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Speaker 1: Also media. Oh, welcome back to Behind the Bastards, the

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Speaker 1: podcast that you're listening to right now. It's about the

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Speaker 1: worst people in all of history.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: And we've got one of my favorite guests in the

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Speaker 1: host of the podcast on our network, said Oligark, which

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Speaker 1: just got a new season, Jake Hanrahan, Jake, welcome back.

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Speaker 2: How you doing? Thanks having me mate, long time, no

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Speaker 2: I speak, man, how have you been?

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Speaker 1: Ah, you know, I've been all right tired, like everyone

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Speaker 1: I think, especially where I am. What's going on? How

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Speaker 1: about you?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like your country's like actually fascist.

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Speaker 1: Now, like yeah, yeah, yeah, we're really speed running things.

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Speaker 1: Huh yeah.

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Speaker 2: Everyone's saying it for years and I was like, oh no.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, yeah yeah yeah. It has been fun to

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Speaker 1: see all of the like debate go out the window

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Speaker 2: No, straight on, like it's it's it's actually like very

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Speaker 2: scary because it's happening here as well in England, and

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Speaker 2: it's like, ah, there's like some consolidation of extreme authoritarianism happening.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's happening, and it's happening at the kind

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Speaker 1: of speed that almost it seems farcical. So that's that's good.

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Speaker 1: I feel upbeat. I don't. I don't know, like it's

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Speaker 1: it's weird too, because it's one of those like you

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Speaker 1: there'd be stuff to do other like beyond just like

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Speaker 1: work like that that wouldn't be the primary concern. Is

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Speaker 1: still like making rent and and and and getting by.

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Speaker 1: But everyone I know is walking around being like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's crazy how fast things are going. Also, like I

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Speaker 2: Yeah no, no. I was talking to my friend about

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Speaker 2: this too. That was like the kind of rapid descent

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Speaker 2: into state control and authoritarianism is actually really boring, Like

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, And I'm still going to like birthday

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Speaker 1: parties and stuff like okay, yeah yeah.

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Speaker 2: My friend came back from a holiday and he was like,

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Speaker 2: oh yeah, I got fingerprinted and my mouth swabbed and everything.

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Speaker 2: I was like, why, you're a British city and you're

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Speaker 2: coming back to England, Like what the fuck now?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, talking to you and I'm in the same boat

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Speaker 1: planning overseas trips and being like, well, now I have

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Speaker 2: I mean, this must must be what it's like for

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Speaker 2: people in like, you know, countries that have been doing

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Speaker 2: you know, and now we're like, oh shit.

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Speaker 1: We have to do it too well in this yeh,

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Speaker 1: I'm glad I read there's a good book about like

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Speaker 1: authoritarianism in Russia called Nothing Is True and Everything is Permitted.

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Speaker 1: I think it's more or less the title, yeah, which

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Speaker 1: is which? Which did help? Actually reading it years ago

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I love the way he kindind of explains it

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Speaker 2: through the reality TV how like almost in the West,

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Speaker 2: in Russia, when you show them something fake, the people

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Speaker 2: it's like, I think we're coming to that level now

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and it's just impossible to know like what

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Speaker 1: I mean this goes down to the AI and stuff,

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Speaker 1: but like there's so many more tools for just lying

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Speaker 1: Yoh yeah. And I think in some ways about what's

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Speaker 1: And so I I keep turning back to cults periodically,

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Speaker 1: Nell connection does exist. This this is a cult that

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Speaker 1: a story here. But it's a group called the Kingdom

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Speaker 1: of God. Have you heard of these people?

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Speaker 2: Do you know what? I feel like I have? But

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Speaker 1: This is a new one. This is a new one,

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Speaker 1: and it's you know what, I try to be compassionate

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Speaker 1: So we'll come back in a second here and we'll

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Speaker 1: talk about the Kingdom of God, and we're back. So,

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Speaker 1: as I said, not a well known cult. If you

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Speaker 1: If you had, you probab found out the way I

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Speaker 1: the only real interest this group attracted was internal criticism

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Speaker 1: in places like Charisma magazine, which is like charismatic Christianity

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Speaker 1: You know absolutely that I agree with the snake church

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Speaker 1: stuff sounds like more fun. Initially, kind of the internal

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Speaker 1: When the FBI raided Kingdom of God properties, they found

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Speaker 1: These are people who are working and having food and

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Speaker 1: Know, no, they're they're kind of starting with, yeah, with

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Speaker 1: This is a call center cult. Like, that's what they're

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Speaker 2: Slaves in the center. It's so bad, man.

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Speaker 1: Fuck, it's only marginally better if you're getting paid, right.

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Speaker 1: the sophisticated network of call centers and this network of

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Speaker 1: online stalkers. There's a This is a really savvy cult

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Speaker 1: it's not just we're just throwing out a wide net

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Speaker 1: reached out to, which is cool just like Facebook. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Facebook is where a lot of this happens. Absolutely, But I.

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Speaker 2: Mean that's like even part of their model as well.

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Speaker 2: Like they will advertise things to young girls that are

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Speaker 2: like perhaps looking at pages about, you know, eating disorders,

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Speaker 2: and they'll be like, oh yeah, we'll use that to

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Speaker 2: advertise to them. It's like the darkest thing. Have a

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Speaker 2: doesn't surprise me A Colt would be doing it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would love to. And this is the kind

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Speaker 1: I remember one time before the Lord came to me

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Speaker 1: and saved my life. I was caught in the crossfire

435
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Speaker 1: of a shootout. There were bullets flying everywhere, and I

436
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Speaker 1: could have possibly been shot and killed. Thank god, he

437
00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:13,760
Speaker 1: spared my life and protected me. And this is one

438
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Speaker 1: where like he doesn't say this was involved in the

439
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Speaker 1: drug game, and this is America, so yeah, maybe he

440
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Speaker 1: was in the middle of a shootout that happened. A

441
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Speaker 1: lot of people have been in this country, right, that's

442
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Speaker 1: not an uncommon experience. Is just being uncomfortably close. I've

443
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Speaker 1: been around like three different mass shootings in the United States, shooting.

444
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Speaker 2: Like yeah, shit, yeah, yeah, that's not unusual.

445
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Speaker 1: Right, I don't know. One of them was two victims,

446
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Speaker 1: the other two were one, so not mass, but like

447
00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:42,720
Speaker 1: three different shootings, right, like, oh, it just happened. It

448
00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:43,440
Speaker 1: just happens.

449
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like I've been jumped. I thought that was bad,

450
00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,679
Speaker 2: like fucking hell. Right, yeah, no, that sounds fad, that

451
00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:49,640
Speaker 2: sounds horrible.

452
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Speaker 1: And I can believe that he was just uncomfortably close

453
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Speaker 1: to a shooting and that maybe that did spur him

454
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Speaker 1: to get more serious about the religion thing. You know.

455
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Speaker 1: That's a that's not a wildly that's not a huge leap, right.

