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Speaker 1: returning the same head coach and the same offense and

464
00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:03,520
Speaker 1: the same defense. Nobody's nobody's happy about this situation. Of course,

465
00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 1: of course, right certainly, Eagles on paper would have an

466
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:10,240
Speaker 1: advantage because they come back more intact, and you know,

467
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Speaker 1: with it with some extra with everybody understanding the scheme

468
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Speaker 1: for the most part. However, I will go back to this,

469
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:18,960
Speaker 1: and I've said this before with you. There has not

470
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Speaker 1: been a repeat winner in the NFD in two thousand three,

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Speaker 1: two thousand four. It is a division where crazy things happen.

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Speaker 1: Two thousand twenty will be no exception. And as as

473
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Speaker 1: as has been proven in many ways, is not shy

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Speaker 1: about being crazy, Dave. It's that's not shame. It's been

475
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Speaker 1: unpleasant so far, and we hope it gets a lot

476
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Speaker 1: better and everybody stays healthy and we can all enjoy

477
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Speaker 1: a great football season together. Absolutely best best to you

478
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Speaker 1: and your family and everybody in the Eagles organization day

479
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:51,920
Speaker 1: if you guys are a real good group. We hope

480
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Speaker 1: everybody's well and we'll hopefully see you in person and

481
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:58,480
Speaker 1: not so long. Yeah, and the schedule comes out May. John,

482
00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:01,679
Speaker 1: thanks you and to everybody out there. Giants, good people,

483
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:05,440
Speaker 1: good folks, love their jobs, love their lives, and let's

484
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Speaker 1: all stay healthy. We thank Dave Spidarrow from the Eagles

485
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 1: website for joining us. They select Trayvon Diggs and I

486
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Speaker 1: know our next team, the Minnesota Vikings, might have had

487
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 1: some interest in a cornerback spot. They've had some fly

488
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Speaker 1: the coop this offseason to talk about it. A Reef

489
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Speaker 1: ha San he covers the Vikings for the Athletic A Reef,

490
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,440
Speaker 1: you got John Schulk here in New Jersey. Hope everybody

491
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Speaker 1: in your world is safe in these really strange times. Yeah,

492
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:31,440
Speaker 1: I hope everyone in your world is safe as well.

493
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 1: They are, thank you very much. All right, before we

494
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:36,920
Speaker 1: get to the actual pick, let's let's kind of focusing

495
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Speaker 1: on what you think the biggest needs are for the

496
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Speaker 1: Minnesota Vikings right now heading into still obviously trying to

497
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:46,480
Speaker 1: be contenders in the NFC. Yeah, for sure. Well this

498
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:48,160
Speaker 1: is a bit of a rough craft sneering for them

499
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:51,920
Speaker 1: because they need new starters at cornerback, multiple new starts

500
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Speaker 1: at cornerback. They will also need, you know, some receivers.

501
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 1: They they traded Spawn digs away for the pick that

502
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Speaker 1: we're using the select right now. And then also, like

503
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,680
Speaker 1: every year, the Vikings do need offensive linemen and they

504
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 1: could stand to make a couple of picks on the

505
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 1: defensive line, both on the interior and the edge. So

506
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 1: a lot of options for them considering they have a

507
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 1: lot of needs. You know, no no, Everson Griffin. You

508
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 1: lost the all the quarterbacks, Davier Rhodes, Trey Wayne's, Mackenzie Alexander,

509
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 1: Everson Griffin's out the door too, and they traded Stefon Digs.

510
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Speaker 1: Any thoughts of perhaps trading down for the Vikings to

511
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 1: try to create a little bit more volume of picks

512
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Speaker 1: from one of these two slots. Yeah, No, absolutely, I

513
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:33,439
Speaker 1: think that in this particular draft scenary, the that has

514
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,920
Speaker 1: played out ideally, they would they would trade down grab

515
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 1: some more picks. You're right, they've got a couple of needs.

516
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:40,680
Speaker 1: I think that they would want to take a couple

517
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 1: of shots in the second round, just as they can

518
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,840
Speaker 1: really kind of fill out that roster. Like you said, alright,

519
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:47,639
Speaker 1: so give me your pick and then I'll follow up

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Speaker 1: with a quick question. Who is your selection? A reef

521
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Speaker 1: for the Minnesota Vikings at selection number twenty two in

522
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Speaker 1: the Giants Huddle drafty Well all picked the Vikings select

523
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Speaker 1: Jalen Johnson, Utah cornerback. I think we're a little bit

524
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:05,200
Speaker 1: worried about the run on cornerbacks here and and the

525
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 1: number of physical cornerbacks that can play Zimmer style of football. Uh,

526
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 1: he's running a little bit thin so we grab a

527
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 1: corner that is an average to above average athlete that's

528
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 1: got some technique to clean up, but some pretty remarkable instincts.

529
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:18,879
Speaker 1: Trust his eyes a lot and does a lot of

530
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 1: tape studies, So it sounds like a Zimmer cornerback. He's

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Speaker 1: got the appropriate links to compete on the outside and

532
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 1: the inside. Seems like somebody that they would cover it. Yeah,

533
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 1: I agree. I think it's I think it's a real

534
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,200
Speaker 1: nice fit for the way the Vikings want to play defense.

535
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Speaker 1: Any consideration to Justin Jefferson here, who's probably, at least

536
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 1: according to most experts, probably the best receiver left on

537
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:42,440
Speaker 1: the board. Honestly, that's who I was gonna pick before

538
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 1: I got scared off by by that cornerback roup. So

539
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 1: uh yeah, I really do like Justin Jefferson. He would

540
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 1: have been my pick. But even if he goes off

541
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:53,679
Speaker 1: the board, I think the Vikings can be pretty happy

542
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 1: with the receivers that are going to be left when

543
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 1: they get to pick again at five. So that's that's

544
00:27:58,320 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 1: a big part of it too, is that they get

545
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,240
Speaker 1: will tip in the first round said they'll they'll take

546
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 1: the scarcer position at I think was Johnson the easy

547
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 1: pick for you based on the other cornerbacks left remaining

548
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 1: not as easy. I do like Jeff Gladdeny a lot,

549
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 1: but I think the physical profile, the size um that

550
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:16,679
Speaker 1: that helps a little bit more when it comes to

551
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 1: somebody like Johnson. Rife will talk to you in a

552
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 1: couple of picks. We appreciated my friend alright, looking forward

553
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,200
Speaker 1: to it. We thank Arif Hasan, who covers the vikings

554
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,440
Speaker 1: for the Athletics. So we head on to pick number

555
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Speaker 1: twenty three, the new England Patriots. You welcome in Mike Greece,

556
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 1: who covers them for ESPN. Mike, we appreciate you being

557
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 1: with us. Boy, new work for the Patriots. Tom Brady

558
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 1: has moved on. So what's the general thoughts here as

559
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 1: the Patriots embark upon a new era? They'll Bill Belichick

560
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 1: still demand in charge. Well, you know, I think there's

561
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 1: a couple of distant thoughts. The first is one of

562
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:50,960
Speaker 1: appreciation for everything that Tom Brady brought the Patriots over

563
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 1: the years, and then one of a new beginning. Because

564
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 1: the question here is, well the Patriots invest in the

565
00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 1: quarterback position, and if they do, how high will they

566
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 1: do it? So you have those two factors In addition

567
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 1: to the in Bill we trust saying, people say, with

568
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick running the football operation for his twenty first year,

569
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Speaker 1: they have confidence that he'll position the team one way

570
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 1: or the other for sixteen success. So is there a

571
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 1: thought of a potential trade up this year Mike to

572
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 1: go get that quarterback? Or is that a little bit

573
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 1: too big of a jump or picking? Well, Look, what

574
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 1: I would say is Bill Belichick has made seventies seven

575
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 1: Draft day trade in his twenty years with the Patriots,

576
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 1: and if I've learned anything over that time, it's nothing

577
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 1: should surprise us one way or the other. All it

578
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 1: takes is for him to fall in love with one guy.

579
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 1: And I think we all subscribe to the theory that

580
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:51,959
Speaker 1: if there's a quarterback that you feel is the answer,

581
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 1: there's really no price that you can pay too rich

582
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 1: to go ahead and do it. All right, Mike, give

583
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 1: me your select in here? Who do the Patriots select

584
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 1: at pick number twenty three overall? And the Giant huddle

585
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 1: mock draft. Well, the way I have the Patriots needs

586
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 1: sort of listed, it's the you know, the quarterbacks in

587
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 1: a separate category. In the standpoint of if you fall

588
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 1: in love with a guy that that Trump's everything, then

589
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 1: I have tight end. And at this point I just

590
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 1: I felt like a little rich maybe to go with

591
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 1: the tight end. So I went to my number two need,

592
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 1: and I really liked what I saw with Kenneth Murray,

593
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 1: the Oklahoma linebacker available for the Patriots. That's my number

594
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 1: two need. And here's a guy that might be able

595
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 1: to play on all four downs, possibly be a starter

596
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 1: alongside Dante high Tower. A nice contrast in playing style

597
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 1: between the two of them. And one thing I've learned

598
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 1: on the scouting trail is that if you're gonna take

599
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 1: a linebacker in the first round, you want to make

600
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 1: sure he factors in the first down, second down, third down,

601
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 1: and even on special teams. That Murray would do that.

602
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 1: On the final file up before we say goodbye, Mike,

603
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Speaker 1: what other players were in consideration for you besides Murray? Well,

604
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:01,479
Speaker 1: you know, the the tight end spot that I mentioned.

605
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 1: I'm thinking of myself. Is that too rich for someone

606
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 1: like Cole Commet of Notre Dame? You know? And it's

607
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:10,479
Speaker 1: hard to know because this isn't a deep tight end class.

608
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 1: And if you really need one and you really think

609
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 1: he's heading shoulders above the rest. Well, you know, maybe

610
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 1: that isn't too rich to take him there. So I

611
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 1: was batting that around a little bit. And then the

612
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 1: offensive line can never go wrong there. One of the

613
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 1: tackle for off the board, but still I don't think

614
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 1: that's a bad spot to look tackle there because as

615
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 1: we saw with the Patriot last year when they had

616
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 1: a run of injuries and retirements on the offensive line,

617
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 1: those needs are really tough to fill on the flies.

618
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 1: You can never go wrong developing a prospect up front

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Speaker 1: with the top pick. Mike, We appreciate the time. Stay safe,

620
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 1: my friend. All right you as well, thanks for having me.

621
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Speaker 1: We say thank you to Mike Reecee, who covers the

622
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Speaker 1: Patriots for ESPN, and we head down to Nylands where

623
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 1: Larry Holder covers the Saints for the Athletic. Larry, thanks

624
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 1: for being with us. The Saints still trying to find

625
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 1: that second Super Bowl for Drew Brees. They love to

626
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 1: wheel in deals. Let's start their thoughts on a potential

627
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 1: trade up or down for the Saints this year at

628
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 1: number Yeah. The Saints are always looking to wheel and deal. Uh.

629
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 1: Whether or not they even have enough draft assets to

630
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 1: do it, they still make it happen. Borrowing picks from

631
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 1: another year. Uh. So you know, I feel like the

632
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 1: Saints though in this draft, you know, maybe they would

633
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 1: be more apt to actually move down, which would be

634
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 1: a rarity for them, uh, given they don't have a

635
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 1: second round pick. But we've also seen in the past

636
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 1: where uh, even if they don't have that, they might

637
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 1: pull the trigger and go maybe get one of those

638
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 1: top receivers in the draft. Uh they did in when

639
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 1: they moved up to go get Brandon Cooks and what

640
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 1: was supposed to be a heavily laden wide receiver draft.

641
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 1: And so you know, I wouldn't put that out of

642
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 1: the total question for the Saints. But I do still

643
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 1: feel like twenty four that they can get a pick

644
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 1: that can definitely help them right away. Where do you

645
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 1: see the major needs right now for the Saints to

646
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 1: put him over the top. Yeah, I just alluded to

647
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 1: wide receiver. I do feel like they could use a

648
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 1: young wide receiver, even though they added Emmanuel Sanders this

649
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 1: soft season to join up with Michael Thomas. But I

650
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 1: would definitely also look at linebacker. A. J. Kleine left

651
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 1: to free agency to go to Buffalo. Alexand Alone and

652
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 1: Kiko Alonso have both been injury laden and the only

653
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 1: real linebacker they had that we know who can regularly

654
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 1: stay healthy is za Mario O'Davis. So I do feel

655
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 1: like that the Saints have not really addressed that in

656
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 1: free agency either. So I think linebacker also interior offensive line,

657
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 1: that's kind of a sneaky poet, uh for the Saints

658
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 1: to possibly look at. With Larry Warford going into the

659
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 1: final year of his contract. Well, then I imagine Larry,

660
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 1: this line's up pretty well. Because Justin Jefferson is still

661
00:33:56,640 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 1: hanging around the twenty four and Patrick Queen hanging round

662
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 1: at twenty four. Who's your pick for the Saints overall

663
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:08,719
Speaker 1: in the Giants huddle knock draft, that's the debate, and uh,

664
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:12,319
Speaker 1: it hits really close to Homes and Dellas just right

665
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 1: down the road. Uh. So the Saints are certainly familiar

666
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 1: with both Patrick Queen and and Justin Jefferson. The fact

667
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 1: that Queen is on the board, though I'm gonna go

668
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 1: lineback and Kate Patrick Queen middle linebacker. They could certainly

669
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:31,360
Speaker 1: use the middle linebacker within this group and wide receiver.

670
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 1: Because of the depth of the draft, uh and the

671
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 1: lack of totally by adding Sanders in in the off season,

672
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 1: and free agency doesn't mean they have to take a

673
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 1: wide receiver right now. But Patrick Queen falls right into

674
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 1: their laps and the Saints will take him, and I

675
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 1: think he would jump in immediately. Uh, and you try

676
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:53,359
Speaker 1: to push him to be your starter middle linebacker week

677
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:55,880
Speaker 1: one of the season. Tremendous stuff, Larry. I hope you

678
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 1: and your family everybody's stay safe. Stay safe, and we'll

679
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 1: talk to you down the road. I appreciate the time, Yetta,

680
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,880
Speaker 1: thanks for having We thank Larry Holder from the athletic

681
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 1: We go to his colleague back up in Minnesota. We

682
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 1: heard from just a couple of picks ago. We welcome

683
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 1: back in a reef Hasan a reef. We talked about

684
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 1: either a corner or receiver at your last pick. Two

685
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 1: linebackers and Kenneth Murray and Patrick Queen. Since you made

686
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:21,240
Speaker 1: that selection, you went cornerback before. Is this an easy

687
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 1: one to look at the top wide receiver on the

688
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 1: board right here? Yeah? Absolutely. You know, we were a

689
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 1: little bit worried that that that receiver might be gone,

690
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:31,879
Speaker 1: but we really like the talent at the position. Uh,

691
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,800
Speaker 1: It's still important to try and grab as much counting

692
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:36,239
Speaker 1: as you can't one of the most important positions in

693
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 1: the NFL. So with the pick, the Vikings will select

694
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 1: wide receiver justin Jefferson, who is a really good route runner,

695
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,720
Speaker 1: doesn't have elite athletic traits, but above average and almost

696
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 1: that every category, especially when it comes to quickness. Obviously,

697
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 1: you know you're gonna have to worry about whether or

698
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 1: not he'll be able to perform in press, whether or

699
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 1: not he'll be able to perform outside of that really

700
00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:00,120
Speaker 1: excellent offense that elis you had um, but he be

701
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 1: a great compliment to Adam Feeling. Any thoughts to maybe

702
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:06,359
Speaker 1: picking one of the bigger outside receivers here rather than

703
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 1: someone like Jefferson who operated almost primarily out of the

704
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 1: slot in college, whether it's a Denzel Mims or a

705
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,760
Speaker 1: Michael Pittman or Te Higgins or a Brandon Iook somebody

706
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, certainly that that that certainly crossed my mind.

707
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 1: And having kind of a big play, big catch receiver

708
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:25,359
Speaker 1: like one of those guys that you mentioned, I think

709
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 1: would help a lot, especially in the red zone. But

710
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 1: it turns out Adam Feeling is really great at those

711
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 1: situations despite only being about six ft all. He plays

712
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,320
Speaker 1: a lot like a six four, big contested catch receiver

713
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 1: when it comes to the red zone, and I kind

714
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:39,360
Speaker 1: of want to replicate some of the things that that

715
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 1: offense did with Stefon digs in there. I think Jefferson

716
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 1: comes the closest that way. You can do all the

717
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:46,919
Speaker 1: same stuff that was working for the offense pretty well,

718
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 1: and you can you can kind of expand in terms

719
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 1: of just making sure that jefferson skill set translate to

720
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:55,760
Speaker 1: the NFL. So I certainly think that that's a good idea.

721
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:57,919
Speaker 1: With how many good big bodies there are, I think

722
00:36:57,920 --> 00:36:59,879
Speaker 1: you can also find that type a little bit later

723
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 1: the draft. I wouldn't be surprised if the Vikings double

724
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:05,400
Speaker 1: dipped any thought at a pass rusher at this spot.

725
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 1: Anyone worth the bang for the buck in your opinion, Yeah,

726
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 1: there's a couple of pass rushers. You know. You take

727
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 1: a look at the Penn State kid, gross models, you

728
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 1: take a look at the IOA kid pretty close to

729
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 1: to where the Vikings are. Uh and in the biggest

730
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,839
Speaker 1: problem in this draft is that the talent at edge

731
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:23,840
Speaker 1: rusher does drop off the later you go. But the

732
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:27,360
Speaker 1: Vikings don't really pick edge rushers in the first two rounds.

733
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:29,439
Speaker 1: You know, they get their Everson Griffins in the fourth

734
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 1: round or Daniel Hunter in the third round. They've been

735
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 1: doing it again and again. They haven't picked him since

736
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 1: two dozen five, so I think, yeah, and they've always

737
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 1: been able to produce really excellent pass rush. So I

738
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 1: think you trust what that what that excellent defensive line coach. Uh,

739
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 1: you know staff can do for you. Grab somebody in

740
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 1: the third, fourth round that that meets kind of their

741
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:50,359
Speaker 1: athletic thresholds. Uh and and hope it works out because

742
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 1: they've earned the trust a Reef, great stuff, my friends,

743
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,839
Speaker 1: stay safe, and we appreciate your time taking two selections

744
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 1: for us in this year's mock draft. Yeah, thanks for

745
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 1: having me. We thank a Reef for Son for making

746
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 1: that second pick for the Minnesota Vikings in the last four.

747
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 1: Now all head over to another familiar face, the man

748
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 1: that's making his third pick in this year's Giants Huddle

749
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:18,400
Speaker 1: mock draft, Armando Salgaro. He covers the Maami Dolphins for

750
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 1: the Miami Herald, and he's selecting a pick number twenty six. Armando,

751
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 1: have you are you surprised at all about who's gone

752
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:32,399
Speaker 1: off the board? Since we last spoke. I'm not surprised,

753
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 1: but I'm, you know, to be honest with you, John,

754
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:40,760
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go in a different direction. So it doesn't

755
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:46,400
Speaker 1: matter what what has happened, um, because I'm I've got

756
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 1: a strategy. I'm gonna do the I've got a strategy play. Okay, Well,

757
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:56,880
Speaker 1: talk to me about your strategy, alright. So obviously early

758
00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 1: on I picked a quarterback and then I picked the

759
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 1: left tackle that I hope can start. I would have

760
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 1: loved to have gotten Andrew Thomas, but dang it, who's

761
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 1: gone and and so right, and so I you know,

762
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 1: I went with the next available, best player available at tackle,

763
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 1: and I believe that was Jackson, correct from USC. All right, Well,

764
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 1: i still have that quarterback that I want to protect,

765
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 1: and I'm going to go back to the offensive line.

