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Speaker 4: A lot of new developments out of Israel, particularly as
Speaker 4: it relates to Netnyahu's claims that war with Iran maybe
Speaker 4: in the offing and that the Trump administration is okay
Speaker 4: with it. This started last week with a quiet piece
Speaker 4: in the Washington Post. Israel likely to strike Iran in
Speaker 4: coming months. Warren's US intelligence.
Speaker 5: So think about the structure there US.
Speaker 4: This is it's key that this is the Washington Post.
Speaker 4: You know, this is Washington, DC's newspaper. US intelligence officials
Speaker 4: leaked to that paper that they're concerned that Israel is
Speaker 4: going to strike Iran. There was a previous assessment under
Speaker 4: the outgoing Biden administration that there was a very high
Speaker 4: likelihood that Israel would strike Iran within the first six
Speaker 4: months of twenty twenty five.
Speaker 5: At the time, the Biden administration.
Speaker 4: Weighed whether or not it would kind of publicly endorse
Speaker 4: a move like that and decided not to. Israel now
Speaker 4: say you know now saying that he really has Trump's
Speaker 4: buy in for this attack. Trump himself gave an interview
Speaker 4: with Fox News recently where he said something very similar
Speaker 4: to what Witcoff said and will Roll Wickcoff and second,
Speaker 4: Trump said, we will not allow Iran to have a
Speaker 4: nuclear weapon, and there's two ways to stop that. One
Speaker 4: is we blow up there in nuclear facilities. Two is
Speaker 4: that we get a deal. And he says he would
Speaker 4: much rather get a deal than launch launch a war.
Speaker 4: That's what you're hearing from Trump, But he's not ruling
Speaker 4: out that he would support and Israeli strike.
Speaker 5: We can.
Speaker 4: Here's Steve Whitkoff recently in an interview talking about the
Speaker 4: role that Iran is playing in these ongoing Israeli negotiations.
Speaker 5: Throll c three.
Speaker 6: Iran as the benefactor. But of course the largest issue
Speaker 6: is the nuclear and the President has said they will
Speaker 6: not get a bomb. Them getting a bomb.
Speaker 7: Is devastating to the region.
Speaker 6: It will force every other country in that region to
Speaker 6: get a bomb too. We'll have a nuclear arms race,
Speaker 6: and that simply can't happen. But the President has also
Speaker 6: said this can be solved diplomatically, and if Iran shows
Speaker 6: an interest in solving it diplomatically, the American government remains
Speaker 6: open to those discussions. And so I hope that it
Speaker 6: can be solved diplomatically because the alternative is not such
Speaker 6: a good alternative.
Speaker 4: And so we've talked about this before that all of
Speaker 4: this is happening in the context of the Israel Gaza war.
Speaker 5: And if if the if the Israeli.
Speaker 4: A salt on Gaza were the only thing that we're
Speaker 4: a kind of isolated geopolitical contest, then Trump's support for
Speaker 4: net Yahoo's ability to just wipe it off the MAP,
Speaker 4: I think would would be unchecked. Like, I totally agree,
Speaker 4: But it's happening in the context of this more regional
Speaker 4: consideration where Trump very much wants a Saudi Israeli peace
Speaker 4: deal normalization between the two.
Speaker 5: He also wants an Iran nuclear deal.
Speaker 4: I think he sees this as you know, a potential
Speaker 4: legacy item. It's deeply ironic, of course, because Obamba struck
Speaker 4: one and then Trump immediately ripped it up. But now
Speaker 4: now he believes that he can be uh you know,
Speaker 4: recognized as this great deal maker if he can just
Speaker 4: get back into the deal that he ripped up. And
Speaker 4: so it is the one thing that is giving the
Speaker 4: ceasefire oxygen and giving it, giving it legs, keeping it alive.
Speaker 4: You can put up C four here. This is from
Speaker 4: drop sites Twitter feed. So is basically is Israel, uh
Speaker 4: you know, struck and killed two police officers in Gaza
Speaker 4: who were guarding uh An aid.
Speaker 5: An AID convoy Hamas.
Speaker 4: Has said that, you know, Israel's continuing to attack and
Speaker 4: kill people inside Gaza, you know, puts the puts the
Speaker 4: ceasefire in jeopardy. They said the attack on Palatine police
Speaker 4: officers guarding AID trucks and southern Gaza quote clear violation
Speaker 4: of the ceasefire Trump quote and then says that you know,
Speaker 4: Trump should not believe that it's going to be easy
Speaker 4: to go go along with Netnyahu's idea here and Trump's
Speaker 4: idea that they're just going to clear everybody out. This
Speaker 4: is quote Trump quote has no clue about the resistance
Speaker 4: of the Palestinians. He has no clue about how the
Speaker 4: Palestinians are connected to their homeland. It's not real estate,
Speaker 4: it's it's a homeland. He argued that every time Israelly
Speaker 4: officials have spoken about the quote elimination of Hamas, the
Speaker 4: group has only grown stronger. And I do think it
Speaker 4: is accurate to say that every time Trump says that
Speaker 4: when he wants all of the Palestinians out and he's
Speaker 4: not going to let them back, his position gets weaker.
Speaker 4: You say that out loud, You're not You're not. You're
Speaker 4: not going to win people over that way.
Speaker 5: And so.
Speaker 4: That is what Trump is saying. But what Trump is
Speaker 4: actually doing is the status quote. On Saturday, you had
Speaker 4: the hostage exchange go off as planned, so you had
Speaker 4: all of this talk about war with Iran Trump and
Speaker 4: demanding that every single hostage needed to be out by
Speaker 4: Saturday or else they were going to all hell, all.
Speaker 5: Hell will break a loose again.
Speaker 4: And instead wit Cooff gets back in there and he's like, no,
Speaker 4: like we got that, We've got a deal. We're going
Speaker 4: to continue with this deal, and and so the deal
Speaker 4: goes off. So the latest news is that Yahoo, he
Speaker 4: spoke last night at this major pro Israel conference, he
Speaker 4: has authorized finally his negotiators to go back to Cairo
Speaker 4: and continue with with the negotiations toward phase two. And
Speaker 4: Phase two it's the part that Witkoff is is trying
Speaker 4: to make sure is completed, because that that is the
Speaker 4: part where all of the remaining hostages are exchanged and
Speaker 4: uh reconstruction is then supposed to begin and it's supposed
Speaker 4: to be a permanent ceasefire. The question of what role
Speaker 4: Hamas plays is the one that's being negotiated. Hamas is
Speaker 4: sending a lot of signals that they're willing to just
Speaker 4: step back right, that they're willing to demilitarize, that that
Speaker 4: that a technical uh you know that a bunch of technocrats,
Speaker 4: either affiliated with the palsitting authority or not, but under
Speaker 4: the auspices of the guarante, the guarantee of the us
Speaker 4: age of the UAE others could actually be the ones
Speaker 4: to play a role in the in the reconstruction. That
Speaker 4: they understand that that that may be the thing that
Speaker 4: that has to happen. It is telling that it is
Speaker 4: the Israelis who are the obstacle to this situation, because
Speaker 4: you know, once they make that concession, what's at that point,
Speaker 4: what's the argument from Israel that you can't allow this?
Speaker 4: Like they've said, like, you know, surrender and give us
Speaker 4: the hostages and it's over. And that's effectively what they
Speaker 4: would be saying.
Speaker 3: So what do you make of this reversion back to
Speaker 3: phase two? Because first we were first the deal was off.
Speaker 3: Now the deal is back on. Why for what purpose
Speaker 3: is it some grand deal with Iran? Because that Washington
Speaker 3: Post report is very troubling, right, is that basically the
Speaker 3: Biden people at the end of course, by the way
Speaker 3: they leak it at the internet. Like, by the way,
Speaker 3: while we were in office we discovered they wanted to
Speaker 3: attack Iran. I'm like, well, maybe you should have done
Speaker 3: something about it. But oh, right, that would be asking
Speaker 3: too much. Unfortunately.
