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Speaker 1: and a bottle of wine to kill. It's Hollywood, it's books,

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Speaker 1: it's gossip. I'm sure it's memoir, it's Martini. It's already.

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Speaker 2: Celebrity poof club.

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Speaker 1: Come read it while it's hot.

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Speaker 2: Celebrity poop Club. I'll tell your secrets.

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Speaker 3: We won't talk celebrity books.

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Speaker 1: No, boys are a loud celet book club. Say it

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Speaker 1: loud and poud, Celebrity pook club.

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Speaker 2: Buzz me in. I brought the queer voe.

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Speaker 1: Hey, best friend. So fucking good to see.

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Speaker 2: You, and literally so good to see you.

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Speaker 1: Happy July. How was your fourth?

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, fuck the fourth? Can I just say that, Yeah?

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Speaker 1: No, it fucking sucks to be on the fourth and

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Speaker 1: be like, think of all the lamb we could have

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Speaker 1: given back, and here we are celebary. We are burgers,

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Speaker 1: raping cows.

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Speaker 2: Oh, cows, more cows, more beef, more shopping, Go to Target,

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Speaker 2: buy a flag, throw out the flag throughout the burger.

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Speaker 1: Right. No, yeah, I celebrated the first just by lying

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Speaker 1: down and creating zero waste.

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Speaker 2: I celebrate the fourth on a plane with a certain someone.

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Speaker 1: So you were expending a lot of carbon on the phone.

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Speaker 2: I was literally like extra waste, so much plastic water bottles,

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Speaker 1: Must be crazy, But that's kind of beautiful because you

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Speaker 2: I literally celebrated every single state and then I saw

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Speaker 1: I love seeing me ASPI organizations celebrating.

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Speaker 2: So I guess we should tell our listeners what's kind

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so today is a day unlike any other because

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Speaker 2: Yes, she's so she It's also weird because she's been

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Speaker 1: I mean thick and thin, okay, And she's never judged.

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Speaker 2: I met her literally at a Trader Joe's rom com style.

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Speaker 3: Well, we followed each other on Facebook, Facebook friends before.

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Speaker 1: We'll get into stories later, but we brought her on

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Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen all the way from Los Angeles, California influencers,

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Speaker 1: Can Candy.

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Speaker 2: Welcome Matt Finny, friend Hie, best.

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Speaker 1: Friend, Maddie. Thank you so much for being here. I

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Speaker 1: Thank you. Well. I care about local economies and I

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Speaker 3: I mean, Stephen, what are the notes in the wine?

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Speaker 1: So it's super minerally. My friend Dan was just saying

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Speaker 1: I always salinity, Salinity, salinity Gomez, all right, she is

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Speaker 2: Now, please, where's that drawing we should sell for millions.

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Speaker 2: Can you just give us a little bit like this,

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Speaker 2: like where it started? What sent kicked you off?

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Speaker 1: How did you follow your nose to the world of noses?

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Speaker 1: Who works with many famous celebrities, including Reese.

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Speaker 3: Very well known floral designer. Yes, okay, very well known

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Speaker 3: It was the fakest job that you have. It was

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Speaker 2: Where people are buying dot dot dot.

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Speaker 4: People are buying dot dot So it was like people

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Speaker 4: like eighty on a cologne, and then they don't do.

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Speaker 3: Either, like six hundred on a cologne. And then they

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Speaker 3: like wanted to pop in. Are we bothering you? It's like, yes,

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Speaker 1: What wow, la stuff No.

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Speaker 2: Idea okay, no idea faces.

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Speaker 3: So it's like astrology, but like even more for.

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Speaker 3: And you have a sense like of the five senses,

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Speaker 3: that's your dominant sense.

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Speaker 1: Okay. So this is kind of like going to Bloomy's

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Speaker 3: And they're just like, you're ruddy undertone.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, here's a huge burgundy blazer for you to put on. Thanks,

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Speaker 3: So my human design said that scent was my dominant sense,

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Speaker 2: So it's fate. God intervened.

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Speaker 1: Can I ask what your number two cents.

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Speaker 1: Do you a list? Okay? Sorry? Do you pay?

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Speaker 3: And then they're like no, they say a lot of things.

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Speaker 3: That's the only thing I really retained. The rest is history.

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Speaker 2: Okay, let's announce the book we did with you.

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Speaker 1: So, Mattie, this was your suggestion, you haddsolutely was because

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Speaker 1: Maddy continues me, my muse, this was my suggestion. Okay.

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Speaker 1: So you were looked up like memoirs of perfumers and

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Speaker 2: That's how it happened. I lodged into Amazon dot Com.

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Speaker 1: Ibsas use code CBC at checkout to actually pay ten

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Speaker 2: Not prime, because again I wouldn't support prime. Anyway. I

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Speaker 3: I think it was a cool crossover.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, this book is called In Search of Perfumes.

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Speaker 1: A Lifetime Journey to the Source of Nature sense by

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Speaker 1: Dominique Looks. Is it aok?

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Speaker 3: I would give him a hook.

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Speaker 1: Obviously a Frenchman at the tender age of seventy five.

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Speaker 1: He's still with us to this day. And he's really

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Speaker 1: like this, you know, this beautiful old warhorse of the

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Speaker 1: scent industry. And it's basically him going to different developing

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Speaker 1: countries and like meeting the local makers and it's very romantic,

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Speaker 1: and it's about the history of scent and how little

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Speaker 3: I mean, did you know this was a job.