766
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 1: Because here's the thing. The Miami Dolphins have had a

767
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 1: search going on for a franchise quarterbacks in stam Marino

768
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 1: retired and after so that's a long time twenty years.

769
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 1: Guess what. One of the reasons they haven't been able

770
00:39:55,040 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 1: to identify a good quarterback and actually have them produce

771
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 1: is they haven't really had a good offensive line in

772
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 1: a long time either, um, and I think it's time.

773
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:12,359
Speaker 1: So I'm going back to the offensive line again with

774
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:14,799
Speaker 1: my third pick in the first round. All right, make

775
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 1: the pick and then we'll talk about it. Who do

776
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 1: you got, Armando? All right? So I am going to

777
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:24,720
Speaker 1: take unless I'm wrong, Josh Jones is still available? Correct,

778
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 1: Yes he is, sir, And you I know he was

779
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 1: one of the two guys you were considering with your

780
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:34,320
Speaker 1: last pick. Correct. And so I'm taking Josh Jones with

781
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:43,400
Speaker 1: my twenty what overall pick? Overall pick? And I was

782
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:51,359
Speaker 1: thinking of doing the center position instead with uh with

783
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 1: the Michigan kids, Caesar Ruiz, especially because as the general

784
00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 1: manager of the Miami Dolphins, I like to make my

785
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 1: own They're happy, and Stephen Ross is a big time

786
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 1: Michigan guy. But and I like my job. But I

787
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 1: think i'm you know, the tackle is the is the

788
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:16,879
Speaker 1: better value at this page. So that's what I'm doing.

789
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 1: Any thought to a running back. I believe you mentioned

790
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 1: that thought to me in one of your prior selections

791
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 1: as well. Sure, yeah, no, there are there are some

792
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 1: outstanding running backs still available, and I've got two second

793
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:38,360
Speaker 1: round picks. That sounds about perfect, doesn't it. Yeah, absolutely, Armando,

794
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 1: great stuff, my friend. We really appreciate you making three

795
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 1: picks for us this year. Hopefully the Dolphins will make

796
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:46,399
Speaker 1: some good ones for your saken. You know, the NFC East,

797
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 1: it's a whole new world. Who knows what's going to happen. Yah, Well,

798
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 1: all I can tell you is next year the Dolphins

799
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:56,319
Speaker 1: have two first round picks. Again, nothing wrong with that,

800
00:41:56,400 --> 00:42:00,400
Speaker 1: my friend. Thank you, Armando. We thank Armando sell Garrow

801
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 1: from the Mammi Herald for making the Dolphins third first

802
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:05,399
Speaker 1: round pick in our mock draft. And now we turn

803
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 1: our attention back to the west coast of the Seattle

804
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 1: Seahawks to Bob Condata, who covers them for the Seattle Times. Bob,

805
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:14,799
Speaker 1: thanks for being with us first of all. And the

806
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 1: Seahawks are the kings of unpredictability here, so I'm putting

807
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 1: in a really tough spot to try to actually predict

808
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 1: what they're gonna do. Yeah, although they have a they

809
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 1: have a really really obvious need this year, so you

810
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 1: know you're seeing almost everybody, um sort of give them

811
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 1: a defensive lineman and particularly a defensive end that somebody

812
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 1: who's arrested the pastor because that was the real big

813
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:37,799
Speaker 1: Achilles seat. The last year they only had twenty eight

814
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:41,280
Speaker 1: sacks um. Only the Miami Dolphins I think had fewer

815
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 1: than that. Uh So it was a real issue for them,

816
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:46,319
Speaker 1: and they said going into the off season, improving that

817
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:49,840
Speaker 1: was going to be basically their number one goal. And

818
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 1: they don't even look like they've done that really yet

819
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,719
Speaker 1: because they haven't been able to resign Dadavian Clowney and

820
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:57,400
Speaker 1: some other things. So, uh, you know, it looks for

821
00:42:57,480 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 1: all the world out here like they're waiting to the

822
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:01,800
Speaker 1: draft to release try to address that. What's your field?

823
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 1: Do you think they're still in the mix for Clowney?

824
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 1: What do you think is going on there? Um? You know,

825
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:08,800
Speaker 1: I mean I think there's I think there's a chance.

826
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 1: But obviously they didn't give him the kind of offer

827
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 1: he was expecting. I think he was I think he

828
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 1: really wanted to, you know, a twenty million dollar a

829
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 1: year kind of offered, and I don't think they ever

830
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 1: came anywhere close to that. And it's just sort of

831
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 1: a difference of opinion over what a guy's worth basically,

832
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 1: And uh, you know, the Seahawks have they've this is

833
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 1: sort of how they run the franchise the last ten

834
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 1: years since Pete Carroll and John Sider have been there.

835
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:30,799
Speaker 1: And that's why you've seen some of their you know,

836
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 1: they didn't buzz on Richard Sherman or Earl Thomas or

837
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:35,720
Speaker 1: some of these other guys you know who had really

838
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:38,839
Speaker 1: long um tenures here. They sort of decide what they

839
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 1: think a guy's value is and sort of stick to it,

840
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 1: and that's what they've done here with Clowney. But you know,

841
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:45,479
Speaker 1: Clowney is not getting better offers to anybody helps either,

842
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 1: otherwise he'd be signed um with somebody right now. So

843
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 1: you know, I think there's still a chance that it works,

844
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 1: that it kind of circles back unto the ends up

845
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 1: with the Seahawks, So Bob, But then this was not

846
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 1: a great draft for defensive ends and pass rushers the

847
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:01,400
Speaker 1: top two off the board, which I'm sure you're not

848
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 1: surprised by, Calevan Chase On gone obviously, Chase Young gone.

849
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 1: Who are the pass rushers that you think the Seahawks

850
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 1: would be thinking about at this spot at Yeah, I

851
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 1: think a j. Panessa of Iowa I think would make

852
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 1: a lot of sense. And then I think the guy

853
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:17,880
Speaker 1: that you're seeing a lot of people, uh speculate as

854
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 1: a Seattle gets her gross Patasa penn State. Uh. If

855
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 1: I had to pick one of those two, would probably

856
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 1: go with gross grossmtas Um. He sort of just fits

857
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:28,440
Speaker 1: the profile a little bit more of being just a

858
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:31,319
Speaker 1: pure pass rusher, which is really what Seattle needs. They

859
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 1: just kind of need some speed off the edge. They

860
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 1: find a couple of veteran guys who have been with

861
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 1: Seattle before, Bruce Servant and Benson Mayowa. But you know,

862
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 1: neither of them necessarily project as being you know, a

863
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:43,359
Speaker 1: real long term fixes at that at all, So they

864
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 1: definitely need to add a young pass rusher. So I

865
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:47,479
Speaker 1: think he'd probably be the more logical of those two.

866
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:50,279
Speaker 1: All right, so let's make it official, Bob, who do

867
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 1: you predict that the Yeah, yeah, you have to Grossmatas

868
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 1: penn State. Um, well, just pencil him and pen him,

869
00:44:58,200 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 1: put him in ink there for the Seahawks there and

870
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:01,839
Speaker 1: over twenties seven. You think any chance of to trade

871
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 1: down here for Seattle, You think they're gonna stay put? No,

872
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 1: I think it's a great chance they trade down. They

873
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 1: haven't used the original first round picks in two thousand eleven,

874
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:14,360
Speaker 1: so it's sort of the always yeah, and they always,

875
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 1: I mean they've they've used first round picks, but not

876
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 1: their original one since two thousand eleven. Every year since

877
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 1: then they traded their first round pick in one way

878
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 1: or another. And uh, yeah, for sure, it makes a

879
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 1: lot of sense. They only have seven draft picks at

880
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 1: the moment um, which would be the fewest last when

881
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:31,360
Speaker 1: last year about this time they had four picks and

882
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 1: they ended up with eleven by the time the draft ended.

883
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 1: So they're sort of that's sort of John Snyder's mo

884
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:39,400
Speaker 1: is to try to accumulate picks, especially in sort of

885
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 1: those middle rounds. He likes to try to do that.

886
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:43,840
Speaker 1: You know, last year they did a lot of packaging

887
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 1: and picks ended up with some extra ones that they

888
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:48,319
Speaker 1: were able to trade up and go get Dk Metcalfine

889
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:51,359
Speaker 1: and the flexibility to go after players that they really liked,

890
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:54,359
Speaker 1: especially in sort of those middle rounds. Bob, we really

891
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 1: appreciate the time, my friend. Stay safe and enjoy the draft.

892
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 1: All right, Okay, thank you, We thank Bob can data

893
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 1: from the Seattle Times, you too. Grossmatos is off the

894
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:07,759
Speaker 1: board and we head back to the East Coast to

895
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 1: a good buddy. We've had many a drink at the

896
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:13,799
Speaker 1: NFL Combine over the course of the last decade or so,

897
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:16,360
Speaker 1: it feels like. And that's Garrett Danning, who is the

898
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 1: team reporter for the Ravens wet website for the Baltimore Ravens. Garrett,

899
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 1: good to hear your voice, man, Hope everything's good with you. Yeah,

900
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:24,880
Speaker 1: great to catch jus you. I hope you're doing well.

901
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:28,319
Speaker 1: It's uh, you know when I hear of the guy

902
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 1: you tour, Gross Massa is coming off the board right

903
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 1: before the Ravens. He would have been an interesting option

904
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 1: for them. It's so it's uh, Seahawks may it's not

905
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 1: the same thing, and they just take care of business.

906
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 1: One pick for the Ravens are on the board, all right,

907
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 1: So besides pass rush, given what you just said, what

908
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:48,280
Speaker 1: other needs are you really looking at for the Ravens

909
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 1: here in the first round of this year's draft. Yeah,

910
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:53,719
Speaker 1: I think offensive line, martially yawned to the right guard

911
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 1: who's probably gonna be a Hall of Famer one day,

912
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 1: retired this offseason, So that leaves a massive hole in

913
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 1: the middle of the Ravens offensive line. And then pass

914
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 1: rush certainly is an area. And then linebacker I think

915
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 1: those are the you know, kind of big three. UM.

916
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:10,440
Speaker 1: Inside linebacker could be a position that the Ravens look

917
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:13,280
Speaker 1: to address in the first round. Now, the top three

918
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 1: linebackers are all off the board already based on this

919
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 1: mock um, so that puts you know, that position a

920
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 1: little bit in a difficult situation. UM. And then I

921
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 1: think there's an out by chance of wide receiver, a

922
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 1: guy like a Tee Higgins could the Ravens could consider,

923
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 1: uh here. So I would think that if I were

924
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:35,799
Speaker 1: putting priority wise, I think it's offensive line, it's linebacker,

925
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 1: and then it's the combination of either pass rush or

926
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 1: wide receiver. Do you think given the drop off, I

927
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:46,280
Speaker 1: think most people think there is one, at least after

928
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:49,760
Speaker 1: Patrick Queen and Kenneth Murray, that the Ravens might consider

929
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:51,840
Speaker 1: a move up here to try to grab one of

930
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 1: those interior linebackers to be the centerpiece of that defense.

931
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:57,879
Speaker 1: I think that there is a chance. I don't think

932
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 1: they would go up too far. Um. Eric to Costa,

933
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 1: the gentle manager of the Ravens, low picks, and he's

934
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 1: always looking, you know, if if things played out on

935
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:10,319
Speaker 1: draft weekend the way they have in this draft, I

936
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 1: think the Ravens would be working the phones to try

937
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 1: to move back. I think that's the more likely scenario,

938
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 1: moved back to say seven or eight picks maybe out

939
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 1: of the first round, and then try to accumulate some

940
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 1: additional assets. They've already got a lot of picks in

941
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:27,799
Speaker 1: the They've got nine picks in this year's draft, two

942
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:30,799
Speaker 1: second rounders, two third rounders. But if they could add

943
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:33,399
Speaker 1: even more in that second third round range, I think

944
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 1: that they would jump at that opportunity. So if the

945
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 1: board looks like it does right now, I think the

946
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 1: most likely situation would probably be worked the phones to

947
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:43,880
Speaker 1: see if they can move back all right. Unfortunately, trading

948
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 1: is not an option here. And like you said that,

949
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 1: the top two linebackers off the board. Not a ton

950
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 1: of top interior offensive lineman in this draft. Not a

951
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 1: great pass rush draft either. Wide receivers pretty deep though.

952
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:58,360
Speaker 1: So Garrett, with Ravens stand here, who's your selection for

953
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:02,399
Speaker 1: them at number twenty eight in the Giants Huddle mock draft? Yeah?

954
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:04,479
Speaker 1: I would say there's three guys that I'd been besiding between.

955
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:08,880
Speaker 1: Zack von linebacker from Wisconsin, j F Vanessa, uh pass

956
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 1: rusher out of Iowa, but I'm gonna go with the

957
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 1: Michigan center guard season Ruise. Uh. They could he could

958
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 1: be a plug and place starter, can play center, could

959
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:20,879
Speaker 1: also play guard. Um, so he's somebody. Like I said,

960
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:23,720
Speaker 1: the Ravens want to continue to upgrade that offensive line,

961
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:26,799
Speaker 1: especially with the retirement of Martia Yonda, and I think

962
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 1: Ruise would be a day one starter. Likely they can

963
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 1: move back and maybe try to get him. Say it,

964
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 1: you know, in the in the early thirties. But I

965
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 1: think what I'm playing by the rules here, But I'm

966
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 1: just gonna go ahead and take him and get a

967
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 1: day one starter on the offensive line here, pick number

968
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:44,319
Speaker 1: twenty eight for the Ravens. Well, if they do want

969
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 1: to move down and get and get Ruise, I'll slide

970
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 1: you a little secret here. And again this is not

971
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 1: inside information, but there's a lot of chatter up here

972
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 1: that the Giants could be looking center at thirty six,

973
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 1: So I would not move anywhere past there. If you

974
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 1: want to make sure you get your guy, all right,

975
00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 1: get to know, I'll pass that along. I appreciated Garrett.

976
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:03,759
Speaker 1: That good stuff. And we'll talk to you down the road,

977
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 1: all right, pal, all right, man, talk to you later,

978
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 1: all right. We thank Garrett Downing from Baltimore Ravens team website.

979
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:13,440
Speaker 1: They select Caesar Louisa Center out of Michigan. We go

980
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:16,360
Speaker 1: to pick twenty nine for the Tennessee Titans. We welcome

981
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:18,919
Speaker 1: to Paul Coharsky has covered the NFL for a long time.

982
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 1: You can find the work at Paul Coharsky dot com

983
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:23,359
Speaker 1: and on the Midday one eighty on one oh four

984
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 1: five the Zone down in Nashville. Paul, thanks so much

985
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 1: for being with us. Hope everybody in your world is

986
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 1: safe and healthy and doing well. What are your thoughts here,

987
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 1: just in terms of the Titans overall approach and their

988
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:37,440
Speaker 1: thoughts with where they are after making a bit of

989
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:42,880
Speaker 1: a Cinderella playoff run last year. Picking at twenty nine. Yeah, well, uh,

990
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 1: it was a big free agent um offseason and keeping

991
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 1: Ryan's Tannehill with the new contract and keeping Derrick Henry

992
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:55,720
Speaker 1: with the franchise tag obviously the two big moves. Lost

993
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:59,360
Speaker 1: Jack Conklin to the Browns uh in free agency, but

994
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 1: resigned Dennis Kelly, who has been their swing guy. I

995
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:05,760
Speaker 1: think they still need a right tackle to compete with him,

996
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 1: and that would have been in consideration for me. Here

997
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 1: losing Logan Ryan. It appears very versatile nickelback UM, and

998
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:17,960
Speaker 1: I think that's the biggest concern on the front line

999
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 1: here played a Ton Championship pedigree, very versatile UM. And

1000
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:27,279
Speaker 1: so I'm thinking about Jeff Gladney. But I'm gonna go

1001
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 1: a little bit off because You've You've got so many

1002
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:33,919
Speaker 1: cornerbacks gone here, and if I'm not mistaken, you don't

1003
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:36,400
Speaker 1: have any safety's gone. Is that right? That is correct?

1004
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:38,440
Speaker 1: There was a big time run. You had three you

1005
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:42,239
Speaker 1: had four straight part of me cornerbacks taken from nineteen

1006
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:45,720
Speaker 1: to twenty two A. J. Terrell, Christian Fulton, Trayvon Diggs,

1007
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 1: and Jalen Johnson went four straight picks. So I mean, look,

1008
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:53,719
Speaker 1: there there's still a good cornerback here in Gladney who

1009
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:56,920
Speaker 1: I like and I think could be the pick. But

1010
00:51:57,000 --> 00:52:00,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be unconventional and say getting getting presumably the

1011
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 1: best safety here, despite the fact that the Titans have

1012
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:09,959
Speaker 1: two very good safeties and Kevin Byard and um Kenny

1013
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:13,960
Speaker 1: macaro I'm gonna take Xavier McKinney from Bama and I'm

1014
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 1: gonna play him in the slot, UM in the nickel

1015
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:21,359
Speaker 1: and the dime packages as very much a cover guy

1016
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:24,920
Speaker 1: who's gonna wind up on tight ends on some some receivers,

1017
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:28,239
Speaker 1: and he's going to be a super versatile guy for

1018
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:31,320
Speaker 1: the Titans right out of the bank, right out of

1019
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 1: the gate. Excuse me. And Uh, I'm thinking that that's

1020
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:40,400
Speaker 1: a kind of versatile new age NFL move, Um that

1021
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 1: could pay off. I think he's got the skills to

1022
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 1: do it. He's an instinctive, uh, full speed ahead kind

1023
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 1: of guy with with range. Uh he can diagnose stuff

1024
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 1: and help put himself in position to make plays. That

1025
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 1: that makes it seem like, uh, he was a corner

1026
00:52:57,520 --> 00:52:59,799
Speaker 1: all along. And then uh, you know he can do

1027
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 1: safety stuff too, Paul, they did trade drill. Casey has

1028
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:04,680
Speaker 1: been a real good player for you guys for a

1029
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 1: long time, and he thought of the pass rusher here, Well,

1030
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 1: they need edge pass rushing help. They have for a

1031
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:15,719
Speaker 1: long time. But Casey's a defensive tackle and his replacement

1032
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:19,239
Speaker 1: actually came last year at number nineteen where they made

1033
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 1: the big, big pick with Jeffrey Simmons. He takes he

1034
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 1: takes Casey's place. Um, They're they're not great on the

1035
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:29,720
Speaker 1: defensive line, but for as often as they're in Nickel.

1036
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 1: They're only playing two defensive linemen. That'll be Simmons and

1037
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:38,799
Speaker 1: de Kwon Jones, the veteran run stopper on the edge.

1038
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:41,360
Speaker 1: They've got a variety of guys now, Harold Landry and

1039
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:45,399
Speaker 1: Vick Beasley the headliners there. Beasley on a one year

1040
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:48,799
Speaker 1: prove it deal coming over from Atlanta. Uh, he's got

1041
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:52,640
Speaker 1: some work ethic questions. Uh, Mike Vrabel doesn't stand for

1042
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 1: that started sort of stuff. We're going to see a transformation.

