1 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:11,160 Speaker 1: It's that time. Time time, time, luck and load. The 2 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:13,720 Speaker 1: Michael Verie Show is on the air. 3 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 2: It is time we revisit COVID. There are people trying 4 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:37,560 Speaker 2: to bring it back. It's like bell bottoms and wings 5 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 2: and beads. There are just things people keep trying to 6 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 2: bring back. Mary Tally Bowden is a is a reminder 7 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:52,239 Speaker 2: as to why we should not. We still don't have 8 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 2: all the information. We still have not revealed all the misinformation. 9 00:00:56,840 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 2: We still have not cast blame, and of course, most importantly, 10 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:04,960 Speaker 2: we still have not punished those who deserve to be punished. 11 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 2: Mary Tally Boden has a new book out. Oh, I 12 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 2: did not realize. Did you see the name of the book, 13 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 2: How Michael Barry Changed My Life? 14 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:19,320 Speaker 1: Wow? That is really nice. Mary Tally, welcome to the program. 15 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:20,120 Speaker 3: Thank you. 16 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 4: Yes, the majority of the book is all about you, Michael. 17 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 2: She did threaten that I should probably read it before 18 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:29,320 Speaker 2: she published it because I wouldn't like some of it. 19 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 1: And I said, that's okay, I just won't read it. 20 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 1: That's it. 21 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:33,759 Speaker 2: I'll just make sure nobody reads it. I'll just say 22 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:38,759 Speaker 2: it didn't get published. First of all, let's go back 23 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 2: to the first time you were on. 24 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:41,679 Speaker 1: You told Ramona it was August of twenty one. It 25 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 1: was not. 26 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 2: It was spring of twenty twenty. COVID was not a 27 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 2: big deal yet. And I had you on because I 28 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 2: saw a video of you that described self described you 29 00:01:56,720 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 2: as doctor snotsucker, and I said, any attract active woman, 30 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 2: doctor who can go by that name, that's that's I 31 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 2: like her already. And then I had you on and 32 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 2: we'd never met, and I kidded with you relentlessly, and 33 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 2: you told me afterwards that everybody said I. 34 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 1: Was mean to you. Does any of that jog your memory? 35 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 3: Yes, Well, don't take this the wrong way. 36 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:29,080 Speaker 4: But as you were, well, I, I mean, I honestly 37 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 4: had no idea who you were. 38 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 3: I don't think I ever listened to No. 39 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 4: I'm just saying no. But it just speaks to the 40 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:40,360 Speaker 4: fact that I was not political at all. Like I 41 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 4: had never turned on an AM radio talk show in 42 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:47,520 Speaker 4: my life, and I did not realize what I was 43 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 4: getting myself. 44 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 3: Into when I talked to you and then. 45 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 4: But I'm very grateful, So let's just set the record straight. 46 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 4: It was quite traumatic that interview because it went on 47 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 4: for three hours and I had act never done an 48 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 4: interview like that. I'd never done a live interview. 49 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 2: Uh. 50 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 3: And I was not. 51 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 4: Political, so I didn't know what I was getting myself into. 52 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 4: But I am very grateful Michael. 53 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 2: And we had dinner that night and my wife explained 54 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 2: to you, Oh, no, no, he he's that's he's jocular 55 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 2: with people. He really likes. That just means he really 56 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 2: likes you. And it is Oh, okay, if that's what 57 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 2: that means, all right. Uh, let's talk about your journey. 58 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 2: So you went from being a very successful doctor with 59 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 2: your own. 60 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 1: What was it oto laryngology? Remember remember oto? What is 61 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 1: it called. 62 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 3: Total laryngology? 63 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 1: Yes? 64 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 2: Yes, And I told you that was a dumb word. 65 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 2: And you didn't appreciate that. And I said, just be 66 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 2: an E and T. And you didn't appreciate that because 67 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 2: nobody ever appreciates me. And you went from being a 68 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 2: person with a successful practice in a great location of beautiful, 69 00:03:55,280 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 2: beautiful space, a beautiful, beautiful kids, everything going for you 70 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 2: at the corner of Kirby and Richmond, to in relatively 71 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 2: short order, COVID begins to accelerate. 72 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 1: And you did what. 73 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 2: Has to still seem crazy to you. You did what 74 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 2: we thought doctors were supposed to do. You passionately, zealously 75 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 2: tried to heal people and treat them. Tell a little 76 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 2: bit about that story, because that gets us to why 77 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:27,280 Speaker 2: you wrote the book and all the horrible things that 78 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 2: happened to you and are still happening. 