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Speaker 2: We have an amazing show for everybody today. What do

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Speaker 2: we have, Crystal, indeed, we do.

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Speaker 4: I just don't know what we're going to talk about.

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Speaker 4: There's barely anything.

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Speaker 3: In a lot of developments in the cable news world.

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Speaker 1: All right, So yesterday bloody Monday, Tucker Carlson out, Don

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Speaker 1: Lemon out. There is huge political news this morning as

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Speaker 1: President Joe Biden officially announced his Reelact. Have a launch

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Speaker 1: video that we can show you in some details about

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Speaker 1: exactly how the Democratic base is actually feeling about him

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Speaker 1: right now, which is pretty interesting. We have developments with

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Speaker 1: regard to the debt ceiling. We have developments with regard

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Speaker 1: to the fact that Tony Blinken was ultimately behind that

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Speaker 1: letter of the hallmarks of Russian disinformation. Thing about Hunter

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Speaker 1: Biden's laptop. We've got Kyle Condick in the show to

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Speaker 1: break down all the political news. We also have a

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Speaker 1: gigantic elephant in the room that I think we need

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Speaker 1: to address, which is, what the hell is saga?

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Speaker 5: Eric?

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Speaker 3: What is going on here? Look?

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Speaker 2: I made a pledge to our premium subscribers to commit

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Speaker 2: this sartorial atrocity in the event that Don Lemon was fired.

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Speaker 2: I didn't even remember of Actually, one of our premium

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Speaker 2: subscribers reminded.

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Speaker 3: We went back and we pulled a clip.

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Speaker 2: Here's what I had to say at the time, with

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Speaker 2: the breaking points and counterpoints. Seeing ever wear a hoodie

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Speaker 2: and suit jackets on the air next time is Don

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Speaker 2: Lemon segment.

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Speaker 3: It would be a nice gag. Don't you think? You know?

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Speaker 2: That might be the only time that I would deign

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Speaker 2: to wear a hoodie with suit jacket. I will consider it.

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you this when he gets fired, If that

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Speaker 2: ever happens, I doubt it. Ever, Well, I will wear

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Speaker 2: a hoodie on a suit jacket with hoodie with a

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Speaker 2: s as an homage to Don Lemon.

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Speaker 3: I like it. Yeah, So there you go. Never Here's

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Speaker 3: that was like last week apparently.

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Speaker 4: Last week and we had both already forgotten.

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Speaker 2: I totally forgot. Yeah, I we were reminded. So listen,

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Speaker 2: I'm a man.

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Speaker 3: Of my word. Here it is.

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Speaker 2: Here are a couple of problems wearing a hoodie with

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Speaker 2: a suit jacket you wouldn't think about. First of all,

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Speaker 2: Don Lemon, why do you have a suit jacket which

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Speaker 2: is not tailored properly that actually violates As people can see,

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Speaker 2: this is fitting quite tightly. This is the thinnest hoodie

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Speaker 2: that I own. Shout out to VIORI. I wear this

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Speaker 2: to the gym.

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Speaker 3: It's a nice jacket. It's a very nice hoodie.

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Speaker 4: Put them together and it looks around.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it should be worn at the gym, not you know,

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Speaker 3: with a suit. Now. The issue is is.

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Speaker 2: That there's a lot of cloth and a normal sized hoodie,

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Speaker 3: This is actually a suit.

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Speaker 2: Jacket from probably when I was at my fattest, and

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Speaker 2: even then it barely fits over the same I'm not

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Speaker 1: Here's the thing too, I feel like I don't watch

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Speaker 3: Well, we're in a get of a.

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Speaker 4: Special suit jacket to go over hoodies.

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Speaker 3: So I did deep analysis on the jacket. It does

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Speaker 2: People, he actually got that jacket tailored specifically so that

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Speaker 2: Black jacket on top of a gray hoodie with khakis.

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Speaker 2: It was a complete travesty. I feel like a bum

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Speaker 2: Maybe I can go and buy a properly fitting suit.

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Speaker 2: We got the official announcement yesterday. It is over Tucker Carlson.

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Speaker 2: Up there on the screen from the La Times quote,

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Speaker 3: He was pushed out by Rupert Murdoch.

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Speaker 3: This was very, very tightly kept. But the Murdocks have.

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Speaker 2: Tucker was not implicated in the dominion lawsuit at all. However,

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Speaker 2: It turns out that many of those texts Crystal Yes

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Speaker 2: And while we have not been able to read those

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Speaker 1: His texts were the most embarrassing. I think it's fair

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Speaker 1: But I think it was a sort of cumulative effect

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Speaker 2: Well, I will save some of my commentary about why

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Speaker 2: I think that's completely wrong today in today's age. It

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Speaker 2: the circumstances. Though, I think it's very important to say

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Speaker 2: that the text messages going after Fox News management apparently

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Speaker 3: I guess who knew.

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Speaker 2: Secondly, it comes to that lawsuit that you referenced, is

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Speaker 2: That gives us a little bit of insight into how

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Speaker 3: That's what you reference for those who don't know.

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Speaker 2: Grosberg was a booking producer who actually worked on Carlson's show.

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Speaker 2: own data, I had to dig deep and pull from

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Speaker 2: their own article which they were touting about beating CNN,

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Speaker 2: they average only one hundred and seventy four thousand people

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Speaker 2: in the key demographic primetime average is two hundred and

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Speaker 2: fifty nine thousand. Consider this, That is pathetic. Now, one

447
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Speaker 2: of the reasons why the Tucker Carlston Show was important

448
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Speaker 2: to Fox News was not only did it get three

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Speaker 2: point eight million concurrent viewers while it was live, he

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Speaker 2: had the most amount of young people who watched the

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Speaker 2: show both live and on YouTube. Now, the other thing

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Speaker 2: is that he was the keystone of the Fox Nation

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Speaker 2: streaming platform, the Tucker Carlson Today Podcast, of which they

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Speaker 2: rolled much of his rights into the overall Fox News brand.

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Speaker 3: Now that's over, So.

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Speaker 2: What are they going to do with their bet on

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Speaker 2: the future? All of this comes back to it's not

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Speaker 2: that their business will be fine in the first one

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Speaker 2: to two years, certainly, what about seven years from now?

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Speaker 3: So I've been complete, I've been looking at this.

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Speaker 2: The next cable carriage negotiation is within the next decade

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Speaker 2: for the company. They have to make the case that

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Speaker 2: their aging viewers are going to be worth some of

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Speaker 2: the highest cable carriage fees in the entire business to

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Speaker 2: justify a two billion dollar profit for the Fox News Channel.

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Speaker 2: I just don't think that that case exists anymore. And

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Speaker 2: I'm not the only person. A lot of people in

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Speaker 2: the industry are saying this as well. From one of

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Speaker 2: the comps that I'm trying to make here is O'Riley

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Speaker 2: twenty seventeen also came on the heels of what why

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Speaker 2: did everybody and cable become a star Trump? Well, the

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Speaker 2: era of that level of coverage it's gone. Even if

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Speaker 2: Trump comes back, nobody's going to cover him in the

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Speaker 2: same way. Right now, Fox News is ten out of

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Speaker 2: ten for all programming, but their overall.

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Speaker 3: Number of views is quite low.

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Speaker 2: Again, the best of them was Tark Carlson three point

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Speaker 2: two million as of literally last week, three point eight

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Speaker 2: usually at the overall cap the average young demo. As

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Speaker 2: I said, the comparison I'm using is this, if you

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Speaker 2: were the number one classified ads business in two thousand

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Speaker 2: and one, why should we care? By twenty ten, it's cool.

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Speaker 2: It's great to be a classified business. Classified ads print

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Speaker 2: classifies and that's a multi billion dollar.

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Speaker 3: Business Washington Post company.

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Speaker 2: These people were go flying on private jets, you know,

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Speaker 2: making bank.

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Speaker 3: Guess what a.

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Speaker 2: Decade later, nobody cared. They're all bankrupt.

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Speaker 1: Well, let me let me clarify because I see Fox

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Speaker 1: News in the same light I see MSNBC and CNN,

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Speaker 1: which is that they are all on a path of

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Speaker 1: managed decline. Yes, the business model is already effectively defunct,

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Speaker 1: that they are trying to hold on to the scraps

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Speaker 1: of what they already have. Now, Fox News has the

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Speaker 1: largest of the scraps. They consistently have the highest ratings,

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Speaker 1: even as all of these networks have a very elderly

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Speaker 1: audience and young people are buying large not going to

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Speaker 1: Fox News, even Tucker Carlson Show. I mean, if you

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Speaker 1: look at the numbers of like, you know, thirty year

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Speaker 1: olds who are.

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Speaker 3: Watching that show, it's like two hundred thousand.

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Speaker 1: It's very small, right, So I don't think that whether

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Speaker 1: Tucker is there or Tucker is not there, that they

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Speaker 1: had a very compelling case for the next negotiation with.

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Speaker 4: So you can't.

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Speaker 1: I mean, when you have an entire twenty four hour

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Speaker 1: news network and you're trying to figure out some streaming play,

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Speaker 1: which even with Tucker involved, and that was not particularly successful,

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Speaker 1: I don't think that his presence there was going to

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Speaker 1: rescue them one way or the other.

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Speaker 4: So that's why listen.

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Speaker 1: And to speak to Tucker's role at the network and

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Speaker 1: whether he was like uniquely good or uniquely.

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Speaker 4: Bad or whatever.

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Speaker 1: I think it's always important to take a step back

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Speaker 1: with all of these networks and think about what their

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Speaker 1: bottom line is. Fox News has a dual bottom line.

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Speaker 1: They are first and foremost a partisan outfit.

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Speaker 4: I mean they were.

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Speaker 1: Set up explicitly as a partisan pro Republican party play,

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Speaker 1: and that is another thing that comes out in the

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Speaker 1: Rupert Murdoch texts and all of the texts that were

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Speaker 1: east as part of the Diminion lawsuit. They're actively talking

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Speaker 1: about like how do we prop up the Republican candidates

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Speaker 1: in Georgia? And Rupert Murdock is actively telling Ronda Santis

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Speaker 1: like I want you to be the Republican nominee.

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Speaker 4: I'm going to push you.

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Speaker 1: So this was an explicit partisan play and it's a

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Speaker 1: money making venture. It's both of those things. And so

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Speaker 1: how did Tucker fit into that universe? I mean, his

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Speaker 1: ratings just made him a very valuable asset, no doubt

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Speaker 1: about it, even with advertiser backlash, still a very valuable asset.

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Speaker 1: And ultimately I think he was also a very effective.

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Speaker 4: Partisan.

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Speaker 1: He was a more effective partisan operative because he could

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Speaker 1: be at times more interesting and wouldn't always say the

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Speaker 1: thing that you would expect him to say, Sean Hannity,

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Speaker 1: you always know what you're going to get night after

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Speaker 1: night after night. But because Tucker not only pushed Republican

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Speaker 1: candidates overall, but engaged in some of the inter Republican

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Speaker 1: in trub Republican Party fights and was trying to shape

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Speaker 1: the direction of the Republican Party, that made him more

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Speaker 1: interesting and I think more effective as sort of like,

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Speaker 1: you know, a partisan propagandist for the network. However, you know,

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Speaker 1: part of I think where some of the tension comes

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Speaker 1: from and what comes out in like the January sixth

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Speaker 1: tension and stuff like that, is the side of the

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Speaker 1: Republican Party that he allied himself with was not the

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Speaker 1: side that Rupert Murdock was most comfortable with, which is

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Speaker 1: signaled by the fact you know that Murdoch is going

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Speaker 1: all in for Ronda Santis and clearly has made a

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Speaker 1: decision he wants to move on from Trump.

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Speaker 4: And so I think.

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Speaker 1: That's sort of even as Tucker was still delivering for

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Speaker 1: them in terms of money, still delivering for them, because ultimately,

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Speaker 1: at the end of the day, Tucker is still about,

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Speaker 1: you know, pushing you to vote for whatever Republican candidates

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Speaker 1: in front of you. Still very effective at that, and

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Speaker 1: I would say probably the most effective of all of

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Speaker 1: their hosts at that. The tension comes from which side

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Speaker 1: of the Republican Party split he ends up And I

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Speaker 1: think that, you know, when you compile it with okay,

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Speaker 1: potential sexual harassment, and I don't doubt that she's got

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Speaker 1: some stuff that was going to be very embarrassing and

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Speaker 1: very difficult and that they were going to have to

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Speaker 1: deal with again. You know, when you put all of

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Speaker 1: these things together and that intra Republican party fight that's

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Speaker 1: going on, I think that's why he ends up out.

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Speaker 3: I think you. No, I don't disagree with you.

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Speaker 2: I personally think it probably had it was equal parts

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Speaker 2: ideology and equal parts business, and for Murdoch, he finally.

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Speaker 3: Just was like I've had enough.

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Speaker 2: And basically, also from what I've heard, people inside Fox

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Speaker 2: are furious, not necessarily about the Tucker thing, but they're

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Speaker 2: just like, how are you so capricious in the way

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Speaker 2: that you're handling this. You won't settle the damn lawsuit

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Speaker 2: until we've humiliated ourselves everybody, and then you spend a

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Speaker 2: billion to do so. It's like fairy threw you embarrassed us,

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Speaker 2: and then you paid a billion dollars out You should

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Speaker 2: have just paid a billion from the.

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Speaker 3: Beginning and it saved us all the humiliation.

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Speaker 4: Definitely the case, of course, it's the case.

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Speaker 3: And then and.

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Speaker 1: Remember there's other lawsuits to cut. There's the Smart Mattic

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Speaker 1: lawsuit to come in on top of this. You know,

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Speaker 1: Abby Grosberg is lettername producer suit. There's potential shareholders, like,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot more that's coming down the pike here

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Speaker 1: as well that has potential business impact.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: You know, we can look from the outside and be

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Speaker 1: like Fox News is a juggernaut, which they continue to be,

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Speaker 1: even as I do think they're in the state of

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Speaker 1: longer term managed to climb just like the other cable

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Speaker 1: news networks. But when you are in charge of running it,

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Speaker 1: I can imagine how it feels more precarious. You know,

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Speaker 1: they saw Newsmax and One American News eating into their

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Speaker 1: eating their lunch and eating into their bottom line. They

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Speaker 1: see the way that independent media is rising up, and

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Speaker 1: you know that these creators sort of like Top Talent

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Speaker 1: doesn't really need them anymore. Dan Bongino just left the

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Speaker 1: network as well after they couldn't come to terms over

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Speaker 1: some kind of a deal. So they see the way

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Speaker 1: the media landscape is shifting. They don't know how to

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Speaker 1: handle it, just like none of the other networks know

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Speaker 1: how to handle it either.

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Speaker 4: And so even.

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Speaker 1: Though we look at and your we're like, you have

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Speaker 1: four billion dollars in the bank, like, You're fine, they

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Speaker 1: see the landscape and they understand how tricky and precarious

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Speaker 1: their situation.

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Speaker 4: Actually, I think they should be.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Chrystal, what were you doing in twenty seventeen when

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Speaker 2: O'Reilly left?

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Speaker 3: Or was that early days of Rising or was that

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Speaker 3: before that before I even joined this?

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Speaker 2: Yeah that was before Rise, right, I was a white

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Speaker 2: house course, Like, yeah, that's how long ago it was.

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Speaker 3: Now our show is where it is.

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Speaker 2: We're one of the number one podcasts in the United

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Speaker 2: States whenever it comes to news.

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Speaker 3: That's how quickly the internet can change things.

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying we're anywhere even close to the par

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Speaker 2: but I am saying very clearly people are watching us,

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Speaker 2: which it's a zero sum game in their opinion, and

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Speaker 2: that means that they're not or they're watching the Glenn

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Speaker 2: Greenwall Show or the Jimmy Door Show or the Kyle

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Speaker 2: Kolinski Show, or the Tim Poole Show, or the Ben

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Speaker 2: Shapiro Show, any of our aggregate increases in the audience

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Speaker 2: is a huge existential threat.

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Speaker 3: To all of them.

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Speaker 2: And I think that's a big, big problem for them,

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Speaker 2: which they wouldn't be stupid. Let's actually get to Tucker's

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Speaker 2: future now. Yeah, after that very interesting debate error around

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Speaker 2: Fox News in the future of media. As you can tell,

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Speaker 2: there's a lot to say, Well, Fox's competitors, specifically to

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Speaker 2: this point, go ahead and put this up there on

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Speaker 2: the screen.

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Speaker 3: Newsmax CEO.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, Actually, first of all, in terms of the value

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Speaker 2: that it costs Fox six hundred and ninety million dollars

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Speaker 2: in value on their stock the very same day, almost

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Speaker 2: roughly equivalent to the value of what they had to

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Speaker 2: pay out. Now, obviously it's not a realized gain, but

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Speaker 2: you know, still it shows you that Fox shareholders are

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Speaker 2: not too happy about Tucker's leaving the company, and they're

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Speaker 2: specifically looking to the future earnings on their ability to

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Speaker 2: make up for it. Second, put this up there, please.

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Speaker 2: The Newsmax CEO came out and said, quote, for a while,

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Speaker 2: Fox has been moving to become established in media Tucker

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Speaker 2: Carlson's removal is a milestone in that effort. Millions of

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Speaker 2: viewers who liked Fox News that have made the switch

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Speaker 2: to Newsmax, and Tucker's departure will only fuel that. So

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Speaker 2: the competitors in the linear format are absolutely pouncing on

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Speaker 2: Fox right now. Also in terms of the other people

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Speaker 2: who he may work with. By the way, I want

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Speaker 2: to be clear, I have no inside knowledge. I have

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Speaker 2: not spoken to Tucker Carlson since then. However, I have

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Speaker 2: seen a lot of right wing online companies who I

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Speaker 2: mentioned previously who are coming out and making it clear

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Speaker 2: that they would absolutely be willing to make a deal

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Speaker 2: with him if needed. Throw this up there on the screen.