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Speaker 1: David then says that Jesus appeared to him for the

457
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Speaker 1: first time during a dream. Right, this is in nineteen

458
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Speaker 1: eighty nine, It's like a week or so before Christmas,

459
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Speaker 1: And here's how he describes it. And I'm gonna preface

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Speaker 1: this by saying it's a weirdly erotic description of Jesus, Like,

461
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Speaker 1: oh God, Ja, I gotta tell you that right now,

462
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Speaker 1: suddenly he was there, with eyes glowing full of love,

463
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Speaker 1: standing in front of me. Was the man I'd heard

464
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Speaker 1: about as a little boy my entire life. I'd heard

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Speaker 1: about this man from my mother and father, and was

466
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Speaker 1: taught that he died on the cross for my sins

467
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Speaker 1: and rose again on the third day from the dead.

468
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Speaker 1: He was not truly real to me, only a religious opinion.

469
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Speaker 1: He was just someone my parents told me about because

470
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Speaker 1: of their religious beliefs. Then out of nowhere, he was

471
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Speaker 1: standing there in front of me, face to face. And

472
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Speaker 1: that's not the horny part of the story, right that's

473
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Speaker 1: and I bring him the intro the next passage. Here

474
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Speaker 1: he describes Jesus using the word ecstasy more times than

475
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Speaker 1: a drug dealer on telegram. Oh God, it was ecstasy.

476
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Speaker 1: For the first time I was standing in front of Jesus,

477
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Speaker 1: my whole being felt him. You can imagine the ecstasy

478
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Speaker 1: I felt. It was a feeling of intense glory. It's

479
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Speaker 1: like wherever he stands he feels the very atmosphere air

480
00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:13,479
Speaker 1: and molecules all around you, even the atoms inside your

481
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Speaker 1: body and being respond to him. It was total ecstasy, indescribable,

482
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Speaker 1: blistering with a static eruption. My whole being felt like

483
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Speaker 1: it was caught up into Heaven. The very atoms in

484
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Speaker 1: my body made me feel like I was about to

485
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Speaker 1: explode night. That's a guy who wants to fuck Jesus.

486
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Speaker 2: Right, I think that's a guy that did fuck Jesus

487
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:35,560
Speaker 2: by the sound, but he might have fucked Jesus Jesus Christ. Yeah,

488
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Speaker 2: that's weird, I exactly, Yeah, he's uh, he's projecting EPISO slightly.

489
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Speaker 1: That definitely, maybe a little bit. And we'll continue with

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Speaker 1: the uncomfortably horny descriptions of Jesus Christ. But first, here's

491
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Speaker 1: some ads and we're back. So Jake, as I promised,

492
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Speaker 1: that uncomfortably horny vibe continue for several pages, during which

493
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Speaker 1: he repeatedly describes Christ in terms that would make an

494
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Speaker 1: airport romance novelist say, okay, it's time to dial things back.

495
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Speaker 1: A little quote. Standing in front of me was an

496
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Speaker 1: awesome man, handsome and perfect in stature. He was just

497
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Speaker 1: a little taller than me, about six feet or more.

498
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Speaker 1: The perfect height of a normal man. As I gazed

499
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Speaker 1: upon him, I saw that the color of his hair

500
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:24,680
Speaker 1: was sandy brownish and parted at the top, coming over

501
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:28,439
Speaker 1: the sides of his face and down his shoulders and waves. Right,

502
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:33,640
Speaker 1: are the normal man, the normal man's Yeah, above six

503
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Speaker 1: feet is a normal man. A little bit of height shaming.

504
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Speaker 2: There, yeah, yeah, yeah, come on, man, this is very

505
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Speaker 2: erotic and it's fine.

506
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Speaker 1: It's fine. It's cool if you're into that. Jesus is

507
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Speaker 1: thousands of years old, so it's not problematic, right.

508
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Speaker 2: I mean, you know it, so Jesus, I don't know,

509
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:53,440
Speaker 2: like long hair, like robes. Yeah, halo, I'm not gonna

510
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 2: be like you pretty cut, yeah, perfect cheek bones, beautiful

511
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Speaker 2: eye come on, yeah, like yeah, I mean it's fat.

512
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Speaker 2: But let's let's let's know what you're really thinking. Son,

513
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 2: And I'm laughing as I'm gonna guess. I'm gonna take

514
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 2: a wild guess that this guy went on to be

515
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:09,840
Speaker 2: wildly homophobic in his cult.

516
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Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, I mean yes, I would say not

517
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Speaker 1: not to the point where like it's the main thing,

518
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Speaker 1: but it's just a normal thing in that chunk of

519
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:19,639
Speaker 1: the right right, Like this is not Pentecostal Christianity is

520
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:23,160
Speaker 1: not super great on gay people. You know, these aren't

521
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Speaker 1: the Episcopalians. So given that this guy becomes a money

522
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:31,000
Speaker 1: grubbing cult leader, I'd expected Jesus to like mark him

523
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Speaker 1: out a special and telling me he had some sort of

524
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Speaker 1: great purpose to fulfill. Right, That's kind of what I

525
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:38,639
Speaker 1: was expecting to come here, and that does happen. But

526
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Speaker 1: what surprises me is that David Taylor's Jesus opens things up,

527
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Speaker 1: not just by like telling him you're marked for something special.

528
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Speaker 1: I need you to speak the word to the masses.

529
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Speaker 1: But he talks like a cult leader, like a like

530
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Speaker 1: a real world cult leader. And I've run into a

531
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Speaker 1: lot of different Jesus cults, right, Which is not to

532
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Speaker 1: say like this Christianity doesn't ever worse cult than the

533
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Speaker 1: other chunk of our society. People make cults for no

534
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 1: reason at all, right, People make cults without a god

535
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 1: being involved with a god. Every religion has its cults.

536
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:12,879
Speaker 1: I'm not being particularly shitty to anyone faith. What's weird

537
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 1: is that his Jesus talks exactly like a twenty first

538
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:19,639
Speaker 1: century cult leader, which I haven't come across in the

539
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 1: many different accounts like this that I have read because

540
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Speaker 1: the first thing Jesus tells him to do, because he's like,

541
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Speaker 1: I'll do anything, Jesus, tell me what I need to

542
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:30,680
Speaker 1: do to serve you. And the first thing Jesus says

543
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,040
Speaker 1: is you need to cut off all ties with your

544
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 1: best friend. Oh you need to immediately like cut the

545
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:38,160
Speaker 1: closest person to you out of your life. And that's

546
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:44,680
Speaker 1: just straight cult leadership, right, Well, thanks Jesus, Thanks Jesus. Now,

547
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,239
Speaker 1: the way Jesus in the dream explains this is that

548
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 1: David's best friend is a really nice guy. He says,

549
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 1: he's a good guy. He's a really good friend, he

550
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 1: was a good influence. But he's not Christian, so he's

551
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:59,040
Speaker 1: not saved, right, And so Jesus tells him, David, forsake

552
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:02,240
Speaker 1: your best friend, give your life to me and follow me.

553
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:07,120
Speaker 1: And again, I mean, I hate to I'm not much

554
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,360
Speaker 1: of a Bible knower, but I went to church as

555
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 1: a kid. I was confirmed Jesus was friends with lots

556
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 1: of people who were not good followers of their faith, right,

557
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:20,400
Speaker 1: Like that's just the text of the Bible.

558
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,639
Speaker 2: I mean, this guy obviously is just I mean, you know,

559
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 2: I give them benefit now, but I think it's pretty

560
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 2: clear this guy just made this up. It sounds like

561
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 2: you lie.

562
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 1: Of course.

563
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:31,399
Speaker 2: It sounds like you just had a problem with his

564
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 2: best mate, you know what I mean?

