1 00:00:01,760 --> 00:00:11,880 Speaker 1: Colson Media. Hello, everyone, it's me James Today. I am 2 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:16,160 Speaker 1: back from my trip to Kurdistan and I'm talking today 3 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 1: with Rania Hayat, a name that I've probably just but shered. 4 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 1: But Ranier is the communications officer for the Palestinian Journalist Syndicate. 5 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 1: And we're very, very lucky to have Ronnie talking to us. 6 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:33,479 Speaker 2: Welcome Renie, thank you, Jams, thank you for contacting me 7 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:36,840 Speaker 2: and letting me be letting me with you. 8 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, of course you're very welcome. So I think Rania, 9 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:44,839 Speaker 1: it's it's been a really hard time to consume news. 10 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:49,160 Speaker 1: For the first week of what's happening. I was in 11 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 1: mostly Syrian and Iraqi Kurtistan, and I wasn't maybe consuming 12 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 1: as much news so I normally do, because I was 13 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 1: trying to write news in today Uh. And then I 14 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 1: got back there just the the barers you, information and 15 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 1: disinformation has been very hard for people to sort of 16 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 1: wade through, and I wonder I think one of the 17 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 1: things I'd like us to focus on first and foremost 18 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 1: is the impact of Israel's bombing campaign on journalists, specifically 19 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:22,480 Speaker 1: working in Gaza. I know, like friends of mine are 20 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 1: journalists in Gaza. We featured on this podcast before the 21 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 1: people of Parkour, Gaza, and I know that many journalists 22 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 1: have lost their lives covering what's been happening. So can 23 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 1: you explain a little bit about what's been happening and 24 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:41,399 Speaker 1: maybe bring us up to date on the amount of 25 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 1: every loss is a tragedy, but like the amount of 26 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:45,760 Speaker 1: people who have lost their lives covering this. 27 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 2: Yes, James, well, let's start that journalists and Gaza are 28 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 2: civilians who are people who travel. They work, They should travel, 29 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 2: but they work, They do their job. They try to 30 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 2: cover the news with very hard conditions with the daily 31 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 2: life of Gaza. Since the beginning of the war against 32 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 2: Gas on the seventh of October, you know how the 33 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 2: war started targeting everything in Gaza, not even all the people, 34 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 2: more than the people, you know, the buildings, the children, 35 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 2: even the animals, the plants, you know, just bombing and 36 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 2: bombing and bombing strikes the whole time. At the beginning, 37 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 2: we try to we have some our contacts with journalists 38 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:43,119 Speaker 2: in Gaza, we have our General Secretaria member and so 39 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 2: we try to get information from them. At the beginning, Yeah, 40 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 2: it was not easy, but it was okay to get 41 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 2: some information about what's going on. But by the time 42 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 2: now we reached to a place that when I call them, 43 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:04,680 Speaker 2: they always tell dozens of we don't know. We are disconnected. 44 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:09,239 Speaker 2: I'm homeless. Now, I am not able to get any news. 45 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 2: I can't tell you about my friend or my neighbor 46 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 2: next to me, but I'm not able to tell you 47 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:18,960 Speaker 2: about further than this. I will just give some statistics. 48 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 2: Up to now, we have eighteen killed journalists who have 49 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 2: been either killed while try covering, others were killed in 50 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 2: their homes, being through air strikes with their families and 51 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 2: so on. We have also many many journalists who have 52 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 2: dozens of them have been injured. I'm really sorry. I 53 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 2: was I wanted to have some you know, I curate statistics, 54 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 2: but I can't give you until now. We are now 55 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 2: trying trying to develop like a tool to get some statistics, 56 00:03:56,240 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 2: but until now it's not working well. And we have 57 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 2: many journalists who lost their homes, homes because it was 58 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 2: bomb bombed or yeah, airstract others they were in this place, yeah, 59 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:18,040 Speaker 2: and many of them moves from their homes either because 60 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 2: their homes was bombed or other because they were threatened 61 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:23,839 Speaker 2: to stay at their home safely, so they go to 62 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 2: other like schools, hospitals and so on. The most tragic 63 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 2: is the journalists who are losing their families. When you 64 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:37,040 Speaker 2: call a journalist to ask him about any thing, they 65 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:39,599 Speaker 2: told you Okay, I lost my son, I lost my wife, 66 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 2: I lost all my family, I lost my mother. Now 67 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 2: they are they are completely broken. You can't talk to them. 68 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 2: They are you know, it's really very tragic situation. 69 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's I mean, it's literally unimaginable, like, yeah, 70 00:04:56,760 --> 00:05:01,039 Speaker 1: I think I've attended wars, I've lost friends, but nothing. 