1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:03,520 Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:04,400 Speaker 1: Sports Radio. 3 00:00:04,640 --> 00:00:09,720 Speaker 2: Ten billion dollars? Why now? Genie Buss the family sells 4 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:13,120 Speaker 2: the Lakers to Mark Walter, the part of the Dodger 5 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:18,040 Speaker 2: ownership for ten billion dollars, Dan Wiki. He is the 6 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:22,919 Speaker 2: Lakers beat writer La Times joining us on the program. Dan, 7 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:26,720 Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us. Why sell? Why sell now? 8 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 3: The only answer I've been able to come up with 9 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 3: at this point is ten billion dollars. That's the answer, 10 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 3: and it's it's an interesting thing because that'll be the 11 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:42,839 Speaker 3: thing that we learn here over the next few weeks, 12 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:45,080 Speaker 3: few months and stuff. No one from the Lakers is 13 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:49,960 Speaker 3: still set a peep about this, right match Johnson kind 14 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 3: of was the de facto spoke person. He's the person 15 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 3: that has, you know, hands in the Mark Walter cap. 16 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 3: Obviously very close to Genie Buss. So we don't totally 17 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:00,080 Speaker 3: know why. Here's what we do know. We know that 18 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 3: to sell the team the way that the ownership thing 19 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:06,480 Speaker 3: is structured, after doctor Jerry Buss died, a majority of 20 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:10,760 Speaker 3: his six children needed to vote to sell, and that 21 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:16,760 Speaker 3: majority never existed until yesterday. So that that is I 22 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 3: think the interesting thing, right, is that always Genie was 23 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:23,760 Speaker 3: running the team. You know, Jim was involved with the team. 24 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 3: He was the sort of executive Bath Operations famously tried 25 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 3: to sue his sister to try to like wrestle control 26 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:33,639 Speaker 3: of the team in twenty seventeen. The older siblings Johnny 27 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 3: and Janey not that involved. And you know, but but 28 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:40,760 Speaker 3: Joey Buss runs the you know, Salta team, Jesse Buss 29 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:42,679 Speaker 3: involved in the scouting department. These are people that have 30 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 3: day to day roles with the organization, and you know, 31 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 3: so I think that's kind of what what we're learning 32 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 3: here a little bit is sort of how this played 33 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 3: out that way. It's an interesting not to get like 34 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 3: weigh in the weeds on like trust law, but it's 35 00:01:57,280 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 3: an interesting like part of the way their ownership was 36 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 3: structured was always sort of inevitable. The way the deal 37 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 3: is structured. Dan was that you know, this to sound morbid, 38 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 3: and I apologize, but if the oldest Bus sibling were 39 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:12,520 Speaker 3: to die, it's not like those shares go to next 40 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 3: of kin. The tie just gets smaller. It goes from 41 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 3: being cut six ways to being cut five ways, and 42 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 3: then it goes to being cut four ways, and it 43 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 3: keeps getting smaller. And smaller and smaller, sort of a 44 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 3: last person standing type of situation, you know, and these 45 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 3: are people genies in her mid sixties and stuff like that. 46 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 3: It just it's a lot of money, Dan, it's a 47 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 3: lot of money. 48 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:35,960 Speaker 2: What's it mean for the Laker fan? 49 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 3: I think it's probably good news. It's a little less charming, right. 50 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 3: I think that was one of the things about the 51 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 3: Laker organization, especially if you were around the team and 52 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 3: you're a fan who goes to games and you see, 53 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 3: you know, Genie bus and you could used to be 54 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:53,639 Speaker 3: able to tweet it her a lot when she was 55 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 3: really active on social media. It was like very She's 56 00:02:56,600 --> 00:03:00,519 Speaker 3: a very public person. I mean, it's a family business. 57 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 3: It truly is a family business, and I think it 58 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:06,959 Speaker 3: will lose that And I'm not sure that's like good 59 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 3: in total for a league that is losing this all 60 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 3: the time because the money is just getting bigger and 61 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:15,639 Speaker 3: bigger and bigger. But I mean, I think we can 62 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 3: it's fair to look to the Dodgers, right, And I'm 63 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 3: not I'm not suggesting they're going to pay sho hey 64 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 3: o Tani, you know, tw million dollars to play center 65 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 3: next season, Like that's not how this really works. 66 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:26,680 Speaker 4: In the NBA. 67 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 3: But what you can do is you can pour that 68 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 3: money into everything else. You can pour that money into 69 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 3: your bench, you can pour that money int your analytics department. 70 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 3: You can pour that money into development, pour that money 71 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 3: into the arena. You know, the Lakers. That's another crazy 72 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 3: part of this deal, Dan, The Lakers don't own property. 73 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 3: It is like a brand, right, that is what you're 74 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 3: buying a lot of times when these evaluations come up 75 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 3: for teams, it's you know, they own their arena. Part 76 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 3: of the Warriors evaluation is they've got a huge piece 77 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 3: of real estate, you know, right on the Bay. That's 78 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 3: not the Lakers. The Lakers are at least the play 79 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 3: inside of Crypto dot com. Like, so this is a 80 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 3: deal for the brand. But I think it's fair to 81 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 3: think that Mark Walter, the way that they've operated the Dodgers, 82 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 3: they're going to pour money into this in all the 83 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 3: places they can to give the team the best chance 84 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 3: to win consistently. 85 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:17,480 Speaker 2: But you know, in baseball, you can overspend, you can spend, yes, 86 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 2: but you can't outspend. I mean, you know the Golden 87 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 2: State Warriors did there for a while where they didn't 88 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 2: care about the luxury tax. 89 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:27,479 Speaker 3: But and then they changed the rules. Yes, right, yeah, 90 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:30,599 Speaker 3: and so yeah, I think I think that part of 91 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:35,840 Speaker 3: it is overstated, right, Like, look, the Lakers were in 92 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 3: the luxury tax. They're repeatedly in the luxury tax. You 93 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 3: can point to a couple of times in recent history 94 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 3: where maybe they cheaped out on something famously kind of 95 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 3: Alex Caruso is like one of those things. And obviously 96 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 3: that was bad decision, I think. But I mean they're paying. 97 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:55,360 Speaker 3: They're not afraid to fire coaches and keep paying salaries. 98 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 3: I mean, it feels like we do that every two 99 00:04:57,320 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 3: years out here right now, you know. But that's not 100 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 3: the issue. I will say, when you talk to people 101 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:07,600 Speaker 3: about the Lakers organization around the NBA, generally speaking, the thing, 102 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 3: the sort of really direct way people describe that is 103 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 3: it's a place that does the big things really well 104 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 3: and the small things really poorly, and the small things 105 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:20,919 Speaker 3: like they've been getting better at some of the smaller things. 