79 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:31,559 Speaker 3: Yeah. 80 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 4: So, I mean I had a very quiet practice Ranis 81 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 4: and Throat, and you know, we're used to treating respiratory infections, 82 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 4: that's part and parcels are specialty. And so when patients 83 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 4: started coming in, I you know, we didn't know what 84 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:48,279 Speaker 4: we were dealing with necessarily, but I just kind of 85 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 4: used common sense and I just didn't I didn't have 86 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 4: the heart to turn people away, and I wasn't scared 87 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 4: of getting sick, so I just let people in. And 88 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:01,920 Speaker 4: at first, you know, I wasn't. I was pretty mainstream. 89 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 4: I used monoclonal antibodies and those worked great and they 90 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 4: weren't controversial. But then the government took away distribution of 91 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:12,719 Speaker 4: monoclona antibodies. It became harder and harder to get, and 92 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:15,280 Speaker 4: so that's when I turned to ivermectin, and I was 93 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 4: very diligent about making sure it was safe before using it, 94 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 4: because of all the controversy, and what I found is 95 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 4: I was still able to keep people out of the 96 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:28,719 Speaker 4: hospital using ivermectin. At the same time, I was seeing 97 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 4: that these COVID shots were not working. And at the 98 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 4: time I had a collegial relationship with Houston Methodists. I 99 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:40,840 Speaker 4: had privileges there, but only as a backstop as ear 100 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 4: nose and throat. I do outpatient surgery, never used the hospital, 101 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 4: and I was actually collaborating with them on research. But 102 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 4: when I saw that these shots weren't working, and as 103 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 4: Methodists was the first hospital in the country to mandate 104 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:59,840 Speaker 4: the shots, and that was five months before Biden. They 105 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:02,159 Speaker 4: paved the way for the rest of the country. It 106 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 4: was a big deal. So I started seeing that these 107 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 4: shots weren't working because I was testing people and I 108 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 4: saw that the people coming in who were vaccinated were 109 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 4: just as sick, if not sicker. I reached out to them, 110 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 4: I said, Hey, what's going on. They gas lipped me. 111 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:20,359 Speaker 4: They said, oh, it just lowers the severity. Well, I 112 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 4: started speaking out on social media and that was my 113 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:27,480 Speaker 4: fatal mistake, and they came after me very publicly, very harshly. 114 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 4: They suspended my privileges and I found out about it 115 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 4: from the media. I found out about it from a 116 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:36,720 Speaker 4: reporter at the Houston Chronicle. So it just upended my 117 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:42,599 Speaker 4: life very quickly. I had people from CNN watching them posts, 118 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 4: I had people screaming at me from Australia and calling 119 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 4: me all sorts of names, and I just decided to 120 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:51,840 Speaker 4: fight back. And I'm grateful to you because you really 121 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:54,719 Speaker 4: you were the first to give me a voice and 122 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 4: help me in that fight. 123 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:08,160 Speaker 2: As methodists began to attack you, as your credibility was attacked, 124 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 2: as people who never met you, whenever your patient knew 125 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 2: nothing about your body of work began to say and 126 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 2: do horrible things related to you. 127 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 1: What sustained you through that period, well the truth. 128 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 4: I mean, when you're standing by the truth, it's not 129 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 4: so hard. And seeing the patient's firsthand and witness everything 130 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 4: that I have stood by is what I have witness firsthand. 131 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 4: And when you treat albums of patients with the same 132 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 4: disease and a very short period of time, you quickly 133 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 4: become an expert. That's how you learn as a doctor. 134 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 4: You know based on how people respond to the treatment plan. 135 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 4: And so I was very confident in what I was doing. 136 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 4: I was seeing results. I was keeping people out of 137 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 4: the hospital, and I was telling the truth. And when 138 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 4: you have the truth, it's very easy to keep fighting. 139 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, you say that now that it was pretty nasty, 140 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 2: but they put you through. 141 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 1: But we're going to talk about what we have learned 142 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 1: from all of this. 143 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 2: The book is Dangerous Misinformation, The Virus, the Treatments and 144 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 2: the Lies. Mary tallybode doctor Mary tallybot our guest coming out. 145 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 1: The Michael Berry Show. It's Mary Tally, not Mary Jane. 146 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 1: It's totally different. It would be cool if it was okay. 147 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:41,200 Speaker 2: Doctor Mary tally Boden is our guest. Her book, Dangerous Misinformation, 148 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 2: The Virus, the Treatment and the Lies. Looking back now, 149 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:48,960 Speaker 2: with the body of knowledge you have, there are probably 150 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 2: five people in the country who've treated the most COVID patients, 151 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:56,319 Speaker 2: and you would be one of those five. You've been 152 00:08:56,360 --> 00:09:01,559 Speaker 2: on Tucker Carlson, Joe Rogan and most everywhere else talking 153 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 2: about what happened and what happened to you. Let's start 154 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 2: with what happened. You talked about monoclonal antibodies which you 155 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 2: were unable to get, which was an effective treatment. You 156 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 2: talked about ivermectin going back and knowing what we know. 157 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 2: Now you are king for a day and you get 158 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:24,200 Speaker 2: to announce this is what we're going to do to 159 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 2: treat COVID. 