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Speaker 1: Hi. This is Laura Vandercamp. I'm a mother of five,

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Speaker 1: an author, journalist, and speaker. And this is Sarah Hartunger.

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Speaker 1: I'm a mother of three, a practicing physician and blogger.

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Speaker 1: On the side, we are two working parents who love

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Speaker 1: our careers and our families. Welcome to best of both worlds.

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Speaker 1: Here we talk about how real women manage work, family,

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Speaker 1: and time for fun, from figuring out childcare to mapping

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Speaker 1: out long term career goals. We want you to get

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Speaker 1: the most out of life. Welcome to best of both worlds.

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Speaker 1: This is Laura. This is episode two hundred and eighty seven,

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Speaker 1: airing at the very end of January twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 1: In this episode, we are going to talk about the

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Speaker 1: concept of upgrading. First, we're going to talk about the

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Speaker 1: things we have chosen not to upgrade in our lives.

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Speaker 1: Then we'll talk about some things that we have upgraded.

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Speaker 1: And then we're going to talk about some little problems

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Speaker 1: in life that we have committed to fixing, little pebbles

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Speaker 1: in the shoe, giving ourselves a life upgrade, if not

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Speaker 1: exactly a flying first class or anything like that. Which,

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Speaker 1: by the way, Sarah, have you ever unexpectedly gotten like

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Speaker 1: upgraded on a flight. I have only flown first class

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Speaker 1: once in my life. It was like, not even a

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Speaker 1: long flight, and I was using miles, and I noticed

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Speaker 1: that the number of miles I had to use to

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Speaker 1: get first class, like wasn't that bad. And I was like,

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Speaker 1: you know what, I'm gonna fly from like Durham to

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Speaker 1: That's the only time ever I think, actually, I have

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Speaker 1: just just achieved gold status with American Airlines, mostly because

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Speaker 1: I have a credit card through them, so maybe there'll

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Speaker 1: be upgrades in my future, but it's never actually happened

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Speaker 1: to me before. Yeah, yeah, that's a so humorously. Like

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Speaker 1: when we're flying as a family, so my husband has,

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Speaker 1: you know, his status on the various airlines, and so

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Speaker 1: we'll be flying with the family, we all have our

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Speaker 1: economy class tickets as we do, and they'll always page him.

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Speaker 1: They'll be like paging Michael Conway, like come to the front.

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Speaker 1: It's like, so he'll automatically get upgraded every time there's

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Speaker 1: I once got unexpectedly downgraded. That was fun. And we

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Speaker 1: and like we were saying, for whatever reason, it hadn't

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Speaker 1: and I was like, well, great, I'll get to sleep,

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Speaker 1: this sometimes happens, and you're like, wait, wait, what's going on?

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Speaker 1: And I get there and they had taken away my

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Speaker 1: we're first talking about the things in this concept of upgrade,

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Speaker 1: like the things we have not upgraded in life, because

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Speaker 1: there's a great many things that you really like don't

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Speaker 1: necessarily have to and among them, Sarah and I are

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Speaker 1: what are you driving these days? Sarah? Yeah, so we

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Speaker 1: My husband is driving a twenty eleven Prius. I think

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Speaker 1: have not upgraded. So jeans, I literally like downgraded my

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Speaker 1: So which, by the way, for anyone who didn't read

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Speaker 1: this on the blog, Sarah won her age group. Okay, Like,

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Speaker 1: So that was a very exciting thing to not need

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Speaker 1: Like certain people may be like, oh, but shouldn't you

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Speaker 1: which is amazing because yes, old school scrubs are just

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Speaker 1: like these boxy, baggy well, because I assumed you're wearing

426
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Speaker 1: scrubs because you might get messy, right like that you're yeah,

427
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Speaker 1: but I don't, I mean, I know, like, so, yeah,

428
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Speaker 1: I guess that's what I'm trying to is it's mostly

429
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Speaker 1: specialties that would be in it's something where mess might

430
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Speaker 1: happen in the course of year caring for people. Yeah,

431
00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:03,440
Speaker 1: I feel like that's where it like started, and then

432
00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:06,639
Speaker 1: you know, other nurses and other stuff and other specialties,

433
00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:09,719
Speaker 1: like it just became diregard to like to see people

434
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Speaker 1: wearing scrubs, and I think that's kind of just that's

435
00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:14,840
Speaker 1: it's spread. But you're right, there's no like functional reason

436
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Speaker 1: that I neet to be wearing Okay, I mean, every

437
00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:18,600
Speaker 1: once in a while some kid will like sneeze all

438
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Speaker 1: over me or something that can happen at home too.