106 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 3: But I think it's fair to point to infrastructure when 107 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 3: you talk about small things and like things like beefing 108 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:31,279 Speaker 3: up a scouting department, you know, putting more money into that, 109 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 3: putting more people on the road stuff like that. You know, 110 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 3: that's where, especially the way the second Apron structured, you've 111 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:40,719 Speaker 3: got to hit on your minimum signings. You have to 112 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 3: hit when you don't have draft picks, you have to 113 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:45,040 Speaker 3: hit on your secon ground picks. They've drafted pretty well. 114 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 3: They've done well with the college cutting. Their prost cutting 115 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:49,920 Speaker 3: needs to get much much better. And I think that's 116 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:51,599 Speaker 3: a place where Mark Walter can put a lot of 117 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:53,480 Speaker 3: money into it, and I think you can see a difference. 118 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 2: Talking to Dan Woike, the Lakers beat writer for the 119 00:05:56,920 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 2: LA Times, what kind of moves in the off season 120 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 2: with the Lakers do you see? 121 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I didn't see new owner. I do see 122 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:09,719 Speaker 3: new center. I think new center is the is the 123 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:12,479 Speaker 3: most obvious one I know. You know the Lakers have 124 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 3: spoken with Luka Doncic multiple times kind of what that 125 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:19,839 Speaker 3: could look like. They know that's a position he needs, 126 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:23,480 Speaker 3: they know that's a position they need. Right It's an 127 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 3: interesting kind of team building exercise for them because they 128 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:30,040 Speaker 3: don't have a ton of assets. Stop me, if you 129 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 3: heard this before about the Lakers. They need to get 130 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 3: better and they don't have a ton of ways to 131 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:36,479 Speaker 3: get there. They have a first round pick, that they 132 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 3: can trade either in twenty thirty one or twenty thirty two. 133 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 3: They have Dalton connect the first round pick from last year. 134 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 3: They've got some pick swops. This is I mean, this 135 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 3: is what they traded for Mark Williams before they saw 136 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:52,239 Speaker 3: the physical right, So they have some stuff. I would 137 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 3: be looking at centers like kind of like Mark Williams 138 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:58,720 Speaker 3: around the NBA, those that has been sort of their type, right, 139 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 3: So like Jalen and Ayaka Conglu in Atlanta, Walker Kessler 140 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:06,279 Speaker 3: in Utah. These are people that I think they're going 141 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 3: to try and target young senators who kind of fit 142 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 3: the next future. Now, whether or not any of these 143 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 3: players are available, Dan another thing, and do the Lakers, 144 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 3: you know, if you're not available, Like, do the Lakers 145 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 3: have a ten billion dollar offer to make for Walker Kessler? 146 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 3: They don't, you know, unless they're going to trade Austin Reeves, 147 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 3: and they've shown no indication that they are going to 148 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 3: trade Austin Reeves. They believe in Austin Reeves. Lukatdagg believes 149 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 3: in Austin Reeves. The best Dallas Maverick teams with Lukadacic 150 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 3: had three things. Generally, they had a good center they 151 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 3: had Athletic Wings, and they had a secondary playmaker Kyrie 152 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 3: Irving Jalen Brunson. So in neither of those guys are 153 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 3: Tony Allen either, right when it comes to like locking 154 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 3: guys down on the perimeter so it can work. I 155 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 3: think that is sort of where they're at in terms 156 00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 3: of trying to figure this out. Athletic Wings definitely. 157 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 2: A big What about Lebron's future? 158 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 3: I mean, boy, you know, well, we know he's not 159 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 3: retiring via Amazon commercial. He put that to bed, you know, 160 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 3: tease that out last week. He's gonna be back. You know, 161 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 3: I think he is good enough to keep playing. He 162 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 3: has the player option at the end of this month, 163 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 3: early signs where that he would accept it. He may 164 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 3: opt out and resign as an unrestricted free agent and 165 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 3: again kind of play this sort of signed me for 166 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:36,680 Speaker 3: a two year extension, give me an option on the 167 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:40,679 Speaker 3: back of that. You know, it's all signed points and 168 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 3: finishing his career as a Laker, and he's not done. 169 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 3: He was an All NBA player last year, played some 170 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 3: of the best defense I've seen him play as a Laker. 171 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 3: For a stretch, kind of that January to March stretch, 172 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 3: then got hurt. I think the knee injury Dan is 173 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:56,719 Speaker 3: an interesting injury. It's an interesting thing for him. He 174 00:08:56,760 --> 00:09:00,160 Speaker 3: hasn't really dealt with something like this. And so you know, 175 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 3: as a forty year old, I'm a guy who woke 176 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 3: up this morning with a sore elbow. Somehow like this 177 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 3: happens at age Dan, And yeah, you know, I think 178 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 3: he's gonna take his time and get to one hundred percent. 179 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 3: It's but yeah, I mean, e's a part of their plans. 180 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 2: Good to talk to you. I know you're on vacation, 181 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 2: but I don't know if you're ever truly the surface 182 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 2: of the sun here in Scottsdale, Arizona. 183 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:25,840 Speaker 3: Dan, it's it's a two and fifty degrees. 184 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 2: You're not truly on vacation if you cover the Lakers. 185 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 2: Never never, not allowed to be Thank you, Dan, thankes 186 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 2: that Dan Witki. 187 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 188 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 1: the nation. Catch all of our shows at foxsports Radio 189 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 1: dot com and within the iHeartRadio app search FSR to 190 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 1: listen live. 191 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 2: Brendan Haywood won a championship with the Mavericks. He works 192 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:54,599 Speaker 2: for NBA TV. Should I read into that? Brendon that 193 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 2: Tyrese Haliburton isn't part of the promotional aspect of Game six. 194 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 4: I think you can. 195 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 5: I'm not saying definitely for sure, but there probably is 196 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:07,200 Speaker 5: a little bit of skepticism on the pacer side. 197 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:09,320 Speaker 4: This is their superstar. 198 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:13,560 Speaker 5: We're talking about a calf type injury, and anytime you 199 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 5: start going to that caf type injury and trying to 200 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:17,320 Speaker 5: play through it, you have to think all the way 201 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:18,319 Speaker 5: back to what happened. 202 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 4: To Kevin Durant when he played through. 