160 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 1: What would you do? 161 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 4: Well, you know, not certainly not introduce a gene modifying 162 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 4: experimental shot that doesn't work and mandate the country. 163 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:44,560 Speaker 3: I'll get it and give it to small babies. 164 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:50,200 Speaker 4: A monoclonal antivizer an option Ivermectin worked very well, and yeah, 165 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:51,960 Speaker 4: a lot of times you'd have to use in combination 166 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 4: with other medications for more severe cases. Breathing treatments that 167 00:09:57,760 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 4: was a big one. I mean, the hospitals would not 168 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 4: even allow patients to get breathing treatments. I talked to 169 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 4: somebody yesterday who was in the hospital and he would 170 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:10,680 Speaker 4: sneak into his bathroom while he was in the hospital 171 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:13,440 Speaker 4: and give himself breathing treatments and tell the nurses he 172 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 4: was taking a shower. 173 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 3: I mean, how absurd is that. 174 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:20,320 Speaker 4: But yeah, and you know, basically just giving the people 175 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 4: in the front lines and people actually treating COVID patients 176 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 4: more say in the matter. I mean, they were dictating 177 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:30,359 Speaker 4: standard of care over zoom calls. You know, government officials 178 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:33,959 Speaker 4: who had no firsthand experience actually treating these patients. 179 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:41,199 Speaker 2: There are so many things I want to uncover here. 180 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 2: Do you do anything differently in your personal medical regimen 181 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 2: or advise your patients to since COVID that you learned 182 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:51,439 Speaker 2: or adapted? 183 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 4: Well, I'm more diligent about vitamin D. 184 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 3: I look at the most. 185 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 4: Common lab abnormality I find is a low vitamin D, 186 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:03,560 Speaker 4: and the lab will tell you it needs to be 187 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 4: above thirty, but optimally you want it to be above fifty. 188 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 4: And people that are even taking supplements are often under fifty, 189 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 4: so that I would say that's sort of the most 190 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:16,080 Speaker 4: the biggest thing in terms of keeping your immune system healthy. 191 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 2: That's the answer vitamin The reason for the vitamin D 192 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 2: is to strengthen your immune system, right right. 193 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 4: Okay, I'm also you know I knew this before, but 194 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:32,960 Speaker 4: you know sugar, you know, infections love sugar, so like 195 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 4: managing your weight, and you know, I'm a big fan 196 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:39,200 Speaker 4: of carnivore diet, you know, eliminating all carbohydrates. 197 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 3: You don't have to do it for the rest. 198 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:43,080 Speaker 4: Of your life, but it really it helps you break 199 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 4: down fat. And you know the carbohydrates, the sugar infections 200 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:53,560 Speaker 4: just feed on that. So keeping your weight under control 201 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 4: and limiting your sugar intake is big. 202 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:58,840 Speaker 2: But let me ask you this, and I guess this 203 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:01,200 Speaker 2: would also be true of you. It would be because I've 204 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 2: seen it. Is it possible to be on the carnivore 205 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:05,440 Speaker 2: diet without posting about it fifty eight. 206 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:08,960 Speaker 1: Times per day? Does it still work? 207 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:09,440 Speaker 2: Okay? 208 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 1: I know, can you still do it? 209 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:15,679 Speaker 4: But what bothers? I'm just trying to fight all the 210 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 4: ozimpic propaganda. That's my purpose in doing that is that 211 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 4: there's a better way than injecting yourself with a medication 212 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:24,200 Speaker 4: that costs twelve hundred dollars a month. 213 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 3: So that's my past. 214 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:28,440 Speaker 4: That's why I'm so passionate about carnivore. I just feel 215 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:32,599 Speaker 4: like we've got to counteract all that big pharma propaganda. 216 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:36,560 Speaker 2: But realistically, realistically you, I mean, look at your life. 217 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 2: You went to Stanford, you went to medical school, you 218 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 2: went to specialized training. You've been a single mom, you've 219 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 2: opened your own practice, you've had multiple employees, you're a 220 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 2: fitness buff, You've done a lot of things. Most people, 221 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 2: if we're being honest, most people don't have your level 222 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 2: of discipline. So a person that's not able to shed 223 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:58,200 Speaker 2: the weight or not willing. Let me say that not 224 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 2: willing to shed the weight. The ozembic semaglutide category has 225 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 2: been a godsend to them because sure, what you're doing 226 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:09,079 Speaker 2: is working, but it's it's tough, and we know most 227 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 2: people are not going to do that. 228 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:14,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. 