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Speaker 1: to talk about mysterious stuff tonight. We're gonna talk about rocks. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna talking about that special, a special bunch of
Speaker 1: rocks in Brittaan in the south of France called the
Speaker 1: Carnex Stones. The Carnex stones are just thousands of stones
Speaker 1: laid out, very large stones, I might add, laid out
Speaker 1: in mysterious rows that are like over a kilometer long
Speaker 1: in some instances and ten ten ten stones wide. These
Speaker 1: stones are called men here's they are, which are needs
Speaker 1: standing stones, and they vary between several feet high to
Speaker 1: fifteen feet high and yeah, ten stones wide, over a
Speaker 1: kilometer long, hundred meters wide, and some end change along.
Speaker 1: So we're just saying, like, so some guy in the
Speaker 1: Brittany decided to take a crane and a bunch of
Speaker 1: stones up or that's kind of my guess, you know.
Speaker 1: And so you know, there's a there's a too fascinating
Speaker 1: things about this. Number one, nobody has any clue as
Speaker 1: to why this these people did this. And number two,
Speaker 1: given the size of the stones and then huge vast
Speaker 1: numbers of them, and then the very careful arrangement, the
Speaker 1: obviously they a huge amount of energy to this, so
Speaker 1: there had to have been a fairly large, sophisticated society.
Speaker 1: I ask a good question. They were there estimated between
Speaker 1: BC and three thousand. I thought you were talking about
Speaker 1: like some dude like fifty years ago with a crane.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna put these rocks up. You know, it
Speaker 1: could possibly be. I mean, we don't really know. I mean,
Speaker 1: these guys, these guys that is this Carnack Stones are
Speaker 1: named after a town in France called Karnak, and it
Speaker 1: may very well be the little pals felt that they
Speaker 1: would like a little more tourism and maybe they just
Speaker 1: snuck these things out into the fields. On that and
Speaker 1: it says there's a many large rocks explained maybe yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: companies without town that good rail. I'm gonna put that
Speaker 1: on the list of possible experts. I think, yeah, that's
Speaker 1: a good one. Yeah. I I have actually, and you
Speaker 1: guys have been have been looking at some of this material,
Speaker 1: have been going out and reviewing some of the various
Speaker 1: theories that people have as to why these things were
Speaker 1: put up. And that's one of the mysteries. Of course.
Speaker 1: The other mystery is it's very large, somewhat largely sophisticated
Speaker 1: society that obviously, I don't know, wealth and spare time
Speaker 1: to do this vanished without a trace. And that's another
Speaker 1: huge mystery. Where did these guys go? So we don't
Speaker 1: know who actually did all this work. We have no clue.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I guess can you like tell me because
Speaker 1: I always get really fuzzy only human history and all
Speaker 1: that stuff. Like three thousand BC, that's when you said
Speaker 1: these were people what already five three? Okay, So what's
Speaker 1: going on then? I mean, you know, are we like
Speaker 1: obviously we're not time of Christ. Are we like Great Pyramids?
Speaker 1: Or we like this is like before the Great Pyramids,
Speaker 1: two thousand years before the Great Pyramids. So I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean, well, when they finished up in about three
Speaker 1: thousand d C. And I assume that they didn't really
Speaker 1: finish the project, they all probably just died or something
Speaker 1: like that. Civilization just went out of style. But but yeah,
Speaker 1: that was that was still a couple of centuries. That
Speaker 1: was still at least a couple of centuries before the
Speaker 1: first pyramids built in Egypt. All right, that's all right,
Speaker 1: I'm getting interested now. And elsewhere in the world, I
Speaker 1: think we were just basically living in mud Hutson beating
Speaker 1: each other to death, you know, and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: It sounds like that that sounds about this is the
Speaker 1: time in human history right where we like seem to
Speaker 1: have forgotten Stonehenge was kind of happening, right, you know,
Speaker 1: all these like big times where it seems like there's
Speaker 1: this moment in human history where everyone was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: we had all these big civilization civilizations, you have really
Speaker 1: mess with people in the future, let's just forget about them. Well,
Speaker 1: there's all these megalithic constructions around that around those those
Speaker 1: thousands of years have then all of the people that yeah,
Speaker 1: moved along, the knowledge was forgotten. I think we've talked
Speaker 1: about this in a different show before. And in the future. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're just like what we prior to the invention of
Speaker 1: writing and all that, there's no records left and you know,
Speaker 1: all of their little houses and everything have fallen down. Okay,
Speaker 1: so we're talking about this time period of time where
Speaker 1: it's like this big question mark and just as the side.
Speaker 1: One time, I was in Wales some some years back
Speaker 1: and I visited a sumulus, which is what they have
Speaker 1: at Karnac also, which are these big barrows or burial mounds,
Speaker 1: and that was dated at about again and author unknown.
Speaker 1: The most ancient structure I've ever been in, but you know,
Speaker 1: and those are those mounds that are thirty plus feed high.