1043
00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:58,400
Speaker 1: I suspect the final question and he thought of a

1044
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:00,840
Speaker 1: trade up or down here. If they were going to

1045
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:02,759
Speaker 1: do one of the other, which one would you think

1046
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:05,719
Speaker 1: would be more likely? Yeah, I think down would be

1047
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 1: more likely, particularly on a board like yours, if they

1048
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:11,279
Speaker 1: could still wide up with with McKinney or glad me

1049
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:16,040
Speaker 1: or bound maybe from Wisconsin. Um, Titans don't have a

1050
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 1: lot of holes on the starting lineup, but their their

1051
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:22,560
Speaker 1: second tier is not very good. It's not been long since, uh,

1052
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 1: you know, two years ago. They made trades up to

1053
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:28,960
Speaker 1: get Rashaun Evans in the first round, to get Harold

1054
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 1: Landry in the second round, to get Dame Crookshank back

1055
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 1: up safety later on, and then drafted Luke Frock Uh

1056
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 1: in the in the fifth or sixth um. They ended

1057
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:42,239
Speaker 1: up with only four players out of that draft, only

1058
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:45,279
Speaker 1: three who are on their roster. They trade up a lot,

1059
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:47,840
Speaker 1: though they usually end up with the same amount of picks,

1060
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:50,359
Speaker 1: but they haven't done well fleshing out the back end

1061
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:53,279
Speaker 1: of their roster. At cornerback where I'm talking about. They

1062
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:58,720
Speaker 1: really have two guys in Doory Jackson and Malcolm Butler,

1063
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 1: and after that not just people you haven't heard of

1064
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 1: who aren't good enough, but not even bodies. Uh. And

1065
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 1: so they really need to replenish the rest of the roster.

1066
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:11,960
Speaker 1: And uh, they don't have a sift um. They don't

1067
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:13,759
Speaker 1: have a fourth in this draft because of the Ryan

1068
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 1: Tannehilt trade. They don't have a sixth in this draft.

1069
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:19,440
Speaker 1: They have three seventh They need more middle of the

1070
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 1: middle range picks to kind of fill out some of

1071
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:24,360
Speaker 1: the debt. Paul, awesome stuff, my friend, great information. We

1072
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:26,719
Speaker 1: appreciate you joining us. Stay safe down there. We'll talk

1073
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:29,040
Speaker 1: to you down the road and enjoy the draft you too.

1074
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:31,360
Speaker 1: Thanks for having me. All right, we move on to

1075
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:35,720
Speaker 1: pick number thirty at twenty nine. Paul Kaharski select Xavier

1076
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:38,840
Speaker 1: McKinney for the Tennessee Titans. So we head to the

1077
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:41,319
Speaker 1: NFC North to the Green Bay Packers and to make

1078
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:44,240
Speaker 1: the selection for them is Pete Doherty covers the Packers

1079
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:48,320
Speaker 1: for the Green Bay Press Gazette and Packers News dot Com. Pete,

1080
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:50,799
Speaker 1: thanks a lot for being with us the Packers again

1081
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:54,680
Speaker 1: another deep playoff run with Aaron Rodgers. What do you

1082
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:57,839
Speaker 1: think they're thinking about here and their major needs trying

1083
00:55:57,840 --> 00:55:59,520
Speaker 1: to find a player that can try to put them

1084
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 1: over the top. A lot of needs. Um. Probably the

1085
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:08,480
Speaker 1: biggest is receiver, but um real close with the inside

1086
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:14,359
Speaker 1: linebacker and tackle where they lost Brian Bulaga. Um, you know,

1087
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 1: they need a lot of things. They could they need

1088
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:21,080
Speaker 1: a corner. Um, there's they need depth at a lot

1089
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:24,399
Speaker 1: of positions. Uh, this is a big draft for him

1090
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:26,080
Speaker 1: and there's a lot of ways they could go in

1091
00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:28,680
Speaker 1: the first round. They could take the best guy from

1092
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:33,279
Speaker 1: among several positions and and really help themselves. So giving

1093
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:36,280
Speaker 1: all their needs, Pete, do you think that a trade

1094
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:39,279
Speaker 1: down here, if they can find somebody looking to trade up,

1095
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:43,239
Speaker 1: could be a possibility. I do. Um. I mean it's

1096
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:46,080
Speaker 1: every year, it is, but it makes me think of

1097
00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:48,280
Speaker 1: the year when they traded back from thirty to thirty

1098
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:50,759
Speaker 1: six and draft at Jordy Nelson. I think that was

1099
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:54,719
Speaker 1: in a wait um. And so they're picking thirty on

1100
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:56,759
Speaker 1: in this one, and it does seem like, you know,

1101
00:56:56,800 --> 00:57:00,439
Speaker 1: with the depth a receiver, maybe when they're pickings, they'd

1102
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:02,319
Speaker 1: feel like they could get a guy just as good,

1103
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:05,600
Speaker 1: you know, five or six or eight picks later than

1104
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:07,439
Speaker 1: where they are and they could use the extra pick

1105
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:09,680
Speaker 1: and maybe use that to move up in the second

1106
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:12,359
Speaker 1: or third rounds for a guy that got targeted. So yeah,

1107
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:15,200
Speaker 1: I think that's well, it's always a possibility. I think

1108
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:19,040
Speaker 1: it's an even greater possibility this year than in past years. Alright,

1109
00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:21,280
Speaker 1: so before you make the actual pick, who were the

1110
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:23,800
Speaker 1: guys that you're really thinking about that you think could

1111
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:27,919
Speaker 1: be a major made in a major consideration given how

1112
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:32,080
Speaker 1: this mock has gone picks one through Yeah, well with

1113
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:34,560
Speaker 1: Murray and Queen gone, because I think those guys would

1114
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:38,160
Speaker 1: have been real possibilities. Um, you know, it's gonna be

1115
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:41,959
Speaker 1: be interesting. Jordan loves them there. You know, I don't

1116
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:44,280
Speaker 1: know what they think of him, but I know they've

1117
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 1: looked really hard at all the quarterbacks and you know,

1118
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:50,600
Speaker 1: they really like him and think he can be a

1119
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:53,360
Speaker 1: winning starter in this league. I don't know how you

1120
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:57,919
Speaker 1: pass him up, but you know, you got Cleveland from

1121
00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:01,960
Speaker 1: Boise State to tackle. I think, uh, that would fill

1122
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:04,920
Speaker 1: a big need. And he's a pretty highly rated guy.

1123
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:07,600
Speaker 1: And there's a several receivers they might be picking from,

1124
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:13,560
Speaker 1: with Ayuk and h mems and and Reagor among among others. Alright,

1125
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 1: so Pete, let's let's make the pick here. Who do

1126
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:18,560
Speaker 1: you select for the Packers at pick number thirty in

1127
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:22,520
Speaker 1: the two thousand and twenty Giants Huddlenock Draft. Yeah, I'm

1128
00:58:22,560 --> 00:58:24,400
Speaker 1: you know, part of me has really attempted to go

1129
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:27,120
Speaker 1: with Love, but I just I still don't see him

1130
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:30,120
Speaker 1: pulling the trigger around the quarterback quite yet. I think

1131
00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:33,040
Speaker 1: that's a year or two away. Um, so I'm going

1132
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:36,920
Speaker 1: to go with Brandon Ayuk, the receiver from Arizona State.

1133
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:40,040
Speaker 1: He's a really dynamic guy. They've got a huge receiving corps.

1134
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:42,400
Speaker 1: As far as just physical size, this guy is a

1135
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:47,960
Speaker 1: little smaller, but he's way more dynamic than anybody they've got. So, um,

1136
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:50,120
Speaker 1: that's why I'm gonna go with. That's my best guests

1137
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:54,160
Speaker 1: on what they would do if with this scenario that, uh,

1138
00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:57,240
Speaker 1: with the way the draft is falling for for your draft,

1139
00:58:57,400 --> 00:58:59,520
Speaker 1: who you think would be the next wide receiver up

1140
00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:01,240
Speaker 1: after I you from the guys that are left, as

1141
00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:02,640
Speaker 1: you mentioned, a lot of the guys left, A big guys,

1142
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:05,360
Speaker 1: right like Tee Higgins and and and and Michael Pittman

1143
00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:08,400
Speaker 1: and guys like that. Yeah, And I don't think, you know,

1144
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:11,040
Speaker 1: they've got so many big receivers. Their whole core is huge,

1145
00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:13,600
Speaker 1: So I I'm just not convinced that they would add

1146
00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:16,320
Speaker 1: another guy like that. They've already got five guys six

1147
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:20,400
Speaker 1: core taller. Yeah, they do. They could put on a

1148
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:23,640
Speaker 1: you know, a really good college basketball team with us.

1149
00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:26,200
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's amazing that the good Acouster g

1150
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:30,520
Speaker 1: I'm just obviously really loves big receivers. What's a big

1151
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:35,920
Speaker 1: catch radius? Um, But I'm thinking, you know, uh, maybe Reager.

1152
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:38,280
Speaker 1: You know, he's a really explosive player. I could see

1153
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:40,960
Speaker 1: him being the kind of guy who they might be

1154
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:43,440
Speaker 1: able to get up. They trade down five or six spots,

1155
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:45,560
Speaker 1: they might still be able to get him in the

1156
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:48,760
Speaker 1: in the low thirties. Pete. Awesome stuff, my friend. I

1157
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:51,200
Speaker 1: really appreciate the time stay safe out there. Hope you

1158
00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:53,080
Speaker 1: and your family you're good and we'll talk to you

1159
00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:55,400
Speaker 1: down the road. Enjoy the draft next week. Alright, good

1160
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:57,680
Speaker 1: luck the rest of the night. Thanks thank you to

1161
00:59:57,840 --> 01:00:00,520
Speaker 1: Pete Doherty from the Green Day Press Gazette and Packers

1162
01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:02,360
Speaker 1: News dot com. They see like Brandon and you get

1163
01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:04,360
Speaker 1: number thirty. Now we head to the west coast to

1164
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:07,200
Speaker 1: San Francisco. We welcome back in one of our double

1165
01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:10,280
Speaker 1: dippers for this year's draft, Matt Barrows from the Athletic.

1166
01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:13,680
Speaker 1: The forty Niners had to pick at overall, they selected

1167
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:16,760
Speaker 1: ceedee Lamb. Matt. Now that you've seen what's happened between

1168
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:20,080
Speaker 1: thirteen and thirty, uh do are you happy with your

1169
01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:24,760
Speaker 1: first peck? And based on what's happened since then? I am, um.

1170
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:28,160
Speaker 1: I think Ceo m is fantastic, probably the best wide

1171
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:31,000
Speaker 1: receiver in the draft. There is still a receiver that

1172
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:35,520
Speaker 1: I like a lot. Who's who's still remaining. That's Denzel

1173
01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:39,200
Speaker 1: Mims for Baylor. So if I hadn't taken the receiver

1174
01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:42,720
Speaker 1: at thirteen, I probably would have taken Mims at this spot,

1175
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:45,520
Speaker 1: number thirty one. But um, you know this is a

1176
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:47,320
Speaker 1: this is a good draft. I mean there are a

1177
01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:50,000
Speaker 1: lot of good wide receivers, a lot of good often

1178
01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:53,600
Speaker 1: to tackle, like good cornerbacks still left. So I think

1179
01:00:53,640 --> 01:00:56,320
Speaker 1: if this were the scenarios, the forty Niners would be happy,

1180
01:00:56,880 --> 01:00:58,920
Speaker 1: all right? So right now, what do you consider the

1181
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:01,280
Speaker 1: major needs after you have taken lambing And who are

1182
01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:05,200
Speaker 1: the guys you're considering right here at pick one? Yeah,

1183
01:01:05,640 --> 01:01:08,520
Speaker 1: I think the major needs are cornerback, defensive tackle, and

1184
01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:14,480
Speaker 1: offensive tackle. And UH, I would consider uh Ross Blacklock

1185
01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:19,200
Speaker 1: from from TCU a defensive tackle. I would consider Jalen

1186
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:24,000
Speaker 1: reagor uh if I if I still needed a wide receiver. Um.

1187
01:01:24,680 --> 01:01:27,360
Speaker 1: There's some cornerbacks too that I like, But I think

1188
01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:32,520
Speaker 1: there are enough cornerbacks and defensive tackles UM later in

1189
01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:34,520
Speaker 1: the draft that I would I would go for that

1190
01:01:34,560 --> 01:01:38,800
Speaker 1: big ticket item and I would draft Ezra Cleveland from

1191
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:42,360
Speaker 1: Boys in State Here. UH Joe Staley that the team's

1192
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:45,400
Speaker 1: left tackle. He's probably gonna come back this uh this

1193
01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:50,880
Speaker 1: next year, but he hasn't said that yet, so there's

1194
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:52,800
Speaker 1: a little bit of mystery in the air with him.

1195
01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:56,920
Speaker 1: And even if he did, UM, he's not going to

1196
01:01:56,960 --> 01:02:00,000
Speaker 1: be playing for very much longer. He's the longest tenure

1197
01:02:00,200 --> 01:02:03,400
Speaker 1: forty nineer on the roster, and this guy at Cleveland

1198
01:02:03,560 --> 01:02:06,080
Speaker 1: is is very Joe Staley like, he's very light on

1199
01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:10,120
Speaker 1: his feed um, and uh, I think by getting him

1200
01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:14,280
Speaker 1: at thirty one, it's sort of a nice um balance

1201
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:18,520
Speaker 1: that you get that future left tackle who may need

1202
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:21,800
Speaker 1: a year or two to develop. Man. Even if Joe

1203
01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:24,280
Speaker 1: Staley comes back, You've got this guy in the first rounds.

1204
01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:28,160
Speaker 1: That means you've effectively got him for five years. Um,

1205
01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:30,280
Speaker 1: you can use that's his year option. So I just

1206
01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:32,600
Speaker 1: think it's a it's a smart move. It's a h

1207
01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:35,720
Speaker 1: like I said, a big ticket move, a move that

1208
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:37,960
Speaker 1: looks to the future. And uh, I think that's what

1209
01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:40,919
Speaker 1: will do and they rapid fire. This is a prime

1210
01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:43,440
Speaker 1: trade down opportunity, right trying to pick up another pick

1211
01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:44,800
Speaker 1: in the next couple of rounds. I don't think the

1212
01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:46,919
Speaker 1: Niners picked the one round five after this or four,

1213
01:02:47,720 --> 01:02:50,880
Speaker 1: that's right, No, not not until round five. And so yeah,

1214
01:02:50,920 --> 01:02:53,600
Speaker 1: I mean they have looked very closely at a lot

1215
01:02:53,640 --> 01:02:56,640
Speaker 1: of guys who are going to be picked in the second, third,

1216
01:02:56,640 --> 01:02:59,720
Speaker 1: and fourth rounds, and so I think that they expect

1217
01:02:59,720 --> 01:03:02,480
Speaker 1: to raid one of those two. I's not both of

1218
01:03:02,560 --> 01:03:06,280
Speaker 1: those first round picks and do with the Seattle Seahawks

1219
01:03:06,280 --> 01:03:08,840
Speaker 1: did last year, which is just recoup a lot of

1220
01:03:08,840 --> 01:03:11,480
Speaker 1: those mid mid round types of picks. And I think

1221
01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:14,840
Speaker 1: that frankly besro Cleveland would be a mechanism to do that.

1222
01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:17,200
Speaker 1: I think there are some of these teams that didn't

1223
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:20,360
Speaker 1: pick an offensive tackle early in the UH, you know,

1224
01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:23,360
Speaker 1: in the top ten UH would want to double zip

1225
01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:26,800
Speaker 1: and and hit that position again. So I think that

1226
01:03:26,840 --> 01:03:30,000
Speaker 1: would be a way for the fourteen Understry trade back

1227
01:03:30,120 --> 01:03:34,160
Speaker 1: maybe five or six spots and then get an additional

1228
01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:37,000
Speaker 1: second day pick. Yeah, and the Giants picked as s

1229
01:03:37,120 --> 01:03:38,919
Speaker 1: m is at four, they pick at thirty. Sex Boy,

1230
01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:40,640
Speaker 1: that seems like I could make a little bit of sense.

1231
01:03:40,640 --> 01:03:43,040
Speaker 1: We'll see what happens. Matt. We really appreciate the time, man,

1232
01:03:43,080 --> 01:03:46,640
Speaker 1: thanks so much. Be safe, alright, thank you. We think

1233
01:03:46,680 --> 01:03:49,120
Speaker 1: Matt Barrows covers the forty nine is for the athletic.

1234
01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:51,320
Speaker 1: You go from the NFC West up to the a

1235
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:54,960
Speaker 1: f C West and the two thousand and nineteen Slash

1236
01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:59,560
Speaker 1: twenty Super Bowl champion Kansas City Chiefs. Matt Derek a

1237
01:03:59,680 --> 01:04:02,840
Speaker 1: cover them for Chiefs Digest. Matt, thanks for being with

1238
01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:06,800
Speaker 1: us today. Obviously can't feel any better picking the number

1239
01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:08,720
Speaker 1: thirty two in the draft. The Chiefs coming off the

1240
01:04:08,760 --> 01:04:11,040
Speaker 1: Super Bowl win, what do you see as the major

1241
01:04:11,120 --> 01:04:13,840
Speaker 1: needs for a team that continues to try to solidify

1242
01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:16,680
Speaker 1: around Patrick Mahomes. Yeah, you're right. I mean, coming off

1243
01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:19,080
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl championship, you should have a team that

1244
01:04:19,120 --> 01:04:21,360
Speaker 1: doesn't have a whole lot of needs. And and that's

1245
01:04:21,360 --> 01:04:23,440
Speaker 1: where the Chiefs do find themselves. They were able to

1246
01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:25,640
Speaker 1: get a couple of off seasons signing, get some guys

1247
01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:28,400
Speaker 1: that came back from last year's squad. So don't don't

1248
01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:31,160
Speaker 1: go into this draft with the necessarily a need for

1249
01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:34,600
Speaker 1: an immediate starter in But there's a couple of position

1250
01:04:34,600 --> 01:04:37,040
Speaker 1: groups that they definitely seem to be looking at. UM.

1251
01:04:37,120 --> 01:04:40,000
Speaker 1: Authentic line is one. There's a that's a group that

1252
01:04:40,040 --> 01:04:42,200
Speaker 1: they think that there's a lot of depths at UM.

1253
01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:44,880
Speaker 1: Same thing with the cornerback position that do think there's

1254
01:04:44,920 --> 01:04:48,200
Speaker 1: some depth there. And linebacker. They're looking for some guys

1255
01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:50,160
Speaker 1: who can who can cover out of the back, can

1256
01:04:50,200 --> 01:04:53,680
Speaker 1: cover and help them out, especially with their nickel defense

1257
01:04:53,680 --> 01:04:55,240
Speaker 1: that they love to play. They'd like to have a

1258
01:04:55,240 --> 01:04:58,760
Speaker 1: coverage linebacker, somebody who can work in space. You think

1259
01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:01,360
Speaker 1: a trade up or each trade down would be more

1260
01:05:01,440 --> 01:05:05,400
Speaker 1: likely for the Chiefs of thirty two. Well, with five

1261
01:05:05,480 --> 01:05:07,960
Speaker 1: draft picks and insures draft, they would definitely like to

1262
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:10,919
Speaker 1: have some more capital, and so I think of any

1263
01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:13,520
Speaker 1: scenario that's out they're moving down is the most likely.

