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Speaker 2: They run the most man covers in the entire league.

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Speaker 2: It's always difficult to tell what Bill Bill Belichick's going

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Speaker 1: of one to ten. How is that live read? I'll

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Speaker 1: give you.

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Speaker 2: I'll give an a point five most because I'm a

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Speaker 2: big fan of Audible. I gotta check out that Naate

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Speaker 2: silverpiece you're talking about, fellow Chicago alum. Let's go Nate, Yes, nice, nice, Okay.

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Speaker 1: Let's look to the Patriots side of the ball, the

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Speaker 1: Patriots offensive line against the Rams front seven. Let's start

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Speaker 1: with the run blocking. How do you think those units

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Speaker 1: match up.

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Speaker 2: I think the Pat's got the advantage and a line

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Speaker 2: of scrimmage, and I think we should be looking at

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Speaker 2: this Rams defense a little like the Chiefs, honestly. I mean, look,

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Speaker 2: the Rams finished the season right ninth and dboa against

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Speaker 2: the run, sorry night can debo against the pass twenty

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Speaker 2: eighth and debo against the run. Chiefs were twelfth against

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Speaker 2: the pass and thirty two against the runs. So look,

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Speaker 2: Dominican Sue Aaron Donald, they're monsters in the middle. But

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Speaker 2: and we've seen the Rams have an above average run

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Speaker 2: defense and ad Justin Lanyard's up the middle, but things

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Speaker 2: are tough on the outside, and that's where the Patriots

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Speaker 2: can really thrive. I think they're pretty much good run

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Speaker 2: the ball everywhere. They're third and overall and Justin rottanniars

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Speaker 2: perrush but number six over left end specifically. You know,

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Speaker 2: I think we did see the Saints do a better

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Speaker 2: job of exploiting that than the Cowboys. I'm not sure

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Speaker 2: if it'll be you know, consistent outside sweep to Sony

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Speaker 2: Michelle and all that to take advantage of this, but

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Speaker 2: you know, these these James White, Alvin Kamara type passes

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Speaker 2: that you know go down as the pass, but we're

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Speaker 2: more or less just seeing an extended stretch play to

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Speaker 2: off the end, to get away from some of those

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Speaker 2: stalwarts up front. From the Rams, I think is the

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Speaker 2: way we'll see the Patriots go.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I kind of disagree a little bit. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I so I get the logic of everything you're saying,

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Speaker 1: but I think they've really toughened up over the last

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Speaker 1: few weeks. I've been impressed with what the the interior

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Speaker 1: duo of Donald and Sue have done. And uh, I

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Speaker 1: don't know, like I always get a little hesitant about splits,

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Speaker 1: but like the defense is just difference with a let

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Speaker 1: me rephrase all that, the defense is different with a

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Speaker 1: key to lead back, and I think with him back,

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Speaker 1: they're able maybe to commit a little bit more to

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Speaker 1: stopping the run. But I mean, like the Cowboys were

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Speaker 1: a running team, like that's what they wanted to do.

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Speaker 1: Everything they do is predicated on the run, and Donald

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Speaker 1: and Sue were just able to shut that down. And

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Speaker 1: the Saints also, I mean, they were better than the Cowboys,

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Speaker 1: but like they still struggled. They weren't able to do

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Speaker 1: what they wanted to do. On the ground, and I

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Speaker 1: think a lot of that again had to do with

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Speaker 1: Donald and Sue. Uh, and you know, then you have

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Speaker 1: brokers who kind of rotates in and out. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think those three guys, especially Donald and Sue,

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Speaker 1: I mean it, I don't know, like there's nothing there's

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Speaker 1: nothing imposing. There's nothing bad about the interior of the

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Speaker 1: Patriots line, but there's nothing really imposing about it. Like

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Speaker 1: Shaq Mason is pretty good, but like Thuni and Andrews, like,

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Speaker 1: I think those guys can probably be beaten. And I

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Speaker 1: don't know, like will, I will just be curious to

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Speaker 1: see how it is, and maybe it is with runs

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Speaker 1: to the outside, but I will be curious to see

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Speaker 1: how it is that they approach those two guys, because

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Speaker 1: I think Donald and Sue can win the matchups in

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Speaker 1: the middle.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good point with Tale being back too.

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Speaker 2: I'm I'm not sure if there's a specific Rams player

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Speaker 2: or coach, but they didn't mention against the Cowboys that

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Speaker 2: kind of have in their secondary of full strength. They

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Speaker 2: were able to devote extra attention to the lion of

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Speaker 2: scrimmage and kind of, you know, dare the Cowboys to

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Speaker 2: beat him? Through the air. I just think that. I mean,

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Speaker 2: come on, we've seen Tom Brady just dice up any

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Speaker 2: defense in the league. I think if they do try

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Speaker 2: to commit extra defenders and the lion of scrimmage like

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Speaker 2: they were able to do against the Cowboys, They're gonna

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Speaker 2: have a lot harder time doing that. But they also

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Speaker 2: did just go to Super Dome and hold the Saints no.