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Speaker 1: No about like procuring the natural ingredients.

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Speaker 2: It's also made me a scent activist.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know what's interesting. Have you seen the German

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Speaker 1: is that it's taboo, right.

442
00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:39,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, what's the naughtiest thing you can smell?

443
00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:40,119
Speaker 3: Like?

444
00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:41,919
Speaker 1: So we're not supposed to like it, but then we do.

445
00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:44,360
Speaker 1: But then part of it is that it actually comes

446
00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:49,479
Speaker 1: from us. It is the body itself, and to some extent,

447
00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:52,880
Speaker 1: you know, scent is always trying to like get us

448
00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:56,760
Speaker 1: away from our heads, right from our self awareness, from

449
00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:59,879
Speaker 1: our self consciousness, from you know, go, go go, then

450
00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:03,320
Speaker 1: nine to five, like how do we release from that

451
00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:06,200
Speaker 1: and get into a pre verbal space and that scent

452
00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:10,440
Speaker 1: And so there is something to be said for the

453
00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:15,520
Speaker 1: primalness of shit, of human excrement, of bo for example, completely,

454
00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:18,320
Speaker 1: But that comes to your thing about Patuli, where it's like, yes,

455
00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:22,240
Speaker 1: why not smell like the big, fat, nasty, sleazy club

456
00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:26,000
Speaker 1: owner who's fingering the bartender in the dumpster. You know

457
00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:26,439
Speaker 1: what I mean?

458
00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:30,479
Speaker 2: Petuli to me is so not club owner, by the way.

459
00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:35,520
Speaker 2: It's head chop, it's hippie girl, huge super skirt, tiared

460
00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:41,320
Speaker 2: tank top that's like auburn. It's grateful, dead patches. And

461
00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:44,399
Speaker 2: here he says, he goes, why is because it masks

462
00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:46,919
Speaker 2: the scent marijuana. Steven.

463
00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:48,600
Speaker 3: I hate to do this because you're not here, but

464
00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:50,920
Speaker 3: I brought a Petrulli sample to smell.

465
00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:53,240
Speaker 1: You guys, smell and I'll watch the smell because scent

466
00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:54,080
Speaker 1: is visual as well.

467
00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:54,879
Speaker 2: That's erotic.

468
00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:58,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is erotic. A little peeping tom.

469
00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:00,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, So what you have there is a tiny vial.

470
00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:04,760
Speaker 3: It's a tiny littleca scent bar. Yeah. I just picked

471
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:05,840
Speaker 3: up a few things.

472
00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:08,040
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna sniff this like poppers.

473
00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:09,240
Speaker 3: I wouldn't would.

474
00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:18,960
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, like rail it And I'm new to this. Yeah,

475
00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:21,119
Speaker 2: so how can you apply actually on me?

476
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:21,720
Speaker 3: Of course?

477
00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:27,639
Speaker 2: So what I'm doing right now a DA for our listeners. Yeah,

478
00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:29,400
Speaker 2: hang out my left hand.

479
00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:36,440
Speaker 3: I'm erotically putting my little finger on Lily's smell, delicate wrists, orange.

480
00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:39,080
Speaker 2: Peel, lemon blossom, key lime pie.

481
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:41,360
Speaker 3: I don't say words, you don't even know what they mean.

482
00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:47,359
Speaker 3: Lemon headshop.

483
00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:51,600
Speaker 2: No, okay, it's lemon blossom headshop. It's a pie shop

484
00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:55,520
Speaker 2: that also sells weed and skirts and pieces.

485
00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:57,919
Speaker 1: When you say pie, Lily, are you getting like a

486
00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:00,520
Speaker 1: dairy of cream sense? Or is it more than paste? Like?

487
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:01,760
Speaker 1: Is it it's the bread?

488
00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:04,520
Speaker 2: No, it's the floral cream. It's it's whipped.

489
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 3: Wait, why do you think of bread? Bread wasn't bad?

490
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:07,920
Speaker 3: There's something yeasty?

491
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, it could be that. Maybe it's the light crust.

492
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:12,320
Speaker 3: She's a yeasty boy.

493
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:15,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I see you guys evoking yeast. You're rising.

494
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:20,639
Speaker 2: There's a lot of yeast camera stat I see the

495
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,480
Speaker 2: east lowering and rising.

496
00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:25,800
Speaker 3: So this is like a little bit of a soapy

497
00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:27,960
Speaker 3: PETULLI like to me, it smells like a bar of soap.

498
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:30,399
Speaker 2: This is cool. I don't know if I presume wear this,

499
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 2: but I think like Chick was wearing this, or I

500
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:34,560
Speaker 2: think Stephen could rock this and it.

501
00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:37,440
Speaker 1: I've been off the cent train for a long time.

502
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:40,639
Speaker 1: I used to wear Imporio Armani. Louis.

503
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,200
Speaker 2: Well, in a way, you're not off the Sentraine because

504
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:46,760
Speaker 2: you actually usually have quite the strong scent. You're all

505
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:50,440
Speaker 2: on the sent train where you're like, oh my god.

506
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:51,240
Speaker 1: You're talking about my bo.

507
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,600
Speaker 3: Well, you very famously do not wear deodorant, and it's

508
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:55,320
Speaker 3: kind of your thing.

509
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 2: I don't usually wear deodorant, And the deodorant I do

510
00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:03,840
Speaker 2: wear is Gillette. I go Gillette so hard spring rain.