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Speaker 2: The CEO of The Daily Wire, Jeremy Bori, saying, a

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Speaker 2: lot of people are asking if Tucker Carls is coming

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Speaker 2: to the Daily Wire. I suspect he already has a plan,

666
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Speaker 2: but we'd break out the big novelty check book for

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Speaker 2: him if he doesn't.

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Speaker 3: Making it very clear.

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Speaker 2: Chris Pavlovski, who's the CEO of Rumble, also put this

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Speaker 2: out there. Put the next one up there quote, Cable

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Speaker 2: television is now completely controlled speech. Rumble is now the

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Speaker 2: only bastion for authentic speech. Don't forget Chris personally made

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Speaker 2: that offer of one hundred million dollars to Joe Rogan,

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Speaker 2: and you know, I presume that some similar offer absolutely

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Speaker 2: could be made there. Again, I don't have any inside

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Speaker 2: knowledge here. The next one up here, let's put this

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Speaker 2: obviously AA troll one from RT Russian media says, well, Tucker,

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Speaker 2: if you need a job, you can come on over

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Speaker 2: and work here.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I'm sure I'll take him, so in that way,

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Speaker 4: it's not a trick.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess you're right.

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Speaker 2: I guess they would take him, you know, have taken

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Speaker 2: some other MSNBC personalities and all that.

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Speaker 3: Tucker, though, appears to have something in the works.

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Speaker 2: Let's put this up there on his website that he

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Speaker 2: has updated since then. He says, text Tucker to figure

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00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 2: find out what he's up to next. You can sign

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Speaker 2: up by a text or email. Yeshar A Lea speculating

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Speaker 2: I suspect Tucker already knows exactly what he's going to

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Speaker 2: do next.

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Speaker 3: We'll see.

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Speaker 4: I'm not so sure about that.

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Speaker 3: He there's a lot of options, but.

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Speaker 2: Really more so, it's like he needs to get paid

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Speaker 2: and he needs to get himself out of that non

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Speaker 2: compete before it before anything. That's going to be like

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Speaker 2: the immediate.

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Speaker 4: That'll be the immediate for sure.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if he has plans already

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Speaker 1: in the works, but we do know apparently according to

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Speaker 1: the Wall Street Journal, which of course is a Murdoch property,

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Speaker 1: so you should probably believe they're reporting here, he was

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Speaker 1: informed ten minutes before all of us found out, right,

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Speaker 1: ten minutes and they all, I mean.

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Speaker 4: This is this is what they do.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't matter how long you've been there, doesn't matter whether

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Speaker 1: you've been a good soldier, a bad soldier, or a

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Speaker 1: medium soldier.

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Speaker 4: Like they will protect.

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Speaker 1: Their own brand and they will not give you a

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Speaker 1: chance to, you know, God forbid, go on air and

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Speaker 1: say something like tweet something before they can put out

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Speaker 1: their release and their spin on it, et cetera. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: his staff, you know, outside of his EP executive producer

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Speaker 1: who also was let go, His staff found out by

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Speaker 1: the same news alert that all of us found out,

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Speaker 1: which it's.

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Speaker 2: A good remind wild all these people. Tucker got paid

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Speaker 2: some twenty twenty five million dollars a year. Don Lemon

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Speaker 2: was getting paid probably five ten million dollars a year,

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Speaker 2: Jake Tapper, all these people, they hold themselves.

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Speaker 3: Up as bastions, as independent.

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Speaker 2: Guess what, they can fire your ass until yes, I

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Speaker 2: mean look at that, really really.

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Speaker 3: Understand like they work for somebody.

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Speaker 2: And that's why both of us, Crystal, we've had some experiences,

728
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Speaker 2: certainly with being screwed with by executives, bosses and all that,

729
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Speaker 2: we set our business up exactly this way. Like you know,

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Speaker 2: you can never be a freeman, never or free what

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Speaker 2: you will never be free in your head when you

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Speaker 2: have the axe hanging.

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Speaker 3: Over you like that.

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Speaker 2: He worked there for he worked there since twenty eleven

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Speaker 2: as a contributor. I remember him coming back from the office,

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Speaker 2: going up there on the weekend to do Fox News,

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Speaker 2: Fox and Friends in New York City, shuttling back and forth.

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Speaker 3: They treated him well.

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Speaker 2: They treat you like a king when you're a king,

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Speaker 2: and then they will cut your head off like that

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Speaker 2: with no remorse.

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Speaker 1: And if you don't think that that does hang over

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Speaker 1: all of them and impact the way that they do

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Speaker 1: their jobs, you're a fool. Because they all know the

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Speaker 1: limits of where they can go and what they can say.

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Speaker 1: What's going to rankle management what's going to get them

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Speaker 1: in trouble, what's not going to get them in trouble?

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Speaker 1: And so that is, I mean, that is a core

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Speaker 1: part of how you end up with the like very boring, predictable,

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Speaker 1: not good content that you have on cable news.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it gets to look at Brian kill Me.

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Speaker 2: Brian kill Meat has worked at this company for what

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Speaker 2: well over a decade. He's just Fox and Friends star.

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Speaker 2: Look at the hostage fear in his eyes as he

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Speaker 2: opens for the Tucker Carlson Show when the boss has

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Speaker 2: clearly told him that he had to take over. Very

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Speaker 2: bizarre in the way that he opens Tucker's own show

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Speaker 2: in that time slot with a less than fifteen second

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Speaker 2: passing comment and immediately getting to it.

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Speaker 3: Take a listen, Hi, everybody, and welcome to Fox News Tonight.

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Speaker 3: I am Brian kill Me. As you probably have heard,

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Speaker 3: Fox News and Tucker Carlson.

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Speaker 5: I have agreed to part ways.

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Speaker 3: I wish Tucker the best. I'm great friends with Tucker

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Speaker 3: and always will be.

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Speaker 6: But right now it's time for Fox News Tonight.

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Speaker 3: So let's get started that quick. That's all it takes.

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Speaker 3: You're right to it. You get ten seconds? Yeah, sure

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Speaker 3: is definitely for it.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, man, somebody, you know, they axs you

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Speaker 2: and then you go on there and you fill in

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Speaker 2: that night. That's a little bit scummy in my opinion.

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Speaker 2: But hey, look that's just me talking. It also is

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Speaker 2: a real loss, you know, kill Mead look from a

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Speaker 2: basic ideological perspective, at least a Tucker Carlson show was

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Speaker 2: willing to air some very very dissonant views on the

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Speaker 2: war in Ukraine. Brian kill Mead is a warmongering neo

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Speaker 2: Kon Reaganite low IQ moron and has been for over

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Speaker 2: fifteen years over on Fox and Friends. Some of the

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Speaker 2: interviews that he has conducted are genuinely brain dead, and

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Speaker 2: it would be a massive loss, all right. Who knows

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Speaker 2: in terms of impacting all that, But at the very

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Speaker 2: least cultural impact is you're saying, Crystal, to not have

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Speaker 2: a single anti or single like a single dissonant voice

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Speaker 2: on the Ukraine war, I think is going to be

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Speaker 2: Maybe it's better for us, you know, maybe it's better

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Speaker 2: to have it all online. I'm not sure, but at

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Speaker 2: the very least, like I thought it was making an impact.

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Speaker 3: We'll see.

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Speaker 2: Also Trump himself also weighed in on the reaction to

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Speaker 2: the Tucker Carlson Show or to the Tucker Carlson firing.

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Speaker 2: In an exclusive interview over on Newsmax, here's what he

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Speaker 2: had to say.

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Speaker 7: I don't know if it was voluntary or was it

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Speaker 7: somebody fired, But I think Tucker's been terrific. He's been

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Speaker 7: especially over the last year or so, he's been terrific.

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Speaker 8: To me.

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Speaker 6: There's a lot of turmoil over there at Fox.

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Speaker 7: I mean, seventy eighty seven, they just paid.

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Speaker 5: Why would they get rid of a guy who's performing.

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Speaker 6: Why would somebody do that to their business because they're

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Speaker 6: losing money right now.

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Speaker 5: Their socker's gone down.

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Speaker 7: Well, I was surprised that they made a settlement in

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Speaker 7: that case.

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Speaker 2: I thought that was a case that.

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Speaker 7: Should easily be won, and they made a settlement. Look,

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Speaker 7: you'll have to ask them. I'm not representing them at

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Speaker 7: all by any means. But the Tucker situation, again, you

810
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Speaker 7: didn't know.

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Speaker 5: If it's a firing.

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Speaker 7: Maybe he left because he wasn't being given a free

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Speaker 7: rein he wants free rain. Maybe, but I was surprised.

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Speaker 3: By what did you make of that, Crystal?

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Speaker 2: It was interesting to watch him couch his words because

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Speaker 2: Trump both wants to hit fox Es, but he also.

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Speaker 4: Wants wants to keep them. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he felt like he was walking a very careful

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Speaker 1: line there and by the time, but also his whole like, oh,

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Speaker 1: we don't know whether he was fired or whether he

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Speaker 1: walked away.

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Speaker 4: By the time that.

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Speaker 1: He was recording this interview, we knew damn well that

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Speaker 1: he had definitely been fired. So yeah, he's very carefully

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Speaker 1: choosing his words there. Also, that was on Newsmax with

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Speaker 1: Greg Kelly, who I think is their highest rated program

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Speaker 1: or one of their higher rated programs.

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Speaker 4: But they're trying to make the most of this.

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Speaker 1: But I do think it's important to put in perspective

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Speaker 1: for a variety of reasons where Newsmax actually actually stands.

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Speaker 1: At this point in the demo, they're getting like nine, ten,

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Speaker 1: eleven thousand viewers, So it's kind of astonishing that Fox

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Speaker 1: considered them such a threat that they were willing, they

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Speaker 1: were freaking out internally, and they were shifting their approach

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Speaker 1: to how they were going to handle like these you know,

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Speaker 1: stupid stop the Steel election claims all for this network

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Speaker 1: that now gets like ten thousand people in the demo.

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Speaker 4: But again, it.

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Speaker 1: Shows you how precarious they think themselves to be, and

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Speaker 1: in a sense, they're really not wrong.

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Speaker 4: They're really not wrong.

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Speaker 3: Oh I think you're right.

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Speaker 2: I mean, listen, ten to fifteen thousand can start out small,

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Speaker 2: but then it can snowball. It was I think, I

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Speaker 2: believe Chrystal during the election in November of twenty twenty.

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Speaker 2: Wasn't it like twenty five or fifty thousand. That's quite

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Speaker 2: slow for them.

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Speaker 4: Yes, so they during that stopped the steel part.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they did search there you go, and.

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Speaker 1: There was you know, a more sizeable audience that was

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Speaker 1: tuning in there, maybe even as many as one hundred

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Speaker 1: thousand in the demo. I'd have to go look back

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Speaker 1: and look back at it specifically. And Fox of course

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Speaker 1: was seeing their ratings collapse. So that's what fed into

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Speaker 1: their sense of like, oh my god, this could really

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Speaker 1: be the end for us, and people could change their

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Speaker 1: viewing habits, and you know, I think it also was

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Speaker 1: a wake up call for them in terms of how

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Speaker 1: much control they had over their audience and their position

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Speaker 1: there is dramatically weakened. You only have to look at

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Speaker 1: the Republican primary polls of how much Trump is dominating.

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Speaker 1: When they went all in effectively for DeSantis, and Murdoch

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Speaker 1: is pushing for DeSantis and obviously their their audience as

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Speaker 1: a mind of their own. So even though now Newsmax

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Speaker 1: and One America have fallen back to quite low ratings,

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Speaker 1: especially in that key demographic, which, by the way, for

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Speaker 1: cable news is the only demographic that matters for advertisers,

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Speaker 1: et cetera, even though they have fallen back to those

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Speaker 1: small numbers, it does show you that you know, there

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Speaker 1: are alternatives.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 1: The whole reason that Fox built the juggernaut is because

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Speaker 1: they were effectively a monopoly and the only game in town,

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Speaker 1: and that is simply not the case anymore. I think

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Speaker 1: zooming out from Fox, looking at the whole cable news

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Speaker 1: landscape which we're about to transition to CNN, you're going

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Speaker 1: to see it be less about these individual stars and

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Speaker 1: more about just the sort of like standard issue replaceable whoever,

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Speaker 1: because if you are a genuine star who can drawn audience,

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Speaker 1: you just don't need these platforms. And having your freedom,

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Speaker 1: you know, impinged in that way, and having a boss

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Speaker 1: over your head who can cut you loose at anytime,

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Speaker 1: you know it's worth even if you take a hit

884
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 1: on cultural relevance. Even if you take somewhat of a

885
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:32,840
Speaker 1: hit monetarily, it's worth it in some instances not to

886
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: have that axe hanging over your head. So I think

887
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:38,479
Speaker 1: the era of the sort of like gigantic cable news star.

888
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 1: I really think that that's probably coming to an end.

889
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 5: Listen.

890
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 3: I can only hope that's a good thing.

891
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:50,840
Speaker 1: That's definitely a good thing. All right, So let's talk

892
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 1: about CNN. Minutes after we finished recording, are like, oh

893
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 1: my god, Tucker Carlson's been fired segment yesterday, we get

894
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 1: the note of that, oh my god, Don Lemon is

895
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:04,880
Speaker 1: actually on at CNN. That, as we discuss at the

896
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,319
Speaker 1: beginning of the show, is why Sager is wearing this

897
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:09,280
Speaker 1: absolutely ridiculous outfit.

898
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 3: Look at this. This is not meant to be done

899
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 3: with people. It's not never meant to be done.

900
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:17,359
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie. It genuinely looks terrible. So what's

901
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 1: interesting is even on the way out, it was kind

902
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 1: of ugly and messy over at CNN. So Don Lemon

903
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:28,359
Speaker 1: put out a statement that was complaining that after all

904
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 1: these years of service at CNN, that they didn't tell

905
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:34,760
Speaker 1: him personally, that they told him through an agent CNN

906
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 1: did not appreciate this tweet that he put out, and

907
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 1: so they put out their own comments here put this

908
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 1: up on the screen. So initially, if you look at

909
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 1: the bottom, this is what they put on initially Initially,

910
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 1: is this very diplomatic. CNN and Don have parted ways.

911
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 1: Don will forever be a part of the CNN family.

912
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:53,880
Speaker 1: We thank him for his contributions over the past seventeen years.

913
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 1: We wish him well, and we'll be cheering him on

914
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 1: in his future endeavors. Then after he puts out his

915
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:03,919
Speaker 1: like Caddie aggrieved statement, then they come back with Don

916
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 1: Lemon's statement about this morning's events is inaccurate. He was

917
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:10,840
Speaker 1: offered an opportunity to meet with management but instead released

918
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:15,280
Speaker 1: a statement on Twitter. We also have some reporting about

919
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 1: exactly what went down with Don Lemon, and some of

920
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:22,320
Speaker 1: this has been visible for anyone who has been watching

921
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 1: their poorly rated Terrible Morning show, which is that his

922
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:30,280
Speaker 1: female co host, Caitlin Collinson Poppy Harlowe hate his guts,

923
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 1: and for good reason, because he doesn't know how to

924
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 1: play well with others. Look, it is a very different

925
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 1: deal when you have your own show and you can

926
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 1: do with it what you want, and you can take

927
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 1: up as much space and as much airtime as you want.

928
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 1: But as someone who has co hosted with a lot

929
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 1: of people, not all of whom are as wonderful to

930
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 1: work with as Saga, if you have someone in that

931
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 1: role who wants to hog up all the space and

932
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 1: not let anyone else in, it becomes a very tense

933
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 1: situation amongst the co host and it becomes very tense

934
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,799
Speaker 1: for the audience to watch because they can feel.

935
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 4: That that friction and that tension.

936
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 1: Who wants to like start their day with this weird

937
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:14,400
Speaker 1: underlying psychodrama that's going on, So apparently it's put this

938
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 1: up on the screen. For The New York Times, they

939
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:19,360
Speaker 1: had some reporting about exactly what was going on behind

940
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:21,840
Speaker 1: the scenes. They say Don Lemon ousted from CNN in

941
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 1: move that left him stun Hours before those dueling statements,

942
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 1: he was on air in his usual anchor chair. He

943
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:31,320
Speaker 1: showed no signs of knowing what was about to happen.

944
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 1: The end, he signed off to viewers with a smile

945
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 1: and friendly by everybody. But they said in recent weeks,

946
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 1: CNN's bookers had discovered some guests didn't want to be

947
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:43,800
Speaker 1: on the air with mister Lemon. Research on the Morning

948
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 1: Show reviewed by CNN executives found his popularity with audiences

949
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 1: had fallen, and on Wednesday, he made headlines again after

950
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 1: a highly contentious on air exchange with Vivek Ramaswami, a

951
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 1: Republican residential candate segment.

952
00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:59,839
Speaker 4: Deteriorated as the men fiercely debated.

953
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:02,400
Speaker 1: Questions have black history in the Second Amendment. Mister Lemon's

954
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:06,359
Speaker 1: co anchor, Miss Harlowe, could be seen sitting silently beside him,

955
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 1: at times, casting her gaze elsewhere and scrolling through her smartphone.

956
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 4: I want to show you, guys a little.

957
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 3: Bit of this.

958
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 1: They go on to say that that incident left several

959
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 1: CNN leaders exasperated.

960
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:20,760
Speaker 4: I want to show you a little bit of this incident.

961
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 1: Not because of the content of the debate, which in

962
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 1: my opinion, both of them lost for various reasons, but

963
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 1: because you can see on Poppy Harlow's face and her

964
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:32,879
Speaker 1: body language and what she is doing there, just how

965
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 1: much she hates the situation she's in.

966
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:36,400
Speaker 4: Take a look at a bit of this A.

967
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 9: The way, please, I cannot keep a thought if you

968
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 9: guys are talking to me my ear, so hang on

969
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 9: one second, so to say that that black people would

970
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 9: say what you said again.

971
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 3: Historical fact, but notical.

972
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:47,440
Speaker 5: The part that I find is you say it's historical.