203 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 5: His And sometimes even though it's the NBA Finals, even 204 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 5: though it's a huge moment, you have to think big 205 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:28,439 Speaker 5: picture and if this is a serious calf injury, you 206 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:30,080 Speaker 5: do not want a calf injury to turn. 207 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 4: Into something a lot more serious. 208 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 5: I'm not one hundred percent sure, but there's definitely conversations 209 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:37,440 Speaker 5: being had right now about Tyre's Halliburn's health because he 210 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 5: did not look right in Game five. 211 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:41,680 Speaker 2: Could you see a scenario where he doesn't play tonight. 212 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 4: Yes. 213 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 5: If he goes out there and he tests the calf 214 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 5: and he can't move well, then you have to shut 215 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 5: him down, no matter how big the game is. If 216 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 5: we go back to what happened earlier in these playoffs. 217 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:55,840 Speaker 5: I'm sure Steph Curry wanted to play. It's Grade one 218 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:58,560 Speaker 5: and a half hamstring injury. You have to protect the player, 219 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 5: sometimes from himself, and you have to think about long 220 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:04,960 Speaker 5: term of what could happen if you come back and 221 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 5: you're not right and you do more damage to a 222 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:07,840 Speaker 5: soft tissue. 223 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:11,080 Speaker 2: Injury could be a good thing for the Pacers if 224 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 2: he doesn't. 225 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:14,680 Speaker 4: Play, Absolutely not, absolutely not. 226 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 5: They need Tyre's Halliburn man, and they need him healthy too, 227 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 5: not just out. 228 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:20,320 Speaker 4: There with his jersey on. 229 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 5: They need him out there creating a problem, pushing tempo, 230 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 5: getting in the pick and roll, getting downhill, getting. 231 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 4: Two feet in the paint. 232 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:30,440 Speaker 5: He doesn't always have to score it, but he has 233 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 5: to be a part of the problem. And if he's 234 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 5: not right or not able to play, it's going to 235 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:37,720 Speaker 5: be really tough. Just look at what this OKC team 236 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 5: is done defensively as far as turning the Pacers over, 237 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:43,439 Speaker 5: Think about how many turnover Think about how me turnovers 238 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:44,479 Speaker 5: they'll have they'll. 239 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 4: Force if Tyre's Halliburn doesn't play. 240 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:48,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, but if I have TJ McConnell out there handling 241 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:51,599 Speaker 2: the ball, then I keep it away from nemhard and 242 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 2: Nie Smith because they were a turnover you know, they 243 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 2: were turning the ball over there, and I wonder, I 244 00:11:56,960 --> 00:11:59,320 Speaker 2: don't want him out there if he's fifty or sixty percent, 245 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 2: you to be a hero and be it. And he 246 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 2: was a detriment to the team in the second half 247 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:07,439 Speaker 2: of that last game. I was surprised that Rick Carlisle 248 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 2: put him out there. You're down double digits at halftime. 249 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 5: Well, you also have to understand guys get used to 250 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:17,560 Speaker 5: certain things, and you look at you look at a 251 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:21,680 Speaker 5: guy like nim Hard, Nie Smith, more importantly, TJ McConnell. 252 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 5: You just brought him up. He's used to playing a 253 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 5: certain amount of minutes. He plays with a certain level 254 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:30,200 Speaker 5: of energy. He's always pushing and probing. He's not used 255 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 5: to playing forty minutes, forty five minutes, and so like 256 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:38,320 Speaker 5: he's exhausted after that third quarter he was he's tired. 257 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 5: So now it's like, Okay, we're trying to get Halliburton. 258 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 5: Then maybe we'll get McConnell back in the game. But 259 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:47,079 Speaker 5: the problem with Halliburton not playing is that it puts 260 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 5: everybody in a different role. So now you look at 261 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 5: a guy like TJ. 262 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 4: McConnell. 263 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 5: Instead of him being the energy guy. Now he has 264 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 5: to come in and start right away. Now who's going 265 00:12:57,280 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 5: to be the point guard behind him? Now we're getting 266 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 5: even deeper into the pacers bench, and that's what the 267 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 5: problem is. But I do agree with you, if Haller 268 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 5: Burdon is fifty percent, he should He probably shouldn't go 269 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:07,959 Speaker 5: out there because he probably can't help the team. 270 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 2: Who does SGA remind you of? 271 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:16,320 Speaker 5: He not apples for apples, but if you look at 272 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:17,680 Speaker 5: what he does in the mid range, a lot of 273 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 5: times he has the footwork of Kobe. I'm not saying 274 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 5: he's Kobe. I don't want to pay on Twitter coming 275 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:24,560 Speaker 5: from me. I know, I know how people how sensitive 276 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:27,720 Speaker 5: people get about their stars from back in the day. 277 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:30,840 Speaker 5: But when you look at the footwork, the up and unders, 278 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 5: the pump fakes and everything else, he reminds me of Kobe, 279 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 5: and he lives in that mid range like a Kobe. 280 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 5: Kobe wasn't really a great three point shoot if you 281 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 5: look at the numbers, but man, what he did in 282 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:42,720 Speaker 5: the mid range with special and that's kind of what 283 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 5: Sga reminds me of, but a new school version because 284 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:48,320 Speaker 5: he's more he's like a point guard as well. 285 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 2: And Moan Schumpert was with us yesterday and he said, 286 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 2: Kobe as well. 287 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:54,080 Speaker 4: I mean it's easy to see. 288 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 5: I mean there's some there's some there's some video out there, 289 00:13:57,440 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 5: the footwork side by side, and you're like, wow, it's scary. 290 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 5: You can tell that he studied Kobe Bryant. He watched 291 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:08,319 Speaker 5: a lot of what Kobe does, and he's just perfected 292 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 5: that mid range game. Shout out to Sam Cassell who 293 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 5: actually started him down that path his rookie year when 294 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:16,079 Speaker 5: he was with the Clippers, and Sam was one of 295 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:17,840 Speaker 5: the best mid range guys from back in the day. 296 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:20,359 Speaker 4: And Sga has always worked. 297 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 5: On his mid range game ever since Sam Cassell put 298 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 5: him in that space, and it's really really showing today. 299 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:33,440 Speaker 2: So you played with Lebron, played with Michael, played against Kobe? Yeah, 300 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 2: how would how would you assess those players? 301 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 4: All great players. 302 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 5: Kobe and Michael are winning the same as far as game, mentality, 303 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 5: everything else. Lebron is a different entity, not better, not worse, 304 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 5: but his thought process and how he sees the game 305 00:14:56,040 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 5: is different. Kobe and Michael Carbon copies Lebron. Lebron is different. 