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Speaker 4: A lot of new developments out of Israel, particularly as

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Speaker 4: it relates to Netnyahu's claims that war with Iran maybe

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Speaker 4: in the offing and that the Trump administration is okay

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Speaker 4: with it. This started last week with a quiet piece

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Speaker 4: in the Washington Post. Israel likely to strike Iran in

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Speaker 4: coming months. Warren's US intelligence.

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Speaker 5: So think about the structure there US.

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Speaker 4: This is it's key that this is the Washington Post.

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Speaker 4: You know, this is Washington, DC's newspaper. US intelligence officials

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Speaker 4: leaked to that paper that they're concerned that Israel is

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Speaker 4: going to strike Iran. There was a previous assessment under

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Speaker 4: the outgoing Biden administration that there was a very high

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Speaker 4: likelihood that Israel would strike Iran within the first six

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Speaker 4: months of twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 5: At the time, the Biden administration.

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Speaker 4: Weighed whether or not it would kind of publicly endorse

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Speaker 4: a move like that and decided not to. Israel now

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Speaker 4: say you know now saying that he really has Trump's

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Speaker 4: buy in for this attack. Trump himself gave an interview

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Speaker 4: with Fox News recently where he said something very similar

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Speaker 4: to what Witcoff said and will Roll Wickcoff and second,

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Speaker 4: Trump said, we will not allow Iran to have a

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Speaker 4: nuclear weapon, and there's two ways to stop that. One

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Speaker 4: is we blow up there in nuclear facilities. Two is

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Speaker 4: that we get a deal. And he says he would

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Speaker 4: much rather get a deal than launch launch a war.

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Speaker 4: That's what you're hearing from Trump, But he's not ruling

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Speaker 4: out that he would support and Israeli strike.

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Speaker 5: We can.

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Speaker 4: Here's Steve Whitkoff recently in an interview talking about the

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Speaker 4: role that Iran is playing in these ongoing Israeli negotiations.

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Speaker 5: Throll c three.

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Speaker 6: Iran as the benefactor. But of course the largest issue

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Speaker 6: is the nuclear and the President has said they will

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Speaker 6: not get a bomb. Them getting a bomb.

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Speaker 7: Is devastating to the region.

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Speaker 6: It will force every other country in that region to

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Speaker 6: get a bomb too. We'll have a nuclear arms race,

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Speaker 6: and that simply can't happen. But the President has also

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Speaker 6: said this can be solved diplomatically, and if Iran shows

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Speaker 6: an interest in solving it diplomatically, the American government remains

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Speaker 6: open to those discussions. And so I hope that it

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Speaker 6: can be solved diplomatically because the alternative is not such

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Speaker 6: a good alternative.

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Speaker 4: And so we've talked about this before that all of

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Speaker 4: this is happening in the context of the Israel Gaza war.

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Speaker 5: And if if the if the Israeli.

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Speaker 4: A salt on Gaza were the only thing that we're

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Speaker 4: a kind of isolated geopolitical contest, then Trump's support for

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Speaker 4: net Yahoo's ability to just wipe it off the MAP,

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Speaker 4: I think would would be unchecked. Like, I totally agree,

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Speaker 4: But it's happening in the context of this more regional

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Speaker 4: consideration where Trump very much wants a Saudi Israeli peace

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Speaker 4: deal normalization between the two.

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Speaker 5: He also wants an Iran nuclear deal.

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Speaker 4: I think he sees this as you know, a potential

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Speaker 4: legacy item. It's deeply ironic, of course, because Obamba struck

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Speaker 4: one and then Trump immediately ripped it up. But now

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Speaker 4: so it is the one thing that is giving the

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Speaker 4: You can put up C four here. This is from

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Speaker 4: drop sites Twitter feed. So is basically is Israel, uh

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Speaker 5: An AID convoy Hamas.

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Speaker 4: Has said that, you know, Israel's continuing to attack and

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Speaker 4: ceasefire in jeopardy. They said the attack on Palatine police

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Speaker 4: officers guarding AID trucks and southern Gaza quote clear violation

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Speaker 4: Trump should not believe that it's going to be easy

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Speaker 4: to go go along with Netnyahu's idea here and Trump's

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Speaker 4: idea that they're just going to clear everybody out. This

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Speaker 4: is quote Trump quote has no clue about the resistance

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Speaker 4: of the Palestinians. He has no clue about how the

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Speaker 4: Palestinians are connected to their homeland. It's not real estate,

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Speaker 4: it's it's a homeland. He argued that every time Israelly

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Speaker 4: officials have spoken about the quote elimination of Hamas, the

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Speaker 4: group has only grown stronger. And I do think it

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Speaker 4: is accurate to say that every time Trump says that

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Speaker 4: not going to let them back, his position gets weaker.

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Speaker 4: You say that out loud, You're not You're not. You're

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Speaker 4: not going to win people over that way.

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Speaker 5: And so.

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Speaker 4: That is what Trump is saying. But what Trump is

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Speaker 4: actually doing is the status quote. On Saturday, you had

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Speaker 4: the hostage exchange go off as planned, so you had

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Speaker 4: all of this talk about war with Iran Trump and

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Speaker 4: demanding that every single hostage needed to be out by

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Speaker 4: Saturday or else they were going to all hell, all.

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Speaker 5: Hell will break a loose again.

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Speaker 4: And instead wit Cooff gets back in there and he's like, no,

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Speaker 4: like we got that, We've got a deal. We're going

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Speaker 4: to continue with this deal, and and so the deal

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Speaker 4: goes off. So the latest news is that Yahoo, he

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Speaker 4: spoke last night at this major pro Israel conference, he

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Speaker 4: has authorized finally his negotiators to go back to Cairo

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Speaker 4: and continue with with the negotiations toward phase two. And

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Speaker 4: Phase two it's the part that Witkoff is is trying

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Speaker 4: to make sure is completed, because that that is the

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Speaker 4: part where all of the remaining hostages are exchanged and

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Speaker 4: uh reconstruction is then supposed to begin and it's supposed

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Speaker 4: to be a permanent ceasefire. The question of what role

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Speaker 4: Hamas plays is the one that's being negotiated. Hamas is

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Speaker 4: sending a lot of signals that they're willing to just

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Speaker 4: step back right, that they're willing to demilitarize, that that

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Speaker 4: that a technical uh you know that a bunch of technocrats,

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Speaker 4: either affiliated with the palsitting authority or not, but under

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Speaker 4: the auspices of the guarante, the guarantee of the us

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Speaker 4: age of the UAE others could actually be the ones

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Speaker 4: to play a role in the in the reconstruction. That

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Speaker 4: they understand that that that may be the thing that

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Speaker 4: that has to happen. It is telling that it is

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Speaker 4: the Israelis who are the obstacle to this situation, because

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Speaker 4: you know, once they make that concession, what's at that point,

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Speaker 4: what's the argument from Israel that you can't allow this?