Speaker 1: Somebody buried underneath the bottom of the mound with all
Speaker 1: their gear. Yeah yeah, And this was this one was
Speaker 1: not quite that impressive. It was on the Welsh coast,
Speaker 1: but it was like basically like a little flint stone's house,
Speaker 1: you know, with like slate walls and a slate roof,
Speaker 1: and that was just it was buried and eventually was
Speaker 1: excavated and then reburied, but there was they left a
Speaker 1: tunnel so you could walk inside it and see what.
Speaker 1: I don't think I've seen something on that one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: actually brings a bell. Yeah yeah. I I went to
Speaker 1: Stonehenge and the weird like stargazing huts. They can't totally
Speaker 1: figure out what's going on there. And those are really
Speaker 1: old and they I think they kind of fit this
Speaker 1: category of like weird stonework from a prehistoric age. Well,
Speaker 1: and so you know, I mean, I obviously I've never
Speaker 1: been and seeing a chronic stone, but just like you,
Speaker 1: I've been to Stonehenge and it is amazing to see
Speaker 1: these giant, giant rocks. I mean, what is the rock
Speaker 1: of Stonehenge. You're five tons at least minimums, you know,
Speaker 1: if not ten or twenties, and you just gotta think weight.
Speaker 1: This was before we really knew how to use a
Speaker 1: lot of complex systems and a bunch of guys figured
Speaker 1: out figured out how to howk these rocks up on time,
Speaker 1: and they didn't fall over. Yeah, they still haven't fall Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's what's that's I mean, that's what's amazing with
Speaker 1: these carnex stones because they're also really really large, a
Speaker 1: lot of them, and yeah they are, and some of
Speaker 1: them have broken and fallen over, but most of them
Speaker 1: are still standing. That's wear and tear, it kind of expect.
Speaker 1: It's not that they've actually like fallen because they've fallen
Speaker 1: out of their place, but they because they were poorly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so it's impressive. Ancient man could do a lot of
Speaker 1: impressive stuff. You know, we we think of Asian man
Speaker 1: is ignorant and stupid, which I'm sure he was, but
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of them were. But but
Speaker 1: it's just make stuff. Yeah, So anyway, let's let me
Speaker 1: I'll describe them a little bit more for our readers,
Speaker 1: who I'm sure but now I've already got out to
Speaker 1: Google and they're looking at pictures right now. For those
Speaker 1: of you that haven't, let me describe them a little bit.
Speaker 1: There's three major alignments, um, and it appears when you
Speaker 1: look at the aerials and the maps and everything, it
Speaker 1: appears that they might most possibly were just one huge
Speaker 1: long alignment that was broken up by people stealing rocks
Speaker 1: for construction. Roads going through is another one of those
Speaker 1: that like there's no actual preservation of Yeah, it wasn't
Speaker 1: for a long time. There is now there is because
Speaker 1: I actually went to the Karnak website that's run by
Speaker 1: the French government and it has visiting in hours and
Speaker 1: all that, but a lot of it is behind fences
Speaker 1: now and you can't actually walk into other roads through
Speaker 1: parts of this and stuff built like with the okay,
Speaker 1: all right, yeah, I got it, Okay. You would think
Speaker 1: that that you would think that you'd be able to
Speaker 1: find some some big match in or castle nearby that's
Speaker 1: you know, obviously built from rocks stolen from and then
Speaker 1: if you go knock the castle down and take the
Speaker 1: rocks and put them back, maybe that's what it is
Speaker 1: that's my theory. I'm gonna go and say it right now.
Speaker 1: My theory is that it was a castle on that
Speaker 1: they were just like, screw the dude who lives here,
Speaker 1: in the most obvious way possible. Yeah, and as acid
Speaker 1: the mysterious disappearance of the people that built this, What
Speaker 1: I think happened is I think that they did this
Speaker 1: and eventually time, you know, news traveled slowly and for
Speaker 1: three thousand BC. I think eventually what happened is the
Speaker 1: Stonehengians got wind of this and tried to file a
Speaker 1: copyright infringement lawsuits that discovered discovered to their rage that
Speaker 1: lawyers didn't yet exist, and so they went over there
Speaker 1: and just slaughtered these people and burned their homes to
Speaker 1: the ground. What happened that that's what happened. Okay, Yeah, anyway,
Speaker 1: so I'll talk about the alignment. So the big things
Speaker 1: the medic alignments is eleven rows of men. Here's an men.
Speaker 1: Here is a large standing stone for one point one
Speaker 1: six five kilometers. That's that's one thousand, sixty five by
Speaker 1: a hundred meters um. So that's that's a lot of rocks. Uh.
Speaker 1: And apparently there is that there appeared to be the
Speaker 1: remains of stone circles at either end of this room.
Speaker 1: Next after that comes to car Mario alignment, which is
Speaker 1: further to the east. Um. This is called the Camaro
Speaker 1: House of the Dead. I love the name House of
Speaker 1: the Dead alignment uh one thousand, twenty nine stones in
Speaker 1: ten columns, about hundred meters in length, stone circles to
Speaker 1: the east end. Uh. Last of all the curl Scan alignment,
Speaker 1: smaller group of five hundred fifty stones further to still
Speaker 1: thirteen lines with the total length of about eight hundred meters. Oh,
Speaker 1: they talked about a little bitty group also the petty
Speaker 1: min Echo alignment, which is on Pettit and French means
Speaker 1: little uh so nine month. The much smaller group further
Speaker 1: the east of curl Scan is actually they're actually in
Speaker 1: the woods and covered with moss and ivy and stuff.