1264
01:05:14,040 --> 01:05:16,480
Speaker 1: And Brett Beach is a general manager, doesn't like to

1265
01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:18,600
Speaker 1: stand pat and he said before in the past that

1266
01:05:18,680 --> 01:05:21,600
Speaker 1: when he goes through his mock scenarios with his personnel group,

1267
01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:24,640
Speaker 1: they always think he's gonna move up. But this seems

1268
01:05:24,680 --> 01:05:27,760
Speaker 1: like the best scenario for them to probably move backwards,

1269
01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:31,280
Speaker 1: especially if if someone falls to that number thirty two spot,

1270
01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:34,080
Speaker 1: where someone at the top of the second round might

1271
01:05:34,120 --> 01:05:36,160
Speaker 1: be wanting to make sure that they can jump up there.

1272
01:05:36,800 --> 01:05:38,919
Speaker 1: Get a guy, you know with a number thirty two

1273
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:40,880
Speaker 1: with the you know, they can keep a fifth year option.

1274
01:05:40,960 --> 01:05:44,240
Speaker 1: There's a lot of value there. So uh, certainly, if

1275
01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:46,360
Speaker 1: someone drops late in the first round, and to think

1276
01:05:46,440 --> 01:05:48,240
Speaker 1: Chiefs think that there's a need to go up and

1277
01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:50,920
Speaker 1: maybe move five spots, they're not afraid to do that.

1278
01:05:51,160 --> 01:05:53,920
Speaker 1: But I think of all the scenarios out there, then

1279
01:05:53,960 --> 01:05:56,840
Speaker 1: picking at thirty two is probably pretty slim, and I

1280
01:05:56,880 --> 01:05:59,600
Speaker 1: think there's a really good chance they move backwards. So, Matt,

1281
01:05:59,640 --> 01:06:01,800
Speaker 1: based on what's happened in this draft, then you must

1282
01:06:01,800 --> 01:06:04,200
Speaker 1: not be too happy because you wanted you said, either

1283
01:06:04,240 --> 01:06:06,920
Speaker 1: an offensive tackle and you take a look in seven

1284
01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:09,720
Speaker 1: or off the board already at pick number thirty two,

1285
01:06:09,720 --> 01:06:12,960
Speaker 1: Ezra Cleveland the most recent one cornerback. There was a

1286
01:06:13,040 --> 01:06:14,880
Speaker 1: run on those players early on in the draft. Not

1287
01:06:14,920 --> 01:06:16,680
Speaker 1: a ton left there though there was one player that

1288
01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:18,520
Speaker 1: might stand out like a sore thumb at this point,

1289
01:06:18,760 --> 01:06:20,760
Speaker 1: and then the top three linebackers are all gone. So

1290
01:06:20,960 --> 01:06:23,440
Speaker 1: make your pick thirty second overall selection, final pick in

1291
01:06:23,440 --> 01:06:25,920
Speaker 1: the first round in the Giants Huddle mock draft, who

1292
01:06:25,920 --> 01:06:29,760
Speaker 1: do the Chiefs select. There's one great scenario, which is

1293
01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:31,920
Speaker 1: that Jordan's love is still there, and if the Chiefs

1294
01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:34,480
Speaker 1: can find a buyer for Jordan's love, I think they're

1295
01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:36,640
Speaker 1: going to trade out of this spot. But if they

1296
01:06:36,640 --> 01:06:38,800
Speaker 1: stick at thirty two, with the options that are out there,

1297
01:06:38,800 --> 01:06:40,840
Speaker 1: and you're right there, a lot of positions are picked over,

1298
01:06:41,560 --> 01:06:43,800
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna go with Lloyd Cushionberry from l

1299
01:06:43,880 --> 01:06:46,440
Speaker 1: s U. They need in terrier line help. That's the

1300
01:06:46,480 --> 01:06:49,160
Speaker 1: one weakness on the offensive line where they really needs

1301
01:06:49,160 --> 01:06:51,560
Speaker 1: some support inside um that's the kind of guy that

1302
01:06:51,600 --> 01:06:55,000
Speaker 1: could come in and start immediately. And that's one position

1303
01:06:55,120 --> 01:06:57,800
Speaker 1: group that inter your offensive line that they need to

1304
01:06:57,800 --> 01:07:00,400
Speaker 1: provide more help for Patrick Mahomes. You all that in

1305
01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:02,800
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. So I think interior AUF empty line

1306
01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:05,480
Speaker 1: the big need and that would be a great gift.

1307
01:07:05,520 --> 01:07:08,880
Speaker 1: Forty two very interesting. I know some people have mocked

1308
01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:11,400
Speaker 1: a running back to the Chiefs at this pick. Is

1309
01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:13,840
Speaker 1: that a situation where if you trade down, you pick

1310
01:07:13,960 --> 01:07:15,560
Speaker 1: up a couple of extra picks in the middle rounds,

1311
01:07:15,560 --> 01:07:19,240
Speaker 1: that's where you might hunt that running back. Absolutely, you

1312
01:07:19,240 --> 01:07:21,320
Speaker 1: know there are some running backs there that are available,

1313
01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:23,360
Speaker 1: But I think that the Chiefs are in that camp that,

1314
01:07:23,520 --> 01:07:25,320
Speaker 1: you know, they believe that running back is the position

1315
01:07:25,360 --> 01:07:27,920
Speaker 1: that you can find guys deeper in the draft. And okay,

1316
01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:30,160
Speaker 1: some point, I mean every rhyme running back on the

1317
01:07:30,160 --> 01:07:32,600
Speaker 1: board is still out there. So I think they definitely

1318
01:07:32,600 --> 01:07:34,400
Speaker 1: feel if that's the need that they could move back.

1319
01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:36,720
Speaker 1: They do like the stable they have. They've got a

1320
01:07:36,720 --> 01:07:38,280
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of guys that got the numbers

1321
01:07:38,320 --> 01:07:41,320
Speaker 1: back there, led by Damian Williams, so they don't feel

1322
01:07:41,320 --> 01:07:44,080
Speaker 1: that that's a huge need. But there's as as the

1323
01:07:44,160 --> 01:07:46,600
Speaker 1: Crame Hunts selection a couple of years ago showed you

1324
01:07:46,640 --> 01:07:48,680
Speaker 1: can find great value in the second, third, and fourth

1325
01:07:48,760 --> 01:07:52,880
Speaker 1: rounds of that spot. Absolutely, Matt Derek from the Chief's Digests,

1326
01:07:52,920 --> 01:07:55,040
Speaker 1: we appreciate the time, my friends. Stay safe out there.

1327
01:07:55,080 --> 01:07:56,600
Speaker 1: We'll talk to you down the road and enjoy the

1328
01:07:56,680 --> 01:07:59,280
Speaker 1: draft on Thursday night. Thanks a lot, take care. We

1329
01:07:59,400 --> 01:08:01,680
Speaker 1: say thank you. Have met Derek from Chiefs Digests for

1330
01:08:01,800 --> 01:08:03,640
Speaker 1: making the pick for the Chiefs to close out our

1331
01:08:03,640 --> 01:08:05,800
Speaker 1: first round. Now we're gonna do a few picks here

1332
01:08:05,800 --> 01:08:07,640
Speaker 1: and round number two before we get to the Giants

1333
01:08:07,640 --> 01:08:10,240
Speaker 1: at thirty six. And the Bengals leadoff round number two

1334
01:08:10,320 --> 01:08:11,920
Speaker 1: the same way they let off the draft when they

1335
01:08:11,920 --> 01:08:14,280
Speaker 1: selected Joe Burrow. Rejoining us play by play man for

1336
01:08:14,280 --> 01:08:17,400
Speaker 1: the Cincinnati Bengals on the radio, that is Dan Horde. Dan,

1337
01:08:17,520 --> 01:08:19,640
Speaker 1: your thoughts on picks one through thirty two. I know

1338
01:08:19,720 --> 01:08:22,040
Speaker 1: it's real tough to kind of think about and predict

1339
01:08:22,120 --> 01:08:24,479
Speaker 1: what might happen in an entire round. That's what you

1340
01:08:24,560 --> 01:08:26,200
Speaker 1: kind of have to do when you think about round

1341
01:08:26,280 --> 01:08:28,400
Speaker 1: number two. Did it go about the way you thought

1342
01:08:28,439 --> 01:08:31,559
Speaker 1: it would or is any surprises um you think sitting

1343
01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:34,280
Speaker 1: for you here at number thirty three. Well, they are

1344
01:08:34,280 --> 01:08:37,160
Speaker 1: a handful of guys that I thought might be gone,

1345
01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:40,439
Speaker 1: might be gone. Excuse me, but the Patriots and the

1346
01:08:40,520 --> 01:08:43,519
Speaker 1: Saints broke my heart when they selected Kenneth Murray and

1347
01:08:43,520 --> 01:08:46,439
Speaker 1: Patrick Queen back to back at twenty three and twenty four.

1348
01:08:46,880 --> 01:08:49,839
Speaker 1: Those are the two guys that the Bengals are hoping

1349
01:08:50,280 --> 01:08:52,920
Speaker 1: slide somehow slide through the first round and make it

1350
01:08:52,920 --> 01:08:56,080
Speaker 1: to the top of a round two. So not necessarily

1351
01:08:56,240 --> 01:08:58,720
Speaker 1: thinking that's going to happen, but certainly hoped it might

1352
01:08:58,880 --> 01:09:01,720
Speaker 1: and it didn't. So that scrambles the plan a little

1353
01:09:01,760 --> 01:09:03,720
Speaker 1: bit for Cincinnati. So what are their needs? Are you

1354
01:09:03,800 --> 01:09:05,960
Speaker 1: looking at for the Bengals here? As now they try

1355
01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:10,760
Speaker 1: to build around Joe Burrow. Well, the biggest need is linebacker,

1356
01:09:10,800 --> 01:09:12,920
Speaker 1: which is why they wanted one of those two guys.

1357
01:09:12,960 --> 01:09:16,920
Speaker 1: If either slid and now the pickings at linebacker become

1358
01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:19,800
Speaker 1: a lot thinner, You've still got some decent players there,

1359
01:09:19,800 --> 01:09:23,600
Speaker 1: but they are guys that have a definite strength and

1360
01:09:23,640 --> 01:09:27,400
Speaker 1: a definite weakness, whereas Murray and Queen are more well rounded.

1361
01:09:27,760 --> 01:09:29,720
Speaker 1: So now the Bengals have to decide, all right, do

1362
01:09:29,800 --> 01:09:32,240
Speaker 1: you take a linebacker at a position of feed even

1363
01:09:32,320 --> 01:09:36,080
Speaker 1: though he might not be a great three down guy.

1364
01:09:36,200 --> 01:09:38,600
Speaker 1: Do you take a different player because maybe he's the

1365
01:09:38,640 --> 01:09:41,240
Speaker 1: highest player on your board, or do you see if

1366
01:09:41,240 --> 01:09:44,720
Speaker 1: there's a trade partner to move down. Honestly, if they're

1367
01:09:44,720 --> 01:09:47,599
Speaker 1: an opportunity to make a trade here where the Bengals

1368
01:09:47,600 --> 01:09:51,120
Speaker 1: would still get a second round pick and somebody else's third,

1369
01:09:51,160 --> 01:09:53,200
Speaker 1: I think they would hop on it because they only

1370
01:09:53,200 --> 01:09:55,679
Speaker 1: have one pick in every round, and they definitely would

1371
01:09:55,720 --> 01:09:58,280
Speaker 1: like to have more than seven picks in this draft.

1372
01:09:58,680 --> 01:10:01,280
Speaker 1: So if there's a trading partner that's willing to give

1373
01:10:01,360 --> 01:10:03,040
Speaker 1: up a third round pick to move up to the

1374
01:10:03,080 --> 01:10:05,960
Speaker 1: top of round two, U there are quarterbacks that are

1375
01:10:05,960 --> 01:10:08,519
Speaker 1: still on the board and intrigue people. Maybe there's a

1376
01:10:08,600 --> 01:10:11,800
Speaker 1: quarterback needy team that will do that. So that would

1377
01:10:11,840 --> 01:10:15,120
Speaker 1: be the number one objective for Cincinnati. But we'll see

1378
01:10:15,120 --> 01:10:17,400
Speaker 1: if there's a trade partner that's interested. Would a wide

1379
01:10:17,400 --> 01:10:20,360
Speaker 1: receiver be an option here? Only five have gone off

1380
01:10:20,400 --> 01:10:22,439
Speaker 1: the board in a pretty deep class A J Green

1381
01:10:22,479 --> 01:10:24,800
Speaker 1: obviously they franchised them. Who knows what that's going to

1382
01:10:24,880 --> 01:10:27,559
Speaker 1: be long term. Dan, you have Tyler Boyd there already,

1383
01:10:27,560 --> 01:10:29,880
Speaker 1: who's a very solid wide receiver, and he thought to

1384
01:10:29,920 --> 01:10:31,960
Speaker 1: go in just wide receiver hid because that could very

1385
01:10:31,960 --> 01:10:34,920
Speaker 1: well be the best player on the board. Very possible

1386
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:37,439
Speaker 1: because of two guys that are still there that we're

1387
01:10:37,479 --> 01:10:40,559
Speaker 1: not taking in the first round, Denzel Mims out of

1388
01:10:40,560 --> 01:10:43,800
Speaker 1: Baylor and Laviscus n Alt out of Colorado, both their

1389
01:10:43,840 --> 01:10:46,840
Speaker 1: first round talents. I think both are guys that will

1390
01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:50,639
Speaker 1: have first round grades on the Bengals board. Mims probably

1391
01:10:50,720 --> 01:10:52,760
Speaker 1: is a little bit of a better fit. He's more

1392
01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:55,880
Speaker 1: of an outside guy, kind of a poor man's a

1393
01:10:56,040 --> 01:10:59,320
Speaker 1: J Green and terms of his body type, and certainly

1394
01:10:59,360 --> 01:11:03,760
Speaker 1: had a tremendous career at Baylor. But there are so

1395
01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:07,000
Speaker 1: many wide receivers in this draft you be able to

1396
01:11:07,040 --> 01:11:08,960
Speaker 1: get a good one in the third, in the fourth,

1397
01:11:09,320 --> 01:11:11,400
Speaker 1: I mean, you could take a couple of wide receivers

1398
01:11:11,400 --> 01:11:14,320
Speaker 1: still before this draft is finished, and I don't know

1399
01:11:14,560 --> 01:11:16,240
Speaker 1: if I want to take one at the top of

1400
01:11:16,240 --> 01:11:19,480
Speaker 1: the second round when there's just such a glut still available.

1401
01:11:19,479 --> 01:11:21,920
Speaker 1: All right, So then let's make the pick, assuming you

1402
01:11:21,920 --> 01:11:24,320
Speaker 1: cannot trade down, which unfortunately are the rules that we're

1403
01:11:24,360 --> 01:11:27,120
Speaker 1: dealing because, by the way, nearly every team in the

1404
01:11:27,200 --> 01:11:34,360
Speaker 1: last i'd say probably since pick almost twenty or twenty one,

1405
01:11:34,479 --> 01:11:37,200
Speaker 1: aside from the Patriots and the Saints have basically said

1406
01:11:37,200 --> 01:11:39,160
Speaker 1: they would like to trade down if they could, so

1407
01:11:39,240 --> 01:11:41,960
Speaker 1: you are not alone in wishing for a trade down.

1408
01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:44,360
Speaker 1: Who do The Bengals selected thirty third overall, the first

1409
01:11:44,400 --> 01:11:47,639
Speaker 1: pick and round number two in the Giants Huddle mock Draft.

1410
01:11:48,360 --> 01:11:54,160
Speaker 1: The Bengals will select Wisconsin linebackers slash edge player Zach

1411
01:11:54,280 --> 01:11:57,920
Speaker 1: Bond six two two d, thirty eight pounds, First team

1412
01:11:57,920 --> 01:12:00,839
Speaker 1: All American last year, twelve and a half Zack's nineteen

1413
01:12:00,880 --> 01:12:04,839
Speaker 1: and a half tackles for loss. They addressed the linebacker position,

1414
01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:08,919
Speaker 1: albeit with a guy that doesn't have the past coverage

1415
01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:11,920
Speaker 1: skills they would not ideally like to have at that position,

1416
01:12:12,479 --> 01:12:15,960
Speaker 1: but a tremendous pass rusher and hopefully athletic enough that

1417
01:12:16,080 --> 01:12:18,559
Speaker 1: he can improve as a pass defender. Well, you just

1418
01:12:18,600 --> 01:12:20,719
Speaker 1: broke the hearts of some Giant fans who are hoping

1419
01:12:20,760 --> 01:12:23,400
Speaker 1: he might be that exact type of linebacker for them

1420
01:12:23,400 --> 01:12:26,120
Speaker 1: at number thirty six. If they go offensive tackle in

1421
01:12:26,160 --> 01:12:28,439
Speaker 1: the first round in this draft, they didn't, so not

1422
01:12:28,479 --> 01:12:31,120
Speaker 1: necessarily a need. But if they go offensive tackle at four,

1423
01:12:31,160 --> 01:12:33,479
Speaker 1: that could be a player the Giants uh target at

1424
01:12:33,520 --> 01:12:35,920
Speaker 1: thirty six. Dan, we really appreciated my friend. Thanks so much.

1425
01:12:35,920 --> 01:12:37,800
Speaker 1: We'll talk to you down the road. It was fun.

1426
01:12:37,840 --> 01:12:40,120
Speaker 1: Thanks John. We thank Dan Horde, played by a play

1427
01:12:40,200 --> 01:12:42,360
Speaker 1: man for the Bengals. They select Zack Baond with the

1428
01:12:42,400 --> 01:12:44,679
Speaker 1: first pick in the second round of thirty third overall.