229 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:16,959 Speaker 4: It's so rewarding when you start doing the carnivore. I 230 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 4: mean it's a bit hard at first because the sugar 231 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 4: cravings are intense, but you start losing weight so quickly 232 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:25,959 Speaker 4: and you're you know, I would bring bacon to work. 233 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 4: I would eat bacon all day and eat steak and eggs. 234 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:30,720 Speaker 4: And it was shocking to me because that just sort 235 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 4: of goes against what we've been told this whole time, 236 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 4: that you know fat is bad for you. You actually 237 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 4: use fat as energy instead of sugar, and it's amazing. 238 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 4: It's very good for your brain too. You can focus better. 239 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 4: They're using it now for mental illness, to treat mental illness. 240 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 4: I use it for treating seizures. So I don't know. 241 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 3: I think it's work. 242 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 4: It doesn't hurt to try it, you know, And what 243 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 4: I was just I was shocked by the results and 244 00:13:56,679 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 4: so I was able to maintain it. I was very 245 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:02,440 Speaker 4: strict for six months. I'm not strict about now because 246 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:04,200 Speaker 4: I got to the point where I had to keep 247 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 4: buying new clothes and I was it was I didn't 248 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 4: want to lose any more weight. So I'm not strict 249 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:15,960 Speaker 4: about it anymore. But it's the results are pretty impressive. 250 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 2: For somebody that does want to try it. Was there 251 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 2: a particular book or site that you used as a guideline. 252 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, So there's a doctor who's pretty popular online, Ken Barry. 253 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 4: He has a lot of YouTube videos and I've actually 254 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 4: interviewed him to he has a lot of great information. 255 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 2: How important when you look at now how you've changed 256 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 2: and how you advise patients to change. How important in 257 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 2: all of that is diet And what are the other 258 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 2: aspects of diet that you now are advising that are 259 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 2: not within your original core competency. 260 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:59,560 Speaker 4: Well, I honestly think managing your way is the number 261 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 4: one thing you can do for your health, because if 262 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 4: you're overweight, it affects everything else. 263 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 3: It leads to high blood pressure, it leads to heart disease, cancer, So. 264 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 4: It's fundamental, And yeah, I think we basically covered My 265 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 4: big approach is limiting the carbohydrates as much as you can, 266 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 4: and then you know, exercise. I don't think people exercise. 267 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 4: I think is the best thing you can do for 268 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 4: your mental health. You never regret exercising when you do it, 269 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 4: you never want to do it, but when you're done, 270 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 4: you're so you're so glad you did it right. You 271 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 4: just have to remember that every time you're not wanting 272 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 4: to exercise. But I think it's the best thing you 273 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 4: can do for your mental health and relieving stress and 274 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 4: sleeping better. 275 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 3: It's very basic, and. 276 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 4: We've kind of lost that in medicine, and you know, honestly, 277 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 4: you're not really taught that in medical school. It comes 278 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 4: from life lessons more than anything. 279 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 1: But it's amazing. 280 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 2: I follow so many wellness folks, doctors, many not and 281 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 2: the consistency of cholesterol is. 282 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 1: Not your enemy, meets not your enemy. 283 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 2: Dangerous Misinformation, The Virus, The Treatment and the Lives. Mary 284 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 2: Tally Boden is our guests will continue our conversation coming up. 285 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 1: Ting must be right. You are listening to Michael Berry. 286 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 1: Mary Tally Boden is our guest. Doctor Mary Tally Boden. 287 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 2: The new book Dangerous Misinformation, The Virus, The Treatment, and 288 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 2: the lies. Let's talk about what happened to you personally. 289 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 2: When did you first realize that simply practicing medicine, trying 290 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 2: to heal people, which is supposed to be your calling, 291 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 2: was subjecting you to professional and personal problems. Real I 292 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 2: don't recall anybody attacked like this, maybe Jack of Orkian 293 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 2: doctor death that that may be the only person I've 294 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 2: ever seen attacked in this manner to the extent. 295 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 1: That you were. 296 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 4: Well, I mean, I wasn't the only one out there 297 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:04,200 Speaker 4: getting a chat, believe me. I mean, I'm actually getting ready. 298 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 4: The Federation of State Medical Boards is this national entity 299 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:13,480 Speaker 4: that basically sent out a proclamation to all the state 300 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:17,439 Speaker 4: medical boards to go after doctors who were, you know, 301 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 4: saying the things that I was saying. And initially I 302 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 4: was fairly conservative. And what I said compared to what 303 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:25,919 Speaker 4: I say now, I mean, I said vaccine mandates are 304 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:29,440 Speaker 4: wrong and iber mechin works, and that's that's I said 305 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:33,359 Speaker 4: that online, and that's what really got got me in trouble. 