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Speaker 1: Hi. This is Laura Vandercamp. I'm a mother of five,

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Speaker 1: an author, journalist, and speaker. And this is Sarah Hartunger.

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Speaker 1: I'm a mother of three, a practicing physician and blogger.

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Speaker 1: On the side, we are two working parents who love

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Speaker 1: our careers and our families. Welcome to Best of Both Worlds.

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Speaker 1: Here we talk about how real women manage work, family,

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Speaker 1: and time for fun, from figuring out childcare to mapping

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Speaker 1: out long term career goals. We want you to get

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Speaker 1: the most out of life. Welcome to Best of Both Worlds.

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Speaker 1: This is Laura. This is episode two hundred and thirty seven,

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Speaker 1: which is airing in mid February of twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to be interviewing Anandi Rahman Kreith, who is

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Speaker 1: a longtime listener of Best of Both Worlds. We always

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Speaker 1: love to have our listeners on as guests. We know

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Speaker 1: a lot of you are doing amazing things combining work

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Speaker 1: and life. And she has had a great career in

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Speaker 1: the tech industry for various pathways through various forms of

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Speaker 1: flexible work over the years at a company that wasn't

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Speaker 1: always into the idea of flexible work, but made it

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Speaker 1: work for her because they wanted to keep her, and

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of our listeners have had similar experiences.

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Speaker 1: So she's going to talk about that and all about

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Speaker 1: her great rest of her life with you know, raising

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Speaker 1: adventurous children who do things like go to China on vacation,

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Speaker 1: and you know, her scrap booking, which is also really

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Speaker 1: cool too. So Sarah, speaking of combining work in life,

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Speaker 1: how are you holding up? This has been a hard week.

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Speaker 1: Readers of my blog will definitely know that I'm going

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Speaker 1: to share something funny that happened, which is that I

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Speaker 1: was like, So, the funny thing is, I think sometimes

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Speaker 1: people think I am only talking about my stress on

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Speaker 1: the blog, but like that I'm somehow quiet at work.

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Speaker 1: But that's certainly not the case. And I was like,

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Speaker 1: in the middle of ranting and raving about oh, I

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Speaker 1: your blog. Well, you aren't really very anonymous, I have

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Speaker 1: to say, and I know that, and nothing in there

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Speaker 1: I think it's funny that people think I show up

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Speaker 1: and don't make my concerns known. No. I love my office,

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Speaker 1: I love my job. I love the clinical aspects of

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Speaker 1: my job. I get very stressed on call, so I

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Speaker 1: am working on figuring out ways to hopefully make those

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Speaker 1: trying to minimize even if the work part doesn't even

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Speaker 1: would be a really great start. Yeah. I mean, I've

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Speaker 1: been reading your blog forever, as your manager has as

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Speaker 1: well apparently, but you know, it's it's been something. I

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Speaker 1: know you've been brainstorming strategies for a great many years

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Speaker 1: think it's that you're kind of you know, there's people

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Speaker 1: who are like compartmentalizers. I mean, I think you like

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Speaker 1: And I think you don't like that. I mean, not

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Speaker 1: don't like it for that aspect. No, you're absolutely right,

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Speaker 1: And you know, compared to when my kids were younger.

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Speaker 1: well almost every day. That's not a bad time frame

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Speaker 1: are delighted to welcome Anundy Ramen Kreith to the program.

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Speaker 1: She is a Best of both Worlds listener, which is awesome.

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Speaker 1: People who have listened to Best Laid Plans heard her

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Speaker 1: I'm so excited to be here. Yeah, So why don't

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Speaker 1: where people get that. But as you said, it's a

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Speaker 1: it was a rough schedule, you tried it, moved on

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Speaker 1: to other things later, which brings me to the chummy.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you guys have done a lot of interesting

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Speaker 1: different iterations in terms of with your girls, you know,

435
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Speaker 1: different schooling. I knew you were homeschooling for a while too, right,

436
00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:07,840
Speaker 1: that was an iteration in there is talking about that. Yes.

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Speaker 1: So we had moved to California to kind of a

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Speaker 1: more rural area, and so basically your neighborhood school was

439
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Speaker 1: the school you went to. There weren't a lot of choices.

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Speaker 1: There weren't a lot of private schools in the area

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Speaker 1: or anything like that. So we were super excited because

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Speaker 1: it was a neighborhood school you could walk to, and

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Speaker 1: we thought everything was all set and we were going

444
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Speaker 1: to live there forever and it was all done. But

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Speaker 1: we quickly found that our older daughter, it just was

446
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Speaker 1: not a good fit for her school wise. She wasn't

447
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Speaker 1: challenged enough. She was starting to check out. And so

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Speaker 1: they school had offered her a grade skip over the summer,

449
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Speaker 1: and I'm like, Okay, I guess we can try that.