511
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 1: And is that a Boston thing, Lily, because Jillette is

512
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:07,680
Speaker 1: a bub Jellette stadium.

513
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:10,760
Speaker 2: Honestly, yes, I feel like I was just like at

514
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 2: the drug store, I wanted something clear and kind of

515
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:17,920
Speaker 2: to smell like a spring Man's shower. Yeah, Gillette stadium.

516
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,720
Speaker 3: No, I think that's like perfect. I love the smell

517
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 3: of like rainy what man.

518
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 1: So you're saying you're kind of probio, because for me,

519
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:28,920
Speaker 1: I've always felt that the bio smell is like a

520
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 1: it's natural man. So my whole philosophy is that like

521
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,119
Speaker 1: pheromones and biology, like if you're.

522
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 3: A pheromones, yeahermones.

523
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:41,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, pheromones are pheromones ponis.

524
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:45,119
Speaker 1: From my own experience, I'm pretty sure it is activating

525
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:49,760
Speaker 1: some biological response and other men and they're going, oh hello.

526
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:52,119
Speaker 2: To a point, I think yeah, to a point, I

527
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 2: think so yeah, it's like okay, let's do fifty percent,

528
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:56,119
Speaker 2: and then the other fifty is kind.

529
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:59,199
Speaker 3: Of like, well, okay, I feel like pheromones actually are alive.

530
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:06,320
Speaker 2: Oh oh my god. The craziest thing I ever said podcast.

531
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:06,960
Speaker 1: Is true.

532
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 3: Because everyone's obsessed with the idea that like, perfume smells

533
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,159
Speaker 3: different on different people, and in like the summer, you

534
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 3: can only wear certain things and in the winter. Have

535
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:18,880
Speaker 3: you ever found that to be true? Have you ever

536
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 3: put on a perfume and said this smells vastly different.

537
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:24,640
Speaker 1: No, of course me no, you smell an old lady

538
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 1: perfume when you're like, that's an old lady wherever I'm

539
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 1: smelling it, You know what I mean?

540
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 3: The idea that a man can bring out like a

541
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:35,240
Speaker 3: peppery musk, like maybe a smidge.

542
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 2: Perfume makes the man that the man does not make

543
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:44,119
Speaker 2: the man perfume. Last night, Maddie put a scent that

544
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 2: actually kind of like changed my life on me.

545
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:48,640
Speaker 3: It was an artificial ooje.

546
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:50,639
Speaker 2: Okay, so explain what ood.

547
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:52,639
Speaker 1: Is an ood?

548
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 3: Oh e A U D No, it's o U D

549
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:57,720
Speaker 3: you guys, there was a whole chapter on it.

550
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:00,359
Speaker 1: Let me look at the glossary quickly.

551
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 3: So ood. Sometimes people call it agar wood. It's like

552
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:10,680
Speaker 3: a very traditional Middle Eastern old wood resin, right.

553
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 1: I mean I was so blown away by some of

554
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:17,360
Speaker 1: these processes of just like these old women about scraping

555
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 1: resin off of bars.

556
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:22,199
Speaker 2: Wait ooh you imagine scraping resin when like you have

557
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 2: no okay, and this like drags Americans to filth and

558
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 2: literally me thinking that scent was cool. It's striking smell,

559
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 2: quite unique at once woody and milky, is instantly recognizable

560
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:43,359
Speaker 2: to western is. It is bewitching evoking a form of

561
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 2: the sacred of the unadulted, exoticism and mysticism and irresistible

562
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:51,719
Speaker 2: vision of India. We spontaneously associate the smell of sandalwood

563
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 2: with the smoke of the incenstick, and it's you know,

564
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:58,160
Speaker 2: us Americans being like, ooh, that's cool, that's travel.

565
00:27:58,560 --> 00:27:59,440
Speaker 3: I love that part too.

566
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:01,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I do think that so much of

567
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,920
Speaker 1: the evocation of all these different places is supposed to

568
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 1: be exotic. I mean, I think that's always what it's been.

569
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like how the Arabs originally found jasmine

570
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:14,439
Speaker 1: in India, then they brought it to Spain, and like

571
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 1: the rose that was like called the Damask rose, but

572
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 1: it was actually Persian, and then it was that was

573
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,160
Speaker 1: like brought to Italy like by the Moors, and it's

574
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 1: just like everyone was bringing everything everywhere and then like

575
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:27,639
Speaker 1: being like, oh, this is so exciting because it reminds

576
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 1: me of like a different land. It's like part of

577
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,359
Speaker 1: perfuma is just gay panic, is just us wanting to

578
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 1: be somewhere else.

579
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 3: I literally couldn't agree more. I think people when people say.

580
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 2: Like perfume of the future, so it actually isn't always

581
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 2: the past.

582
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 3: That's the Judsons ragrance. Yeah, what does the future smell like? Yeah,

583
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 3: but I do think when people say perfume is tied

584
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 3: to memory, I would argue, in fact, it's tied to fantasy.

585
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, yeah, and the fantasy of what even was, Yeah,

586
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 2: fantasy of the past, the fantasy of the future.

587
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 3: The idea of something smelling like mysticism. That's not an objective.

588
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 1: No scent, but I think, you know, to Western's mysticism

589
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 1: is always going to have a sort of an Eastern

590
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 1: thing because of like what we think of as mystical

591
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 1: and stories and the media that we're exposed to.

592
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 3: So I know that we're talking about sandalwood, but you

593
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 3: want to smell.