973
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 9: Part part that I find insulting that you're regarding you

974
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 9: here as a fellow citizen.

975
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 5: You're starting to.

976
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 9: Hear whatever ethnicity you are explaining.

977
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:56,800
Speaker 3: To me, continuing that conversation.

978
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:57,880
Speaker 9: Well, thank you the conversation.

979
00:43:57,920 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 3: Thank you so much, Thank.

980
00:43:59,000 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 5: You, Papa.

981
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:02,359
Speaker 4: We'll talk about China, yes, chime you come back.

982
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 3: Oh, thank you much to say on declaring independence from China.

983
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:09,719
Speaker 3: So you, thank you, thank you, thank you.

984
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:14,799
Speaker 1: Oh boy, her face if you're just listening, stone face

985
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 1: the whole time, she looks. I mean, I honestly have

986
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 1: been in that situation. I know exactly what it feels like.

987
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:23,879
Speaker 1: When she had prepared for the segment too, she had

988
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 1: things that she was something she wanted to tell its

989
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:28,839
Speaker 1: presential contender. Clearly she wanted to talk to him about China,

990
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:30,840
Speaker 1: which he has made some really you know, aggressive and

991
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 1: kind of out there statements that you could you could

992
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:35,400
Speaker 1: go back and forth and have an interesting exchange on,

993
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 1: and instead Don Lemon decides he's going to take up

994
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 1: the entire time with this weird debate that they this

995
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:45,319
Speaker 1: weird like esoteric historic debate and what ultimately made for

996
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 1: very uncomfortable and not good television.

997
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 4: If it was just that exchange, I'm.

998
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:53,359
Speaker 1: Sure no big deal because everybody oversteps somebody. It's it's

999
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:55,359
Speaker 1: a little you know, delicate dance you're doing with your

1000
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 1: co hosts, et cetera. But there have been so many

1001
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:02,760
Speaker 1: visible incidents, let alone what we don't know behind the scenes,

1002
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 1: and clearly they decided this man is getting paid a

1003
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 1: lot of money, and the guests don't like him, the

1004
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 1: audience doesn't like him, his co hosts don't like him,

1005
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 1: Like this is supposed to be Chris Lick's new flagship show.

1006
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 4: What are we doing here?

1007
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:17,719
Speaker 7: Yeah?

1008
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1009
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just psycho because you know, when you

1010
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:22,360
Speaker 2: respect somebody, It's like Chris, when we interview people and

1011
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 2: you want to ask a question, I'll look at you

1012
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 2: and be like you want to like, okay, cool, you know,

1013
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 2: saying vice versa. I'll be like, hey, I have a

1014
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 2: follow up, like put a finger up or something like that.

1015
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 2: Both have things. We'll even talk about it a little

1016
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 2: bit before. This man has no respect for his co os,

1017
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 2: and I honestly, I am going to and look, you know,

1018
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:38,240
Speaker 2: I am not this guy. I don't think he respects women.

1019
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 2: I like, from the takeaway of the tech, that crazy

1020
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 2: text message scenario whenever he was texting fifteen years ago

1021
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:52,880
Speaker 2: off a burner phone, basically like weird threatening messages because

1022
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 2: he didn't.

1023
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 3: Get a job.

1024
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 2: Clearly coupled with the past your prime comments on top,

1025
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 2: he's not only a crea madonna. I think he is

1026
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 2: such like an insane misogynist narcissist. And it takes a

1027
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:09,359
Speaker 2: lot for me to say that, but like I've seen

1028
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 2: it enough.

1029
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:11,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, like I've seen it enough.

1030
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:16,799
Speaker 1: Having a little bit of inside CNN knowledge, I think

1031
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 1: your comments fit with some of the things that I

1032
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 1: have heard behind the scenes. But I think all of

1033
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 1: his I think everybody that worked with him couldn't stand him.

1034
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 1: I mean, that's why the knives came out for him

1035
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 1: the minute that he was vulnerable here and again, look,

1036
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 1: there's another thing to say about this, which is Chrislick

1037
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:36,720
Speaker 1: comes into CNN, he's supposed to be turning around the network.

1038
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:39,359
Speaker 1: He's supposed to be, you know, ushering in a new era.

1039
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:41,919
Speaker 1: Going back to the basics of what made CNN Great,

1040
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:45,359
Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera. It is the most basic understanding

1041
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 1: of how to create television, and especially how to create

1042
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 1: a morning show that people are going to watch. You

1043
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 1: have to think about who you're putting together and whether

1044
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 1: they have keme. You can't just slap random three anchors

1045
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 1: together who may or may not be on their own

1046
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:02,319
Speaker 1: and think it's just going to.

1047
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 4: Gel and work.

1048
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:06,799
Speaker 1: It is actually rare to have a situation where you

1049
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:08,799
Speaker 1: have chemistry with someone, where you have that give and take,

1050
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:11,880
Speaker 1: where it is comfortable, where you have that good working relationship,

1051
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 1: where you can disagree at times and debate at times,

1052
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 1: and you know how to hand off the ball, and

1053
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:19,799
Speaker 1: all of those things are not a guarantee, far from it.

1054
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 1: So I also want to say, you know, Don Lemon

1055
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:25,719
Speaker 1: is Don Lemon, and it was no surprise who this

1056
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 1: man was before you put him in the slot. It's

1057
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 1: humiliating for Chris Lipt that this this is the morning

1058
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 1: show thing was supposed to be like what he does,

1059
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:37,400
Speaker 1: This was supposed to be his specialty. This was his

1060
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 1: big flagship ship effort as he took over in the network,

1061
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 1: to put his imprint on it. And it just is

1062
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:48,839
Speaker 1: a complete visible catastrophe, and you know, to get back

1063
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 1: to like the tension between that was obvious between Don

1064
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:55,720
Speaker 1: Lemon and his misogyny and Soger points out towards women.

1065
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 1: What sort of set off this whole chain of events

1066
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:01,320
Speaker 1: that ends up with him being fired is his comments

1067
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 1: about Nicki Haley and whether or not she's in her prime.

1068
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 1: Take a listen to a bit of that this troll.

1069
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 9: We'll talk about age to be uncomfortable. I think that

1070
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:10,719
Speaker 9: I think it's the wrong road to go down. She

1071
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 9: says people, you know, politicians or something and not in

1072
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:14,799
Speaker 9: their prime. Nicki Haley isn't in a prime. Sorry, when

1073
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 9: a woman is considered being in our prime in her

1074
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 9: twenties and thirties and maybe forty, that's not according to me.

1075
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 5: For what it depends, And it's just like prime.

1076
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:23,400
Speaker 9: If you look it up, it'll if you if you

1077
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:25,720
Speaker 9: google when does a woman in a prime? It'll say twenties,

1078
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 9: thirties and forties forties. So I got another So I

1079
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 9: agree with that. So I think she has to be

1080
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 9: careful about saying that, you know, politicians aren't.

1081
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 10: In their prime?

1082
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:35,400
Speaker 4: Are you talking about prime for like child or.

1083
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 5: In facts? Are Google and everybody at home. When is

1084
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:40,399
Speaker 5: a woman in a prime?

1085
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 9: It says twenties, thirties and forties. And I'm just saying,

1086
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 9: Nicki Haley should be careful about saying that politicians are

1087
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 9: not in their prime and they need to be in

1088
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 9: their prime when they serve, because she wouldn't be in

1089
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 9: a prime according to Google, Google or.

1090
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:50,440
Speaker 10: Whatever it is.

1091
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 4: And there were other incidents where.

1092
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:55,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel so bad for her. Apparently, you know,

1093
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 3: she stormed off.

1094
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:58,800
Speaker 2: She was crying afterwards, like what's wrong with you, dude, Like,

1095
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 2: you know, from a very basic level, even if you

1096
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 2: believe it, why would you say that to somebody right

1097
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 2: to her faith? Her ass is getting up at four

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Speaker 2: point thirty in the morning. I don't know if she

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Speaker 2: has kids or not. That ain't a fun life, you know,

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Speaker 2: it's like and then basically saying that like she's like

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Speaker 2: wasting her life or whatever like that to her, it's

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Speaker 2: just really gross.

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Speaker 4: It is gross.

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Speaker 1: And there was another Remember there was another really visible

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Speaker 1: incident where again Don Lemon is acting like this is his.

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Speaker 3: Show alone, Yeah yeah, and talking over.

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Speaker 1: Caitlyn is trying to get in and just to like

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Speaker 1: contribute to I think we're like talking about Biden was

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Speaker 1: getting off an airplane or something, and Caitlyn covered the

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Speaker 1: White House, so she felt like, Okay, this is my

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Speaker 1: time to jump in and sort of commentate this and

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Speaker 1: do this thing. And Don got so irritated with her

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Speaker 1: that she was even trying to be in this segment

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Speaker 1: at all. And apparently there was some ugly scene after

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Speaker 1: the fact that many people were witnessed to. So in

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Speaker 1: any case, the math here just didn't make sense. At

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Speaker 1: the end of the day, whatever, I'm sure they'll probably

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00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:57,839
Speaker 1: have to pay him out some settlement as well, pay

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Speaker 1: out his contract whatever.

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Speaker 4: He probably just a new deal when.

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Speaker 1: He got put on this morning show, so I wouldn't

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Speaker 1: doubt that he has a number of years left on

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Speaker 1: his contract. But they just looked at the math and

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Speaker 1: they were like, what are we getting out of this situation?

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Speaker 4: I already hates this dude. His female co hosts definitely

1126
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Speaker 4: hate this dude.

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Speaker 1: The show was getting terrible ratings. Why are we going

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Speaker 1: forward with this? And so at the you know, once

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Speaker 1: they got this research back, apparently that was like the

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Speaker 1: audience doesn't like him, the guests don't like him, his

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Speaker 1: coworkers nowhere like him, his co hosts don't like him.

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Speaker 4: They're like, all right, we're done here.

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Speaker 3: Well, good ridding, Stan. I hope they don't pay him.

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Speaker 2: I think, you know, here was the only thing I enjoyed.

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Speaker 2: He was second rate news. Even on the day of

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Speaker 2: his firing, he wasn't at the top of I checked

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Speaker 2: all the major outlets.

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Speaker 3: You would have been at one point, would have.

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Speaker 2: Been the front page because Tucker was a bigger story.

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Speaker 2: It was everywhere, even in terms of our own viewers.

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Speaker 2: Our viewers cared much more about Tucker than Don Lemon.

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Speaker 2: I see it everywhere Sonner number two, even on his

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Speaker 2: way out, I can.

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Speaker 4: Imagine him having a second act.

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Speaker 1: I could if he goes, if he goes back to

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Speaker 1: remember how he used to do during the Obama era,

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00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:05,839
Speaker 1: all that like like black respectability, like pull up your

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00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 1: pants and all that stuff. If he leaned into that

1149
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 1: sort of like you know, conservative respectability politics, I could

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Speaker 1: see him having a second US.

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Speaker 3: It's possible.

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Speaker 2: You said, Crystal that it was the prime video. I

1153
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:17,239
Speaker 2: think it's the hoodie What did it?

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Speaker 3: That was it? That was the end committee. That's what

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Speaker 3: put him over the edge.

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Speaker 4: That could be all right, So it is put up

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00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:24,920
Speaker 4: or shut up?

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Speaker 1: Time in terms of Republicans and debt sealing negotiations. Kevin

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Speaker 1: McCarthy offered a bill, but there's a real open question

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Speaker 1: whether he can get his own caucus to go along

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Speaker 1: with it.

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Speaker 4: Remember, he can only lose five votes, well really four votes.

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Speaker 4: Once he loses the fifth, that's it. It's over.

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Speaker 1: And he is facing challenges on both ends of the

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Speaker 1: ideological spectrum.

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Speaker 4: He's got moderates who are leaning no.

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Speaker 1: He's got sort of like House Freedom Caucus right wing

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Speaker 1: people who are leaning no. So we'll see how this

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Speaker 1: all works out. Let's go and put this up on

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Speaker 1: the screen. It's from Jake Sherman. A little bit of

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Speaker 1: detail about where things stand. They say the GOP whip

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Speaker 1: team works through on the weekend to shore up the

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Speaker 1: vote count on their debt limit bill. House Freedom Caucus,

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Speaker 1: that's HFC pushing for work requirements to kick in in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four instead of twenty twenty five, so they

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Speaker 1: have some disputes with how this is all going to

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Speaker 1: work out. They also want to up the hours for

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Speaker 1: work requirements to Leadership is not interested in either.

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Speaker 4: Number two.

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Speaker 1: He also says that Dems seem to be trying to

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Speaker 1: figure out what McCarthy is up to, but it's quite

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Speaker 1: simply he wants a negotiation with Biden's ultimate goal of

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Speaker 1: spending reductions work requirements in permitting reform. They also go

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Speaker 1: on to say here that House Rules will take up

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Speaker 1: the bill sometime today, likely around four pm. Goal is

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Speaker 1: to get a vote by Wednesday, but that easily could slip.

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Speaker 1: But those next peece up on the screen from NBC News.

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Speaker 1: This gives a little bit of the sense of who

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Speaker 1: exactly are the holdouts. They say McCarthy faces his first

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Speaker 1: big test as speaker, diffusing a debt sealing time bomb.

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Speaker 1: Of course, it's a debt sealing time bomb of his

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Speaker 1: own making, but put that aside, five Republican no votes

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00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:02,359
Speaker 1: would derail the macarth the debt bill. Democrats will all

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Speaker 1: be opposed to it. Several of the twenty hard right

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Speaker 1: conservatives who initially blocked McCarthy from winning the speakership three

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Speaker 1: months ago have threatened to vote no this week. To

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Speaker 1: give you a sense of some of the things that

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Speaker 1: they're concerned about, you've got former Freedom Caucus chair Andy

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Speaker 1: Biggs saying that he told the gop Whip team he's

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Speaker 1: leaning no over its main provision, which is lifting the

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Speaker 1: debt sailing by one point five trillion dollars. You know,

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Speaker 1: some of these people say they won't vote for any

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Speaker 1: debt seiling increase.

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Speaker 4: Which I don't know how you work with that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, good luck.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Matt Gates has demanded quote more rigor on work requirements

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Speaker 1: and recipients of Medicaid and other safety net programs. Victoria's Sparks,

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Speaker 1: another House Freedom Caucus type, went back and forth on

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Speaker 1: supporting McCarthy. For Speakers, said she's also undecided, arguing if

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Speaker 1: her party wants to target the poor, it should also

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Speaker 1: challenge the rich monopolist. Okay, fair enough, I like that one. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 1: centrist or swing district Republicans like Representatives Tony Gonzalees of

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Speaker 1: Texas and Nancy Maace of South Carolina also are withholding support.

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Speaker 1: Mace said she is leaning no because the bill doesn't

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Speaker 1: balance the budget and could harm green energy business.

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Speaker 4: In her state.

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Speaker 1: That is I think a key piece here because within

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Speaker 1: this bill, all of the various cuts that are going

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Speaker 1: to be contemplated, there are going to be some districts

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Speaker 1: that benefit from the green energy credits. There are I

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Speaker 1: was just reading a report yesterday about how breadlines are

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00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 1: expanding and need for food aid is actually massively increasing

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Speaker 1: due to inflation across the country. And it's at this

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Speaker 1: very moment that you want to cut snap food stamp benefits,

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Speaker 1: You're going to have centrists who are concerned about that.

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Speaker 1: So I don't know whether he's going to be able

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Speaker 1: to pull this one off or not.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's going to be really tough now

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Speaker 2: as I understand it. The way that the White House

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00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:45,760
Speaker 2: and the Senate Dems are basically doing is they're holding

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Speaker 2: their breath. If McCarthy can pass the bill, then he's

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Speaker 2: a serious negotiator.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. If he doesn't, all eyes are going to be

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Speaker 3: in the Senate.

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Speaker 2: So effectively, what I understand is that the very first

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Speaker 2: bill passed by the House of Representatives was that repeal

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Speaker 2: of the IRS to the IRS budget increase. That's called

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00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:06,120
Speaker 2: a revenue vehicle. Revenue vehicles all have to originate in

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Speaker 2: the House of Representatives because of the Constitution. That's the

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00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:10,920
Speaker 2: only revenue vehicle bill that's been sent over to the Senate.

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Speaker 2: The Senate is sitting on that bill. The reason why

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Speaker 2: is they can now amend that to include the debt

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00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:19,520
Speaker 2: ceiling if they want to. So basically everyone is waiting

1245
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:22,640
Speaker 2: Chuck Schumer and McConnell. If mcarthy can pass the bill, okay,

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Speaker 2: then we're not going to be using this. Otherwise McConnell

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00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:28,920
Speaker 2: will then probably step in. They will negotiate whatever the

1248
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:32,120
Speaker 2: debt ceiling is. Biden will get involved with those two.

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Speaker 3: It will pass the Senate kick to the House. Then

1250
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Speaker 3: it's a game of chicken.

1251
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 2: Does McCarthy let it come up to the floor for

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Speaker 2: a vote. Do the Dems use it as a discharge

1253
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:44,080
Speaker 2: petition and get it to the floor anyways and maybe

1254
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:46,520
Speaker 2: get ten Republicans to vote for them. It comes down

1255
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:50,040
Speaker 2: to some really crazy, high stakes chicken negotiation, but in

1256
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:51,279
Speaker 2: my opinion, it's probably the most likely.

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Speaker 3: I don't think you can pass a stamp bill. What

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Speaker 3: do you think?

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Speaker 2: I don't see when you got Nancy Mace over here

1260
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Speaker 2: saying I don't want to cut green energy jobs because

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Speaker 2: we're talking about a billion dollars in stuff used GOP

1262
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:03,080
Speaker 2: districts in many cases, and then you got somebody over

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00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:04,680
Speaker 2: hear says I don't want to raise the destining at all.

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Speaker 3: How are you going to get nine votes to agree

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00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:07,840
Speaker 3: to agree to those.