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Speaker 1: It was kind of something I was hoping to avoid,

451
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Speaker 1: but we figured we would try that, and it was,

452
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Speaker 1: you know, it was helpful, but not entirely helpful for her.

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Speaker 1: And so halfway through her fourth grade year, and this

454
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Speaker 1: was the beginning of twenty nineteen, we decided to pull

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Speaker 1: her out to homeschool. And so California has an interesting

456
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Speaker 1: sort of hybrid homeschool approach where you can sign up

457
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Speaker 1: with a charter school, and this one happened to be

458
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Speaker 1: through our neighboring school district, and they provide you with

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Speaker 1: a teacher that you meet with either once a week

460
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Speaker 1: or once every two weeks, and they make sure that

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Speaker 1: you're going through all the stuff that you need to,

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Speaker 1: you know, all the subject areas, and we kept logs

463
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Speaker 1: of what we did, and so that was like kind

464
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Speaker 1: of a good way. It was like homeschooling with training meals,

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Speaker 1: so you know, we knew we had to cover these areas.

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Speaker 1: They would give us, you know, whatever materials we needed,

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Speaker 1: they would order things for us. It was fabulous and

468
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Speaker 1: I was able to do that. At the time, I

469
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Speaker 1: was working as a contract employee part time, so I

470
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Speaker 1: think I was working thirty hours and so that worked

471
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Speaker 1: pretty well. But I'll say that it worked well because

472
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Speaker 1: our daughter is very motivated and focused, so I could

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Speaker 1: do my work. She would go down her list for

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Speaker 1: the day and take care of it, and she was

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Speaker 1: motivated because once she finished her list, she could do

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Speaker 1: whatever she wanted. So, you know, from nine to twelve,

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Speaker 1: she would focus on her work and then she would

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Speaker 1: be done. And then one day a week she had

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Speaker 1: like a full day of school where she would go

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Speaker 1: to this school and have activities and you know, art

481
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Speaker 1: class and science lab and all these things. And so

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Speaker 1: it was you know, kind of four days a week

483
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Speaker 1: of homeschooling and one day a week of actual school.

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Speaker 1: And it worked really well for us, you know, and

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Speaker 1: we continue to do that, of course, until COVID ruined everything.

486
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Speaker 1: So yeah, and it worked, but we continued. Then obviously,

487
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Speaker 1: once COVID hit, we had both kids at home and

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Speaker 1: then we you know, we had to do remote school

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Speaker 1: for the younger one. We continued with the same homeschooling

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Speaker 1: for the older one, and then the following year, the

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Speaker 1: younger one signed up at a virtual school for the

492
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Speaker 1: year of you know where I think before the vaccine

493
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Speaker 1: was available for COVID, and that was more structured. It was,

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Speaker 1: you know, she gets assignments from the school. They were

495
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Speaker 1: set up to run automatically as a virtual school, so

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Speaker 1: they only had classes for maybe two hours a day

497
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Speaker 1: with plenty of breaks, and then she would get a

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Speaker 1: list of things she had to complete, and that was

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Speaker 1: much more hands on. She had to sit my younger

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Speaker 1: one had to sit in my office because otherwise she

501
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,359
Speaker 1: would get distracted and she needed somebody to chat with

502
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Speaker 1: while she was doing her work. That was hard for sure,

503
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Speaker 1: And so you know, I think it really depended on

504
00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:10,200
Speaker 1: the kid. If I needed to homeschool her, it would

505
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Speaker 1: have been hard to put in kind of a full

506
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Speaker 1: day of work at the same time. But at this

507
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Speaker 1: point we were in COVID times and so you know,

508
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:20,440
Speaker 1: everybody was struggling with the same thing. Yeah, exactly. Well, similarly,

509
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:22,760
Speaker 1: it seems that you know, adults with remote work and

510
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:26,240
Speaker 1: kids with you know, homeschooling, it can be some people

511
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:29,840
Speaker 1: it's a better fit than others, and you just have

512
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Speaker 1: to match the person out of that. I have to say,

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Speaker 1: your your daughters to me, sounds just incredibly sophisticated, and

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Speaker 1: I know that you've done a lot of international travel

515
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Speaker 1: with them. One thing that you know, Sarah and I

516
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Speaker 1: both thought was so cool is you've taken each daughter

517
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Speaker 1: on an international trip solo. Why don't tell our listeners

518
00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:48,679
Speaker 1: a little bit about that. Sure, it kind of happened

519
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,360
Speaker 1: by accident, So I had this dream when they were

520
00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:54,239
Speaker 1: babies that I would, you know, we would go on

521
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:57,200
Speaker 1: this massive international trip every year, and so we started

522
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Speaker 1: when my older one was two and I was pregnant.