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Speaker 2: Twenty three points, So yeah, a lot of respect to

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Speaker 2: what they've been able to do, and they have improved

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Speaker 2: throughout the season. The Dominicans Sue especially Man, he's just

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Speaker 2: been a different beast in the playoffs. I think might

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Speaker 2: have been saving himself a little bit more than we

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Speaker 2: thought in the regular season.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and let's so let's talk about the pass blocking

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Speaker 1: because I think as good as Donald is as an

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Speaker 1: interior pass rusher and like one of the best that

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Speaker 1: the league has ever had, I think he will actually

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Speaker 1: make more of an impact as a run stopper than

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Speaker 1: a pass rusher because the Patriots have just been getting

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Speaker 1: the ball out so quickly, and I think it's easier

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Speaker 1: to kind of scheme to neutralize pass rushers, you know,

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Speaker 1: by moving the pocket a little kind of you know, misdirection. Like,

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Speaker 1: I think there are lots of things that they can

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Speaker 1: do to neutralize the pass rush, but talk about what

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Speaker 1: you see in the pass blocking versus the pass rushing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's going to be an issue with

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Speaker 2: block Donald, I thinking all facets of the game. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean, like you said, Brady just gets rid of

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Speaker 2: the ball so dan quick that he might be able

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Speaker 2: to neutralize the whole thing. I am concerned that this

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Speaker 2: pressure is going to be coming up the middle from

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Speaker 2: Donald and Suit. I mean it's a lot harder for quarterbacks,

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Speaker 2: I think, to deal with that pressure in your face

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Speaker 2: when you're not able to step up into the pocket.

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Speaker 2: But I mean we did see against in that Chargers game.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Bosa Ingram were you know, kind of stuff

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Speaker 2: to be Brady's kryptonite and he's got the ball outs

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Speaker 2: then fast that there wasn't really much they could do.

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Speaker 2: Overall this year the fourth quickest release time among all qbs,

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Speaker 2: and only Ben Roethsuperman. The Steelers had a lower pressure

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Speaker 2: rate overall. So even if I think the Rams probably

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Speaker 2: do have an advantage up front with Brockers, Donald and

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Speaker 2: Sue all those guys. Yeah, I think Brady's just gonna

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Speaker 2: be able to get the ball out too quick to

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Speaker 2: really allow them to be able to do too much.

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Speaker 2: I guess the you could say, the big kind of

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Speaker 2: point for the Rams would be then to try to,

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Speaker 2: you know, obviously build a lead and then kind of

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Speaker 2: force prede out to take more shots downfield and deeper dropbacks.

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Speaker 2: But it's just tough to do. Man. We'll see how

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Speaker 2: it works out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, let's talk about the Patriots pass catchers

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Speaker 1: versus the Rams pass defense. Edelman, Hogan, Gronkowski, All these

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Speaker 1: guys are like above three, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 1: Andy of them could retire at any moment and it

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Speaker 1: wouldn't be a surprise. But these these are the guys

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Speaker 1: getting it done. How do you see all this? And

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Speaker 1: then of course James White coming out of the backfield.

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Speaker 1: I think, you know, White, he's probably top three, top

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Speaker 1: five maybe pass catching running backs in the league. I

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Speaker 1: think probably top three. But there are some other guys

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Speaker 1: who are really good. How do you see these units

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Speaker 1: stacking up?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Shout out to James White, owner of a two

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Speaker 2: to three most receptions in the playoff game in NFL history, shoosh.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, so they've not had four games without Josh Gordon,

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Speaker 2: We've kind of seen them fully embrace this kind of short,

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Speaker 2: efficient passing attack that Brady's more or less been using

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Speaker 2: for the last twenty years. But in those four games,

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Speaker 2: Julian Edelman has thirty nine targets, James White has thirty two.

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Speaker 2: Then we have a drop off Hogan's at twenty three,

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Speaker 2: Gronks at seventeen, and Dorset and Burke Ketterer at twelve.

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Speaker 2: I think the one auxiliary guy that we got to

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Speaker 2: keep an eye on this week is Philip Dorsett. He's

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Speaker 2: scored in three straight games without Gordon. He's got legit

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Speaker 2: four to three speed. I mean, he's a big play guy,

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Speaker 2: and he's facing the Rams defense that has allowed the

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Speaker 2: third highest explosive pass play rate this season. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: they've been better at the leave, but they still have

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Speaker 2: allowed plenty of big plays. My big question is, you know,

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Speaker 2: if the Rams again do a good job of taking

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Speaker 2: away of one receiver, that being Edelman, who's gonna be

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Speaker 2: the next big beneficiary. And you know, Mike Thomas, bigger,

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Speaker 2: more athletic guy and joined Edelman, but they both kind

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Speaker 2: of occupy similar areas of the field and they're route running.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I would that would seem to indicate, you know,

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Speaker 2: James White's him for another James White game. You know,

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Speaker 2: I don't. I don't have a big kind of reason

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Speaker 2: to think that would be otherwise, how do you see

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Speaker 2: a plan out?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think that the the Rams have the

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Speaker 1: linebackers to be able to stick with James White. And

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Speaker 1: it feels like this is like the third game in

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Speaker 1: a row where I'm like, this is a James White game,

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Speaker 1: but it's.

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Speaker 2: Not James White season.