71 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:04,360 Speaker 1: I can't imagine what it's like on this scale. And 72 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:08,599 Speaker 1: it's heartbreaking to even think about it. And I think 73 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 1: some of what you said obviously, like part of the 74 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 1: situation this creates is that it's very hard to do 75 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:19,919 Speaker 1: reporting on the ground. It's always been hard to do 76 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 1: reporting on the ground at Gaza. I have made plans 77 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:28,159 Speaker 1: to go to Gaza, which probably won't work out now, 78 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 1: but it's hard foreign press, and of course there are 79 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:34,600 Speaker 1: many very capable journalists within Ghas that we don't need 80 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 1: foreign press to go then necessarily. But can you explain 81 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 1: a little bit of how when this war started, it 82 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:47,839 Speaker 1: didn't just like affect these people in terms of killing them, 83 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 1: killing their families, displacing them, detroying their homes. But also 84 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:54,360 Speaker 1: like every day this war goes on, it gets harder 85 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 1: for us to see I think the impact of this 86 00:05:56,680 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 1: war on civilians living in Gaza, right because of the 87 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:01,159 Speaker 1: image to infrastructure. 88 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 3: Is that fair to say, yes, this is what's going on, 89 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 3: and yes, reporting is getting more and more complicated because 90 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:15,279 Speaker 3: as also you know, there is no electricity. 91 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 2: Communication is very very difficult when sometimes through phone call 92 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 2: I call them just to get something, they tell me, okay, 93 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:26,360 Speaker 2: wait until I get some internet and I will get. 94 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 1: Back to you. 95 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 2: I wait for hours and hours, sometimes for the second 96 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:33,599 Speaker 2: day to get a little information. So you can imagine 97 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 2: how they can even contact with each other. 98 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:41,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, and yeah, that makes it very hard. I think 99 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 1: often like we might have more info. This is not 100 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:48,479 Speaker 1: uncommon actually, like you have more information sitting somewhere with 101 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 1: a broad bank connection and access to Twitter than you 102 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 1: do on the ground, right, Like they may not know 103 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:54,600 Speaker 1: everything that's happening. 104 00:06:56,160 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 2: Yes, I don't know if I can talk about this, 105 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:05,799 Speaker 2: but you know about the restrictions that on all social 106 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 2: media applications, the restrictions on the Palestinian contract content on 107 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 2: the social media. We're facing a big massive wave against 108 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 2: our content, was against our news through Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, 109 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 2: all those applications. So we are not able even to 110 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 2: reach many people are banned, many people are hanged, and 111 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 2: we are just hearing about the banning of many accounts 112 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 2: of Palestinians. The very limited reach the very limited, and 113 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 2: there are sometimes many times they are blocked or yeah, 114 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 2: blocked or from posting and so on. So even also 115 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 2: this is another problem that we are facing to reach out. 116 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think this is in a sense obviously, like 117 00:07:56,680 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 1: it's in terms of specifically getting information about because I 118 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 1: think that is important. I think if people could understand 119 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 1: what it's like to see someone lose their baby, and 120 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 1: then I think very few people would be able to 121 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 1: in good conscious support that. And the fact that this 122 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 1: has come at a time when I think generally, certainly 123 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 1: for the US, reporting on things outside the US is 124 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 1: an all time low, like it's atrocious, and so people 125 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 1: lack the context to understand, not through any fault of 126 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 1: their own right, but they've just been fed terrible you know, 127 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 1: opinion pieces for the last few years. They lack the 128 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 1: context to understand why what's happening is happening. And I 129 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:47,839 Speaker 1: think obviously Elon Muskusport, Twitter and and just it's accessible. 130 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 1: It's terrible, it's full of false information. And as you say, 131 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:55,960 Speaker 1: often videos that I have friends who are photographers in Gaza, 132 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:59,440 Speaker 1: a friends who are just people in Gaza, and videos 133 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:01,559 Speaker 1: that they post be taken down. It's sometimes they're to 134 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 1: say it's too graphic, it's too violent, but like also 135 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 1: that's their everyday life. Now that's been happening for two weeks. This, Yeah, 136 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 1: graphic violence is sadly what's visited upon them every day. 137 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:21,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, believe me, what's going on in Gaza is 138 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:24,439 Speaker 2: very You can't image, you can't hold it when you 139 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 2: when you watch it. Even the TV channels they try 140 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 2: to make to minimize how dangerous and how violent are 141 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 2: the scenes that we see. At the same time, I 142 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 2: had a discussion this morning, I don't want people to 143 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 2: cry for us, it's not I don't want people to 144 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 2: cry for the babies killed, and so with very hard 145 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 2: pictures and videos, I just want the humanity without seeing 146 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 2: the video just here that there is a charge it's 147 00:09:57,320 --> 00:10:01,840 Speaker 2: loading child children. Thousands of children are losing their child's 148 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 2: life or nothing. Are losing their hands, their legs, they 149 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 2: are now handicapped. They don't know why. You know, we 150 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 2: don't need to see the video, just know that this 151 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 2: is going on. We don't want to make a tragedy. 