Speaker 4: One possibility is that, So think about it this way.
Speaker 4: If Trump really does want a permanent ceasefire, Saudi Israeli normalization,
Speaker 4: and an Iran nuclear deal that costs a lot of
Speaker 4: capital with the Miriam Madelson kind of wing of his financing.
Speaker 5: So if he really does want that.
Speaker 4: What does he have to do is to build up
Speaker 4: capital first, And how do you build up capital green
Speaker 4: light by being a complete lunatic in Hey, you want
Speaker 4: to you want to ethnically cleanse all of Gaza, go
Speaker 4: for it.
Speaker 1: I'll do it for you.
Speaker 5: I'll do it for you. Yeah.
Speaker 4: So, and you see this too, went in with North Korea.
Speaker 4: You know, he'll talk about wiping them off the face
Speaker 4: of the earth, right and then and then he'll come
Speaker 4: in and do the thing he wants to do.
Speaker 5: Which is some type of So you're buying the evison.
Speaker 4: So I think if you do buy that he wants
Speaker 4: a deal here, it is it is rational that he
Speaker 4: would at this point be acting like a madman so
Speaker 4: that when Yahoo later gets screwed, Trump can.
Speaker 5: Say, look, I did everything I could.
Speaker 4: I was even willing to do full on ethnic cleansing
Speaker 4: for you, but it's just not feasible.
Speaker 5: So we have to get serious about this.
Speaker 4: And Egypt is saying that they've got a plan where
Speaker 4: it's a three to five year reconstruction, does not involve
Speaker 4: Hamas anymore in the government. UEE and Saudi will pay
Speaker 4: for it, and look, I want I would love I
Speaker 4: would love to ethnically cleanse the Palestinians even more than
Speaker 4: you would, but bbe it's just not feasible, it's not doable.
Speaker 5: And I'm not sending American troops.
Speaker 4: And when you send Israeli troops, all they do is
Speaker 4: do tik toks and get themselves killed and lead to
Speaker 4: ICC indictments and ICJ allegations of genocide and the completely
Speaker 4: just embarrassing yourself and further isolating yourself on the world stage.
Speaker 5: So look, can't do that. We're gonna have to do
Speaker 5: a deal.
Speaker 4: Like that's a best case scenario, perhaps.
Speaker 1: Right, what's the mid case scenario?
Speaker 3: Because if it's born, it's all just what I can't
Speaker 3: get my head around, is why, Because as you just said,
Speaker 3: and look, if Obama had ever say all hell will
Speaker 3: break loose and then didn't attack.
Speaker 5: Moss after they read line, can you imagine?
Speaker 3: Can you imagine what the tom Cottons and all of
Speaker 3: them of the world would look like. I've always seen
Speaker 3: Trump as somebody who talks big but never actually wants
Speaker 3: to follow me. Occasionally, you can point to a few things,
Speaker 3: the Costum Solimani killing, for example, but there were a
Speaker 3: lot of I mean, actually I was supposed to interview
Speaker 3: Trump the day. You remember that American spy plane that
Speaker 3: got shot down. It was unmanned, it like it was
Speaker 3: a Navy plane that was shot down in twenty eighteen.
Speaker 1: And I was supposed to interview him that day got canceled.
Speaker 3: And apparently what came out is that Trump had ordered
Speaker 3: a retaliatory strike that John Bolton had been pushing.
Speaker 1: But then at the last minute.
Speaker 3: He was like, Hey, you know what, we shouldn't kill
Speaker 3: any of the easy I Rannie and they didn't kill any
Speaker 3: of our people. Let's not kill kill any of theirs.
Speaker 3: Bolt and all of them were furious.
Speaker 1: He seems to be he seems to have like a.
Speaker 3: Duality inside where it's like like, on the one hand, says,
Speaker 3: we're gonna athletically, we're gonna own Gaza, We're gonna ethnically
Speaker 3: cleanse it our cell.
Speaker 1: I'll do it for you. And then on the other
Speaker 1: hand he's like, maybe we should sit with Russian and China.
Speaker 1: We'll all just cut all our military spending. You're like, wait,
Speaker 1: what things?
Speaker 5: Which one of these is true?
Speaker 1: What's going on here? So yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I'm worried about the Israel thing only because it does
Speaker 3: seem to Israel played him very well. Not only DoD
Speaker 3: have the Mirria Madelson connection, they have effectively well. Yes,
Speaker 3: Trump has pushed them around, Wick Coff and others. He
Speaker 3: does obviously accept the framing on Iran. You and I
Speaker 3: know institutionally nothing would make more political sense in Washington
Speaker 3: terms than to support it is really strike on Iran.
Speaker 3: That's where the majority of the GOP is now. There
Speaker 3: are important characters in the Trump universe JD.
Speaker 1: I would hope being one of them.
Speaker 3: But also many of the people who Trump is appointed
Speaker 3: to the Pentagon oppose the very type of strike, very
Speaker 3: strongly opposed any sort of So maybe they will win out.
Speaker 3: Are they even in the room, We don't know. And
Speaker 3: so that's what I think that the big war behind
Speaker 3: the scenes is. But I mean, look at the very least,
Speaker 3: I'm just happy let phase two go three, people stop
Speaker 3: getting killed.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 4: The risk in Trump's madman strategy, of course, is that
Speaker 4: Nenya who won't recognize it for it's just the madness
Speaker 4: that it is, and think it's real.
Speaker 5: In Nenyah's speech last night.
Speaker 4: To this this pro Israel UH conference, he said, you know,
Speaker 4: Trump's idea for Gaza has opened up possibilities for us
Speaker 4: that we never even dreams were possible, and we are
Speaker 4: going to pursue that with everything we have. So he
Speaker 4: he thinks he's taking Trump seriously and literally, and he's
Speaker 4: going to and he's going to try to take this
Speaker 4: moment to effectuate what what Trump put out as a possibility.
Speaker 4: The question is can Witkough reel him in enough and
Speaker 4: and how much agency does NETNA who actually have and
Speaker 4: we we don't know. Meanwhile, let's talk about a little
Speaker 4: bit of the reporting that's that's been coming out lately
Speaker 4: nine seven two and Israeli Investigative News out that we
Speaker 4: actually partner with them on a story about about a
Speaker 4: month ago Ryder that they you know, a lot of
Speaker 4: their stuff has to go through a sensor, so the
Speaker 4: stuff that comes out has been already you know there, Yes, yes,
Speaker 4: but so consider that when you understand, when you think
Speaker 4: about the pieces that have been coming out of there,
Speaker 4: we can put up C five. This is an investigation
Speaker 4: by Uvial Abraham in nine seven two which exposed you know,
Speaker 4: one of them more horrifying like cinematic horror film anecdotes
Speaker 4: a the IDF came across a couple in their eighties
Speaker 4: who told the Israeli soldiers that they because of their
Speaker 4: disabilities the man walks with a cane, that they were
Speaker 4: unable to evacuate the area with their with their family,
Speaker 4: and so they were still they're still in northern Gaza.
Speaker 4: They and this is according to nine seven two, And
Speaker 4: like I said, went.
Speaker 5: Through the sensor.
Speaker 4: They strap explosives around this couple and used them as
Speaker 4: human shields. They call the mosquitoes as one of the
Speaker 4: terms for them, use them as human shields, going through
Speaker 4: the neighborhood while they're you know, clearing it of of
Speaker 4: hamas fighters, and then at the end execute them. Just
Speaker 4: levels of criminality on display almost unimaginable.
Speaker 5: And this comes after nine to seven to two.
Speaker 4: Very recently reported that the IDF had discovered that when
Speaker 4: it dropped these bunker buster bombs that as a consequence
Speaker 4: of the explosion, it released an enormous amount of carbon
Speaker 4: monoxide and basically burning up all of.
Speaker 5: The oxygen in these tunnels.