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Speaker 4: Like they've said, like, you know, surrender and give us

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Speaker 4: the hostages and it's over. And that's effectively what they

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Speaker 4: would be saying.

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Speaker 3: So what do you make of this reversion back to

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Speaker 3: phase two? Because first we were first the deal was off.

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Speaker 3: Now the deal is back on. Why for what purpose

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Speaker 3: is it some grand deal with Iran? Because that Washington

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Speaker 3: Post report is very troubling, right, is that basically the

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Speaker 3: Biden people at the end of course, by the way

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Speaker 3: they leak it at the internet. Like, by the way,

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Speaker 3: while we were in office we discovered they wanted to

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Speaker 3: attack Iran. I'm like, well, maybe you should have done

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Speaker 3: something about it. But oh, right, that would be asking

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Speaker 3: too much. Unfortunately.

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Speaker 4: One possibility is that, So think about it this way.

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Speaker 4: If Trump really does want a permanent ceasefire, Saudi Israeli normalization,

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Speaker 4: and an Iran nuclear deal that costs a lot of

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Speaker 4: capital with the Miriam Madelson kind of wing of his financing.

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Speaker 5: So if he really does want that.

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Speaker 4: What does he have to do is to build up

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Speaker 4: capital first, And how do you build up capital green

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Speaker 4: light by being a complete lunatic in Hey, you want

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Speaker 4: to you want to ethnically cleanse all of Gaza, go

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Speaker 4: for it.

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Speaker 1: I'll do it for you.

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Speaker 5: I'll do it for you. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So, and you see this too, went in with North Korea.

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Speaker 4: You know, he'll talk about wiping them off the face

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Speaker 4: of the earth, right and then and then he'll come

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Speaker 4: in and do the thing he wants to do.

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Speaker 5: Which is some type of So you're buying the evison.

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Speaker 4: So I think if you do buy that he wants

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Speaker 4: a deal here, it is it is rational that he

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Speaker 4: would at this point be acting like a madman so

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Speaker 4: that when Yahoo later gets screwed, Trump can.

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Speaker 5: Say, look, I did everything I could.

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Speaker 4: I was even willing to do full on ethnic cleansing

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Speaker 4: for you, but it's just not feasible.

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Speaker 5: So we have to get serious about this.

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Speaker 4: And Egypt is saying that they've got a plan where

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Speaker 4: it's a three to five year reconstruction, does not involve

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Speaker 4: Hamas anymore in the government. UEE and Saudi will pay

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Speaker 4: for it, and look, I want I would love I

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Speaker 4: would love to ethnically cleanse the Palestinians even more than

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Speaker 4: you would, but bbe it's just not feasible, it's not doable.

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Speaker 5: And I'm not sending American troops.

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Speaker 4: And when you send Israeli troops, all they do is

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Speaker 4: do tik toks and get themselves killed and lead to

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Speaker 4: ICC indictments and ICJ allegations of genocide and the completely

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Speaker 5: So look, can't do that. We're gonna have to do

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Speaker 4: Like that's a best case scenario, perhaps.

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Speaker 1: Right, what's the mid case scenario?

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Speaker 3: Because if it's born, it's all just what I can't

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Speaker 3: get my head around, is why, Because as you just said,

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Speaker 3: and look, if Obama had ever say all hell will

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Speaker 5: Moss after they read line, can you imagine?

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Speaker 3: Can you imagine what the tom Cottons and all of

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Speaker 3: them of the world would look like. I've always seen

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Speaker 3: Trump as somebody who talks big but never actually wants

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Speaker 3: to follow me. Occasionally, you can point to a few things,

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Speaker 3: the Costum Solimani killing, for example, but there were a

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Speaker 3: lot of I mean, actually I was supposed to interview

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Speaker 3: Trump the day. You remember that American spy plane that

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Speaker 3: got shot down. It was unmanned, it like it was

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Speaker 3: a Navy plane that was shot down in twenty eighteen.

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Speaker 1: And I was supposed to interview him that day got canceled.

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Speaker 3: And apparently what came out is that Trump had ordered

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Speaker 3: a retaliatory strike that John Bolton had been pushing.

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Speaker 1: But then at the last minute.

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Speaker 3: He was like, Hey, you know what, we shouldn't kill

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Speaker 3: any of the easy I Rannie and they didn't kill any

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Speaker 3: of our people. Let's not kill kill any of theirs.

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Speaker 3: Bolt and all of them were furious.

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Speaker 1: He seems to be he seems to have like a.

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Speaker 3: Duality inside where it's like like, on the one hand, says,

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Speaker 3: we're gonna athletically, we're gonna own Gaza, We're gonna ethnically

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Speaker 3: cleanse it our cell.

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Speaker 1: I'll do it for you. And then on the other

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Speaker 1: hand he's like, maybe we should sit with Russian and China.

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Speaker 1: We'll all just cut all our military spending. You're like, wait,

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Speaker 1: what things?

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Speaker 5: Which one of these is true?

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Speaker 1: What's going on here? So yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 4: Trump privately calls Steve whitcough quote a modern day Kissinger.

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Speaker 3: Very pro Witcoff Wikkoff has all of the ingredients that

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Speaker 5: And you know that we won't talk.

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Speaker 5: To stay out loud, how it was that.

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Speaker 5: So let's roll this a bipartisan consensus.

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Speaker 4: But if we did, it would not be TikTok alone

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Speaker 5: It gave the final push.

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Speaker 4: Yes, the national security establishment wanted to ban it before that,

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Speaker 3: And by the way, Trump, you I don't even know

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Speaker 1: You want, Yeah, it's like we are. We're the ones

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Speaker 4: Why are these That was what was funny And they're

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Speaker 1: One, that's right.

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Speaker 3: At the end of the day, he respects only one thing,

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Speaker 3: All right, let's talk about the Democrats. This is objectively hilarious.

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Speaker 3: John Stewart interviewing Jensaki with some shocking moments for Jenzaki,

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Speaker 3: not for everybody else.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 7: I've been shocked by how undemocratic the Democratic Party can

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Speaker 7: be Tell me.

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Speaker 9: What do you mean by I don't disagree with you necessarily,

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Speaker 9: but what do you mean by that.

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Speaker 7: By putting their foot on the scales to get you know,

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Speaker 7: make sure that Hillary Clinton comes out of the thing,

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Speaker 7: or make sure that you know that they're that they're

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Speaker 7: listening to that anger about the way that even the

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Speaker 7: ACA quite frankly struck me as a very.

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Speaker 9: Concern because it didn't have a public option in it.

