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Speaker 1: Welcome to Inside the Draft, a weekly preview of the

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Speaker 1: upcoming NFL Draft with insiders from around the country. It's

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Speaker 1: time again for our next installment of Inside the Draft

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Speaker 1: inside the Indiana Union Construction Industry Radio studios right here

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Speaker 1: on the Colts Audio Network. The calendar, it finally says April,

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Speaker 1: just a couple of weeks away from the twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: five NFL Draft. This year is going to be held

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Speaker 1: in Green Bay, the first time they're going to host

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Speaker 1: the NFL Draft, and they're the ninth NFL city to

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Speaker 1: host the draft since it turned into a road show

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Speaker 1: if you will, back in twenty fifteen. Other cities who

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Speaker 1: have hosted Chicago, Philadelphia, Arlington, Nashville, Cleveland, Las Vegas, Kansas City,

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Speaker 1: and Detroit. And last May was announced that next year's

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Speaker 1: NFL Draft twenty twenty six will be held in Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 1: As it sits now, the Colts will select fourteenth in

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Speaker 1: the upcoming NFL Draft. Another fun nugget about this draft,

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Speaker 1: every team currently has their first round picks, but per usual,

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Speaker 1: trades on Draft night are expected and more than likely

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Speaker 1: will happen. But right now every team has their first

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Speaker 1: round selection. Today's guest on Inside the Draft to help

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Speaker 1: get us caught up on everything as we look forward.

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Speaker 1: Here in a couple of weeks is Garrett Podell of

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Speaker 1: CBS Sports and he joined myself, Casey Valier, and Jeffrey Gorman.

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Speaker 1: You can check out Garrett's work at cbssports dot com

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Speaker 1: and on Twitter x at Garrett Podell. So here we go.

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Speaker 1: Here's our conversation with Garrett Podell, part of Inside the Draft.

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Speaker 2: Okay, fans, time to get smarter, and we're gonna do

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Speaker 2: that with Garrett Podell from CBS Sports and NFL staff

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Speaker 2: writer has a recent new mock draft you have up.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna get into the draft that you have, but

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Speaker 2: I've got to talk about some current questions regarding the

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Speaker 2: Colts quarterback position.

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Speaker 3: Garrett, let's do it. Thank you so much for having

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Speaker 3: me on.

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Speaker 4: Always excited to talk ball, especially with you guys here

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Speaker 4: with an illustrious NFL team like the in Indianapolis Colts.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, here we go, man, it's all about the quarterback position.

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Speaker 2: You know this league better than most. Like I said,

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Speaker 2: we're gonna get into the draft questions. But when we

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Speaker 2: talk about the Colts offense in particular, the quarterback position.

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Speaker 2: Everybody knows this. There is a quarterback competition now in Indianapolis,

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Speaker 2: and it is between Anthony Richardson, the fourth overall pick

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Speaker 2: pick a few years back. If you could just give

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Speaker 2: us your once over on this competition, what you like

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Speaker 3: That's a great question.

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Speaker 4: So first I'll kind of lay out sort of the

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Speaker 4: overall picture of these two guys individually, and then sort

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Speaker 4: of my take on the competition in and of itself.

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Speaker 4: So let's look at Anthony Richardson right oozing with potential physically,

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Speaker 4: So he was last in the NFL and completion percentage

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Speaker 4: He was the first player to rank last and completion

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Speaker 3: So it's been a while since there's.

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Speaker 4: Been this big of a boom or bust kind of

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Speaker 3: Don't like that.

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Speaker 4: He's somebody who you would think the Colts will do

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Speaker 4: We said, it's a competition, right, Daniel Jones is his competition,

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Speaker 4: and you know, the Colts gave him a one year,

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Speaker 4: So I kind of feel like Richardson their content competition

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Speaker 1: We're talking with Garrett Padell, who covers all things NFL,

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Speaker 1: but we're diving here into the draft now. In the

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Speaker 1: second part of this conversation with you from CBS Sports,

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Speaker 1: We're sticking with the same conversation though we talk quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: and the Chador Sanders, whether he's going to fall all

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Speaker 1: of that. Your latest mock draft sees him going number two,

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Speaker 1: So you've got quarterbacks going one to two in this draft.