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00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:09,799
Speaker 1: And none of these people care about like the good

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00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:12,239
Speaker 1: of the Republican Party. They're looking out for their own

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00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:15,719
Speaker 1: personal interests in their own very different districts. Yes, so

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00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:18,879
Speaker 1: for a Matt Gates, it makes all the political sense

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00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:19,440
Speaker 1: in the world.

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Speaker 4: And he has gone a long way.

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Speaker 1: He's the reason we know his name from being a

1273
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:28,759
Speaker 1: hard hard line, you know, being difficult, like causing problems

1274
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:31,720
Speaker 1: for Republican leadership, taking the furthest fringe.

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00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:34,680
Speaker 4: That is really good for him in terms.

1276
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:36,560
Speaker 1: Of his politics and his desire to be on cable

1277
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:38,880
Speaker 1: news and his desire to fundraise or whatever it is

1278
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:41,840
Speaker 1: he wants to do. And if you're Nancy Mace or

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Speaker 1: one of these New York Republicans who are representing Biden districts, well,

1280
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:48,239
Speaker 1: guess what benefits you. You have to be able to

1281
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:50,440
Speaker 1: go and say to your constituents, Look, I'm not like

1282
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:54,080
Speaker 1: these other hardline Republicans. I'm different. I'm reasonable. I you know,

1283
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:56,319
Speaker 1: pushed back when they wanted me to go along with

1284
00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:58,240
Speaker 1: all of these cuts that would have heard our district.

1285
00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:01,440
Speaker 1: So each of them looking out for the individual interest

1286
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 1: makes it very difficult an they're holdout, by the way,

1287
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:07,320
Speaker 1: is George Santos who represents one of these more moderate

1288
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:10,200
Speaker 1: New York districts, and I mean also is very likely

1289
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:12,440
Speaker 1: to lose because of all of the other George Santos

1290
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:15,040
Speaker 1: things that we know about. But he's another one that

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00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:17,320
Speaker 1: told I think it was the have an impost that

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00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:20,600
Speaker 1: he right now is a no. I'm not sure exactly

1293
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:23,480
Speaker 1: what his reasoning is, but it just shows you all

1294
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 1: of the balls that McCarthy has to juggle and all

1295
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:30,120
Speaker 1: of the competing interests that it's just impossible to get.

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00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:31,040
Speaker 4: Them to align.

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Speaker 1: The only way I think he gets this through is

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00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:36,960
Speaker 1: if the Caucus really does believe that it will be

1299
00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:40,320
Speaker 1: sort of humiliating for Republicans as a whole and really

1300
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 1: damaging to their prospects of doing anything if they don't

1301
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:48,200
Speaker 1: pass this particular bill. But again, when you have individual

1302
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:51,320
Speaker 1: self interest competing with the good of the party, guess

1303
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:53,520
Speaker 1: what's very likely to win out in the end. And

1304
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:56,280
Speaker 1: that's clearly what the White House is betting on. At

1305
00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:59,160
Speaker 1: the same time, you do have Wall Street starting to

1306
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:02,520
Speaker 1: kind of break down a little bit. You'll recall Kevin

1307
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 1: McCarthy made what I thought was kind of a weird

1308
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 1: trip to Wall Street, gave a speech to the New

1309
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:10,480
Speaker 1: York Stock Exchange went on CNBC to try to convince them, like, hey,

1310
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:12,240
Speaker 1: y'all should really be on my side, and they're like,

1311
00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:15,920
Speaker 1: we're interested in making money and you're holding the entire

1312
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:17,600
Speaker 1: economy and market hostage.

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Speaker 4: We are not on your side.

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Speaker 1: But this next vis up on the screen from Politico,

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Speaker 1: they say, nobody knows when it's going to happen.

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Speaker 4: Wall Street wakes up to default threat.

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Speaker 1: The government has until the summer to strike a deal,

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Speaker 1: so there are some sort of under the radar signs

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Speaker 1: that Wall Street is beginning to really get serious about

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Speaker 1: this threat. They quote the chief political economist at Goldman

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Speaker 1: Sachs saying, there's this few in DC that the market

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Speaker 1: isn't freaking out enough. And that may be true to

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Speaker 1: an extent, but I'm dealing almost exclusively with this issue

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Speaker 1: the last few weeks, and there's actually more concern now

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Speaker 1: than even back in twenty eleven, which is the last

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Speaker 1: time that this all really happened, when SMP downgraded US

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Speaker 1: debt during a similar standoff. It's just that nobody knows

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Speaker 1: when it's going to happen or what to do about it.

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Speaker 1: They also point to the shift from general nonchalance to

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Speaker 1: rising concern can be seen in an obscure corner of

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Speaker 1: the market, the soaring cost of ensuring against exposure to

1332
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Speaker 1: US debt through instruments called credit default swaps. The cost

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Speaker 1: of ensuring against the US default rose to its highest

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Speaker 1: level in over a decade after JP Morgan analysts said

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Speaker 1: there was a non trivial risk of at least a

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Speaker 1: technical default on the government's debt. And you have a

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Speaker 1: bunch of quotes in this article from various Wall Street

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Speaker 1: analyst types.

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Speaker 9: You had.

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Speaker 1: City CEO Jane Fraser said her bank believes it's quote

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Speaker 1: now more likely that the US will enter into a

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Speaker 1: shallow recession later this year. The biggest unknown, she told

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Speaker 1: analysts on the bank's recent earnings call, is how the

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Speaker 1: debt ceiling plays out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think this is where all eyes are. As

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00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:52,280
Speaker 2: you said, Look, Wall Street doesn't care. They don't give

1347
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Speaker 2: a damn whether you increase spending or decrease spending. All

1348
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Speaker 2: they care about is are the interest rates going to

1349
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Speaker 2: stay flat? And are you not going to screw with

1350
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Speaker 2: what's going on in the markets. And no matter which

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Speaker 2: way it goes, brinksmanship and default is bad for the

1352
01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:10,320
Speaker 2: overall US economy, which would basically crash the stock market

1353
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Speaker 2: and cause them a bunch of headaches. Once again, they

1354
01:00:12,560 --> 01:00:14,600
Speaker 2: literally do not care whatsoever as long as you don't

1355
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Speaker 2: raise taxes on them. They'll be like, listen, you do

1356
01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:19,600
Speaker 2: whatever you want. So McCarthy's gamble was kind of foolish

1357
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:21,680
Speaker 2: from the beginning. He was trying to calm markets with

1358
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:24,640
Speaker 2: the idea that listen, any brinksmanship is going to invite

1359
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Speaker 2: a massive market reaction, doesn't matter whether they think you're

1360
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:30,960
Speaker 2: a serious guy or not. Now again, we comes back

1361
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:33,520
Speaker 2: to this question, can he pass it or not. If

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Speaker 2: he can't pass it, it's going to the Senate, and

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Speaker 2: then we're looking at some wild eleventh hour votes in

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Speaker 2: the House of Representatives, maybe till three in the morning

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Speaker 2: or whatever, where we technically breach, but don't breach.

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Speaker 3: Let's all just try and avoid that if possible.

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Speaker 2: But I honestly, I don't know, you know, looking at

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Speaker 2: the situation, it looks bad.

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Speaker 3: It really does look bad.

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Speaker 1: I mean, and I don't need to underscore for people

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Speaker 1: that the economy is already in a very precarious position,

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Speaker 1: that people wages are getting eaten up by inflation, that

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Speaker 1: the Fed's continued interest rate hiking has been a real

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Speaker 1: problem for ordinary people, and you know, their day to

1375
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:14,880
Speaker 1: day life economic anxiety already very high, a lot of

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Speaker 1: concerns about a you know, some type of recession, deep shallow,

1377
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Speaker 1: who knows, And so into that mix of tons of

1378
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:27,160
Speaker 1: uncertainty and economic challenges, you're going to hold the whole

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Speaker 1: global economy hostage to get some work requirements on SNAP

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Speaker 1: and on Medicaid, Like, come on, you think the American

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Speaker 1: people are going to be on your side and you

1382
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Speaker 1: think Wall Street's going to be on your side on that?

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Speaker 4: Not a chance.

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Speaker 1: But on the other hand, with McCarthy, I mean, this

1385
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Speaker 1: is the deal with the devil he made in order

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Speaker 1: to ascend to the speakership, and so if he doesn't,

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Speaker 1: this is also his speakership on the line right here.

1388
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Speaker 1: So you know, he he's doing what he told the

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Speaker 1: House Freedom Caucus and the whole downs that he would

1390
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Speaker 1: do ultimately, and we'll see if he survives this, We'll

1391
01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:00,360
Speaker 1: see if the economy survives this, will see how this

1392
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Speaker 1: all works out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, good luck to him. I certainly

1394
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:05,800
Speaker 2: think that he's going to need it. And it fits

1395
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:08,800
Speaker 2: very well actually with President Biden. And his announcement for

1396
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 4: Yes, so we told you yesterday.

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Speaker 1: It looked like Biden was going to announce officially for

1399
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Speaker 1: his reelection today, and he did in fact do that

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Speaker 1: with what they're describing as a soft launch, putting out

1401
01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:26,280
Speaker 1: a video here announcing he is in fact running for reelection.

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Speaker 4: Let's take a listen to that.

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Speaker 10: Freedom. Personal freedom is fundamentally who are as Americans. There's

1404
01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:42,200
Speaker 10: nothing more important, nothing more sacred.

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Speaker 5: That's been the work of my first term to fight

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Speaker 5: for our.

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Speaker 10: Democracy, be sure to be a greater volution, to protect

1408
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Speaker 10: our rights, to make sure that everyone in this country

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Speaker 10: is treated equally and that everyone is given a fair

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Speaker 10: shot at making. But you know, around the country, Maggie,

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Speaker 10: extremists are lying enough to take on those bedrock freedoms,

1412
01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:01,680
Speaker 10: cutting Social Security that you paid for your entire life,

1413
01:03:01,720 --> 01:03:04,320
Speaker 10: while cutting taxes from the very wealthy, dictating what healthcare

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01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:05,240
Speaker 10: decisions women can.

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Speaker 8: Make, banning books, and telling people who they can love.

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Speaker 10: All I making is more difficult for you to be

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Speaker 10: able to vote. When I ran for president four years ago,

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Speaker 10: i said, we're in a battle for the soul of America.

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Speaker 5: And we still are.

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Speaker 10: The question fors pation is whether in the years ahead

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01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:29,440
Speaker 10: we have more freedom or less freedom, more rates or fewer.

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01:03:30,040 --> 01:03:31,360
Speaker 10: I know what I want to ask them to band.

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01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:32,000
Speaker 5: I think you do too.

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Speaker 10: This is not a time to be complacent. That's why

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01:03:38,440 --> 01:03:44,200
Speaker 10: I'm running for re election because I know America. I

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01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:46,720
Speaker 10: know we're good and decent people. I know we're still

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Speaker 10: come to the beliefs in honesty and respect and treating

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Speaker 10: each other with dignity. That were a nation where we

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Speaker 10: give hate, no safe hardware. We believe that everyone is equal,

1430
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Speaker 10: that everyone should be given a fair shallenge to succeed.

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Speaker 2: In this country.

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Speaker 10: Every generation of America is it's faced the moment when

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Speaker 10: they have to defend democracy, stand up for a personal freedom,

1434
01:04:07,080 --> 01:04:09,400
Speaker 10: stand up for the right to vote, in our civil rights.

1435
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Speaker 10: And this is our moment.

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Speaker 8: So if you're with me, how Joe Biden not classic,

1437
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Speaker 8: Let's phantasy this job. I know we can't because this

1438
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Speaker 8: is the United Space of her Here's nothing else.

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01:04:43,840 --> 01:04:44,960
Speaker 5: Nothing we cannot do for.

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Speaker 4: Let's finish the job sold America that stuff. Let me.

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Speaker 1: I have a lot to say about this. So, first

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Speaker 1: of all, do I think it's a good and clever

1443
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:00,520
Speaker 1: srategic ad?

1444
01:05:00,600 --> 01:05:00,960
Speaker 4: Yes, I do.

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01:05:01,240 --> 01:05:03,840
Speaker 1: This is all of the points that were effective for

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01:05:03,920 --> 01:05:09,640
Speaker 1: Democrats leading into the midterms. January sixth, Abortion extremism, protecting

1447
01:05:09,680 --> 01:05:14,120
Speaker 1: social Security and Medicare on the merits number one. None

1448
01:05:14,200 --> 01:05:17,480
Speaker 1: of these things are issues that you're actually pushing forward,

1449
01:05:17,800 --> 01:05:20,360
Speaker 1: like you're literally just saying, I'm going to protect the

1450
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:24,400
Speaker 1: status quo. Not even because it's not like he protected

1451
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:27,360
Speaker 1: abortion rights. It's just I'm going to make sure that

1452
01:05:27,480 --> 01:05:30,080
Speaker 1: the Republicans don't roll them back even further. It's not

1453
01:05:30,120 --> 01:05:33,160
Speaker 1: like they passed voting rights legislation. It's just, you know,

1454
01:05:33,240 --> 01:05:35,000
Speaker 1: I'm going to be here as a bulwark against the

1455
01:05:35,080 --> 01:05:37,360
Speaker 1: right on doing whatever they're going to do with regards

1456
01:05:37,360 --> 01:05:40,480
Speaker 1: to that. It's not I'm going to expand Social Security Medicare.

1457
01:05:40,600 --> 01:05:42,840
Speaker 1: It's just I'm going to make sure that they don't

1458
01:05:42,840 --> 01:05:45,120
Speaker 1: come in here and change it. So it is a

1459
01:05:45,240 --> 01:05:50,160
Speaker 1: status quo message where they are explicitly banking on that.

1460
01:05:50,240 --> 01:05:53,800
Speaker 1: The Republican agenda and Donald Trump very likely being the

1461
01:05:53,840 --> 01:05:58,320
Speaker 1: nominee is so distasteful that the American people will accept,

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01:05:58,840 --> 01:06:01,000
Speaker 1: let's just not have things get any worse.

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Speaker 4: That's the core of what this campaign pitch is.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, look, I think it's pathetic on several levels. So

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01:06:05,360 --> 01:06:07,760
Speaker 2: I also think it's smart. So is that possible to

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01:06:07,800 --> 01:06:11,240
Speaker 2: say that on the merits pathetic? Right here, we have

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Speaker 2: a sitting president of the United States or the greatest

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Speaker 2: bully pulpit known to the history of man, who could

1469
01:06:15,440 --> 01:06:18,240
Speaker 2: throw a massive Well, I guess theoretically should be able

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Speaker 2: to throw a massive rally, a titanic speech, a video,

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Speaker 2: kick it off, have some energy, have some people, thousands.

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Speaker 3: Of people who are there, people who are excited.

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Speaker 2: He releases a Twitter video at six am in the morning. Okay,

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01:06:32,640 --> 01:06:35,720
Speaker 2: to guess to lead the news. You know he succeeded.

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01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:38,440
Speaker 2: We are certainly covering it here. But also what Chrystal,

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Speaker 2: He's going to immediately to a donor event.

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Speaker 3: He's not doing anything.

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Speaker 2: Now, look again, I want to say I think it's smart,

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Speaker 2: and I think the reason why is Republican repealing of

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Speaker 2: abortion is so unpopular. All you have to do is

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Speaker 2: say I won't let that happen, or at least it's

1482
01:06:51,800 --> 01:06:54,080
Speaker 2: not going to happen under my watch. He hasn't promised

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01:06:54,160 --> 01:06:56,360
Speaker 2: us anything, so he almost can't fail. It's actually very

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01:06:56,360 --> 01:06:59,040
Speaker 2: difficult to fail. I won't touch your social security I'm

1485
01:06:59,040 --> 01:07:01,720
Speaker 2: not going to do anything it in the future or anything.

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01:07:01,760 --> 01:07:04,480
Speaker 2: But you know, also, I just won't touch it. There

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01:07:04,560 --> 01:07:06,600
Speaker 2: is a reason that he led and I also think

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01:07:06,640 --> 01:07:08,960
Speaker 2: it was brilliant framing personal freedom.

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Speaker 3: This is what people understand.

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01:07:10,320 --> 01:07:13,600
Speaker 2: Americans are freedom loving people, regardless of what a lot

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Speaker 2: of people think. One of the most salient messages on

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Speaker 2: abortion is really, I don't like being told what to do,

1493
01:07:18,360 --> 01:07:21,120
Speaker 2: and if you really think about so many methods of politics,

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01:07:21,120 --> 01:07:22,480
Speaker 2: this comes back to wokeism too.

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01:07:22,640 --> 01:07:24,120
Speaker 3: A lot of people are like, yeah, you're not going.

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Speaker 2: To tell me to not say Latino, Like, it's just

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Speaker 2: not going to happen, especially when I'm Latino. You're not

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Speaker 2: going to tell me which in how I get to speak,

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Speaker 2: or that my grandfather's a racist because he speaks in

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Speaker 2: a way that they used to in the nineteen sixties.

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01:07:37,280 --> 01:07:40,280
Speaker 2: Like it's you're not going to sit here and dictate

1502
01:07:40,360 --> 01:07:43,800
Speaker 2: the way I live my life. That also transfers well

1503
01:07:43,840 --> 01:07:45,960
Speaker 2: over to the abortion conversation. That's where a lot of

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01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:49,040
Speaker 2: Americans are specifically in a much more secular country than

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01:07:49,080 --> 01:07:51,600
Speaker 2: we had lived in even twenty years ago, let alone

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01:07:51,800 --> 01:07:55,320
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy three or whatever. Whenever Roe versus Weighed was

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01:07:55,360 --> 01:07:57,560
Speaker 2: originally passed, so I thought it was smart framing and

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01:07:57,600 --> 01:08:00,160
Speaker 2: then immediately pivot from that to social security. Here the

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01:08:00,200 --> 01:08:02,400
Speaker 2: other smart thing he didn't mention COVID. Most people are

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01:08:02,440 --> 01:08:04,320
Speaker 2: not happy with the way Joe Biden handled COVID. They

1511
01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:05,720
Speaker 2: kind of were at the time, but they think it

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01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:07,040
Speaker 2: all went mess good.