439
00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:24,439
Speaker 1: That's true. That's true, And you're not wearing scrubs at

440
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Speaker 1: home though. That's an idea. You know, if somebody's got

441
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Speaker 1: to children going through let's say a stomach bug, maybe

442
00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:31,480
Speaker 1: just wearing scrubs for the week might be might be

443
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Speaker 1: a wise move. So I have decided to upgrade my

444
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Speaker 1: strength training. So we had a lot of feedback at

445
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Speaker 1: our Goals episode, people sending me various ideas. I had

446
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Speaker 1: mentioned that I wanted to make strength training a more

447
00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:48,920
Speaker 1: regular part of my exercise. Is you know, I get older.

448
00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,480
Speaker 1: I got I keep talking about getting older on this episode. Anyway,

449
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:54,199
Speaker 1: It's on my mind for whatever reason. But I was

450
00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:56,800
Speaker 1: having some lower back pain that I thought maybe strength

451
00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:59,880
Speaker 1: training would help with, and you know, so I wanted

452
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Speaker 1: to to do that more regularly. And I don't have

453
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Speaker 1: trouble sticking with stuff, but it needs to be motivational

454
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Speaker 1: for me, and I hadn't found any strength training regimen

455
00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:13,439
Speaker 1: that I actually found motivational to stick with. But I

456
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Speaker 1: decided to hire a virtual trainer. So we've had our

457
00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:19,840
Speaker 1: first session and that went really well. So we're going

458
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Speaker 1: to keep going for the you know your future, doing

459
00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:26,040
Speaker 1: this once a week or so virtually, and I'm pretty

460
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Speaker 1: excited about it. I bought a bunch of resistance bands

461
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:31,680
Speaker 1: and like an exercise ball and all that. I have

462
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Speaker 1: my spot up in the movie room where I have

463
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Speaker 1: an open space that I can do it. And yeah,

464
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Speaker 1: so we'll see. I think this will make it. I

465
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Speaker 1: mean clearly, if you have a trainer meeting with you,

466
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Speaker 1: you're going to do it at least the times that

467
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Speaker 1: you're meeting with the trainer. So that should help establish

468
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:48,760
Speaker 1: it least slightly more regularly. And that's the kind of

469
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:52,480
Speaker 1: thing that people know, but I had never done before.

470
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Speaker 1: So now I've upgraded to that. And this is live

471
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Speaker 1: virtual training, so not like you just get prescribed to

472
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Speaker 1: work out, but somebody's on the other end of a

473
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Speaker 1: watching you from a distance. The gentleman face times me

474
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:06,359
Speaker 1: and we converse that way. Love it, yes, so that

475
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Speaker 1: I'm excited to hear how that goes and whether you're

476
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Speaker 1: able to stick with it, because I'm proud of you.

477
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:14,720
Speaker 1: It's awesome. Yeah. Yeah, And Sarah, one thing that you

478
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Speaker 1: might be taking to the gym as your as your

479
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Speaker 1: final upgrade, my final upgrade. Actually, I have no plans

480
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Speaker 1: to take this to the gym. I want to take

481
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Speaker 1: it to work. You guys know that I talked about

482
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:27,800
Speaker 1: like headaches and hydration and how that might play into that,

483
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:33,080
Speaker 1: and so I finally decided. People were like, you don't understand.

484
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Speaker 1: I know it's very basic and very instagram and whatever,

485
00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:39,240
Speaker 1: but I bought a Stanley water bottle, and all of

486
00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 1: a sudden, I just wanted to drink so much more.

487
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Speaker 1: So I finally succom what why is it? Why would

488
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:46,479
Speaker 1: a Stanley make you want to dam mean, I'll have

489
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Speaker 1: to report back. There is like a straw mechanism and

490
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:52,120
Speaker 1: it keeps the water nice and cold, So maybe there's

491
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Speaker 1: just something about like the ease it with I don't know,

492
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:58,800
Speaker 1: but anyway, I decided maybe it's just more like the trainer,

493
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Speaker 1: Like if I have the bottom and I've bought the

494
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:03,320
Speaker 1: bottle for this purpose and I've committed, then I'm going

495
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 1: to like drain the bottle when I'm at work. So

496
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 1: I got the thirty ounce tumbler and public service announcement,

497
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:12,200
Speaker 1: do not buy this on Amazon because somehow they must

498
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:14,199
Speaker 1: be like in demand or something certain colors, because the

499
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 1: prices are like jacked up on Amazon. And then if

500
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Speaker 1: you actually go to the website of Stanley, which is

501
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 1: that the brand I was influenced to choose, they're much

502
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Speaker 1: more reasonable. So I ordered directly from the company. It said,

503
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Speaker 1: it shipped, it's on its way. I've upgraded my hydration

504
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:32,320
Speaker 1: vessel and I'm very excited. Yay. Yeah. Well, so those

505
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 1: are just a few things we are electing consciously to upgrade.