Speaker 1: And then after that, besides that, there's a bunch of
Speaker 1: other artifacts. There's timuli, which is a proto tumulus, which
Speaker 1: is amount of earth built up and which essentially is
Speaker 1: a burial mound for barrel barrel. There are dolmans are
Speaker 1: kind kind of like they're they're basically kind of like
Speaker 1: clint Stone houses um that were tumbes basically a big
Speaker 1: big square rocks stacked up with a big flat rocks
Speaker 1: and set on the top of it. And I don't
Speaker 1: know how many guys it takes the lift up one
Speaker 1: of those things that set it on top. I mean,
Speaker 1: getting the sides up wouldn't be that hard, but getting
Speaker 1: the roof on, that's that's pretty impressively. That's always a
Speaker 1: big question, right is that? Like Okay, I guess I
Speaker 1: can see how they like made those stones vertical, but
Speaker 1: like it's those giant horizontal pieces on top that's standing
Speaker 1: standing a stone up right, you dig a big hole
Speaker 1: on me that you just roll it in, You roll
Speaker 1: it in and then your backfill. I can see that,
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's the it's the lifting up the big
Speaker 1: flat ones and putting them on top there still boggles me.
Speaker 1: It's although actually, actually I think I just figured it out.
Speaker 1: You put up your walls, and then you and then
Speaker 1: you and then you fill it around, bill it around
Speaker 1: with dirt till till the dirt is level with the
Speaker 1: top of the walls, and then you roll the top
Speaker 1: up on logs and then you just pull the logs
Speaker 1: out from underneath. Then you dig the dirt away again. Okay,
Speaker 1: we figured that out. Yeah, because I was gonna say,
Speaker 1: I'm glad I came up with that, because otherwise I
Speaker 1: would have had to go though somewhere I hate to go,
Speaker 1: which is aliens. I like aliens for this, and I
Speaker 1: want to talk about aliens later. You want to talk
Speaker 1: about later, we'll talk about our theories. Yeah, always do well.
Speaker 1: So anyway I saw, like I said, I feel free
Speaker 1: to go out to Google and look at some of
Speaker 1: the pictures and stuff of this. You should, because I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, it's hard to imagine. There's some pictures where
Speaker 1: there are people standing next to the rocks and you
Speaker 1: get a good scope of how big they are. What
Speaker 1: is the one, Joe, do you remember the name of
Speaker 1: the one that? I mean? Somebody re erected it because
Speaker 1: it had fallen down, But it's the famous picture is
Speaker 1: always some little kid sitting at the bottom of it.
Speaker 1: And this thing is I don't know, thirty feet high.
Speaker 1: It's called it's called the money a giant or something like.
Speaker 1: It's yet a big honking rock. I don't know how
Speaker 1: deep into the ground it goes, either, it's got to
Speaker 1: be a long way down. Yeah, it's got to be
Speaker 1: going Yeah, it's gotta be going down at least what
Speaker 1: ten feet? Yeah, at least. Yeah, they have to not
Speaker 1: fall over. So somebody had to dig dig a hole.
Speaker 1: That would be approval work. Yeah, somebody had to dig
Speaker 1: a hole. And then and then while the other guys okay, man,
Speaker 1: well you dig the hole, we're gonna go get the rock.
Speaker 1: So okay, since I'm the question asker of this, yes,
Speaker 1: my question right now when we're talking about description of
Speaker 1: it is what keeps these rocks from just being like rocks? Right? Like?
Speaker 1: Are they just normal rocks? They're just like you found
Speaker 1: them anywhere or there any kind of like stone mason
Speaker 1: remarks or anything like that. Yeah, they definitely found marks,
Speaker 1: I mean marks of stonemasonry. Um, definitely, they found like
Speaker 1: they split the granite by drilling holes, and god knows
Speaker 1: how they did that. And then imagine they took a
Speaker 1: stick and just like just sort of rubbed it around
Speaker 1: like they know, like spun it around like about five
Speaker 1: million times. And then and then we managed to bore
Speaker 1: a hole in there and then and then get in
Speaker 1: there with wedges and split the rock. But apparently these
Speaker 1: these people didn't know how I didn't know how to
Speaker 1: work stone. They don't knew how to break it, and
Speaker 1: we didn't we didn't figure out how to make iron.
Speaker 1: We didn't know how to make iron at that time.
Speaker 1: So I think, I mean, the best tools we had
Speaker 1: besides other stones was maybe brass. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't even knows brass at that time. But brass
Speaker 1: is super soft. It's the worst tool in the world.