306 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 5: And even how he from the way he plays the game, 307 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 5: the way he sees the game, the way he goes 308 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 5: about things on and off the court. You know, Michael, 309 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 5: Michael and Kobe are cutthroat. You know, if you ain't 310 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 5: if you can't help Michael Jordan win, he really ain't 311 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 5: got no time for I'm trying to tell you I 312 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 5: saw that first hand. 313 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 4: If you can't help Michael Jordan win basketball. 314 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 5: Game, he don't have any time for you, and he 315 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 5: will say it directly to your face. Lebron James is 316 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 5: a little bit more diplomatic. He might send you a 317 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 5: subtle a subtle message. He might try to see if 318 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 5: you'll slowly pick it up. And I got to see 319 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 5: that first hand with him and Kyrie Irving and Dion Waiters, 320 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 5: and he he was trying to coach them to see 321 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 5: if they would eventually figure out how to win at 322 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 5: this level. 323 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 4: Mike's not that tight. 324 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 2: But we keep trying to make that comparison or that 325 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 2: argument and it's Michael, it's Lebron. Can you make a 326 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 2: case that Kobe is every bit the equal that Michael 327 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 2: is and then maybe he should be involved in that 328 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 2: discussion as well. 329 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 4: Man, Dan, you're gonna get me a trouble. 330 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 5: You know, you know how sensitive people are about their guy. 331 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 5: I love Kobe Bryant, rest in peace. One of the 332 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 5: best players that I ever played against. But when you 333 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 5: start nitpicking the stars, you probably can't put Kobe in 334 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 5: the same level as Michael and Lebron when you look 335 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 5: at the total MVPs, when you look at just even 336 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 5: when you look at the finals, go you have to 337 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 5: go look at some of Kobe's earlies, finals performances against 338 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 5: the nets that wasn't really great. 339 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 4: You know, he had big fellow with him early on 340 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 4: in his career. 341 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 5: I mean that that counts for a lot when you 342 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 5: got the when you got the big dog in there, 343 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 5: he was the Shaq was the MVP of the first 344 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 5: three finals. 345 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 4: So I love Kobe. 346 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 5: He is top ten for sure, But I think when 347 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 5: you talk about the best three players of all time, 348 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 5: it's actually not it's Mike Brown and Kareem. 349 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 2: In my opinion, yeah, Kareem might be the greatest player 350 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:05,120 Speaker 2: of all time. If I factor in high school, college, 351 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 2: in the NBA, he might be the greatest greatest player. 352 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:13,480 Speaker 2: You know, single handedly had a move that was unstoppable 353 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:17,480 Speaker 2: and he won everywhere that he went and I kind 354 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 2: of find him underrated. Brandon, it's weird to say that 355 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:24,639 Speaker 2: we kind of forget because Kareem won a title and 356 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 2: it really wasn't you know when when Larry and Magic 357 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 2: came in, that's when TV started, and then Mike came in, 358 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 2: and you know, it just changed the NBA. Those who 359 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:36,560 Speaker 2: played prior to that, some of those championships and their 360 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:37,719 Speaker 2: greatness was lost. 361 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:40,720 Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, like I said, Kareem, you know, he 362 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 5: had the championship in Milwaukee. Then, like you talked about. 363 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:47,879 Speaker 4: Magic and Larry took the game to another level. 364 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 5: And then you also have to look at the fact 365 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:52,959 Speaker 5: that Kareem wasn't loved by the media, so he doesn't 366 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:56,200 Speaker 5: get he never got the same push, you know, And 367 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:57,200 Speaker 5: so it's different now. 368 00:17:57,240 --> 00:17:59,520 Speaker 4: There was no Internet and there was no Twitter or 369 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 4: anything else like that. 370 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 5: Media had to push you to a certain degree, and 371 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:06,160 Speaker 5: Kareem didn't have that love, so he didn't get pushed 372 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:08,639 Speaker 5: quite like some of the other stars back in the day. 373 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:09,439 Speaker 4: Yeah, don't get it twisted. 374 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:10,960 Speaker 2: Like you said, that's a good point. 375 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 4: Was unstoppable. 376 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great point that Kareem didn't care if 377 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 2: you liked him and he didn't go out of his 378 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 2: way to curry favorite. We're talking to Brendan Haywood. He's 379 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 2: working for NBA TV. You were a teammate of Dirk 380 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:27,359 Speaker 2: Noavisky his forty seventh birthday to day. 381 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 5: Oh Man, Happy birthday, dirt getting oh Man, I know that. 382 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 2: What's your favorite Dirk Novitsky story? 383 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:38,080 Speaker 4: My favorite Dirk story? 384 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 2: And how many news did you take to your chest 385 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 2: when you were trying to guard him with that fade 386 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 2: away jumper of his. 387 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:49,479 Speaker 4: I never really, you know what, he never really had 388 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:50,160 Speaker 4: a meeting in the chest. 389 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 5: He used to just get in my body and fade away, 390 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:53,480 Speaker 5: and it used to just frustrate me that he would 391 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 5: get that jumper off on me. 392 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 4: But I think my favorite Dirk story is. 393 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 5: We're in the NBA Finals. It's before the finals, and 394 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 5: because it was, it's my favorite story because it's not 395 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:10,879 Speaker 5: really who Dirk is. He has that quiet confidence, but 396 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 5: the way he said it made me look at him like, okay, 397 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 5: big fellas really with the smoke and we're taking on 398 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 5: the Big Three and we're talking about the game. We're 399 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 5: in the locker room, we're talking about the matchup. We're 400 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:25,359 Speaker 5: going against the Heatos, obviously Lebron, d Wade, and Chris 401 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:27,919 Speaker 5: Bosh and we're like, yeah, what we're gonna do to 402 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 5: stop the Big Three? And he's just like that ain't 403 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:32,879 Speaker 5: no Big three and we kind of look at him, 404 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 5: We're like, what do you mean. He's like, I'm look 405 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 5: at it like that. If they were really a big 406 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:38,680 Speaker 5: three and offseason, they would have came and got me. 407 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:42,399 Speaker 5: And I was like, okay, because Dirk don't talk like 408 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 5: that so like and he really meant it, and at 409 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 5: that time I didn't know he kind of had like 410 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:50,240 Speaker 5: a simmering beef with d Wade from six. 411 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:52,359 Speaker 4: And the guys kind of caught me up on it, like, yeah, 412 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 4: he don't. 413 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 5: Really have no love for d Wade, And so like 414 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:57,520 Speaker 5: to see Dirk in that space and then to go 415 00:19:57,600 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 5: out there and do what he did. 416 00:19:59,080 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 4: In the finals. 