565
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, and yeah, Jesus sure did.

566
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:38,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sorry, bro, Jesus said, you know, like you

567
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 2: go to get go fuck yourself, like that's how it

568
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 2: is now.

569
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Speaker 1: Not Yeah, we can't be friends anymore because the son

570
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:47,120
Speaker 1: of God doesn't like you. Yeah, right, well that's gonna

571
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 1: make me become Christian?

572
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 2: Oh God, Jesus.

573
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is weird to me that he describes Jesus

574
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,199
Speaker 1: as like the leader of a high control group, right,

575
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,920
Speaker 1: because like, yeah, that's a normal thing. Cult leaders tell

576
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:00,880
Speaker 1: you to cut off your friends in your family, right

577
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:05,359
Speaker 1: if they don't follow you. So, yeah, David writes in

578
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,160
Speaker 1: his book, you can't truly follow Jesus and maintain worldly

579
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 1: relationships or friendships you once had. You must be willing

580
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:13,639
Speaker 1: to give up your even your best friend, if Jesus

581
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 1: requires you to. So that's why he's putting this in

582
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 1: the book. As you said, it's fake. He's throwing this

583
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 1: in there so that to use Jesus to justify the

584
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,959
Speaker 1: different rules he's going to have for everyone in the cult, right,

585
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:27,399
Speaker 1: So I guess what I'm mostly surprised is that I

586
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 1: haven't seen another cult leader do this. I've seen a

587
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 1: lot of people put words in Jesus's mouth, but I

588
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,200
Speaker 1: haven't seen them do it this blatantly. And that's kind

589
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 1: of like, oh wow, I guess for me, it's a

590
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 1: marker of like you can get away with a lot

591
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 1: more now, huh.

592
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought you.

593
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 1: Still had to be a little more cunning about.

594
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Speaker 2: It, right, like look at you know, I mean, no

595
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 2: offense to moments, but like look at the guy though, Jesus, Yeah,

596
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 2: you know, oh I found these golden plates. I mean

597
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 2: that was pushing it.

598
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 1: Like this, that was really pushing it.

599
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, that you can tell just nothing as anymore. You

600
00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 2: can just be like, oh yeah, Jesus said I need

601
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 2: a porstion, and you're my best friends a dick head,

602
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 2: like it's very yeah, it's just yea unimaginative now.

603
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is it. I mean it's because that's the

604
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 1: thing about like Joseph Smith is at least the elaborateness

605
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 1: of the golden plate and the weirdness is like, well,

606
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 1: that's a man who was thinking on his feet. He

607
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 1: had to come up with some lies real quick. Yeah,

608
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 1: they're created. Yeah, you know, like it's.

609
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 2: Like borderline sci fi, like, yeah, it's a pretty cool.

610
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, there's the you know, there's the they're all

611
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 1: bad people. Please don't mistake me, Joseph Smith and l

612
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 1: Ron Hubbard. But I respect them the craft. I respect

613
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 1: the craft.

614
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 2: You know, put in some work, you know, like obviously,

615
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 2: yeah that fucking ended up doing really evil stuff. But

616
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 2: like at least at the Star it was like golden plates,

617
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 2: not just like fucking chat gpt t here.

618
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, this is a very chatchy BTS cult and

619
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 1: I'm sure if it had been made a little bit later,

620
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 1: he would have made heavier use of chat GPT because

621
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 1: he does use a ghost writer regularly. And that's that's

622
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 1: basically an evolution that Yes, So after having this dream

623
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 1: where Jesus tells him to cut off ties with his

624
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 1: friend David, Taylor threw himself hardcore into his religion. He

625
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 1: gives himself up to Christ. He saved all that good stuff.

626
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 1: A few days after his first vision with Jesus, he

627
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 1: decides to try and summon the Son of God, this

628
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 1: time like purposefully and outside of a dream so at

629
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Speaker 1: about eleven and this is also the first one of

630
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 1: these where I've heard where he is treating the cult

631
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 1: leader is explicitly treating Jesus like a demon you summon,

632
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 1: which is also kind of weird. Yeah, so, at about

633
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 1: eleven PM on Christmas Eve, he begs Jesus to come

634
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 1: to him in person and prove that he was really

635
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 1: as alive as he looked in the dream, which feels

636
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 1: to me like maybe you don't have enough faith, Like

637
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:44,719
Speaker 1: part of the point is faith, right, and if you're like, now,

638
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 1: you got to come when I'm awake, otherwise I can't

639
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 1: believe that you weren't just a dream. That just seems

640
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 1: kind of sacrilegious to me.

641
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 2: But yeah, you don't start telling the Son of God

642
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 2: like when and why I had to appear? Right, you

643
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 2: just got.

644
00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 1: He's literally the son of God.

645
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I'm not getting any time. Yeah, this guy's

646
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 2: clearly like a massive narcissist, which I guess you have

647
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 2: to oh, oh my god.

648
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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, And it really comes across from the book

649
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Speaker 1: because he orders Jesus, if you are truly real, manifest

650
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Speaker 1: yourself to me. More. David relates this moment in a

651
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Speaker 1: chapter of his book titled The Supernatural Heaven's Invade My Room,

652
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 1: which sounds like some drug experience I had right around

653
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 1: the same age, you know, like I could characterize an

654
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 1: acid trip or two that way, like sniffing right right. Yeah.

655
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 1: After this God comes to him, you know, he follows

656
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Speaker 1: the summons and he blesses him with the ability to

657
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 1: speak in tongues, and then his bedroom is transformed into

658
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 1: some sort of strange ethereal masturbation cave quote. My room

659
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 1: was engulfed with the atmosphere of heaven in a cloudy mist.

660
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 1: My room was literally lifted to the atmosphere of heaven.

661
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 1: My room did not actually have a door, so I

662
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 1: had to put a bed sheet at the entryway. Often

663
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Speaker 1: before I put the bed sheet up, every single day,

664
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Speaker 1: a glistening angel with a sword would be standing at

665
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Speaker 1: the door of my room. It was like I was

666
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 1: not even at home. My mother was worried about me

667
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 1: because I stayed in my room for hours and days

668
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 1: at a time. I would come out in fellowship with

669
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Speaker 1: the family at times, but I was caught up and

670
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Speaker 1: experiencing heavenly things in my room.

671
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Speaker 2: My room was.

672
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Speaker 1: Literally filled with a celestial air or an electrical atmosphere going, yeah,

673
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Speaker 1: he's gooning. I'm sorry, man, you're gooning with God in

674
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Speaker 1: your bedroom. Yeah, there was a seventeen year old boy.

675
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 1: You will leave his room for days at a time.

676
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no good.

677
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Speaker 1: Yeah. So after this so called face to face meeting

678
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Speaker 1: with God, our boys life story is pretty nondescript. For

679
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Speaker 1: the next couple of years. We know he's an active

680
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 1: pretty much the entirety of the nineties, working as a

681
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Speaker 1: preacher and a religious motivational speaker. He claims the Lord

682
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Speaker 1: led him to the work of Bishop G. E. Patterson,

683
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 1: who isn't a bishop in like the Catholic sense of

684
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Speaker 1: the word. I would say, not a real I mean

685
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 1: real or not. There are Pentecostal bishops, but they're not.