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Speaker 3: Don't talk about it. Yeah, but it's not a strength

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01:08:09,160 --> 01:08:09,520
Speaker 3: for you.

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Speaker 1: Nobody cares about COVID anymore. I mean, voters are not

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01:08:13,040 --> 01:08:16,040
Speaker 1: voting on COVID, agree, not in the Democratic Party, not

1517
01:08:16,120 --> 01:08:18,880
Speaker 1: in the probably, not in independence. So it's not like

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01:08:18,960 --> 01:08:21,200
Speaker 1: a top of mind issues. So it would be silly

1519
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Speaker 1: for him to talk about that.

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Speaker 3: As those I'm with you more.

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01:08:23,479 --> 01:08:25,519
Speaker 2: What I'm saying is he's not even trying the whole

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01:08:25,520 --> 01:08:28,200
Speaker 2: here's my accomplishments thing. He's not here like homery, vaccines

1523
01:08:28,320 --> 01:08:30,599
Speaker 2: or whatever I did with the American He's like, these

1524
01:08:30,600 --> 01:08:33,080
Speaker 2: are the two things I'm going to protect. They both

1525
01:08:33,120 --> 01:08:35,920
Speaker 2: poll around seventy percent. I'm not going to touch him.

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Speaker 2: airG vote for me now. Like I said, I think

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Speaker 2: that is a very sad place to be when that's

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Speaker 2: your only pitch.

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01:08:42,760 --> 01:08:43,800
Speaker 3: But I think it's a smart pick.

1530
01:08:43,920 --> 01:08:47,559
Speaker 1: Let me also say that while I agree with you,

1531
01:08:47,880 --> 01:08:52,479
Speaker 1: that there is wisdom in the strategy, given that, you know,

1532
01:08:52,800 --> 01:08:56,080
Speaker 1: number one, Joe Biden and his team are like ideologically

1533
01:08:56,080 --> 01:08:59,320
Speaker 1: opposed to actually doing anything real for the American people.

1534
01:08:59,760 --> 01:09:04,639
Speaker 1: And number two, the Republicans, especially on the issue of abortion,

1535
01:09:05,280 --> 01:09:09,719
Speaker 1: have become so extreme and the threat of some national

1536
01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:12,200
Speaker 1: abortion ban or something like that hangs so heavily over

1537
01:09:12,200 --> 01:09:14,960
Speaker 1: the American public, and that issue is so potent that

1538
01:09:15,120 --> 01:09:18,280
Speaker 1: I think leaning into that is, you know, is a savvy,

1539
01:09:18,400 --> 01:09:21,360
Speaker 1: intelligent move that has a track record of being effective.

1540
01:09:21,800 --> 01:09:23,920
Speaker 4: But there's also a real.

1541
01:09:23,840 --> 01:09:28,559
Speaker 1: Risk here because the bottom line still remains that people

1542
01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:31,280
Speaker 1: care a lot about whether or not they can feed

1543
01:09:31,320 --> 01:09:34,599
Speaker 1: their kids, about whether or not they're earning enough income

1544
01:09:34,680 --> 01:09:36,799
Speaker 1: that maybe one day, in a far.

1545
01:09:36,680 --> 01:09:38,759
Speaker 4: Off distant land, they might be able to buy a home.

1546
01:09:39,160 --> 01:09:41,680
Speaker 1: They care a lot about whether or not they can

1547
01:09:41,680 --> 01:09:44,840
Speaker 1: afford to go to a doctor when they're sick. And

1548
01:09:45,040 --> 01:09:48,280
Speaker 1: if you are taking all of that off the table,

1549
01:09:48,960 --> 01:09:52,680
Speaker 1: you are opening up a huge lane, especially at a

1550
01:09:52,720 --> 01:09:57,080
Speaker 1: time when you have so many Americans saying I'm struggling economically,

1551
01:09:57,200 --> 01:10:00,000
Speaker 1: I'm concerned about a recession. I think we may already

1552
01:10:00,160 --> 01:10:03,879
Speaker 1: be in a recession. Inflation is eating into my wages

1553
01:10:03,920 --> 01:10:06,320
Speaker 1: and making it so that every single month it.

1554
01:10:06,320 --> 01:10:08,200
Speaker 4: Is harder and harder to get by.

1555
01:10:08,840 --> 01:10:12,360
Speaker 1: So if you are not speaking to that whatsoever, I

1556
01:10:12,439 --> 01:10:15,160
Speaker 1: do think that that is a risky place to stand.

1557
01:10:15,439 --> 01:10:15,599
Speaker 5: Now.

1558
01:10:15,640 --> 01:10:18,639
Speaker 1: Given who Joe Biden is, perhaps this is the best

1559
01:10:18,680 --> 01:10:21,360
Speaker 1: case that he can muster. And that's why I say,

1560
01:10:21,360 --> 01:10:23,599
Speaker 1: you know, perhaps this is like there's some wisdom here

1561
01:10:23,640 --> 01:10:26,000
Speaker 1: to this approach, but I do think there is a

1562
01:10:26,040 --> 01:10:28,760
Speaker 1: real vulnerability. And the other thing that I have to

1563
01:10:28,880 --> 01:10:33,680
Speaker 1: say is that anytime I hear any of these freaking democrats,

1564
01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:38,360
Speaker 1: Joe Biden in particular, talk about democracy and how committed

1565
01:10:38,400 --> 01:10:42,519
Speaker 1: they are to preserving our democracy, and yet they are

1566
01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:47,600
Speaker 1: not even going to allow debates in a democratic primary

1567
01:10:47,920 --> 01:10:50,760
Speaker 1: when you have a seventy percent of the country is like,

1568
01:10:50,880 --> 01:10:53,160
Speaker 1: we don't want you to run, dude, we want to

1569
01:10:53,160 --> 01:10:54,559
Speaker 1: evaluate our options.

1570
01:10:54,600 --> 01:10:56,760
Speaker 4: And you are just completely shutting that off.

1571
01:10:57,320 --> 01:11:01,360
Speaker 1: And you aren't sitting for interviews, are doing press conferences,

1572
01:11:01,520 --> 01:11:06,200
Speaker 1: You're barely interacting with the press whatsoever. Spare me your

1573
01:11:06,280 --> 01:11:09,599
Speaker 1: rhetoric about how much you care about democracy, because your

1574
01:11:09,720 --> 01:11:11,800
Speaker 1: actions speak way louder.

1575
01:11:11,560 --> 01:11:12,800
Speaker 3: Than your words. Oh absolutely cool.

1576
01:11:12,800 --> 01:11:14,800
Speaker 2: Well, Chris, So you found this Washington Post article which

1577
01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:17,320
Speaker 2: actually highlights some of your vulnerabilities you're discussing.

1578
01:11:17,439 --> 01:11:21,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, So Washington Post interviewed a bunch of like committed

1579
01:11:21,600 --> 01:11:24,800
Speaker 1: Democratic voters. These are not like on the fence, independence whatever.

1580
01:11:24,840 --> 01:11:27,880
Speaker 1: These are people who voted for Joe Biden. Many of

1581
01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:30,479
Speaker 1: them were activists, They were knocking doors. Some of them

1582
01:11:30,520 --> 01:11:31,960
Speaker 1: are local party officials.

1583
01:11:32,040 --> 01:11:32,120
Speaker 3: Like.

1584
01:11:32,200 --> 01:11:36,519
Speaker 1: These are Team Blue people and they feel very like, eh,

1585
01:11:36,960 --> 01:11:39,040
Speaker 1: not sure about this with regards to Joe Biden. Put

1586
01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:41,360
Speaker 1: this up on the screen from the Washington Post is

1587
01:11:41,360 --> 01:11:44,200
Speaker 1: a long piece here. They say Democrats reluctant about Biden

1588
01:11:44,240 --> 01:11:46,840
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, but they see no other choice. Of course,

1589
01:11:46,880 --> 01:11:50,280
Speaker 1: the media make sure that they see no other choices.

1590
01:11:50,439 --> 01:11:52,759
Speaker 1: The subhead here is they are lukewarm about picking Biden

1591
01:11:52,760 --> 01:11:54,600
Speaker 1: as their nominee, but many believe he may be the

1592
01:11:54,640 --> 01:11:58,160
Speaker 1: best hope of preventing a second Trump term and fighting extremism.

1593
01:11:58,840 --> 01:12:01,360
Speaker 1: Let me go ahead and put some of the quotes

1594
01:12:01,520 --> 01:12:04,519
Speaker 1: here up so you can see what people were telling

1595
01:12:04,560 --> 01:12:08,320
Speaker 1: the Washington Post. And again, these are like Democratic Party activists,

1596
01:12:08,360 --> 01:12:11,840
Speaker 1: committed Democratic volunteers. Put this up on the screen. This

1597
01:12:11,880 --> 01:12:14,400
Speaker 1: first quote, they say, this is from Debbie Watson. She's

1598
01:12:14,400 --> 01:12:16,640
Speaker 1: a sixty six year old paralegal, and she is a

1599
01:12:16,680 --> 01:12:19,240
Speaker 1: Democratic Party volunteer. She said, I noticed in speeches when

1600
01:12:19,280 --> 01:12:21,559
Speaker 1: he gets off script and he starts to make mistakes.

1601
01:12:21,960 --> 01:12:23,200
Speaker 4: I'm worried about his health.

1602
01:12:23,240 --> 01:12:25,679
Speaker 1: And I don't know how much I like Vice President

1603
01:12:25,720 --> 01:12:29,679
Speaker 1: Kamala Harris if something happens to him. Put this next

1604
01:12:29,680 --> 01:12:33,120
Speaker 1: piece up on the screen, which underscores the vulnerable position

1605
01:12:33,160 --> 01:12:36,360
Speaker 1: that Biden is versus with regards to his own party

1606
01:12:36,760 --> 01:12:42,880
Speaker 1: versus previous Democratic presidents. Only thirty eight percent of the

1607
01:12:43,280 --> 01:12:48,599
Speaker 1: Democratic base, the Democratic base wants to renominate Joe Biden,

1608
01:12:48,720 --> 01:12:52,720
Speaker 1: fifty seven percent wants someone else. That compares to when

1609
01:12:52,720 --> 01:12:55,120
Speaker 1: it was Trump. Seventy three percent of Republicans wanted to

1610
01:12:55,120 --> 01:12:58,400
Speaker 1: renominate Trump, seventy five percent of Democrats wanted to renominate

1611
01:12:58,439 --> 01:13:01,400
Speaker 1: Obama back when it was Obama, and fifty percent of

1612
01:13:02,439 --> 01:13:07,479
Speaker 1: Democrats wanted to renominate Clinton. So even Bill Clinton amidst

1613
01:13:07,520 --> 01:13:11,439
Speaker 1: you know, scandal whatever, even he had a fifty percent

1614
01:13:11,520 --> 01:13:15,280
Speaker 1: majority rating, Biden significantly lower than that, and that comes

1615
01:13:15,280 --> 01:13:17,360
Speaker 1: out in these quotes. Let's put the next week one

1616
01:13:17,439 --> 01:13:19,920
Speaker 1: up on the screen. This is from a Fulton County

1617
01:13:19,920 --> 01:13:24,400
Speaker 1: Democratic Party leader and former mayoral candidate Dante Carter. He said,

1618
01:13:24,400 --> 01:13:27,280
Speaker 1: when activists tell you we're having a tough time getting

1619
01:13:27,320 --> 01:13:29,719
Speaker 1: people to the polls, it's because people are still pissed off.

1620
01:13:30,040 --> 01:13:32,720
Speaker 1: They're pissed off and asked the question, when are you

1621
01:13:32,720 --> 01:13:34,240
Speaker 1: going to do what you said you were going to do?

1622
01:13:34,720 --> 01:13:36,920
Speaker 1: How do I go back into these neighborhoods where I

1623
01:13:36,960 --> 01:13:39,240
Speaker 1: told folks that this time it was going to be different,

1624
01:13:39,479 --> 01:13:43,799
Speaker 1: And I don't have any receipts to show the difference.

1625
01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:49,080
Speaker 1: Next quote from a Democratic local Democratic committee woman. I

1626
01:13:49,080 --> 01:13:52,639
Speaker 1: think my view is like, I'm not opposed, I'm not excited. Well,

1627
01:13:52,680 --> 01:13:55,000
Speaker 1: I vote for him, absolutely, Well, I can't campaign for him,

1628
01:13:55,040 --> 01:13:57,599
Speaker 1: of course. Am I like thrilled? Am I like getting

1629
01:13:57,640 --> 01:13:58,519
Speaker 1: to see him run again?

1630
01:13:58,840 --> 01:13:58,920
Speaker 2: No?

1631
01:13:59,360 --> 01:14:02,679
Speaker 1: That was sh and Bodwin Raya, a local Democratic committee woman.

1632
01:14:02,880 --> 01:14:05,080
Speaker 1: And this last one from a college student is really

1633
01:14:05,120 --> 01:14:07,519
Speaker 1: something and this underscores what is a core concern here

1634
01:14:07,600 --> 01:14:11,000
Speaker 1: about his age and his capability of fulfilling the office

1635
01:14:11,000 --> 01:14:14,200
Speaker 1: of the presidency for another four years. Avery Burns says,

1636
01:14:15,400 --> 01:14:18,040
Speaker 1: I don't even know if he'll make it to twenty

1637
01:14:18,080 --> 01:14:21,880
Speaker 1: twenty four, Like he's just old, not even to be dark.

1638
01:14:21,960 --> 01:14:24,479
Speaker 1: I think president shouldn't be older than like seventy, your

1639
01:14:24,520 --> 01:14:29,040
Speaker 1: brain starts to go. So this is the enthusiasm for

1640
01:14:29,120 --> 01:14:33,320
Speaker 1: this re elect that you're seeing amongst the core committed

1641
01:14:33,400 --> 01:14:37,200
Speaker 1: Democratic base, volunteers, local party activists. You can only imagine

1642
01:14:37,200 --> 01:14:38,480
Speaker 1: how everybody else feels.

1643
01:14:38,160 --> 01:14:40,599
Speaker 2: Well, obviously, and also, look, it's never been more clear.

1644
01:14:40,720 --> 01:14:43,519
Speaker 2: Vote for Joe Biden is almost a fifty percent vote

1645
01:14:43,520 --> 01:14:45,559
Speaker 2: for maybe not even fifty percent if you're looking at

1646
01:14:45,600 --> 01:14:48,240
Speaker 2: an actuar aial table, considering his age, considering the amount

1647
01:14:48,240 --> 01:14:50,360
Speaker 2: of stress that he's under, it could actually be more. Again,

1648
01:14:50,439 --> 01:14:53,200
Speaker 2: not to be morbid, but listen, it's at least a

1649
01:14:53,200 --> 01:14:56,759
Speaker 2: fifty percent vote for Kamala Harris for a second term.

1650
01:14:57,360 --> 01:15:01,719
Speaker 2: Remember this January twenty twenty nine be on the verge

1651
01:15:01,840 --> 01:15:05,759
Speaker 2: of his eighty seventh birthday. I think people really need

1652
01:15:05,920 --> 01:15:09,760
Speaker 2: to understand that for context, Diane Feinstein went senile right

1653
01:15:09,840 --> 01:15:13,439
Speaker 2: around I don't know eighty five, a year before he

1654
01:15:13,479 --> 01:15:16,760
Speaker 2: would be finished up as president. So that is a

1655
01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:20,479
Speaker 2: very real possible. That's if he lives to see the end. Now, Listen,

1656
01:15:20,520 --> 01:15:22,599
Speaker 2: I hope he does. I hope he lives a very

1657
01:15:22,680 --> 01:15:25,840
Speaker 2: long and a healthy life. My own grandfather's ninety one

1658
01:15:25,920 --> 01:15:28,600
Speaker 2: years old and he's doing great. Actually, all my grandparents

1659
01:15:28,600 --> 01:15:30,640
Speaker 2: are over ninety, which is crazy, and that's awesome. You know,

1660
01:15:30,680 --> 01:15:33,480
Speaker 2: none of them have to mention it's certainly possible, but statistically,

1661
01:15:33,920 --> 01:15:36,880
Speaker 2: nobody's a fool about what could happen here, ye at

1662
01:15:36,920 --> 01:15:40,320
Speaker 2: any moment, and they are all retired, they're not in

1663
01:15:40,360 --> 01:15:43,120
Speaker 2: the most stressful job on earth. Yeah, that's one of

1664
01:15:43,160 --> 01:15:45,599
Speaker 2: those where you really got to consider what you're signing

1665
01:15:45,680 --> 01:15:46,400
Speaker 2: somebody up for.

1666
01:15:46,760 --> 01:15:49,240
Speaker 3: And the media wants you to think this is ageist.

1667
01:15:48,880 --> 01:15:51,800
Speaker 2: And gross to talk about. I'm sorry, like, we're paying

1668
01:15:51,840 --> 01:15:55,200
Speaker 2: your salary. You're responsible for the world's nuclear arsenal. This

1669
01:15:55,280 --> 01:15:57,719
Speaker 2: is not a joke here. Let's not like, let grandpa

1670
01:15:57,760 --> 01:16:00,840
Speaker 2: be ceo emeritis. Yes, I feel like he has a

1671
01:16:00,840 --> 01:16:02,160
Speaker 2: little bit of responsibility.

1672
01:16:02,360 --> 01:16:06,679
Speaker 1: Joe Biden's vulnerabilities here are so great that really the

1673
01:16:06,760 --> 01:16:09,880
Speaker 1: only thing that is saving him, even in terms of

1674
01:16:09,880 --> 01:16:13,640
Speaker 1: the Democratic nomination is a collusion between the media and

1675
01:16:13,680 --> 01:16:16,559
Speaker 1: the Biden campaign to convince voters that there are really

1676
01:16:16,600 --> 01:16:19,439
Speaker 1: no other options. In this article, they have that same

1677
01:16:19,479 --> 01:16:22,519
Speaker 1: standard line. No serious primary contenders don't even mention the

1678
01:16:22,560 --> 01:16:25,280
Speaker 1: fact that there are in fact two declared candidates who

1679
01:16:25,320 --> 01:16:28,080
Speaker 1: have national profiles, who are polling higher than most of

1680
01:16:28,120 --> 01:16:29,880
Speaker 1: the Republicans who are in the field, who they very

1681
01:16:29,920 --> 01:16:33,160
Speaker 1: much considered to be serious candidates. They have to make

1682
01:16:33,200 --> 01:16:38,679
Speaker 1: sure that those alternatives are completely smeared, dismissed, invisibilized, etc.