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Speaker 1: We went to Ireland for three weeks and it was great,

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Speaker 1: it was lovely, except that I had huge morning sickness

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Speaker 1: the whole time I was there, and a really bad

526
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Speaker 1: sinus infection, and so my husband kind of got stuck

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Speaker 1: with most of the childcare things, and I saw a

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Speaker 1: lot of the inside of our airbnb because I was

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Speaker 1: too sick to go anywhere. So that was a little disappointing.

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Speaker 1: And then on the flight back, I think my husband

531
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Speaker 1: was traumatized because two hours into a nine hour flight,

532
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Speaker 1: our two year old decided she was just done, and

533
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Speaker 1: so he had to walk her up and down the

534
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Speaker 1: plane for the better part of seven hours. And so

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Speaker 1: he was like, I'm not going anywhere until these kids

536
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Speaker 1: are older, and so, you know, I was like, Okay,

537
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:41,920
Speaker 1: that's fine, because that was really hard. But around the time,

538
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Speaker 1: I think the year my daughter was about to turn seven,

539
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Speaker 1: I kind of got the itch to go somewhere again,

540
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Speaker 1: and I was like, I think we can try it now,

541
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Speaker 1: you know, they're a little older. They were seven and four,

542
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Speaker 1: and my husband's like, our four year old is not

543
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Speaker 1: ready for this. So he's like, why don't you take

544
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Speaker 1: the older one somewhere and I'll take the young to

545
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 1: see my parents in Arizona. I was like, okay, this

546
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 1: is great, we can do this. So I let her pick.

547
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,360
Speaker 1: I narrowed the choices just like you do with Toddler's

548
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,359
Speaker 1: and you pick, you know, two things you're happy with.

549
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 1: I let her pick between Scandinavia and Japan, and she

550
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Speaker 1: decided that she liked Scandinavia because of the idea that

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00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 1: in the summer the sun was out for longer and

552
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 1: she could stay up late. So I was like, okay,

553
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Speaker 1: that sounds great. So we had some friends that lived

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Speaker 1: in Denmark, and so we kind of made plans to

555
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,399
Speaker 1: stay with them over a weekend. And then I hired

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Speaker 1: a travel agent to kind of help us plan the

557
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:37,400
Speaker 1: itinerary to see, you know, places in Norway as well

558
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Speaker 1: as go to Stockholm. So she kind of planned an

559
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Speaker 1: itinerary just as far as like how many days we'd

560
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 1: be in each place and the transport between the places,

561
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:49,119
Speaker 1: but everything else was kind of up to us, and

562
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 1: I did a lot of it on the fly, like

563
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:52,199
Speaker 1: we would just wake up that day and say, hey,

564
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Speaker 1: what do we want to see here? And it was amazing.

565
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Speaker 1: Like I did not realize. I was a little apprehensive

566
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Speaker 1: about traveling alone internationally, but it really it was super fun.

567
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:05,439
Speaker 1: You know. I realized pretty quickly that you have to

568
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,399
Speaker 1: travel at kid pace, like I can't see three different

569
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Speaker 1: things in one day. Like we needed to come back

570
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 1: and rest in the afternoon, even though she wasn't napping,

571
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,440
Speaker 1: like just all that walking was unusual for both of us,

572
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:18,199
Speaker 1: so it was good to have a break and we

573
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 1: just you know, I would check in with her. You know,

574
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Speaker 1: we had one whole day where we just laid around

575
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Speaker 1: in the hotel room and watch reruns of Project Runway.

576
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 1: And she still talks about that, so you know, like

577
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 1: we were in Stockholm and we're watching this show. But

578
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 1: she thought it was great, So yeah, it was. I mean,

579
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,680
Speaker 1: it was a really great experience, and so I didn't

580
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 1: really deliberately plan to do it again. But then when

581
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:43,679
Speaker 1: my younger one was six, my parents told me that

582
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Speaker 1: they were going to visit my cousin who was working

583
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Speaker 1: in China, and asked if we wanted to come, and

584
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Speaker 1: my husband did not really want to come. He said,

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00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 1: you know, we already had a trip planned later in

586
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 1: the year, and so he didn't think all of us

587
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 1: should go. He's like, but if you want to take

588
00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:00,199
Speaker 1: our younger daughter, then I should do that. Cause she

589
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 1: was learning Chinese at the time at her elementary school.