306 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 4: So yeah, it's uh, you know, it's basically, yeah, I 307 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 4: treated a lot of COVID patients, but in the grand 308 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 4: scheme of things, I was nothing. 309 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:45,720 Speaker 3: It was you know, I was just just. 310 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:49,360 Speaker 4: I really make a dent and things, and but Houston 311 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 4: Methodists went after me so publicly that it just launched 312 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:57,680 Speaker 4: me into the public eye. And then at that point 313 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:00,200 Speaker 4: I felt like I had no choice but to fight 314 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:00,920 Speaker 4: back very. 315 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:05,160 Speaker 2: Hard and walk people through. I don't know how many 316 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:07,679 Speaker 2: people know exactly how bad it got for you. And 317 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:10,200 Speaker 2: there were moments there where you thought you would lose 318 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 2: your ability to practice medicine. 319 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I'm still fighting for my medical license. 320 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:18,640 Speaker 3: The Medical Board has. 321 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 4: Been after me for four years now and involves a patient, 322 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 4: Jason Jones, who sheriff's deputy, father of six. He was 323 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:30,480 Speaker 4: dying in the hospital Texas Hugiley Hospital in Fort Worth. 324 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:33,960 Speaker 4: His wife sued the hospital because they refused to allow 325 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:36,719 Speaker 4: him to try ibermacton as a last ditch effort. 326 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 3: They were talking hospice. 327 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:42,640 Speaker 4: I testified. I actually testified with Senator Bob Hall, and 328 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 4: we won the case. The court was ordered to grant 329 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:50,040 Speaker 4: me emergency temporary privileges. We show up, A nurse shows 330 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 4: up at the hospital to give him ivermactin. She's greeted 331 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 4: by the police and they turned me into the Medical Board, 332 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 4: saying that I sent a nurse into the hospital without privilege. 333 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 4: Is the patient never was allowed to get the ivermectin. 334 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 4: He did make it out of the hospital, but he 335 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 4: was never able to fully recover and he passed away. 336 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 4: And now, ironically, as of yesterday, it looks like Texas 337 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:18,720 Speaker 4: is going to make ivermectin over the counter, which is 338 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:22,399 Speaker 4: bittersweet for me because yes, it should be over the counter. 339 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 4: But you know, there's so many people that you had. 340 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 4: This patient tried to get ivermectin before going in the 341 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:31,199 Speaker 4: hospital and he couldn't. But had he been able to 342 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 4: access early treatment, I doubt any of this would have happened. 343 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:38,240 Speaker 4: And that that's a story that many people can relate to, 344 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 4: not just some Texas but across the country. So the 345 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:47,240 Speaker 4: medical Board, I'm still you know, they are dragging this 346 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:50,960 Speaker 4: out as long as they possibly can, and you know, 347 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 4: I have lost so far, but I plan on appealing 348 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:59,400 Speaker 4: once they're there. I'm waiting to hear my punishment. So 349 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 4: they determined that I was guilty because I sent up 350 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:05,920 Speaker 4: nurse to the hospital without having been granted privileges, and 351 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:09,639 Speaker 4: now I'm waiting to hear my punishment, and at that 352 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 4: point I will have to appeal further. 353 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:15,399 Speaker 2: It's just insane. Greg Abbott could make this stop, but 354 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 2: he doesn't. You posted something a couple of weeks ago. 355 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:23,199 Speaker 2: I get this question a lot since since the spike 356 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 2: protein seems to be a big problem. We continue to 357 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 2: see people dropping dead with no chronic illness at rates 358 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 2: far above we've seen in history, and the belief being 359 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 2: that the mRNA quote unquote vaccine, which wasn't is the 360 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 2: reason for it. You've talked a lot about spike proteins. 361 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 2: Can you explain what is going on there? 362 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:51,240 Speaker 4: Well, spike protein is the bad part of the virus, 363 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 4: and for some reason they decided to create a injection 364 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 4: that would where your body could produce spike protein on 365 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:01,200 Speaker 4: its own indefinitely, with. 366 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:04,200 Speaker 3: No stop button. So the COVID. 