1683
01:16:39,400 --> 01:16:43,680
Speaker 1: Because the vulnerabilities here are quite real. Now it is

1684
01:16:43,720 --> 01:16:46,960
Speaker 1: always look, he's an incumbent president that's difficult to unseat,

1685
01:16:47,000 --> 01:16:49,759
Speaker 1: and certainly in a primary, even in a general election.

1686
01:16:50,200 --> 01:16:53,639
Speaker 1: But this is also an extraordinary set of circumstances when

1687
01:16:53,680 --> 01:16:58,280
Speaker 1: you have an overwhelming majority of Democrats in virtually every poll, Like, no,

1688
01:16:58,760 --> 01:17:00,880
Speaker 1: for real, we want to go in a different direction

1689
01:17:01,360 --> 01:17:03,400
Speaker 1: because we don't know that this guy's going to make it,

1690
01:17:03,439 --> 01:17:05,040
Speaker 1: and we really don't want to be stuck with Kabla

1691
01:17:05,080 --> 01:17:08,920
Speaker 1: harris An. That is a unique, like historically unique set

1692
01:17:08,920 --> 01:17:10,200
Speaker 1: of circumstances that they're facing.

1693
01:17:10,360 --> 01:17:13,240
Speaker 2: I believe a Kamala presidency would plunge the world into war.

1694
01:17:13,640 --> 01:17:15,400
Speaker 3: I'm not being hyperbolic, I do not.

1695
01:17:15,920 --> 01:17:18,320
Speaker 2: I think she might be one of the most irresponsible

1696
01:17:18,760 --> 01:17:22,519
Speaker 2: least not even about quo leave alone like qualifications on paper,

1697
01:17:22,760 --> 01:17:25,679
Speaker 2: she has shown us very clearly not a good steward

1698
01:17:25,720 --> 01:17:28,960
Speaker 2: of the nation, not a good politician, unable to connect

1699
01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:33,160
Speaker 2: with people, bad decision making, bad staff turnover. It would

1700
01:17:33,200 --> 01:17:36,000
Speaker 2: be like Andrew Johnson two point zero. I think it

1701
01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:38,240
Speaker 2: would be a complete nightmare for.

1702
01:17:38,400 --> 01:17:40,160
Speaker 4: I think it's very scary and people shouldn't.

1703
01:17:40,200 --> 01:17:44,439
Speaker 2: People should really think about that before they cast their vote. Okay,

1704
01:17:44,479 --> 01:17:47,400
Speaker 2: let's go ahead and we'll talk about Anthony Blincoln.

1705
01:17:47,439 --> 01:17:49,559
Speaker 3: This was a big story we wanted to cover earlier.

1706
01:17:49,560 --> 01:17:51,960
Speaker 2: Obviously there's been a lot going on, but it's still

1707
01:17:52,040 --> 01:17:56,160
Speaker 2: very important. We will recall that letter that was orchestrated

1708
01:17:56,200 --> 01:17:58,960
Speaker 2: by the Biden campaign, which we found out a little

1709
01:17:58,960 --> 01:18:01,679
Speaker 2: while ago, that came out during the twenty twenty election,

1710
01:18:02,160 --> 01:18:06,280
Speaker 2: in which multiple former members of the CIA, the FBI,

1711
01:18:06,400 --> 01:18:09,840
Speaker 2: the intelligence community came out and said that the Hunter

1712
01:18:09,920 --> 01:18:14,800
Speaker 2: Biden laptop had all the hallmarks of Russian disinformation. This

1713
01:18:14,960 --> 01:18:16,880
Speaker 2: was a sign letter that was distributed to the press.

1714
01:18:16,920 --> 01:18:19,600
Speaker 2: It was then reported by the press, specifically Politico and

1715
01:18:19,640 --> 01:18:22,240
Speaker 2: several other outlets that spread it out. There the idea

1716
01:18:22,400 --> 01:18:25,160
Speaker 2: that the true Hunter Biden laptop was in some way

1717
01:18:25,320 --> 01:18:28,880
Speaker 2: Russian propaganda airgo Why NPR and other outlets did not

1718
01:18:29,000 --> 01:18:31,200
Speaker 2: need to cover said Hunter Biden laptop.

1719
01:18:31,400 --> 01:18:33,400
Speaker 3: What we now know though, via.

1720
01:18:33,320 --> 01:18:35,640
Speaker 2: A release from the House Judiciary Committee in Fox News.

1721
01:18:35,720 --> 01:18:37,080
Speaker 2: Let's go and put this up there on the screen,

1722
01:18:37,439 --> 01:18:41,760
Speaker 2: is that the Biden campaign and specifically now Secretary of

1723
01:18:41,840 --> 01:18:47,320
Speaker 2: State Anthony Blincoln, actually played a role in the inception

1724
01:18:47,560 --> 01:18:53,760
Speaker 2: of that public statement, soliciting and organizing former CIA intelligence

1725
01:18:53,800 --> 01:18:57,759
Speaker 2: officials and others to sign this letter fifty one former

1726
01:18:57,760 --> 01:19:01,599
Speaker 2: intelligence officers that falsely did credited the New York Post

1727
01:19:01,680 --> 01:19:05,360
Speaker 2: story and the very least influenced the way that the

1728
01:19:05,400 --> 01:19:08,960
Speaker 2: public thought about what at the undeniably.

1729
01:19:08,439 --> 01:19:09,120
Speaker 3: Was a story.

1730
01:19:09,120 --> 01:19:10,760
Speaker 2: Now it was the most important story, was the most

1731
01:19:10,800 --> 01:19:12,640
Speaker 2: important issue in the country. No, but I mean it

1732
01:19:12,640 --> 01:19:15,280
Speaker 2: did certainly show corruption at the highest level for the

1733
01:19:15,320 --> 01:19:18,400
Speaker 2: president's son and possibly links that remained to be investigated

1734
01:19:18,400 --> 01:19:21,320
Speaker 2: around President Biden and his own financial connection to his son,

1735
01:19:21,360 --> 01:19:23,479
Speaker 2: who certainly was going through personal struggles.

1736
01:19:23,479 --> 01:19:24,639
Speaker 3: But the personal struggles on at the.

1737
01:19:24,560 --> 01:19:27,960
Speaker 2: Point the exploitation of the Biden name to print hundreds

1738
01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:31,040
Speaker 2: of thousands of dollars a month is the actual point

1739
01:19:31,080 --> 01:19:31,639
Speaker 2: of the story.

1740
01:19:31,840 --> 01:19:33,519
Speaker 3: Now you put that all together and you.

1741
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Speaker 2: Were seeing, basically this is the equivalent of like if

1742
01:19:37,320 --> 01:19:40,520
Speaker 2: Hillary had won the presidency and the guy who organized

1743
01:19:40,560 --> 01:19:44,120
Speaker 2: the Steele dossier became one of the most powerful people.

1744
01:19:44,120 --> 01:19:46,720
Speaker 3: In the United State, the Secretary of the State. Let's

1745
01:19:46,720 --> 01:19:47,679
Speaker 3: put this up there on the screen.

1746
01:19:47,920 --> 01:19:50,840
Speaker 2: And you know, now, the State Department says they have

1747
01:19:50,960 --> 01:19:53,680
Speaker 2: no comment, zero comment on arranging.

1748
01:19:53,280 --> 01:19:54,760
Speaker 3: The spies who lie letter.

1749
01:19:54,800 --> 01:19:57,600
Speaker 2: They're just simply leaving and letting it just completely go

1750
01:19:57,720 --> 01:19:59,880
Speaker 2: by the wayside. I mean, I think this is to

1751
01:20:00,120 --> 01:20:05,479
Speaker 2: only crazy because again, this is not even a deniable fact.

1752
01:20:05,800 --> 01:20:11,280
Speaker 2: This EXCIA director Michael Morrell testified to the House Judiciary

1753
01:20:11,320 --> 01:20:15,400
Speaker 2: Committee straight up that Anthony Blincoln was the person who

1754
01:20:15,520 --> 01:20:19,519
Speaker 2: organized this. This isn't you know, like it's it's straight

1755
01:20:19,560 --> 01:20:21,920
Speaker 2: from the horse's mouth. One of the people who signed

1756
01:20:21,920 --> 01:20:24,439
Speaker 2: the letter, who also happened to work for President Obama

1757
01:20:24,479 --> 01:20:26,240
Speaker 2: just so people know, and also coincidentally was the guy

1758
01:20:26,240 --> 01:20:28,000
Speaker 2: who briefed Bush about nine to eleven on the day

1759
01:20:28,000 --> 01:20:30,200
Speaker 2: of nine to eleven, which is pretty crazy. So you

1760
01:20:30,240 --> 01:20:32,400
Speaker 2: put that all together, you've got a deep state gohoule

1761
01:20:32,520 --> 01:20:35,639
Speaker 2: who has been deep inside the system for a long time,

1762
01:20:36,439 --> 01:20:38,640
Speaker 2: who was one of these people, who is he is

1763
01:20:38,680 --> 01:20:41,400
Speaker 2: even throwing Anthony Blincoln under the bus, and the State

1764
01:20:41,439 --> 01:20:45,280
Speaker 2: Department Crystal has no comment. I mean, this is we're

1765
01:20:45,280 --> 01:20:47,240
Speaker 2: not saying it's the most important story, but it's a

1766
01:20:47,280 --> 01:20:50,160
Speaker 2: media story in that the only person who asks are

1767
01:20:50,200 --> 01:20:53,000
Speaker 2: the New York Posts and Fox News. It's only they're

1768
01:20:53,040 --> 01:20:55,599
Speaker 2: the only people who cover this. This is not even partisan.

1769
01:20:55,880 --> 01:20:58,960
Speaker 2: This is just straight up insanity. I mean, you're organizing

1770
01:20:59,400 --> 01:21:02,320
Speaker 2: a false letter. You need to apologize. You need to

1771
01:21:02,360 --> 01:21:04,200
Speaker 2: explain to people why did you do that?

1772
01:21:04,640 --> 01:21:06,519
Speaker 3: What about now? Do you stand by that letter?

1773
01:21:07,240 --> 01:21:09,559
Speaker 2: What were you doing in your capacity as then a

1774
01:21:09,840 --> 01:21:12,679
Speaker 2: chief form policy advisor to the Joe Biden campaign.

1775
01:21:13,360 --> 01:21:15,920
Speaker 1: I think the thing that bothers me the most is

1776
01:21:16,240 --> 01:21:18,880
Speaker 1: they feel no shame about it. They feel they don't

1777
01:21:18,880 --> 01:21:21,799
Speaker 1: feel pressure to even have to comment about it, certainly

1778
01:21:21,840 --> 01:21:24,880
Speaker 1: not to apologize about it, because they know that the

1779
01:21:24,920 --> 01:21:27,280
Speaker 1: media won't cover it. That'll only get picked up in

1780
01:21:28,520 --> 01:21:32,360
Speaker 1: right leaning news outlets. It'll be all fed through like

1781
01:21:32,400 --> 01:21:35,080
Speaker 1: a partisan lens. To the extent that the MSNBC or

1782
01:21:35,160 --> 01:21:37,240
Speaker 1: New York Times World even knows that any of this

1783
01:21:37,280 --> 01:21:39,240
Speaker 1: is happening, which is probably they don't know about it

1784
01:21:39,280 --> 01:21:42,920
Speaker 1: at all. And so yeah, they get caught right handed,

1785
01:21:43,040 --> 01:21:45,720
Speaker 1: and they don't even feel a sense of shame to

1786
01:21:45,800 --> 01:21:46,599
Speaker 1: have to say.

1787
01:21:46,400 --> 01:21:47,320
Speaker 4: A word about it.

1788
01:21:47,640 --> 01:21:51,639
Speaker 1: That's what maybe bothers me the most about this whole thing,

1789
01:21:52,080 --> 01:21:54,800
Speaker 1: and it didn't take a rocket scientist. At the time,

1790
01:21:54,920 --> 01:21:57,880
Speaker 1: it was so obvious that this was all total and

1791
01:21:57,960 --> 01:21:58,959
Speaker 1: complete bullshit.

1792
01:21:59,360 --> 01:22:00,240
Speaker 4: They didn't offer.

1793
01:22:00,280 --> 01:22:04,400
Speaker 1: Any evidence that this was quote unquote Russian disinformation. Bears

1794
01:22:04,439 --> 01:22:08,040
Speaker 1: all the hallmarks of Russian disinformation. Oh really, okay, well

1795
01:22:08,040 --> 01:22:10,559
Speaker 1: give me some proof. I don't need hallmarks, I don't

1796
01:22:10,600 --> 01:22:13,880
Speaker 1: need a Christmas card. I need some proof. And to

1797
01:22:13,960 --> 01:22:17,400
Speaker 1: the contrary, what we really had from the Biden campaign

1798
01:22:17,439 --> 01:22:20,360
Speaker 1: was effectively in an admission because they didn't deny that

1799
01:22:20,400 --> 01:22:21,400
Speaker 1: the contents were real.

1800
01:22:21,560 --> 01:22:23,280
Speaker 4: They didn't offer to the press even.

1801
01:22:23,120 --> 01:22:26,400
Speaker 1: A single email, a photo, or anything that had been altered.

1802
01:22:26,800 --> 01:22:31,000
Speaker 1: It was very clear that this, overwhelmingly more likely than not,

1803
01:22:31,280 --> 01:22:34,639
Speaker 1: was legitimately his laptop, and that it got obtained through

1804
01:22:34,680 --> 01:22:35,960
Speaker 1: sketchy circumstances.

1805
01:22:36,000 --> 01:22:36,639
Speaker 4: Who cares?

1806
01:22:36,960 --> 01:22:41,519
Speaker 1: Who cares all kinds of journalistically relevant information comes from

1807
01:22:41,520 --> 01:22:42,519
Speaker 1: sketchy sources.

1808
01:22:42,640 --> 01:22:43,599
Speaker 4: That does not matter.

1809
01:22:43,800 --> 01:22:45,479
Speaker 2: Three hours into it, I knew it was true. You

1810
01:22:45,560 --> 01:22:46,880
Speaker 2: know why, because they hadn't denied it.

1811
01:22:46,960 --> 01:22:47,120
Speaker 3: Yes.

1812
01:22:47,320 --> 01:22:50,439
Speaker 2: Simple, It's like if somebody put something out and said

1813
01:22:50,439 --> 01:22:52,280
Speaker 2: this came for your laptop, wasn't from my laptop, I'd

1814
01:22:52,280 --> 01:22:53,920
Speaker 2: be like, that's not form my laptop. If it was

1815
01:22:53,920 --> 01:22:55,640
Speaker 2: for my laptop. I'd probably just be like, yeah, you

1816
01:22:55,680 --> 01:22:57,000
Speaker 2: got me, it's from my laptop.

1817
01:22:56,680 --> 01:22:57,160
Speaker 4: But you know it.

1818
01:22:57,760 --> 01:23:01,280
Speaker 3: But what he decided to do is just stay completely silent.

1819
01:23:01,479 --> 01:23:01,960
Speaker 3: That's it.

1820
01:23:02,000 --> 01:23:04,840
Speaker 2: Three hours in it was over. It was like, Okay,

1821
01:23:04,840 --> 01:23:07,280
Speaker 2: it's obviously real. It does not take a genius to

1822
01:23:07,280 --> 01:23:07,680
Speaker 2: figure out.

1823
01:23:07,800 --> 01:23:09,120
Speaker 4: And by the way, the rest of the media knows

1824
01:23:09,120 --> 01:23:09,639
Speaker 4: how this works.

1825
01:23:09,760 --> 01:23:13,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're not stupid. They deal with this more than

1826
01:23:13,080 --> 01:23:15,200
Speaker 1: we do. Where they're trying to get you know, things

1827
01:23:15,240 --> 01:23:20,440
Speaker 1: confirmed or whatever. And if the government officials don't immediately

1828
01:23:20,479 --> 01:23:22,720
Speaker 1: wave you off and give you like, no, here is

1829
01:23:22,800 --> 01:23:25,639
Speaker 1: proof that this is not accurate, then it's probably true,

1830
01:23:25,760 --> 01:23:28,240
Speaker 1: probably true. And now can you like definitively run with

1831
01:23:28,280 --> 01:23:31,360
Speaker 1: it and say conclusively one no, but can you in

1832
01:23:31,400 --> 01:23:34,080
Speaker 1: your mind be like, yeah, that thing is probably true.

1833
01:23:33,880 --> 01:23:36,559
Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, And then you can say, well, he didn't

1834
01:23:36,600 --> 01:23:39,599
Speaker 2: deny it a laptop purporting to belong to Hunter Biden,

1835
01:23:39,640 --> 01:23:40,840
Speaker 2: of which he has no comment on.

1836
01:23:41,040 --> 01:23:43,839
Speaker 3: You decide what exactly it means.

1837
01:23:43,680 --> 01:23:48,280
Speaker 4: For that, all right, sago, what are you're looking at?

1838
01:23:48,439 --> 01:23:50,240
Speaker 2: So much of the hype around cable news and its

1839
01:23:50,240 --> 01:23:52,880
Speaker 2: hopeful demise given recent events is a reminder of why

1840
01:23:52,920 --> 01:23:56,240
Speaker 2: their demise is so important because their active propaganda work

1841
01:23:56,280 --> 01:23:59,360
Speaker 2: to keep half the country and keep it dumber less

1842
01:23:59,360 --> 01:24:02,040
Speaker 2: informed during some of the most critical times in modern

1843
01:24:02,080 --> 01:24:04,599
Speaker 2: American history. Now, as I've always said, what cable news

1844
01:24:04,640 --> 01:24:07,040
Speaker 2: chooses not to show you is far more important than

1845
01:24:07,080 --> 01:24:10,040
Speaker 2: what they do show you. Selection bias is half the battle,

1846
01:24:10,040 --> 01:24:12,960
Speaker 2: as anyone who's ever looked at any scientific research actually knows.