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Speaker 7: Correct that it didn't address the very thing that was

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Speaker 7: causing the foundational upset. If I were to break this

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Speaker 7: down narratively, what I think the Democrats have forgotten is

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Speaker 7: government may not be perfect, but it's the only thing

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Speaker 7: large enough to offset multinational corporate exploitation and corruption. And

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Speaker 7: if we don't act like that's urgent and that affects

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Speaker 7: people's lives, then yeah, you're so. If the big policies

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Speaker 7: that we make are billions more dollars to insurance companies

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Speaker 7: that we think are fucking people over left and right

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Speaker 7: for their healthcare, what so isn't that part of why

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Speaker 7: people lost faith?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 9: So, yes, I think we're saying, well, I'm trying to

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Speaker 9: say something similar, which is this boom boom, which is

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Speaker 9: Democrats just lost everything. They control nothing they control. I mean,

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Speaker 9: they don't control the House, they don't control the Senate,

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Speaker 9: they don't control the White House, and they don't control

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Speaker 9: the Supreme Court. So now is the time to break

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Speaker 9: some shit, right and break some China.

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Speaker 7: I do control the email list to continue to ask

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Speaker 7: her money.

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Speaker 3: All right, break it down for me, Ryan, what's your

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Speaker 3: personal favorite? My favorite was, oh, whenever he talks about that,

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Speaker 3: are going to go oh, and she's like, put, that's

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Speaker 3: Asian history.

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Speaker 1: We've moved on from that.

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Speaker 4: My favorite was when she and you can roll it

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Speaker 4: back and see it, she literally rolls her eyes at

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Speaker 4: the public option. Really yeah, interesting, She's like, oh god,

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Speaker 4: this again, the freaking public option.

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Speaker 1: Oh he moved past this? Yeah, what are you still

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Speaker 1: fighting these vices?

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Speaker 4: Okay, so these these damn people who wanted the government

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Speaker 4: to come in and solve the major problem in their

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Speaker 4: lives and that and that's what gets that's what gets

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Speaker 4: the eye roll. The whole thing is just personally demoralizing

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Speaker 4: in the sense that.

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Speaker 5: Looking back at my.

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Speaker 4: Career, which pre you know, came in before the public option,

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Speaker 4: but like I spent a year and a half covering

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Speaker 4: the fight over the public option and then cover the

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Speaker 4: twenty sixteen presidential campaign and knowing that, like, if they

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Speaker 4: would have listened to people like us, there's a good

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Speaker 4: chance you fend off this this populist right and instead

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Speaker 4: channel the energy into a populist left.

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Speaker 5: They didn't, and so it's.

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Speaker 4: Like I don't I don't have the energy to even

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Speaker 4: do the I Tooldia Sos and and like with sake

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Speaker 4: like and she and I are both like yeah, But

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Speaker 4: to me, it's like, well, you guys won, Yeah, everybody lost, and.

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Speaker 5: It is what it is.

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Speaker 3: And she's on MSNBC now and she's got the power,

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Speaker 3: She's got the wine Moms in her pocket.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't mean the entire.

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Speaker 4: Don't know how much in their pocket. I feel like that,

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Speaker 4: like the democratic base is really pissed off.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, So I've been talking about this with Crystal.

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Speaker 3: What do you make of all this democratic activism?

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Speaker 1: Like, is it real?

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Speaker 3: There's people are lighting up the phone lines right now.

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Speaker 3: I don't take phone line as so just because your

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Speaker 3: base is pissed off about something does not indicate that

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Speaker 3: the entire country is pissed off about some It just

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Speaker 3: means you're things so you would see this all the

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Speaker 3: time with Republicans, right, So what was it when Obergefell happened?

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Speaker 3: You had a bunch of Christian Republicans light up Republican

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Speaker 3: phone lines like what are you guys going to do

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Speaker 3: about this?

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Speaker 1: Doesn't mean that being anti.

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Speaker 3: Gate marriage or whatever was popular, but it did mean

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Speaker 3: it animated a certain percentage of the population. What do

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Speaker 3: you make of the democratic activism right now?

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Speaker 4: I think the key thing to understand is that our

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Speaker 4: understanding of democratic activism.

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Speaker 5: Is mediated through the mainstream media because those.

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Speaker 4: Organs are more associated with the center left New York Times,

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Speaker 4: the MSNBC, CNN and MSNBC and CNN have basically given up,

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Speaker 4: like they're not leading the resistance the way that they

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Speaker 4: did in twenty seventeen, And so you could have similar

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Speaker 4: levels of anger from Democrats across the country as you

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Speaker 4: had in twenty seventeen, but you wouldn't hear about it

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Speaker 4: because you're not going to hear it from like but

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Speaker 4: Joe Rogan, like Universe like they don't care.

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Speaker 5: That's not the thing that they are covering, and you're not.

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Speaker 4: And if you don't hear it from CNNMSNBC, then you're

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Speaker 4: not gonna hear it from anybody basically, and so you

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Speaker 4: have to actually be in it to see it. And

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Speaker 4: so as a result of that, the broader public doesn't

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Speaker 4: see the energy out there, and Democrats in Congress are

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Speaker 4: just annoyed at it.

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Speaker 5: They saw that suck Crystal's thing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I did, and I think we might have Ezra

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Speaker 4: Levine on Wednesday on Counterpoints. He's like public enemy number

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Speaker 4: one because he's the Indivisible co founder, because he's like,

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Speaker 4: they've got millions of people who have ideas.

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Speaker 1: So then let me ask you what I asked her.

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Speaker 1: What are they supposed to do?

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Speaker 4: Well, the thing they want them to do is to

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Speaker 4: fight around the March fourteenth budget and just say and

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Speaker 4: to check Elon. Like what they're trying to do is

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Speaker 4: we need to check Elon Musk with our power in

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Speaker 4: the House because Congressional Republicans need our votes to do

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Speaker 4: a government funding.

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Speaker 1: And then they want to act like the Tea Party basically.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and the only thing they want is some checks

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Speaker 4: on DOJ Like that's the thing. They're like, let's fight

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Speaker 4: for something and let's stop in Musk from destroying the

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Speaker 4: federal government.

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Speaker 5: Like that's the thing they.

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Speaker 1: Want, So I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I just still I still grapple with It's because we

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Speaker 3: was talking about Crystal and she was like, oh, you

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Speaker 3: have his attention, and I'm like, what do It's like?

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Speaker 3: Do people want to see Maxwell Frost? Like do a

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Speaker 3: sit in front of the USA?

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Speaker 7: I d B.

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Speaker 1: I mean just think you look like an idiot? You

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Speaker 1: know personally?

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Speaker 3: Is that what the Democratic base wants? Like they want

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Speaker 3: them to fight on the budget. There's issue it would

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Speaker 3: that even be enough for them? Like if I think

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Speaker 3: back to the Tea Party and like how they were

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Speaker 3: able to do it. It took taking super unpopular positions,

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Speaker 3: holding the government hostage, and you needed Fox News like

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Speaker 3: a constant media drum beat, yeah, which they don't have,

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Speaker 3: but I mean maybe they do. I mean I was

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Speaker 3: looking at Midas touch, which I try to pay attention

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Speaker 3: to them now because I think they're like the heart

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Speaker 3: of the Democratic resistance. And I mean a lot of

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Speaker 3: this stuff is like I don't see politicians per se

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Speaker 3: like engaging with it. And a lot of is just

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Speaker 3: like Trump loses it as he gets laughed at by

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Speaker 3: the world seven hundred and sixteen thousand views. A lot

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Speaker 3: of it is like dunk on Trump content, which I

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Speaker 3: guess obviously is still appetite for no no hate.