590
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 1: So I was like, huh, that sounds a little bit scary,

591
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 1: but okay, Like this is the kid that is not

592
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:11,639
Speaker 1: as good at flexibility and traveling, and you know, she

593
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 1: kind of has a little more need for routine and

594
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 1: things like that. But I was like, all right, let's

595
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,239
Speaker 1: give it a try. And it was again, like an

596
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 1: amazing experience, Like I don't get that much one on

597
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:24,239
Speaker 1: one time with either of them, so it was, you know,

598
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,400
Speaker 1: to really be on our own in another country where

599
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 1: we didn't know very many people, was really cool. And

600
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:31,920
Speaker 1: just to find out, you know, what are the things

601
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 1: she finds interesting. I'd hand her my camera and she

602
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 1: would take cool pictures of stuff I would never think

603
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 1: to take pictures of. So it was a really I mean,

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00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 1: it was a very cool experience again to kind of

605
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 1: experience that through you know, the eyes of a six

606
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 1: year old. So yeah, sounds amazing. I mean, not knowing

607
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 1: Chinese does seem like it would be our Vanderin would

608
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 1: would be a challenging way to travel, entirely surprising how

609
00:28:58,000 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 1: many signs were in English. I think because they had

610
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 1: had really a couple of years before, so everything in

611
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 1: the subway was also in English. At the airport and

612
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 1: that sort of thing. But yeah, I mean we actually

613
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Speaker 1: relied on my six year old to do things like

614
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 1: ask for a fork or get napkins and things like that.

615
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 1: So her teacher had actually spent a little bit of

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Speaker 1: time teaching her some basic things like where's the bathroom

617
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 1: and so yes exactly. So I was like, hey, can

618
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 1: you ask that guy where the bathroom is? She would

619
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 1: do servis yes. Yeah, that's wonderful. Wow, that is impressive.

620
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 1: And it's interesting you said, like taking good photos of

621
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 1: something photos you wouldn't have thought to take. You people like,

622
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 1: what what photos do you think to take? But Anundy

623
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 1: has a pretty amazing scrap booking thing going on. Her

624
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 1: scrap booking game very strong, if anyone follows her on Instagram.

625
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 1: You've been doing scrap booking in sort of high level

626
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 1: for a great many years. So tell us a little

627
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 1: bit about that. That you know, where you make the

628
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 1: time for this and what you've done with it over

629
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 1: the years. Yeah. So I started in twenty twelve, just

630
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 1: before my younger daughter was born, and it I mean

631
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 1: I had before I would to say, before two thousand

632
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:12,959
Speaker 1: and seven, I had no hobbies at all. My hobby

633
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 1: was work. I would just work more. And somewhere around there,

634
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 1: I got a little burnt out on work and I

635
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 1: was like, I need to find something else that I

636
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 1: like to do. And so I actually started making jewelry

637
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 1: and taking classes to learn how to do that. And

638
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 1: it was really fun and I really enjoyed it. But

639
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 1: there's only so much jewelry, I mean, like I can

640
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 1: make it, but then it starts to pile up, Like

641
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 1: I could give it to people as gifts, but you

642
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 1: only have so many ears, right, And so I'm like, okay,

643
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 1: I kind of you know, and I kind of learned

644
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 1: about scrap booking, and you know, it took a while,

645
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 1: maybe four or five years. Around twenty twelve, I started

646
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Speaker 1: scrap booking and I just fell in love with it.

647
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Speaker 1: It's I did mostly you know, kind of paper scrap booking,

648
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 1: and it was a kind of a good relief to

649
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Speaker 1: get away from the computer. I spend all day in

650
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Speaker 1: front of a computer for work, so it was nice

651
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 1: have something that was very tactile and hands on. You know,

652
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 1: I got stickers and glue and paper and things. You know,

653
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Speaker 1: I loved it like and when you love something like that,

654
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Speaker 1: you just make time for it, right, every opportunity I

655
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Speaker 1: would get, I would, you know, spend some time I

656
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 1: had you know, I had an office that was also

657
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 1: my craft space, and so you know, every opportunity I

658
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 1: could find, I would be in there. And you know,

659
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Speaker 1: if you do something a lot, you get pretty good

660
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Speaker 1: at it. And so at some point I decided when

661
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 1: there was a period where I wasn't working, and so

662
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 1: I decided I would try to scrap book for other people.

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Speaker 1: And so I started a little business making small scrap

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Speaker 1: books for other people, usually baby books, but I did

665
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 1: a couple of wedding albums as well, and it was

666
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 1: really fun. You know, people just give me a dump

667
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 1: of all their pictures from the event or from you know,

668
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 1: their kids first five years, and I would kind of

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Speaker 1: sip through them and figure it out and talk to

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Speaker 1: them about what was important and what they wanted to capture.