686
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 1: There's a bunch of them, and it's just like if

687
00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 1: you have a bunch of churches who say we're part

688
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 1: of an organization, we're ap pointing bishops. Right, So it

689
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Speaker 1: doesn't have quite as much of like a history as

690
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Speaker 1: the Catholic term of the word. Right, But he's a

691
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Speaker 1: bishop in the Yeah, you don't.

692
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Speaker 2: Really have to work towards it sort of thing.

693
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Speaker 1: I'm sure, but it's certainly not the same degree to

694
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Speaker 1: which because you can just get appointed, right if like

695
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 1: five guys like you. You know, I think it's a

696
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 1: little harder to become a Catholic bishop. You have to

697
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 1: cover up a lot more child sex abuse. Say this

698
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 1: is a wetter thing or a worse thing, just say it.

699
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 1: It's different, and yeah. Bishop ge Patterson was an American

700
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Speaker 1: Pentecostal leader who founded the Temple of Deliverance Cathedral of

701
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 1: Bountiful Blessings, which was one of the largest I think

702
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 1: it still is. He's not around anymore largest Pentecostal churches

703
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 1: in the country. Since Taylor's dad was a Baptist preacher,

704
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 1: Patterson acted as David's entry way into the Pentecostal faith.

705
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 1: Taylor graduates from a Bible school at age nineteen, and

706
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Speaker 1: he claims that Jesus came to him in another vision

707
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Speaker 1: where Taylor demanded the real thing as in the real

708
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Speaker 1: Bible experience. He has another talk with Jesus where he

709
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 1: demands he makes demands of Jesus. He's like, look, I'm

710
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 1: not going to just sit up here and preach the

711
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:09,400
Speaker 1: Bible and repeat the same old stories everyone else preaches.

712
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:10,439
Speaker 1: That's not enough.

713
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Speaker 4: For me.

714
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Speaker 1: You have to give me the real Old Testament shit,

715
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:17,799
Speaker 1: Like I want visions, I want magic powers, I want

716
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:21,320
Speaker 1: it all, baby, Otherwise I'm not gonna be a member

717
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 1: of your faith. To kid, he's like putting the screws

718
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Speaker 1: to Jesus here.

719
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm team Jesus in this.

720
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Speaker 1: You don't think you're supposed to do this. Again, not

721
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:37,880
Speaker 1: an expert on Christianity, but I'm pretty sure this is sacrilegious.

722
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 1: But Jesus appreciates the moxie, I guess. So he's like,

723
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 1: I'll give you the full Old Testament experience, but you

724
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:49,760
Speaker 1: got to give up everything you own first. So next,

725
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 1: per an article published by Taylor's Kingdom of God Global

726
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,800
Speaker 1: Church quote, Shortly thereafter, he was given a series of

727
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 1: dreams showing the future of the nation. Apostle Taylor was

728
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 1: desperate to see it change come to America. He saw

729
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 1: nine to eleven, ten years before it happened in a dream.

730
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Speaker 1: In addition to that, he also saw a coming war

731
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Speaker 1: upon America soil from Russia. In the dream. America did

732
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:15,719
Speaker 1: not win this war now in modern times. He made

733
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 1: a big deal after like the Trump got elected, of

734
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 1: the whole predicted a war on US soil against Russia thing,

735
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 1: because I think in light of the whole Russia Gates

736
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:28,400
Speaker 1: stuff that seems compelling to people, right, But reading older

737
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 1: articles prior to Trump's election, all that stuff about Taylor's prophecies,

738
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 1: it made his dream of America fighting a war with

739
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 1: Russia on foreign soil had nothing to do with Russian

740
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 1: influence campaigns or anything that's happening recently. Right. He foresaw

741
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:47,359
Speaker 1: nine to eleven and the global War on Terror and

742
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 1: thought that the Russian government incited them all.

743
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:53,400
Speaker 2: Huh. I mean, yeah, pretty.

744
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 1: Creative, creative, not accurate. Yeah, I could say a lot

745
00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 1: about who was involved in nine to eleven. Not Reallyrussia.

746
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 1: They're not really their back as far as I'm aware.

747
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, well.

748
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, and anyway, so it's one of those things he's

749
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 1: pivoted more recently to being like, oh, yeah, all this

750
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:16,320
Speaker 1: stuff with Russia today, I predicted it, you know, thirty

751
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 1: years ago he didn't. He's caught the Russias. Yeah. In

752
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 1: a twenty eighteen article for the Tennessee News Herald, Colin

753
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 1: Mahoney included posts from an employee of David Taylor's summarizing

754
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,879
Speaker 1: the over one hundred and fifty face to face visitations

755
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 1: with Jesus and prophetic dreams that he had quote. In

756
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:37,879
Speaker 1: a series of dreams that he has prophesied for over

757
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 1: twelve years, God revealed that Russia was going to attack

758
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 1: America and that this war would begin doing the presidency

759
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:46,240
Speaker 1: of George W. Bush Junior. In one of these dreams,

760
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 1: the financial centers of America were attacked, and this dream

761
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 1: was fulfilled with a September eleventh attack on the World

762
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Speaker 1: Trade Center in New York. Don't be caught unprepared for

763
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:57,840
Speaker 1: what is about to hit America again. He's just completely wrong,

764
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:01,720
Speaker 1: like he does before nine to eleven, that the World

765
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 1: Trade Center will be attacked, which is not that much

766
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 1: of a prediction because it had been in ninety three,

767
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 1: and he thinks the Russians are going to do it, right,

768
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 1: He thought that w was going to go to war

769
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 1: with Russia, and we kind of do the opposite. Yeah,

770
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 1: we literally actually do the opposite.

771
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:20,919
Speaker 2: I imagine, he said, like a hundred other things though, yeah,

772
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 2: will completely off as well. There's that thing, right like

773
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 2: if you far enough shits at the wall, some of

774
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 2: it's going.

775
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 1: To stick, Yeah, exactly. And it didn't even stick.

776
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:29,839
Speaker 2: It was so wrong. Yeah.

777
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:33,280
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's the same thing as like Alex Jones

778
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 1: in two thousands saying that there's going to be attack

779
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:37,919
Speaker 1: on the World Trade Center. Well there just had been so.

780
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, and she had been saying that like for years

781
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:41,360
Speaker 2: before it. You know.

782
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like if I'm gonna be like Jake, I'm

783
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 1: getting a vision from God right now, there's going to

784
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 1: be an attack on a US military base at some

785
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:51,759
Speaker 1: point in the next five years. Yeah, I'll be right,

786
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:53,799
Speaker 1: there will be somewhere right.

787
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:56,839
Speaker 2: It's like maybe, like you know what, I think, there's

788
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 2: going to be a school shooting.

789
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's going to be a school shooting. So we're

790
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 1: in the United States, you know, like, yeah, these are

791
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 1: easy predictions to make. The stock market will go up

792
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:11,439
Speaker 1: or down. Yeah, yeah, of course. So this guy, he's

793
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:14,320
Speaker 1: got about as much claim to accuracy as Alex Jones.

794
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:18,319
Speaker 1: In nineteen ninety seven, Taylor claimed that Jesus visited him

795
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 1: and handed him the literal keys to the Kingdom of

796
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,799
Speaker 1: God quote from his church website. And now everywhere he

797
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 1: goes Mighty, regional ministries and deliverance take place to the Kingdom, demonstration,

798
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 1: drug busts take place, by the kingly decree, human trafficking

799
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 1: rings have been completely dismantled by the Kingdom and power

800
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 1: of God. And he's actually correct about this, but not

801
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 1: in the way that he wanted to be, because as

802
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:44,320
Speaker 1: of late twenty twenty five, I can say that everywhere

803
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 1: David Taylor goes there are arrests of human busts of

804
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 1: human trafficking it rings. It's just that there is.