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Speaker 1: You know, listen, it's a free market.

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Speaker 3: I wish you guys the best, But I don't see

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Speaker 3: how that translates into being a democratic politician. I just

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Speaker 3: don't understand how they are supposed to channel that energy.

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Speaker 3: Because we talked about this last time, which is that

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Speaker 3: Russia Gate was fake at the end. The part of

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Speaker 3: the reason why they're so demoralized is they staked everything

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Speaker 3: on a genuine lie about what about the Like it

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Speaker 3: was an undemocratic, literal lie about Donald Trump, And so

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Speaker 3: that's why they don't have any ground to fight on.

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Speaker 3: And that's why I just I don't know what the

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Speaker 3: quote unquote democratic base wants their politicians to fight on.

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Speaker 3: When all their fight it's like for what the integrity

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Speaker 3: of usaid. It's like, okay, I mean, you know, be

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Speaker 3: my guest, I don't see how that is at all.

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Speaker 4: Maybe yeah, Education Department like FAA, NIHK like that kind

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Speaker 4: of stuff.

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Speaker 5: We'll see March.

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Speaker 4: We're less than a month away from this funding deadline,

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Speaker 4: and you know, who knows what stuff Elon Musk breaks

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Speaker 4: between now and then.

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Speaker 3: Anything I mean that's the risk though, but at the

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Speaker 3: end of the day, it's still reactive. You're waiting for

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Speaker 3: your enemy to screw up as opposed to like proposing

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Speaker 3: anything else. We see some of this with hak King Jefferies.

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Speaker 3: By the way, let's take a listen.

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Speaker 10: Donald Trump's favorability rating is actually higher than it ever

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Speaker 10: was the first time round. Let me ask you. A

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Speaker 10: recent poll by Marquette looked at several of the things

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Speaker 10: that he has done or says that he is going

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Speaker 10: to do, and sixty three percent favor federal government's recognition

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Speaker 10: of only two sexes, sixty percent favored deporting immigrants who

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Speaker 10: entered the United States illegally, sixty percent favor expanding oil

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Speaker 10: and gas production, fifty nine percent favored declaring an emergency

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Speaker 10: at the southern border. Is there anything you are seeing

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Speaker 10: that that Trump is doing that you are in favor of?

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Speaker 10: Do you think is the right thing?

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Speaker 11: Let me say, as it relates to all of those issues,

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Speaker 11: we're just at the beginning, and the core promise that

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Speaker 11: Donald Trump made is that he's going to lower costs

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Speaker 11: for everyday Americans. In fact, we were told that grocery

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Speaker 11: prices would go down on day one on January twentieth,

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Speaker 11: costs aren't lower. In fact, costs are increasing. The price

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Speaker 11: of eggs is skyrocketing out of control. Inflation is on

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Speaker 11: the way up. That was the core promise that's been broken.

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Speaker 11: With respect to immigration. Listen, we have to secure the border.

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Speaker 11: We have a broken immigration system, and we need to

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Speaker 11: fix it in a comprehensive and bipartisan way at the

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Speaker 11: same period of time as Democrats. We're going to protect dreamers,

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Speaker 11: protect farm workers, and protect families who help our communities

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Speaker 11: across the country thrive.

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Speaker 3: I don't even know where to start with this guy.

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Speaker 3: He's got negative charisma, no political risk. But that is

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Speaker 3: where I do feel somewhat sympathy for the for the

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Speaker 3: liberals out there where I'm like, man, it's like but

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Speaker 3: I will tell you, you're the people who set up

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Speaker 3: the system that you know, promoted the Hakim Jeffries of

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Speaker 3: the world and the complete you know, monarchy of Nancy

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Speaker 3: Pelosi and Chuck Schumer over the Democratic Party where they

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Speaker 3: can handpick whoever they want. There's not even a semblance

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Speaker 3: of popularity whenever it comes to who's controlling the response

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Speaker 3: for this party who just suffered a massive Loft.

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Speaker 4: So this was one of the more demoralizing moments too,

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Speaker 4: when the left knocked Joe Crowley out, who was supposed

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Speaker 4: to be the next speaker, right, and he was caucus

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Speaker 4: chair at the time, and so then Barbara Lee runs

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Speaker 4: for caucus chair against Takim Jeffries, who is Crowley's protege, Yes,

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Speaker 4: and Jeffries wins.

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Speaker 5: So it's like, I just don't have the energy.

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Speaker 3: You're just one are the activists. They'd be like, I'm

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Speaker 3: just so tired of being tired.

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Speaker 5: I was tired. I was. But what's interesting is that,

663
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Speaker 5: And what's interesting about.

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Speaker 4: That clip in particular, Jeffries, whatever you think about his politics,

665
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Speaker 4: is actually one of the more talented communicators that they've

666
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Speaker 4: ever had in a leadership role.

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Speaker 5: And that was not an energetic performance at all.

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Speaker 4: And I think that that there's substance and a structural problem,

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Speaker 4: but beneath it. In twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen, when Democrats

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Speaker 4: are feeling their oats, Keem Jeffries could get on any

671
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Speaker 4: cable program or get the get on the House floor

672
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Speaker 4: and give a speech that two Democrats was inspiring because

673
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Speaker 4: they had a sense of what their moral core was

674
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Speaker 4: a Trump, and it was immigration, and you know, he

675
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:51,319
Speaker 4: was treating you know like you know, Trump was you know,

676
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Speaker 4: evil and awful, and they were going to stand up

677
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Speaker 4: to him, and they don't have that anymore. At the end,

678
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Speaker 4: he finishes by what the Democratic compromise is on immigration

679
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 4: rather than what it used to be. You know, the

680
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Speaker 4: yard sign that said all are welcome, All are welcome.

681
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Speaker 4: It has a moral urgency to it, and that allowed

682
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Speaker 4: people like Jeffries to speak with more confidence. And so

683
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Speaker 4: to have somebody who's as good a communicator as him

684
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 4: sounds so bad, and so to lack so much confidence

685
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Speaker 4: suggests that the Democrats really just don't have.

686
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Speaker 1: Their footing, because I agree, you know, they really they

687
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Speaker 1: just and He's.

688
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Speaker 4: Got a clean hit with the like, hey, didn you

689
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Speaker 4: say you're going to do something about inflation? Like that's

690
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Speaker 4: the that's their cleanest hit.

691
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Speaker 3: Right, But they but they're so dizzy by Elon and

692
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Speaker 3: all this other stuff. They just don't know what to do. Well,

693
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Speaker 3: I'm sure we'll keep talking about it. It is one

694
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Speaker 3: of the central stories. It's kind of hilarious, honestly to

695
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Speaker 3: see them all fall apart.