417 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 5: Man, that was That's my favorite Dirk story because him 418 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:05,919 Speaker 5: talking like that is out of character for him, and 419 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 5: I like him in that space. 420 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 2: What's it like when you're behind shack and somebody lobs 421 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:11,359 Speaker 2: it in and you know that he's going to get 422 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 2: the ball and then he's going to turn right into 423 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 2: your chest. 424 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:15,880 Speaker 4: It is the worst fling. 425 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 5: Like it's the worst feeling in the world guarding Prime Shack. 426 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:21,240 Speaker 4: Prime Shack. 427 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 5: I mean dam I because when I first got into 428 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:27,640 Speaker 5: the league, Shack was in LA and then in Miami. Hey, 429 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:29,680 Speaker 5: I never had fun in those cities because I never 430 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:32,640 Speaker 5: went out for the first And God's like, Yo, we're. 431 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:33,200 Speaker 4: Going out to night. 432 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 5: I'm like, I'll see y'all. I got a little something 433 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:37,080 Speaker 5: to deal with tomorrow. 434 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 4: I can't go out. I will be embedded at nine. 435 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:43,159 Speaker 5: O'clock because you have to be ready for Shack. You 436 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 5: have to try to beat him down the court, beat 437 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:47,480 Speaker 5: him to space. But when you answer your question, if 438 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 5: he catches the ball in the paint with two feet 439 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 5: and you're behind him, you better wrap him up. Because 440 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:54,159 Speaker 5: big Fella back in the day was an absolute problem. 441 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 5: He was gonna dunk that thing. And the good thing 442 00:20:57,440 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 5: for me is when I first got into the league, 443 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 5: obviously I played with MJ. So in those games, Kobe 444 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 5: would always be trying to prove a point to MJ. 445 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 5: So Shaq would wasn't even getting the ball as much 446 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:11,719 Speaker 5: then because Kobe was trying to go off like and 447 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 5: so I was like, at least it's not my guy, 448 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:16,679 Speaker 5: you know, I think he hit us for like forty 449 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:18,520 Speaker 5: in like a half in LA one time. 450 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:20,480 Speaker 4: So it was crazy. He was trying to let Mike 451 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:21,680 Speaker 4: know that he's the next one. 452 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 5: So a lot of times Shaq didn't even get to 453 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:25,359 Speaker 5: get the ball sometimes early on in my career. 454 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:27,679 Speaker 2: So Kobe's going at Mike when Mike is at the 455 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 2: end of his career with the Wizards. 456 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 4: Ye. 457 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:34,680 Speaker 5: Actually Stackhouse is guarding Kobe, and I love stack but 458 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:35,199 Speaker 5: there was nothing he. 459 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 4: Could do with Kobe that night. I mean it was 460 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 4: just he was. 461 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:40,920 Speaker 5: On one because you could tell he was He's playing 462 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:43,600 Speaker 5: against Mike, and he wants to let Mike know and 463 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:46,679 Speaker 5: almost kind of like how ant Man wanted to let 464 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:47,879 Speaker 5: Kevin Durant know what. 465 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 4: Was up last year. That's how it was. 466 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:52,199 Speaker 5: But it's just we're watching it and it's we just 467 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 5: can't believe this dude is going. Jerry Stackhouse is playing 468 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:58,400 Speaker 5: excellent defense. Kobe's is just Kobe is just in one 469 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 5: of those zones. Nothing Stacked I can deal with him, 470 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 5: And uh, Kobe, I want to say he dropped four 471 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 5: if it's not forty with thirty five, but between thirty 472 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 5: five and forty and a half on. 473 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 2: Us, what's the best performance you ever witnessed. 474 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:13,760 Speaker 4: Carmelo Anthony sixty points when I played for the Charlotte Hountins. 475 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 4: Did you Carmelo? 476 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:16,160 Speaker 2: Did you guard him? 477 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 6: Oh? 478 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:19,480 Speaker 5: No, Oh no, Mike Gilchris, Oh, you know what, I'm 479 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:21,400 Speaker 5: tripping Tracy McGrady. 480 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:23,679 Speaker 4: I forgot. I forgot Tracy McGrady had I think he 481 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:25,120 Speaker 4: what was Tracy? 482 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:28,879 Speaker 5: It's either Carmelo or Tracy. Tracy had sixty plus on 483 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 5: US two and Carmelo. And that was when Tracy was 484 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:35,919 Speaker 5: in Orlando and Carmelo had sixty on US. When I 485 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 5: would uh in the garden, I would probably say Carmelo's 486 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 5: because it was all mid range jumpers and Michael Kik 487 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:46,679 Speaker 5: Gilchris got probably about forty of those and so, and 488 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 5: when Carmelo. 489 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:48,520 Speaker 4: Gets hot, there's nothing. 490 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:52,640 Speaker 5: It's all jab series, jabs, pump fakes, step through spin move. 491 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 5: It's when Carmelo has sixty, it's a lowed it's a 492 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 5: lowed sixty because it's all one on one ice, So 493 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 5: nobody's creating any for him. He is getting it all 494 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 5: out the mud and it is. 495 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 4: A long night. 496 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:07,880 Speaker 2: We've had Jalen Rose on whenever it's you know, the 497 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:11,480 Speaker 2: eighty one point anniversary with Kobe, and so we called 498 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:14,720 Speaker 2: him all the time and he says I didn't guard 499 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 2: him the whole game. He goes people make it seem 500 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 2: like Kobe got eighty one on me when they were 501 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 2: playing Toronto. 502 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, listen, you might not have guarded the whole game. 503 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:27,159 Speaker 5: But if somebody gets drops eighty and like, let's just 504 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:29,119 Speaker 5: say twenty five to thirty of them were on you, 505 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:30,840 Speaker 5: people are gonna act like the whole eighty. 506 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 4: One with on you. 507 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:33,400 Speaker 5: Just kind of like, well, I'm talking about Carmelo, Michael 508 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 5: Ki Gilkers didn't get the whole sixty, but he had 509 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:39,359 Speaker 5: to get out thirty or forty of them, thirty to 510 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:40,440 Speaker 5: forty out of sixties. 511 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:42,680 Speaker 4: It just feels like a long night. 512 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:45,600 Speaker 5: I'm still trying to figure out why we didn't start 513 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:48,119 Speaker 5: doubling the triple TV, but it is what it is. 514 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:53,200 Speaker 2: Still bothers you. Hey, great to talk to you. Thanks 515 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:54,440 Speaker 2: for joining us, Brendon. 