506
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Speaker 1: There's some also things in our life that we recognize

507
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Speaker 1: are not working. So the phrase I we'd used and

508
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:45,679
Speaker 1: i'd heard like pebble in your shoe, Like if you

509
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Speaker 1: have something that's constantly a source of irritation, like getting

510
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 1: the pebble out of your shoe is a major life

511
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Speaker 1: upgrade and so we'll throw out there as an idea

512
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Speaker 1: that if anyone can identify any of these pebbles in

513
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Speaker 1: your shoes that you think you need to change, use

514
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 1: this as a nudge to do it. So both of us,

515
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:10,920
Speaker 1: Sarah and I, we record a lot of podcasts. You

516
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 1: might think we have fancy podcasts recording spaces. You would

517
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:18,639
Speaker 1: be wrong. Where are you recording from, Sarah? I am

518
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 1: in my closet, Yeah, with the door closed, which audio

519
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:27,199
Speaker 1: wise is decent. Comfort wise is bad because you're like,

520
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,159
Speaker 1: sit are you? You're on a chair though, right, but

521
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:32,880
Speaker 1: you're okay. It's actually my husband's bedside table that every

522
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:34,639
Speaker 1: time I need to record I have to drag it

523
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Speaker 1: into the closet. He has pointed out that I have

524
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:40,199
Speaker 1: dinged it, as I said, not easy on anything, and

525
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:42,200
Speaker 1: like banged it against the wall. So that wasn't very nice.

526
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,200
Speaker 1: And this isn't even a Nikia table. It's wes elm.

527
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 1: You guys like that is for us, Like anyway, you're

528
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,880
Speaker 1: using the fancy table here, but you're hauling it back

529
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:54,120
Speaker 1: and forth and I'm going to a move every week exactly.

530
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:56,240
Speaker 1: I plug in the laptop and like if that wasn't

531
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Speaker 1: bad enough, like, Okay, yes, I am sitting and that's great.

532
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:01,159
Speaker 1: But because it's a bedside table and now of this,

533
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:02,879
Speaker 1: my legs don't actually fit under it, so I have

534
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 1: to like swish my legs sideways. I sit in this weird,

535
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:08,359
Speaker 1: twisted way, and I'm probably like straining my back in

536
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 1: terrible formats, and sometimes my microphone falls off the table

537
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,120
Speaker 1: and messes up my recording and there's nowhere to put

538
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 1: my notes. So I don't know. I think I could

539
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 1: actually shove a bigger akia desk. This was my husband's suggestion,

540
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:22,119
Speaker 1: and he's going to listen to this and say, hey,

541
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 1: you got so mad when I suggested that, because I did,

542
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:26,480
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't want a big desk in

543
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:29,199
Speaker 1: my closet. But I think he's right as he is

544
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 1: about all things related to spatial things, and I think

545
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,680
Speaker 1: that would greatly help my ergonomics because this room from

546
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 1: a sound standpoint is actually decent, so I might as

547
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 1: well continue to use the space. Yeah. Yeah, closets are

548
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 1: great for recording. By the way, if anyone's thinking of

549
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:47,119
Speaker 1: starting a podcast, you know, I can tell this quality

550
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,439
Speaker 1: is different in So I'm in a closet in my

551
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 1: office and it got this great wallpaper on the Sarah

552
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:57,120
Speaker 1: can see it. You guys can't see it because you're

553
00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,680
Speaker 1: listening to it. But the wallpaper was here from the

554
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 1: previous owner, and I was like, oh, that's interesting. You know,

555
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,439
Speaker 1: it's kind of cool. Got it's like a bookcase. It

556
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 1: looks like real books, only they're fake books. Because it's wallpaper.

557
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 1: It turns out to be rather pricey wallpaper, which I

558
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 1: never would have done on my own. But now it's here,

559
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:16,719
Speaker 1: So now I'm like, well, I got to take care

560
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,359
Speaker 1: of it. Anyway. I'm in this closet. However, I am

561
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 1: sitting on the floor, so because I know when we

562
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 1: moved here a year ago, I was like, well, I

563
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 1: got to get set up right away. Like I had deadlines,

564
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 1: I had things I had to record. It was like,

565
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 1: you know, we moved and then like I had to

566
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 1: get a ad in like two days later and said, Okay,

567
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:34,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna just shove everything in the closet. I'll figure

568
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Speaker 1: it out. I've got, you know, a cushion, I'll just

569
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 1: sit on that and set up my stuff on this,