696
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Speaker 1: Let's get to Luigi. What do you have for us

697
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Speaker 1: on Luigi.

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Speaker 5: All right, so our man, Luigi man gion.

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Speaker 1: He's back your man, not mine.

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Speaker 3: Although, although I have to be honest, Luigi and I

701
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 3: have a lot in common. We both love ye a lot.

702
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 3: We we read a lot of the same books. We

703
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:08,840
Speaker 3: share a lot of the same theories about Japan. I

704
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 3: guess we both do hate uh we both hate corporate

705
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Speaker 3: health care, so you know, but that's something that we

706
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:15,319
Speaker 3: all a lot of. Is ham and he has become

707
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Speaker 3: a leftist icon, although every single I wouldn't say esoteric.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's it's a stupid thing.

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Speaker 3: I think I described him as a right wing anarcho capitalist.

710
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:31,399
Speaker 3: That's the that's probably the best description, although anybody who

711
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 3: just murders someone in cold blood is probably not all

712
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Speaker 3: the ware together.

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Speaker 1: But nonetheless has become a popular.

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Speaker 4: Figure, and so he is lawyer, yes speaks. His lawyers

715
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 4: have put out a statement. When you put this up

716
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 4: on the screen, he says, I am overwhelmed by and

717
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 4: grateful for everyone who has written me to share their

718
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:53,399
Speaker 4: stories and express their support powerfully. This support has transcended political, racial,

719
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 4: and even class divisions, as male has flooded Metropolitan Detention

720
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Speaker 4: Center from across the country and around the globe. While

721
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Speaker 4: it is impossible for me to reply to most letters,

722
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,399
Speaker 4: please note that I read everyone that I receive. Thank

723
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:08,959
Speaker 4: you again to everyone who took the time to write.

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Speaker 4: I look forward to hearing more in the future. The

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00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:20,320
Speaker 4: lawyers also posted an faq on luigimanngioneinfo dot com, which

726
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:24,400
Speaker 4: is tells you everything anybody might want to know about Luigi,

727
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 4: so you know where is he.

728
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Speaker 7: Like?

729
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:31,280
Speaker 5: For instance, may I send him items like books?

730
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Speaker 3: But put E two up there on the screen ext

731
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Speaker 3: The funny part about this is faq is it represents

732
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Speaker 3: all of the mail that they're getting. Can I send

733
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:42,240
Speaker 3: mail to Aligi? Can you respond? Are there any restriction

734
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Speaker 3: on his mail? May I send him books? Can I

735
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Speaker 3: send him photos?

736
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Speaker 1: Did you see that? Can I send him photos?

737
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 3: So?

738
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:49,919
Speaker 1: Ladies or men?

739
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 7: Or men?

740
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 1: So?

741
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:55,280
Speaker 4: He has asked people to limit the number of photos

742
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Speaker 4: they send to five no listeners.

743
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Speaker 3: Due to the volume of photos could dig longer than

744
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 3: usual to screen and shared.

745
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:07,319
Speaker 4: So also quote Please note that every photo that has

746
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Speaker 4: received is screened.

747
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 5: And reviewed by Basman.

748
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:13,399
Speaker 4: First, just an fyi for those of you who are

749
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 4: sending pics.

750
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 3: Can you imagine this guy's in box? He said, jail,

751
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 3: how can I sign up for official court information? What

752
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:27,399
Speaker 3: else can I send Luigi's for this other than books, mail,

753
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 3: news article or photos?

754
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:29,400
Speaker 1: No other eyes.

755
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 3: The Brier Prisons does not allow packages from outside of

756
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Speaker 3: the facility. Everything must be purchased through his commissary account.

757
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 4: And then it says how can I contribute to Luigi

758
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:43,320
Speaker 4: and that it links to his Gifts and Go, which

759
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 4: has a goal of a million dollars raised and so

760
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 4: far has raised. According to this four hundred and sixty

761
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 4: seven thousand and seven hundred and fifty four dollars from

762
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Speaker 4: it looks like more than fifteen thousand people, more than

763
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Speaker 4: a thousand people have done pray praying for Luigi, okay,

764
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:06,479
Speaker 4: which is okay, That's where I'm gonna go with weird

765
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 4: because it's like, if you're praying, I assume you're Christian, Muslim, Jewish,

766
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:16,399
Speaker 4: like you've got some idea about the sanctity of life.

767
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 5: And he did kill somebody, right allegedly.

768
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Speaker 1: Allegedly he has guilty.

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Speaker 3: You know today there's a documentary actually it's an app

770
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:29,280
Speaker 3: that we're doing. This documentary premiers about him today from HBO,

771
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:33,799
Speaker 3: which is one hour one but apparently like in the

772
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Speaker 3: hours after the killing, there were four separate doc deals

773
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Speaker 3: that were signed, like Netflix, HBO and I mean, look, I'm.

774
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 1: Gonna watch it, Let's be honest.

775
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:41,799
Speaker 5: I don't watch it.

776
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 3: I'm gonna watch White Lotus and then I'm gonna watch

777
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 3: the Luigi thing. It just has to be done. It's

778
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 3: just one of those where I'll probably watch everything about it.

779
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 3: It's like the Fire Festival, you know, where did we

780
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 3: need two documentaries?

781
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 5: Apparently we did, We did so.

782
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Speaker 3: I mean, I just think it's fascinating because it hasn't

783
00:39:57,920 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 3: been in the news for what two months almost three

784
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 3: months now since all of this, but it's pretty clear

785
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:05,880
Speaker 3: there's still a lot of public interest in the case.

786
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 3: And I don't know, I mean, I remember Ken and

787
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:10,840
Speaker 3: Crystal and everybody else talking about it and be like,

788
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 3: you can just see the explosion of if not outright

789
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 3: support or at the very least discussed for the healthcare guy.

790
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Speaker 3: But if you look at the democratic response, none of

791
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Speaker 3: it seems to incorporate any of that popular energy. Like

792
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Speaker 3: we just talked, play that clip of Hakim Jeffreys, and

793
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 3: so it couldn't be more out of step with whatever

794
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 3: the hell this is. I mean, there's a lot of

795
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 3: people out there apparently sending third traps to Luigi, man

796
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:37,840
Speaker 3: printing them out and sending them to a Bureau of Prisons,

797
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Speaker 3: which you know you.

798
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Speaker 1: Need help, but I don't know.

799
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Speaker 3: I mean, serial killers also get that stuff apparently all

800
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Speaker 3: the time.

801
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,360
Speaker 1: So what do I know. There's a weird segment of

802
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Speaker 1: the public out there.

803
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Speaker 4: Luigi's defense probably still rests on the potential of jury mulification,

804
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:51,839
Speaker 4: like you.

805
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,319
Speaker 3: Think, so well, okay, so explain this one to me too.

806
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 3: Doesn't he have two separate charges. There's there's state charge.