Speaker 4: And so they understood that this was a conventional bomb
Speaker 4: that operated as a chemical weapon, and that if they
Speaker 4: knew or if they guessed that somebody that they were
Speaker 4: trying to kill was in a tunnel, but they didn't
Speaker 4: know within five hundred meters or more where they were.
Speaker 5: They could drop some of these bunker.
Speaker 4: Busters and it would asphixiate, it would suffocate everyone in
Speaker 4: the tunnel. They what nine seven two also reported is
Speaker 4: that there were essentially no precautions taken to make sure
Speaker 4: that there were no hostages in the area, and they
Speaker 4: know for a fact now that as a result of that,
Speaker 4: a significant number of Israeli hostages were suffocated through this
Speaker 4: through this bomb and asphyxiate strategy. Eventually they started requiring
Speaker 4: commanders to take some assessment of whether or not they
Speaker 4: were going to kill hostages, and so the killing of
Speaker 4: hostages has apparently diminished recently. But absolutely horrifying stuff coming
Speaker 4: out of out of nine to seven two.
Speaker 5: So any thoughts on any of this port we got
Speaker 5: moved to the next one.
Speaker 3: So starting to say it's just horrible, Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 3: it makes sense and it feeds or sorry. It fits
Speaker 3: with the testimony of a lot of these surviving hostages.
Speaker 4: About that that they're Noumber one fear was the end
Speaker 4: that they were the constant bombing.
Speaker 1: They could remember, they said they're like I could hear
Speaker 1: the bombs falling.
Speaker 5: Yeah, me, it's just as horrible constantly.
Speaker 4: And then two other things to talking about before we
Speaker 4: move on. Curious for your take on this. I think
Speaker 4: it's within the realm of possibility.
Speaker 3: It's if he pulls off phase two, then yes, fascinating,
Speaker 3: There's still there's a lot to be said.
Speaker 5: Fascinating political piece here.
Speaker 4: Trump privately calls Steve whitcough quote a modern day Kissinger.
Speaker 4: And if there's going to be an American diplomat who
Speaker 4: shakes up American foreign policy and actually gets something accomplished,
Speaker 4: it would stand to reason that it would be somebody
Speaker 4: that comes from out of the fold. And I think
Speaker 4: I've seen you talking about this. In some ways, international
Speaker 4: real estate is as the perfect good training grounds. It's
Speaker 4: almost as good as when Trump made Excellon CEO the
Speaker 4: Secretary of State.
Speaker 1: Although he was a terrible secretary.
Speaker 4: It turned out to be terrible, But you would think
Speaker 4: that being the CEO of Exon would actually be I'm
Speaker 4: an American difficace.
Speaker 5: I'll tell you that I'm a.
Speaker 3: Very pro Witcoff Wikkoff has all of the ingredients that
Speaker 3: you need for a great international diplomat international finance, worked
Speaker 3: in Vegas, used to putting together like complex deals. Most importantly,
Speaker 3: has the total trust of the president because apparently they've
Speaker 3: been friends for like twenty or thirty years or whatever.
Speaker 3: Forty years, yeah, forty year friendship, so actual ironclad trust,
Speaker 3: their proven track record. Now he yelled at Bebee, got
Speaker 3: him to do the at least phase one. There are
Speaker 3: a lot of hostages who owe their lives to Steve Wikoff.
Speaker 3: Whatever else happens, there are what thirty forty people and
Speaker 3: who knows how many Palestinians. You literally owe your life
Speaker 3: to Steve Wikoff. Wikoff got that guy Mark Fogel, released
Speaker 3: that Russian or the guy who was being held by Russia.
Speaker 3: He is today in Saudi Arabia with this with Secretary
Speaker 3: Rubio meeting with the Russian foreign minister to specifically negotiate.
Speaker 3: Apparently he and Putin had a long discussion about Ukraine
Speaker 3: whenever Witkoff was in Russia to secure the release of
Speaker 3: Mark Fogel. So if he does, if he gets phase two,
Speaker 3: and or if he is successful in negotiating a Ukraine
Speaker 3: piece deal, then yeah, he's absolutely the next.
Speaker 5: And you know that we won't talk.
Speaker 4: We're not going to go into what what we mean,
Speaker 4: we don't need We're not gonna we're gonna go into
Speaker 4: kisen Jiffer.
Speaker 5: Now, let's just set that aside. Last piece.
Speaker 4: Our buddy Mike Gallagher, former congressman, a lead sponsor of
Speaker 4: the TikTok bill in the House, now an executive over
Speaker 4: at Pallenteer because this is Washington, d C. That's how
Speaker 4: that goes, became the latest person involved in the effort
Speaker 4: to ban TikTok, which is now back in the app store.
Speaker 5: To stay out loud, how it was that.
Speaker 4: It got over the hump playlist clip in a second,
Speaker 4: what we don't mention here at Mark Warner, who was
Speaker 4: on the Senate.
Speaker 5: Side, the guy he already said this the icy guy, and.
Speaker 4: He's on the stage and he says, I want to
Speaker 4: hear whether Mike tells the real story, the true story
Speaker 4: of how this happened in and Gallagher did tell the
Speaker 4: true story.
Speaker 5: So let's roll this a bipartisan consensus.
Speaker 8: We had the executive branch, but the bill was still
Speaker 8: dead until October seventh, and people started to see a
Speaker 8: bunch of anti Semitic content on the platform, and our
Speaker 8: bill had legs again.
Speaker 4: And so producer Mac made it a great point when
Speaker 4: he was watching this too, because you can sort of
Speaker 4: sort of see Gollager trying to clean it up where
Speaker 4: he's like, after October seventh, that's when it got it's momentum.
Speaker 5: He's like, oh, that's not going to sound exactly right.
Speaker 4: So then he shoehorns in because there was a whole
Speaker 4: lot of anti Semitic content on TikTok. There was not
Speaker 4: a whole lot of anti Semitic content on TikTok. What
Speaker 4: there was there were a lot of videos from Palestinians
Speaker 4: in Gaza of them getting killed, named and their neighborhoods
Speaker 4: getting destroyed, and so it allowed the American public to
Speaker 4: connect directly in a parasocial way with real human beings
Speaker 4: on the ground and bypass the cable news New York
Speaker 4: Times version of what was happening. He reckcons that to
Speaker 4: anti semitism. But Max's funny point not funny. What is
Speaker 4: wait a minute, anti semitism on a social media platform
Speaker 4: is a reason to ban it?
Speaker 5: Have you ever logged onto.
Speaker 1: X x X dot com?
Speaker 5: X do I actually? Have you ever logged onto Twitter lately?
Speaker 4: It is you know, Kanye is like the moderate one
Speaker 4: on Twitter right now, it is an absolute cesspool of unadulterated,
Speaker 4: straight up anti Semitism.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't support banning anything for quote unquote anti right.
Speaker 4: But if we did, it would not be TikTok alone
Speaker 4: that would get rolled up in it. But you know,
Speaker 4: just another you know, Romney has said this before Warner blinking,
Speaker 4: So there's no mystery about what it was.
Speaker 5: It gave the final push.
Speaker 4: Yes, the national security establishment wanted to ban it before that,
Speaker 4: but they couldn't get the.
Speaker 3: I listen, I was pro banned tiktoks is twenty eighteen,
Speaker 3: even though I'll say that that's why it happened. Now,
Speaker 3: you know, sometimes you do good things for the wrong reasons.
Speaker 5: Okay.
Speaker 3: And by the way, Trump, you I don't even know
Speaker 3: why you guys are complaining anymore.
Speaker 1: You want, Yeah, it's like we are. We're the ones
Speaker 1: who sit here lost.
Speaker 4: Why are these That was what was funny And they're
Speaker 4: on that stage celebrating as if they won, Right, how
Speaker 4: did we win this victory?
Speaker 1: It's like Trump just came in. It was like, actually, no,
Speaker 1: we're not doing this all.
Speaker 4: It'd be like if the refs came in at the
Speaker 4: very end and we're like, okay, actually the chiefs.