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Speaker 1: Man. Yeah, yeah, that's true. That's true. They've never relied

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Speaker 1: on a running back as a pass catcher more. But

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Speaker 1: you know, like Baron Littleton, like, I don't think those

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Speaker 1: two guys can keep up with White out of the backfield.

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Speaker 1: On top of the fact that, like I think the

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Speaker 1: Patriots are creative in how they scheme to get the

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Speaker 1: ball to their guys anyway, So I think, like, even

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Speaker 1: if it were an even playing field, Baron and Littleton

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Speaker 1: couldn't keep up with White. But I don't think it

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Speaker 1: will be an even playing field when they're getting the

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Speaker 1: ball to White in space. I agree that Edelman. I

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Speaker 1: think it's it's a tougher matchup for him. I like

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Speaker 1: the idea. I think you're right, like Dorset, you know

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Speaker 1: who he's gonna burn. It's going to be Peters, you know,

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Speaker 1: like that's and that's like very possible. And and then

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Speaker 1: for me, one of the questions is, like Gronk is

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Speaker 1: he going to be able to produce when he's matched

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Speaker 1: up against one of these safeties or you know, maybe

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Speaker 1: at points he can get a matchup against the linebacker.

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Speaker 1: I think he can win there, but Johnson and Joiner,

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Speaker 1: like those are two very good safeties. I wouldn't say

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Speaker 1: like that's the best safety duo in the league, but

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Speaker 1: like it's it's up there. I think a lot of

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Speaker 1: it will be predicated on how much he can win

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Speaker 1: against those two, because if Edelman is shut down and

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Speaker 1: they're not able to get as much going to Hogan, Uh,

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Speaker 1: someone has to step up and it can't all be

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Speaker 1: James White, So some of it I think has to

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Speaker 1: be Gronkowski. So yeah, I will be for me, that's

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Speaker 1: kind of like the matchup for the Patriots offense to

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Speaker 1: see like how much Gronk can have success against linebackers

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Speaker 1: and safeties.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I agree with these rams safeties. Joiner and

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Speaker 2: Johnson are both I think probably definitely definitely better than

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Speaker 2: what the Chiefs are trotting out just because Eric Berry

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Speaker 2: he was able to play, but I mean this, I

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Speaker 2: think he only played two or three games the whole season.

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Speaker 2: They're talking about offseason surgery. Wasn't particularly a surprising to

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Speaker 2: see Gronk kind of be able to get up on

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Speaker 2: over you know, a limited Eric Berry, whereas Joiner Johnson

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Speaker 2: much more athletic. I think we're gonna see similar challenges

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Speaker 2: to what Gronk face against the Chargers and Durham James.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I guess it'd be tough for Gronk big

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Speaker 2: going as well.

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Speaker 1: Okay, what do you think is the biggest mismatch. Let's

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Speaker 1: say for the Patriots in their advantage, what do you

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Speaker 1: think is the biggest mismatch?

646
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Speaker 2: I think it's this run game on the edge. Man,

647
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 2: it could you know, we could have seen just a

648
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Speaker 2: ton of James White. I'm with you there. But going

649
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Speaker 2: back to these linebackers for a sec, I mean, Corey

650
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 2: Litlton's solid and he's made some big plays about two

651
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 2: hundred and forty pounds, but Mark Barn's pretty much a

652
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 2: converted a hybrid safety. He's only two hundred and fifteen pounds. Yeah,

653
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Speaker 2: let's play some big boys football again, New England. Get

654
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Speaker 2: James devil in there and see if you can wear

655
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Speaker 2: them down a little bit front. So again, I mean

656
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Speaker 2: Donald and Sue, if they're going to keep being complete

657
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 2: game wreckers, that that idea could be tough. Rams get

658
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 2: up early, that could be tough. But I do think though,

659
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Speaker 2: you know, Pats, just based on the number, is their

660
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Speaker 2: best advantage here is attacking the edge of the rumgain.

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Speaker 1: I think that makes sense, and I mean that is

662
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Speaker 1: the way to neutralize Donald and too just not even

663
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Speaker 1: to worry about them, just just run it away from them.

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Speaker 1: For the Rams, what do you think is their biggest

665
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Speaker 1: mismatch edge?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's Gurley against these slow moving Pats

667
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Speaker 2: linebackers in the passing game. Again, we haven't quite seen

668
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Speaker 2: it in recent weeks, but we've seen enough of Gurley,

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Speaker 2: you know, in the screen game and even downfield over

670
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Speaker 2: the last two seasons to make me think that it'd

671
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 2: be crazy for McVeigh not to go back to that

672
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Speaker 2: route this week.

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Speaker 1: Okay, the NFL Draft it is approaching. I mean it's

674
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Speaker 1: months away, but it is approaching. You know, thirty teams

675
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Speaker 1: are already looking ahead to the draft, and ian you

676
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Speaker 1: have a piece that will be coming out shortly as

677
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Speaker 1: people are listening to this, the piece will probably be out,

678
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Speaker 1: but we're going to preview that piece. It is looking

679
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Speaker 1: at the team needs for all thirty two NFL franchises.