Speaker 1: Not it really granted, is like a really hard rock,
Speaker 1: so and like a stick isn't really gonna So, you know,
Speaker 1: I guess that's a question. Yeah, I mean, because I've
Speaker 1: seen pictures of some of these rocks, and they've they've
Speaker 1: bored holes in the rocks in a line that eight
Speaker 1: and breaking these things and certain and god knows how
Speaker 1: they did that. I don't know. I mean, it's you know,
Speaker 1: maybe these people actually succeeded in creating steel, you know,
Speaker 1: who knows? Yeah, you know, I guess We've talked about
Speaker 1: some stories where there's some evidence that maybe man knew
Speaker 1: how to work metal before we gave him credit for
Speaker 1: entirely possible to possible. Yeah. Yeah. One of the things
Speaker 1: I'll say about these is, even though there's evidence of stonework.
Speaker 1: They left a lot of this natural part of the rocks.
Speaker 1: And they didn't totally shape these rocks into like a
Speaker 1: perfect rectangle or anything like that. They looked like they
Speaker 1: look like long rocks basically um in mostly in most cases,
Speaker 1: some of them are pointed, some of them were flat. Well,
Speaker 1: and I think that I swear that I saw something.
Speaker 1: And tell me if you heard this or if I'm
Speaker 1: just making this up, Joe, But in these long swaths
Speaker 1: of all these pillars of rock, I swear I saw
Speaker 1: somewhere were not only were they in basically perfect rows,
Speaker 1: but they were they were level with each other, so
Speaker 1: that or was it level or were they stick They
Speaker 1: descend from one end to the other and in height,
Speaker 1: so especially so they decreased from end from one end
Speaker 1: and hight to the other end, and also side to side.
Speaker 1: Oh so the less side is the tallest and then
Speaker 1: they get shorter as they go. Is that what I'm
Speaker 1: to understand? Yeah, and so, but you know, when you
Speaker 1: actually look at the pictures of them on the ground,
Speaker 1: it's kind of hard to see that pattern. But but again,
Speaker 1: part of this is because they're on rolling ground, So
Speaker 1: it's like it's so you have to like go out
Speaker 1: and measure the rocks to really see. My own personal
Speaker 1: theory is that what happened is they started out small,
Speaker 1: and then and then and then the first rocks were
Speaker 1: the shortest ones, and those were the ones that they
Speaker 1: actually were capable of moving. And then as time went by,
Speaker 1: they figured out more effective ways to move rocks, and
Speaker 1: and so they started moving bigger rocks. And then you know,
Speaker 1: somebody else had another bright idea, and they were even
Speaker 1: they were able to tackle even bigger rocks. And so
Speaker 1: by the time about by the time they wrapped it
Speaker 1: all up, they're putting up rocks that are high. So
Speaker 1: you know, if it was me, it would be the
Speaker 1: exact act opposite. I would I would overestimate how much
Speaker 1: work I could do, so they would start out really
Speaker 1: cool and tall, and as I started working along, I
Speaker 1: started getting lazier and lazier, and they would get shorter
Speaker 1: and shorter because I didn't want to do so much work. Well, actually,
Speaker 1: this debunks one of the theories that I was tossing
Speaker 1: around talking about initially was that I thought maybe they
Speaker 1: were just gravestones. I think I read somewhere that they
Speaker 1: might have just been gravestones, but I think that it's
Speaker 1: suspicious that they would there would be such a solid
Speaker 1: down grade or down plane. You know that if they
Speaker 1: were just gravestones, they would be like whatever side. They
Speaker 1: wouldn't be like while all the big ones are over
Speaker 1: here and all the ones are over here. Yeah, that's that,
Speaker 1: that makes sense. Yeah, I mean I was, I was
Speaker 1: thinking that they started at one end and then it's
Speaker 1: possible that they realized that they're running a little short
Speaker 1: on rock. Maybe their corey was like, you know, not infinite,
Speaker 1: and they realized that that their quarry stone was not
Speaker 1: an infinite supply, and so they started putting up smaller ones.
Speaker 1: That's a possibility, yess. Yeah, but yeah, I guess if
Speaker 1: it was, if it was a graveyard and say they
Speaker 1: started at one end, then they would have been like,
Speaker 1: you know, modest sized rocks and then want some some
Speaker 1: big mucky muck dies and he would have gotten a
Speaker 1: really big rock and then and then after that they
Speaker 1: go back to small one. But the great stones are
Speaker 1: one of the theories is and again I believe it
Speaker 1: was there was something somebody had said that because it's
Speaker 1: x number of stones, that there were x number of tribes,
Speaker 1: So every time the leader of that tribe died, they
Speaker 1: would put up a new stone. And so everybody came
Speaker 1: together as leaders died and continually put more and more up,
Speaker 1: not necessarily as a headstone, but a marker for that person.
Speaker 1: So they would get bigger and bigger like the pyramids did,
Speaker 1: right because they were you know, well, I'm better than them,
Speaker 1: so when I die, then bill over there. The theory
Speaker 1: we're talking about this again named Manthuel Vega who wrote
Speaker 1: this theory that that was a necropolis for the leaders
Speaker 1: of supposedly ten confederated tribes Neolithic tribes. And uh, there's
Speaker 1: no real basis for this nice theory and everything, but
Speaker 1: you know, I mean so basically he takes the fact
Speaker 1: that there are ten rows to mean while there must
Speaker 1: have been ten tribes and just goes from there. So
Speaker 1: it's it's entirely possible that I don't know, yes, since
Speaker 1: this is prehistoric, right, that you can kind of just say, well,
Speaker 1: there were this many tribes and they were totally altoge.