516 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:55,680 Speaker 4: I mean, thanks man, appreciate you having me on. 517 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 2: Brendan Haywood. 518 00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:59,360 Speaker 1: Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan 519 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:03,479 Speaker 1: Patricks weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific on 520 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,680 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio WAP. 521 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:10,439 Speaker 2: Talk some football, Mark Sanchez, NFL and Fox analysts, former 522 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:14,920 Speaker 2: NFL quarterback. Let me start with the Steelers. Best case 523 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,479 Speaker 2: scenario for Pittsburgh this year is going to be what 524 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:18,200 Speaker 2: in your opinion? 525 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:21,199 Speaker 6: Well, I got to check in Dan six to two 526 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:23,800 Speaker 6: and a quarter two forty. 527 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:26,719 Speaker 2: Five getting a little heavier, aren't we. 528 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:31,440 Speaker 6: Yeah, twins will do that to you. And I've been starium. 529 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 4: I might as well. You should see me all right, 530 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 4: I've been. 531 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:38,440 Speaker 6: Carrying him a lot. 532 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 2: Well, why is your playing weight? 533 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 6: I was like two twenty eight to two thirty five 534 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:46,960 Speaker 6: right in there, so we're good ten pounds over. 535 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:49,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, Brady still looks the same. 536 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:54,640 Speaker 6: Well, I don't want to sleep in a crypt and 537 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:59,159 Speaker 6: sell my soul to the devil. And I'm just the 538 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 6: dude's an incredib shape and high to the dan Nettes. 539 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 6: And you know what it's really been. I think it's 540 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:09,160 Speaker 6: been celebrating my bracketology knowledge from the college basketball tournament, 541 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 6: and you know, the parades and ribbon cuttings and events. 542 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:15,760 Speaker 6: I'm like America's guests right now. 543 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:18,960 Speaker 2: It's incredible how much you know about college basketball. 544 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:22,680 Speaker 6: A lot of good food, you know, I might get 545 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:25,600 Speaker 6: go out the way I'm living like this, this is nice, 546 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:31,200 Speaker 6: you know, But for the Steelers, toot, it's it's such 547 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:37,359 Speaker 6: a unique situation, right because they're they're this blue collar organization. 548 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:42,080 Speaker 6: Everything's in house, you know, they they they they keep 549 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:48,719 Speaker 6: everything tight, and they rarely go poach a superstar and 550 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:52,399 Speaker 6: add them to what they have going on. It's different. 551 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:54,240 Speaker 6: You guys are talking about the sale of the Lakers 552 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,200 Speaker 6: and stuff. Well, the Lakers are known to go grab 553 00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:00,919 Speaker 6: a superstar and bring them under the Lakers banner, and 554 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:04,200 Speaker 6: they're still one of the most iconic brands around the world. 555 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 6: Shaquille O'Neal. You know, these different players that they brought 556 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:11,120 Speaker 6: Lebron James, they made their name somewhere else. So Aaron 557 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,920 Speaker 6: Rodgers made his name somewhere else in a blue collar 558 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:19,679 Speaker 6: city in Green Bay, and then kind of outgrew that relationship. 559 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:22,400 Speaker 6: I guess right, They kind of part of mutually. Whatever 560 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:26,159 Speaker 6: goes to New York doesn't work out perfectly, tough media market, 561 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:29,280 Speaker 6: and now he's got to kind of be in this 562 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:33,720 Speaker 6: blue collar town. The only thing that bridges that gap 563 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:36,399 Speaker 6: because everybody's so scared about that because there's no numbers 564 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:39,000 Speaker 6: right now, right, nobody's producing anything right now, there's no 565 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 6: games so everybody's just speculating, like, well, can he fit in? 566 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,720 Speaker 6: Can he fit in? Culture fit? Culture fit? He's too counterculture. 567 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,320 Speaker 6: He's not one of us. He's not a Steeler, you know, 568 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 6: and there's us versus them mentality when you're with the Steelers. 569 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:53,480 Speaker 6: Look at the terrible towels, look at all that, right, 570 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,560 Speaker 6: So they have that culture. The only thing that bridges 571 00:26:56,600 --> 00:27:00,240 Speaker 6: that gap is his production. And if he produced the 572 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:03,280 Speaker 6: way he produced last year, the last ten games he 573 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:05,680 Speaker 6: was on a heater, he single handedly basically kept the 574 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 6: Jets playoff hopes alive. They lost about going back and 575 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,880 Speaker 6: watching some of their games, they lost about three games 576 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:16,760 Speaker 6: just with special teams alone, just field goal kicking specifically 577 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:20,200 Speaker 6: along so those three games at the end of the year. 578 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:24,360 Speaker 6: I mean, I'm not like the president of Aaron Rodgers 579 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:27,040 Speaker 6: fan club or anything, but damn dude, the guy played 580 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,439 Speaker 6: his ass off. He threw it for like thirty nine 581 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:33,480 Speaker 6: hundred yards or just near whatever. It was twenty eight touchdowns, 582 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 6: eleven picks. The last ten weeks was eighteen touchdowns, four picks. 583 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 6: I mean, put it this way, the Vikings would get 584 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:45,119 Speaker 6: if you could tell the Vikings right now. JJ McCarthy's 585 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:49,280 Speaker 6: gonna have Aaron Rodgers statline from last year they would 586 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:54,719 Speaker 6: sign that deal in blood immediately, immediately. So I mean, listen, 587 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,080 Speaker 6: the guy did all that at forty one years old, 588 00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:00,320 Speaker 6: coming off of an achilles, with a defense that they 589 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,959 Speaker 6: thought was better and didn't quite pan out, a special 590 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:06,560 Speaker 6: teams that was rough, you know, to be nice about it, 591 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 6: I don't. I don't dislike the move. I think it's 592 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:14,120 Speaker 6: I think it's probably the right spot. You're always gonna 593 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 6: get a team that's that's tough, hard nosed, blue collar, 594 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:21,160 Speaker 6: and they're gonna put you in good situations. They're gonna 595 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,240 Speaker 6: handle all the media stuff. They can handle some of 596 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:23,600 Speaker 6: the stuff. 597 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:23,760 Speaker 4: You know. 598 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,440 Speaker 6: Yeah, Aaron might say something here or there. Okay, he's 599 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,880 Speaker 6: a little different. He's not your average you know, your 600 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 6: candid line. Hey, we got to bring our a game 601 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:35,080 Speaker 6: and we didn't do that today. That's not his interview. Okay, fine. 602 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:38,720 Speaker 6: So what I think the culture of that place and 603 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:42,680 Speaker 6: his production most importantly, can can bridge that gap and 604 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:43,640 Speaker 6: they can be successful. 