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Speaker 1: Let's give a little preview of that. I want to

681
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Speaker 1: talk about let's say maybe the top three the top

682
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Speaker 1: five teams picking in the draft. So we have the Cardinals,

683
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Speaker 1: the forty nine Ers, the Jets, and then after that

684
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Speaker 1: the Raiders in the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Let's start with

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals. What are the biggest needs that they have?

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Speaker 1: And obviously, as a kind of way of framing this conversation,

687
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Speaker 1: it doesn't necessarily work out always that a team drafts

688
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Speaker 1: for need. Sometimes you know, they just they can't move

689
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Speaker 1: down or you know, they don't maybe have a big

690
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 1: need a position, but they take there anyway because you

691
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Speaker 1: know that's the best player in the draft or something

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Speaker 1: like that. But team needs the Cardinals, what did they need?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a good disclaimer there, because if the

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Speaker 2: Cardinals don't trade down at the I mean I assume

695
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 2: they're gonna take Nick Bosa even if edge defender isn't

696
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 2: our top need here. But yeah, offensive tackle, wide receiver,

697
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 2: and cornerback my top three needs for the Cardinals here.

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Speaker 2: I mean, they just couldn't keep Rosing up right all season.

699
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 2: Only Rosen the seam, Watson and Josh Allen were pressured

700
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 2: on at least forty percent of their dropbacks. Love Larry Fitz,

701
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 2: but I mean he's thirty six years old now, it's

702
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 2: oh man, it's got to be some point for him.

703
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 2: Christian Kirk flash as a rookie a little bit, but

704
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 2: with all due respect to your boy JJ Nelson, I

705
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 2: don't think the rest of the receivers offer much starter potential.

706
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 2: And then on defense, and you can put edge defender

707
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Speaker 2: here a kind of similar thing where Chandler Jones is

708
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 2: the beast, but they don't have a great guy across

709
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 2: from him. I think the same problems in the secondary

710
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 2: at Patrick Peterson. He's still playing on all world level,

711
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 2: but other than Buddah Baker, really not any other above

712
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 2: average UD defenders in that secondary.

713
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Speaker 1: All Right, the forty nine ers man two teams in

714
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 1: the same division that really bombs this year. What do

715
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Speaker 1: you see is their needs?

716
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think go get some more wide receivers. Jimmy gq'

717
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 2: is gonna be back next year. We'll see if he

718
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 2: carries the same preseason hype after suffering that injury. But

719
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 2: I mean, Dontrey Pettis looked pretty dan good then the season.

720
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 2: He was the overall PPR wide receiver eight in weeks

721
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Speaker 2: twelve through fifteen, with Nick Mullens kind of centered there.

722
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 2: But Pierre Garsoon thirty two years old, think they'll move

723
00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 2: on from him, and Marquis Goodwin probably a little better

724
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 2: off as a field utcher than a kind of number

725
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:04,479
Speaker 2: one receiver. Ruben Fossler situation left the forty nine ers

726
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 2: pretty weak at linebacker. None of their remaining players even

727
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 2: cracked the PFF's top fifty players at their position. And finally,

728
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 2: the secondary. I mean, Richard Sherman had a really good

729
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 2: first half of the season. It's still okay in the

730
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 2: second half, and I don't think he's the problem there,

731
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 2: But everywhere else, yeah, there's a problem. I mean, they

732
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 2: were twenty seventh overall and past DVOA, and they didn't

733
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 2: even rank like top sixteen against a single position. They

734
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 2: were just pretty much bad across the entire secondary. So

735
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Speaker 2: just get some more athletes in that secondary, like they've

736
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Speaker 2: kind of been added to the D line over the years.

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Speaker 1: All Right, the Jets are picking third, They got their

738
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 1: quarterback last year and seem darnold, what do they need

739
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 1: to do this year?

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00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 2: I think I'm higher on the Jets kind of weapons

741
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 2: than most. I think addressing the offensive line is a

742
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 2: bigger issue for them right now. They were number eighteen

743
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 2: and Justin Sachery and number twenty three and pressure rate allowed.

744
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 2: I mean, Robbie Anderson, Quincy and numbwoe. Chris Herndon. We

745
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 2: never quite saw him all gel together, but we did

746
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 2: see him flash separately. So I'd like to see what

747
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 2: they all can do after an offseason together. D line,

748
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 2: just getting more talent back on there. I mean, this

749
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 2: was the strength of the Jets for years, Muhammad Woke,

750
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 2: Sheldon Richardson. I mean, it was kind of helped revolutionize

751
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 2: the whole past funnel idea. But now all they have

752
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 2: left is a former number six overall pick, Leonard Williams.

753
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 2: They don't have another top two round pick on defensive line,

754
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,479
Speaker 2: so especially a new scheme with Todd Bowles, gone, go

755
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 2: ahead and get some more talent there. They're not cornerback.

756
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 2: I think Tremaine Johnson's a worthy number one cornerback, but

757
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 2: Mory's Clayborne and complete liability buster Scrying the slot are

758
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 2: both free agents, so they'll need to improve their secondary

759
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 2: as well.

760
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 1: He's played so poorly that I pronounced his last name screen.