152 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 2: We don't want to to people to cry with us 153 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 2: when we cry. Yes, we want, okay, some solidarity, but 154 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 2: it's not something to have the emotions and then then 155 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 2: we sleep and then we wake up. That's what Or no, no, 156 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 2: there is something going on. We don't need the sympath 157 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 2: you know, we need some actions, we need steps, we 158 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 2: need humanity now. 159 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:44,439 Speaker 1: Yeah. So I think that's an excellent, really really excellent point. 160 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:46,439 Speaker 1: Like it's not a film or like something you can 161 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 1: consume and then step away from. So what sort of 162 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 1: solidarity actions can people take to support people in gather, 163 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 1: to support journalists there, to support the greater cause of 164 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 1: not having this issue where every few years thousands of 165 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 1: Palestinian civilians get killed. 166 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 2: Yes, well, to be honest, we want when we want 167 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 2: to feel better, we turn on the television to see 168 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 2: the demonstrations. When we see the demonstrations London, blocks, cell 169 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:21,679 Speaker 2: the United States and different cities Arab world everywhere. When 170 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:24,560 Speaker 2: we see these demonstrations, we feel that somebody knows there 171 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 2: is like a kind of movement. This helps us, and 172 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 2: we need further steps after the demonstration. We need lobbying. 173 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 2: We need the people who elect their governments who support 174 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 2: those massacs and to say no, we give you leg 175 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:44,960 Speaker 2: legitimacy to be human. Stop this inhumanity. We need the 176 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 2: people to lobby on their governments that this should not 177 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 2: be supported. This is this is the real action that 178 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:56,840 Speaker 2: we need. Lobbying, lobbying, lobbying by the people, by the 179 00:11:56,880 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 2: power of people. 180 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:00,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's one of those things, like some 181 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:03,600 Speaker 1: things will never change in America, at least not by voting, 182 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 1: but like some things, yeah, if enough people and I 183 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 1: think more people, Like I remember when I moved to 184 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 1: America fifteen years ago, when I was young as twenty one, 185 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 1: and I came into America and I had a free Palestine, 186 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 1: like a badge on my jacket like to sew things 187 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 1: on my jacket, you know, and they sent me straight 188 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 1: to the secondary you know, like they're like where they 189 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:27,560 Speaker 1: pat you down and take off your clothes and go 190 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:29,720 Speaker 1: through your bags and stuch, and like it just wasn't 191 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 1: as big of a concern I think more people in 192 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:35,319 Speaker 1: the fifteen years since then have become aware of the 193 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:39,440 Speaker 1: tragedy and the loss of life. And certainly now I've 194 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 1: seen more people wake up to what's happening and like 195 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 1: protest or you know, get out and do things in 196 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 1: a way that they wouldn't have done ten years ago. 197 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:53,959 Speaker 1: And I think that's really it's good, Like hopefully that 198 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:56,320 Speaker 1: demand for people to be allowed to live with dignity 199 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 1: and safety continues. 200 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:01,440 Speaker 2: Yes, I mean, I just always want to ask anybody 201 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:03,560 Speaker 2: you'd like to say, are you going? Are you happy 202 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 2: to pay your tax for killing others? 203 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 1: Is it Jesus? 204 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, this is the very initial, very first question. Are 205 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 2: you happy with this? Do you pay your tax for 206 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 2: this or for anything that you like to have your 207 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 2: tax to be paid for? Yeah, this is what we want. 208 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 2: We are facing killing, we are facing assassination and bombarding 209 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 2: and so on, and we need all What we need 210 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 2: is humanity, nothing else. 211 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 1: I was thinking this morning of like, how very obviously 212 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 1: right when when Russia bombed Ukrainian cities, most people said 213 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:56,559 Speaker 1: we should help the Ukrainians, send them moms, send them 214 00:13:56,880 --> 00:13:59,120 Speaker 1: medical supplies, and some of them went and volunteered to 215 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:04,000 Speaker 1: fight the Ukrainians when and I understand that like this 216 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:08,080 Speaker 1: obviously this this conflict began in very different circumstances other 217 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 1: than the Russia Ukraine conflict, but nonetheless, like little children 218 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:14,440 Speaker 1: are being killed and continue to be killed, and the 219 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:18,080 Speaker 1: response wasn't the same. And I think some of that 220 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 1: comes from like and not particularly hard to see orientalism 221 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 1: in the US and the US media. Also some of 222 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 1: it comes from the complete absence of Palestinian voices in 223 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 1: certainly in like the English language press in America. And 224 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 1: I wonder, like I know that there are certain organizations 225 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 1: which have specifically worked to make it harder for Palestinian journalists, 226 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 1: like my friend Hassam Salem. He's an excellent photographer. You 227 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 1: can find him on all the places where you find 228 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 1: people on the internet. But we worked on stories together, 229 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 1: and I know he's now had he's lost contract with 230 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 1: major outlets because of this sort of campaign of accusing 231 00:14:57,120 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 1: him of bias. I think it's hard not to be 232 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 1: biased when you