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Speaker 1: I know it is a down quarterback year. But what

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Speaker 1: Is he just miles ahead as far as that first

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Speaker 4: I do view cam Ward in a different tier than

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Speaker 4: And I think when you look at cam Ward's career,

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Speaker 4: I think there's a lot to like with cam Ward,

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Speaker 4: The one issue kind of where the athleticism that you

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Speaker 4: So I think at this stage in the game, yeah,

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Speaker 4: I've got Ward, Sanders won two.

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Speaker 3: You know, there's still plenty of time in the draft process.

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Speaker 3: Maybe I don't see.

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Speaker 3: So either that was the greatest.

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Speaker 1: The Tennessee Titans hold that first overall pick there in

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Speaker 4: That is my interpretation of their offseason one hundred percent

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Speaker 2: From CBS Sports as Garrett Podell joining us today, follow

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Speaker 2: him on Twitter x at Garrett Podell and like I said,

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Speaker 2: at CBS Sports, all Things Football, let's get let's keep

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Speaker 2: with the Colts theme here. Boy, you made me your

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Speaker 2: three point zero mock draft just dropped, And I was

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Speaker 2: kind of upset with you before we got on the

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Speaker 2: horn with you because I see that Tyler Warren is

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Speaker 2: off the board at thirteen, followed by Colston Loveland. Tight

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Speaker 2: Colts fans are talking about with the Shane Stike in offense,

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Speaker 2: and obviously those two tight ends separating themselves in a

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Speaker 4: No, I would agree one thousand percent those are the

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Speaker 4: You mentioned the statistics. Obviously, Tyler Warrens stats pass catching

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Speaker 4: But I think Warren, just because of the versatility I mentioned,

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Speaker 3: But I don't think there's a ton that separates these guys.

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Speaker 3: Around the past. He's probably more of a Day three pick.

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Speaker 4: So that's who I'd probably say kind of those three

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Speaker 1: And then my final thing with you here on defense, EJ.

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Speaker 1: Is there a guy there at fourteen that if he

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Speaker 4: I mean to me, there's one linebacker and if we're

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Speaker 3: He is awesome.

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Speaker 4: Twenty twenty four First team All A CC one hundred

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Speaker 3: This draft at fourteen, it'd be Campbell.

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Speaker 3: Sooner than that. Well, I don't know exactly when his

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Speaker 2: Garrett Podell find him on Twitter x at Garrett Podell,

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Speaker 2: and of course cbssports dot com has all the latest

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Speaker 2: he covers. The NFL has got his mock draft that

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Speaker 2: just dropped earlier. That is three point zero day three.

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Speaker 2: Guys that that you are definitely looking at that you

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Speaker 4: There's an offensive lineman I saw at the Shrine Bowl

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Speaker 4: So listen to these combine measurements. Six foot eight, three

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Speaker 4: so he's somebody who is just a, tank you. Know

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Speaker 3: Guy BUT i love. HIM i love.

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Speaker 4: Him he's kind of like a late round draft crush

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Speaker 3: TRAITS i, mean, right are those.

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Speaker 2: Earth that's, right, man well. Said we're gonna keep our

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Speaker 2: eye on. That great stuff as. Usual once. Again follow

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Speaker 2: him On twitter x At Garrett podell and of course

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Speaker 2: AT cbs Sports. Man appreciate the. TIME i know this

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Speaker 2: draft is coming up right around the Corner april twenty,

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Speaker 2: fourth And i'd love to catch up with you after

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Speaker 3: Eyes let's do.

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Speaker 4: IT i enjoyed talking to you guys a. Lot let's

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Speaker 4: definitely do a draft recap and best of luck to

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