807
00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 3: So what's the difference. What's the federal charge that's against it?

808
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 3: I guess I was reading on his website. I didn't

809
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:03,839
Speaker 3: quite understand it.

810
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:07,720
Speaker 4: It's depriving somebody of their h they're basically their civil

811
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:08,839
Speaker 4: rights by killing them.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So why they didn't do that and he would

813
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 3: do that? Is it because he crossed interstate lines? Is

814
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 3: because he went from Pennsylvania to or sorry plan.

815
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Speaker 4: I guess that would that would qualify. The Feds will

816
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 4: often do this if they think that the.

817
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:24,439
Speaker 5: State won't handle Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Right, So there's people versus MANGIONI New York State, there's

819
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Speaker 3: Commonwealth of PA versus Manngioni, and then there's USA versus

820
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:32,800
Speaker 3: Mangioni at the federal level.

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Speaker 1: I was just trying to understand. I was like, well,

822
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Speaker 1: what did he do in Pennsylvania?

823
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Speaker 3: And sometimes it was possession of a false identification, probably

824
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 3: something like that.

825
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:42,239
Speaker 4: Sometimes this will happen to cops where they will be

826
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Speaker 4: acquitted or not charged. More often I think not charged.

827
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Speaker 4: There's some double jeopardy implications. Okay, if you're acquitted not charged,

828
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Speaker 4: but at the state level, and then the FEDS will

829
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Speaker 4: come in and do a civil rights case against the cop.

830
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Speaker 5: So I don't know, we'll see.

831
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Speaker 3: All right, well, oh yeah, so it is your travel

832
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Speaker 3: in interstate commerce with the intent to kill, injure, harass, intimidate,

833
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 3: and place under surveillance with the intent to kill. That's

834
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Speaker 3: the federal It's stalking is the charge that has been

835
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Speaker 3: leveled against him. And then murder through use of a

836
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Speaker 3: firearm on top of firearms offences that I guess stack

837
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Speaker 3: on top of.

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Speaker 5: It, right, because it did the interstate thing.

839
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Speaker 3: Interstate all right, well, lesson in our justice system. I'm

840
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Speaker 3: sure it'll still I still think it'll be the trial

841
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Speaker 3: of the centry. We all know it well in terms

842
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Speaker 3: of the public interest on downtown in New York City,

843
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Speaker 3: there's there's.

844
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Speaker 1: A lot going on.

845
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Speaker 3: Stay tuned, all right, Ryan, you've got a good segment

846
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:39,919
Speaker 3: for us. Let's get to it, all right, Woke or Base?

847
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 3: All right, I'm ready to hit me.

848
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Speaker 5: Okay, so we can throw up e one here.

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Speaker 4: So there was this article that came out in Breitbart

850
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Speaker 4: recently by the anti trust holdover Doha Mechi continued woke

851
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 4: agenda instead of taking on big tech with a photo

852
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Speaker 4: of Doha Mechi there, okay, And this is just such

853
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 4: a fascinating I think entre into our into our current

854
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Speaker 4: politics that I wanted to unpack this thoroughly and play

855
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Speaker 4: a game with Sager called woke or Base because.

856
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Speaker 3: As a reminder of the audience, I have not seen

857
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 3: any of this. I have no idea what's coming.

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Speaker 4: And so the in this bright Bart article, which and

859
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 4: so we both have done enough Washington reporting that we

860
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Speaker 4: know that sometimes articles are the.

861
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Speaker 5: Powerful work of journalistic endeavors.

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Speaker 4: And some of it is fed to Other times you

863
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Speaker 4: get an OPO document which just fed to you, and

864
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 4: as you read this one, we don't know.

865
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Speaker 5: You can never say for one certain where it came from.

866
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Speaker 4: But you're like, did this bright Bart guy really come

867
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Speaker 4: up with all of these different examples or were these

868
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Speaker 4: package So this looks looks like OPO and which means

869
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Speaker 4: corporate OPO at this point not not part as an OPO.

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Speaker 4: And so the key part here of this article put

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Speaker 4: up E two here that Brave Heart Rights. Many populist Republicans,

872
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 4: including Jadie Vance and Josh Holly, also supported Biden's anti

873
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Speaker 4: trust chief Jonathan Canter for continuing the work of the

874
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Speaker 4: first Trump administration with lawsuits against Apple and Google. A

875
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Speaker 4: slater who's an incoming Trump anti chief enforcer will almost

876
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:21,840
Speaker 4: certainly continue these lawsuits against big tech. However, after Canter

877
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 4: resigned on December eighteenth, his woke deputy, Doha Mecki, took

878
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 4: over as acting anti trust chief and pushed through many

879
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Speaker 4: radical actions in the last weeks of Biden's lame duck presidency.

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Speaker 5: So look at the two step here is interesting.

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Speaker 4: What they're trying to say is like, Okay, we acknowledge

882
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 4: that Jonathan Canter, Lena Khan, that entire anti monopoly universe

883
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 4: in the democratic ecosystem is cool because.

884
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:50,400
Speaker 5: It was doing the same stuff that Trump was doing.

885
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:54,279
Speaker 4: So they realized they can't really attack that because it

886
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 4: has populist bona fides that are.

887
00:44:58,600 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 5: Impregnable.

888
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 4: But they're saying this woke lady came in and did

889
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 4: a bunch of mean things to Corporate America because she's woke.

890
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 5: And so we're going to go through their bill.

891
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:15,919
Speaker 4: Of indictment against Doha Mechi for being woke. And let's

892
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:19,399
Speaker 4: actually click the links that they provide to decide whether

893
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:21,800
Speaker 4: or not the action they're describing.

894
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 5: Is woke or is it base?

895
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:24,759
Speaker 1: Okay, what do we got?

896
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 4: So in the final weeks of the Biden administration, Mechi

897
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:33,240
Speaker 4: issued rules addressing quote HR policies, which typically have nothing

898
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 4: to do with anti trust policy. So the guidelines provide

899
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 4: examples and cite cases to explain how the agencies analyze

900
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 4: business practices that may violate anti trust laws. The guidlines

901
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 4: also explained certain types of agreements between employers, such as

902
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 4: wage fixing or no poach agreements, may expose companies and

903
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,760
Speaker 4: executives to criminal liability under the anti trust laws.

904
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 5: So what did Mechi do?

905
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 4: She told companies around the country that if you enter

906
00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:02,439
Speaker 4: into no poach agreement wage fixing, those types of non

907
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 4: competes that not only could you be civilly liable, you

908
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 4: could also even be criminally liable. Is that woke or

909
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:09,359
Speaker 4: is that base?

910
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:11,759
Speaker 3: I would say based, I would personally say based telling

911
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 3: telling a company what to do and not.

912
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:16,399
Speaker 1: To exploit people supposed to be based. But apparently it's

913
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 1: woke here, all right?

914
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, so oh and I forgot.