1429
01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:47,160
Speaker 1: Next up a team we're hearing from from the first

1430
01:12:47,200 --> 01:12:51,080
Speaker 1: time today, the Indianapolis Colts making their selection at pick

1431
01:12:51,240 --> 01:12:53,439
Speaker 1: number thirty four, which they acquired in a trade with

1432
01:12:53,479 --> 01:12:55,519
Speaker 1: the Redskins last year, and they move up for Montez

1433
01:12:55,560 --> 01:12:58,879
Speaker 1: Sweat is Stephen Holder who covers them for the Athletic

1434
01:12:58,920 --> 01:13:01,760
Speaker 1: Steven We appreciate a time here. Obviously the Colts are

1435
01:13:01,760 --> 01:13:04,679
Speaker 1: gonna be waiting a long time to make this first pick,

1436
01:13:05,240 --> 01:13:07,920
Speaker 1: or are they. Do you see a potential trade up here,

1437
01:13:07,960 --> 01:13:10,160
Speaker 1: maybe for the Colts to find somebody that plays a

1438
01:13:10,200 --> 01:13:15,400
Speaker 1: certain key position. Well, I think it's interesting that's always

1439
01:13:15,439 --> 01:13:18,080
Speaker 1: on the table. They have two second round picks, so

1440
01:13:18,120 --> 01:13:20,640
Speaker 1: they have the ammunition to do it and listen to

1441
01:13:20,640 --> 01:13:23,600
Speaker 1: the one position where you'd be interested in doing that

1442
01:13:23,640 --> 01:13:26,479
Speaker 1: at his quarterback. And I just think Jordan's love being

1443
01:13:26,479 --> 01:13:29,280
Speaker 1: on the board is really interesting to me. Look, you know,

1444
01:13:29,560 --> 01:13:32,280
Speaker 1: as the Colts still had their number thirteen pick, which

1445
01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:34,680
Speaker 1: they traded. I don't know that he would be the

1446
01:13:34,680 --> 01:13:38,519
Speaker 1: pick at thirteen, but at thirty four you gotta If

1447
01:13:38,560 --> 01:13:41,719
Speaker 1: he's sliding towards thirty four, you gotta start thinking about

1448
01:13:41,720 --> 01:13:45,120
Speaker 1: it at that point. I mean, the potential potential franchise

1449
01:13:45,240 --> 01:13:47,639
Speaker 1: quarterback when you've got a thirty eight year old starter

1450
01:13:47,760 --> 01:13:49,960
Speaker 1: in Philip Rivers, I mean, that just makes a lot

1451
01:13:49,960 --> 01:13:53,280
Speaker 1: of sense. Now. I think the cold Jordan love polarizing

1452
01:13:53,360 --> 01:13:55,920
Speaker 1: might actually be an understatement. There are some people that

1453
01:13:56,000 --> 01:13:58,919
Speaker 1: and then love him. Obviously, he has all the physical

1454
01:13:59,000 --> 01:14:01,400
Speaker 1: tools that you would want to a quarterback, but there's

1455
01:14:01,400 --> 01:14:03,519
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff not to like to depending on

1456
01:14:03,560 --> 01:14:05,639
Speaker 1: who you talk to. So do you have a feel

1457
01:14:05,680 --> 01:14:07,880
Speaker 1: for how much the Colt's value in because it's great

1458
01:14:07,880 --> 01:14:09,600
Speaker 1: to say this guy could be a starting quarterback, but

1459
01:14:09,600 --> 01:14:11,240
Speaker 1: you also don't want to use a second round pick

1460
01:14:11,840 --> 01:14:13,639
Speaker 1: on a quarterback that you have to dedicate a few

1461
01:14:13,720 --> 01:14:17,360
Speaker 1: years too, and then that could potentially set the franchise back. Yeah,

1462
01:14:17,680 --> 01:14:19,280
Speaker 1: that's the thing, You're you hit it on the head.

1463
01:14:19,479 --> 01:14:22,360
Speaker 1: He is sort of your classic boom er bust guy,

1464
01:14:22,800 --> 01:14:25,760
Speaker 1: I really think, because he does make some mistakes and

1465
01:14:26,000 --> 01:14:28,800
Speaker 1: he's going into a league where those mistakes they will

1466
01:14:28,800 --> 01:14:32,160
Speaker 1: make you pay for those on defense, and he's gonna

1467
01:14:32,240 --> 01:14:34,559
Speaker 1: have to play a cleaner brand of football to play

1468
01:14:34,600 --> 01:14:36,559
Speaker 1: in the NFL and succeed in the NFL. But he's

1469
01:14:36,560 --> 01:14:40,240
Speaker 1: got a skill set that very few guys have. So

1470
01:14:40,600 --> 01:14:43,200
Speaker 1: you know, the question there is who is he and

1471
01:14:43,240 --> 01:14:45,639
Speaker 1: what's he going to be? And that's just such such

1472
01:14:45,680 --> 01:14:48,599
Speaker 1: a really hard question. But I do think the upside

1473
01:14:48,680 --> 01:14:51,120
Speaker 1: is so high. I will say this, the Colts are

1474
01:14:51,120 --> 01:14:55,040
Speaker 1: really intrigued by him, and I think just the the

1475
01:14:55,080 --> 01:14:58,599
Speaker 1: skill set that he has. Uh, the strengths are so

1476
01:14:58,680 --> 01:15:02,280
Speaker 1: obvious that might be worth the chance or worth taking

1477
01:15:02,280 --> 01:15:04,639
Speaker 1: the chance for them. So he would be a really

1478
01:15:04,680 --> 01:15:07,400
Speaker 1: interesting prospect for the Colts. Uh, they have to address

1479
01:15:07,439 --> 01:15:10,320
Speaker 1: their quarterback situation in the very near future, all right,

1480
01:15:10,400 --> 01:15:12,160
Speaker 1: before we make the pick, officials, I think I know

1481
01:15:12,160 --> 01:15:15,280
Speaker 1: where you're leaning at this point. If Jordan Loves not

1482
01:15:15,400 --> 01:15:17,479
Speaker 1: on the board, or they failed to trade up to

1483
01:15:17,640 --> 01:15:20,240
Speaker 1: select him or another quarterback, what other positions do you

1484
01:15:20,280 --> 01:15:24,479
Speaker 1: think are a real big position of need for the Colts, Stephen,

1485
01:15:24,520 --> 01:15:27,040
Speaker 1: Because really they're an excellent team with Philip Rivers. I'm

1486
01:15:27,040 --> 01:15:28,840
Speaker 1: sure they're thinking we can try to make a run

1487
01:15:28,920 --> 01:15:31,840
Speaker 1: here with Tom Brady, out of the a f C. No,

1488
01:15:32,040 --> 01:15:34,280
Speaker 1: that's exactly right. I mean the trade they made with

1489
01:15:35,200 --> 01:15:38,639
Speaker 1: San Francisco for the Forest Buckner. Look, they really think that,

1490
01:15:39,080 --> 01:15:41,439
Speaker 1: uh they I'm not saying they think they're a super

1491
01:15:41,439 --> 01:15:43,760
Speaker 1: Bowl team, but they do think they aren't that far

1492
01:15:43,800 --> 01:15:47,160
Speaker 1: away from really being a team. That that makes some noise,

1493
01:15:47,240 --> 01:15:49,960
Speaker 1: So I agree with you. And then I would say

1494
01:15:50,160 --> 01:15:53,240
Speaker 1: one position where I think last year it really was

1495
01:15:53,280 --> 01:15:55,000
Speaker 1: an issue for the Colts late in the season because

1496
01:15:55,000 --> 01:15:57,439
Speaker 1: of injuries and just because of overall lack of performance.

1497
01:15:57,439 --> 01:16:00,200
Speaker 1: It was wide receiver, no question, and this is a

1498
01:16:00,240 --> 01:16:02,760
Speaker 1: great draft for them to have that need. They're gonna

1499
01:16:02,760 --> 01:16:04,360
Speaker 1: be able to address that need. So I think you

1500
01:16:04,400 --> 01:16:08,920
Speaker 1: know you're talking Denzil MEM's you're talking uh, certainly guys

1501
01:16:09,000 --> 01:16:14,479
Speaker 1: like uh uh, tons of guys in that that first round,

1502
01:16:14,560 --> 01:16:17,639
Speaker 1: late first round, in early second round, uh, sort of

1503
01:16:17,720 --> 01:16:19,880
Speaker 1: Regent T Higgins and guys like that. So I mean,

1504
01:16:19,880 --> 01:16:22,960
Speaker 1: they're gonna have tons of choices even into the third round.

1505
01:16:23,240 --> 01:16:25,720
Speaker 1: But uh, wide receiver would be one, and then the

1506
01:16:25,800 --> 01:16:29,120
Speaker 1: other is always going to be pass rusher just because

1507
01:16:29,160 --> 01:16:31,120
Speaker 1: that's always a need. But obviously that is not a

1508
01:16:31,240 --> 01:16:33,400
Speaker 1: deeper position in this draft. So that may be a

1509
01:16:33,400 --> 01:16:36,439
Speaker 1: tougher UH job to pull off a Steven make the

1510
01:16:36,479 --> 01:16:40,160
Speaker 1: selection the Colts overall second pick in round number two

1511
01:16:40,200 --> 01:16:43,200
Speaker 1: from the Washington Redskins and Giants on a mock draft,

1512
01:16:43,240 --> 01:16:46,080
Speaker 1: who do you believe the Colts would select in this position?

1513
01:16:47,160 --> 01:16:48,760
Speaker 1: So you know what I'm going for it. I'm gonna

1514
01:16:48,840 --> 01:16:52,519
Speaker 1: go with Jordan's Love. I just think the certainly are

1515
01:16:52,560 --> 01:16:55,880
Speaker 1: rolling the dice, but the payoffs, the potential payoff is

1516
01:16:55,880 --> 01:16:59,040
Speaker 1: so high that for the Colts it's worth it. And

1517
01:16:59,479 --> 01:17:01,280
Speaker 1: I just think it. He could be a guy who

1518
01:17:01,439 --> 01:17:03,679
Speaker 1: could be dynamic for a team for years to come.

1519
01:17:04,160 --> 01:17:06,360
Speaker 1: And if you're wrong, you're wrong. But if you get

1520
01:17:06,400 --> 01:17:08,639
Speaker 1: it right with this guy, the playoff is gonna be huge.

1521
01:17:08,640 --> 01:17:13,040
Speaker 1: So uh, Colts certainly the long term quarterback. Given Andrew

1522
01:17:13,120 --> 01:17:15,879
Speaker 1: lux decision, this would be a great choice with him. Steven,

1523
01:17:15,880 --> 01:17:19,160
Speaker 1: excellent stuff, my friend. Really appreciate the time. Stay safe

1524
01:17:19,160 --> 01:17:21,400
Speaker 1: and we'll talk to you down the road. Enjoy the draft. Hey,

1525
01:17:21,400 --> 01:17:23,280
Speaker 1: thanks for having me. All right, we're up to pick

1526
01:17:23,360 --> 01:17:26,320
Speaker 1: number thirty five. We thank Stephen Holder from the Athletic

1527
01:17:26,400 --> 01:17:29,879
Speaker 1: for selecting Jordan's Love to the Colts at thirty fourth overall,

1528
01:17:30,200 --> 01:17:34,120
Speaker 1: the third picking round number two belongs to Detroit Lions.

1529
01:17:34,360 --> 01:17:36,960
Speaker 1: We welcome back in Jeff Risden, who is the editor

1530
01:17:37,040 --> 01:17:39,720
Speaker 1: of the Lions Wire. And there's a lot of work

1531
01:17:39,720 --> 01:17:41,800
Speaker 1: on the draft too, So I'll ask you some draft

1532
01:17:41,840 --> 01:17:44,920
Speaker 1: question Jeff, after we get your pick, but let's start here.

1533
01:17:45,160 --> 01:17:47,040
Speaker 1: You've done a lot of work on this draft. What

1534
01:17:47,120 --> 01:17:50,160
Speaker 1: are the big surprises for you from picks one through

1535
01:17:50,200 --> 01:17:53,040
Speaker 1: thirty four. I think I was a little surprised at

1536
01:17:53,080 --> 01:17:56,360
Speaker 1: how quickly the offensive lineman all went, uh, and not

1537
01:17:56,479 --> 01:17:58,439
Speaker 1: necessarily just the first year, but the group after that.

1538
01:17:58,520 --> 01:18:01,760
Speaker 1: To the guys like Austin Jackson and Ezra Cleveland, I

1539
01:18:01,760 --> 01:18:03,960
Speaker 1: thought they might follow a little bit further than they did. Uh,

1540
01:18:04,000 --> 01:18:05,960
Speaker 1: And to see them off the board already at thirty

1541
01:18:06,000 --> 01:18:08,280
Speaker 1: five is a little bit surprising. Said something that won't

1542
01:18:08,280 --> 01:18:11,560
Speaker 1: happen in reality, But my goodness, it's uh, it was

1543
01:18:11,640 --> 01:18:14,320
Speaker 1: quite quite a storm on the on the offensive line there. Yeah,

1544
01:18:14,360 --> 01:18:18,400
Speaker 1: also both centers Caesar Loise and Lloyd Cushionburry done as well.

1545
01:18:19,040 --> 01:18:21,960
Speaker 1: A bunch of cornerbacks off the board, but not that

1546
01:18:22,040 --> 01:18:25,519
Speaker 1: many wide receivers only five. Yeah, and they just a

1547
01:18:25,520 --> 01:18:28,240
Speaker 1: little bit surprising. And uh, that's good for the Lions

1548
01:18:28,240 --> 01:18:30,960
Speaker 1: because they happen to new wide receivers, which probably kIPS

1549
01:18:31,000 --> 01:18:34,120
Speaker 1: forward going. Interesting, all right, but I thought you might

1550
01:18:34,160 --> 01:18:35,960
Speaker 1: go somewhere else. All right, let's talk about this first

1551
01:18:36,040 --> 01:18:38,839
Speaker 1: lines needs. What are you thinking right here after selecting

1552
01:18:38,880 --> 01:18:42,679
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Okuda at third? Overall, they either need a pass

1553
01:18:42,760 --> 01:18:45,000
Speaker 1: rusher or a wide receiver. Remember, they do not have

1554
01:18:45,080 --> 01:18:48,920
Speaker 1: a wide receiver under contract after next season, and Marvin

1555
01:18:49,000 --> 01:18:51,360
Speaker 1: Jones and Danny and Adola are both playing out there

1556
01:18:51,560 --> 01:18:53,519
Speaker 1: what will be their final years in Detroit. So they've

1557
01:18:53,560 --> 01:18:56,080
Speaker 1: got to get a long term answer in the great

1558
01:18:56,080 --> 01:18:59,519
Speaker 1: class to do that. In if Etur gross Models was there,

1559
01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:03,880
Speaker 1: he being consideration. Um, if you know so that that

1560
01:19:03,960 --> 01:19:06,240
Speaker 1: to pass rusher was still around, it would certainly be

1561
01:19:06,280 --> 01:19:10,000
Speaker 1: a consideration. But it looks like the better value here

1562
01:19:10,040 --> 01:19:12,720
Speaker 1: is the wide receiver. Interesting, how about Agia Panessa? How

1563
01:19:12,800 --> 01:19:16,800
Speaker 1: much do you consider him here, especially since he's kind

1564
01:19:16,800 --> 01:19:20,719
Speaker 1: of that power in that Matt Patricia from the Patriots

1565
01:19:20,800 --> 01:19:24,000
Speaker 1: lineage tends to like Yeah, and I like him a lot,

1566
01:19:24,080 --> 01:19:25,920
Speaker 1: And uh, if I were making the pick, I would

1567
01:19:25,920 --> 01:19:28,400
Speaker 1: make him the pick. But I'm gonna do what I

1568
01:19:28,439 --> 01:19:30,360
Speaker 1: think I'm trying to do what I think they will do.

1569
01:19:30,520 --> 01:19:31,880
Speaker 1: And I don't think that they want to do that.

1570
01:19:31,920 --> 01:19:34,280
Speaker 1: I think they'll they will find him redundant with Trey Flowers,

1571
01:19:34,320 --> 01:19:36,519
Speaker 1: who is the best player on their defense already, I

1572
01:19:36,560 --> 01:19:38,599
Speaker 1: think they will get a little bit more variety under

1573
01:19:38,600 --> 01:19:41,080
Speaker 1: their defense. Last I would hope that's what they're thinking. Anyways.

1574
01:19:41,080 --> 01:19:43,160
Speaker 1: All right, well let's let's talk about the wide receivers

1575
01:19:43,200 --> 01:19:45,360
Speaker 1: that are left. Who do you like? Who would you

1576
01:19:45,400 --> 01:19:48,120
Speaker 1: consider here and what type of wide receiver because there's

1577
01:19:48,120 --> 01:19:50,320
Speaker 1: a lot of different shapes and sizes in this class.

1578
01:19:50,479 --> 01:19:53,200
Speaker 1: Are you looking forward for the Lions? You know, I'm

1579
01:19:53,200 --> 01:19:57,120
Speaker 1: looking at the Darrell Double offense. Offensive coordinator. He typs

1580
01:19:57,160 --> 01:20:00,240
Speaker 1: prefer guys that can make contested catches, can work down

1581
01:20:00,280 --> 01:20:02,200
Speaker 1: the field and works their way back to the quarterback.

1582
01:20:02,720 --> 01:20:04,760
Speaker 1: They do to a slot receiver, somebody that can work

1583
01:20:04,800 --> 01:20:07,960
Speaker 1: the middle of the field. I think that's uh. Somebody

1584
01:20:08,000 --> 01:20:10,720
Speaker 1: that can do both of those would be high priority.

1585
01:20:10,800 --> 01:20:13,400
Speaker 1: But uh, there's a bit of a great guy like

1586
01:20:13,439 --> 01:20:17,280
Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson would be perfect here. But Alas he's gone. Yeah,

1587
01:20:17,400 --> 01:20:19,479
Speaker 1: he he made it far too, got the twenty five

1588
01:20:19,479 --> 01:20:21,320
Speaker 1: and not much further than that. And since then, Owen

1589
01:20:21,360 --> 01:20:23,840
Speaker 1: and Brandon, I you go off the board. All right, Jeff,

1590
01:20:23,880 --> 01:20:26,040
Speaker 1: so Um, I'll ask you why after you make the pick,

1591
01:20:26,400 --> 01:20:28,839
Speaker 1: who are you selecting for the lines at thirty five overall?

1592
01:20:28,840 --> 01:20:30,479
Speaker 1: And I think Johanant fans will be happy you're going

1593
01:20:30,560 --> 01:20:34,559
Speaker 1: wide receiver. Yeah, they probably are. Um and I could

1594
01:20:34,560 --> 01:20:36,240
Speaker 1: have been great too, But the way I compare him

1595
01:20:36,240 --> 01:20:38,559
Speaker 1: to Golden Tate and Lion stand still must Golden Tate,

1596
01:20:39,000 --> 01:20:40,880
Speaker 1: uh and sothers. Matthew Stafford, so that would have been

1597
01:20:40,880 --> 01:20:43,160
Speaker 1: a good one too. I'm gonna go with Denzel Mims.

1598
01:20:43,160 --> 01:20:47,920
Speaker 1: The legs here from Taylor here interesting. Any consideration to

1599
01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:51,840
Speaker 1: either Tee Higgins who was a great contested catch guy,

1600
01:20:51,920 --> 01:20:56,080
Speaker 1: Michael Pittman another contested catch guy, or your yards after

1601
01:20:56,080 --> 01:20:58,160
Speaker 1: catch guy who can play maybe some of that Golden

1602
01:20:58,160 --> 01:21:00,679
Speaker 1: Tate role in Olivisca chen Alta or you and raagor

1603
01:21:01,280 --> 01:21:04,280
Speaker 1: A lot of choices here for a wide receiver. Yeah,

1604
01:21:04,320 --> 01:21:06,800
Speaker 1: and and she is very appealing. The fact that he

1605
01:21:06,840 --> 01:21:08,840
Speaker 1: can do so many different things, he can play out

1606
01:21:08,840 --> 01:21:11,400
Speaker 1: of the backfield if heed him, I think that's what

1607
01:21:11,520 --> 01:21:14,439
Speaker 1: that's sort of diversity is hard to overlook. It's also

1608
01:21:14,520 --> 01:21:16,720
Speaker 1: tough to look past his injury history. This is the

1609
01:21:16,720 --> 01:21:19,920
Speaker 1: guy that's had a lot of little nagging injuries on

1610
01:21:19,960 --> 01:21:22,200
Speaker 1: a body that plays very physical like. But he plays

1611
01:21:22,200 --> 01:21:25,360
Speaker 1: similar to the way Inclin Bolden did. It's tough to

1612
01:21:25,439 --> 01:21:27,760
Speaker 1: keep your body in shape when when that's happening, and

1613
01:21:27,760 --> 01:21:29,559
Speaker 1: he's already had some signs of that in college. So

1614
01:21:29,920 --> 01:21:32,760
Speaker 1: I love the guy, but I can't take that risk here.