605 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:43,960 Speaker 4: Yeah. 606 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 2: I think people have a problem with the person and 607 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,840 Speaker 2: not the player. And that's where I always say to people, 608 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,560 Speaker 2: you may not like that person, but do you like 609 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 2: the player? Because that's that's the bottom line. The great 610 00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:00,320 Speaker 2: equalizer is when you get on the field, what can 611 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,200 Speaker 2: you do. It's like, you know, you may not like 612 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:06,200 Speaker 2: shudor Sanders' personality, but if he can play when he 613 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:09,960 Speaker 2: gets on the field, that's all that matters. Production, yes, for. 614 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:16,480 Speaker 6: Production breeds tolerance. Yes, winning cures warts. Like that's what 615 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:20,479 Speaker 6: happened that people allow a lot if their teams win. 616 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:23,640 Speaker 2: I'm trying to understand what the Bengals are doing because 617 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:27,520 Speaker 2: it's kind of counterculture that they're all offense. They're going 618 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:31,120 Speaker 2: all in and we're just going to score, because it 619 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:36,520 Speaker 2: doesn't seem like defense is a priority. How does this work? 620 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 6: Here's my thing. Everybody seems to have to play by 621 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,320 Speaker 6: the same rules, right, everybody's got the salary cap, everybody 622 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,120 Speaker 6: has the same number of players that they can sign. 623 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,320 Speaker 6: And certain teams, just like we talked about culture, whether 624 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:55,040 Speaker 6: it's basketball or football, the Steelers, Lakers, Bangles, certain teams 625 00:29:55,160 --> 00:30:00,959 Speaker 6: find themselves in these public kind of nasty negotiations, and 626 00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 6: certain teams don't. The Bengals are notorious for this, like 627 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:09,080 Speaker 6: it's just always happening. The cowboy. If Dak Prescott has 628 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:13,280 Speaker 6: a leaky Fawcet in his basement. People find out about it. 629 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:16,000 Speaker 6: It's just kind of the way it is in New York. 630 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:18,960 Speaker 6: You know, no matter what you do trying to prove 631 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:22,360 Speaker 6: to your team that you know you're this quarterback. It's 632 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,920 Speaker 6: about football and you're trying to win games. You go 633 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:28,840 Speaker 6: out to a dinner and happen to be with somebody famous. Well, 634 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,200 Speaker 6: oh dude, he's just out on the town every night. 635 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,200 Speaker 6: Well is that the truth? I don't know. So okay, 636 00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:36,640 Speaker 6: some of it's regional coverage, some of it's the team, 637 00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:39,600 Speaker 6: some of it's the organization, the leadership, and the culture 638 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:43,280 Speaker 6: within that place. But let's not forget Carson Palmer literally 639 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,520 Speaker 6: walked away from the game of football because he was 640 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:50,440 Speaker 6: so frustrated with this organization. And they've notoriously underpaid some 641 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:53,520 Speaker 6: of their players or offered such low contracts that people 642 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,160 Speaker 6: are like, dude, I'm out of here. Whether it's Whitworth 643 00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:58,640 Speaker 6: and Tackle or whoever. You know, guys are just like, 644 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:02,240 Speaker 6: come on, man like, and everybody has to deal with it. 645 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,959 Speaker 6: So I don't understand. But when we go back to production, 646 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:08,360 Speaker 6: this guy's producing better than anybody in the league the 647 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 6: last couple of years. Made a name for himself in 648 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,960 Speaker 6: New Orleans on his rookie contract, played that contract out 649 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:19,160 Speaker 6: opposite of Cam Jordan down there and gets a huge 650 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:23,600 Speaker 6: contract and Cincy and now it's time for the next 651 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,600 Speaker 6: version of that contract, the next iteration of that contract. 652 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:29,880 Speaker 6: And it sounds like they're upset over the length of 653 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:33,360 Speaker 6: the contract and the number. But whatever it is, I mean, 654 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:35,720 Speaker 6: you can't let he can't let guys like that walk 655 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:39,520 Speaker 6: out of the building. And you know he's not going 656 00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:41,840 Speaker 6: to want to take too much less based on his production. 657 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:43,440 Speaker 6: And if you're going to pay all these other guys, 658 00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:45,720 Speaker 6: are you just going to score fifty points a game? 659 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:47,280 Speaker 6: Is it going to look like the old Big twelve? 660 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:50,320 Speaker 6: You score fifty and give up forty nine? Like, I 661 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,760 Speaker 6: guess we'll hold on your hat. But this guy's share 662 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:55,360 Speaker 6: helps on defense and gets your quarterback the ball back. 663 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,160 Speaker 2: Well, your first round pick is not in camp either, 664 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,960 Speaker 2: but you know, an edge rusher as well, So it 665 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,520 Speaker 2: felt like, you know what you get this guy who 666 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:08,160 Speaker 2: who was an underachiever in college. But Stuart does have 667 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:12,600 Speaker 2: the potential. Hendrickson has proven that. You know, he's given 668 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,320 Speaker 2: you seventeen and a half sacks and on average, the 669 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:19,000 Speaker 2: last two years. Now you have some defense, and you've 670 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,120 Speaker 2: got all of that offense. I don't care how much 671 00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,400 Speaker 2: offense you got. At some point you got to stop somebody, 672 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:30,560 Speaker 2: and Cincinnati's I mean, this philosophy is really counterculture. I 673 00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,480 Speaker 2: also wanted to ask you about you start a rookie 674 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:38,080 Speaker 2: quarterback or that, at what point do you get to? Now? 675 00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:42,239 Speaker 2: I'm going to put you in how much damage can 676 00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:44,600 Speaker 2: be done to a rookie quarterback when you get into 677 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,760 Speaker 2: a situation that maybe you shouldn't be playing in. 678 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:56,080 Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a fragile psyche, and there's there's different ways 679 00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:59,080 Speaker 6: to approach it. Obviously, I have my own experience. My 680 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:03,280 Speaker 6: experience is shape off of the year before me being drafted, 681 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:07,360 Speaker 6: when Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco make the playoffs as rookies. 682 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:11,640 Speaker 6: Before that, it was rare for a rookie to just 683 00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:15,440 Speaker 6: go out and start right. Carson Palmer waited behind Kitna 684 00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:17,680 Speaker 6: for a year, you know, and he was picked number 685 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:21,120 Speaker 6: one overall, So that was kind of the mode before. 686 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:24,640 Speaker 6: Let him listen, let them watch, let him learn. How 687 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,520 Speaker 6: do I come up with a pregame routine? How do 688 00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:30,320 Speaker 6: I dress when we go on road trips? What's my 689 00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:32,680 Speaker 6: routine at the hotel. What do I eat? All these 690 00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,880 Speaker 6: kind of little things, not just learning plays and positions 691 00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:38,840 Speaker 6: and defensive fronts and blitzes. You got a lot of 692 00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:42,720 Speaker 6: other things to learn, just an awareness thing. So it 693 00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:45,440 Speaker 6: depends on the player, I think number one. And then 694 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,680 Speaker 6: it depends largely on the supporting cast. If you have 695 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:52,000 Speaker 6: the supporting cast that can carry the weight of a 696 00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:55,360 Speaker 6: rookie when they don't play as well as they should 697 00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,239 Speaker 6: in certain situations. And I was there. I mean, we 698 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,680 Speaker 6: were in a game against the Bills and through five 699 00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,600 Speaker 6: interceptions and we almost kicked the game winning field goal 700 00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,840 Speaker 6: with Jay Feely, who's now running for Congress. Apparently I 701 00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:08,440 Speaker 6: got a message about that kind of crazy. 