761
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 1: That's really what it should like it. Okay, the Raiders

762
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 1: are picking forth in addition to the first round picks

763
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Speaker 1: that they have later because of the trades to the Bears,

764
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 1: Andy Cowboys. What do you see as I mean, they

765
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 1: have needs all over, but like, what do you see

766
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 1: is their three biggest needs?

767
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, well two of them. They need to go ahead

768
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 2: and replace the guys that they got those first round

769
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 2: picks for a receiver and pass rush I mean also,

770
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 2: I mean Jared Cook was based on the number one

771
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 2: receiver last season. Now he's a free agent. So unless

772
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 2: you feel like volting around Jordan Nelson Seth Roberts, I

773
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 2: think you can go go ahead and over all the

774
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 2: entire receiver predict position, then pass rush. I mean, goodness, gracious,

775
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 2: thirteen sacks last season. That's the second lowest in NFL

776
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 2: history since nineteen eighty two among teams that played at

777
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 2: least sixteen games, and oh my god, I.

778
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:13,439
Speaker 1: Mean, man, that's bad.

779
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd like to see him address that. Maybe Josh

780
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 2: Allen for Kentucky with that number four pick, because I

781
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 2: think the pass rush was the single worst part of

782
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 2: the Raiders roster last season, and then lastly this in

783
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 2: the secondary. I'm not giving up on a twenty seventeen

784
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,800
Speaker 2: first round pick, Garon Conley just yet, he's been injured.

785
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:29,799
Speaker 2: But these other guys, I mean, Leon Hall have been,

786
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,880
Speaker 2: ad Been, Wickery, Darryl Worley, Sean Noven was pretty good

787
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 2: in Indy. But these other guys, We've seen them go

788
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 2: to multiple teams now and not really be good anywhere.

789
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 2: So I think Bruden can kind of remove some of

790
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 2: his preconceived notions about these guys with his new GM.

791
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 2: We'll see revamps secondary as well.

792
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 1: Picking fifth the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, what do you see

793
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 1: as their biggest needs?

794
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 2: I'm team Jamis here and from what I've heard from

795
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 2: Bruce arians he seems to be as well, so I

796
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 2: don't think that's an immediate position and need for them.

797
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 2: I think instead, let's try to make the offensive line

798
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:00,839
Speaker 2: a little better around Jamis. Maybe even get a run

799
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 2: game in Tampa would be nice. They were thirty first

800
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 2: and adjusted lanyards for rush last season, weren't great at

801
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 2: protecting Jamis. Both of their starting tackles ranked outside of

802
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:10,959
Speaker 2: PFF's top forty players at their position, and then looking

803
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 2: at defense, pash rush was just really bad. They only

804
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 2: the Raiders and Falcons had a lower pressure rate. They

805
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,280
Speaker 2: signed Jason Pierre Paul and Vinnie Curry in the offseason

806
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 2: last year, and high of them really worked out and

807
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:21,800
Speaker 2: they can move on, So w one a piece of

808
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,360
Speaker 2: surprise to see a new group there. And then the secondary,

809
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 2: I mean, Brent Grins was a number one cornerback and

810
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 2: he literally refused to travel with number one wide receivers

811
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 2: at the end of the season because he didn't think

812
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 2: he was being paid enough. So assuming you don't want

813
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 2: that guy back in your locker room, we got pretty

814
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 2: much some rookies they picked up last season, you know,

815
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 2: showed a little bit, but just a whole lot of

816
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 2: unproven commodities in that Tampa Bay secondary. I think we

817
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:44,799
Speaker 2: could maybe see gree Williams of one of these top

818
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 2: cornerbacks go to them at number five.

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820
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Speaker 2: Not me.

858
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 1: When I work, I put on a hoodie. I have

859
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 1: an extensive collection of hoodies, and now that mac Weldon

860
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 1: hoodie is my favorite. I like the material in the

861
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 1: way it's cut. It's like wearing a glove, except on

862
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 1: my torso. It's a torso glove. The mac Weldon hoodie

863
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 1: is basically my power suit. What I'm saying is that

864
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 1: you need to get yourself some mac Weldon for twenty

865
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 1: percent off your first order. Visit macweldon dot com and

866
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 1: enter the promo code action at checkout. Ian, how is

867
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 1: that live? Read?

868
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 2: That was?

869
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:03,360
Speaker 1: Okay?

870
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:05,840
Speaker 2: That was electric? But one thing, Man you said, like

871
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:07,879
Speaker 2: putting on hoodies for work. I got a hoodie on today.

872
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 2: I didn't even get out of the road yesterday, so

873
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 2: I feel I can get a hoodie on, Like that's

874
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:12,320
Speaker 2: an achievement for me.