1847
01:24:13,200 --> 01:24:15,240
Speaker 2: Perhaps no area of this was more glaring than that

1848
01:24:15,280 --> 01:24:17,280
Speaker 2: of the lab leak theory. I know it has been

1849
01:24:17,400 --> 01:24:19,760
Speaker 2: years now at this point, but I cannot believe that

1850
01:24:19,800 --> 01:24:22,719
Speaker 2: a single cable news channel outside of Fox, which only

1851
01:24:22,720 --> 01:24:25,720
Speaker 2: told about one twenty fifth of the story, is ignoring

1852
01:24:25,760 --> 01:24:28,559
Speaker 2: this new report from the Senate Health Committee, which, in

1853
01:24:28,640 --> 01:24:31,679
Speaker 2: my opinion, basically solves once and for all the question

1854
01:24:31,720 --> 01:24:34,240
Speaker 2: of whether COVID leaked from the lab. This three hundred

1855
01:24:34,280 --> 01:24:36,240
Speaker 2: and two page report, which has been in the works

1856
01:24:36,280 --> 01:24:38,880
Speaker 2: for almost two years, was made public a few days ago.

1857
01:24:39,200 --> 01:24:42,479
Speaker 2: The details compiled together are absolutely damning. I encourage you

1858
01:24:42,520 --> 01:24:44,240
Speaker 2: all to go read it for yourself. Let's make our

1859
01:24:44,280 --> 01:24:46,560
Speaker 2: way through the report and the most important new details.

1860
01:24:46,760 --> 01:24:48,000
Speaker 3: Number One, an.

1861
01:24:47,840 --> 01:24:52,280
Speaker 2: Epidemiological look at COVID and its emergence in the city

1862
01:24:52,280 --> 01:24:55,880
Speaker 2: of Wuhan. Sometime in late October twenty nineteen, According to

1863
01:24:55,960 --> 01:24:58,760
Speaker 2: China's own data that it provided the WHO and a

1864
01:24:58,800 --> 01:25:02,280
Speaker 2: new review, a large spike of quote adult like influenza

1865
01:25:02,360 --> 01:25:06,679
Speaker 2: symptoms began spreading across the city in November twenty nineteen.

1866
01:25:06,920 --> 01:25:10,719
Speaker 2: The spike was accompanied by negative tests internally for any

1867
01:25:10,840 --> 01:25:14,920
Speaker 2: known type of said influenza, despite thousands of cases spreading

1868
01:25:14,960 --> 01:25:17,960
Speaker 2: across the city and all of China. The committee gained

1869
01:25:18,000 --> 01:25:22,160
Speaker 2: access to unpublished reports inside China would show official Chinese

1870
01:25:22,160 --> 01:25:26,120
Speaker 2: CDC records who even identify a person in Hubei Province

1871
01:25:26,360 --> 01:25:31,160
Speaker 2: contracting confirm COVID November seventeen, twenty nineteen, weeks before China

1872
01:25:31,200 --> 01:25:33,839
Speaker 2: warned the world about COVID, and of course shows deception

1873
01:25:34,120 --> 01:25:38,680
Speaker 2: from day one. More So, the Committee dedicated major resources

1874
01:25:38,720 --> 01:25:41,760
Speaker 2: to looking at a natural origin hypothesis of COVID and

1875
01:25:41,840 --> 01:25:46,200
Speaker 2: systematically dismantling any credibility for it. The Committee notes that

1876
01:25:46,240 --> 01:25:50,519
Speaker 2: in almost every single recent natural zoonotic spillover, there has

1877
01:25:50,560 --> 01:25:53,559
Speaker 2: been evidence left behind in animal samples to see the

1878
01:25:53,640 --> 01:25:57,839
Speaker 2: exact evolution of the disease. That includes the original stars virus,

1879
01:25:57,920 --> 01:25:59,800
Speaker 2: which showed a clear and a credible jump from a

1880
01:26:00,280 --> 01:26:03,400
Speaker 2: civit cat over to an intermediate species to humans, and

1881
01:26:03,439 --> 01:26:06,200
Speaker 2: if the wet market theory were true, scientists would have

1882
01:26:06,280 --> 01:26:08,879
Speaker 2: to show not only the prevalence of COVID and animals

1883
01:26:08,880 --> 01:26:10,920
Speaker 2: at the market or samples, but they would have to

1884
01:26:10,960 --> 01:26:12,559
Speaker 2: show how COVID got there.

1885
01:26:12,560 --> 01:26:15,240
Speaker 3: And how it morphed right from there to humans.

1886
01:26:15,439 --> 01:26:19,120
Speaker 2: The committee notes the China's CDC shows it collected thirteen

1887
01:26:19,240 --> 01:26:21,960
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty samples from the Wuhan met market in

1888
01:26:21,960 --> 01:26:25,479
Speaker 2: twenty twenty, so well after COVID was swamping the entire

1889
01:26:25,479 --> 01:26:29,080
Speaker 2: city of Wuhan, and even then, not one sample from

1890
01:26:29,080 --> 01:26:32,000
Speaker 2: that market tested positive for sarscob two. In fact, the

1891
01:26:32,040 --> 01:26:34,080
Speaker 2: only traces of sarscob two that was found at the

1892
01:26:34,080 --> 01:26:36,479
Speaker 2: market were the exact same strain found.

1893
01:26:36,240 --> 01:26:38,720
Speaker 3: In humans at the time, indicating.

1894
01:26:38,400 --> 01:26:40,839
Speaker 2: It was the humans who brought the virus to the market,

1895
01:26:41,000 --> 01:26:44,320
Speaker 2: not vice versa. It's important to establish a few things. One,

1896
01:26:44,479 --> 01:26:46,240
Speaker 2: we know all of this.

1897
01:26:46,240 --> 01:26:50,120
Speaker 3: This COVID was all over Wuhan by mid November, not.

1898
01:26:50,040 --> 01:26:53,479
Speaker 2: Just Wuhan, but confirmed cases all over China, according to

1899
01:26:53,600 --> 01:26:55,080
Speaker 2: internal Chinese communications.

1900
01:26:55,240 --> 01:26:57,240
Speaker 3: Second, even samples from the.

1901
01:26:57,280 --> 01:27:00,000
Speaker 2: Lab wet market months after the spread didn't even show

1902
01:27:00,040 --> 01:27:03,000
Speaker 2: zh COVID inside of these animals. Ergo, we can say

1903
01:27:03,000 --> 01:27:05,600
Speaker 2: with confidence the timeline from China and its theory of

1904
01:27:05,640 --> 01:27:09,439
Speaker 2: spread absolutely wrong, not correct. So then what about the

1905
01:27:09,520 --> 01:27:12,120
Speaker 2: lab here? We will tread again on obvious ground. The

1906
01:27:12,160 --> 01:27:16,120
Speaker 2: Wuhan lab was cited for safety violations No. Twenty eighteen

1907
01:27:16,320 --> 01:27:19,200
Speaker 2: by an internal US Department of State cable and actually

1908
01:27:19,200 --> 01:27:21,960
Speaker 2: the committee found a warning from March of twenty nineteen.

1909
01:27:22,120 --> 01:27:25,599
Speaker 2: Listen to this China's own CDC director who warned this

1910
01:27:26,000 --> 01:27:30,639
Speaker 2: March twenty nineteen quote a potential major risk stems from

1911
01:27:30,680 --> 01:27:35,000
Speaker 2: stocks of concentrated infectious pathogens stored in laboratories and the

1912
01:27:35,040 --> 01:27:40,360
Speaker 2: absence of adequate biosecurity measures. Non compliance of approved biocontainment

1913
01:27:40,360 --> 01:27:44,360
Speaker 2: and biosafety protocols could result in the accidental or deliberate

1914
01:27:44,400 --> 01:27:48,840
Speaker 2: release of pathogens in the environment. Anetic modification of pathogens,

1915
01:27:48,920 --> 01:27:52,600
Speaker 2: which may expand host range as well as increase transmission

1916
01:27:52,640 --> 01:27:56,600
Speaker 2: and virulence, may result in new risks for epidemics. Specifically,

1917
01:27:56,640 --> 01:28:01,160
Speaker 2: synthetic bat origin stars like coronaviruses in acquired an increased

1918
01:28:01,200 --> 01:28:04,280
Speaker 2: capability to infect human cells.

1919
01:28:04,400 --> 01:28:05,960
Speaker 3: So yes, you heard that correctly.

1920
01:28:06,160 --> 01:28:08,960
Speaker 2: Months before COVID leaked from the lab China's own CDC

1921
01:28:09,080 --> 01:28:12,479
Speaker 2: director warned of a potential lab leak for genetically modified

1922
01:28:12,520 --> 01:28:17,320
Speaker 2: back coronaviruses with had the ability to more infect human cells. Worse,

1923
01:28:17,520 --> 01:28:21,200
Speaker 2: the committee's review found the Wuhan Lab was conducting years

1924
01:28:21,240 --> 01:28:25,200
Speaker 2: long research on genetically enhanced back coronaviruses with an inappropriate

1925
01:28:25,280 --> 01:28:28,240
Speaker 2: level of safety at the lab, violating US guidelines for

1926
01:28:28,280 --> 01:28:30,160
Speaker 2: the way it should have been done here and raising

1927
01:28:30,240 --> 01:28:32,559
Speaker 2: questions again as to why doctor Vauci and the Eco

1928
01:28:32,600 --> 01:28:34,479
Speaker 2: Health Alliance were funding it in the first place.

1929
01:28:34,720 --> 01:28:36,479
Speaker 3: Then there is even more evidence, as.

1930
01:28:36,320 --> 01:28:39,120
Speaker 2: We know the Wuhan Lab took down any record of

1931
01:28:39,160 --> 01:28:41,920
Speaker 2: the samples that they were studying in late September twenty nineteen,

1932
01:28:42,240 --> 01:28:45,040
Speaker 2: only to vanish them for all time. It is presumed

1933
01:28:45,040 --> 01:28:47,679
Speaker 2: that this sample list would guarantee to show stars Kobe two.

1934
01:28:47,920 --> 01:28:51,479
Speaker 2: More interesting is the committee's revelation that Chinese officials in

1935
01:28:51,520 --> 01:28:55,439
Speaker 2: November twenty nineteen miraculously were able to begin production and

1936
01:28:55,479 --> 01:28:58,639
Speaker 2: research of a vaccine against stars Kobe two. The report

1937
01:28:58,680 --> 01:29:01,760
Speaker 2: finds something astonishing. The only way that a patent on

1938
01:29:01,800 --> 01:29:04,880
Speaker 2: the original Chinese vaccine for COVID would make any sense

1939
01:29:05,120 --> 01:29:08,000
Speaker 2: is if they had begun development of the vaccine before

1940
01:29:08,040 --> 01:29:11,800
Speaker 2: the first acknowledged outbreak of COVID, so otherwise they it

1941
01:29:11,840 --> 01:29:15,479
Speaker 2: was impossible then for a begun vaccine production without having

1942
01:29:15,560 --> 01:29:18,160
Speaker 2: access to the sample itself. So when you put it

1943
01:29:18,200 --> 01:29:21,080
Speaker 2: all together, what do you find in the conclusion for

1944
01:29:21,160 --> 01:29:24,240
Speaker 2: lab leak? Is this one the fact that China is

1945
01:29:24,320 --> 01:29:27,800
Speaker 2: hiding records that can prove this definitively. Two that there

1946
01:29:27,880 --> 01:29:31,120
Speaker 2: is a zoonotic origin for past viruses like cars three

1947
01:29:31,360 --> 01:29:34,879
Speaker 2: back coronaviruses exist in nature. Four there have been pandemics

1948
01:29:34,880 --> 01:29:37,240
Speaker 2: sparked by wet markets in the past. And five yes,

1949
01:29:37,280 --> 01:29:39,840
Speaker 2: that wet market in particular was maintained in bad conditions.

1950
01:29:39,920 --> 01:29:42,160
Speaker 2: Those are the cons All of those can be true,

1951
01:29:42,280 --> 01:29:44,479
Speaker 2: But when you look at each of the specifics, none

1952
01:29:44,520 --> 01:29:47,160
Speaker 2: of them hold up under any scrutiny. I say again

1953
01:29:47,200 --> 01:29:48,720
Speaker 2: as I did the last time a report like this

1954
01:29:48,800 --> 01:29:51,080
Speaker 2: came out. It's not a debate anymore. It's not even

1955
01:29:51,080 --> 01:29:54,280
Speaker 2: a hypothesis. At this point, it's almost one hundred percent true.

1956
01:29:54,479 --> 01:29:57,000
Speaker 2: COVID leaked from the Wuhan lab sometime in September or

1957
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Speaker 2: October twenty nineteen. The preponderance of evidence has always point

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Speaker 2: of that way. The only reason you don't even know

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Speaker 2: any of this for two years earlier. Is because nobody

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Speaker 2: in the media did their jobs. They have to let

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Speaker 2: the government let us know via report instead of in

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Speaker 2: real time. We actually needed it the most. I mean,

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Speaker 2: at least we have it now. You could send any

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Speaker 2: relative or friend doubting lab leak this video if you

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Speaker 2: need to. It's really just not for discussion anymore, isn't

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Speaker 2: it crazy?

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Speaker 3: Crystal? I mean I did an update on the first

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Speaker 3: part of their monologue way back when.

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Speaker 2: That's what I was talking about, the hospitals and the

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Speaker 2: geospatial intelligence around the part.

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Speaker 1: And if you want to hear my reaction to Sagre's monologue,

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Speaker 1: become a premium subscriber today at Breakingpoints dot com.

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Speaker 3: Crystal, what do you take a look at?

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Speaker 1: Well, guys, Harvard is out with their annual survey of

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Speaker 1: young people, and the results here are quite revealing. Contrary

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Speaker 1: to the stereotype, voters under thirty are highly engaged, even

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Speaker 1: as they are disgusted as we all are, with the

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Speaker 1: current political class, and they're very anxious about the present

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Speaker 1: and their own futures. They're depressed, fearful about their own

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Speaker 1: personal safety. They really can't stand Joe Biden, and they

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Speaker 1: hate the Republican Party even more. But what stood out

1982
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Speaker 1: to me the most was their relative political radicalism compared

1983
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Speaker 1: to other generations. On issue after issue, young voters have

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Speaker 1: shifted left in the past decade in ways that will

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Speaker 1: have profound implications for our politics and especially for the

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Speaker 1: Democratic Party. A massive generational divide has opened up just

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Speaker 1: as young Americans are determined to claim their power now.

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Speaker 1: It may seem hard to believe, but Joe Biden actually

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Speaker 1: did enjoy quite a honeymoon period with young voters at

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Speaker 1: the very start of his presidency. At the beginning of

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Speaker 1: his term, Joe Biden had Barack Obama levels of approval.

1992
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Speaker 4: With the youths.

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Speaker 1: He was sitting at fifty nine percent. In every subsequent

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Speaker 1: subsequent poll. However, that support has dropped like a rock. Currently,

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Speaker 1: only thirty six percent of those who are under the

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Speaker 1: age of thirty approve of the job that he is doing.

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Speaker 1: This in spite of the fact that this group overwhelmingly

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Speaker 1: voted for him in the last election.

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Speaker 4: This makes a lot of sense.

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Speaker 1: Of course, at the beginning of his term, he delivered

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Speaker 1: on stimulus checks and other aid measures that were a

2002
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Speaker 1: lifeline for a lot of young people who were just

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Speaker 1: getting started in life when they got kicked in the

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Speaker 1: face by the COVID pandemic. Since then, he has completely

2005
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Speaker 1: abandoned any sort of larger program, even as young people,

2006
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Speaker 1: like everyone else, are getting hammered by inflation. In fact,

2007
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Speaker 1: on every issue they tested, Biden gets extremely poor marks

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Speaker 1: with this demographic group only thirty seven percent, a proof

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Speaker 1: of his handling of Ukraine only twenty seven percent, a

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Speaker 1: proof of his handling of gun violence only thirty eight percent,

2011
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Speaker 1: a proof of his handling of race relations. But tellingly,

2012
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Speaker 1: nowhere is his performance as dismal as it is on

2013
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Speaker 1: the economy. Only twenty eight percent think he's done a

2014
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Speaker 1: good job on the economy, and only twenty two percent

2015
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Speaker 1: say that he has done a good job on inflation.

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Speaker 1: These numbers suggest a profound betrayal of the Biden administration

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Speaker 1: towards a core constituency which effectively handed him the White House.

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Speaker 1: This is an age cohort that has only known crises

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Speaker 1: since they came of age, with COVID just being the

2020
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Speaker 1: latest in a string of world changing catastrophes, So no

2021
01:32:53,960 --> 01:32:57,760
Speaker 1: one should be surprised that Biden's plotting corporate friendly incrementalism

2022
01:32:58,000 --> 01:33:00,000
Speaker 1: doesn't sit well with the generation of people. For heim,

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Speaker 1: when the status quo has meant rapid and constant change,

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Speaker 1: a generation from the status quo has also often meant disaster.

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Speaker 1: This is in direct contrast the world of middle class

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Speaker 1: stability that the Boomers benefited from. They grew up in

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Speaker 1: a time of union strength, shared prosperity, affordable housing, education, healthcare.