367 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:07,680 Speaker 4: Shots, you know, unfortunately, we do not have a way 368 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:09,960 Speaker 4: to measure spike protein in the body, at least the 369 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 4: one that's available to the public. So what I've been 370 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:15,920 Speaker 4: looking at is spike protein and a body levels, and 371 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:19,359 Speaker 4: it's a little bit muddy, but what I'm seeing is 372 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 4: very concerning because the patients that have gotten the COVID shots, 373 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:25,879 Speaker 4: and this is just my patience. It's almost two hundred 374 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:30,159 Speaker 4: patients I've looked at the average level is ten times 375 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:33,920 Speaker 4: higher the antibody level than patients that did not get 376 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 4: never got the COVID shot, And this is four years 377 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:38,400 Speaker 4: after the fact, and most of these people got two, 378 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 4: maybe three shots, and many of these patients the level 379 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 4: is so high that it exceeds the upper limit of 380 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 4: a test, which is twenty five thousand. So this average 381 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:52,880 Speaker 4: that I'm seeing and what I'm seeing is about thirteen 382 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:55,840 Speaker 4: thousand in the patients have got the shot is actually 383 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:59,439 Speaker 4: an underestimation because we don't know how high some of 384 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:01,879 Speaker 4: these patients are going. And then patients that did not 385 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:05,280 Speaker 4: get the shots, the average that I'm seeing is thirteen hundred. 386 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 4: It's just not normal, and we definitely need more research, 387 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:12,480 Speaker 4: and we need the NIH to help us with that 388 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:16,120 Speaker 4: research because there's just not enough people willing to even 389 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:16,920 Speaker 4: acknowledge that. 390 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 3: There might be a problem. 391 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:22,200 Speaker 1: Did how many times you think you used the term 392 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:23,879 Speaker 1: spike protein before COVID? 393 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 3: Never? Absolutely not? 394 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, never, It's crazy. It's a concept I didn't even understand. 395 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,480 Speaker 2: My brother had to take the shot to continue being 396 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:37,879 Speaker 2: a police officer. He did not want to take the shot, 397 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:42,879 Speaker 2: and he dies shortly thereafter. And obviously I'm very bitter 398 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:46,920 Speaker 2: about that. Reading about Jason Jones. I saw a post 399 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:51,720 Speaker 2: you put up with his widow and his children. Obviously, 400 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:55,680 Speaker 2: as you said, they wouldn't give a Deputy Jones ivermectin, 401 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 2: and he died, And now ivermectin's going to be over 402 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 2: the counter in the state of Texas. It's just it's very, 403 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:09,920 Speaker 2: very frustrating watching our people die seemingly willfully, not not 404 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:14,479 Speaker 2: by neglect, but by will because people refused to allow 405 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:17,920 Speaker 2: the treatments that were being proven to work. And that 406 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:22,639 Speaker 2: makes me anger, angry, and bitter on a level that 407 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:27,359 Speaker 2: is not healthy I can relate. 408 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 3: It's basically politics over. 409 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:33,480 Speaker 4: Science, and it's it's bizarre to me that. I mean, 410 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:36,680 Speaker 4: it's great to see that more and more states are 411 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 4: making iromectin over the counter, but they're treating it like 412 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 4: the abortion till there's nothing ethically controversial about ibmectin. If 413 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:48,840 Speaker 4: it's safe in Texas, it's safe throughout the country. And honestly, 414 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:51,480 Speaker 4: we need the FDA just to make make the drug 415 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:54,679 Speaker 4: over the counter because it is. It is incredibly safe. 416 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:58,639 Speaker 4: It's safer than than antibiotics, it's safer than tailanlu and 417 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:01,920 Speaker 4: patients are going to the feed store to get their medication, 418 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:04,720 Speaker 4: which at this point I think it must be safe 419 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:07,920 Speaker 4: because you would be hearing otherwise. But this is America. 420 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:09,800 Speaker 4: We should not be going We should not have to 421 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:13,239 Speaker 4: go to the feed store to get our medications. So 422 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:16,960 Speaker 4: I really hope that the FDA will put science over 423 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:19,119 Speaker 4: politics and just make it over the counter. 424 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 2: The fact that they don't is a wake up call 425 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:27,640 Speaker 2: to every American. I mean a lot of dirty things 426 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 2: were revealed out of all of this dangerous misinformation, the virus, 427 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 2: of treatment and the lies. 428 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 1: Mary Taly Boden is our guess. Damn it all right? 429 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:41,920 Speaker 2: This is Mark Chestnut and jar Bizar of talk radio. 430 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:46,720 Speaker 1: Oh it's very in Spanish. No, I had no idea. 431 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 1: That's just weird. That's just weird. 432 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:51,880 Speaker 2: You could have done doctor, doctor, You could have done 433 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 2: all the doctor stuff. You could have done all sorts 434 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:57,960 Speaker 2: of other stuff, and you choose to focus on the 435 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:01,639 Speaker 2: first name and derivations of the first thing. That's weird, 436 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:08,439 Speaker 2: very weird, Ramona, not normal behavior. Who Rogan wouldn't have 437 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:16,800 Speaker 2: done this? You're feeling jealous, dangerous misinformation, the virus, the treatment, 438 00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 2: and the lies. Mary Tally Boden, the doctor, author, a 439 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:30,199 Speaker 2: celebrity guest of huge programs, Tucker Carlson, Joe Rogan, you know, 440 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 2: tell us something about those appearances, because I can't tell 441 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 2: you how many people they think we're like big buddies. 442 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 1: They send messages, Oh. 443 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,639 Speaker 2: My god, your girl Mary Tally Boden is on Tucker 444 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:45,439 Speaker 2: Carlson and she's doing great. I don't know if they 445 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 2: thought you were gonna flop or what. Talk about that. 446 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:50,840 Speaker 2: How was that experience? 