805
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:52,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's loads of them. That's why.

806
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's loads of them. You are correct, there's a

807
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 1: definite correlation between where you are and where when trafficking

808
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 1: rings get busted.

809
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like the you know, if you're in London,

810
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 2: you're probably going to see a rat because they're fucking everywhere.

811
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, exactly, and not all of them at Parliament.

812
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 2: But the same can be said about sex trafficking rings.

813
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:23,360
Speaker 1: Right, yes, Look, you know who's whose government isn't involved

814
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:26,840
Speaker 1: in some sex trafficking. I'm asking that question genuinely.

815
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 2: I'd like to be generally, not like maybe like fucking

816
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 2: there's a place off the coast of England called Sealand.

817
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 1: Where Sealand might be okay, yeah, like it's.

818
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 2: It's basically like an old oil rig and some people

819
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:42,759
Speaker 2: like common data and declared like it to be a

820
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:44,319
Speaker 2: sovereign nation, and it kind of is.

821
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 1: Sure, maybe Sealand doesn't have ring who knows. I want

822
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 1: to believe the adorable President of Ireland doesn't have any

823
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 1: involvement there, But I know politics too well. I'm sure

824
00:39:56,320 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 1: there's something that's something. Yeah, So the September eleventh attacks

825
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 1: did help to supercharge his fan base, right, this is

826
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 1: kind of why he starts to become a popular pastor.

827
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 1: Is in the wake of that he's really able to

828
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 1: play his predictions and start drawing people to him. And

829
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 1: he spends a lot of the early aughts collecting the

830
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 1: kind of accolades and awards that allowed him to draw

831
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:21,319
Speaker 1: in more money and followers, often peeling people off of

832
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:25,360
Speaker 1: more reputable Pentecostal organizations. In two thousand and nine, he

833
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:28,360
Speaker 1: wrote his face to Facebook, which not only detailed his

834
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 1: own conversations with Jesus, but was structured as a guide

835
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 1: for worshippers to have their own in person conversations with Christ.

836
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:38,279
Speaker 1: And if you want to have an in person conversation

837
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 1: with our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, just purchase the

838
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:43,919
Speaker 1: products and services that support this podcast. All of them

839
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 1: will give you a direct line to God. That's a

840
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:48,799
Speaker 1: promise we can absolutely make.

841
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 2: I don't know about that.

842
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:01,840
Speaker 1: And we're back. Did you have a face to face

843
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:05,720
Speaker 1: meeting with with with the Lord during our ad break?

844
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 2: Is it really called the face to Facebook?

845
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:11,799
Speaker 1: It's called face to face my meetings with Jesus Christ

846
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 1: or something like that.

847
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I see, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm sad. I don't

848
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 2: think he did ei though.

849
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think he did either. Now, it is

850
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 1: worth noting that kind of during the Obama administration, one

851
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:28,320
Speaker 1: of the things he does that kind of get burnishes

852
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 1: his reputation is he receives the Presidential Lifetime Achievement Award

853
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 1: during which is like signed by Barack Obama. The apostle DAVIDY.

854
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 1: Taylor gets this award and that that's gonna sound more

855
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 1: impressive than it is. So yeah, you can see that award, Jake. Yeah, yeah,

856
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:48,800
Speaker 1: that looks like a real award.

857
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:52,760
Speaker 2: You know, about to say that's like canva looking award.

858
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not. It's not a great looking award, I'll

859
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 1: be honest. And it's not really a real award. I mean,

860
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 1: it's technically a real award. But it's not like the

861
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 1: Barack Obama didn't like single this guy out for an award.

862
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 1: The Presidential Lifetime Achievement Award is something it's a volunteer

863
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 1: service award. Anyone can apply to if they've done more

864
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 1: than four thousand hours a volunteer service for an organization

865
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:24,240
Speaker 1: in their lifetime. So basically JMMI, which is his church,

866
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 1: Like that's the like his church, the legal name for

867
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 1: his registered nonprofit church sponsored him for this award that

868
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:34,799
Speaker 1: anyone who volunteers four thousand hours or more for any

869
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 1: organization will get.

870
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:39,799
Speaker 2: Right, Like there's hundreds of these thousands.

871
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:42,840
Speaker 1: And I'm sure for like people who really volunteer for

872
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:44,959
Speaker 1: a good cause, this is a nice thing to get.

873
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 1: But his own organization just said he volunteered four thousand

874
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:53,919
Speaker 1: hours at the organization that pays him. Like I if

875
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 1: I just were to frame this podcast as a volunteer effort,

876
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 1: I could get this award, right. I've spent four thousand

877
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:01,280
Speaker 1: and hours on this job.

878
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:05,959
Speaker 2: I love the he speaks face to face with Jesus,

879
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 2: but he got his congregation to plug him to get

880
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 2: the Obama Canva Award, like it's talking to Jesus.

881
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 1: Imba was a little harder to talk to, you know.

882
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, very very interesting guy.

883
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 1: He's a busier man than Jesus at this point in time.

884
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 1: So again, and a big part of his this In

885
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 1: two thousand and nine, this book Face to Face comes out,

886
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 1: and it's a guide for how you two can talk

887
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:35,759
Speaker 1: to God one on one and if that doesn't work

888
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:37,879
Speaker 1: for you, if somehow just reading this book isn't enough

889
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 1: and you're not seeing God physically in the flesh and

890
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 1: feeling him, well, he offers a more personal touch, right.

891
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 1: This is how this is what he's like because because

892
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 1: his cult, most of the people who are listening to

893
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:54,400
Speaker 1: his churches, who are watching him, you know, watching like

894
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:57,720
Speaker 1: the videos of his church services or going in person,

895
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 1: they're not full on cult members. They're giving him money

896
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:05,280
Speaker 1: and stuff he needs. Thousands of those people. His actual

897
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:08,319
Speaker 1: cult members are just a few dozen people. And these

898
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 1: are the folks who they're like, Hey, this book, I'm

899
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 1: still not talking to God. I really want to meet

900
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 1: him in person. And David's like, well, then you got

901
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:17,839
Speaker 1: to come work for me. You have to give up

902
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:19,880
Speaker 1: all of your money, sign it all over to me,

903
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 1: everything that you're worth, cut off your friends and family,

904
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 1: who don't recognize me as a prophet and join the church, right,

905
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 1: and he promises I can get you a connection directly

906
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 1: to Jesus Christ because and this is the official stance

907
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 1: of his church, David Taylor is the best friend of

908
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ. That's his actual title. Really, yeah, he's the

909
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 1: best Like that is his title. He is an apostle

910
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 1: and the best friend.

911
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:49,959
Speaker 2: Of Jesus Christ, right, Okay.

912
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:55,919
Speaker 1: Which, like I would have guess Paul, maybe yeah, you know, yeah,

913
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:57,800
Speaker 1: I feel like they went through more together.

914
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 2: But yeah, okay, it's such a funny thing to go for.