915
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:22,880
Speaker 4: We're dedicating We're dedicating this segment to none other than

916
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:28,439
Speaker 4: Hillary Clinton for her the most woke comment ever made

917
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 4: on behalf of corporate America, which defines basically an entire era.

918
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 5: So roll e four here to remind people, if we.

919
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 12: Broke up the big banks tomorrow, and I will if

920
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 12: if they are ast a systemic risks, I will with

921
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 12: that end racism with that, and sexism with that, and

922
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 12: discrimination against the LGBT community.

923
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:52,880
Speaker 5: That's the one Crystal's favorites.

924
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 4: That's the essence of corporate America using woke language to

925
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 4: defend itself, saying, don't break up the big banks. Why

926
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 4: because that won't won't solve gay rights, won't won't do

927
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:06,439
Speaker 4: all these other things.

928
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 5: All right, So we got we got one. We got

929
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 5: one for based here.

930
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:15,319
Speaker 4: Okay, next, Breitbart says, quote she issued a last minute

931
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 4: lawsuit against six major landlords in line with the Biden administrations,

932
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:23,800
Speaker 4: blaming AI and landlords rather than his own inflationary policies

933
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 4: for high rent. So you can put up I believe

934
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 4: this is East six, which I don't even think I

935
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 4: need to explain to you or to the audience this one.

936
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:34,880
Speaker 5: So this was, Yeah, we cover this one, Yeah, we

937
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 5: covered this.

938
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 4: This is a this is a mechy policy that she

939
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 4: rolled out attacking landlords over.

940
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Speaker 5: Juicing rent. Is it woke, woke er based?

941
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 3: I gotta go with based. I gotta go with base personally.

942
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 3: But I mean, let's let's make this clear. I don't

943
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 3: speak for quote maga, populist writer, any of these people,

944
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 3: and even woke and or based. It basically gets defined

945
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:59,800
Speaker 3: in terms of like, in terms of liberalism and who.

946
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 1: The person is.

947
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 3: So for example, if you fire like you're talking about,

948
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:05,319
Speaker 3: this is what basically I think the point you're trying

949
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 3: to make. If you have a lady who's a LIB

950
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 3: and you own that lib, that's based right in terms

951
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:14,399
Speaker 3: of the culture war. The problem is is that when

952
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:16,359
Speaker 3: you actually look at some of these policies and things

953
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:20,720
Speaker 3: like that, some of these things just these definitions fall apart,

954
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 3: and that is part of the problem with a lot

955
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:24,919
Speaker 3: of the attack vector. This kind of gets the whole

956
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 3: idea of those versus MAGA and what it even means.

957
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 3: But part of the thing I always try to point

958
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 3: out is like, guys, magas whatever Trump wants it to be.

959
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:35,880
Speaker 1: And that's where there are a lot of people who

960
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 1: are like, this doesn't fit with what Trump ran on.

961
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:40,319
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, you know, the thing is Trump at

962
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:40,880
Speaker 1: the end of the day.

963
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:42,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, he said a lot of stuff, but what did

964
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:45,279
Speaker 3: he really say? I alone can fix it, And I

965
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 3: increasingly think that's really what Trump was all about. And

966
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:51,840
Speaker 3: to the extent that he's good or he's bad, or

967
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 3: he's maga or whatever, it's whatever it aligns in terms

968
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 3: of his transactional reality and whatever happens to be him

969
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:00,319
Speaker 3: feeling that day. But if he had faith eat in

970
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 3: some sort of broader agenda, I mean, honestly, like, you

971
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 3: didn't hear it here.

972
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:06,799
Speaker 5: I tell you that, luckily I didn't have any faith.

973
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:10,239
Speaker 4: Yes, so we have two more so this next one

974
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 4: is she sued KKR over paperwork violations.

975
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Speaker 5: That's what That's how Breitbart describes it.

976
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 4: So basically KKR, massive private equity firm that does mergers

977
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 4: and acquisitions. Uh, there is a there are federal laws

978
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 4: that require that if you're doing a major merger that

979
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:29,800
Speaker 4: you submit filing, you know, with the Department of Justice.

980
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 4: Here's what we're doing so that you can review this.

981
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 4: KKR came up with a clever workaround. They're like, what

982
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 4: if we don't do that and we just do the merger,

983
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 4: then it can't be reviewed in this In this document

984
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:48,240
Speaker 4: they have they quote from several executives who are saying.

985
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 5: Less is more.

986
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 4: Let's make sure we are not submitting these works. So

987
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 4: this is this wokeness run them up or based?

988
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:58,360
Speaker 3: That one is I don't I wouldn't call that necessarily based.

989
00:49:58,560 --> 00:49:59,840
Speaker 3: But this is more of a personal thing. Is that

990
00:49:59,920 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 3: I I hate private equity firms like KKR, so I'm

991
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 3: personally sported.

992
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:04,759
Speaker 5: So go go rip them now.

993
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:09,319
Speaker 4: Now this is part is the last one is where

994
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:11,319
Speaker 4: it gets interesting and I think we can and we

995
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 4: can actually start talking about some philosophy here.

996
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 5: So they also whack her for Mechi, so quote this

997
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 5: is bright part. Mechi repeatedly invoked W. E. B.

998
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:28,360
Speaker 4: Du bois a Black Marxist thinker to further her argument

999
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:34,280
Speaker 4: that antitrust laws must be used against what she considers racism.

1000
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 4: This one was to me the most egregious because it

1001
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:44,920
Speaker 4: is actually backwards. It is a reverse, incorrect reading of

1002
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:47,439
Speaker 4: the speech that they reference. So you can put up E.

1003
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 4: Eight and for the fun of it, let me do

1004
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 4: this whole three paragraph section of it. So this is

1005
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:54,799
Speaker 4: from us. The speech that they said is woke. So

1006
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 4: the economic opportunities in liberties protected by the Sherman Act,

1007
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:00,759
Speaker 4: this is what she said as in her speech. In particular,

1008
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 4: protections against monopolies were important to the founders too. Jefferson

1009
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 4: Lift listed a restriction against monopolies among the rights that

1010
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 4: deserved to be enumerated in the Bill of Rights. After all,

1011
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:14,799
Speaker 4: England's grant of monopolies for different products, including tea, may

1012
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:18,279
Speaker 4: well have set the American revolution in motion. The foundations

1013
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:20,920
Speaker 4: on which the Sherman Act rests are not limited solely

1014
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 4: to concern about contractual restraints, property rights, and industrial relations.

1015
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:29,920
Speaker 4: They also contemplate individual liberty and concern about distribution of power.

1016
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:34,280
Speaker 4: Why is this concern for economic opportunity and liberty so important?

1017
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 4: I come back to my thesis, because efforts to secure

1018
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 4: social and political rights are at risk if they are

1019
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:45,279
Speaker 4: not backstopped by economic opportunity, and because antitrust plays an

1020
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 4: important role in our economic liberty and democracy of opportunity tradition.