594
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 2: Uj Yeah, that's smell it through the screen sun. So

595
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 2: this scent that she put on me last night, instantly

596
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 2: I was brought back to the wreck room by the

597
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 2: lake house that I went to a Maine as a child.

598
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 2: Oh that had a card table and an old bowling alley.

599
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 2: You set up the pins yourself.

600
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 1: Really, that's so cool.

601
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 2: It's like old fashioned nineteen twenties bowling. You roll the thing, yeah,

602
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 2: hit the pins, and then you have to walk set

603
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 2: them back up. Yourself.

604
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 1: Wow, sounds exhausting.

605
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 2: That is the past.

606
00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 3: Maybe I put it right there. So this is a floor.

607
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 1: What flowers are you getting in there? Low daisy hydrangea maybe.

608
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 2: Which I smell my Starbucks to clear my head.

609
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 3: You don't know, just airwork.

610
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 2: Okay, this is stunning, I guess, and I'm gonna be

611
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 2: totally honest. I could improv here and make a little joke.

612
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 1: We don't make jokes on this podcast.

613
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 2: Name some flowers. Absolutely no idea what flowers are coming

614
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:28,160
Speaker 2: to mind? But what is coming to mind is just

615
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 2: it's subtle. I'm already in a perfume mad it's feet

616
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 2: in big tall grass. It's a vintage slip.

617
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 3: Oh my god, it's porn.

618
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 1: I love that. Okay, big tall grass feet. I'm wondering

619
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 1: what the feet are are there? Cankles? Are these tans?

620
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 2: Honestly, it's it's like a little tan, but not that tann.

621
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 2: A little mm hmm.

622
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 1: Okay. This isn't a girl who's been laying out on

623
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 1: the vineyard all summer. This is like mid June.

624
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 2: Or July or September. It's actually September.

625
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 1: It's shoulder season.

626
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 3: For shoulder season, the crackles are out.

627
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 1: Okay, I brought here. So this I brought from my

628
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 1: mom's bathroom. This is an Oscar de la renta o

629
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 1: to toilette.

630
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 3: That bottle stunning.

631
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 1: The bottle has like a very kind of feminine quality

632
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 1: to it, almost is like a body.

633
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 2: But it's also kind of like an Art Deco building.

634
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 1: Yes, it is very Art Deco. It has this kind

635
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 1: of long cylinder with these two smallest soldiers on the side.

636
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 1: It's very like curvy and yet phallic at the same time.

637
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 1: Quite absolutely, quite strong. It is amber in color, quite liquid.

638
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 2: Beautiful, task aged.

639
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 1: Yes, rum not whiskey. Wow, Okay, I just smelled it.

640
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 1: It evokes my mom.

641
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 2: And is that a memory or a fantasy your mother?

642
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 1: But it's both. It's my fantasy of her buying me drinks,

643
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Yeah, it smells like money,

644
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 1: mommy money. It smells like mommy money. It smells like

645
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 1: leaving the house. I can hear the jangle of the wreath,

646
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 1: the Christmas wreath against the door as the door closes

647
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 1: and we toddle off to a restaurant.

648
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 2: It's winter drinks.

649
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,479
Speaker 1: There's something white Christmas about it. Because again I do

650
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 1: get a little bit of alcohol, which I told you

651
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 1: I didn't love. But it's almost a stringent there.

652
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,479
Speaker 3: I'm going to fragrance. Looks like it's been macerating for

653
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 3: like fifteen years.

654
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 1: No, I mean this is whine.

655
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:39,479
Speaker 2: Now are you getting which we haven't talked about? And

656
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 2: why you said winter in the wreath? Are you getting

657
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 2: notes of cinnamon?

658
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 1: Oh my god, now that you said it, I am

659
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 1: and the Sri Lankan cinnamon farmers and despite all the

660
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 1: tragedy they went through civil war, the tsunami of Tutha.

661
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 1: Did you clock? We call this like a synchronicity between

662
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 1: different books. But we read Nate Burkis's Coffee table Book

663
00:32:58,200 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 1: and his.

664
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 2: Partner was breaking Coffee table Book.

665
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 1: Where his partner was called in the tsunami two thousand

666
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 1: and four, and then this book we get to the

667
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 1: tsunami again, which so adversity effected the island of Sri Lanka.

668
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 1: And yet the cinnamon farmers remain undaunted their bravery and

669
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 1: they continue to peel the bark and sell it to

670
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 1: Swiss multinational conglomerate.

671
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 2: They persevere and sell it and the Swiss make a

672
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 2: heavy profit.

673
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 1: All and then this Swiss will use those cinnamon molecules

674
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 1: and sell them to Nesli, another Swiss multinational conglomerate, who

675
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 1: will use it in their baby formula. And that's beautiful.

676
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 1: And that's the age old tale of the travel of sand.

677
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 1: Wait quickly before we go to segments, there's an amazing

678
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 1: description of vedaverir. So Vedevere, of course, is a root

679
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 1: to WHI I didn't realize. Often mined in Haiti, another

680
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 1: place that has just been ravaged by both politics and

681
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 1: nature with the earthquake, and then you know colonization, corruption,

682
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 1: lack of diversification of them. But there's a really interesting

683
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 1: description of the scent of vedevair. Am I pronouncing that right?

684
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 1: I say?

685
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:08,760
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I was saying at.