671
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 1: And that was really fun, but it was also a

672
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 1: lot of very time consuming and it basically kept me

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Speaker 1: from doing my own scrap booking, and so I miss that,

674
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 1: and so once I went back to work, it wasn't

675
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 1: really feasible to spend that kind of time on other

676
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 1: people's scrap books, and so I kind of decided to

677
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Speaker 1: stop doing that, But I still continued my own scrap booking,

678
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 1: and I've kind of branched out as well into digital

679
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Speaker 1: scrap booking. I don't have as much of an version

680
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 1: to the computer anymore. I can scrap book on my iPad.

681
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 1: There are even apps on your phone to be able

682
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Speaker 1: to do it, and it's just, I mean, it's just

683
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 1: so nice to have a hobby that is not work related.

684
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 1: I do now read more than I used to, for sure,

685
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 1: But there's something different about scrap booking, Like it really

686
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 1: feels like it's something that I'm consciously making time for.

687
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 1: And I can tell when I haven't been doing it

688
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 1: for a while, like I feel kind of unhappy, like

689
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 1: something's missing. So I don't consciously like set aside time.

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00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 1: But now that my girls are older and can entertain

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Speaker 1: themselves and they can be in another part of the

692
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 1: house without me worrying about what they're doing there. You know,

693
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Speaker 1: I feel like my time has opened up dramatically, and

694
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 1: so you know, I could probably scrapbook for four hours

695
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 1: straight on a weekend and not you know, have to

696
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Speaker 1: worry about what else is happening in the house, which

697
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 1: is pretty amazing. Heaven't. We'll get there eventually, you will. So,

698
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Speaker 1: I mean a lot of our listeners do listen to

699
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 1: Sarah's other podcast, Best Life Plans, and heard you on

700
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 1: there talking about your digital organization systems. But for for

701
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 1: you know, the listeners who who don't yet listen to

702
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 1: Sarah's podcast but should, or you know, maybe people who

703
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 1: missed that episode, could you just give us a quick

704
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Speaker 1: rundown of how you keep the Creath empire going between

705
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 1: the you know, all of you guys and all the

706
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 1: stuff you have going on. Yes, we are, as you

707
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Speaker 1: might imagine, very technology dependent on this. So I talked

708
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 1: a little bit or a lot about my system in

709
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 1: Trello with Sarah, and that's sort of more personal for me.

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Speaker 1: So it's all the things that I need to do

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00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 1: pretty much in my life except for work, and so

712
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,239
Speaker 1: that's one place where I keep you know, things like

713
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 1: I need to call for a pediatrician appointment. That kind

714
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 1: of stuff just stays in trello until I get it done.

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00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 1: It's my to do item. But my husband and I

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Speaker 1: have a shared Google calendar, which we are now sharing

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Speaker 1: with our older daughter, you know, on her various devices,

718
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 1: and that's where we put down things that will affect

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Speaker 1: the family, like, so he doesn't have my whole work calendar,

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Speaker 1: but if I have a meeting during the time that

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Speaker 1: I'm supposed to pick somebody up, you know, I'll put

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Speaker 1: that on there so that he knows he needs to

723
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Speaker 1: do pickup. We still talk about it, I mean day

724
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Speaker 1: to day on who's picking up who and what time.

725
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 1: But the calendar really helps cause he's right now actually

726
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 1: interviewing for jobs, and so he'll put those on the

727
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Speaker 1: calendar and I'll see, oh, on Thursday, he's got an interview,

728
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Speaker 1: so I need to do school pickup. And that shared

729
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 1: Google calendar we've had probably for ten years now, and

730
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 1: it's worked really, really well. We put school events on

731
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 1: there and all those kind of shared family things. The

732
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:55,239
Speaker 1: other thing that we do, and I think I picked

733
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 1: it up from your podcast, is that we have one

734
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 1: shared email that we use with all the schools and

735
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 1: any activities, so that both of us see whatever's coming through,

736
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 1: Like there's still somebody one of us that's kind of

737
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 1: the point person for whatever that activity is. Like he

738
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 1: takes I mean, it's very gendered. He takes the sports

739
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 1: and I take the language classes or whatever. But like,

740
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:17,959
Speaker 1: at least we can see it. I can say, hey,

741
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 1: like the coach said, we need to bring snacks or

742
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,319
Speaker 1: you on it, and that kind of thing. It's been

743
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 1: really helpful to have that because there will be times

744
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 1: where he'll miss something and I'll say, hey, did you