1021
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 4: In his nineteen thirty five book Black Reconstruction in America,

1022
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 4: du Bois famously argued that a key reason why the

1023
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 4: Confederacy collapsed and the institution of slavery with it, was

1024
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:01,759
Speaker 4: because when Union sold arrived in the South, black Americans,

1025
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:04,560
Speaker 4: as do Boys put it, left the plantations and led

1026
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:08,239
Speaker 4: a general strike. They exercised the most basic economic right

1027
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:11,480
Speaker 4: that comes with freedom, the freedom to make decisions about

1028
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:15,480
Speaker 4: one's labor. The exercise of this economic liberty devastated the

1029
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 4: Southern economy, and, as he put it, furnished two hundred

1030
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:22,919
Speaker 4: thousand Federal soldiers. There is no this is no doubt

1031
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:25,480
Speaker 4: resonant for all of us in the room who have

1032
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 4: helped advance labor competition, jurisprudence, and protected the ability of

1033
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:32,759
Speaker 4: organized workers to act collectively.

1034
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 5: So you respond to that, while I find her whether.

1035
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:37,399
Speaker 1: That's or it's based.

1036
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you know, like I said, it's it could

1037
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 3: be based, could be woke.

1038
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:43,279
Speaker 5: I guess it don't really know. You know.

1039
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:47,280
Speaker 4: Unfortunately, and here's the quote where she finishes. She says,

1040
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 4: on this telling, we should think harder about calls to

1041
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:55,400
Speaker 4: subordinate our anti trust and anti monopoly laws purportedly in

1042
00:52:55,480 --> 00:53:00,360
Speaker 4: service of some other social and political values. So she's saying,

1043
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:05,920
Speaker 4: do not subordinate antitrust to a push for civil rights

1044
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:08,479
Speaker 4: or for other woke or for a woke agen.

1045
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 5: She's specifically explicitly saying, do not do that.

1046
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 4: She's saying that economic rights are fundamental. Are If you

1047
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 4: don't have economic liberty, if you don't have economic resources

1048
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 4: in your community, you don't have the ability to fight

1049
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 4: for political and civil rights. It is the reverse of

1050
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:34,240
Speaker 4: wokeism to lead to say no, that it is essential.

1051
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 5: American liberty is essential.

1052
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 4: So to have that, to me, to have that speech,

1053
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:42,640
Speaker 4: the evidence of her wokeness was like, well, what are

1054
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:43,600
Speaker 4: you going on here, Brian?

1055
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:46,440
Speaker 3: You probably taught ten times harder about this article than

1056
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:47,080
Speaker 3: the personally.

1057
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, because he took stuff that was handed to him

1058
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:53,359
Speaker 4: as my guests and just slap and just slap.

1059
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:56,280
Speaker 3: If anything, Look, this is a very good view into

1060
00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:59,799
Speaker 3: exactly how look everything is about framing right, So as

1061
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 3: you what did they say, like some black Marxist is

1062
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 3: the way that they phrase it.

1063
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 1: I unfortunately don't know.

1064
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:06,040
Speaker 5: Enough about it.

1065
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:07,880
Speaker 1: I need to find a good book about it.

1066
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:11,279
Speaker 3: You no, no, no, I've read about him, but I have

1067
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:15,840
Speaker 3: never read a book specifically about him. And it gets

1068
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 3: to the heart of where all the tension is with

1069
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:24,120
Speaker 3: MAGA and you know, with Bannonism, with the coherent ideology

1070
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:26,439
Speaker 3: around this. But I think really what it comes down

1071
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:30,880
Speaker 3: to is the current vector is all about control within

1072
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:34,520
Speaker 3: the right, and to the extent that anything is considered

1073
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:36,799
Speaker 3: like horseshoe or whatever, the right is the one that

1074
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:39,520
Speaker 3: has to be in control. And I'm speaking in terms

1075
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:41,839
Speaker 3: of the way that they see this movement. So for them,

1076
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:44,960
Speaker 3: anybody who was willing to work with the Biden apparatics

1077
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 3: or any of these people, these are bad, right, These

1078
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:48,440
Speaker 3: are enemies we need, and if we're going to have

1079
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:50,480
Speaker 3: anybody who even agrees with that, it has to be

1080
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:53,560
Speaker 3: somebody who already aligns with us on the cultural issues.

1081
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:56,359
Speaker 3: So I do think it's unfortunate because yeah, you have

1082
00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 3: people like Chopra and others who really did try to

1083
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:04,200
Speaker 3: you know, transcend I guess partisan boundaries, but what can

1084
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 3: we say. The number one listen here, is that good

1085
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:08,840
Speaker 3: faith does not get rewarded in Washington.

1086
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:10,120
Speaker 5: No, that's really the what happened.

1087
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:12,840
Speaker 3: My number one lesson from any of those people, and

1088
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:14,960
Speaker 3: I hate to say it because it almost makes me

1089
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:18,080
Speaker 3: sound like Blue Maga is, Oh, you're an idiot forever

1090
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:19,840
Speaker 3: trying to work with those people.

1091
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 1: They're like, at the end of the day, it's about

1092
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 1: us where a team, and we fight within the team.

1093
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 3: I don't think it should work that way, but that's

1094
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 3: where the political incentives are right.

1095
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:30,160
Speaker 4: And it also noticed as the last point, notice the

1096
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:34,480
Speaker 4: interesting trap it sets up because anybody who's watching this

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Speaker 4: by the end is like, wait a minute. So all

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Speaker 4: of the things that they claimed made her woke actually

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Speaker 4: are not woke at all. What they're left with is

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Speaker 4: she's black. Yeah, and it's like, wait a minute. The

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Speaker 4: one quote that the right loves from Martin Luther King

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Speaker 4: is like, let's judge people by the content of their character,

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Speaker 4: not the color of their skin.

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Speaker 5: Did not happen with doaha here? But the second that

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Speaker 5: I say that, they're like, aha, you're now you're woke.

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Speaker 5: And we were right. We're right the whole time.

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Speaker 4: So it's this like get out of doing like pretty

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Speaker 4: blatant racism free card, because as soon as you criticize that,

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Speaker 4: then you're being well.

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Speaker 1: I used toe race everywhere. Ryan, you're the one, you're

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Speaker 1: the one who pointed it out.

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Speaker 5: Not that that's right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, look, Bustin, I don't even know if that's that.

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Speaker 3: I I really don't know if it's that deep. I

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Speaker 3: really just think it was some stupid corporate apoh piece.

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Speaker 5: I think it was kk R.

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Speaker 1: Yeah right, Yeah, you're absolutely right.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and there's the KKK.

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Speaker 4: KKR's attorneys are the same that have Eric Adams now

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Speaker 4: and we can we can get into that some other times.

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Speaker 1: That's that's gonna be. I actually am looking forward to that.

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Speaker 3: All right, guys. I hope you guys enjoyed the Bro Show.

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Speaker 3: I certainly did. Chrys will be back tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: We'll see you all the