Speaker 1: One, that's right.
Speaker 3: It was it was at one point that much of
Speaker 3: a blowout in the TikTok victory. But I knew in
Speaker 3: my heart, I always knew Trump would I gave them
Speaker 3: When Trump started talking about TikTok.
Speaker 5: The like is gabo the young people love you. No,
Speaker 5: it's not.
Speaker 1: It's not just the whole young people thing.
Speaker 3: I r L. What it is is is jeff yass
Speaker 3: is huge donor who's a huge stike whispering in his
Speaker 3: ear in mar Lago for the last four years on
Speaker 3: top of Trump.
Speaker 1: Maybe this it's what the elon thing.
Speaker 3: At the end of the day, he respects only one thing,
Speaker 3: commodity of attention.
Speaker 1: That's it.
Speaker 3: There's nothing else that he respects more in the world.
Speaker 3: Hence he's like, okay, I'm pro TikTok.
Speaker 5: So there we go.
Speaker 3: All right, let's talk about the Democrats. This is objectively hilarious.
Speaker 3: John Stewart interviewing Jensaki with some shocking moments for Jenzaki,
Speaker 3: not for everybody else.
Speaker 1: Let's take a listen.
Speaker 7: I've been shocked by how undemocratic the Democratic Party can
Speaker 7: be Tell me.
Speaker 9: What do you mean by I don't disagree with you necessarily,
Speaker 9: but what do you mean by that.
Speaker 7: By putting their foot on the scales to get you know,
Speaker 7: make sure that Hillary Clinton comes out of the thing,
Speaker 7: or make sure that you know that they're that they're
Speaker 7: listening to that anger about the way that even the
Speaker 7: ACA quite frankly struck me as a very.
Speaker 9: Concern because it didn't have a public option in it.
Speaker 7: Correct that it didn't address the very thing that was
Speaker 7: causing the foundational upset. If I were to break this
Speaker 7: down narratively, what I think the Democrats have forgotten is
Speaker 7: government may not be perfect, but it's the only thing
Speaker 7: large enough to offset multinational corporate exploitation and corruption. And
Speaker 7: if we don't act like that's urgent and that affects
Speaker 7: people's lives, then yeah, you're so. If the big policies
Speaker 7: that we make are billions more dollars to insurance companies
Speaker 7: that we think are fucking people over left and right
Speaker 7: for their healthcare, what so isn't that part of why
Speaker 7: people lost faith?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 9: So, yes, I think we're saying, well, I'm trying to
Speaker 9: say something similar, which is this boom boom, which is
Speaker 9: Democrats just lost everything. They control nothing they control. I mean,
Speaker 9: they don't control the House, they don't control the Senate,
Speaker 9: they don't control the White House, and they don't control
Speaker 9: the Supreme Court. So now is the time to break
Speaker 9: some shit, right and break some China.
Speaker 7: I do control the email list to continue to ask
Speaker 7: her money.
Speaker 3: All right, break it down for me, Ryan, what's your
Speaker 3: personal favorite? My favorite was, oh, whenever he talks about that,
Speaker 3: are going to go oh, and she's like, put, that's
Speaker 3: Asian history.
Speaker 1: We've moved on from that.
Speaker 4: My favorite was when she and you can roll it
Speaker 4: back and see it, she literally rolls her eyes at
Speaker 4: the public option. Really yeah, interesting, She's like, oh god,
Speaker 4: this again, the freaking public option.
Speaker 1: Oh he moved past this? Yeah, what are you still
Speaker 1: fighting these vices?
Speaker 4: Okay, so these these damn people who wanted the government
Speaker 4: to come in and solve the major problem in their
Speaker 4: lives and that and that's what gets that's what gets
Speaker 4: the eye roll. The whole thing is just personally demoralizing
Speaker 4: in the sense that.
Speaker 5: Looking back at my.
Speaker 4: Career, which pre you know, came in before the public option,
Speaker 4: but like I spent a year and a half covering
Speaker 4: the fight over the public option and then cover the
Speaker 4: twenty sixteen presidential campaign and knowing that, like, if they
Speaker 4: would have listened to people like us, there's a good
Speaker 4: chance you fend off this this populist right and instead
Speaker 4: channel the energy into a populist left.
Speaker 5: They didn't, and so it's.
Speaker 4: Like I don't I don't have the energy to even
Speaker 4: do the I Tooldia Sos and and like with sake
Speaker 4: like and she and I are both like yeah, But
Speaker 4: to me, it's like, well, you guys won, Yeah, everybody lost, and.
Speaker 5: It is what it is.
Speaker 3: And she's on MSNBC now and she's got the power,
Speaker 3: She's got the wine Moms in her pocket.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't mean the entire.
Speaker 4: Don't know how much in their pocket. I feel like that,
Speaker 4: like the democratic base is really pissed off.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, So I've been talking about this with Crystal.
Speaker 3: What do you make of all this democratic activism?
Speaker 1: Like, is it real?
Speaker 3: There's people are lighting up the phone lines right now.
Speaker 3: I don't take phone line as so just because your
Speaker 3: base is pissed off about something does not indicate that
Speaker 3: the entire country is pissed off about some It just
Speaker 3: means you're things so you would see this all the
Speaker 3: time with Republicans, right, So what was it when Obergefell happened?
Speaker 3: You had a bunch of Christian Republicans light up Republican
Speaker 3: phone lines like what are you guys going to do
Speaker 3: about this?
Speaker 1: Doesn't mean that being anti.
Speaker 3: Gate marriage or whatever was popular, but it did mean
Speaker 3: it animated a certain percentage of the population. What do
Speaker 3: you make of the democratic activism right now?
Speaker 4: I think the key thing to understand is that our
Speaker 4: understanding of democratic activism.
Speaker 5: Is mediated through the mainstream media because those.
Speaker 4: Organs are more associated with the center left New York Times,
Speaker 4: the MSNBC, CNN and MSNBC and CNN have basically given up,
Speaker 4: like they're not leading the resistance the way that they
Speaker 4: did in twenty seventeen, And so you could have similar
Speaker 4: levels of anger from Democrats across the country as you
Speaker 4: had in twenty seventeen, but you wouldn't hear about it
Speaker 4: because you're not going to hear it from like but
Speaker 4: Joe Rogan, like Universe like they don't care.
Speaker 5: That's not the thing that they are covering, and you're not.
Speaker 4: And if you don't hear it from CNNMSNBC, then you're
Speaker 4: not gonna hear it from anybody basically, and so you
Speaker 4: have to actually be in it to see it. And
Speaker 4: so as a result of that, the broader public doesn't
Speaker 4: see the energy out there, and Democrats in Congress are
Speaker 4: just annoyed at it.
Speaker 5: They saw that suck Crystal's thing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I did, and I think we might have Ezra
Speaker 4: Levine on Wednesday on Counterpoints. He's like public enemy number
Speaker 4: one because he's the Indivisible co founder, because he's like,
Speaker 4: they've got millions of people who have ideas.
Speaker 1: So then let me ask you what I asked her.
Speaker 1: What are they supposed to do?
Speaker 4: Well, the thing they want them to do is to
Speaker 4: fight around the March fourteenth budget and just say and
Speaker 4: to check Elon. Like what they're trying to do is
Speaker 4: we need to check Elon Musk with our power in
Speaker 4: the House because Congressional Republicans need our votes to do
Speaker 4: a government funding.
Speaker 1: And then they want to act like the Tea Party basically.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and the only thing they want is some checks
Speaker 4: on DOJ Like that's the thing. They're like, let's fight
Speaker 4: for something and let's stop in Musk from destroying the
Speaker 4: federal government.
Speaker 5: Like that's the thing they.
Speaker 1: Want, So I don't know.
Speaker 3: I just still I still grapple with It's because we
Speaker 3: was talking about Crystal and she was like, oh, you
Speaker 3: have his attention, and I'm like, what do It's like?