see little children die. But I wonder 233 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 1: if you could talk about that, like how Palestinian voices 234 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 1: are excluded or missing from what even now right the 235 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 1: Atlantic since two weeks of bombing now and I was 236 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 1: looking this morning and they've managed to find two Palestinian 237 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 1: voices to share. Like, you know, it's maybe not. I'll 238 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 1: have to check that after we've done. But I was 239 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 1: flicking through these big sort of opinion piece type outlets 240 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:30,160 Speaker 1: and it's very clear that like even now, people haven't 241 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 1: like editors specifically, or the greater press has not stopped 242 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 1: excluding Palestinian voices. So maybe we could talk about like 243 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 1: how that happens, what allows that to happen, and what 244 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 1: people can do to help lift up those voices. 245 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 2: Well, yes, Perastilian voices are being banned all over by 246 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 2: different movements. There are many times fired from their works 247 00:15:55,760 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 2: and big news outlets and the media outlets for different 248 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 2: political reasons. And if you want to go and through 249 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 2: the stories, you find that some people are just trying 250 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 2: to make to make problems for those people to let 251 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 2: them leave their work and stop writing or telling the 252 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 2: news or analyzing or anything about the Peristinian cause and 253 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 2: what's going on. We're facing this globally, and we have 254 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 2: many cases recorded and undocumented in the pgs, and we 255 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 2: can give you many examples about them. But I have 256 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 2: to tell about something that we're a member of the 257 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:45,920 Speaker 2: International Federation of Journalists. And we have also even our 258 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 2: president of Pilian Peristinian Journalist Syndicate. He's a vice president 259 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 2: of the International Federation of Journalist. He has been elected 260 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 2: last year in the last congress. We have sister unions. 261 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 2: One of them one of the best friends of us 262 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 2: are the National Writers Union, the American National Writers Union, 263 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:12,440 Speaker 2: which is a very big supporter to us. They even 264 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:19,359 Speaker 2: very got better. The general secretary even he visited us 265 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:22,160 Speaker 2: in Palestine a few months ago, and he's a very 266 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:26,720 Speaker 2: supporter of what's going on, of all our statements, of 267 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:31,679 Speaker 2: our news at the beginning of the world they produced 268 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 2: like a statement about biosity and misleading news and so on, 269 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:44,919 Speaker 2: how to avoid them supporting the Palestinians, supporting our life, 270 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 2: our right to life, and so on. So we we 271 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:52,400 Speaker 2: highly appreciate this movement. Of course, he's not the only one. 272 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:56,880 Speaker 2: Many many syndicates, many unions all over the world sent 273 00:17:57,040 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 2: us solidarity letters. Some of them supported us even with 274 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 2: some in kind contribution, with some funds in addition to solidarity, 275 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:11,520 Speaker 2: in addition to demonstrations and so on, which really gave 276 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 2: us a lot of power of hope. So we can 277 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 2: continue and we are not alone. 278 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:21,199 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's really powerful. Yeah. Well, I mean 279 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:24,119 Speaker 1: it's not enough, but it's something that unions. I think 280 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 1: people also, if they're members of the union, can encourage 281 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:29,520 Speaker 1: their union to do that, right, just to make a statement, Yeah, 282 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 1: just to show some solidarity. I wonder like what you 283 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:37,720 Speaker 1: talked about in kind donations, and you talked about the 284 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 1: support you're getting from unions. I know one unions which 285 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:45,160 Speaker 1: i'm a member, that's your Workers of the World FJAU 286 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 1: just did a fundraiser or still doing a fundraiser for 287 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:53,679 Speaker 1: flag vests and bullet profess for journalists. What kind of 288 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 1: support can people give, like in a concrete sense, beyond 289 00:18:57,359 --> 00:18:59,920 Speaker 1: getting in the streets and protesting and writing letters and 290 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:03,400 Speaker 1: emails and phone calls. It's the stuff that they can 291 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:05,159 Speaker 1: do with their money, if they have some money. 292 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:10,440 Speaker 2: Well, it's not a kind of money, it's a kind 293 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:14,680 Speaker 2: of I will tell you now, the situation in Gaza, 294 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:18,200 Speaker 2: we can't or what we do we need is a ceasfire, 295 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:22,879 Speaker 2: to be honest, they even don't have fresh water they 296 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:27,399 Speaker 2: drink by the way, and they say try to minimize that. 297 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 2: The water they drink, and they know that the water 298 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:32,880 Speaker 2: they drink is not very clean, but just to survive. 299 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 2: So you can start with this very basic need of 300 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 2: life and then you go further. As I already told 301 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:44,680 Speaker 2: you that the safety vests are very important, but when 302 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:48,639 Speaker 2: you are under strikes, this will never help you. But 303 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:51,600 Speaker 2: if I want to talk about the daily life, about 304 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 2: how it's going and the West Bank and Gaza, our journalists, 305 00:19:56,440 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 2: we all work under the same conditions of aggress the events, 306 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:07,880 Speaker 2: covering aggressive events and so on. So we try as 307 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:11,119 Speaker 2: pg US to to contact all the media outlets and 308 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 2: Palestine to offer or provide safety kits for all journals 309 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 2: to work in the field. But for example our freelancers, 310 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:29,360 Speaker 2: they work on their on responsibility and a very dangerous situation. 