915
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:04,319
Speaker 2: Like a lot of these guys were like I am

916
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 2: the new Jesus or like, you know, like God, this

917
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 2: guy is like, now we're just best mates.

918
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 1: Now we're super tight though. Yeah, like I have not

919
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:20,319
Speaker 1: God myself, but I am his best friend Jesus Christ exactly. So.

920
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 1: Through his church organization jmm I, which stands for Joshua

921
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 1: Media Ministries International, Taylor starts buying up properties during the

922
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 1: Obama years. In twenty eleven, they purchase a twenty nine

923
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:36,360
Speaker 1: and twenty square foot industrial building in Taylor, Michigan, and

924
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 1: they move at least ten people onto the property to start,

925
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 1: although it's sometimes occupied by more, you know, up to

926
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 1: a few dozen. And these people are some of there.

927
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:48,360
Speaker 1: There's somewhere I think sixty ish is the average number

928
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 1: of full time cult members that he has. I think

929
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 1: it's sometimes more like in the hundred or hundreds. Even

930
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 1: it's kind of hard to tell because I don't think

931
00:45:57,520 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 1: we have a great accounting. Some of the sources are

932
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 1: like there were six people in one of these buildings,

933
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:05,280
Speaker 1: and they own buildings in multiple states. Eventually they start

934
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:08,959
Speaker 1: with this property in Taylor, Michigan, but they're gonna wind

935
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 1: up buying properties like all over the United States by

936
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 1: the time they get raided. In addition to the property

937
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:18,839
Speaker 1: in Taylor, they have a property in Chesterfield, Missouri. They

938
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 1: have one in Eureka, Missouri, Wildwood, Tampa, Florida, Ocala, Florida,

939
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 1: and Houston, Texas. So and these are a mix of

940
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:32,319
Speaker 1: Some of these are just actual church buildings. Some of

941
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 1: these are mansions, like again Nellie's old place in Saint

942
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 1: Louis or near Saint Louis is like one of the

943
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:42,880
Speaker 1: places they're occupying. Some of them are like warehouse spaces.

944
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 1: So it's a variety of different kinds of properties, but

945
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:50,359
Speaker 1: they are in like five or six states, right, so

946
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:52,880
Speaker 1: they're operating all over the place, and they're setting up

947
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 1: not just like they don't just own these buildings. They

948
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:58,360
Speaker 1: have billboards on the way into and out of town

949
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:01,880
Speaker 1: that are like plugging both their churches and the services

950
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 1: they're doing. He brings in other people as pastors under

951
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 1: him because he can't preach it more than one church

952
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 1: at a time, right, so that this does expand to

953
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 1: be a sizable organization. And the people who are full

954
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 1: time cold members have to give up their bank accounts,

955
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:21,760
Speaker 1: they have to sign over their retirement accounts and inheritances

956
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 1: in order to serve the apostle in his world historic mission,

957
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 1: which is God wants him to prepare seven billion souls

958
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:33,359
Speaker 1: for a great heavenly harvest. You know, like that's the

959
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 1: that's what his ministry is going to do.

960
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:40,360
Speaker 2: That sounds like things are getting a little bit darker.

961
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:43,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a little darker. It's a big job you're

962
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 1: taking on. And yeah, now, if you're trying to save

963
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 1: seven billion souls, you can't do that by having people

964
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 1: come into a physical church, right. You can't even really

965
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 1: do that just by having a TV channel seven billion

966
00:47:57,120 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 1: is a lot of people. There's only one way to

967
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:02,279
Speaker 1: reach that many people by using the most efficient form

968
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 1: about reaching existence, a call center.

969
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 2: I knew that was coming. Yeah, yeah, Zooming God.

970
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:13,279
Speaker 1: Basically, yeah, Zooming God. The cult starts operating in the

971
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 1: early adds a twenty four to seven prayer line, and

972
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:19,400
Speaker 1: they have online ads. They have billboards all over in

973
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:22,360
Speaker 1: states like like Missouri, right where they direct worshippers to

974
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:25,799
Speaker 1: call in if they needed a miracle. And so this

975
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:28,919
Speaker 1: is framed as like are you desperate? Are you maybe suicidal?

976
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:31,399
Speaker 1: Are you in like serious need of like some sort

977
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 1: of help, you know, call this number and we can

978
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 1: help you, right like like and it again, it's kind

979
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:43,879
Speaker 1: of almost framed as like a suicide hotline or are

980
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 1: you are you about to get evicted? Is is your

981
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:50,839
Speaker 1: life in shambles? Basically like we can this cult can

982
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 1: help you, right, the Kingdom of God can can fix

983
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:56,279
Speaker 1: whatever the hell is wrong with you, just give us

984
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:59,479
Speaker 1: a call. So they are deliberately going after the most

985
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:03,359
Speaker 1: vulnerable people, right like, that's obviously what's going on here.

986
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 1: And yeah, the whole purpose of the prayer line isn't

987
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:10,280
Speaker 1: to actually help anyone. It's not even to really pray

988
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:13,759
Speaker 1: for anyone. The entire reason for this is to get

989
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:18,359
Speaker 1: people talking to his church's unpaid workers, who were, like

990
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:20,479
Speaker 1: they were each supposed to talk to hundreds of people

991
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 1: a day and bring in tens of thousands of dollars

992
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 1: in donations. Right, this is just a donation thing, because

993
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 1: it becomes clear once you're talking to the prayer line

994
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 1: that if you really want your prayers to work, if

995
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 1: you want God to listen to you, you got to

996
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:34,880
Speaker 1: pay up, you know, otherwise, how dos you know you're serious?

997
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 1: Per an article in Saint Louis Magazine, According to the

998
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 1: indictment against Taylor and brand and Brandon's like his top

999
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:44,880
Speaker 1: number one, Lady Taylor instructed followers working the call centers

1000
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 1: to lie and say that collected money was to be

1001
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:49,319
Speaker 1: used to build wells and impoverished parts of the world

1002
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 1: and fight human trafficking. So you have to put in

1003
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 1: some money to prove to God that you're serious. But

1004
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:56,719
Speaker 1: we're only going to use it to help people, you know,

1005
00:49:56,800 --> 00:50:00,919
Speaker 1: to further our great work. And from what I can tell,

1006
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 1: a lot of the appeal here is the promise that

1007
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 1: David is going to intervene directly with Jesus and use

1008
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:10,759
Speaker 1: his friendship to save the lives of your dying loved ones. Right,

1009
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 1: if you have a serious problem, largely family members who

1010
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:18,800
Speaker 1: are sick, David can intervene on your behalf for enough money.

1011
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 1: And this is a claim that they made specifically.

1012
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, sorry, this is where for me, it's just becomes

1013
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 2: so evil, Like it's just so nasty to do that

1014
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:28,920
Speaker 2: to people.

1015
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 1: You know, it's disgusting, right, because people. I've had a

1016
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:35,720
Speaker 1: loved one who had thankfully it wound up being benign,

1017
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 1: but had a brain tumor and we didn't know if

1018
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:41,400
Speaker 1: it was cancerous or not for a while. We just

1019
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 1: knew it was affecting her memory. It was just really

1020
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 1: fucking her life up. And obviously we went to doctors,

1021
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 1: we like did the and that's how we found out,

1022
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 1: and we got it medicated and whatnot. But we were

1023
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 1: also trying all sorts of nonsense treatments, right, stuff that

1024
00:50:57,640 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 1: I would not have thought because you just you just

1025
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:02,880
Speaker 1: desperate and terrified. Yeah, you know you read on the

1026
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 1: maybe this fucking helps. Okay, you know it's not smart.