Speaker 3: Do people want to see Maxwell Frost? Like do a
Speaker 3: sit in front of the USA?
Speaker 7: I d B.
Speaker 1: I mean just think you look like an idiot? You
Speaker 1: know personally?
Speaker 3: Is that what the Democratic base wants? Like they want
Speaker 3: them to fight on the budget. There's issue it would
Speaker 3: that even be enough for them? Like if I think
Speaker 3: back to the Tea Party and like how they were
Speaker 3: able to do it. It took taking super unpopular positions,
Speaker 3: holding the government hostage, and you needed Fox News like
Speaker 3: a constant media drum beat, yeah, which they don't have,
Speaker 3: but I mean maybe they do. I mean I was
Speaker 3: looking at Midas touch, which I try to pay attention
Speaker 3: to them now because I think they're like the heart
Speaker 3: of the Democratic resistance. And I mean a lot of
Speaker 3: this stuff is like I don't see politicians per se
Speaker 3: like engaging with it. And a lot of is just
Speaker 3: like Trump loses it as he gets laughed at by
Speaker 3: the world seven hundred and sixteen thousand views. A lot
Speaker 3: of it is like dunk on Trump content, which I
Speaker 3: guess obviously is still appetite for no no hate.
Speaker 1: You know, listen, it's a free market.
Speaker 3: I wish you guys the best, But I don't see
Speaker 3: how that translates into being a democratic politician. I just
Speaker 3: don't understand how they are supposed to channel that energy.
Speaker 3: Because we talked about this last time, which is that
Speaker 3: Russia Gate was fake at the end. The part of
Speaker 3: the reason why they're so demoralized is they staked everything
Speaker 3: on a genuine lie about what about the Like it
Speaker 3: was an undemocratic, literal lie about Donald Trump, And so
Speaker 3: that's why they don't have any ground to fight on.
Speaker 3: And that's why I just I don't know what the
Speaker 3: quote unquote democratic base wants their politicians to fight on.
Speaker 3: When all their fight it's like for what the integrity
Speaker 3: of usaid. It's like, okay, I mean, you know, be
Speaker 3: my guest, I don't see how that is at all.
Speaker 4: Maybe yeah, Education Department like FAA, NIHK like that kind
Speaker 4: of stuff.
Speaker 5: We'll see March.
Speaker 4: We're less than a month away from this funding deadline,
Speaker 4: and you know, who knows what stuff Elon Musk breaks
Speaker 4: between now and then.
Speaker 3: Anything I mean that's the risk though, but at the
Speaker 3: end of the day, it's still reactive. You're waiting for
Speaker 3: your enemy to screw up as opposed to like proposing
Speaker 3: anything else. We see some of this with hak King Jefferies.
Speaker 3: By the way, let's take a listen.
Speaker 10: Donald Trump's favorability rating is actually higher than it ever
Speaker 10: was the first time round. Let me ask you. A
Speaker 10: recent poll by Marquette looked at several of the things
Speaker 10: that he has done or says that he is going
Speaker 10: to do, and sixty three percent favor federal government's recognition
Speaker 10: of only two sexes, sixty percent favored deporting immigrants who
Speaker 10: entered the United States illegally, sixty percent favor expanding oil
Speaker 10: and gas production, fifty nine percent favored declaring an emergency
Speaker 10: at the southern border. Is there anything you are seeing
Speaker 10: that that Trump is doing that you are in favor of?
Speaker 10: Do you think is the right thing?
Speaker 11: Let me say, as it relates to all of those issues,
Speaker 11: we're just at the beginning, and the core promise that
Speaker 11: Donald Trump made is that he's going to lower costs
Speaker 11: for everyday Americans. In fact, we were told that grocery
Speaker 11: prices would go down on day one on January twentieth,
Speaker 11: costs aren't lower. In fact, costs are increasing. The price
Speaker 11: of eggs is skyrocketing out of control. Inflation is on
Speaker 11: the way up. That was the core promise that's been broken.
Speaker 11: With respect to immigration. Listen, we have to secure the border.
Speaker 11: We have a broken immigration system, and we need to
Speaker 11: fix it in a comprehensive and bipartisan way at the
Speaker 11: same period of time as Democrats. We're going to protect dreamers,
Speaker 11: protect farm workers, and protect families who help our communities
Speaker 11: across the country thrive.
Speaker 3: I don't even know where to start with this guy.
Speaker 3: He's got negative charisma, no political risk. But that is
Speaker 3: where I do feel somewhat sympathy for the for the
Speaker 3: liberals out there where I'm like, man, it's like but
Speaker 3: I will tell you, you're the people who set up
Speaker 3: the system that you know, promoted the Hakim Jeffries of
Speaker 3: the world and the complete you know, monarchy of Nancy
Speaker 3: Pelosi and Chuck Schumer over the Democratic Party where they
Speaker 3: can handpick whoever they want. There's not even a semblance
Speaker 3: of popularity whenever it comes to who's controlling the response
Speaker 3: for this party who just suffered a massive Loft.
Speaker 4: So this was one of the more demoralizing moments too,
Speaker 4: when the left knocked Joe Crowley out, who was supposed
Speaker 4: to be the next speaker, right, and he was caucus
Speaker 4: chair at the time, and so then Barbara Lee runs
Speaker 4: for caucus chair against Takim Jeffries, who is Crowley's protege, Yes,
Speaker 4: and Jeffries wins.
Speaker 5: So it's like, I just don't have the energy.
Speaker 3: You're just one are the activists. They'd be like, I'm
Speaker 3: just so tired of being tired.
Speaker 5: I was tired. I was. But what's interesting is that,
Speaker 5: And what's interesting about.
Speaker 4: That clip in particular, Jeffries, whatever you think about his politics,
Speaker 4: is actually one of the more talented communicators that they've
Speaker 4: ever had in a leadership role.
Speaker 5: And that was not an energetic performance at all.
Speaker 4: And I think that that there's substance and a structural problem,
Speaker 4: but beneath it. In twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen, when Democrats
Speaker 4: are feeling their oats, Keem Jeffries could get on any
Speaker 4: cable program or get the get on the House floor
Speaker 4: and give a speech that two Democrats was inspiring because
Speaker 4: they had a sense of what their moral core was
Speaker 4: a Trump, and it was immigration, and you know, he
Speaker 4: was treating you know like you know, Trump was you know,
Speaker 4: evil and awful, and they were going to stand up
Speaker 4: to him, and they don't have that anymore. At the end,
Speaker 4: he finishes by what the Democratic compromise is on immigration
Speaker 4: rather than what it used to be. You know, the
Speaker 4: yard sign that said all are welcome, All are welcome.
Speaker 4: It has a moral urgency to it, and that allowed
Speaker 4: people like Jeffries to speak with more confidence. And so
Speaker 4: to have somebody who's as good a communicator as him
Speaker 4: sounds so bad, and so to lack so much confidence
Speaker 4: suggests that the Democrats really just don't have.
Speaker 1: Their footing, because I agree, you know, they really they
Speaker 1: just and He's.
Speaker 4: Got a clean hit with the like, hey, didn you
Speaker 4: say you're going to do something about inflation? Like that's
Speaker 4: the that's their cleanest hit.
Speaker 3: Right, But they but they're so dizzy by Elon and
Speaker 3: all this other stuff. They just don't know what to do. Well,
Speaker 3: I'm sure we'll keep talking about it. It is one
Speaker 3: of the central stories. It's kind of hilarious, honestly to
Speaker 3: see them all fall apart.
Speaker 1: Let's get to Luigi. What do you have for us
Speaker 1: on Luigi.
Speaker 5: All right, so our man, Luigi man gion.
Speaker 1: He's back your man, not mine.
Speaker 3: Although, although I have to be honest, Luigi and I
Speaker 3: have a lot in common. We both love ye a lot.