311 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 2: We try to to to tell how dangerous that what 312 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 2: they do when you go to cover with you don't 313 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:42,680 Speaker 2: have very full safety kits or it's it's very dangerous 314 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:45,320 Speaker 2: for them, but they are not able to cover it 315 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:48,440 Speaker 2: and they want to they need to work, they need 316 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:50,200 Speaker 2: to do their job, so they do it in a 317 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:55,880 Speaker 2: very strained, sory, dangerous conditions. So one of the things 318 00:20:55,880 --> 00:21:01,160 Speaker 2: that we can support unless yes, safety kets, which are 319 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 2: very important. Medical kids also are very important. What what 320 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:17,240 Speaker 2: else we try we try to to do. Also, we 321 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:21,200 Speaker 2: try to raise the awareness to make some materials for 322 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 2: the journals about safety. Safety is very important for us. 323 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:29,920 Speaker 2: We try to teach them more about how to take 324 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:32,399 Speaker 2: care of themselves, how to report and so on, about 325 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:37,719 Speaker 2: their security and so on. This is mainly what I 326 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 2: can talk about for for the needs or the inkind contribution. 327 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:44,200 Speaker 2: As I told you, in the current situation, for example, 328 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:49,359 Speaker 2: we try to support through some donations, through support to 329 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 2: support the journalists with better charging. Better is because of 330 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 2: the lack of electricity and power sources in Gaza, so 331 00:21:57,040 --> 00:22:00,719 Speaker 2: just to give them connected currently they are very useful 332 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:02,919 Speaker 2: for them and it helps. 333 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:03,160 Speaker 3: Now. 334 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I can see. It's probably best that you 335 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 1: guys just have money and then you can be flexible 336 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 1: in getting what people need. I think that's generally the 337 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 1: best advice. It's when there's a crisis, is to send 338 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 1: the people nearest to it money and then they can 339 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 1: decide what they need. I certainly I found that. I 340 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:23,120 Speaker 1: found that in a lot of places I worked. Yes, 341 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:26,320 Speaker 1: so you talked about the power situation. I think that's 342 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:30,399 Speaker 1: sort of it has gone relatively unreported. I mean, it'll 343 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:32,640 Speaker 1: still say, like the power and water have been cut off, 344 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 1: but that creates a lot of other dangerous situations, right 345 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 1: Like obviously some people rely on that power if they're infirm, 346 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:42,159 Speaker 1: if they have medical devices, that kind of thing. But 347 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 1: also like where there are places to charge, that results 348 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 1: in a very high concentration of people. Right Like my 349 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:51,199 Speaker 1: friend was telling me that their parents were in a 350 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:54,959 Speaker 1: hospital to charge their their devices. Right They wanted to 351 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:57,960 Speaker 1: call their child and say we're safe, we're alive, but 352 00:22:58,000 --> 00:22:59,359 Speaker 1: their phone had run out of batteries, so they had 353 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:01,960 Speaker 1: to go to the hospit. Yeah, can you explain a 354 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:04,120 Speaker 1: little bit of some of the things that like that 355 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 1: that has resulted in the loss of power for people. 356 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:12,479 Speaker 2: Yes, of course. For example, first of all, let me 357 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:16,680 Speaker 2: tell you that we already asked quested all our journalists 358 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 2: in Gaza to be in the hospitals for their safety. 359 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 2: We try, we expect that it would be a pleas 360 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 2: safe place, but there is no safe plessing as now 361 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:32,400 Speaker 2: as you already know about the hospitals that have been targeted. 362 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 2: But we already asked them to be in the hospitals. 363 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:39,439 Speaker 2: We try to make some press zones and the hospitals 364 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 2: in some places whereas for press, for journalists to be 365 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 2: there so they can get some electricity power and so 366 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:52,080 Speaker 2: they can ought to be together, try to exchange information 367 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:57,760 Speaker 2: and work together, so it will be better for them 368 00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 2: to work and safer between brackets always for them to work, 369 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 2: to be honest, Yes, I don't know. If you see 370 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:11,520 Speaker 2: the news now, it's we had the sun has set, 371 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:15,119 Speaker 2: so it's completely dark, and because you just gonna have 372 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:19,919 Speaker 2: some light and spots which are the hospitals, and you 373 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 2: know that even the solar and the sorry, the fuel 374 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 2: for school for hospitals is about to to to finish 375 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 2: here and in two days I think maximum. But we 376 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:40,600 Speaker 2: will see. Maybe we'll have some trucks or they will 377 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:43,359 Speaker 2: get something inside Gaza for fuel and so on. But 378 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 2: I'm not sure about this. 379 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:48,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, yeah, every day it's changing, I guess. 