686
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 1: Every stage of our visit to the factory, the scent

687
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 1: of vedeverair is different, and he is able to find

688
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 1: the specific evocative words to describe it. It may swell warm, brown, woody,

689
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 1: like tobacco, powdery, earth were honey. It may have a

690
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 1: long finish that intensifies a sedery feel, dry but sweet,

691
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 1: with a touch of hummus.

692
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 3: Just a touch of ummus. I think that's humus. But

693
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 3: I was very good used Does that mean like humidity?

694
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 3: H u m us.

695
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:46,399
Speaker 1: I think it's just a different spelling of hummuss. No, oh,

696
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 1: you think it literally means like the concept of humidity.

697
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 3: I think it's something closer to that than like a

698
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 3: chick pea puree.

699
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 1: Wait, oh my god, you're right. I just looked it up.

700
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 1: It's a dark organic material that forms in soil when

701
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 1: plant and animal matter decays. Okay, I thought he was

702
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:02,360
Speaker 1: literally talking about hummus.

703
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 2: Checked period. Sit back in your sailboat, Okay.

704
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:09,799
Speaker 1: But I will say this. I think it would be

705
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 1: more into a perfume misubtle notes of hummus than vanilla.

706
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 2: I bet you. I don't think have had a pure

707
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 2: complex vanilla.

708
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 1: No, I'm sure I haven't. I've had vanilla, and I've

709
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 1: had vanilla.

710
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, alternative, we out here being vanillas. Okay, before we

711
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 2: got to segments, round table, make a perfume? What's in it?

712
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 2: What's it called? Maddie go first?

713
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 3: Okay, So mine is vanilla, cherry, butter, crusty.

714
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:52,839
Speaker 2: Sugar, yes, sour, yes, spicy roman.

715
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:55,759
Speaker 3: And that ever.

716
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 2: Okay, what is it called.

717
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 3: It's called La series.

718
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 1: Oh my god, the cherry of love.

719
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:10,800
Speaker 2: And that's in French and extra credit what's the bottle.

720
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 3: It's actually not in a bottle. It's not in a bottle,

721
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:20,720
Speaker 3: It's in a tiny You wish I were a pounch.

722
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:22,880
Speaker 3: It's actually a curry cup.

723
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:29,840
Speaker 2: It's made by dustry.

724
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:31,399
Speaker 3: And it has to be brewed to order.

725
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Wow, that's a huge turn on for me.

726
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 2: Chills absolutely selling. No one steal that. By the way,

727
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 2: all you all you French colonizer perfumus, Swiss genevan Yeah,

728
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,760
Speaker 2: you Genevan vanillas. Get us stop listening.

729
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 3: Keep your hands off my vanilla.

730
00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 1: Okay, Mine is, as you say, French butter, deep deep, dark,

731
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:09,840
Speaker 1: dark yellow French butter, almost an amber butter, dill fresh

732
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 1: bill real lavender.

733
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 2: Did you say amber butter?

734
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 1: No? I said. The butter is so dark, it's almost

735
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 1: the color of amber, you know when butter is like

736
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 1: so French, it's like almost from New Zealand.

737
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:23,360
Speaker 2: Yes, it's so yellow.

738
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 1: It's so fucking yellow, the yellowest fucking butter you've ever had. Butter. Yes, Yoki,

739
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 1: very farm fresh chicken butter. Oh, actually a little bit

740
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:41,279
Speaker 1: of better than buleon roast chicken flavor. I fucking died

741
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 1: for that flavor.

742
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 3: You're starving right now.

743
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're like, it's butter, it's chicken, it's more butter,

744
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 2: it's oysters.

745
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:55,320
Speaker 1: Hold on, it is oyster shell. So that's super super

746
00:37:55,719 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 1: rocky sylinic when it's super shelly, and then ball sweat,

747
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:07,919
Speaker 1: super super hairy hairy ball sweat. This is like from

748
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 1: a guy in I want to say Germany, from like Berlin,

749
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 1: like you know, not the Spanish guys who are putting

750
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 1: like cologne and shaving their whatever and then come which

751
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 1: I think is a little bit of that shit flavor.

752
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Well, that's the creamy, that's

753
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 2: the milky.

754
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 1: That's the creamy, that's the milky. Okay yeh. And it's

755
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 1: called husband.

756
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:27,720
Speaker 2: Of course bottle.

757
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:30,359
Speaker 1: It's actually it's a sphere that you just roll over

758
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:30,880
Speaker 1: your body.

759
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 2: Oh and you just kind of roll it all over yeah,

760
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 2: okay again best selling husband. I mean the way that

761
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 2: there must actually be so many colognes called husband perfus

762
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 2: patent pending. I feel like right now like people are shivering.

763
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 1: Although I have to see. I think the thing with

764
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 1: men is that they usually want to be desired by

765
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 1: a lot of women, but they don't want to be

766
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 1: tied down so it's actually probably not true. It's like

767
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 1: not a fantasy of men to be like a husband,

768
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 1: you know.

769
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:56,800
Speaker 3: But you can't tie it down because it's that bottle.

770
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:57,840
Speaker 3: I think.

771
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 1: It's rolling down the street women my neighbor. Wait, have

772
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:05,840
Speaker 1: you seen my husband? No, I'm talking about the colon.

773
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 1: All right, Lily, go Okay.

774
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 2: This is gonna be super quick. Is my favorite smells.

775
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 2: It's gonna be a trio of different types of Christmas trees. Frasier, balsam, Douglas.

776
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:21,360
Speaker 3: Fur sounds stunning already.