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Speaker 1: Inequality was comparatively low, wages were comparatively high, and you

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Speaker 1: can still see it in the stats that demonstrate that

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Speaker 1: Boomers were able to build wealth and escape for charity

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Speaker 1: much more quickly and in many larger numbers than millennials

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Speaker 1: or now gen Z. So it makes sense that their

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Speaker 1: politics would diverge so dramatically from that of younger generations

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Speaker 1: who have grown up any profoundly different landscape. There are

2035
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Speaker 1: signs that after a multi decade abandonment of class material

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Speaker 1: politics by generations that could take a basic level of

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Speaker 1: economic stability for granted, young voters might actually be reclaiming

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Speaker 1: these older New Deal era traditions, fusing them together with

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Speaker 1: identity based liberation struggles. The general vibe is basically non binary.

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Speaker 1: Starbucks Baristas launching a grassroots labor movement that has literally

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Speaker 1: broken the brain of CEO Howard Schultz. In fact, on

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Speaker 1: every issue tested by Harvard, young people over the past

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Speaker 1: decade have swapped a Clintonian neoliberal view for a Bernie

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Speaker 1: style democratic socialist view of government involvement in society. Take

2045
01:34:13,320 --> 01:34:16,479
Speaker 1: a look at this. Sixty five percent now say healthcare

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Speaker 1: is a basic right. That is a twenty three point

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Speaker 1: shift in a decade. Fifty nine percent say government should

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Speaker 1: spend war to reduce poverty. That is a twenty four

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Speaker 1: percent shift in just a decade. And sixty two percent

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Speaker 1: believe that basic necessities such as food and shelter are

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Speaker 1: a right which should be provided by the government to

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Speaker 1: those unable to afford them. That is an eighteen point

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Speaker 1: shift over the past ten years. Large majorities believe that

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Speaker 1: housing is a human right, large majorities believe homelessness can

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Speaker 1: happen to anyone, and sizeable numbers fear that homelessness could

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Speaker 1: happen to them. But while contrary to stereotypes, these voters

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Speaker 1: are actually highly engaged, they also feel really frustrated with

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Speaker 1: their limited political impact. A majority believes that people like

2059
01:34:58,160 --> 01:35:00,759
Speaker 1: me do not have any say. Only twenty one percent

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Speaker 1: disagrees with that sentiment. A plurality believes that their vote

2061
01:35:04,200 --> 01:35:07,519
Speaker 1: will not make any real difference. Fifty eight percent say

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01:35:07,520 --> 01:35:10,479
Speaker 1: that the government does not represent the America I love.

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Speaker 1: Only eight percent said.

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Speaker 4: That it did.

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Speaker 1: So you've got a large group of voters highly engaged,

2066
01:35:17,080 --> 01:35:20,439
Speaker 1: disgusted with the status quo, feel dismissed and crushed by

2067
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Speaker 1: our current political class. They despise the Republicans, are disgusted

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Speaker 1: with the impotence and limited ambitions of the Democrats led

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Speaker 1: by Joe Biden. The dam is going to break one day.

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Speaker 1: It is only a question of when I thought. The

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Speaker 1: shifts over a decade are both astonishing but also make

2072
01:35:37,160 --> 01:35:37,879
Speaker 1: all the sense.

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Speaker 4: In the world.

2074
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Speaker 2: And if you want to hear my reaction to Crystal's monologue,

2075
01:35:41,120 --> 01:35:46,960
Speaker 2: become a premium subscriber today at Breakingpoints dot Com.

2076
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Speaker 1: Excited to be joined now by Kyle Konde, great friend

2077
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Speaker 1: of the show and writer for Sabato's Crystal Ball at

2078
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Speaker 1: the UVA Center for Politics.

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Speaker 4: Great to see a friend.

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Speaker 3: Good to see you man, Thanks for having me so.

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Speaker 1: You have I think very smart anawo here of Joe

2082
01:36:01,240 --> 01:36:04,000
Speaker 1: Biden's prospects for reelection. Let's put this up on the screen.

2083
01:36:04,080 --> 01:36:07,400
Speaker 1: You say, is Biden's approval rating two week for him

2084
01:36:07,400 --> 01:36:10,920
Speaker 1: to win? Just like in twenty twenty two, soft disapprovers

2085
01:36:11,080 --> 01:36:14,320
Speaker 1: are a key block. So, as you point out here,

2086
01:36:14,400 --> 01:36:17,759
Speaker 1: presdential approval ratings oftentime determine whether or not an incumbent

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01:36:17,800 --> 01:36:18,360
Speaker 1: president is.

2088
01:36:18,280 --> 01:36:19,240
Speaker 4: Going to get reelected.

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Speaker 1: Biden's approve approval rating has been consistently now for a while,

2090
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Speaker 1: fairly poor. So what do you make of that landscape

2091
01:36:26,640 --> 01:36:28,400
Speaker 1: and what it means for his chances?

2092
01:36:28,880 --> 01:36:30,640
Speaker 6: Well, look, I think either Biden is going to have

2093
01:36:30,680 --> 01:36:33,880
Speaker 6: to get to fifty percent approval or better, or he's

2094
01:36:33,920 --> 01:36:36,040
Speaker 6: going to have to do what Democrats showed some success

2095
01:36:36,040 --> 01:36:38,760
Speaker 6: in doing in twenty twenty two, which was that you know,

2096
01:36:38,800 --> 01:36:41,400
Speaker 6: Democrats were able to win. The group of voters was

2097
01:36:41,439 --> 01:36:43,800
Speaker 6: like ten to twelve percent of voters in twenty twenty

2098
01:36:43,800 --> 01:36:47,360
Speaker 6: two who said that they had a somewhat disapproved of Biden,

2099
01:36:47,400 --> 01:36:49,920
Speaker 6: but they voted Democratic anyway in the in the House

2100
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Speaker 6: elections in twenty twenty two, according to the exit polls.

2101
01:36:54,080 --> 01:36:55,680
Speaker 6: And you know, typically I think you would look at

2102
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Speaker 6: Biden as being you know, forty two forty three percent

2103
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Speaker 6: approved fifty to you know, fifty three percent disapprove, and

2104
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Speaker 6: you'd say, is the President's probably not gonna win again,

2105
01:37:05,120 --> 01:37:08,040
Speaker 6: but he's so reliant, just like he was in twenty twenty,

2106
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Speaker 6: and basically the weakness of the Republican Party and the

2107
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Speaker 6: weakness of the Republican nominee, you know, with Trump in

2108
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Speaker 6: twenty twenty and maybe Trump again in twenty twenty four,

2109
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Speaker 6: that you know, I still think Biden's got a decent

2110
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Speaker 6: chance despite his own weaknesses. But that's because you know,

2111
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Speaker 6: he always has this line about, you know, don't compare

2112
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Speaker 6: me to the almighty comparement of the alternative, and he's

2113
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Speaker 6: very reliant on the alternative, I think.

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Speaker 2: Right, So this is the very interesting thing, Kyle. Do

2115
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Speaker 2: we have a modern precedent for president where the vast

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Speaker 2: majority of his own party doesn't necessarily want him to run, however,

2117
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Speaker 2: sees him still as preferable, and still the independent voters

2118
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Speaker 2: would still push him over the edge to make him

2119
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Speaker 2: quite electable. I'm trying to think in my mind. I mean,

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Speaker 2: even if we look at the Carter primary, he still

2121
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Speaker 2: did win a competitive primary against Ted Kennedy. Do we

2122
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Speaker 2: have a historical parallel for what's happening right now?

2123
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Speaker 6: You know, if you went back and looked at some

2124
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Speaker 6: of Reagan's numbers in early nineteen eighty three, you can't

2125
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Speaker 6: find a lot of hesitance about him running again and

2126
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Speaker 6: concerns about his age and those sorts of things. Now, look,

2127
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Speaker 6: I think Reagan was also obviously he ended up winning

2128
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Speaker 6: a huge landslide. He did have a fairly weak Democratic opponent,

2129
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Speaker 6: Walter Mondale, but he also had some things breaking in

2130
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Speaker 6: his favor on the economic front over the course of

2131
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Speaker 6: eighty three and eighty four.

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Speaker 5: But you know, Reagan, just like you know Biden.

2133
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Speaker 6: Biden's the oldest president ever, but Reagan is near the

2134
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Speaker 6: top of the list too, and there were some concerns

2135
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Speaker 6: about him as well. Though you know, Reagan ended up

2136
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Speaker 6: not having really any primary opposition. Biden does have some

2137
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Speaker 6: primary opposition, but I wouldn't consider it particularly strong. So

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Speaker 6: you know, yeah, there's some softness there, but you know,

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Speaker 6: there's been softness for you know, for previous presidents too,

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Speaker 6: who ended up getting getting getting re elected.

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Speaker 1: I do think it's unique, though, how what a small

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Speaker 1: percentage of his own party wants him to be renominated,

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Speaker 1: which is you know, I was just looking at the

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Speaker 1: number earlier in the show, which does stand down as

2145
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Speaker 1: a contrast from you know, from Clinton, from Obama, from

2146
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Speaker 1: Trump certainly as well, where Trump was very unpopular but

2147
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Speaker 1: his own party was enthusiastic about him, which is different

2148
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Speaker 1: for Biden. You know, with Biden, the feelings towards him

2149
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Speaker 1: are and this has been I think fairly consistent since

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Speaker 1: he's been running for the presential nomination. It's just been

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Speaker 1: sort of like, eh, you know, people don't love him,

2152
01:39:26,880 --> 01:39:28,840
Speaker 1: they don't like hate him the way that they hate

2153
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Speaker 1: a Trump like figure. And so you point to something

2154
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Speaker 1: here that I think is really key, which is what

2155
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Speaker 1: you describe as soft Biden disapprovers, people who probably don't

2156
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Speaker 1: like either of these candidates and maybe like maybe they

2157
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Speaker 1: hate Biden less than they hate Donald Trump, which I

2158
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Speaker 1: think was kind of a key factor for him in

2159
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Speaker 1: winning the presidency to start with.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 6: I mean, if you go back and look at in

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Speaker 6: twenty sixteen, you know, there were a lot of people

2163
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Speaker 6: who had an unfavorable view of both Hillary Clinton, he

2164
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Speaker 6: and Donald Trump. But at the end those folks broke

2165
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Speaker 6: toward Trump because they wanted it change. You know, right now,

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Speaker 6: I don't know if the you know, I think that

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Speaker 6: that Trump might have our time winning over those voters.

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Speaker 6: But you know, the thing is too is like, you know,

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Speaker 6: you can't just say, oh, well, Trump can't win again.

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Speaker 5: I mean, of course he could win again.

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Speaker 6: I mean the floor for both parties I think is

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Speaker 6: really high in American politics. I think historically you'd think, oh, well,

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Speaker 6: a major party nominee is going to get you know,

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Speaker 6: forty percent of the vote or something. Now it's probably

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Speaker 6: more like forty five or forty six or something like that.

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Speaker 6: So we're only talking about, you know, kind of a

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Speaker 6: relatively small sliver of the electorate and a relatively small

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Speaker 6: number of swing states. When I was talking yesterday to

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Speaker 6: a pretty prominent political reporter and we were going back

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Speaker 6: and forth at the Electoral College, and you know, there

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Speaker 6: were seven states that were decided by three points or

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Speaker 6: less in twenty twenty, and we were thinking, boys, Michigan

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Speaker 6: like really a swing state?

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Speaker 5: Is North Carolina really a swing state?

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Speaker 6: And then you start to whittle down the list and

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Speaker 6: maybe it's just like three or four states like Arizona, Georgia,

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Speaker 6: you know, Wisconsin, Nevada that are like true toss ups

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Speaker 6: for twenty twenty. So you know, there's there's not a

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Speaker 6: whole lot of persuadable voters out there.

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Speaker 5: The floors for both parties are very high.

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Speaker 6: You don't have a lot of super competitive swing states,

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Speaker 6: and so you know, there's not to you know, again,

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Speaker 6: there's there's there are there are key voting blocks.

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Speaker 5: They are going to be important here. But but again

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Speaker 5: the floors for both parties are pretty high.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's a really axcell point.

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Speaker 2: Somebody I always point out, I'm like, listen, any nominee

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Speaker 2: of a major party can win the presidency period. It's

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Speaker 2: there is no somebody can't win. It's like, if you're

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Speaker 2: the nominee the Republican or Democratic Party, you absolutely can win. Now,

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Speaker 2: you know, it's a game of inches basically.

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Speaker 3: From there.

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Speaker 2: If we're to look at some of the most determinative factors, Kyle,

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Speaker 2: the economy is one which I remember in twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: the Trump campaign always told me. They said, yeah, they

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Speaker 2: don't approve COVID, they don't Buty's economic numbers. Those are

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Speaker 2: always strong, and it was much closer than a lot

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Speaker 2: of people thought. What are the similar historical metrics people

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Speaker 2: should track for Joe Biden to see how things will

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Speaker 2: be trending towards election day in the next coming months,

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Speaker 2: before November twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I do think just by approval rating is a

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Speaker 6: great catch all for like how people feel about the

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Speaker 6: state of the country. And look, I don't I'd be

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Speaker 6: very surprised if Biden got to fifty percent approval by

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Speaker 6: you know, November twenty twenty four. But you know, I

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Speaker 6: think the trajectory probably matters. You know, again, he's in

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Speaker 6: the kind of low to mid forties right now. You know,

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Speaker 6: if he does kind of clear you know, climb clearly

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Speaker 6: over forty five percent by the time election comes, that

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Speaker 6: combined with the potential weakness of the Republican nomine I mean, hey,

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Speaker 6: maybe the Republicans will nominate a great candidate who's popular

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Speaker 6: and who runs circles around Biden. I mean, we don't

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Speaker 6: know that yet, but I don't think that that candidate

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Speaker 6: is Trump if if Trump does in fact get renominated.

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Speaker 6: But you know, the approval rating would also kind of

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Speaker 6: pick up people's broader concerns about the country, so like

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Speaker 6: to the extent that they care about the economy and

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Speaker 6: attribute that to presidential performance.

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Speaker 5: You know, that would appear in the approval rating.

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Speaker 6: You know, I mean, if Biden is like lower in

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Speaker 6: approval in you know, in next fall than he is now,

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Speaker 6: that would I think be a pretty clear warning sign

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Speaker 6: that he was going to lose. So so again, don't

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Speaker 6: necessarily think that Biden has to be in fifty, but

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Speaker 6: I think the trajectory that probably matters. And you know,

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Speaker 6: obviously there are these big economic indicators. Although you know,

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Speaker 6: we did just go through an election where you know,

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Speaker 6: the Republicans seem to have the economic argument kind of

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Speaker 6: handed to them on a silver platter, and voters you know,

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Speaker 6: generally trusted them on the economy more. And yet it

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Speaker 6: was a pretty mixed and fairly weak result for the Republicans,

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Speaker 6: even though they did flip the House. So there's a

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Speaker 6: lot more that people are voting on than just the economy.

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Speaker 6: I think these things are maybe a little bit more

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Speaker 6: complicated than they used to be, and people are maybe

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Speaker 6: more tribal or voting on cultural matters. I mean, obviously,

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Speaker 6: abortion I think continues to be a really big deal,

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Speaker 6: particularly in the wake of the Dobbs decision. But you know,

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Speaker 6: even if the economy is bad, I don't necessarily know

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Speaker 6: if that means that that Biden can't win and you

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Speaker 6: may not have said that like a generation or two

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Speaker 6: about about right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think abortion was the rail has

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Speaker 1: has really upended politics. I mean the results that we

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Speaker 1: just have from that Wisconsin State Supreme Court of Race,

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Speaker 1: where Wisconsin is the ultimate swing state, and you got

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Speaker 1: a candidate who's winning on abortion by more than easily

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Speaker 1: double digits. That shows you the power and how visceral

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Speaker 1: that issue is for a lot of folks. You know,

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Speaker 1: speak a little bit to enthusiasm and turnout. One thing

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Speaker 1: that Trump has consistently done is he has increased turnout.

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Speaker 1: He's increased turnout among Republicans. He's also increased turnout in

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Speaker 1: Democrats who want to vote against him. What do you

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Speaker 1: see in the numbers in terms of, you know, the

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Speaker 1: Republicans still feel as enthusiastic about Trump that they really

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Speaker 1: want to show up to vote for him. Do Democrats

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Speaker 1: still feel as enthusiastic as they did to vote against

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Speaker 1: him and see him as the central threat that they,

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Speaker 1: you know, have since he really came on the scene

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Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen. What do you see in those indicators?

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Speaker 6: I suspect that you know, they if Trump is in

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Speaker 6: fact renominated that sort of voting against Trump will probably

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Speaker 6: be a bigger motivator for Democrats and voting for Biden,

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Speaker 6: which was the case in twenty twenty.

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Speaker 5: I think it's also worth.

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Speaker 6: Noting that that, you know, an unenthusiastic vote is worth

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Speaker 6: just as much is an enthusiastic vote, right, And this

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Speaker 6: I remember this specifically from the twenty twelve election because

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Speaker 6: Democrats Republicans at times had enthusiasm advantages in polling, but

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Speaker 6: you know, the sort of the likely voter models and

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Speaker 6: what have you still indicated that enough Democrats were going

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Speaker 6: to show up to reelect Obama. It was a close election,

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Speaker 6: but a pretty clear victory for Obama. And I kind

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Speaker 6: of wonder if, you know, if Biden were to win

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Speaker 6: again this time, if it might be a similar sort

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Speaker 6: of situation where Democrats are not necessarily enthusiastic about Biden.

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Speaker 6: In fact, there's certainly less enthusiastic about him than they

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Speaker 6: were for Obama was sort of a more dynamic, charismatic figure.

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Speaker 6: But at the same time, you know, just the specter

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Speaker 6: of Trump winning again could very well be motivating for

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Speaker 6: you know, for for Democrats to.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, based on the launch video today, you know

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Speaker 1: that's certainly the case that they're betting on I routinely

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Speaker 1: bring up, but I think it's really central to the thinking.

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Speaker 1: Ron Klaan tweeting wake of Emmanuel Matcron getting reelected with

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Speaker 1: like a thirty something percent of approval riting in France, like, hey, interesting,

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Speaker 1: Apparently there's something that we can work with there if

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Speaker 1: the opposition is sufficiently odious enough. So, Kyle, thank you

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