Speaker 1: You know, it's very easy to just you can just
Speaker 1: kind of make it up as you go along. In
Speaker 1: my story world. This yeah, you know, an actually this,
Speaker 1: this gives me an idea. Though supposedly there were ten
Speaker 1: ten tribes and and so supposingly they all felt the
Speaker 1: need to make an offering to the gods every year,
Speaker 1: like once a growing season. So each tribe came out
Speaker 1: and came out to the spot and then put up
Speaker 1: a big gas stone. And they kept trying to outdo
Speaker 1: each other, which is why the stones kept going and
Speaker 1: growing in size. So wait, okay, so are there ten
Speaker 1: different sites and each tribe had a site or apparently
Speaker 1: they have a common sight, but they're how many sites
Speaker 1: are there? Oh? We're talking about like if this whole
Speaker 1: thing was like one was one single thing. Yeah, oh
Speaker 1: I see, yeah, but we don't know. See that's the
Speaker 1: hard part is we don't know if they were supposed
Speaker 1: to be connected or if it was just disgroup. Did
Speaker 1: their's over here, you know, nobody knows. It's yeah, it
Speaker 1: might have made it as you go along. It might
Speaker 1: have been that they left open spots because I knew
Speaker 1: that in the twentieth century somebody would want to put
Speaker 1: a road to there. You know, they were time travelers. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so we don't know if they spoke French. We don't anyway,
Speaker 1: so he let me let me run down at a
Speaker 1: real quick list of the theories for what they were.
Speaker 1: One is that they were pathways between temples, giant temples,
Speaker 1: which is sense disappeared. That's weird to me that well, yeah,
Speaker 1: because where the where the temples go. Well, also it
Speaker 1: seems like a lot of work, Like I know that
Speaker 1: prehistoric like the societies of the past, and I guess,
Speaker 1: you know, to be fair, modern societies to put a
Speaker 1: lot of stock in their religious whatever, but you would
Speaker 1: think they would put more work into their places of
Speaker 1: worship usually, right, and the road up to that, yeah,
Speaker 1: well you know, I actually have an idea on that,
Speaker 1: which is if you think about a culture that is
Speaker 1: based hundred years before the birth of Christ and somehow
Speaker 1: they know how to make stone, well they may be
Speaker 1: one of those cultures that is very um connected to
Speaker 1: nature's is the way I'm trying to say it almost
Speaker 1: like something like that, yes, or you know, the same
Speaker 1: way that the American Indians viewed it, and so their
Speaker 1: place of worship may not have been a construct as
Speaker 1: much of as an open space of nature to look
Speaker 1: at the stars and all of that, or like maybe
Speaker 1: it was like a labyrinth this is a thing of
Speaker 1: Native American cultures. How you kind of celebrate as you
Speaker 1: have this, this labyrinths that you build out of stones,
Speaker 1: and how one of the ways you find this, like
Speaker 1: inner pieces, you go out to the forest where your
Speaker 1: labyrinth is and you walk your labyrinth a couple of times,
Speaker 1: and that's how you like celebrate your spirituality. So I
Speaker 1: guess that's possible that it is more about the journey
Speaker 1: than the destination, if you won't yeah something like that.
Speaker 1: I mean again, I'm I'm spitballing here, but I could
Speaker 1: just see that everybody else's spitball Yeah. The path just
Speaker 1: seems weird. Yeah, that's fair alright. Well, so anyway, another
Speaker 1: theory is at their giant paper weights. I just made
Speaker 1: that one up. God the God. Uh there was there's one.
Speaker 1: There was one local legend that it was a leegion
Speaker 1: of Roman soldiers who were turned to stone, alternatively by
Speaker 1: Merlin the Magician or by God. Yeah, one or the other,
Speaker 1: because they were a miss of avalon about that one
Speaker 1: points for anyone who knows that. So yeah, I guess
Speaker 1: the really really huge soldiers were out front and the
Speaker 1: really tiny ones weren't back are in the back, I guess, yeah,
Speaker 1: so they were chasing St. Cornelius and so they got
Speaker 1: their come up. And anyway, that's not really a scientific theory,
Speaker 1: that's just that's more of a local legend, that's an
Speaker 1: urban legend. Yeah, let's be fair here. Uh. Some people
Speaker 1: have said that possibly could be some sort of astronomical observatory,
Speaker 1: something on the lines of Stonehenge and some other There's
Speaker 1: a lot of other ancient peoples in my background this
Speaker 1: time that build all kinds of astronomical, astronomically oriented structures,
Speaker 1: and it was to predict things like slips and stuff
Speaker 1: to keep track of the seasons, you know, seasons and
Speaker 1: all that stuff. And possibly I don't know how you
Speaker 1: would use just to predicting the eclipse, but you know,
Speaker 1: I mean I'm not an astronopt and you know what
Speaker 1: I was just going to say, well, does it align
Speaker 1: with the stars anyway? And then I realized that, like
Speaker 1: that long ago different Yeah there were, and so okay,
Speaker 1: so that okay, yeah, there really isn't all that the
Speaker 1: one week spot I find in this theory. It's it's
Speaker 1: always possible. That seems to be one of the leading
Speaker 1: reasons people did that kind of thing back in the days.