777
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 2: Burnt leaves on like an autumn day. Really, yeah, this

778
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 2: is so good, tiny bit of like actual heirloom cherries.

779
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 1: You can't copy my ingredient, not synthetic cherry.

780
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,840
Speaker 2: Okay, sorry, that's the cherries exit.

781
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 3: You should have plum hints up, plum plum leading the witness.

782
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 2: Is it so tacky if I say espresso?

783
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 3: Absolutely not. I love coffee and.

784
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 1: I love this holiday cent.

785
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 2: No, I mean this is like like I want to

786
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 2: be Yankee candle, but like actually good, We're like a

787
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 2: Christmas scent that isn't discuss I love that and the bottle,

788
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:07,320
Speaker 2: I mean it's super minimal Christmas tree.

789
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:10,840
Speaker 3: So it kind of pass those three tiers.

790
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 2: Three tears. The listener, I'm drawing at Christmas tree with

791
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 2: my head, and you don't want it to be Yankee candle.

792
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 3: Swear right, job, it's Christmas tree shaped and smells like

793
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 3: Christmas trees.

794
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 1: But it's the elevated Yankee cand And what's it called.

795
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:28,720
Speaker 1: Is it called bubble?

796
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 2: It's called.

797
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 3: We're workshopping that.

798
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 1: We're taking that Distanta's workshop.

799
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 2: In search of.

800
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 1: How does she live, what does she wear? What does

801
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 1: she eat? Okay, what does she eat? I mean, I

802
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 1: think he is being very bordane.

803
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 2: It's what did he described?

804
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 1: He described eating grubs in Laos. He eats scrubs and

805
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:07,879
Speaker 1: he was like, you know, if they didn't taste bad

806
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 1: or good, I just ate them with the rice. And

807
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 1: that was the normal thing. And I could tell that

808
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 1: my host was being so like, oh, this Westerner is

809
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:15,760
Speaker 1: gonna eat grubs, and he was kind of like, fine,

810
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 1: I'm just having the grubs.

811
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 2: And then sometimes so he is having like a sizzling

812
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 2: mountain side Vietnamese barbecued beef cubes that sound like legendary.

813
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:28,800
Speaker 2: But I do think sometimes he's like, it's it's grub,

814
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 2: a fried egg okay, but.

815
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 1: I'll say this, I do feel like post this book,

816
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 1: his twenty twenty era, he's very like conferenced ted talk whatever.

817
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 1: I'm sure he's doing pretamande like left and right, and

818
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 1: he's just so like airport grabbing a salmon rap on

819
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,400
Speaker 1: the way on the way to a talk on the

820
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 1: way like an amazing talk at like the Institute of Sandalwood.

821
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,280
Speaker 2: And I think his forked is hovering over the prat

822
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:53,840
Speaker 2: salmon rap like he's leaving half. He's not downing it.

823
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 1: Really maybe now.

824
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 2: And his wife is like, did you eat anything? And

825
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 2: he's like, I don't know, had they samma and prett rap?

826
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 1: Yeah?

827
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:04,360
Speaker 3: Do you think he smokes six?

828
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:08,359
Speaker 1: Okay, here's what sane is. I think that like he

829
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 1: does because he's literally just French and seventy and so

830
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 1: he did smoke cigarettes until he was fifty five and

831
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 1: then he stopped.

832
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 3: Well, the way he talks about other people smoking six,

833
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 3: he's like in the way that she dragged to the cigarette.

834
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 3: You like that?

835
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, but that also makes me think that he

836
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 1: maybe quit by that time.

837
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 2: And misses it because it's like because.

838
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 1: He's almost nostalgic for it when he's describing it, and

839
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 1: he's always describing to other people smoking but not himself.

840
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, good detective work.

841
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 2: Also just random how he mentions his son twice and

842
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 2: he's like, my son won an archery competition. Anyway, I

843
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:43,919
Speaker 2: was in Porta Prince.

844
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 1: For two years.

845
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you're like, what's happening there? Okay, how does

846
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:52,240
Speaker 2: he live? Yeah? When he's not traveled.

847
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 1: I mean their house is so books. It's like French

848
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 1: Nancy Myers. Like it's just like coffee tables and books

849
00:42:58,160 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 1: and little patios and like.

850
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 2: It would beyond the Nancy Mars. It goes into a

851
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 2: little bit like Cambridge, where it's like the amount of

852
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 2: things he must.

853
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:09,320
Speaker 3: Have from travels, his travels. I'm sure it's nickknacks everywhere

854
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 3: and just like little containers of that of roots that

855
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 3: have been soaking for decades, y y y y yeah.

856
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 1: Yeah.

857
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 2: I feel like if you go to his house and

858
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:21,439
Speaker 2: you kind of have a bond or not, even he's

859
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:23,359
Speaker 2: trying to get rid of stuff and he's like, oh,

860
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 2: come into my office. This I got in nineteen seventy three.

861
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 2: It is a vetever god. And then he's like give

862
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 2: you and you're like, oh my God, and it's like

863
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:36,399
Speaker 2: he's he has like six in his drawing.

864
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 1: French people also love to give you slim books, so

865
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:44,360
Speaker 1: he's giving you like a slim like French edition and

866
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:45,360
Speaker 1: it's not a first.

867
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 2: Edition of just like just a French edition.

868
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:50,879
Speaker 1: A French edition of like an Egyptian novel. And he's

869
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 1: just been like, this was very important to me when

870
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 1: I had my son, who I do not see And

871
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 1: you're like, okay, now I have this book. What is

872
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 1: he where? Golf shirts?