1615
01:21:32,800 --> 01:21:35,840
Speaker 1: I went with Men's um in part because they really

1616
01:21:35,840 --> 01:21:38,400
Speaker 1: click with him. At the Senior Bowl. Allions coach the

1617
01:21:38,400 --> 01:21:40,800
Speaker 1: North squad. At the Senior Bowl, he was there, he

1618
01:21:40,920 --> 01:21:43,439
Speaker 1: did very well. They seem to have good chemistry with him,

1619
01:21:43,479 --> 01:21:46,240
Speaker 1: and he showed the kind of attitude I think that

1620
01:21:46,280 --> 01:21:48,760
Speaker 1: they like to develop. He's the kind of guy that

1621
01:21:48,760 --> 01:21:51,519
Speaker 1: I think Mampatricia is going to really value. And he

1622
01:21:51,560 --> 01:21:55,479
Speaker 1: can win outside. Uh does have good speed, really good blocker.

1623
01:21:55,640 --> 01:21:57,599
Speaker 1: I think that that will also matter. That is something

1624
01:21:57,600 --> 01:22:00,000
Speaker 1: that the Lions stressed very heavily with their wide receivers.

1625
01:22:00,040 --> 01:22:04,000
Speaker 1: Flocking ability might not be the most savvy way to

1626
01:22:04,040 --> 01:22:07,479
Speaker 1: win games, but it is something that they value all right, Jeff,

1627
01:22:07,720 --> 01:22:10,320
Speaker 1: final question before we say goodbye. Now you're sitting here,

1628
01:22:10,439 --> 01:22:12,479
Speaker 1: if you if you're picking thirty six and and you're

1629
01:22:12,479 --> 01:22:15,120
Speaker 1: starting from a blank slate, no needs who do you

1630
01:22:15,160 --> 01:22:17,439
Speaker 1: think your best value players are that are left on

1631
01:22:17,479 --> 01:22:21,160
Speaker 1: the board for you? Right now? Fanessa is at the top.

1632
01:22:21,200 --> 01:22:23,519
Speaker 1: He He's a top fifteen player for me overall. I

1633
01:22:23,560 --> 01:22:26,400
Speaker 1: think it's gonna be very good. And I think he's

1634
01:22:26,439 --> 01:22:29,439
Speaker 1: got scheme versatility too. He could play outside at defensive

1635
01:22:29,439 --> 01:22:30,960
Speaker 1: and in the fourth three you can kick inside to

1636
01:22:30,960 --> 01:22:32,320
Speaker 1: a five at the three or four. He can even

1637
01:22:32,320 --> 01:22:34,559
Speaker 1: play down at a three technique if you needed to,

1638
01:22:34,600 --> 01:22:37,160
Speaker 1: and sort of a NASCAR package, so he would he

1639
01:22:37,160 --> 01:22:40,400
Speaker 1: would definitely be near the top of the list. Channel

1640
01:22:40,560 --> 01:22:44,000
Speaker 1: is up there. Um, that Reager is a good one. Um.

1641
01:22:44,040 --> 01:22:46,519
Speaker 1: I didn't actually look to see. Is Jeff Gladney still

1642
01:22:46,560 --> 01:22:50,320
Speaker 1: on the board. Jeff Gladney is the last and mobile,

1643
01:22:50,320 --> 01:22:52,120
Speaker 1: at least of my opinion, the last really kind of

1644
01:22:52,160 --> 01:22:55,559
Speaker 1: top corner still left. Yeah, he would certainly fit in

1645
01:22:55,640 --> 01:22:58,479
Speaker 1: this range too, because he's a very talented guy. He

1646
01:22:58,520 --> 01:23:01,519
Speaker 1: actually reminds me some of Darius Slay, who the Lions

1647
01:23:01,520 --> 01:23:04,240
Speaker 1: just got rid up to Philadelphia and a guy, by

1648
01:23:04,280 --> 01:23:06,519
Speaker 1: the way, if you're rubber back, a little history lesson here.

1649
01:23:06,760 --> 01:23:08,640
Speaker 1: Gariously was the second round pick. At the top of

1650
01:23:08,640 --> 01:23:10,439
Speaker 1: the second round. He was dreadful as a rookie. He

1651
01:23:10,479 --> 01:23:12,360
Speaker 1: got bench and he deserved that. He came back and

1652
01:23:12,400 --> 01:23:13,720
Speaker 1: it has been one of the best quarterbacks in the

1653
01:23:13,840 --> 01:23:16,519
Speaker 1: NFL ever since. I can definitely see that happening with Gladney.

1654
01:23:17,120 --> 01:23:20,559
Speaker 1: Interesting trade down possibility here off of the lines, Jeff,

1655
01:23:20,600 --> 01:23:23,880
Speaker 1: I should probably ask you that before we say goodbye. Yeah,

1656
01:23:24,000 --> 01:23:25,719
Speaker 1: I think they would certainly like to pick up another

1657
01:23:25,800 --> 01:23:28,120
Speaker 1: Day three, Day two pick if they could call back,

1658
01:23:28,160 --> 01:23:30,439
Speaker 1: you know, five to seven spots and get another guy

1659
01:23:30,920 --> 01:23:32,320
Speaker 1: in that same range, you know, some of the other

1660
01:23:32,320 --> 01:23:35,479
Speaker 1: wide receivers that we mentioned there, we'll still be available

1661
01:23:35,560 --> 01:23:37,400
Speaker 1: in five to seven spots. I think they'd love to

1662
01:23:37,400 --> 01:23:40,120
Speaker 1: do that. Awesome, Jeff, Great stuff, man. I appreciate you

1663
01:23:40,200 --> 01:23:42,479
Speaker 1: making two picks for us in this year's draft. A

1664
01:23:42,479 --> 01:23:44,280
Speaker 1: lot of work goes into this and it all comes

1665
01:23:44,280 --> 01:23:46,639
Speaker 1: with truition on Thursday. Try to enjoy it and we'll

1666
01:23:46,640 --> 01:23:48,960
Speaker 1: talk to you down the road, all right. I can't wait.

1667
01:23:49,000 --> 01:23:52,559
Speaker 1: Thank you. We thank Jeff Risden for selecting at pick

1668
01:23:52,640 --> 01:23:55,759
Speaker 1: number thirty five for the Detroit Lions. He selects Denzel

1669
01:23:55,840 --> 01:23:58,160
Speaker 1: Mims wide receiver out of bail Or, the six wide

1670
01:23:58,200 --> 01:24:00,880
Speaker 1: receiver off the board. And now we got the Paul

1671
01:24:00,960 --> 01:24:04,360
Speaker 1: Schwartz were welcoming back pick number thirty six, the Giants

1672
01:24:04,360 --> 01:24:07,160
Speaker 1: second round selection. Kind of the reason we did this

1673
01:24:07,200 --> 01:24:09,519
Speaker 1: whole exercise, Paul, to kind of see who would be

1674
01:24:09,600 --> 01:24:12,400
Speaker 1: left on the board when the Giants got the thirty

1675
01:24:12,439 --> 01:24:18,040
Speaker 1: six Seeing who's gotten selected in those last thirty two picks,

1676
01:24:18,600 --> 01:24:22,559
Speaker 1: what jumps out of you anything really surprised you at all? Yeah?

1677
01:24:22,600 --> 01:24:24,320
Speaker 1: What jumps out of me is I think the draft

1678
01:24:24,360 --> 01:24:26,719
Speaker 1: is basically over for the Giants, and you know, there's

1679
01:24:26,720 --> 01:24:28,800
Speaker 1: too many good players gone. You know, doesn't this happened

1680
01:24:28,800 --> 01:24:31,479
Speaker 1: every year? John, I always find this. The first round

1681
01:24:31,560 --> 01:24:33,360
Speaker 1: is fine, but then you get to the second round

1682
01:24:33,600 --> 01:24:36,120
Speaker 1: and you start hyper ventilating. With all these guys you

1683
01:24:36,240 --> 01:24:38,679
Speaker 1: kind of feel like, you know a little bit about

1684
01:24:38,720 --> 01:24:41,360
Speaker 1: get taken. And I always think sometimes, oh my gosh,

1685
01:24:41,360 --> 01:24:43,479
Speaker 1: there's nobody left, and then I think we'll wait a second.

1686
01:24:43,520 --> 01:24:46,559
Speaker 1: There's a lot more rounds to go. So it's um,

1687
01:24:46,640 --> 01:24:48,840
Speaker 1: you know, I would be very hard pressed to be

1688
01:24:48,920 --> 01:24:51,559
Speaker 1: one of these guys calling the shots with the Giants

1689
01:24:51,600 --> 01:24:53,280
Speaker 1: or another team because too many of these guys go

1690
01:24:53,320 --> 01:24:55,720
Speaker 1: off the board and I just get too heartbroken with

1691
01:24:55,800 --> 01:24:58,800
Speaker 1: these things. Um, as far as you know, I mean

1692
01:24:58,840 --> 01:25:01,639
Speaker 1: I mean, what have you have so far? Seven offensive

1693
01:25:01,680 --> 01:25:04,920
Speaker 1: linemen taken, seven, seven offensive tackles taken. Yeah, you have

1694
01:25:04,960 --> 01:25:08,960
Speaker 1: the top four, including Andrew Thomas. Then the Dolphins doubled

1695
01:25:09,040 --> 01:25:13,200
Speaker 1: up at offensive tackle. They selected Austin Jackson and Josh

1696
01:25:13,280 --> 01:25:16,240
Speaker 1: Jones to protect Tua, which makes sense. You know, injury

1697
01:25:16,240 --> 01:25:18,400
Speaker 1: prone quarterback, you want to protect him. And then you

1698
01:25:18,439 --> 01:25:20,920
Speaker 1: had the final offensive lineman as you're Cleveland go to

1699
01:25:20,920 --> 01:25:24,800
Speaker 1: the forty niners at thirty one. So, uh, there's your

1700
01:25:24,840 --> 01:25:27,439
Speaker 1: seven right there. And both top centers are gone to

1701
01:25:28,080 --> 01:25:30,360
Speaker 1: caeesar Reeves of the Ravens at twenty eight and Lloyd

1702
01:25:30,400 --> 01:25:35,320
Speaker 1: Cushionberry to the Chiefs at thirty two. Yeah, it's it's um,

1703
01:25:35,479 --> 01:25:37,120
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, look, we don't know if it

1704
01:25:37,160 --> 01:25:39,280
Speaker 1: will go that way. Everyone says that there will be

1705
01:25:39,320 --> 01:25:41,599
Speaker 1: a lot of offensive lineman taken. You know, usually there's

1706
01:25:41,600 --> 01:25:44,880
Speaker 1: a run on offensive tackles at some point, but um,

1707
01:25:44,920 --> 01:25:47,400
Speaker 1: you know this is you know, will will you know

1708
01:25:47,439 --> 01:25:51,639
Speaker 1: I picked Isaiah Simmons in the first round at number four. Um,

1709
01:25:51,680 --> 01:25:53,800
Speaker 1: and to show you where my head is right now,

1710
01:25:53,840 --> 01:25:58,840
Speaker 1: I think I'm already regretting that pick. Well, it's funny

1711
01:25:58,920 --> 01:26:02,080
Speaker 1: like this. We we were corded that first pick before

1712
01:26:02,200 --> 01:26:05,880
Speaker 1: Dave Gentleman spoke to the media on Monday, and then

1713
01:26:05,920 --> 01:26:08,920
Speaker 1: he indicated in that conversation that, yeah, you know, and

1714
01:26:08,960 --> 01:26:11,640
Speaker 1: I think the quote was the depth of the offensive

1715
01:26:11,640 --> 01:26:14,559
Speaker 1: tackle position in this class made him maybe not make

1716
01:26:14,600 --> 01:26:17,800
Speaker 1: it much of a priority in free agency. Right And now,

1717
01:26:17,840 --> 01:26:19,240
Speaker 1: what does he mean by depth? Does he mean the

1718
01:26:19,280 --> 01:26:20,840
Speaker 1: really good guys at the top? Does he mean a

1719
01:26:20,960 --> 01:26:23,160
Speaker 1: later round guys that he might like. And now we're

1720
01:26:23,200 --> 01:26:26,160
Speaker 1: gonna hear from Dave on Friday. We're recording this before that,

1721
01:26:26,560 --> 01:26:29,120
Speaker 1: So depending on what he says, then we might have

1722
01:26:29,160 --> 01:26:31,439
Speaker 1: a different idea if we might want to pick right now.

1723
01:26:31,479 --> 01:26:33,519
Speaker 1: I'm sure Dave is not going into this thinking, man,

1724
01:26:33,560 --> 01:26:35,960
Speaker 1: I gave those guys some real carriacs to chase here

1725
01:26:36,000 --> 01:26:38,040
Speaker 1: because he does not want to do that. I mean,

1726
01:26:38,080 --> 01:26:40,560
Speaker 1: my take from that was, you know, he said, you

1727
01:26:40,840 --> 01:26:43,519
Speaker 1: try to address as many needs and free agency as

1728
01:26:43,560 --> 01:26:46,360
Speaker 1: you can. Right now, they clearly did not address the

1729
01:26:46,439 --> 01:26:49,479
Speaker 1: need for a center. And my mind, a right tackle,

1730
01:26:49,680 --> 01:26:53,240
Speaker 1: I mean, Cam Fleming is a is a swing tackle. Um,

1731
01:26:53,280 --> 01:26:56,040
Speaker 1: if he has to start, he has to start. But uh,

1732
01:26:56,320 --> 01:26:58,960
Speaker 1: considering the contract they gave him, you know, he's they

1733
01:26:59,000 --> 01:27:01,479
Speaker 1: are not looking at him is any kind of right

1734
01:27:01,520 --> 01:27:07,599
Speaker 1: tackle starting option unless something happens. So given that he

1735
01:27:07,640 --> 01:27:11,679
Speaker 1: knows that the draft is very strong for offensive tackles,

1736
01:27:11,720 --> 01:27:13,960
Speaker 1: he knows he's got the fourth pick. You know, the

1737
01:27:14,080 --> 01:27:17,800
Speaker 1: Giants know they can get any offensive tackle they want

1738
01:27:17,840 --> 01:27:19,720
Speaker 1: if they just sit it for and take on right.

1739
01:27:19,760 --> 01:27:21,559
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think anyone thinks one of those

1740
01:27:21,560 --> 01:27:24,080
Speaker 1: guys are gonna go in the top three. So if

1741
01:27:24,080 --> 01:27:26,120
Speaker 1: they're in love with someone, they said, we can sit there,

1742
01:27:26,200 --> 01:27:29,679
Speaker 1: we can contemplate the trade down um, or we can

1743
01:27:29,720 --> 01:27:32,880
Speaker 1: just take the guy we love and we'll say we

1744
01:27:32,920 --> 01:27:34,760
Speaker 1: think we should be said it either right or left

1745
01:27:34,760 --> 01:27:37,240
Speaker 1: tackle for the next ten years, and we're not gonna

1746
01:27:37,280 --> 01:27:39,679
Speaker 1: sweat it. You know, it's a position of need. Um.

1747
01:27:39,760 --> 01:27:42,200
Speaker 1: Everyone thinks that offensive tackles, if you want him, you

1748
01:27:42,200 --> 01:27:45,040
Speaker 1: gotta jump on him early. Right. I think in the league,

1749
01:27:45,600 --> 01:27:49,320
Speaker 1: by and large, most teams have an offensive tackle starting

1750
01:27:49,360 --> 01:27:51,000
Speaker 1: that was a first round draft pick. I mean, that's

1751
01:27:51,000 --> 01:27:53,480
Speaker 1: just the way it is, you know, not about linebackers,

1752
01:27:53,800 --> 01:27:56,760
Speaker 1: probably not about safeties, but tackles. If you want one,

1753
01:27:56,800 --> 01:27:59,040
Speaker 1: you gotta get one earlier. And I think, and I

1754
01:27:59,080 --> 01:28:02,000
Speaker 1: think this drest illustrates that I didn't mean drug. I'm

1755
01:28:02,000 --> 01:28:05,240
Speaker 1: just in with you because you get the thirty six year,

1756
01:28:05,280 --> 01:28:07,920
Speaker 1: your top seven guys are gone. Maybe you like Isai Wilson,

1757
01:28:07,960 --> 01:28:10,120
Speaker 1: I don't know, but no one left on the board

1758
01:28:10,120 --> 01:28:12,719
Speaker 1: as a plug and play guy and right tackle here.

1759
01:28:12,800 --> 01:28:14,679
Speaker 1: So all of a sudden, yeah, you've got a great

1760
01:28:14,680 --> 01:28:18,240
Speaker 1: player and Simmons, but boy, you're still looking at maybe

1761
01:28:18,240 --> 01:28:20,120
Speaker 1: a hole is the wrong word, but you have a

1762
01:28:20,200 --> 01:28:22,439
Speaker 1: litterally this way, you have no one under contract that

1763
01:28:22,600 --> 01:28:27,960
Speaker 1: right tackle beyond. And let's remember we also spoke with

1764
01:28:28,080 --> 01:28:31,240
Speaker 1: Joe Judgson's our first conference call. It's the first time

1765
01:28:31,240 --> 01:28:33,439
Speaker 1: we spoke making the pick right and you know, I

1766
01:28:33,479 --> 01:28:36,800
Speaker 1: thought it was very interesting what Joe Judge said about Look,

1767
01:28:36,920 --> 01:28:40,960
Speaker 1: you don't go into a draft thinking we got to

1768
01:28:41,000 --> 01:28:43,439
Speaker 1: get the NFL ready guy to plug in and play.

1769
01:28:43,479 --> 01:28:45,479
Speaker 1: You know, the plug and play thing is. You know

1770
01:28:45,479 --> 01:28:48,280
Speaker 1: what what he said is you always look long term

1771
01:28:48,320 --> 01:28:51,719
Speaker 1: with these picks. Who can help you best long term?

1772
01:28:52,000 --> 01:28:56,280
Speaker 1: He said, if you're looking for NFL ready, nobody's NFL ready.

1773
01:28:56,360 --> 01:28:58,280
Speaker 1: You know they all come in. They need the weight room,

1774
01:28:58,320 --> 01:29:00,839
Speaker 1: they need the strength of conditioning, they need the technique,

1775
01:29:00,840 --> 01:29:02,519
Speaker 1: they need to learn, what the heck the NFL is

1776
01:29:02,560 --> 01:29:04,840
Speaker 1: all about. So that was interesting to me and that,

1777
01:29:06,560 --> 01:29:09,760
Speaker 1: you know, it just it makes me think that, look,

1778
01:29:09,840 --> 01:29:12,120
Speaker 1: they're not looking at these guys. They're gonna say because

1779
01:29:12,160 --> 01:29:14,479
Speaker 1: look the Patriots, Joe Judge, Cape and Patriots, and I

1780
01:29:14,479 --> 01:29:17,200
Speaker 1: think the Patriots took great pride and had a lot

1781
01:29:17,240 --> 01:29:21,479
Speaker 1: of confidence that we can turn these prospects into players.