875
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:16,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly taking off the road and putting on the hoodie. Yeah,

876
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:19,800
Speaker 1: that is definitely your version of a power suit. Okay,

877
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 1: I have a mock draft that will be coming out

878
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 1: at some point as you are listening to this, it

879
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 1: is maybe already out. So I'm going to give kind

880
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 1: of some previews of the mock draft and kind of

881
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:32,840
Speaker 1: thinking about this first round in general. And Ian, you

882
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 1: mentioned some of these guys and you talked specifically about

883
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 1: some of these defenders. It is a good year for

884
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:41,800
Speaker 1: the defensive line, a good year for defenders in general,

885
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 1: not a good year for quarterbacks. Not a good year

886
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:47,239
Speaker 1: for running backs. The running back smash year is going

887
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 1: to be twenty twenty. A number of really good college

888
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 1: backs who will be coming out then, But not a

889
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 1: good year if you're really looking to address your running

890
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 1: backs or your quarterbacks. It is a good probably not

891
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 1: a great year for why receivers, but it maybe could

892
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 1: be a great year for wide receivers. Like there are

893
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 1: i'd say anywhere from it's just hard to know how

894
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 1: this breaks down, but anywhere from like one to five

895
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,840
Speaker 1: guys who could be first round wide receivers. And I

896
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 1: know that is a really wide range right now, but

897
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 1: we just kind of have to see how these guys

898
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 1: test at the combine, what size they are, what happens

899
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 1: in free agency, just things like that. But it could

900
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 1: be I think at a minimum, it is a good

901
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:29,799
Speaker 1: year for wide receivers. It could be a great year,

902
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 1: and on the offensive side of the ball, that is

903
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 1: one of the strengths. The real strength though, on the

904
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 1: offensive side of the ball is tight end. This is

905
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:42,760
Speaker 1: a fantastic year for tight end. You have two guys

906
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 1: coming out of Iowa, which is sort of like tight

907
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 1: end University at this point, like two guys who could

908
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:52,319
Speaker 1: be potential first or second rounders at the position, a

909
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 1: number of young underclassmen declaring for the position. So I mean,

910
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 1: no one it's interesting because no one thinks, oh, we've

911
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 1: really got to get a tight end to make this

912
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 1: offense go. But like you can see what someone like

913
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:10,759
Speaker 1: Travis Kelcey does for the Chiefs or what you know,

914
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 1: George Kittle did for the forty nine ers, there are

915
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 1: a number of guys like that who are in this

916
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 1: draft class. So this could be a really exciting year.

917
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:24,799
Speaker 1: And like a good tight end, like he really transforms

918
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 1: your offense because if the defense goes small, then you

919
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:30,720
Speaker 1: can run the ball right and then if the defense

920
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 1: is playing too much of a run defense, then you

921
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:37,319
Speaker 1: can exploit them with your tight end. So it is

922
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:41,319
Speaker 1: a really interesting year for that position. There literally could

923
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 1: be like seven tight ends who are taken in the

924
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 1: first two rounds, you know, maybe eight taken in the

925
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 1: first three. Like that is very possible. So as strong

926
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 1: as the tight end class was just a couple of

927
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,719
Speaker 1: years ago. You know the class where David n joke

928
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 1: it was coming out and you had Evan Ingram, you

929
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:00,880
Speaker 1: had three tight ends go in the first round. We

930
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 1: could see something very much like that again this year,

931
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 1: So that is kind of exciting. Ian. Do you have

932
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:11,359
Speaker 1: any kind of big picture thoughts on like the composition

933
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:12,799
Speaker 1: of this draft class.

934
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've heard a lot of things he just said,

935
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:17,840
Speaker 2: especially a tight end. I mean, I know Iowa, and

936
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:21,240
Speaker 2: it's cool how they got the the one guy's more complete,

937
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 2: and then we got Noah who's freaking freak athlete times

938
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 2: one hundred trillion. So I think the big thing here

939
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:29,439
Speaker 2: with these tight ends coming in just identifying which ones

940
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:31,399
Speaker 2: are you more in line guys and which ones could

941
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:33,799
Speaker 2: be basically a slot receiver at the next level. I

942
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 2: mean a big example that was in Baltimore's last year.

943
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 2: I mean Mark andrew was more or less a slot

944
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 2: receiver with Baker Mayfield and Oklahoma, and then we saw

945
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 2: Hayden Hurst kind of be the more of the blocking type.

946
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 2: So Andrews ended up being obviously the guy we wanted

947
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 2: more in fantasy. So I do think, you know, if

948
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 2: one of these tight ends is able to kind of

949
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 2: go to a team it's a week at receiver. Maybe

950
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 2: they have enough talent to you know, be a year

951
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 2: one Evan Ingram type where they're actually top two three

952
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:58,759
Speaker 2: receive them in their offense, because I mean, we've seen

953
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 2: those guys be undervalued and the dfs again and again

954
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 2: and again, these tight ends that just have these massive

955
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 2: receiving roles. So definitely looking forward to seeing some of

956
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 2: these guys the combine.

957
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 1: I mean, I haven't gotten there yet in my mock draft,

958
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:13,360
Speaker 1: but I feel pretty strongly I'm going to be giving

959
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,799
Speaker 1: the Patriots a tight end wherever it is, pick thirty one,

960
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 1: pick thirty two, I'm going to be giving them a

961
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:20,799
Speaker 1: tight end there because I think there will be a

962
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 1: player of value there and I think that is a

963
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 1: pretty clear need for them. And it takes rookie tight

964
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 1: ends a while, you know, like most of the time

965
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 1: you don't see these guys do it as rookies, but

966
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:34,359
Speaker 1: you know, second year, third year, that's really when those

967
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 1: tight ends start to break out. And so you know,

968
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 1: maybe this is Gronk's last year, maybe he has one

969
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 1: or two years left, but it really would be pretty

970
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 1: fantastic for them to get another really high functioning tight

971
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:48,319
Speaker 1: end and let that guy develop for a year behind

972
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 1: or alongside Gronkowski. Let's talk about any players that we

973
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:57,399
Speaker 1: might like, maybe potentially too much. Who is standing out

974
00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 1: to you?