873
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 3: Golf shirts, Patagonia baggy?

874
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 2: Yeah?

875
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:06,840
Speaker 1: Wait, you think he's in a five inch baggy.

876
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 2: I think, oh, he's in five inch baggy, but he's

877
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 2: had for like twenty five years, you know. And also

878
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 2: I think he goes to the Patagonia store because you know,

879
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Speaker 2: they have like that exchange program because it's so ego

880
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 2: you can like get money off your next pair, so

881
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Speaker 2: he brings in a pair.

882
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Speaker 1: Of I don't think he's going to the Patagonia store

883
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Speaker 1: in Excellent Provence. I don't think he's doing that.

884
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Speaker 3: You don't say, but where do you think he's getting

885
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 3: his shorts?

886
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Speaker 1: His wife is going to this like l like once

887
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 1: a year, and she's getting him these like good sturdy

888
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 1: cargo shorts from some brand shoes now and they're fine.

889
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 3: I can't see him in cargo shorts.

890
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:41,399
Speaker 1: I do. He's got to stuff sobody, even Nilibin's in there.

891
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 3: No, that's actually a good point.

892
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:43,959
Speaker 2: He's in Cartorage.

893
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 3: He needs store.

894
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Speaker 2: I just think at one point he went to the

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Speaker 2: Patagony Hgo. I'm not saying it's every year. I'm just

896
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Speaker 2: saying once in his goddamn life.

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Speaker 1: He went there once to like give a talk and

898
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Speaker 1: sustainability and he was like, it's super impassive with the

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Speaker 1: Pagonia company. Is I think they prevent a and I'd

900
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Speaker 1: love to see what? And then like that was it?

901
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 2: And he wears the shirt that's like the flap in

902
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 2: the back definitely.

903
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:13,280
Speaker 1: Oh for sure, back flap backslap girls.

904
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:16,839
Speaker 2: And then just like the most dad sneaker boot.

905
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Speaker 1: Merylkay, who are you in the book, Maddie, Maddie.

906
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Speaker 2: I guess you're Dominique. I mean also your creative director

907
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 2: at Mugler and you're ultra fem at Mugler and you're

908
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 2: saying I want childhood.

909
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:35,880
Speaker 1: Okay, but is it Maddie also kind of that like

910
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:38,280
Speaker 1: Whip Snapper Bulgarian girl.

911
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:39,760
Speaker 3: Wait, who was a spy?

912
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 1: You know who like decided to not become a spy.

913
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,479
Speaker 3: Because she loved Bulgarian rose too much.

914
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Speaker 1: He loved the rose industry too much. She was like,

915
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:50,319
Speaker 1: I will not be a spy, but like I will,

916
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 1: like really like just bring this rose industry back.

917
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 2: Yes, because you know you would go out to dinner

918
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Speaker 2: with all the spies and they would pay for everything.

919
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 2: You'd be like, this is so fab and then you'd

920
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 2: have kind of come to rose moment. You'd be like,

921
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:02,760
Speaker 2: I can't.

922
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:05,240
Speaker 3: Oh, so the spy industry is like the art world.

923
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 3: But I'm sconding from.

924
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:11,320
Speaker 1: Yes, and you said no, I choose Rose.

925
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:16,280
Speaker 3: I choose very much like the life of a spy.

926
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Speaker 3: I will be followed by the art world. My entire life.

927
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 1: Live Hanzl ric Obrist is in the lobby of the

928
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 1: iHeart Building right now waiting for you to come out, going, Maddy,

929
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 1: I'll hold you into Tell me how does failure smell?

930
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:35,359
Speaker 2: That must be fun for you.

931
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Speaker 1: I did kind of identify Dominique when he's always opening

932
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Speaker 1: up like a school in a random developing country, because

933
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Speaker 1: as you know, I do have a classroom named after

934
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Speaker 1: me in South Africa. But you didn't know that my

935
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:49,879
Speaker 1: name is not exactly engraved in stone. It's more like

936
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:53,360
Speaker 1: it was printed out. It was laminated. It was a

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00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:53,919
Speaker 1: print out.

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00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 3: You're this month's patron.

939
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, a little of it, maybe, but I think it's

940
00:46:58,160 --> 00:46:58,799
Speaker 1: there every year.

941
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 2: You're definitely dominant because you're like falling in love with

942
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 2: a Bulgarian rose maker, but then like going back to

943
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:05,719
Speaker 2: your son.

944
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 1: Ultimately, I feel like I would be a more present father,

945
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 1: but maybe I wouldn't. I would just feel like he

946
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:12,280
Speaker 1: did archery ons. Anyway, I gotta go in loaves.

947
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 2: I am hmmm. I guess I do feel like I'm

948
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 2: working in one of these fields.

949
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 3: You're one of the Roman people.

950
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 2: I think I am Romani. No. I was like, I'm

951
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:30,360
Speaker 2: a Romani rose. I'm steeping, chanting and chanting and laughing,

952
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:32,880
Speaker 2: and I'm like, the life is good here, like we chill,

953
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:34,399
Speaker 2: we were, It's like work hard, play hard.