447 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 4: Well, the best part of that experience is the vindication 448 00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 4: is given to my kids because people are now saying, oh, 449 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:04,720 Speaker 4: your mom was on Joe Rogan. So that that has 450 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:08,159 Speaker 4: been nice for the kids because they they had to 451 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 4: sort of hide who their mother was for a few years. 452 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:15,880 Speaker 4: And I will say, like Tucker Carlson is is very 453 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:19,480 Speaker 4: authentic and very candid. He told me things I couldn't 454 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:21,160 Speaker 4: believe he was telling me off air. 455 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:25,280 Speaker 3: And Joe Rogan was also great. It's interesting, Joe Rogan, 456 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:27,439 Speaker 3: you would have no idea where a studio is. 457 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:32,040 Speaker 4: It's in this like non descript sort of warehouse looking. 458 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:32,640 Speaker 3: Thing in Austin. 459 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 4: And yeah, I brought I brought one kid to uh, 460 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:41,199 Speaker 4: Tucker and I brought another kid to Rogan, and now 461 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:43,480 Speaker 4: I got to get two more kids to two other shows. 462 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:46,919 Speaker 3: Uh. But you know the best part of it was 463 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:47,440 Speaker 3: was the. 464 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 4: Kids and having having them have some pride in their 465 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,000 Speaker 4: mother because what they're hearing from other people. 466 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:57,920 Speaker 2: It also caused your social media presence where you talk 467 00:26:57,960 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 2: a lot about what you're going through, and you talk 468 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:04,800 Speaker 2: a lot about COVID and the COVID overreaction and the 469 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,960 Speaker 2: regulation and all of those sorts. I mean, it really 470 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:11,480 Speaker 2: amplified your message dramatically. 471 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:11,240 Speaker 3: I guess. 472 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:14,240 Speaker 4: I mean I didn't see my follower count explode or 473 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:16,880 Speaker 4: anything like that. I mean, it's just, you know, it's 474 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:19,200 Speaker 4: been going up very steadily. I didn't see some sort 475 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 4: of huge explosion. 476 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:25,480 Speaker 2: But yeah, I guess is there any regret you have 477 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:29,280 Speaker 2: through all of this, going back to the day before 478 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 2: you got involved. 479 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:35,440 Speaker 3: I mean, it has taken as tall. 480 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 4: I am exhausted, and if you know, i'd been giving. 481 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,639 Speaker 4: If I'd been given a choice, I don't know that 482 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:46,000 Speaker 4: I would have chosen this. But I mean I've learned 483 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,439 Speaker 4: a lot and I'm a lot stronger. I mean I 484 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 4: used to hate public speaking, and I was I'm pretty 485 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 4: introverted and so I've been forced to use my voice, 486 00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:03,000 Speaker 4: and yeah, I feel like I can help people by 487 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:08,159 Speaker 4: speaking out. And so, yeah, it hasn't been great, but 488 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,119 Speaker 4: I wouldn't I wouldn't change it at this point. 489 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:14,639 Speaker 2: I think we all have purpose in life, and some 490 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,600 Speaker 2: of us find it and some don't, and sometimes that 491 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:20,760 Speaker 2: purpose changes with each season in life. 492 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,679 Speaker 1: But I think you met your moment, and. 493 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:26,960 Speaker 2: I think maybe you never expected to be in the 494 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:31,879 Speaker 2: situations where you ended up, and yet you rose to 495 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,280 Speaker 2: the occasion in a way you probably never could. 496 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,879 Speaker 1: Have guessed you would summon that level. 497 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:40,000 Speaker 2: Of strength, and that has to be that has to 498 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,160 Speaker 2: be a pretty cool experience to look back on that. 499 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean things came together in a way that 500 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:54,960 Speaker 4: made it impossible not to fight back. So it seems 501 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:58,840 Speaker 4: sort of fortuitous more than me actually choosing a path. 502 00:28:58,880 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 4: It just kind of happened. 503 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,640 Speaker 3: Uh, And yeah, it's like I said, it's it's. 504 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:08,840 Speaker 4: Strengthened me in ways I never imagined. And yeah, I 505 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 4: would just encourage people. I mean, it's hard when you 506 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,600 Speaker 4: speak the truth and you're outspoken about what you're seeing, 507 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:20,960 Speaker 4: it's it's difficult. But after going through a very low point, 508 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,200 Speaker 4: I feel like I'm going you know, I'm rising now. 509 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:27,800 Speaker 4: I'm still in survival mode, but I do have I 510 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:29,440 Speaker 4: have one win I did. 511 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:30,960 Speaker 3: I sued the f. 512 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:34,400 Speaker 4: D A in one but we have we still have 513 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,760 Speaker 4: so much more fighting to do. So yeah, I want 514 00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,680 Speaker 4: I want my story to be a triumph, not just survival. 515 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:44,440 Speaker 2: Well, and and that brings us to the next thing 516 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,000 Speaker 2: in what your life looks like and where you see 517 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 2: that going forward in the near and long term. Obviously 518 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:56,720 Speaker 2: you've moved your your clinic, you have they change. I 519 00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:58,760 Speaker 2: get emails from folks who say they can't get an 520 00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:02,440 Speaker 2: appointment with you, and I say, she's not taking new patients. 