Speaker 3: We we read a lot of the same books. We
Speaker 3: share a lot of the same theories about Japan. I
Speaker 3: guess we both do hate uh we both hate corporate
Speaker 3: health care, so you know, but that's something that we
Speaker 3: all a lot of. Is ham and he has become
Speaker 3: a leftist icon, although every single I wouldn't say esoteric.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's it's a stupid thing.
Speaker 3: I think I described him as a right wing anarcho capitalist.
Speaker 3: That's the that's probably the best description, although anybody who
Speaker 3: just murders someone in cold blood is probably not all
Speaker 3: the ware together.
Speaker 1: But nonetheless has become a popular.
Speaker 4: Figure, and so he is lawyer, yes speaks. His lawyers
Speaker 4: have put out a statement. When you put this up
Speaker 4: on the screen, he says, I am overwhelmed by and
Speaker 4: grateful for everyone who has written me to share their
Speaker 4: stories and express their support powerfully. This support has transcended political, racial,
Speaker 4: and even class divisions, as male has flooded Metropolitan Detention
Speaker 4: Center from across the country and around the globe. While
Speaker 4: it is impossible for me to reply to most letters,
Speaker 4: please note that I read everyone that I receive. Thank
Speaker 4: you again to everyone who took the time to write.
Speaker 4: I look forward to hearing more in the future. The
Speaker 4: lawyers also posted an faq on luigimanngioneinfo dot com, which
Speaker 4: is tells you everything anybody might want to know about Luigi,
Speaker 4: so you know where is he.
Speaker 7: Like?
Speaker 5: For instance, may I send him items like books?
Speaker 3: But put E two up there on the screen ext
Speaker 3: The funny part about this is faq is it represents
Speaker 3: all of the mail that they're getting. Can I send
Speaker 3: mail to Aligi? Can you respond? Are there any restriction
Speaker 3: on his mail? May I send him books? Can I
Speaker 3: send him photos?
Speaker 1: Did you see that? Can I send him photos?
Speaker 3: So?
Speaker 1: Ladies or men?
Speaker 7: Or men?
Speaker 1: So?
Speaker 4: He has asked people to limit the number of photos
Speaker 4: they send to five no listeners.
Speaker 3: Due to the volume of photos could dig longer than
Speaker 3: usual to screen and shared.
Speaker 4: So also quote Please note that every photo that has
Speaker 4: received is screened.
Speaker 5: And reviewed by Basman.
Speaker 4: First, just an fyi for those of you who are
Speaker 4: sending pics.
Speaker 3: Can you imagine this guy's in box? He said, jail,
Speaker 3: how can I sign up for official court information? What
Speaker 3: else can I send Luigi's for this other than books, mail,
Speaker 3: news article or photos?
Speaker 1: No other eyes.
Speaker 3: The Brier Prisons does not allow packages from outside of
Speaker 3: the facility. Everything must be purchased through his commissary account.
Speaker 4: And then it says how can I contribute to Luigi
Speaker 4: and that it links to his Gifts and Go, which
Speaker 4: has a goal of a million dollars raised and so
Speaker 4: far has raised. According to this four hundred and sixty
Speaker 4: seven thousand and seven hundred and fifty four dollars from
Speaker 4: it looks like more than fifteen thousand people, more than
Speaker 4: a thousand people have done pray praying for Luigi, okay,
Speaker 4: which is okay, That's where I'm gonna go with weird
Speaker 4: because it's like, if you're praying, I assume you're Christian, Muslim, Jewish,
Speaker 4: like you've got some idea about the sanctity of life.
Speaker 5: And he did kill somebody, right allegedly.
Speaker 1: Allegedly he has guilty.
Speaker 3: You know today there's a documentary actually it's an app
Speaker 3: that we're doing. This documentary premiers about him today from HBO,
Speaker 3: which is one hour one but apparently like in the
Speaker 3: hours after the killing, there were four separate doc deals
Speaker 3: that were signed, like Netflix, HBO and I mean, look, I'm.
Speaker 1: Gonna watch it, Let's be honest.
Speaker 5: I don't watch it.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna watch White Lotus and then I'm gonna watch
Speaker 3: the Luigi thing. It just has to be done. It's
Speaker 3: just one of those where I'll probably watch everything about it.
Speaker 3: It's like the Fire Festival, you know, where did we
Speaker 3: need two documentaries?
Speaker 5: Apparently we did, We did so.
Speaker 3: I mean, I just think it's fascinating because it hasn't
Speaker 3: been in the news for what two months almost three
Speaker 3: months now since all of this, but it's pretty clear
Speaker 3: there's still a lot of public interest in the case.
Speaker 3: And I don't know, I mean, I remember Ken and
Speaker 3: Crystal and everybody else talking about it and be like,
Speaker 3: you can just see the explosion of if not outright
Speaker 3: support or at the very least discussed for the healthcare guy.
Speaker 3: But if you look at the democratic response, none of
Speaker 3: it seems to incorporate any of that popular energy. Like
Speaker 3: we just talked, play that clip of Hakim Jeffreys, and
Speaker 3: so it couldn't be more out of step with whatever
Speaker 3: the hell this is. I mean, there's a lot of
Speaker 3: people out there apparently sending third traps to Luigi, man
Speaker 3: printing them out and sending them to a Bureau of Prisons,
Speaker 3: which you know you.
Speaker 1: Need help, but I don't know.
Speaker 3: I mean, serial killers also get that stuff apparently all
Speaker 3: the time.
Speaker 1: So what do I know. There's a weird segment of
Speaker 1: the public out there.
Speaker 4: Luigi's defense probably still rests on the potential of jury mulification,
Speaker 4: like you.
Speaker 3: Think, so well, okay, so explain this one to me too.
Speaker 3: Doesn't he have two separate charges. There's there's state charge.
Speaker 3: So what's the difference. What's the federal charge that's against it?
Speaker 3: I guess I was reading on his website. I didn't
Speaker 3: quite understand it.
Speaker 4: It's depriving somebody of their h they're basically their civil
Speaker 4: rights by killing them.
Speaker 3: Okay, So why they didn't do that and he would
Speaker 3: do that? Is it because he crossed interstate lines? Is
Speaker 3: because he went from Pennsylvania to or sorry plan.
Speaker 4: I guess that would that would qualify. The Feds will
Speaker 4: often do this if they think that the.
Speaker 5: State won't handle Yeah.
Speaker 3: Right, So there's people versus MANGIONI New York State, there's
Speaker 3: Commonwealth of PA versus Manngioni, and then there's USA versus
Speaker 3: Mangioni at the federal level.
Speaker 1: I was just trying to understand. I was like, well,
Speaker 1: what did he do in Pennsylvania?
Speaker 3: And sometimes it was possession of a false identification, probably
Speaker 3: something like that.
Speaker 4: Sometimes this will happen to cops where they will be
Speaker 4: acquitted or not charged. More often I think not charged.
Speaker 4: There's some double jeopardy implications. Okay, if you're acquitted not charged,
Speaker 4: but at the state level, and then the FEDS will
Speaker 4: come in and do a civil rights case against the cop.
Speaker 5: So I don't know, we'll see.
Speaker 3: All right, well, oh yeah, so it is your travel
Speaker 3: in interstate commerce with the intent to kill, injure, harass, intimidate,
Speaker 3: and place under surveillance with the intent to kill. That's
Speaker 3: the federal It's stalking is the charge that has been
Speaker 3: leveled against him. And then murder through use of a
Speaker 3: firearm on top of firearms offences that I guess stack
Speaker 3: on top of.
Speaker 5: It, right, because it did the interstate thing.
Speaker 3: Interstate all right, well, lesson in our justice system. I'm
Speaker 3: sure it'll still I still think it'll be the trial
Speaker 3: of the centry. We all know it well in terms
Speaker 3: of the public interest on downtown in New York City,
Speaker 3: there's there's.
Speaker 1: A lot going on.
Speaker 3: Stay tuned, all right, Ryan, you've got a good segment
Speaker 3: for us. Let's get to it, all right, Woke or Base?