702 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:09,239 Speaker 4: Sorry, but. 703 00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:14,680 Speaker 6: We're in the game with five turnovers. I mean, I'm 704 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:16,879 Speaker 6: not helping us win. If anything, they're winning in spite 705 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:20,840 Speaker 6: of me. So those kind of things are going to happen. Now, 706 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,640 Speaker 6: if you have an established starter like a Russell Wilson 707 00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:27,160 Speaker 6: or a Jameis Winston or whatever's going on with the Giants, 708 00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,920 Speaker 6: and then they're gonna get their shot, and if it 709 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,319 Speaker 6: doesn't work out, then you bring the rookie in. To me, 710 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:38,480 Speaker 6: that's a little bit like free reps and less pressure, 711 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:42,239 Speaker 6: and we're not like trying for a playoff spot. It's 712 00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:45,480 Speaker 6: almost like pick up basketball. And there's a very fine line. 713 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:47,960 Speaker 6: I want you to go get the conditioning. I want 714 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:49,680 Speaker 6: you to go get some shots off. You're gonna get 715 00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:51,960 Speaker 6: fouled a little harder than you probably should in a 716 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,560 Speaker 6: real game with true rules instead of people just calling 717 00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:57,640 Speaker 6: their own fouls. But I also don't want you to 718 00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:00,360 Speaker 6: develop a bunch of bad habits, right, I want this 719 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:02,560 Speaker 6: to turn into an and one mixtape where you're just 720 00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:05,400 Speaker 6: dribbling the ball all over the place thinking you're the professor. Like, 721 00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:07,960 Speaker 6: it doesn't work like that. I want you to still 722 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,280 Speaker 6: play quarterback for our team and get some of these reps. 723 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,719 Speaker 6: We're gonna watch all these reps after the year and 724 00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:16,080 Speaker 6: then take the good from them, keep moving on, keep progressing. 725 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:19,840 Speaker 6: So there's different ways to approach it. But if you 726 00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:23,279 Speaker 6: have the supporting cast that knows, that's mature enough to 727 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:26,319 Speaker 6: know and talented enough to know, hey, we're gonna have 728 00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:28,600 Speaker 6: to pick up some slack for this guy who's gonna 729 00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:31,799 Speaker 6: have a couple of rough outings, like some bad, bad outings, 730 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:34,520 Speaker 6: then okay, and we're not going to turn on them. 731 00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:36,239 Speaker 6: You can't turn on them because as soon as you 732 00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,360 Speaker 6: turn on them, you lose the kid. You know, you 733 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:40,080 Speaker 6: got to remember, these guys are twenty one to twenty 734 00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:43,839 Speaker 6: two years old and the face of the franchise, and 735 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,319 Speaker 6: they were just at a frat party, you know, going 736 00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:50,120 Speaker 6: to invites and you know, winning their bowl games and 737 00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:54,080 Speaker 6: big man on campus. And now you're the face of 738 00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:57,279 Speaker 6: a franchise. You're still twenty two years old, making all 739 00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:00,160 Speaker 6: this money, and you're supposed to have the discernment and 740 00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:03,719 Speaker 6: and you know, intelligence of a Supreme Court justice, and 741 00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,960 Speaker 6: it's just not reality. You're still a kid. You just 742 00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:08,920 Speaker 6: have a lot more money and a lot more access 743 00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,239 Speaker 6: to really cool stuff, and you've got to be more 744 00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:13,800 Speaker 6: mature then you're really expected to be at that age. 745 00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:17,960 Speaker 6: So it's a tricky, tricky situation. I think it depends 746 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:19,880 Speaker 6: on the player and the supporting cast. 747 00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:24,319 Speaker 2: What was that like, you've thrown five interceptions. What's it 748 00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:28,440 Speaker 2: like when that next play comes in and it's a pass? 749 00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:34,200 Speaker 6: Well, yeah, it's so funny. I was of the mind that, like, 750 00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:36,799 Speaker 6: just get me another quick completion, even if it's a 751 00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:39,360 Speaker 6: called run and we have like a little bubble screen 752 00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:42,640 Speaker 6: or something attached to the run. Just get me the 753 00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:44,800 Speaker 6: ball in my hand so I could feel the little 754 00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,960 Speaker 6: dimples on that Wilson ball on the duke and just 755 00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,399 Speaker 6: flick it to somebody quickly and get the taste out 756 00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,680 Speaker 6: of my mouth and move on. And then I would 757 00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,840 Speaker 6: always revert back to a Pete Carroll story that he 758 00:36:55,960 --> 00:37:00,200 Speaker 6: told me, and he's like, you can't be afraid to 759 00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:05,320 Speaker 6: throw the next interception, Like you got to keep fighting. 760 00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,400 Speaker 6: You got to keep chucking the ball, not recklessly, but 761 00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:09,880 Speaker 6: you got to keep chucking the ball. And he went 762 00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,640 Speaker 6: to a speech or an event with Rick Berry. 763 00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:15,560 Speaker 2: I think he was true literally that you weren't a 764 00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,560 Speaker 2: thread afraid to throw an interception that day. 765 00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:23,520 Speaker 6: No, you can't. Well no, but he went to this 766 00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:25,960 Speaker 6: talk with Rick Barry. I'll say it fast, but I 767 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,439 Speaker 6: know we got to go. But Rick Berry basically gives 768 00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:30,640 Speaker 6: this speech and Pete's a young coach and he runs 769 00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:32,600 Speaker 6: over to him and he says, Rick Rick, I just 770 00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:34,239 Speaker 6: I love what you said. I'm a big fan with 771 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:38,720 Speaker 6: what do you do when you miss your first ten shots? 772 00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:42,480 Speaker 6: And Rick Berry immediately like, I mean, he was known 773 00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:45,040 Speaker 6: to be pretty brash, and he was kind of a Dick, 774 00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:46,800 Speaker 6: you know. But he was a hell of a competitor 775 00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:50,319 Speaker 6: and great basketball player. But he basically looked at him 776 00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:53,200 Speaker 6: and said, you know, I'm a whatever percentage shooter, like 777 00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,680 Speaker 6: forty percent shooter. He goes, if I missed my first 778 00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:59,320 Speaker 6: ten shots, you better look out because the next. 779 00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:00,600 Speaker 4: Ten are going in. You know what I mean. 780 00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:03,279 Speaker 6: Like that was his mentality. So Pete used to give 781 00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:06,319 Speaker 6: us that speech and remind us, listen, you go out 782 00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:08,879 Speaker 6: and throw three picks in the first quarter. Well you're 783 00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,480 Speaker 6: a three to one touchdown to interception kind of guy. 784 00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:14,080 Speaker 6: That's the kind of quarterbacks we groom here. So can 785 00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:17,880 Speaker 6: you throw three right away out of the gate? Defense? 786 00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:19,719 Speaker 6: Better watch out? You know what I mean. That day, 787 00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:23,200 Speaker 6: maybe not against Buffalo, but it all evens out. 788 00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:26,840 Speaker 2: Good to catch up with you. I hope it's a 789 00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,480 Speaker 2: great summer and we'll catch up with you soon again. 790 00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,520 Speaker 2: Appreciate you guys, Thanks, thank you, And that's Mark Sanchez.