380 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 1: And I wondered, like talking about getting things into gather, 381 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 1: getting getting things two people in Gaza, a thing that 382 00:24:56,480 --> 00:25:00,159 Speaker 1: seems to be completely like I don't know, Genue. It 383 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:01,920 Speaker 1: seems to be people think people could just walk out 384 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:06,960 Speaker 1: of Gaza and go somewhere else. So I guess, just 385 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:10,399 Speaker 1: to be extremely clear on that, can you explain the 386 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 1: situation for people in Gaza with respect to if they 387 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:15,919 Speaker 1: want their mobility and their ability to leave, because I 388 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:19,400 Speaker 1: think it's something that again has been like criminally overlooked 389 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:21,200 Speaker 1: in the United States, discourse. 390 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:23,879 Speaker 2: Ability to leave Gaza. 391 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 1: I mean yeah, yeah, like a lack thereof would be 392 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:29,640 Speaker 1: more accurate, right, like they complete absence of that. 393 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 2: Well, unfortunately, people on Gaza are blocked. They are all 394 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:37,600 Speaker 2: and they are not allowed to leave Gaza with any 395 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:41,800 Speaker 2: kind of borders. Even the people who have international passports 396 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:46,400 Speaker 2: like American, European or whatever passports, they are not now. 397 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:50,399 Speaker 2: They are not able to leave Gaza. They have to 398 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:53,440 Speaker 2: face their faith now. They are just displaced from place 399 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:58,280 Speaker 2: to another. Some people have been displaced four times and 400 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:03,320 Speaker 2: for areas different areas, and others were displaced and bombed 401 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:08,920 Speaker 2: letter So no, they are blocked. They have They are 402 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,960 Speaker 2: blocked in a like a very limited area which is 403 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:16,919 Speaker 2: under strikes the whole time. No place is safe, even 404 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 2: the Baptist hospital. They thought that it would be a 405 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:24,960 Speaker 2: Baptist hospital, hospital related to a church and so on. 406 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 2: It was strike massively cruely. More than five hundred have 407 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:36,760 Speaker 2: been killed. They were all children. Mothers are sitting just 408 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 2: as thinking that it would be a shelter for them. So, yes, 409 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,960 Speaker 2: this is the situation because there is no safe place, 410 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 2: no hospitals. If you are in a hospital, you will 411 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:49,879 Speaker 2: be bombed. If you are in school, you'll be bombed. 412 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,119 Speaker 2: If you are in a mosque if you will be bombed. 413 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:55,159 Speaker 2: If you're in a church, you will be bombed. No 414 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:57,400 Speaker 2: safe place unfortunately. 415 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:05,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's yeah, it's it's unimaginable. And like the act 416 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 1: of bombing that we were talking about this before we started, 417 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 1: but like when you're being bombed, it's very different from 418 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,199 Speaker 1: like a small art conflict or even like a you 419 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:20,680 Speaker 1: know whatever, artillery motors rockets like you, there isn't much 420 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,480 Speaker 1: you can do to be safe. It's not like there 421 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 1: is no like cover from bombs. You know that, you 422 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:28,679 Speaker 1: you there's no. 423 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:31,920 Speaker 2: By the way, there's no under ground shoulters. 424 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:33,400 Speaker 1: Yeah. 425 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:35,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, and now they are intense. By the way, they 426 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 2: were in houses houses, they were falling on their heads, 427 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 2: so they went to tense. So when they were tent falls, it's. 428 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:48,240 Speaker 1: Not so yeah Jesus, Yeah, it's it's bleak. It's yeah, 429 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:52,640 Speaker 1: it's it's unimaginable. Like I said, yeah, I just spent 430 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:53,960 Speaker 1: a week in a place that was being. 431 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:57,639 Speaker 2: Very fat protected by the sky which is full of 432 00:27:58,080 --> 00:27:59,480 Speaker 2: planes bombing them. 433 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,200 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, and every time you look up you wonder 434 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:04,399 Speaker 1: what that is and is this still time or is 435 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 1: this still one? So I think one thing people are 436 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 1: really struggling with is like overload of information missed information, right, 437 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,720 Speaker 1: just some of the worst pieces I've ever seen in 438 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:32,240 Speaker 1: opinion pieces on PLA things center social media, which are 439 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:37,000 Speaker 1: like it seems that we've returned to like peak a 440 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 1: islamophobic rhetoric of like September twelve, two thousand and one, 441 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 1: and we've learned absolutely nothing from twenty years of killing 442 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 1: and dying. So I wonder where you would recommend if 443 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,600 Speaker 1: there are members of your syndicate or other places where 444 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 1: people can find reliable and for reporting which is you know, 445 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,400 Speaker 1: fact checked, which is not overloading and with you know, 446 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:01,920 Speaker 1: like if if you go on Twitter to try and 447 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:03,640 Speaker 1: find your information at the minute, you're just going to 448 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:05,240 Speaker 1: get into an argument with someone who has the worst 449 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,960 Speaker 1: opinions in the world, and it's not good and it 450 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:10,960 Speaker 1: can dissuade you from taking action in the ways that 451 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,600 Speaker 1: you've mentioned which are actually useful. So is there a 452 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:18,240 Speaker 1: place you suggest people look for information outlets or individuals 453 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:19,040 Speaker 1: they could follow. 