Speaker 3: All right, I'm ready to hit me.
Speaker 5: Okay, so we can throw up e one here.
Speaker 4: So there was this article that came out in Breitbart
Speaker 4: recently by the anti trust holdover Doha Mechi continued woke
Speaker 4: agenda instead of taking on big tech with a photo
Speaker 4: of Doha Mechi there, okay, And this is just such
Speaker 4: a fascinating I think entre into our into our current
Speaker 4: politics that I wanted to unpack this thoroughly and play
Speaker 4: a game with Sager called woke or Base because.
Speaker 3: As a reminder of the audience, I have not seen
Speaker 3: any of this. I have no idea what's coming.
Speaker 4: And so the in this bright Bart article, which and
Speaker 4: so we both have done enough Washington reporting that we
Speaker 4: know that sometimes articles are the.
Speaker 5: Powerful work of journalistic endeavors.
Speaker 4: And some of it is fed to Other times you
Speaker 4: get an OPO document which just fed to you, and
Speaker 4: as you read this one, we don't know.
Speaker 5: You can never say for one certain where it came from.
Speaker 4: But you're like, did this bright Bart guy really come
Speaker 4: up with all of these different examples or were these
Speaker 4: package So this looks looks like OPO and which means
Speaker 4: corporate OPO at this point not not part as an OPO.
Speaker 4: And so the key part here of this article put
Speaker 4: up E two here that Brave Heart Rights. Many populist Republicans,
Speaker 4: including Jadie Vance and Josh Holly, also supported Biden's anti
Speaker 4: trust chief Jonathan Canter for continuing the work of the
Speaker 4: first Trump administration with lawsuits against Apple and Google. A
Speaker 4: slater who's an incoming Trump anti chief enforcer will almost
Speaker 4: certainly continue these lawsuits against big tech. However, after Canter
Speaker 4: resigned on December eighteenth, his woke deputy, Doha Mecki, took
Speaker 4: over as acting anti trust chief and pushed through many
Speaker 4: radical actions in the last weeks of Biden's lame duck presidency.
Speaker 5: So look at the two step here is interesting.
Speaker 4: What they're trying to say is like, Okay, we acknowledge
Speaker 4: that Jonathan Canter, Lena Khan, that entire anti monopoly universe
Speaker 4: in the democratic ecosystem is cool because.
Speaker 5: It was doing the same stuff that Trump was doing.
Speaker 4: So they realized they can't really attack that because it
Speaker 4: has populist bona fides that are.
Speaker 5: Impregnable.
Speaker 4: But they're saying this woke lady came in and did
Speaker 4: a bunch of mean things to Corporate America because she's woke.
Speaker 5: And so we're going to go through their bill.
Speaker 4: Of indictment against Doha Mechi for being woke. And let's
Speaker 4: actually click the links that they provide to decide whether
Speaker 4: or not the action they're describing.
Speaker 5: Is woke or is it base?
Speaker 1: Okay, what do we got?
Speaker 4: So in the final weeks of the Biden administration, Mechi
Speaker 4: issued rules addressing quote HR policies, which typically have nothing
Speaker 4: to do with anti trust policy. So the guidelines provide
Speaker 4: examples and cite cases to explain how the agencies analyze
Speaker 4: business practices that may violate anti trust laws. The guidlines
Speaker 4: also explained certain types of agreements between employers, such as
Speaker 4: wage fixing or no poach agreements, may expose companies and
Speaker 4: executives to criminal liability under the anti trust laws.
Speaker 5: So what did Mechi do?
Speaker 4: She told companies around the country that if you enter
Speaker 4: into no poach agreement wage fixing, those types of non
Speaker 4: competes that not only could you be civilly liable, you
Speaker 4: could also even be criminally liable. Is that woke or
Speaker 4: is that base?
Speaker 3: I would say based, I would personally say based telling
Speaker 3: telling a company what to do and not.
Speaker 1: To exploit people supposed to be based. But apparently it's
Speaker 1: woke here, all right?
Speaker 5: Yeah, so oh and I forgot.
Speaker 4: We're dedicating We're dedicating this segment to none other than
Speaker 4: Hillary Clinton for her the most woke comment ever made
Speaker 4: on behalf of corporate America, which defines basically an entire era.
Speaker 5: So roll e four here to remind people, if we.
Speaker 12: Broke up the big banks tomorrow, and I will if
Speaker 12: if they are ast a systemic risks, I will with
Speaker 12: that end racism with that, and sexism with that, and
Speaker 12: discrimination against the LGBT community.
Speaker 5: That's the one Crystal's favorites.
Speaker 4: That's the essence of corporate America using woke language to
Speaker 4: defend itself, saying, don't break up the big banks. Why
Speaker 4: because that won't won't solve gay rights, won't won't do
Speaker 4: all these other things.
Speaker 5: All right, So we got we got one. We got
Speaker 5: one for based here.
Speaker 4: Okay, next, Breitbart says, quote she issued a last minute
Speaker 4: lawsuit against six major landlords in line with the Biden administrations,
Speaker 4: blaming AI and landlords rather than his own inflationary policies
Speaker 4: for high rent. So you can put up I believe
Speaker 4: this is East six, which I don't even think I
Speaker 4: need to explain to you or to the audience this one.
Speaker 5: So this was, Yeah, we cover this one, Yeah, we
Speaker 5: covered this.
Speaker 4: This is a this is a mechy policy that she
Speaker 4: rolled out attacking landlords over.
Speaker 5: Juicing rent. Is it woke, woke er based?
Speaker 3: I gotta go with based. I gotta go with base personally.
Speaker 3: But I mean, let's let's make this clear. I don't
Speaker 3: speak for quote maga, populist writer, any of these people,
Speaker 3: and even woke and or based. It basically gets defined
Speaker 3: in terms of like, in terms of liberalism and who.
Speaker 1: The person is.
Speaker 3: So for example, if you fire like you're talking about,
Speaker 3: this is what basically I think the point you're trying
Speaker 3: to make. If you have a lady who's a LIB
Speaker 3: and you own that lib, that's based right in terms
Speaker 3: of the culture war. The problem is is that when
Speaker 3: you actually look at some of these policies and things
Speaker 3: like that, some of these things just these definitions fall apart,
Speaker 3: and that is part of the problem with a lot
Speaker 3: of the attack vector. This kind of gets the whole
Speaker 3: idea of those versus MAGA and what it even means.
Speaker 3: But part of the thing I always try to point
Speaker 3: out is like, guys, magas whatever Trump wants it to be.
Speaker 1: And that's where there are a lot of people who
Speaker 1: are like, this doesn't fit with what Trump ran on.
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, you know, the thing is Trump at
Speaker 1: the end of the day.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he said a lot of stuff, but what did
Speaker 3: he really say? I alone can fix it, And I
Speaker 3: increasingly think that's really what Trump was all about. And
Speaker 3: to the extent that he's good or he's bad, or
Speaker 3: he's maga or whatever, it's whatever it aligns in terms
Speaker 3: of his transactional reality and whatever happens to be him
Speaker 3: feeling that day. But if he had faith eat in
Speaker 3: some sort of broader agenda, I mean, honestly, like, you
Speaker 3: didn't hear it here.
Speaker 5: I tell you that, luckily I didn't have any faith.
Speaker 4: Yes, so we have two more so this next one
Speaker 4: is she sued KKR over paperwork violations.
Speaker 5: That's what That's how Breitbart describes it.
Speaker 4: So basically KKR, massive private equity firm that does mergers
Speaker 4: and acquisitions. Uh, there is a there are federal laws
Speaker 4: that require that if you're doing a major merger that
Speaker 4: you submit filing, you know, with the Department of Justice.
Speaker 4: Here's what we're doing so that you can review this.
Speaker 4: KKR came up with a clever workaround. They're like, what
Speaker 4: if we don't do that and we just do the merger,
Speaker 4: then it can't be reviewed in this In this document
Speaker 4: they have they quote from several executives who are saying.