1027
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 1: It's just when you're someone you love is sick and

1028
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:13,239
Speaker 1: you have no idea what's wrong. It's very easy, Like

1029
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:17,920
Speaker 1: I do have empathy people being conned here, it's.

1030
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 2: So easy to be like, oh, that's fucking stupid. If

1031
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:23,799
Speaker 2: you've ever been in like that dark fucking trench of

1032
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:26,880
Speaker 2: just kind of mis damn and fear. Absolutely, it is

1033
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:30,960
Speaker 2: exactly that. Yeah, and you it's incredible how quickly you

1034
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 2: will go right. Yesterday that was the craziest thing ever.

1035
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 2: Now today, I'll try it. Whatever it is, you know,

1036
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 2: it's it's really sad anything, Yeah, exactly, Like who knows,

1037
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 2: you know, it's very sad to pray on people like that.

1038
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:43,319
Speaker 2: It's it's just vile.

1039
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the evilest thing I think that you can

1040
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:51,400
Speaker 1: pretty much do outside of like murdered directly murdering people

1041
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:55,880
Speaker 1: or whatever. I guess it's it's on the I don't know.

1042
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 1: We don't need to quantify it, but yeah, it's it's

1043
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:01,960
Speaker 1: pretty hideous. So he is making these claims very directly.

1044
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 1: And my favorite specific example of this is a claim

1045
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 1: repeated in numerous cult propaganda videos and articles. Here's one

1046
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 1: example published on his church's website. A pastor received a

1047
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 1: text message that his cousin had dropped down dead while

1048
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 1: taking a shower. He sent a text to David E.

1049
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:20,880
Speaker 1: Taylor explaining the situation. Right after he released that command

1050
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:23,880
Speaker 1: to get up. He being David Taylor, the young man's

1051
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:27,920
Speaker 1: heart started beating again. And so this is the claim

1052
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:30,400
Speaker 1: he's making that this pastor calls and said, my cousin

1053
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 1: just dropped dead from a heart attack. And Taylor yells,

1054
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 1: get up into the phone, and his cousin's heart starts

1055
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 1: beating again. And there's give his proof. Like in articles

1056
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 1: and stuff like this, there's pictures generally shared. I'll show

1057
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:46,800
Speaker 1: you one example here. You can see there's a photo

1058
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:49,319
Speaker 1: of the kid in the hospital giving a thumbs up,

1059
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:51,880
Speaker 1: and then like a picture of him healthy outside of it.

1060
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:55,120
Speaker 1: Before and after. It says young man raised from the

1061
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:57,800
Speaker 1: dead by the Lord working through David Taylor.

1062
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:03,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, great, the thumbs up. Fucking killing the thumbs up.

1063
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 1: Let you know that he's okay because David Taylor braid

1064
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 1: for him. Obviously, I'm convinced this seems like truth to me.

1065
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:13,120
Speaker 2: Came back from the dead, and he's like, yop, thumbs up.

1066
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:16,719
Speaker 1: Thumbs up, I'm good. I do want to play you

1067
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 1: one of the YouTube propaganda videos that cult put out,

1068
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:23,240
Speaker 1: which focused on a different claim of power over life

1069
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 1: and death and actually gives you. You get to see

1070
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:29,120
Speaker 1: some of David Taylor uh and his wife preaching in

1071
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:31,799
Speaker 1: this and as a bonus, Jake, keep an eye out.

1072
00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:34,839
Speaker 1: David Taylor is wearing what I can only describe as

1073
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:38,400
Speaker 1: the most incredible outfit I have ever seen in my life. Okay,

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Speaker 1: it is this is this is special. Sure experience the

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Speaker 1: dead being race critical condition. Tonight after a shooting outside

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Speaker 1: of Georgia restaurant. Tell me you heard about this year

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Speaker 1: of NFL Super Bowl, a young man was shot.

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00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:55,720
Speaker 2: Point blink rooting for the forty nine. It was national news.

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00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:56,839
Speaker 4: This is the young man.

1080
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:01,279
Speaker 5: Four people had already died around him.

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00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 3: The doctor said, Chris is not gonna make it.

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00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 1: The young man win it to Acoma and died for

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Speaker 1: twenty minutes.

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Speaker 3: And they said, never in the history of the hospital

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00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:14,719
Speaker 3: had they lost four patients with a fifth expected. A

1086
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:18,000
Speaker 3: text apostle Taylor. He said, Chris is not gonna die,

1087
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Speaker 3: He's gonna lead it.

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Speaker 1: This was a resurrection.

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00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:23,320
Speaker 3: Yes, it was shot twice.

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Speaker 4: That's here.

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Speaker 1: It is a year later, and I'm standing before.

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00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:28,680
Speaker 2: Your dad can't be raised.

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00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:31,200
Speaker 5: My cousin had just dropped down dead while taking a shower,

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00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:33,080
Speaker 5: and I'd seen the Lord and yours DAVIDY Taylor to

1095
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:35,160
Speaker 5: raise the dead. I sent him a text and he

1096
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:36,839
Speaker 5: sent me a text and said the Lord told them

1097
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 5: only twowards to set, and that was get up, And

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00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:42,279
Speaker 5: shortly after Posse released the command, my cousin was raised

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Speaker 5: from the dead.

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Speaker 1: Okay, well, for those of you watching the video, we'll

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00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:49,680
Speaker 1: cut in here, like right now while I'm talking, we'll

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Speaker 1: have our editor throwing a screen grab of David and

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00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:56,399
Speaker 1: that incredible outfit. But Jake, how would you describe him?

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00:54:56,800 --> 00:55:00,279
Speaker 2: Look, you know, you know you in the Beasts, Like

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00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:03,160
Speaker 2: there's a there's a bit, Yeah, there's a bit where

1106
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 2: he gets really dressed up to like take Bell to

1107
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:08,359
Speaker 2: like well not take her out, but they do something

1108
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:12,760
Speaker 2: fancy dinner, and it's basically that. It's literally that outfit.

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00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:15,840
Speaker 1: Man telling you, yeah, yeah, it's literally it's it's something

1110
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:17,279
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson would have worn.

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00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 2: It's fucking mate. It something like Prince would have worn

1112
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:22,960
Speaker 2: if you had a kid with Michael Jackson. Like it's

1113
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:23,800
Speaker 2: like next level.

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Speaker 1: I do want that jacket, right, Like I.

1115
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 2: Do want to wear And just people looking at you,

1116
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 2: like what Jesus is my best mate. Fuck off, can

1117
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:33,799
Speaker 2: wear what I want.

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00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:34,880
Speaker 1: Incredible stuff.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the the production of that is kind of wild though,

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Speaker 2: Like I'll be honest, it's pretty clever, like it's kind

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00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:45,920
Speaker 2: of it's well, yeah, it's well made, and it's presented

1122
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:48,760
Speaker 2: as a news report kind of. I've actually not seen

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Speaker 2: a cult do that, I don't think, maybe not so

1124
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:55,359
Speaker 2: not that level. Like that's pretty dark but unique in

1125
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:55,840
Speaker 2: that sense.