Speaker 1: But he wouldn't think they would need so many rocks,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, just a handful of rocks would suffice. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, like like Stonehange. I mean, if you were
Speaker 1: going to do a Stonehenge type of function, you don't
Speaker 1: need to have thousands and thousands of rocks to do it,
Speaker 1: just a couple of big ones. Alternately, there are other,
Speaker 1: you know, ancient observatories around that are just like thousands
Speaker 1: and thousands of small like a man could feasibly pick
Speaker 1: that up with his two arms, right, it could be
Speaker 1: the difference between feet and meters. Though in the way
Speaker 1: that they did their their math, you never know they
Speaker 1: had a different system. Yeah. So anyway, the astronomical observatory,
Speaker 1: it's like the juris the jury is out on that one.
Speaker 1: And again there's like there's no there's no predominant theory
Speaker 1: in this whole thing. Another one, this is this is
Speaker 1: one I considered to be kind of kind of weak,
Speaker 1: is that it was an ancient earthquake detector because yeah,
Speaker 1: and I'm sorry that that doesn't hold water explain what
Speaker 1: this is supposed to be. Yeah, So like if you
Speaker 1: see the if these things are out in the big field.
Speaker 1: If you see the rocks starting to starting to quiver
Speaker 1: and wave around a little bit, you know, then you
Speaker 1: like it. But you could feel it by then, yeah,
Speaker 1: exactly exactly what about it is? So you got so
Speaker 1: you got somebody hanging out there, keep an eye on
Speaker 1: the earthquake detector, and so he sees it. He sees
Speaker 1: this happening, so he heads off, or maybe he sends
Speaker 1: people off to all the different villages to warn the
Speaker 1: impending earthquake, and of course, you know, by the time
Speaker 1: they get there, the villages have been leveled. But when
Speaker 1: I when I read this theory, my initial thought was, oh,
Speaker 1: like dominoes, Yeah, all right, like the like the little
Speaker 1: one would like knock over and be like the first
Speaker 1: and they would just like knock each other over, and
Speaker 1: then like everybody would know there was an earthquake over there,
Speaker 1: and you know, the dominoes fall faster than the earthquake ship.
Speaker 1: But that's not you know actually that but you know
Speaker 1: what that that gives me an idea. You know, maybe
Speaker 1: that's why they started making him shorter so they wouldn't
Speaker 1: knock each other over. Yeah, yeah, it's like, hey, you know,
Speaker 1: we just had to put those things back up, either
Speaker 1: space them a little further apart or make them shorter. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Another one. This is one to create a geomagnetic field.
Speaker 1: This is This is on a website, and this is like,
Speaker 1: I think a little silly, and so this is like
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna read an excerpt from this. Okay. The
Speaker 1: people who built Carnac must have been highly knowledgeable with
Speaker 1: the Earth's energy fields. According to a concept noticing world
Speaker 1: grid theory, certain places on our planet contained higher magnetic
Speaker 1: forces than others. Yeah, I know, an interesting coincidence for
Speaker 1: all the megalithic structures where we have around the Earth
Speaker 1: are place at specific points that could be harnessing an
Speaker 1: ancient world energy grid. Uh. Yeah, anyway, let me skip
Speaker 1: a little bit here. Energy feels different there. The ancient
Speaker 1: stone monuments were built to harness that force and that
Speaker 1: potential to create a funnel like vortex. Uh. And the
Speaker 1: combination of geomagnetic properties and the unique shapes of the
Speaker 1: stones themselves have allowed ancient builders to actually manipulate gravity. Yes,
Speaker 1: so where did this knowledge come from? You know about
Speaker 1: the Oregon wartax right? Yeah? Yeah, the mystery spot that's
Speaker 1: you know, an alignment of magnet of lines. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I just learned about this recently. I you know, I've
Speaker 1: been a couple of times and like the first time
Speaker 1: it was whatever. But no, I this is apparently a
Speaker 1: predominant theory in like the vortex theory community right now,
Speaker 1: that like they're just areas that are like that, and
Speaker 1: that they'll make people sick. And oh, there's all kinds
Speaker 1: of great theories. Okay, so I have a question for you.
Speaker 1: This also kicks into one of the theories, which is
Speaker 1: you were profiting, profiting and profering at the beginning about
Speaker 1: we don't know what happened to the people who lived there,
Speaker 1: and if I understand correctly, there's no there's no evidence
Speaker 1: left behind who they are or any any remains. Is
Speaker 1: that right? Yeah? And uh, but apparently, uh, sea levels
Speaker 1: were a lot lower in those days, about thirty feet lowers,
Speaker 1: so any villages most probably most of their most of
Speaker 1: their villages would have been on the shoreline or near
Speaker 1: near the shore line, so they probably are underwater now.