975
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got emotional bias times one hundred on Kyler

976
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 2: Murray right now. I haven't watched this guy since he

977
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 2: was at A and M. And I mean, just he's

978
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 2: always the fastest guy in the football field, and then

979
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:09,400
Speaker 2: we get a whole season of him pretty much putting

980
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:12,319
Speaker 2: up the same efficiency numbers as Baker Mayfield. And it's like,

981
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 2: the only bad thing I can find about the guy

982
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 2: is he's short. And you know, we've seen Russell Wilson,

983
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 2: Drew Brees, some recent guys be able to overcome that.

984
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:21,839
Speaker 2: So I'm just rooting hardcore for Kyler. And I love

985
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:24,879
Speaker 2: that he picked football over baseball. I mean, everyone, you know, Oh,

986
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 2: you're so stupid Kyler for doing this. He's making tens

987
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 2: of millions of dollars. Anyway, Let the dang guy do

988
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 2: whatever he wants do it makes you happy, Kyler, and

989
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 2: that's exactly what he's doing. So I love that. And

990
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:35,800
Speaker 2: then also, I mean, I have never seen a class

991
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:39,280
Speaker 2: of cornerbacks are better names we got Greedy Williams from LSU.

992
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:42,759
Speaker 2: There's another guy from Temple named Rocky Sin. I mean,

993
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 2: this is incredible. I'm not sure these guys have the

994
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:46,800
Speaker 2: same talent as Denzel Ward if they will be the

995
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 2: same Day One contributors. But oh boy, it's like, I

996
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,320
Speaker 2: don't know, some of the seventies and eighties cornerbacks in

997
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:54,400
Speaker 2: the NFL just decided to name their kids like the

998
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:56,880
Speaker 2: best possible names to go to the NFL. So it's working.

999
00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, you mentioned Greedy Williams there. He will, I imagine

1000
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 1: be a top ten guy in my mock draft, and

1001
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 1: I think in the NFL draft. For me, someone I

1002
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 1: didn't always like this guy, but I'm really starting to

1003
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 1: come around on him. Is Andy Isabella, wide receiver from Massachusetts.

1004
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:17,280
Speaker 1: Smaller guy, like he feels just like a future Patriot player,

1005
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 1: you know, five ten, one hundred and ninety pounds. You know,

1006
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 1: right now, I can see him going anywhere from my

1007
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 1: round four to you know, round six. But he was

1008
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:29,840
Speaker 1: a Bolitnikov finalist. It was first in the nation in

1009
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:34,319
Speaker 1: receiving yards, second in receptions, sixth and touchdowns. You know,

1010
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 1: played running back at one point earlier in his career.

1011
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 1: So he has like a diverse skill set. The thing

1012
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 1: that two things actually really intrigued me in a way

1013
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:47,720
Speaker 1: that I'm normally not intrigued by small guys who play

1014
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:51,760
Speaker 1: at smaller programs. One, he was super dominant in terms

1015
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:55,360
Speaker 1: of market share. Had forty seven point five percent of

1016
00:44:55,400 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 1: his team's receiving yardage, which is just a huge percentage,

1017
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 1: you know, for anywhere, regardless of where a guy is playing,

1018
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:06,320
Speaker 1: and then had forty eight point two percent of the

1019
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 1: receiving touchdowns that is also a really high percentage. And

1020
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:13,239
Speaker 1: then secondly, I think he's actually a better athlete than

1021
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 1: what people would maybe expect. He ran track and this

1022
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 1: is like going back to high school now, but like

1023
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:23,440
Speaker 1: in high school, he actually beat Denzel Ward uh in

1024
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 1: a track competition and it wasn't like I mean, it

1025
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 1: was like like legit, like he like he barely beat him,

1026
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 1: but he beat him like they were step for step,

1027
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:36,360
Speaker 1: you know. So like he has I think some legit ability,

1028
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 1: and maybe like Denzel Ward is just kind of like

1029
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 1: to and this is when they were seniors, you know,

1030
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 1: So maybe Denzel Ward has kind of like advanced since then,

1031
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:46,280
Speaker 1: you know, and maybe Isabella has kind of like peaked,

1032
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:49,800
Speaker 1: but like I think he has actually some legit athleticism,

1033
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 1: and even if all he is is just a slot receiver,

1034
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 1: I think he could do that in a very high

1035
00:45:57,080 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 1: level capacity. So he's someone who is really intriguing to

1036
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 1: me because I think he will go later in the

1037
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:05,800
Speaker 1: draft but ultimately could end up being someone who's really

1038
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:09,959
Speaker 1: productive for a team. Which leads me into the fact

1039
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 1: that I have my way too early rookie rankings. This

1040
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:16,320
Speaker 1: was published a couple of weeks ago. I will update