745
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 1: see that, And He'll be like, oh no, let me

746
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 1: go look for that, and vice versa. So that shared

747
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 1: email is really great. Then the other person who we

748
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Speaker 1: like to affectionately refer to as a member of our

749
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:41,840
Speaker 1: family is Alexa, our Amazon Echo dot. We have a

750
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 1: whole network of them in our house, and when the

751
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 1: girls were doing virtual schooling during COVID, we would set

752
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 1: up that Echo Dot with all the reminders of what

753
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:54,360
Speaker 1: time they needed to log into class. We still do

754
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 1: that for school, like there's a you know, obviously there's

755
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:58,399
Speaker 1: an alarm when everybody needs to get up to get

756
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 1: ready for school. It's pretty at six am here, and

757
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 1: then there's another one that goes off at six fifty

758
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 1: five am to tell them to put shoes on when

759
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 1: it's time to walk out the door. I kind of

760
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 1: got tired of reminding them the same things every single

761
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 1: day and being the timekeeper, so we let Alexa be

762
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,919
Speaker 1: the bad guy now and it works really well. They've

763
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 1: started to ignore the reminders a little bit, which is

764
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 1: making me a little sad, but we're working on that.

765
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 1: But mostly they do listen. So so it turns out

766
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Speaker 1: that they can. They can ignore Alexa just as they

767
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 1: can ignore Mom. They can, yes, so humorously when we

768
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 1: don't have an Alexa, but we were at somebody else's

769
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Speaker 1: house once who did. And this was when my now

770
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 1: seven year old was probably about three, and he kept

771
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 1: calling it Charlotte. He could not remember that its name

772
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:50,839
Speaker 1: was Alexa's awesome Charlotte. Charlotte. It wouldn't do anything right,

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00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 1: that's excellent. So, out of curiosity, if your husband's interview

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Speaker 1: is he mostly looking for remote stuff? Do you think

775
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:01,239
Speaker 1: this is gonna, you know, continue being like a too

776
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 1: remote family, or you know you're open to doing other stuff.

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00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 1: He is strongly preferring remote work. And I think he's

778
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 1: a software engineer, so that should be pretty easy to

779
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 1: come by. I think he basically he's been working remotely

780
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 1: since twenty fourteen, I think, and he's basically decided he

781
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 1: never wants to go back into an office every day again.

782
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:23,840
Speaker 1: So and for him it works really well because he

783
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 1: needs a lot of long focused time to write code,

784
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:28,919
Speaker 1: and so it's a lot easier to get that at home,

785
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 1: I think than in an office full of cubes with

786
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 1: other people. So yeah, totally agree. I can't imagine going

787
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 1: into an office every day. No, it would just it's

788
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 1: like Gail, totally kill me. But you know, I know

789
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 1: people do it and some people love it, so you

790
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 1: know what would tear away for this? Like different people? Yeah,

791
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:49,280
Speaker 1: different people like different things. We are not those people.

792
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 1: This is been awesome. I love hearing about you know,

793
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:54,319
Speaker 1: the strategies. You guys see what I sent everything. So

794
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 1: we always end with a love of the week. I

795
00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 1: can go first, although I know you can listen to

796
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 1: the show, so you knew this was coming. Yes, So

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00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 1: my love of the week is a very non Phoenix

798
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:10,280
Speaker 1: related thing is ice skating. So here in the East

799
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 1: Coast where it is cold during winter, we can do

800
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,919
Speaker 1: outdoor ice skating on certain in certain places, and so

801
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 1: there's a rink that we like to go to and

802
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 1: it's so fun to just be out and you know,

803
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 1: moving around. And I really like it. And I got

804
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 1: to say, I thought my children liked it more than

805
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 1: possibly they do. But it's like, oh, I'm doing this

806
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:30,240
Speaker 1: for the kids. No, I'm not doing it for the kids.

807
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 1: It's me. So now that I know that, I'm like, wow,

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00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 1: you know, I could just like take an afternoon off

809
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:38,720
Speaker 1: and go do it. And I could just go ice skating, yes,

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00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 1: and not have to worry about, you know, lacing up

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Speaker 1: children's ice skates. I was a bit surprised how old

812
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 1: of my children I needed to help with that. But

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Speaker 1: you know, Socaz, I love ice skating. It's a lot

814
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:54,799
Speaker 1: of fun. How about you? All right? I have a

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00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 1: very fluffy recommendation. I have a recommendation for the style

816
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 1: book Up And this is an app where you basically

817
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 1: create an inventory of your wardrobe and then you can

818
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 1: record each day what you're wearing. You can use it

819
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 1: to make outfits. But the part that I like the

820
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 1: best is this data. So they have data on like

821
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:18,399
Speaker 1: you could see what haven't I worn in the last year?