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00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:58,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's pretty novel, right, and it's it's it's a

1127
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:01,440
Speaker 1: cross you said, Yeah, there's it's across between like a

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00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:07,680
Speaker 1: network news broadcast and like a movie trailer. Is interesting. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Now I should say before we close out here, the

1130
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:13,200
Speaker 1: actual story of what happened to that young man who

1131
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:16,160
Speaker 1: dropped dead and supposedly got brought back to life because

1132
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 1: Taylor commanded him to over the phone. There was a

1133
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:23,279
Speaker 1: real young guy who had a heart attack and I

1134
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 1: think was legally dead for a period of time. It

1135
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:29,120
Speaker 1: was not his claim. The claim made by the church

1136
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:31,360
Speaker 1: in all of David Taylor's websites is that like a

1137
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:33,880
Speaker 1: pastor called him and told him about this this member

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00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 1: of his church who had dropped dead. The young man

1139
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:40,439
Speaker 1: was actually the cousin of a JMMI employee, by which

1140
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:44,560
Speaker 1: I mean an unpaid worker named Joseph Busch. So one

1141
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:49,160
Speaker 1: of what actually happened here is that this dude who's

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00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:52,200
Speaker 1: a member of the Colt's cousin has a heart attack

1143
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:55,400
Speaker 1: and is dead for a while and then gets brought

1144
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:59,440
Speaker 1: back and is okay and recovers because that happens to

1145
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:04,439
Speaker 1: people some times. And Joseph tells Taylor, and Taylor's like, oh,

1146
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:07,640
Speaker 1: I saved him, right, and then he starts massaging the

1147
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:08,439
Speaker 1: story from there.

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00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:11,279
Speaker 2: Right, you know, his kid was in hospital with his

1149
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:13,280
Speaker 2: thumb up, but it was not the reason.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, had nothing to do with David E. Taylor. And

1151
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:19,640
Speaker 1: he was not called by another pastor. He did nothing

1152
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 1: over the phone, like because that's just not possibly found

1153
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:24,920
Speaker 1: out about it because one of his cult members was

1154
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 1: the guy's cousin. It's not a fucking other church or whatever.

1155
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 1: And yeah, I think that he either told this guy,

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00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:36,360
Speaker 1: you know, basically lie so that we can use this

1157
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:38,280
Speaker 1: to recruit, or this guy is just enough of a

1158
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:39,840
Speaker 1: cult member that he was like, yeah, that was me

1159
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:42,360
Speaker 1: who saved him, and the guy was like, oh my god, Mike,

1160
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:45,240
Speaker 1: thank you. You know, something like that happened one of

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00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 1: the two, but it's not the story that's being told here.

1162
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:51,160
Speaker 1: And this is all like silly and fucked up, but

1163
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:53,360
Speaker 1: it does get to like the central darkness at the

1164
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:57,120
Speaker 1: core of what is otherwise a pretty standard Pentecostal cult movement.

1165
00:57:57,600 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 1: The whole appeal of David E. Taylor to the dedicated

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00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:02,920
Speaker 1: cult members who staffed his call center and of the

1167
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 1: thousands of more casual members who came to see him

1168
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:08,520
Speaker 1: speak at three day miracle raising events, or those who

1169
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:11,320
Speaker 1: called into his prayer line, the appeal was that this

1170
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:14,960
Speaker 1: guy could save your loved ones from death. And for

1171
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:17,880
Speaker 1: most people, the extra bit of hope they got sending

1172
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:21,080
Speaker 1: in a donation or getting a prayer to tailor's ears

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00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:23,720
Speaker 1: was enough, right, And I'm going to guess that in

1174
00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:26,640
Speaker 1: a lot of cases, it's somebody sick and you're worried

1175
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 1: about them, so you call and you send some money,

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00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:31,640
Speaker 1: and then they get better because generally people do, and

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00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:35,320
Speaker 1: you're like, yeah, probably helped, right. But for the folks

1178
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:37,840
Speaker 1: who actually made up the man power of his cult,

1179
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:40,479
Speaker 1: the people who he is actually trafficking, right, the folks

1180
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:43,720
Speaker 1: who are effectively enslaved working for him, the situation is

1181
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:45,960
Speaker 1: a lot more serious. Right, These are not just people

1182
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:48,440
Speaker 1: calling in when they're worried and sending in a few bucks.

1183
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:51,240
Speaker 1: And David isn't just promising that he can save the

1184
00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:55,320
Speaker 1: people they care about from dying. He's also threatening them, right,

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00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:58,120
Speaker 1: He's telling them that, you know, I can save your

1186
00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:02,080
Speaker 1: loved ones, or I can make God take them away. Right,

1187
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:05,520
Speaker 1: I can have God curse you or the people you

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00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:08,920
Speaker 1: care about and destroy them, or you if you're not

1189
00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:12,760
Speaker 1: bringing in enough money in donations. That's that's where this

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00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:15,840
Speaker 1: kind of morph's in fairly quick order over the course

1191
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:18,280
Speaker 1: of like the Late Oughts, Right, that's where David E.

1192
00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:19,640
Speaker 1: Taylor's ministry goes.

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Speaker 2: I saw and I saw this happen before in a cult,

1194
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:26,400
Speaker 2: and I found someone really interested in explaining. Maybe not always,

1195
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:28,400
Speaker 2: but they were saying, like the reason that happens is

1196
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:31,720
Speaker 2: because they get really angry that they're not Like they

1197
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:33,600
Speaker 2: get rich and then they want more and they get

1198
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:35,480
Speaker 2: angry that they're not getting it. And it's like they

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00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:39,400
Speaker 2: process the anger through being like, yeah, I'll smite your

1200
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:42,479
Speaker 2: whole family or whatever. Like it's it's like directly linked

1201
00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:44,000
Speaker 2: to their own little feelings, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, Yeah, I agree entirely. And you know, Jake, that's uh,

1203
00:59:51,560 --> 00:59:53,840
Speaker 1: that's the episode. That's part one. You get anything you

1204
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:55,080
Speaker 1: want to plug here at the end.

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Speaker 2: Uh, well, Jesus is actually my best friend. So the

1206
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:04,520
Speaker 2: we go and also listen to sad Oligarch. We just

1207
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Speaker 2: got season two out. It's some of the most well,

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01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:10,400
Speaker 2: it's some of the most work I've ever done on

1209
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:14,360
Speaker 2: something in such a difficult way, like since we did

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Speaker 2: season one. I'm not saying it's because of us, but

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Speaker 2: since we did season one, it's extremely hard to get

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01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:22,680
Speaker 2: any info on anything right now. So I'm really proud

1213
01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:25,400
Speaker 2: of the work we've done, me and Sergey and Victim Mihiel,

1214
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:28,320
Speaker 2: and we've just absolutely smashed it. Man, really really enjoying it.

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Speaker 2: I think people like it. So yeah, Man, sad Oligarch

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Speaker 2: season two, it's out now.

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Speaker 1: Sad Oligarchs Season two is out now. Is Jake responsible

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Speaker 1: for the deaths of any of these oligarchs? You know,

1219
01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:43,160
Speaker 1: we can't say no. We can't say no.

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Speaker 2: I promise no, Jake.

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01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:50,800
Speaker 1: Jake says no. All right, that's it. Everybody come back

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Speaker 1: in part two and we'll hear more cult shit.

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