1041
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 1: those this week, and this is way too early rookie

1042
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:25,400
Speaker 1: rankings for dynasty purposes. Some big picture kind of trends

1043
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 1: about the rankings. I'm very heavy on wide receivers in

1044
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:31,880
Speaker 1: the first round. I think there's a lot of value

1045
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 1: at the running back position in rounds two and three,

1046
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 1: and I really need to rethink where and how I

1047
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:41,400
Speaker 1: rank the tight ends because since I made these rankings,

1048
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:43,919
Speaker 1: I have gained more of an appreciation for these tight

1049
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:46,239
Speaker 1: ends and I need to have many more of them

1050
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:48,359
Speaker 1: in my rankings and probably move them up. I think

1051
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 1: in general it's a good year to have picks in

1052
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:52,920
Speaker 1: round two and probably the top of round three. I

1053
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 1: think the first round isn't a great round to be

1054
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 1: heavily invested, kind of relative to the value that you

1055
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 1: could get in other years or the expected value that

1056
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 1: you can get out of rounds two and three. There

1057
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 1: are a number of I think wide receivers who have

1058
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 1: the potential to produce, like round one receivers who will

1059
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 1: be available later in the draft. And then obviously I

1060
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 1: mentioned earlier, I think some value running backs are available

1061
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 1: in the second and third rounds. The running back position

1062
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:25,399
Speaker 1: I mentioned earlier, it's kind of weak this year. There

1063
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:29,319
Speaker 1: are a few interesting guys Tyler sorry, David Montgomery from

1064
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 1: Iowa State. I think he is the most complete back

1065
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:37,880
Speaker 1: who also has liked good production this year. Josh Jacobs,

1066
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 1: you know from Alabama, someone who's getting a lot of hype,

1067
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 1: but he never really he was never a guy who

1068
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 1: put it all together and had a very productive year.

1069
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 1: But we did see other guys do that, David Montgomery

1070
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 1: being one of them. But in the second round, I

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Speaker 1: think you're going to be able to get guys like

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Speaker 1: Rodney Anderson, who is scary because of his medical history

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Speaker 1: at Oklahoma, but he was hugely productive in twenty seventeen

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Speaker 1: But he's someone who could end up being I think,

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Speaker 1: like a top five, top ten running back in the

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Speaker 1: league if he's able to stay healthy. Someone else who's

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Speaker 1: really interesting Trayvon Williams from Texas A and M. A

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Speaker 1: smaller guy but hugely productive, like productive at a level

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Speaker 1: almost unseen in the SEC. Since two thousand, only four

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Speaker 1: other SEC backs have had at least seventeen hundred and

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Speaker 1: fifty yards rushing in the season. Leonard Fournette, Derek Henry,

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Speaker 1: Trey Mason, Darren McFadden. All of those guys were top

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Speaker 1: one hundred draft picks. So I think there's some real

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Speaker 1: potential there for Williams. But like a number of guys

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Speaker 1: I expect to be available in the second round who

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Speaker 1: will offer some pretty significant upsides. So I think it's

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Speaker 1: a good time to be in rounds two and at

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Speaker 1: the top a round three for rookie drafts. Ian anything

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Speaker 1: else that I am missing here?

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Speaker 2: Thank you touched on him, man. I'm looking forward to

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Speaker 2: saying with this David Montgomery guys all about it. I

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Speaker 2: was watching in Iowa state game earlier this year and

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Speaker 2: listening to these comps feet of Saquon Barkley, vision of

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Speaker 2: Le'Veon Bell, strength of Zeko Elliott, and athleticism of Sonyo Schell.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he's awesome. I'm not taking anything away from him.

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Speaker 2: I stink it's funny sometimes he's early. Pro comparisons can

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Speaker 2: get a little bit ridiculous for these guys. But I'm

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Speaker 2: looking forward to seeing, you know, some of the Senior

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Speaker 2: Bowl stuff and combined stuff coming forward. So it's a

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Speaker 2: great time, man. NFL off season is one of my

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Speaker 2: favorite times of the year.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that comp is entirely ridiculous. Obviously doesn't even need

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Speaker 1: to be said, but yeah, Okay, what pieces are you

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Speaker 1: doing over the next couple of weeks at the Action

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Speaker 1: Network in Fantasy Labs?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I got a bunch of stuff coming up team needs,

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Speaker 2: like you said, will be out. You know, I wrote

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Speaker 2: about three thousand words Monday after Championship Sunday on every

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Speaker 2: single team's top three needs, So make sure check that out.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, we'll have a bunch of Super Bowl matchup

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Speaker 2: specific stuff coming out. I want to also look at,

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Speaker 2: you know, where's off rank among the quarterbacks that have

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Speaker 2: faced the Patriots and their Super Bowls, and also going

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Speaker 2: to check out the Patriots ever evolving Committee backfield over

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Speaker 2: the years, so make sure you check those out on

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Speaker 2: the Action Network.

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Speaker 1: All right, that is going to do it for this

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Speaker 1: episode of the Action Network NFL podcast for Ian Hartenz,

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Speaker 1: I'm Matthew Freeman, Mattathie Orkle. See you get next episode.