822
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 1: What have I never worn? You know, what is the

823
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 1: cost per weare of this item? So you put in

824
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 1: how much you paid originally, and then it divides up

825
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:27,840
Speaker 1: by the number of times you've worn it. I'm like

826
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 1: such a nerd that I think that's really fun. So

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Speaker 1: I've been using it and as of today, I think

828
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Speaker 1: I've been logging my outfits for five hundred and sixty

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Speaker 1: one days. Wow. Wow, I don't do anything again since

830
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 1: since I follow you on Instagram, there was like a

831
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 1: challenge right where you were trying to put together outfits

832
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:51,879
Speaker 1: that were like vaguely Disney inspired but weren't like costumes. Right,

833
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:55,919
Speaker 1: there's okay, it's a whole thing, right, So it's called

834
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 1: Disney bounding. And I didn't totally realize the extent of this,

835
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 1: but there are people who this like almost every day,

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00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 1: I think, and there's hashtags and everything you can follow.

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00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 1: But yeah, the idea is that you take a character,

838
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 1: figure out what colors they wear, and then figure out

839
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 1: how to make an outfit that's inspired by those colors.

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00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 1: And so I'm in a Facebook group that does these

841
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 1: outfit challenges and this was one of them, and I'd

842
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 1: never tried it, and it turns out I have a

843
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 1: lot of different colors and I could make lots of outfits.

844
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 1: And my girls thought it was super fun. So I

845
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 1: would make them guess every morning who I was supposed

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00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:30,800
Speaker 1: to be and they were pretty good at it, So, yeah,

847
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 1: it's fun. I don't know if I could really handle

848
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:35,439
Speaker 1: that every day. That was a lot of planning and

849
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 1: preparation and sometimes wearing things I wouldn't wear together, but

850
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:42,799
Speaker 1: it was fun to do for a week. Yeah, well,

851
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 1: you need to look like Elsa. I guess that's right.

852
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 1: You gotta find that blue. You gotta find that blue somewhere. Yeah,

853
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 1: and I work remotely, right, so nobody really sees me,

854
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 1: so it's fine. Yeah, it's fine. You can look like

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00:40:55,200 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 1: whatever any of jasmine exactly. Anandy, this has been awesome.

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00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 1: I mean, is there someplace that our listeners who did

857
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:08,280
Speaker 1: want to connect with you could could find you? Sure?

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Speaker 1: The only real social media I uses Instagram. I'm on

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Speaker 1: A D R C A N A N D I

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Speaker 1: RC wonderful. Well please check that out and thanks so

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00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 1: much for coming on. We really appreciate it. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: This was really fun. All right, Well, that was amazing.

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Speaker 1: I love talking with her and Sarah, I actually got

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Speaker 1: to talk with Anandy about her planning system for Best

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Speaker 1: Laid Plans. And so if you have not listened to

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Speaker 1: that episode, I do think I plug it in the

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Speaker 1: interview if I'm remembering correctly, But if I didn't or

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Speaker 1: you missed that part of the interview, please go check

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Speaker 1: that out. So Best Laid Plans from a few months ago.

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Speaker 1: So our question for today dealing with professional issues as

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Speaker 1: we've been talking about with this episode, Sarah, do you

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00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:58,360
Speaker 1: have a good rubric for deciding if a professional opportunity

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00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:02,879
Speaker 1: is good as an worth it or not. I think

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Speaker 1: I say yes to too much at this point, and

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Speaker 1: I think I finally reached a point where I am

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Speaker 1: starting to say no more. I actually said flat no

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Speaker 1: to two things. It happened to me during my call weeks.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if that was part of it. One

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00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:18,919
Speaker 1: was my hobby related It was like a podcast guest

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00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 1: appearance that might have been fun but would have taken

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Speaker 1: some work to prepare and I just didn't have the

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00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 1: bandwidth right now. And another was a professional speaking invitation

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00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 1: that again, like I wasn't that excited about it, and

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Speaker 1: I was sort of like, I don't really get that

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Speaker 1: much out of this, so I'm gonna just say no

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Speaker 1: this time. And I'm not used to saying no. And

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Speaker 1: both times I found myself like editing my email like, wait,

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Speaker 1: I don't have to apologize. No, I think I still did.