1782
01:29:21,520 --> 01:29:23,920
Speaker 1: So don't don't don't tell me this guy is a

1783
01:29:23,920 --> 01:29:27,280
Speaker 1: finished product from this big school. No, no, no, We're

1784
01:29:27,280 --> 01:29:30,080
Speaker 1: gonna make him a finished product in the time because

1785
01:29:30,120 --> 01:29:32,719
Speaker 1: we're really smart and we can develop these guys. And

1786
01:29:32,720 --> 01:29:34,800
Speaker 1: I think that's what Joe Judge wants to bring to

1787
01:29:34,840 --> 01:29:37,559
Speaker 1: the Giants. So you know, I'm not so hot and

1788
01:29:37,600 --> 01:29:42,080
Speaker 1: bothered over well, you know, Jedrick Wills is the most

1789
01:29:42,680 --> 01:29:45,120
Speaker 1: plug and play ready, right, A lot of people say that,

1790
01:29:45,280 --> 01:29:49,360
Speaker 1: or even Andrew Thomas, right, the most plug and play ready.

1791
01:29:49,560 --> 01:29:51,599
Speaker 1: The Giants aren't gonna care about that. They may have

1792
01:29:51,640 --> 01:29:54,200
Speaker 1: the guys start, but they're looking long term. You can't

1793
01:29:54,240 --> 01:29:56,719
Speaker 1: look short term with these high picks. Yeah, I agree

1794
01:29:56,720 --> 01:29:59,080
Speaker 1: with you. All right, So before we review even more

1795
01:29:59,080 --> 01:30:01,559
Speaker 1: about what's going on, are given where we are. You

1796
01:30:01,600 --> 01:30:04,439
Speaker 1: pick Simmons in the first round based on who's left,

1797
01:30:04,479 --> 01:30:07,800
Speaker 1: and again maybe where what are you thinking here based

1798
01:30:07,800 --> 01:30:09,560
Speaker 1: on the guys that are left, Paul, in terms of

1799
01:30:09,600 --> 01:30:12,400
Speaker 1: where you would go with thirty six. Well, here's the thing,

1800
01:30:12,479 --> 01:30:14,280
Speaker 1: Like I said, this is why I have what's Tom

1801
01:30:14,320 --> 01:30:18,599
Speaker 1: Coffin's great line, remorse for opportunity loss. Right, I already

1802
01:30:18,640 --> 01:30:22,920
Speaker 1: feel remorse for not taking the opportunity to take Jedrick

1803
01:30:22,960 --> 01:30:25,960
Speaker 1: Wills with the fourth pick. Okay, even though I think

1804
01:30:26,000 --> 01:30:28,160
Speaker 1: that would be better in the trade down. But still, okay,

1805
01:30:28,200 --> 01:30:30,160
Speaker 1: we we we can't talk for you know, two days

1806
01:30:30,160 --> 01:30:33,080
Speaker 1: about this. So I took Isaiah Simmons. So now I

1807
01:30:33,160 --> 01:30:36,599
Speaker 1: have to be true to my picks. I have an

1808
01:30:36,640 --> 01:30:40,439
Speaker 1: addressed offensive line. Yet you know what, I don't know

1809
01:30:40,479 --> 01:30:43,840
Speaker 1: if I can take an offensive lineman here at thirty six. Uh,

1810
01:30:43,880 --> 01:30:50,000
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know. Um is Isaiah Wilson from Georgia,

1811
01:30:50,040 --> 01:30:53,280
Speaker 1: the three fifty pound guys he worked the thirties six

1812
01:30:53,360 --> 01:30:56,519
Speaker 1: pick in the draft. I have a hard time believing that. Okay,

1813
01:30:56,600 --> 01:30:59,880
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna pass on that right now. Can I

1814
01:31:00,040 --> 01:31:02,960
Speaker 1: take a center? You know, I do really firmly believe

1815
01:31:03,000 --> 01:31:04,960
Speaker 1: the Giants can take a center high in the draft

1816
01:31:05,000 --> 01:31:08,559
Speaker 1: on the second day. Um, you have two gone, right,

1817
01:31:08,640 --> 01:31:11,080
Speaker 1: so we have I have Cushion Barry off the board

1818
01:31:11,120 --> 01:31:13,160
Speaker 1: and Louise off the board. So a lot of people,

1819
01:31:13,200 --> 01:31:15,640
Speaker 1: depending on who you talked to, would have Hennessy the

1820
01:31:15,680 --> 01:31:19,680
Speaker 1: next guy, right, Yeah, Tyler Beads from Wisconsin is you

1821
01:31:19,680 --> 01:31:21,880
Speaker 1: know he won the Rimington Award. You know he's he

1822
01:31:21,960 --> 01:31:24,439
Speaker 1: was the best center quote unquote in the country last

1823
01:31:24,479 --> 01:31:27,839
Speaker 1: year from Wisconsin. He's got some you know, physical issues

1824
01:31:27,880 --> 01:31:29,880
Speaker 1: that you know in this climate with not to getting

1825
01:31:29,880 --> 01:31:32,040
Speaker 1: the guy in your own building are hard. He's coming

1826
01:31:32,040 --> 01:31:34,720
Speaker 1: off shoulder surgery. So I don't know if I can

1827
01:31:34,760 --> 01:31:37,280
Speaker 1: take Matt Hennessy there. So you know what I'm gonna do.

1828
01:31:37,400 --> 01:31:41,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make everybody crazy, okay, and I'm gonna not

1829
01:31:41,160 --> 01:31:43,280
Speaker 1: take an offensive lineman again because I have to be

1830
01:31:43,320 --> 01:31:46,320
Speaker 1: true to the board. Right, I'm gonna take the safety

1831
01:31:46,360 --> 01:31:50,080
Speaker 1: from l s U. Grant Delpit, Oh, Grant Delpit. Now,

1832
01:31:50,360 --> 01:31:52,160
Speaker 1: and we we kind of talked off about this for

1833
01:31:52,200 --> 01:31:53,760
Speaker 1: a second, and I just want to kind of get

1834
01:31:53,800 --> 01:31:57,000
Speaker 1: into more detail with the on it. You know, giants

1835
01:31:57,000 --> 01:31:59,360
Speaker 1: and the pass rusher we all know that, and there's

1836
01:31:59,439 --> 01:32:02,200
Speaker 1: not a great draft for pass rushers and YouTube gross

1837
01:32:02,200 --> 01:32:04,240
Speaker 1: models is off the board. He could have been a consideration,

1838
01:32:04,760 --> 01:32:06,760
Speaker 1: but a Jpiness is still there. Guy has had a

1839
01:32:06,760 --> 01:32:09,000
Speaker 1: lot of sack production. He kind of fits that power

1840
01:32:09,240 --> 01:32:13,120
Speaker 1: end um profile that the Patriots have liked in years past.

1841
01:32:13,240 --> 01:32:15,920
Speaker 1: And you know, uh, Matt Patricia has used those guys

1842
01:32:15,920 --> 01:32:18,880
Speaker 1: in Detroit with Trey Flowers. What were your thoughts about

1843
01:32:18,880 --> 01:32:22,240
Speaker 1: maybe going pass Rusher with Epiness at this pick? Well,

1844
01:32:22,280 --> 01:32:24,600
Speaker 1: I actually watched to mult in college. My son is

1845
01:32:24,640 --> 01:32:27,320
Speaker 1: a junior at Wisconsin, so I watched all those games.

1846
01:32:27,360 --> 01:32:29,960
Speaker 1: You know, Wisconsin Iowa is always a really good game,

1847
01:32:30,040 --> 01:32:33,479
Speaker 1: really tough game. So I watched that a lot. And Um,

1848
01:32:33,520 --> 01:32:35,840
Speaker 1: I like him, you know, I don't love him. I

1849
01:32:35,880 --> 01:32:38,160
Speaker 1: think he's kind of you know, he did not test

1850
01:32:38,200 --> 01:32:40,439
Speaker 1: out well as a combine at all. Right, Um, he

1851
01:32:40,560 --> 01:32:43,559
Speaker 1: was not great at the combined. He's a better player

1852
01:32:43,600 --> 01:32:46,240
Speaker 1: than he is a tester. Okay, that's fine. Um, you

1853
01:32:46,280 --> 01:32:48,880
Speaker 1: need players, right, and you don't need testers. You know,

1854
01:32:48,880 --> 01:32:51,240
Speaker 1: we've seen plenty of guys who are great testers and

1855
01:32:51,240 --> 01:32:53,479
Speaker 1: and they're not great players. So he was not great

1856
01:32:53,680 --> 01:32:57,880
Speaker 1: at the combined with the height, speed, weight, measurable stuff. Um,

1857
01:32:57,920 --> 01:32:59,360
Speaker 1: you know, he's kind of got to me. I think

1858
01:32:59,360 --> 01:33:02,160
Speaker 1: he's a big guy. I think he gets the most

1859
01:33:02,160 --> 01:33:05,080
Speaker 1: out of what he has. But um, I just I

1860
01:33:05,080 --> 01:33:08,799
Speaker 1: don't see him as having a big upside in the NFL.

1861
01:33:08,920 --> 01:33:10,840
Speaker 1: I think he'll be good, I don't know if he'll

1862
01:33:10,840 --> 01:33:13,040
Speaker 1: be more than good. And so I'm thinking back to

1863
01:33:13,160 --> 01:33:17,880
Speaker 1: what Joe Judge said, Epanessa can probably come in and play,

1864
01:33:18,120 --> 01:33:20,800
Speaker 1: give you some snaps right away. He's very experienced from

1865
01:33:20,800 --> 01:33:23,680
Speaker 1: a good program, But that's not what they're looking for.

1866
01:33:23,760 --> 01:33:26,800
Speaker 1: They're looking for somebody now and for the future. What's

1867
01:33:26,840 --> 01:33:29,680
Speaker 1: his upside? You know, I think he's kind of he

1868
01:33:29,720 --> 01:33:32,200
Speaker 1: hasn't peaked, but I think he's closer to peeking than

1869
01:33:32,280 --> 01:33:35,040
Speaker 1: some of these other guys. Um. That's why I don't

1870
01:33:35,160 --> 01:33:36,680
Speaker 1: love him there. And I think that would be a

1871
01:33:36,720 --> 01:33:40,280
Speaker 1: little bit of a force for a pass rusher. Um

1872
01:33:40,439 --> 01:33:43,000
Speaker 1: and and and just like the offensive line to thirty

1873
01:33:43,040 --> 01:33:45,000
Speaker 1: six is a little bit of a force and a reach.

1874
01:33:45,600 --> 01:33:47,639
Speaker 1: Um And it kills me not to have an offensive

1875
01:33:47,640 --> 01:33:49,640
Speaker 1: lineman in the first two picks. That's why if I

1876
01:33:49,640 --> 01:33:52,240
Speaker 1: could go back, I would take the offensive lineman, and

1877
01:33:52,280 --> 01:33:56,439
Speaker 1: then at number thirty six, I can take Delpit And

1878
01:33:56,479 --> 01:33:58,680
Speaker 1: I say, Okay, now I've helped my offense and my

1879
01:33:58,760 --> 01:34:01,400
Speaker 1: defense and it's a little better combination there. Now you

1880
01:34:01,400 --> 01:34:03,840
Speaker 1: would slot delp It in at free safety is your

1881
01:34:03,840 --> 01:34:06,040
Speaker 1: single high guy, would you then maybe use Julian love

1882
01:34:06,120 --> 01:34:08,320
Speaker 1: in in the slot a little bit moving back to cornerback.

1883
01:34:08,320 --> 01:34:10,320
Speaker 1: How would you kind of work that mix? I would

1884
01:34:10,400 --> 01:34:12,040
Speaker 1: let the best man win, you know what I mean.

1885
01:34:12,120 --> 01:34:15,320
Speaker 1: I think Delpit is a single high guy. He's big,

1886
01:34:15,400 --> 01:34:18,040
Speaker 1: he packs a punch. He was better in two thousand

1887
01:34:18,120 --> 01:34:20,559
Speaker 1: eighteen than he wasn't two thousand nineteen. But he had

1888
01:34:20,600 --> 01:34:23,479
Speaker 1: an high ankle sprain in two thousand nineteen. He was

1889
01:34:23,680 --> 01:34:26,639
Speaker 1: terrific in two thousand eighteen. I mean he was terrific.

1890
01:34:26,680 --> 01:34:28,680
Speaker 1: And John, don't we see this? You know, you know

1891
01:34:28,840 --> 01:34:30,879
Speaker 1: ten years ago I would not be picking a safety

1892
01:34:30,880 --> 01:34:33,160
Speaker 1: at number thirty six, right. People just didn't do it

1893
01:34:33,280 --> 01:34:35,080
Speaker 1: very often. I mean, you know Kenny did it with

1894
01:34:35,160 --> 01:34:37,439
Speaker 1: Kenny Phillips, the Giants, you know you did. You had

1895
01:34:37,479 --> 01:34:39,400
Speaker 1: to be special, but it was kind of like you

1896
01:34:39,439 --> 01:34:42,040
Speaker 1: can get a safety. But now in this day and age,

1897
01:34:42,080 --> 01:34:46,120
Speaker 1: with with so many sub packages, you need athletic you know,

1898
01:34:46,200 --> 01:34:50,000
Speaker 1: two hundred and fifteen pound, two pound guys who can

1899
01:34:50,080 --> 01:34:52,920
Speaker 1: run and hit and cover on the field. Um, Delpit

1900
01:34:53,080 --> 01:34:54,840
Speaker 1: is a is a good he's good on the line

1901
01:34:54,880 --> 01:34:57,400
Speaker 1: of scrimmage, He's good deep. I think he fits very

1902
01:34:57,439 --> 01:35:00,080
Speaker 1: well with Jabrill Peppers. Okay, that's what I think. He

1903
01:35:00,160 --> 01:35:03,439
Speaker 1: fits well with your bro Peppers. And now if Julian

1904
01:35:03,560 --> 01:35:06,920
Speaker 1: Love you know, in year number two develops. Fine. You know,

1905
01:35:07,000 --> 01:35:10,479
Speaker 1: we saw the Giants years ago have great success with

1906
01:35:10,520 --> 01:35:13,559
Speaker 1: three safeties on the field. Okay, so that's fine, you

1907
01:35:13,560 --> 01:35:15,960
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And also I also have Isaiah

1908
01:35:15,960 --> 01:35:18,680
Speaker 1: Simmons on this team, So tell me something. Have you

1909
01:35:18,720 --> 01:35:21,599
Speaker 1: helped your defense? Now? Have you helped your past defense?

1910
01:35:21,640 --> 01:35:24,720
Speaker 1: Now with Isaiah Simmons and Grant Delpit? Right, I mean,

1911
01:35:25,080 --> 01:35:28,679
Speaker 1: you haven't fixed your offensive line, but you can argue

1912
01:35:28,680 --> 01:35:33,160
Speaker 1: that offensive line and and a really lousy defense the

1913
01:35:33,200 --> 01:35:35,360
Speaker 1: main reasons why this team hasn't been good the last

1914
01:35:35,400 --> 01:35:38,320
Speaker 1: few years. You've you know, now you have Blake Martinez.

1915
01:35:38,640 --> 01:35:43,480
Speaker 1: Now you have Kyle Kyler facral. Now you have uh,

1916
01:35:43,520 --> 01:35:48,519
Speaker 1: the cornerback Bradberry. Now you have Isaiah Simmons, and now

1917
01:35:48,560 --> 01:35:51,200
Speaker 1: you have Grant Delpit. Now you've got the makings of

1918
01:35:51,320 --> 01:35:54,440
Speaker 1: Now you put Patrick Graham in a room the defensive coordinator.

1919
01:35:54,920 --> 01:35:57,799
Speaker 1: Now he can have some funds. So we didn't address

1920
01:35:57,840 --> 01:36:00,120
Speaker 1: offensive line, but made the defense a whole heck up

1921
01:36:00,120 --> 01:36:01,800
Speaker 1: a lot better. Yeah, talk about the middle of that

1922
01:36:01,840 --> 01:36:04,280
Speaker 1: defense getting short up with a single high and delpot

1923
01:36:04,280 --> 01:36:06,160
Speaker 1: and a guy that can do a little everything in Simmons.

1924
01:36:06,240 --> 01:36:08,920
Speaker 1: That is that, you know, if they still give up

1925
01:36:08,920 --> 01:36:10,599
Speaker 1: a lot of passes the tight ends, then you need

1926
01:36:10,640 --> 01:36:13,200
Speaker 1: to launch some kind of investigation because those guys should

1927
01:36:13,240 --> 01:36:16,120
Speaker 1: do a real nice job against the posing tight ends.

1928
01:36:16,160 --> 01:36:19,040
Speaker 1: So besides offensive lines, I know, that's the obvious answer.

1929
01:36:19,080 --> 01:36:21,120
Speaker 1: We've talked about that kind of that nausea here, Paul,

1930
01:36:21,680 --> 01:36:23,800
Speaker 1: what now has you moved to to round three? There's

1931
01:36:23,960 --> 01:36:26,120
Speaker 1: thirty six picks, and by the way, would you look

1932
01:36:26,120 --> 01:36:28,240
Speaker 1: to trade down here based on who was left? Would

1933
01:36:28,240 --> 01:36:29,720
Speaker 1: that be a deal where you're like, look, let me

1934
01:36:29,760 --> 01:36:31,640
Speaker 1: move down maybe ten or fifteen spots, try to pick

1935
01:36:31,720 --> 01:36:34,120
Speaker 1: up an extra three since there is such a large

1936
01:36:34,160 --> 01:36:37,679
Speaker 1: gap between thirty six and well, I think, yeah, I agree,

1937
01:36:37,720 --> 01:36:41,439
Speaker 1: thirty six is a killer. It is an absolute killer.

1938
01:36:41,520 --> 01:36:43,479
Speaker 1: You know, the meat of this draft is going on

1939
01:36:43,600 --> 01:36:46,720
Speaker 1: there and you're sitting it out, so um, you know,

1940
01:36:46,760 --> 01:36:49,519
Speaker 1: if you could get a pick there, I mean, and

1941
01:36:49,560 --> 01:36:52,040
Speaker 1: I know giant fans when that Leonard Williams, what is

1942
01:36:52,080 --> 01:36:54,920
Speaker 1: that sixty six. What is the Leonard Williams picked they

1943
01:36:54,920 --> 01:36:56,880
Speaker 1: gave up. That would be let me see thirty six

1944
01:36:56,880 --> 01:36:58,680
Speaker 1: and the thirty two after that, that would probably be

1945
01:36:58,800 --> 01:37:01,759
Speaker 1: sixty eight sixty. I mean, that's gonna be a killer.