954
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:37,799
Speaker 1: I give this book. I would say like three three

955
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 1: and a half notes of vanilla bean out of five. Like,

956
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 1: I thought it was incredibly romantic. I love like the

957
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:49,360
Speaker 1: description of the sheep rubbing up against the sisters branches

958
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 1: in Cyprus, and then the farmers ripping the resin off

959
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:55,920
Speaker 1: the fur. But I did get very little about the

960
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:56,840
Speaker 1: guy himself.

961
00:47:57,239 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 2: That's my only note. I'm kind of like, yeah, like

962
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:03,920
Speaker 2: problematic lavender field out of five, Like I think it

963
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 2: was like romance but also political, geopolitical.

964
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 1: I love the geopolitics. Yeah, I love the actual descriptions

965
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 1: of sense. But I did want more about it.

966
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:16,279
Speaker 2: I just need something, one bridge to connect me to

967
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 2: him a little more.

968
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:19,879
Speaker 1: Because he would then he was like and after three

969
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 1: years of tough negotiations, like with the higher ups, and

970
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 1: I'm kind of like, show me those meetings. Talk to

971
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:27,840
Speaker 1: me about the meetings in the boardroom in Geneva, Like

972
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 1: I want to see that, Like that's interesting, you know

973
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 1: what I mean. Don't just romanticize the Third world farmers, like,

974
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:35,239
Speaker 1: actually talk to.

975
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:37,759
Speaker 2: Me about let's get into Genevans.

976
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was something, yeah, a little bit too paternalistic

977
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 1: about his just being like and I went to these

978
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:44,280
Speaker 1: countries and they were beautiful and I love the people,

979
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 1: and I.

980
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:44,880
Speaker 2: Have to go.

981
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:47,279
Speaker 3: Maybe he still has a job. He can't be out

982
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 3: here being like fully spilling tea.

983
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 2: Oh you can spill farmer tea. You can't spell business tea.

984
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 1: No, But that's what I'm saying. I'm a little bit like,

985
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:57,840
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, be an equal opportunity t spiller.

986
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, Maddie, you're writing mine.

987
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 3: Is a form agarwood, trees gorgeous or something.

988
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:11,240
Speaker 1: Out of five brilliant.

989
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:13,600
Speaker 2: Well, so you would recommend this to people in your field?

990
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:16,800
Speaker 3: I think it's like, well, it's a field study, really.

991
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 2: Your literal field.

992
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 3: I think that the way that he describes the perfumes

993
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:24,239
Speaker 3: is interesting. I also really like the way, like when

994
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:27,239
Speaker 3: he's talking about entfloorage and how it's like you put

995
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 3: a layer of fat and then you just lay the

996
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 3: jasmine over.

997
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 1: That was fascinating. Yeah, on these slabs of concrete and

998
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:36,759
Speaker 1: outside of Cairo and they're just slamming down all this

999
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 1: jasmine and then putting like butter on top of jasmine.

1000
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:40,839
Speaker 1: I guess I don't know what fat they're using.

1001
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:45,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, salt right, fat, poor salt fat acid.

1002
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 2: Bitch. I can't believe we're coming to the end. But Maddie,

1003
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 2: where can we find you? When our listeners are hearing

1004
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 2: you being like whoaa O? Can you just host this ball?

1005
00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 1: Yeah? Can I get more fitty please?

1006
00:49:58,840 --> 00:49:59,280
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1007
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:05,799
Speaker 3: But first Finny, the first Finny nosecandy Podge available apples

1008
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Speaker 3: on everywhere.

1009
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 2: Look your substack.

1010
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:10,800
Speaker 3: Find me there, yeah, my substack.

1011
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:12,800
Speaker 1: Okay, and your address home address.

1012
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 3: Social Sturdy, perfume, Enjoyer dot substack dot com and.

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00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 1: Will be in our show page. Okay. Thank you so much, mad,

1014
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:20,439
Speaker 1: so much mad.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back anytime, literally anytime. This has been a dream,

1016
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 2: this fun bad. This episode of Celebrity book Club was

1017
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Speaker 2: Stephen and Lily was produced by Derby Masters. She invented lavender.

1018
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Speaker 2: I visited her house in the fields of Fronts and

1019
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:46,399
Speaker 2: she gave me a leaf. I smelled it. I've been

1020
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Speaker 2: thinking about it for seventy use. There are supervising producers

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00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:55,880
Speaker 2: Abu Zafar. He gave me a glass of rice wine.

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Speaker 2: Once we talked and talked and talked. One of the

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Speaker 2: best nights of my life. Our executive producers, Christina Everett.

1024
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:08,960
Speaker 2: I actually sued her in Geneva because she stole some

1025
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:12,719
Speaker 2: patuli leaves from me. We are good, but there is

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Speaker 2: a lot of legal between us. The artwork is by

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Speaker 2: Teddy Blanks. I bought one of his paintings in Haiti.

1028
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 2: We were both there and I said, that is beautiful.

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00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:25,959
Speaker 2: He gave it to me it is in my home.

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Speaker 2: This theme song is done by Stephen Phillip's Horse. I

1031
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:33,320
Speaker 2: would listen to his music or my discman when I travel.

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Speaker 2: It kept me through some really hard nights. This podcast

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Speaker 2: with both them produced by Prola Projects. They made the

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Speaker 2: first fragrance I ever tried. I was thirteen. I was

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Speaker 2: just a man in a mall in Provence Discount Mall

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Speaker 2: and I spread it smells good. You can find this

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Speaker 2: podcast on Apple Spotify. Leave a review if you have

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Speaker 2: time or WiFi. I don't know your schedule is, but yeah,

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Speaker 2: best