Speaker 5: Less is more.
Speaker 4: Let's make sure we are not submitting these works. So
Speaker 4: this is this wokeness run them up or based?
Speaker 3: That one is I don't I wouldn't call that necessarily based.
Speaker 3: But this is more of a personal thing. Is that
Speaker 3: I I hate private equity firms like KKR, so I'm
Speaker 3: personally sported.
Speaker 5: So go go rip them now.
Speaker 4: Now this is part is the last one is where
Speaker 4: it gets interesting and I think we can and we
Speaker 4: can actually start talking about some philosophy here.
Speaker 5: So they also whack her for Mechi, so quote this
Speaker 5: is bright part. Mechi repeatedly invoked W. E. B.
Speaker 4: Du bois a Black Marxist thinker to further her argument
Speaker 4: that antitrust laws must be used against what she considers racism.
Speaker 4: This one was to me the most egregious because it
Speaker 4: is actually backwards. It is a reverse, incorrect reading of
Speaker 4: the speech that they reference. So you can put up E.
Speaker 4: Eight and for the fun of it, let me do
Speaker 4: this whole three paragraph section of it. So this is
Speaker 4: from us. The speech that they said is woke. So
Speaker 4: the economic opportunities in liberties protected by the Sherman Act,
Speaker 4: this is what she said as in her speech. In particular,
Speaker 4: protections against monopolies were important to the founders too. Jefferson
Speaker 4: Lift listed a restriction against monopolies among the rights that
Speaker 4: deserved to be enumerated in the Bill of Rights. After all,
Speaker 4: England's grant of monopolies for different products, including tea, may
Speaker 4: well have set the American revolution in motion. The foundations
Speaker 4: on which the Sherman Act rests are not limited solely
Speaker 4: to concern about contractual restraints, property rights, and industrial relations.
Speaker 4: They also contemplate individual liberty and concern about distribution of power.
Speaker 4: Why is this concern for economic opportunity and liberty so important?
Speaker 4: I come back to my thesis, because efforts to secure
Speaker 4: social and political rights are at risk if they are
Speaker 4: not backstopped by economic opportunity, and because antitrust plays an
Speaker 4: important role in our economic liberty and democracy of opportunity tradition.
Speaker 4: In his nineteen thirty five book Black Reconstruction in America,
Speaker 4: du Bois famously argued that a key reason why the
Speaker 4: Confederacy collapsed and the institution of slavery with it, was
Speaker 4: because when Union sold arrived in the South, black Americans,
Speaker 4: as do Boys put it, left the plantations and led
Speaker 4: a general strike. They exercised the most basic economic right
Speaker 4: that comes with freedom, the freedom to make decisions about
Speaker 4: one's labor. The exercise of this economic liberty devastated the
Speaker 4: Southern economy, and, as he put it, furnished two hundred
Speaker 4: thousand Federal soldiers. There is no this is no doubt
Speaker 4: resonant for all of us in the room who have
Speaker 4: helped advance labor competition, jurisprudence, and protected the ability of
Speaker 4: organized workers to act collectively.
Speaker 5: So you respond to that, while I find her whether.
Speaker 1: That's or it's based.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you know, like I said, it's it could
Speaker 3: be based, could be woke.
Speaker 5: I guess it don't really know. You know.
Speaker 4: Unfortunately, and here's the quote where she finishes. She says,
Speaker 4: on this telling, we should think harder about calls to
Speaker 4: subordinate our anti trust and anti monopoly laws purportedly in
Speaker 4: service of some other social and political values. So she's saying,
Speaker 4: do not subordinate antitrust to a push for civil rights
Speaker 4: or for other woke or for a woke agen.
Speaker 5: She's specifically explicitly saying, do not do that.
Speaker 4: She's saying that economic rights are fundamental. Are If you
Speaker 4: don't have economic liberty, if you don't have economic resources
Speaker 4: in your community, you don't have the ability to fight
Speaker 4: for political and civil rights. It is the reverse of
Speaker 4: wokeism to lead to say no, that it is essential.
Speaker 5: American liberty is essential.
Speaker 4: So to have that, to me, to have that speech,
Speaker 4: the evidence of her wokeness was like, well, what are
Speaker 4: you going on here, Brian?
Speaker 3: You probably taught ten times harder about this article than
Speaker 3: the personally.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because he took stuff that was handed to him
Speaker 4: as my guests and just slap and just slap.
Speaker 3: If anything, Look, this is a very good view into
Speaker 3: exactly how look everything is about framing right, So as
Speaker 3: you what did they say, like some black Marxist is
Speaker 3: the way that they phrase it.
Speaker 1: I unfortunately don't know.
Speaker 5: Enough about it.
Speaker 1: I need to find a good book about it.
Speaker 3: You no, no, no, I've read about him, but I have
Speaker 3: never read a book specifically about him. And it gets
Speaker 3: to the heart of where all the tension is with
Speaker 3: MAGA and you know, with Bannonism, with the coherent ideology
Speaker 3: around this. But I think really what it comes down
Speaker 3: to is the current vector is all about control within
Speaker 3: the right, and to the extent that anything is considered
Speaker 3: like horseshoe or whatever, the right is the one that
Speaker 3: has to be in control. And I'm speaking in terms
Speaker 3: of the way that they see this movement. So for them,
Speaker 3: anybody who was willing to work with the Biden apparatics
Speaker 3: or any of these people, these are bad, right, These
Speaker 3: are enemies we need, and if we're going to have
Speaker 3: anybody who even agrees with that, it has to be
Speaker 3: somebody who already aligns with us on the cultural issues.
Speaker 3: So I do think it's unfortunate because yeah, you have
Speaker 3: people like Chopra and others who really did try to
Speaker 3: you know, transcend I guess partisan boundaries, but what can
Speaker 3: we say. The number one listen here, is that good
Speaker 3: faith does not get rewarded in Washington.
Speaker 5: No, that's really the what happened.
Speaker 3: My number one lesson from any of those people, and
Speaker 3: I hate to say it because it almost makes me
Speaker 3: sound like Blue Maga is, Oh, you're an idiot forever
Speaker 3: trying to work with those people.
Speaker 1: They're like, at the end of the day, it's about
Speaker 1: us where a team, and we fight within the team.
Speaker 3: I don't think it should work that way, but that's
Speaker 3: where the political incentives are right.
Speaker 4: And it also noticed as the last point, notice the
Speaker 4: interesting trap it sets up because anybody who's watching this
Speaker 4: by the end is like, wait a minute. So all
Speaker 4: of the things that they claimed made her woke actually
Speaker 4: are not woke at all. What they're left with is
Speaker 4: she's black. Yeah, and it's like, wait a minute. The
Speaker 4: one quote that the right loves from Martin Luther King
Speaker 4: is like, let's judge people by the content of their character,
Speaker 4: not the color of their skin.
Speaker 5: Did not happen with doaha here? But the second that
Speaker 5: I say that, they're like, aha, you're now you're woke.
Speaker 5: And we were right. We're right the whole time.
Speaker 4: So it's this like get out of doing like pretty
Speaker 4: blatant racism free card, because as soon as you criticize that,
Speaker 4: then you're being well.
Speaker 1: I used toe race everywhere. Ryan, you're the one, you're
Speaker 1: the one who pointed it out.
Speaker 5: Not that that's right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, look, Bustin, I don't even know if that's that.
Speaker 3: I I really don't know if it's that deep. I
Speaker 3: really just think it was some stupid corporate apoh piece.
Speaker 5: I think it was kk R.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, Yeah, you're absolutely right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and there's the KKK.
Speaker 4: KKR's attorneys are the same that have Eric Adams now
Speaker 4: and we can we can get into that some other times.
Speaker 1: That's that's gonna be. I actually am looking forward to that.
Speaker 3: All right, guys. I hope you guys enjoyed the Bro Show.
Speaker 3: I certainly did. Chrys will be back tomorrow.
Speaker 1: We'll see you all the