1946
01:37:01,800 --> 01:37:04,040
Speaker 1: I mean, that's gonna be. There's gonna be sewing on

1947
01:37:04,080 --> 01:37:06,480
Speaker 1: the board there. You know, the Giants fans are salivating

1948
01:37:06,520 --> 01:37:09,240
Speaker 1: about and um, you know he's gonna go and they're

1949
01:37:09,240 --> 01:37:11,400
Speaker 1: gonna say, darn it, you know we should have that pick,

1950
01:37:11,520 --> 01:37:14,280
Speaker 1: so um. Yeah, And anything the Giants can do to

1951
01:37:14,320 --> 01:37:18,440
Speaker 1: get a pick in that range would be very, very substantial,

1952
01:37:18,479 --> 01:37:21,760
Speaker 1: because I think there is when you can get I

1953
01:37:21,760 --> 01:37:24,720
Speaker 1: mean maybe Isaiah Wilson drops maybe, or you can get

1954
01:37:24,720 --> 01:37:26,960
Speaker 1: a center. You can get one of the two centers maybe,

1955
01:37:27,120 --> 01:37:29,880
Speaker 1: you know, maybe Hennessey and Beattish go before that. Look

1956
01:37:31,080 --> 01:37:34,280
Speaker 1: from thirty six to there's gonna be a ton of

1957
01:37:34,360 --> 01:37:39,160
Speaker 1: players who the Giants have rated bottom first second that

1958
01:37:39,240 --> 01:37:41,599
Speaker 1: are gonna go. And it's just gonna be a rough,

1959
01:37:41,720 --> 01:37:44,479
Speaker 1: rough stretch there. That's gonna be with these guys all

1960
01:37:44,520 --> 01:37:47,560
Speaker 1: sitting at home, you know, Joe Judge and North Attleboro

1961
01:37:47,680 --> 01:37:51,400
Speaker 1: and Dave Gettleman in New Jersey and Kevin Abrahams in Manhattan.

1962
01:37:51,680 --> 01:37:54,639
Speaker 1: I mean, oh, sitting alone with no one to kind

1963
01:37:54,640 --> 01:37:56,880
Speaker 1: of comfort them when those picks come off the board

1964
01:37:56,880 --> 01:38:00,680
Speaker 1: from thirty six, they're gonna feel very lonely. Yeah, I

1965
01:38:00,760 --> 01:38:02,800
Speaker 1: think Joe George I didn't want that dog next to him,

1966
01:38:02,800 --> 01:38:05,080
Speaker 1: a little stress relief with you know, Petner and all

1967
01:38:05,080 --> 01:38:08,000
Speaker 1: that stuff. He's gonna need Abbey's emotional support there waiting

1968
01:38:08,000 --> 01:38:11,160
Speaker 1: out that pick between thirty six and that's that's gonna

1969
01:38:11,160 --> 01:38:13,120
Speaker 1: be tough. Yes, I mean the the one picture I

1970
01:38:13,160 --> 01:38:15,200
Speaker 1: saw of Judge kind of sitting back on the couch

1971
01:38:15,640 --> 01:38:19,720
Speaker 1: and Abby the six year old Golden Retriever kind of

1972
01:38:20,040 --> 01:38:22,880
Speaker 1: looking a little bit sad and depressed on sitting on

1973
01:38:22,960 --> 01:38:25,960
Speaker 1: his thigh, And I said, boy, I don't want this

1974
01:38:26,040 --> 01:38:28,840
Speaker 1: image on on Thursday of the draft, because you gotta

1975
01:38:28,920 --> 01:38:30,960
Speaker 1: kind of be upbeat. There they looked both a little

1976
01:38:31,640 --> 01:38:34,160
Speaker 1: a weary of of of all the of all the

1977
01:38:34,240 --> 01:38:37,439
Speaker 1: draft preparations. So yeah, I mean, look, they want to

1978
01:38:37,439 --> 01:38:39,559
Speaker 1: get a center. Maybe with that third round pick they

1979
01:38:39,560 --> 01:38:42,760
Speaker 1: can get a center, but um, look you can draft

1980
01:38:42,800 --> 01:38:44,880
Speaker 1: centers in the third rounds who can come play for you. Right,

1981
01:38:44,920 --> 01:38:47,160
Speaker 1: Look at the Giants have had they won Super Bowls

1982
01:38:47,160 --> 01:38:52,400
Speaker 1: with guys, uh, you know who were undrafted or low drafted. Um, so, um,

1983
01:38:52,840 --> 01:38:55,000
Speaker 1: you can do it. So you can find one maybe,

1984
01:38:55,000 --> 01:38:56,720
Speaker 1: be honest, you would be kind of a diamond in

1985
01:38:56,760 --> 01:38:59,200
Speaker 1: the rough. Maybe he drops there because people are concerned

1986
01:38:59,240 --> 01:39:02,400
Speaker 1: about his his health, but he you know, he's been

1987
01:39:02,439 --> 01:39:05,280
Speaker 1: a good player for for three or four years and

1988
01:39:05,360 --> 01:39:07,519
Speaker 1: the Big ten for a big time running team. And

1989
01:39:07,600 --> 01:39:10,759
Speaker 1: you know Jonathan Teller didn't get all those six thousand

1990
01:39:10,760 --> 01:39:13,160
Speaker 1: plus yards on his own, so maybe he can help

1991
01:39:13,200 --> 01:39:15,400
Speaker 1: take Kawon Barkley get some yards for the Giants. Well.

1992
01:39:15,479 --> 01:39:19,000
Speaker 1: The final question, Paul, before we say goodbye, what's your

1993
01:39:19,040 --> 01:39:22,160
Speaker 1: thought on wide receiver here? And this is specific to

1994
01:39:22,160 --> 01:39:24,439
Speaker 1: the draft. Maybe I'll get one more general one, but

1995
01:39:25,160 --> 01:39:27,679
Speaker 1: would you try to target one in the round three

1996
01:39:27,920 --> 01:39:31,639
Speaker 1: top around four given how deep the classes and odds

1997
01:39:31,720 --> 01:39:34,400
Speaker 1: are when you get to that pick in then they

1998
01:39:34,479 --> 01:39:36,320
Speaker 1: pick a little bit later on top of the fourth round,

1999
01:39:36,560 --> 01:39:38,080
Speaker 1: there's a good chance the best player on the board

2000
01:39:38,120 --> 01:39:40,400
Speaker 1: is gonna be a wide receiver just because the classes

2001
01:39:40,520 --> 01:39:43,559
Speaker 1: that deep. Despite the lack of a need. You know,

2002
01:39:43,680 --> 01:39:46,120
Speaker 1: we talked about Golden Tate a little bit older, Sterling Shepard.

2003
01:39:46,160 --> 01:39:48,920
Speaker 1: The injury history would you think about targeting a wide

2004
01:39:48,920 --> 01:39:51,559
Speaker 1: out in that spot if value met where you would

2005
01:39:51,560 --> 01:39:53,680
Speaker 1: like it to be there, Well, I don't think it's

2006
01:39:53,720 --> 01:39:55,519
Speaker 1: that much of a lack. I don't think it's that

2007
01:39:55,600 --> 01:39:57,240
Speaker 1: much of a lack of a need, you know. I mean,

2008
01:39:57,280 --> 01:39:59,120
Speaker 1: I look, is it the number one need? No, But

2009
01:39:59,320 --> 01:40:01,800
Speaker 1: as you said, look, we all love Sterling Shepherd, but

2010
01:40:01,840 --> 01:40:05,439
Speaker 1: his concussion issues are a concern. I mean, there's no

2011
01:40:05,560 --> 01:40:08,320
Speaker 1: question about it. The Giants have to go into anything

2012
01:40:08,320 --> 01:40:11,360
Speaker 1: they do now looking at Sterling Shepherd and saying we

2013
01:40:11,439 --> 01:40:14,320
Speaker 1: hope to God that he holds up. But you know, concussions.

2014
01:40:14,360 --> 01:40:18,720
Speaker 1: You can't really prevent concussions, right, You can't legislate against concussions.

2015
01:40:18,760 --> 01:40:20,479
Speaker 1: You don't get them in practice most of the time.

2016
01:40:20,479 --> 01:40:22,080
Speaker 1: But when you're on the field, either you're out there

2017
01:40:22,160 --> 01:40:24,320
Speaker 1: or you're not. So that's an issue. Golden Tate is

2018
01:40:24,360 --> 01:40:27,280
Speaker 1: going into its eleventh season. That is not a time

2019
01:40:27,280 --> 01:40:30,880
Speaker 1: when receivers that are normal that aren't Larry Fitzgerald basically,

2020
01:40:30,880 --> 01:40:33,800
Speaker 1: you don't get better. Uh, And Darius Slayton was a

2021
01:40:33,840 --> 01:40:36,679
Speaker 1: real revelation as a rookie. So you know, it's it's

2022
01:40:36,720 --> 01:40:38,599
Speaker 1: a need. It's not the number one need, but it's

2023
01:40:38,600 --> 01:40:40,840
Speaker 1: a need. So I don't know if you target one there.

2024
01:40:41,080 --> 01:40:43,400
Speaker 1: But as you said, this is a very deep draft.

2025
01:40:43,640 --> 01:40:47,200
Speaker 1: So if they go in at at and there is

2026
01:40:47,240 --> 01:40:49,840
Speaker 1: a guy on their board who is a second round

2027
01:40:49,840 --> 01:40:53,080
Speaker 1: pick as a receiver and he's a bigger target, maybe,

2028
01:40:53,120 --> 01:40:54,840
Speaker 1: you know, I think they need a bigger guy. You know,

2029
01:40:54,880 --> 01:40:58,760
Speaker 1: they need someone with some meat on somebody who's six one, two,

2030
01:40:58,920 --> 01:41:01,120
Speaker 1: six three. If there's someone there and they said, we

2031
01:41:01,160 --> 01:41:03,280
Speaker 1: like this guy, this guy could be a number two

2032
01:41:03,320 --> 01:41:06,320
Speaker 1: receiver for us. He can be a starter type guy,

2033
01:41:07,040 --> 01:41:08,720
Speaker 1: you have to take him. Look, you have to get

2034
01:41:09,000 --> 01:41:12,040
Speaker 1: the best quality you can. And look, do I think

2035
01:41:12,120 --> 01:41:14,439
Speaker 1: you know in my draft as I'm doing it now,

2036
01:41:14,600 --> 01:41:16,960
Speaker 1: that they don't take an offensive lineman in the first

2037
01:41:17,000 --> 01:41:19,200
Speaker 1: three picks. No, I do not. You know, I got

2038
01:41:19,280 --> 01:41:21,559
Speaker 1: kind of pigeonholed with Simmons, and you know, you kind

2039
01:41:21,560 --> 01:41:24,280
Speaker 1: of have to that. You can't start chasing there. That's

2040
01:41:24,320 --> 01:41:27,160
Speaker 1: the problem is you can't start chasing. Oh, we need

2041
01:41:27,200 --> 01:41:30,519
Speaker 1: an offensive lineman. Let's take a tackle with And the

2042
01:41:30,560 --> 01:41:32,360
Speaker 1: guy is a fourth round pick and you're taking him

2043
01:41:32,360 --> 01:41:34,280
Speaker 1: in the third round. You know, it's not it's not

2044
01:41:34,320 --> 01:41:36,120
Speaker 1: a wise thing to do. So I don't think it

2045
01:41:36,120 --> 01:41:38,160
Speaker 1: will go that way, But no, I think you have

2046
01:41:38,240 --> 01:41:41,080
Speaker 1: to grab him. You know, you have to grab him.

2047
01:41:41,120 --> 01:41:42,720
Speaker 1: And there's not a lot of positions here that I

2048
01:41:42,720 --> 01:41:44,800
Speaker 1: would say stay away from. If it's a running back,

2049
01:41:45,439 --> 01:41:47,400
Speaker 1: you can stay away from it or trade down. You know,

2050
01:41:47,439 --> 01:41:49,439
Speaker 1: if there's a guy, if there's someone salivating about a

2051
01:41:49,520 --> 01:41:51,639
Speaker 1: running back, if you can trade down and let him

2052
01:41:51,640 --> 01:41:53,240
Speaker 1: have the running back. But because you don't need a

2053
01:41:53,320 --> 01:41:55,559
Speaker 1: running back in the first you know, first two days

2054
01:41:55,560 --> 01:41:58,639
Speaker 1: of this draft, but any quarterback, you don't need him

2055
01:41:58,640 --> 01:42:02,040
Speaker 1: anybody else fair aim, go for him. Closing statement, Paul,

2056
01:42:02,120 --> 01:42:04,840
Speaker 1: for you to be excited about this draft and to

2057
01:42:04,920 --> 01:42:06,600
Speaker 1: get to the end of it and say, boy, the

2058
01:42:06,680 --> 01:42:09,200
Speaker 1: Giants did really well. They really helped their team. They're

2059
01:42:09,200 --> 01:42:10,880
Speaker 1: gonna make them a lot better next year. They're on

2060
01:42:10,920 --> 01:42:13,720
Speaker 1: the right path. What do you need to see when

2061
01:42:13,720 --> 01:42:17,960
Speaker 1: we kind of take uh stake of everything either Saturday

2062
01:42:18,040 --> 01:42:20,840
Speaker 1: night or Sunday morning. Okay, I think that's a good one,

2063
01:42:20,880 --> 01:42:23,280
Speaker 1: and it's one I can answer. It's not Isaiah Simmons

2064
01:42:23,280 --> 01:42:25,000
Speaker 1: around four, even though I love the player and I

2065
01:42:25,080 --> 01:42:29,559
Speaker 1: drafted him. It's it's okay. I know who they're starting

2066
01:42:29,640 --> 01:42:32,960
Speaker 1: right tackle is barring anything crazy because they just drafted them,

2067
01:42:32,960 --> 01:42:34,880
Speaker 1: you know, very high in the first round. Number one

2068
01:42:35,200 --> 01:42:37,479
Speaker 1: that is that gets me excited because I want to

2069
01:42:37,479 --> 01:42:39,360
Speaker 1: see Daniel Jones on his feet and I want to

2070
01:42:39,400 --> 01:42:41,639
Speaker 1: see say Kom Barkley with the ball in his hands

2071
01:42:41,680 --> 01:42:45,840
Speaker 1: and not hit three yards in the backfield. So that's insurance.

2072
01:42:45,840 --> 01:42:48,200
Speaker 1: You have to do it. So that's number one. You

2073
01:42:48,200 --> 01:42:50,439
Speaker 1: have to get an offensive tackle you think can play.

2074
01:42:50,680 --> 01:42:53,679
Speaker 1: You need a defensive impact player, whether it's Simmons, whether

2075
01:42:53,720 --> 01:42:56,280
Speaker 1: it's Grant Delpit, whether it's Um. You know, what do

2076
01:42:56,280 --> 01:42:59,519
Speaker 1: you think of Kenneth Murray from uh Um, Oklahoma? You know,

2077
01:42:59,640 --> 01:43:02,960
Speaker 1: I mean maybe you go, maybe he's sitting there? Was

2078
01:43:03,000 --> 01:43:05,559
Speaker 1: he on your board at thirty six? Now Queen and

2079
01:43:05,640 --> 01:43:09,920
Speaker 1: Murray the two top linebackers. After Simmons went back to

2080
01:43:09,960 --> 01:43:13,880
Speaker 1: back to the Patriots at twenty three, they selected Murray

2081
01:43:13,880 --> 01:43:17,920
Speaker 1: and Patrick Queen from LSU went to the Saints at four. Okay, well,

2082
01:43:18,040 --> 01:43:20,599
Speaker 1: look here's the thing. Every time we talk about the draft,

2083
01:43:20,720 --> 01:43:22,439
Speaker 1: right and I mentioned someone of you or you mentioned

2084
01:43:22,479 --> 01:43:24,360
Speaker 1: someone and me, we say, I don't think he's gonna

2085
01:43:24,360 --> 01:43:26,519
Speaker 1: be there. I don't think he's gonna be About forty

2086
01:43:26,520 --> 01:43:29,439
Speaker 1: five guys we mentioned that about right. So I don't

2087
01:43:29,479 --> 01:43:31,519
Speaker 1: think they can be forty five guys picked in the

2088
01:43:31,560 --> 01:43:34,280
Speaker 1: first thirty five picks. Right. I'm not great at math,

2089
01:43:34,360 --> 01:43:36,840
Speaker 1: but I think that's true. So there will always be

2090
01:43:36,880 --> 01:43:38,880
Speaker 1: guys who will say, we didn't think we're there. So

2091
01:43:38,960 --> 01:43:41,800
Speaker 1: I think they needed an offensive tackle. They need a

2092
01:43:41,840 --> 01:43:44,600
Speaker 1: guy who is an impact player on defense, and and

2093
01:43:44,640 --> 01:43:46,559
Speaker 1: I think they need a center. They need to find

2094
01:43:46,600 --> 01:43:49,160
Speaker 1: a center who you can look at and say, maybe

2095
01:43:49,200 --> 01:43:52,559
Speaker 1: not but one I could see him getting a little

2096
01:43:52,560 --> 01:43:54,960
Speaker 1: bigger and stronger and playing center. And then after that

2097
01:43:55,200 --> 01:43:56,880
Speaker 1: you just fill in the blanks, and you know there'll

2098
01:43:56,880 --> 01:43:59,120
Speaker 1: be some guys that you're interested or not interested in.

2099
01:43:59,320 --> 01:44:03,040
Speaker 1: But that that's what I would say. Tackle, impact defensive player,

2100
01:44:03,400 --> 01:44:05,200
Speaker 1: not a pass rusher, because I don't think you're gonna

2101
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Speaker 1: get one. And um, center center. I can't can't thank

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Speaker 1: you enough for all the time we really appreciate. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna miss seeing you're on the building for the draft.

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Speaker 1: That's always fun have everybody there and kind of just

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Speaker 1: waiting in anticipation. You're rush into the press conference room

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Speaker 1: right after the pick gets made, and there's some urgency.

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Speaker 1: Instead we'll just be chewing out on our couch, maybe

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Speaker 1: having a beverager too as he watched the draft and

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Speaker 1: kind of do everybody will do their thing on their own,

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Speaker 1: but it'll still be fun. Man. Why don't we do

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Speaker 1: a zoom draft and we'll just look at each other

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Speaker 1: and uh with it with three other of white guys

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Speaker 1: that we want to make. You know, you have wise

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Speaker 1: guy comments about after they pick or don't pick a guy,

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Speaker 1: and we can do that right now. I think we'll

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Speaker 1: all be we'll be busy enough, you know, Thursday, Friday

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Speaker 1: and Saturday. It'll just be very remote from home and

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Speaker 1: very strange, but you know it'll get done. Good stuff, Paul.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate him, and stay safe, enjoy the draft. Hopefully

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Speaker 1: I'll see you soon, all right, John, take care. All right,

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Speaker 1: There you have it, our mock draft completed for the

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Speaker 1: Giants little podcast. The first thirty six picks. You see

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Speaker 1: who the Giants wound up with, and it's gonna be

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Speaker 1: interesting to see on draft night exactly what happens. The

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Speaker 1: one thing the draft is unpredictable. Hopefully this gave you

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Speaker 1: an idea of where some players might go and who

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Speaker 1: might be available for the Giants when they select at

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Speaker 1: thirty six I hope you enjoyed the exercise. I know

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Speaker 1: I did. Thank you for checking it out, and of course,

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01:45:22,960 --> 01:45:25,799
Speaker 1: you can find all episodes of the Giant Subtle Podcast

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Speaker 1: on the Giants Mobile app, on giants dot com slash podcast,

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Speaker 1: and then all your favorite podcast platforms. You can find

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Speaker 1: all the Giants podcast offerings at giants dot com slash Podcast,

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Speaker 1: including Big Blue kick Off Live, which covers the draft

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Speaker 1: every single weekday for a full hour talking draft with you.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. I'm John Schmolke. We'll

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Speaker 1: see you next time on the Giant Subtle Podcast