454 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 2: Well, who wants to know the truth will be will 455 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 2: find it. You know, the media is always any media outlet, 456 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:35,959 Speaker 2: it has its it has its mandate and vision and 457 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 2: so on. So I just advise everyone when you go 458 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,720 Speaker 2: for any outlet, media outlet, just try to read about 459 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:47,720 Speaker 2: what's what's its mandate, who's they are related to, who's 460 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:52,880 Speaker 2: they are supporting, and so on, so to know from 461 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:56,040 Speaker 2: which perspective you will know the truth. I can't tell 462 00:29:56,080 --> 00:30:00,320 Speaker 2: now the names of outlets because I am. It's not 463 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:05,440 Speaker 2: me who to decide who's who's the right one. As 464 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:07,520 Speaker 2: you know, I am, I work in a syndicate which 465 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:11,880 Speaker 2: is like a union, which is for all journalists with 466 00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:16,160 Speaker 2: all food, all at outlets, so they are all our members. 467 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,960 Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, I think that's advice so that people 468 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:23,160 Speaker 1: can take more. It's it's good advice that people can 469 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,760 Speaker 1: take more broadly, because I think people are completely unaware 470 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:31,760 Speaker 1: the ownership of some outlets that mandate there perceived biases. 471 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:36,320 Speaker 2: Yes, try to read about them, not only the New Elf, 472 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:41,040 Speaker 2: not the news itself, but try to see about this outlet, 473 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:45,560 Speaker 2: about this establishment, how it's working, what their objectives, how 474 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:48,920 Speaker 2: do they work, and what are their connections and so on, 475 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:51,640 Speaker 2: so you will know what kind of which kind of 476 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:57,200 Speaker 2: news they are covering and how do they cover it? Y. Yes, 477 00:30:57,720 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 2: this is what I can say for us as tell 478 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,320 Speaker 2: a journalist syndicate. We try now to report about journalists 479 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,440 Speaker 2: because this is our manda, this is our work to 480 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,480 Speaker 2: tell about what's going for our members, to try to 481 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:14,719 Speaker 2: get any protection for them. Actually were this appen in 482 00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:18,840 Speaker 2: this very hard condition. But we try our through our friends, 483 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:24,160 Speaker 2: through our relations to our supporters, through our memberships and 484 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:29,880 Speaker 2: so on, to have some international support for them through information, 485 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:34,120 Speaker 2: through like a flow of information telling what's going on. 486 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:37,880 Speaker 2: How many journalists have been killed, how many journals are displaced, 487 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,080 Speaker 2: how many and so on, So we try to give 488 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:44,600 Speaker 2: data those that are not. As I already told you, 489 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:47,160 Speaker 2: it's really a hard job that we are going we 490 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,880 Speaker 2: are doing now. It's getting more and more difficult. We 491 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:53,040 Speaker 2: are trying to cope, trying to develop new tools to 492 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,680 Speaker 2: cope with this hard, very hard speit situation. But we 493 00:31:56,760 --> 00:32:02,400 Speaker 2: try our maximum to be nests to get very real 494 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:07,080 Speaker 2: and true information, not to get any misleading information. There's 495 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:11,600 Speaker 2: a flow of misleading information information Even we hear about 496 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,880 Speaker 2: many journalists that they are killed, but when we try 497 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,640 Speaker 2: to make sure that we found that they are not journalists, 498 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,760 Speaker 2: we don't get them put them in our lists. We 499 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,560 Speaker 2: try to investigate as much as we can, so to 500 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:28,440 Speaker 2: put our lists to be limited to journalists, to our members, 501 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:31,120 Speaker 2: to the people who work with us, with our within 502 00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:37,000 Speaker 2: our mandad and so on, so to be credible source 503 00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:38,040 Speaker 2: of information. 504 00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:41,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's very important. I am so. I 505 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:43,720 Speaker 1: don't know if you guys shared it. I sure a 506 00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,400 Speaker 1: video early on it was well, I was still in 507 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,040 Speaker 1: Syrian courdi is down, but we were watching it a 508 00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:52,959 Speaker 1: funeral of three journalists who have been killed, and like 509 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:55,840 Speaker 1: someone was saying at the funeral that they were speaking 510 00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:57,920 Speaker 1: and there's someone else will pick up his camera and 511 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:02,000 Speaker 1: like keep documenting things. Really was very emotional for me 512 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:05,320 Speaker 1: and my friends. Yeah, it was really sad, but. 513 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:06,280 Speaker 2: Yes it is. 514 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:10,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, I believe you. It's just you know, that's the 515 00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,840 Speaker 1: thing that I do, and I see people, you know, 516 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,880 Speaker 1: dressed like me. People I know it's been very of 517 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:19,800 Speaker 1: your coverage of that has been very emotionally challenging for me, 518 00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:24,520 Speaker 1: but it should be emotionally challenging. It's terrible, but I 519 00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:27,560 Speaker 1: think people should definitely tune into it if they can. 520 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:29,960 Speaker 1: I wonder, are there like social media accounts that the 521 00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:31,600 Speaker 1: PJS has that people can follow. 