Speaker 1: But you're still there's still you would think there'd be
Speaker 1: some structures up on the hills. Well, that's I think
Speaker 1: that's something I read those that based on how long
Speaker 1: ago this was. I mean we're talking anywhere from what
Speaker 1: four to seven thousand years ago somewhere in that ballpark
Speaker 1: more than that, right, because it was three thousand, it
Speaker 1: would have been it would have been five thousand to
Speaker 1: seven thousand something like that. Yeah, so a long time ago. Long. Well,
Speaker 1: the problem is is that even bones don't last that long,
Speaker 1: and so they break down and there's no evidence in
Speaker 1: what the barrows is that what they're called a lot
Speaker 1: of those, Yeah, they've gone into them and there's stuff,
Speaker 1: but there's no Well, the soil and the brittany is
Speaker 1: really acidic, right, Yeah, so it'll eat away at bones. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and if I suppose if it would, it would eat
Speaker 1: away and anything else too. Yeah, you know, so I
Speaker 1: need any tools and anything like that. But although you
Speaker 1: think that things like say, if you had like arrowheads, spearheads,
Speaker 1: things like that, you would think that those things would
Speaker 1: I guess you know, the big question here is right
Speaker 1: that like, if they're using granite to build these big stones,
Speaker 1: they're probably using granite to build other things too, And
Speaker 1: they're you know, houses and whatever, and you know, maybe
Speaker 1: they're underwater, but you know that they probably still existed
Speaker 1: somewhere or well, there might still be you know, somewhere
Speaker 1: out in the woods. There might be some old ancient
Speaker 1: villages that are just totally covered over with moss and rocks,
Speaker 1: and so they might be buried in the sea bed
Speaker 1: because silt and everything like knocking down. I mean you
Speaker 1: and you need to remember too that, you know, the
Speaker 1: romantic attraction of ancient ruins is a fairly recent thing
Speaker 1: in human history. Yeah, I till a few hundred years ago,
Speaker 1: we basically dismantled all those things and they built our
Speaker 1: own houses. Yeah, nobody cared, so yeah, yeah, but it
Speaker 1: is interesting that these people came and went without without
Speaker 1: a trace, you know. Anyway, another theory besides this geo
Speaker 1: magnetic field which aliens might use with you know, people
Speaker 1: get used to manipulate gravity or a could use this
Speaker 1: guidance systems to their spacecraft because they hadn't get invented
Speaker 1: invented the sexton apparently, and so they needed to use
Speaker 1: these rocks to get their sophisticated spacecraft. So another another
Speaker 1: one is a random geological occurrence which these things were
Speaker 1: extruded from the Earth and perfect straight lines and I
Speaker 1: don't know, yeah, I feel like we've already just proved that,
Speaker 1: right wait wait, okay, So I just want to I
Speaker 1: just want to make sure I understand this. So when
Speaker 1: I was a kid and I was playing with Plato,
Speaker 1: there was the porky pine toy where you stuck the
Speaker 1: Plato into it and you squeezed and the Plato came
Speaker 1: out and made the little quills. And that's what this
Speaker 1: theory is saying, is that the Earth just extruded him
Speaker 1: out up like he put through a calander or something. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not buying that one. Just make sure I understood
Speaker 1: what that. Yeah. Now, and again given the fact that
Speaker 1: there's markings indicating that these things were quarry and somewhat shape. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what else? There's of course the alien angle. Uh. Somebody
Speaker 1: said pointed out that one of these, one of the
Speaker 1: layouts is in a rectangle, which is a three by
Speaker 1: four rectangle, and that's proportions three by four. I don't
Speaker 1: I don't remember what the three by four by five. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well the five is a diagonal between two corners, any
Speaker 1: two corners of it, which is that sounds like yeah,
Speaker 1: perfect pagan triangle, Yeah, exactly. Yeah, And so that could
Speaker 1: be just an incredible coincidence, or maybe they had actually
Speaker 1: figured out some some things about geometry back in those days.
Speaker 1: And this is many years before the Pythagoras lived. It's
Speaker 1: a long time, a couple hundred years at least. Maybe
Speaker 1: you know, you never know, maybe he stole the idea
Speaker 1: from these guys. Yeah, yeah, so you know. And it's funny,
Speaker 1: is that the alien thing and the perfect triangles and
Speaker 1: all the alignments. I did see something where somebody had
Speaker 1: said that they were basically aliens had told the ancient
Speaker 1: people how to a line at all, because that was
Speaker 1: the landing pad for their giant spaceship. Okay, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: so that's a little silly. But I do want to
Speaker 1: say that there are a lot of reports and in Okay,
Speaker 1: like you if you listen to the show, and you
Speaker 1: guys know me, and I'm generally not like an alien person,
Speaker 1: but I do think that there's a lot of historical
Speaker 1: maybe evidence for aliens visiting Earth in ancient times. And
Speaker 1: you know, this is a thing that I think I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna do a whole show about at some point,
Speaker 1: so everybody stay tuned for that. But I think that,
Speaker 1: like I like ancient aliens a little bit for this
Speaker 1: that you know, I don't think for like a landing pad,
Speaker 1: so they could land like whatever, They could land anywhere, probably, right,
Speaker 1: But I do think that, you know, there's some miniscule
Speaker 1: like marble of a idea and the idea that you know,
Speaker 1: aliens visited ancient civilizations. Well you should see you see
Speaker 1: the documentary Aliens Versus Predator. There's another documentary series called
Speaker 1: our Gate. Yeah, all of those. Yeah, yeah, so anyway,
Speaker 1: but anyway, so yeah, but the you know, another another
Speaker 1: variant on that is that you create a perfect sweet
Speaker 1: by four rectangle and then did the aliens tell them
Speaker 1: how to do it? And and and then they do it,
Speaker 1: and the aliens saying, well, we left our calling cards.