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00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:46,720
Speaker 1: I mean, I said something like I'm sorry, this doesn't

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Speaker 1: I'm not able to fit this in right now. Thank

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00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 1: you so much for thinking of me. That was like

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Speaker 1: my mind. No, that's good, that's good. Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: it's you know, certainly when you know people are deciding

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Speaker 1: should I go to this conference? Like, you know, with

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Speaker 1: this me be worth going to? Would you know this

896
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 1: all sorts of learning opportunities? Is it worth you know,

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Speaker 1: showing my face and X Y or Z. I think

898
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:11,319
Speaker 1: there's a couple of questions you can ask. A good

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00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 1: one is always like would I do this tomorrow? So,

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Speaker 1: especially the further something is in the future, the more

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00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:19,800
Speaker 1: it feels like you are assigning it to somebody completely

902
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,919
Speaker 1: different who will have far more than twenty four hours

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00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:24,399
Speaker 1: in the day and won't be like you at all,

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Speaker 1: so she'll be happy to do it, unlike you, who

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Speaker 1: will not. But if you find yourself you know, thinking

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00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:33,240
Speaker 1: that way, Just ask yourself, would I do this tomorrow?

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Speaker 1: And if the answer is no, no, I would not

908
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Speaker 1: do this tomorrow, then that should be your answer for

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Speaker 1: basically any point. You know, because you know how you

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00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:42,959
Speaker 1: will feel tomorrow in a way that it's just hard

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00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:46,240
Speaker 1: to identify how you'll feel six months down the road.

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00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 1: I think another thing, if you find yourself talking yourself

913
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Speaker 1: into it, that's also probably a bad idea. You know,

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Speaker 1: there are a great many things in life that we

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Speaker 1: are truly excited about, and we tend not to have

916
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 1: to talk ourselves into those things that we are truly

917
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 1: excited about. But if you're sitting there saying, well, oh,

918
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Speaker 1: maybe it would be good on my resume to do hex,

919
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 1: like when if you last used your resume for something,

920
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just like you, it's okay, it's okay,

921
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Speaker 1: just let it go. More things that you'll be more

922
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:18,360
Speaker 1: excited will come into your life. But I mean the

923
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Speaker 1: flip side of that is true, like if you find

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Speaker 1: yourself like really excited about it, but you're just a

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Speaker 1: little bit anxious because maybe it's outside your comfort zone,

926
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Speaker 1: it's not something you've done before. You know, maybe like

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Speaker 1: it's it's a little bit of a stretch for you

928
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Speaker 1: like this, that's probably a good yes, that's a good yeah.

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Speaker 1: So if you find yourself excited about it, but you're

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Speaker 1: just a little bit nervous or anxious, like, don't let

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Speaker 1: the nervousness and anxiousness keep you from taking the risk

932
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Speaker 1: and trying it, because you'll probably be happy you did.

933
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Speaker 1: So you know, you can also like picture yourself on

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Speaker 1: the other side of it, like, am I going to

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Speaker 1: be happy to have done this? You know, even if

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Speaker 1: it was tomorrow, would I be happy to have done this?

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Speaker 1: And if the answer is yes, then then it might

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Speaker 1: be worth giving it a shot. And I think where

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Speaker 1: you are in your career might matter as well. I

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Speaker 1: definitely feel like when I was first starting out, I

941
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Speaker 1: think it was really good to say yes to things

942
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Speaker 1: because then you get to meet more people, people understand

943
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Speaker 1: where your competencies and strengths are, and you're just sort

944
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Speaker 1: of getting your name out there and being seen as

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00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 1: a person who, hey, like, she does things. But then

946
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Speaker 1: as you've done a lot of things and now you

947
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 1: have a lot of things in her plate because you've

948
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Speaker 1: become that person, I am that person. I think then

949
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:23,919
Speaker 1: you have to start saying no because you literally run

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Speaker 1: out of self and hours in the day, only so

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Speaker 1: many as we keep learning. All right, well, this has

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Speaker 1: been best of both worlds. We've been talking to Annandi.

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Speaker 1: Sorry Anundi Rahman kraith I butchered it in the thing

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Speaker 1: too and she was very gracious about it. But long

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Speaker 1: time best of both worlds listener. Wonderfully organized person, so

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Speaker 1: many facets with the tech career and the scrap booking

957
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 1: which I'm just personally obsessed with. I love looking at

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Speaker 1: her pictures on Instagram, but please go check that out.

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Speaker 1: We'll be back next week with more on making work

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Speaker 1: and life fit together. Thanks for listening. You can find

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Speaker 1: me Sarah at the shoebox dot com or at the

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Speaker 1: Underscore Shoebox on Instagram, and you can find me Laura

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Speaker 1: at Laura vandercam dot com. This has been the best

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Speaker 1: of both worlds podcasts. Please join us next time for

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Speaker 1: more on making work and life work together.