522 00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:39,520 Speaker 2: Yes, we have Facebook page. It's on Facebook. Yes, it's 523 00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:44,680 Speaker 2: a Palestinian Journalist syndicate. Yeah, just and we try to 524 00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:48,480 Speaker 2: download all our news on it. Also we have our 525 00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:53,240 Speaker 2: website which is www dot PJS dot p S. Also 526 00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:56,720 Speaker 2: you can find some news statements, updates and so on. 527 00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:00,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's great, and I encourage people to to follow 528 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:04,000 Speaker 1: that they're able to. I wonder, really, is there anything 529 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:07,240 Speaker 1: else you think that people are like, anything that's been 530 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,279 Speaker 1: missing from the media narrative that you'd like people to 531 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:12,480 Speaker 1: know about the situation now in Palestine, or like the 532 00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:16,640 Speaker 1: situation more broadly that hasn't been reported on as much 533 00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:19,759 Speaker 1: as it should be. Yeah. 534 00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:23,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, I just want to add something about besides what's 535 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:27,360 Speaker 2: going on, and because even a journalists in the West Bank, 536 00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:33,919 Speaker 2: even in Palestinian journalists in Israel are facing a lot 537 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:39,520 Speaker 2: of threats, facing a lot of problems. There is a 538 00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:44,240 Speaker 2: massive campaign of arrests. So up to now one thousand, 539 00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:48,919 Speaker 2: in three days, one thousand persons have been arrested. We're 540 00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:54,120 Speaker 2: trying to find the number of journalists, which is I'm 541 00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:56,720 Speaker 2: not sure about it, but I can't give you the figure, 542 00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:58,919 Speaker 2: as I told you, because of the big number we're 543 00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:04,280 Speaker 2: trying to make who are the journalists? But a massive 544 00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:11,120 Speaker 2: arrests campaign is taking place now. Also, journalists are facing 545 00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:16,400 Speaker 2: a lot of threats about a lot of violations while covering. 546 00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:20,600 Speaker 2: Many times they are prevented from coverage, They are threatened 547 00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:25,480 Speaker 2: by weapons, They are threatened sometimes by the settlers aren't 548 00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:31,440 Speaker 2: settlers even not the army while covering many of them. Also, 549 00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:36,760 Speaker 2: they they are subject to incitement through social media pages 550 00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:41,839 Speaker 2: like spreading their photos or the and so to make 551 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:45,320 Speaker 2: a kind of excitement how to kill them or to 552 00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:49,239 Speaker 2: get rid of them and so on. So, also journalists 553 00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:54,440 Speaker 2: are facing a very hard time now. Yeah, they are 554 00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:55,480 Speaker 2: under the threat. 555 00:35:55,600 --> 00:36:01,600 Speaker 1: Yeah damn, Yeah, that's terrible and kipedian acceptable. So yeah, 556 00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:03,760 Speaker 1: I'm glad you shared that, and I think it's important 557 00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:07,080 Speaker 1: that people follow this and do whatever they can to help, 558 00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:10,600 Speaker 1: do whatever they can to to I don't know, to 559 00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:13,000 Speaker 1: encourage people to stop bombing other people, Like it's never 560 00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:17,200 Speaker 1: a good situation. People are bombing children and hopefully it 561 00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:20,000 Speaker 1: comes to an end, get it. I don't know. I've 562 00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:24,440 Speaker 1: never seen this much outgoing support for Palestine in the 563 00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:27,120 Speaker 1: United States. But I've also you know, this is an 564 00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:35,200 Speaker 1: unprecedented act of a war crimes solicated. It's very hard 565 00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:36,800 Speaker 1: to see where this is going. I suppose. 566 00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:41,840 Speaker 2: Yes, we believe that the voice is reaching maybe a 567 00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:45,600 Speaker 2: little but not that fast that that's easy, because it's 568 00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:49,720 Speaker 2: not easy. But we believe in every person who thinks 569 00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:53,640 Speaker 2: and say, no, this is inhuman I should not I 570 00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:56,200 Speaker 2: should be with those people who are under attack, who 571 00:36:56,200 --> 00:37:05,120 Speaker 2: are under under Yeah, a lot of hard life. Yeah, 572 00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:07,520 Speaker 2: it's a hard life, a lot of oppostion. 573 00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,000 Speaker 1: So yeah, when. 574 00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,320 Speaker 2: We see that as adult, when we see the demonstrations, 575 00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,480 Speaker 2: it really gives us power. It really gives us that 576 00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:18,200 Speaker 2: we have right to life. You know, this is a 577 00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:21,279 Speaker 2: minimum right that we need people to tell us, Yes, 578 00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:22,480 Speaker 2: you have a right to life. 579 00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:25,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's it's nice to hear, you know it. 580 00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,680 Speaker 1: It's like if you can feel that you're helping, even 581 00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:32,200 Speaker 1: just helping people feel like a little bit, you know, elevated, 582 00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:34,799 Speaker 1: a little bit better, a little bit less despairing, because 583 00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:36,359 Speaker 1: I can see how it would be very easy if 584 00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:40,640 Speaker 1: you're stuck in Gaza to feel like the world's abandon 585 00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:43,920 Speaker 1: you because it has to a large degree, right, the 586 00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:47,960 Speaker 1: world's allowed this to happen, and it's you know, it's 587 00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:55,160 Speaker 1: not it's American bombs, American plaints dropping bombs unfortunately. Yeah. 588 00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,359 Speaker 1: So I think that's really good to hear. It's good 589 00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:01,600 Speaker 1: to hear that that has made some difference. Thank you 590 00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:03,480 Speaker 1: so much for giving us some of your time. I 591 00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:04,239 Speaker 1: know it's thank you. 592 00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:07,360 Speaker 2: Thank you, Jams, thank you for having me with you. 593 00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:11,480 Speaker 2: I wish you all good luck. Thank you, Thank you 594 00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:16,279 Speaker 2: all who listener listeners to this podcast. I hope that 595 00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:20,200 Speaker 2: I was able to give you an overview of what's 596 00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:24,799 Speaker 2: going on. And let's pray that this violence will end 597 00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:25,560 Speaker 2: very soon. 598 00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,640 Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, yeah, indeed, let's thank you very much. 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