Speaker 1: Sooner or later, somebody's going to figure out that, hey,
Speaker 1: don primative people couldn't have figured this out, must be aliens.
Speaker 1: But of course, at that point, really is why, you know,
Speaker 1: are they just trying to tweak us? Um? I mean?
Speaker 1: Because so what I mean, I mean you need to
Speaker 1: leave us like a walkie talkie so you can actually
Speaker 1: get on the horn with you and talk to you. Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's another little tidbit of my like whole big theories
Speaker 1: like maybe they intended to come back, yeah, and maybe
Speaker 1: they will. Um, you never know. Is this that Jodie
Speaker 1: Foster movie Contact? Is that what we're doing here? Now?
Speaker 1: We're not doing that. The aliens done, I've done what
Speaker 1: you know what? I think we have gone over all
Speaker 1: of all of them. We're talking about the Road of
Speaker 1: the Temples and necropolis and astronomical observatory, earthquake detector, geomagnetic
Speaker 1: field to harness, magic energy and defied gravity, echine aliens
Speaker 1: and echine aliens and random geological currencies. This, this, to
Speaker 1: the best of my knowledge, sums up all of the
Speaker 1: possible explanations. To me, the necropolis idea sounds the most compelling,
Speaker 1: although his whole theory about ten confederated Neolithic tribes that's
Speaker 1: a little weak. So okay, wait, so can somebody explain
Speaker 1: to me they go and they descend in height, right,
Speaker 1: Is there like a center point like that's the highest
Speaker 1: and they descend outwards or is that just the corner
Speaker 1: They go from one corner down to the other corner
Speaker 1: of the opposite opposite diagonal. So okay, so imagine that. Sorry,
Speaker 1: there's directangle in front of you. Right, let's just say
Speaker 1: that we've got a we'll just do this north, south, east,
Speaker 1: and west. Just make it easy so everybody can follow along.
Speaker 1: So the north west corner has the tallest stone, the
Speaker 1: southeast corner has the shortest stone. So from north to
Speaker 1: east they slope down, and from north to south they
Speaker 1: slope down, so they make a general gradation in that direction.
Speaker 1: What about if we're going to assume this is one
Speaker 1: big giant thing, like there's something still buried under the ground. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: I mean like if this is meant to be, like
Speaker 1: if all of the different sites interconnected all the same thing.
Speaker 1: Does that pattern hold true throughout the whole thing? Is
Speaker 1: there like one that's in the center that's much taller?
Speaker 1: Do we know? Even I don't. I don't know. It's
Speaker 1: it's it's really hard to say it to you because
Speaker 1: quite a few of the stones have been removed at
Speaker 1: various points, and and a lot and they haven't been
Speaker 1: carefully guarded. They've been there for thousands of years, so
Speaker 1: and like I said, it's only very recently in history
Speaker 1: that we've got this idea that we should preserve stuff
Speaker 1: like this so there's roads through them. It's notoriously to
Speaker 1: make the what is the stones that were stacked up
Speaker 1: into a grave? Would you call that again? All the
Speaker 1: men here or without the dirt on the dirt on top?
Speaker 1: That is, so the dolmans are have been used as
Speaker 1: chicken coops and places to keep your sheep when it rains.
Speaker 1: Got it? Okay, So they haven't been treated well. I
Speaker 1: was going to say, if they were like just lines
Speaker 1: that come towards like a center meeting point. What if
Speaker 1: they were the tribes coming together and like making like
Speaker 1: small offerings and bigger and bigger and bigger every time,
Speaker 1: and they meet in the middle and they have their
Speaker 1: biggest offering of stones to each other. But that theory
Speaker 1: doesn't hold. I just felt like I needed to share it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would. Any of all theories are appreciated. So who
Speaker 1: the heck knows? So Joe likes the acropolis theory, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I I go with the tribes. I don't think that
Speaker 1: it was necessarily X number of tribes, but I think
Speaker 1: they are grave markers. It seems to make the most
Speaker 1: sense to me. It's definitely not seismic. I mean I
Speaker 1: like Aliens definitely. No, I think you know Aliens was standing.
Speaker 1: I think that yeah, grave marker, not grave markers, but
Speaker 1: death markers monuments. That makes sense, Yeah, I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think if aliens aliens, we're not involved with it,
Speaker 1: they would have like you know, brought up a cool lasery,
Speaker 1: rock cutting tools and in a beautiful, beautiful, perfect key
Speaker 1: stuff that exist in other historic Yeah. Well with those,
Speaker 1: well yeah, that's for another show. Okay. So anyway, Um,
Speaker 1: so I guess that I concludes our presentation with Unfortunately
Speaker 1: this is probably the first time we haven't solved the mystery.
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