521 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:05,000 Speaker 2: She has her political side and she has her medical side. 522 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:06,840 Speaker 2: What does that look like for you in the near 523 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:07,640 Speaker 2: and long term? 524 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I'm taking new patients now. Just I 525 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,160 Speaker 4: was moving and it was just too chaotic to try. 526 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,479 Speaker 4: I didn't want to, you know, take on more than 527 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:23,200 Speaker 4: I could bite shoe off. And I'm going to, you know, 528 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:26,080 Speaker 4: I mean, continue to practice. I think that's key because 529 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:28,520 Speaker 4: it keeps your finger on the pulse of what's going on. 530 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:30,600 Speaker 4: I am going to. 531 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:32,920 Speaker 3: Do a weekly podcast. 532 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:38,720 Speaker 4: I'm collaborating with an independent journalist, Shannon Joy and coming 533 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:40,800 Speaker 4: on after her show, it's going to be called on 534 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:44,000 Speaker 4: Call with Doctor Mary Tally Boden. I'm going to focus 535 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:46,000 Speaker 4: on answering questions because. 536 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:46,760 Speaker 3: I'm sure you can relate. 537 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 4: My dms on social media are just flooded with people 538 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:54,600 Speaker 4: with questions and requests, and I just can't keep. 539 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,040 Speaker 3: Up with it. So I see this as a way, okay, 540 00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:57,360 Speaker 3: I can. 541 00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:01,040 Speaker 4: I can answer the questions that that the most people 542 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:04,320 Speaker 4: have and get get it all done once a week 543 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,440 Speaker 4: and give people a voice. I mean, I've been interviewing 544 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:12,240 Speaker 4: people on this other podcast platform called America out Loud News, 545 00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:14,760 Speaker 4: and I find it very gratifying because, like you, you 546 00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:18,280 Speaker 4: gave me a voice and it really was helpful. And 547 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:21,280 Speaker 4: so I like giving other people a voice when they've 548 00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:25,600 Speaker 4: been you know, persecuted or beaten down and giving them 549 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 4: a chance to share their story. 550 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:28,160 Speaker 3: I find that very gratifying. 551 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:29,960 Speaker 1: And when will that begin? 552 00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:32,320 Speaker 3: It'll be on Wednesdays. 553 00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,080 Speaker 2: Is it on call c a l L or c 554 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:39,080 Speaker 2: a w L because that's the national dish of Wales. 555 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,120 Speaker 2: It's a it's a thick, it's like a stew. I 556 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,280 Speaker 2: think it would be awesome if you did it as 557 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,480 Speaker 2: on call and people tune in and they think they're 558 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:49,120 Speaker 2: going to get COVID talk and instead you talked about 559 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:52,360 Speaker 2: how to make the best Welsh stew. Now that would 560 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:53,440 Speaker 2: be very normal Donald. 561 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,720 Speaker 3: I had that. That is the first I've heard. 562 00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:58,920 Speaker 1: Of that, so give it some thought, give it some thought. 563 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,960 Speaker 2: I could see you being big and Cardiff and it's 564 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:05,920 Speaker 2: a whole new audience for you. You know, there's if 565 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,240 Speaker 2: you've been to Wales, it's really beautiful. 566 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:12,160 Speaker 1: No I haven't wells. 567 00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:16,000 Speaker 2: It is like parts of Colorado that have no industry, 568 00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:19,680 Speaker 2: no business, no hardly anything, just a little resort shop 569 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:22,600 Speaker 2: there where you hire some guide to go for a hike. 570 00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 2: And I could see that being I could see that 571 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:27,920 Speaker 2: being really your moment. You know, there's Peter mccallaugh others. 572 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,480 Speaker 2: There's all these different guys out there doing the medical thing. 573 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:34,920 Speaker 2: You could do the Welsh stew thing ironically, but never 574 00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:36,560 Speaker 2: never acknowledge it. 575 00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:38,160 Speaker 1: That's that That would be. 576 00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:41,160 Speaker 2: The memory of Norm MacDonald living on Mary Tylly Bow 577 00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:43,920 Speaker 2: and I am so proud to call you my friend. 578 00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:47,360 Speaker 2: You are really and I know you don't take well 579 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,520 Speaker 2: to compliments. You're like Chad Knakanishi, but you really are 580 00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:53,560 Speaker 2: a hero. What you have done the people you have saved, 581 00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,680 Speaker 2: and the voice you have found, and your willingness to 582 00:32:56,720 --> 00:33:00,360 Speaker 2: continue to fight and show people to fight the way 583 00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:03,560 Speaker 2: Trump did after he got shot in the head. It's 584 00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:08,040 Speaker 2: incredibly inspiring. The book is dangerous misinformation by it today, 585 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,920 Speaker 2: the virus, the treatment, and the lies. Thank you, my dear, 586 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:13,280 Speaker 2: Thank you for spending an hour with us. 587 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,520 Speaker 3: Thank you, Michael Ramon. 588 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:19,400 Speaker 2: Do you know what that would cost if we'd gone 589 00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:21,480 Speaker 2: into her clinic? It did have been on our show 590 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,000 Speaker 2: and there would have been needles involved.