570
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 1: you know, beIN it's like a filing cabinet type thing

571
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 1: that I sit on. Tubbet and it was fine and

572
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 1: was probably going to be fine for a week, and

573
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 1: then I have not changed it. So I am still

574
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Speaker 1: sitting on the floor, which has occasionally been because I've

575
00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 1: also given virtual speeches from here. And then there was

576
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 1: one sort of sad situation where I had to stand

577
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 1: up for something and people are like, wait, you're on

578
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 1: the floor. You know you have discussed having back pain,

579
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 1: and there could be some correlations yours a week sitting

580
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 1: on a cushion on the floor. I don't know, well,

581
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 1: you know, I I thought that. I mean, because there's

582
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Speaker 1: some cultures that sit, do you know, sit on cushions

583
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 1: on floors for various things, and I don't I don't

584
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 1: know that they are plagued with more back pain than others.

585
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 1: And in many cases maybe they are not. I don't,

586
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 1: you know, because you have to have a certain amount

587
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 1: of how much hunching over your microsp that is true doing,

588
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 1: and because I'm trying to turn toward the microphone, there's

589
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 1: there's a certain angle that's you're not like sitting upright

590
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 1: in a meditating posture. No, I am not meditating, and

591
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 1: you know, on my nice cushion on the floor, I'm

592
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 1: just kind of hunched over the microphone. So pebbles in

593
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 1: our shoes. You guys can hold us to this, Sarah.

594
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 1: What's our timeline? When are we both going to get

595
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 1: actual furniture for our recording studios? Well? Mine is really

596
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 1: low bar because I have the desk like in the

597
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 1: next room. It's just a matter of dragging in here,

598
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 1: so I can be done by next month. But I

599
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 1: mean you might have to actually buy stuff. So all right,

600
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 1: well I'm doing I recommend Akia Akia. Well that's where

601
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 1: we're getting the other desks from. So maybe I'll just

602
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 1: get whatever my daughter is getting and put it in here. Okay,

603
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 1: one month, let's do it. All right, we're going to

604
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 1: pebbles in our shoe. That's going to be done. Speaking

605
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 1: of which, also my mattress. When when's the last time

606
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 1: you bought a new mattress, Sarah? Not that long ago.

607
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 1: We have a Casper mattress that we got. It was

608
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 1: in our Trenton Avenue house. I think so's it's actually

609
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 1: not that old. I think we got rid of our

610
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 1: old one when we moved from Miami Beach too. I

611
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 1: don't live on that street anymore, by the way, guys,

612
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 1: so you can have fun going to it as as

613
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 1: much as you want. Sorry, our house that used to

614
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 1: be around the block for my current how so yeah,

615
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 1: ours is like maybe four years old something like that.

616
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Speaker 1: It's great. It was inexpensive. And how old is your mattress?

617
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 1: Us twelve years so I want to say, yeah, it's

618
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 1: about time. It's about time. So that's uh yeah, if

619
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 1: nothing else, like rotating it would be a good seating

620
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 1: might be great. Yeah, and then you know, can have

621
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 1: some of the benefits of having a new mattress without

622
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 1: actually getting one. Another thing we need to pebble in

623
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 1: the shoe. I have been slowly cleaning out the living room.

624
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 1: We have the family room, which is where the dog is,

625
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 1: and I just you know, that's kind of his space.

626
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 1: The living room is gonna be where we could like

627
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,239
Speaker 1: hang out and read or whatever. But it had all

628
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 1: these boxes in it. And even worse, it doesn't have

629
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Speaker 1: overhead lighting in it, so we need lamps, and we

630
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 1: have a couple, but only a couple, so it's like

631
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 1: dark and you know, when it gets dark at four

632
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 1: point thirty pm here in the winter, it's like the

633
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:53,239
Speaker 1: room is pretty much unusable after that point. So that

634
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 1: room is the next project, pebble in the shoe, get

635
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 1: some lamps, get some lamps. Get some lamps so it

636
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Speaker 1: can be used. Well, I've got most of the box

637
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Speaker 1: is cleared out. Now it will be a great room

638
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 1: as soon as I can actually see anything in it. Well,

639
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 1: I need to replace some of my highlighters, which really,

640
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Speaker 1: I mean if every day you go to use your

641
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Speaker 1: planner and your favorite like gray highlighter is just like

642
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Speaker 1: a little too I don't know, like too mushy and

643
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 1: like your lines are not good and you're into planning,

644
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 1: like you could just get a new like gray highlighter.

645
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Speaker 1: So that is like the definition of a pebble, because

646
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Speaker 1: it's like, so it's three dollars like I can get,

647
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Speaker 1: and it's annoying you every day, it's annoying me every day.

648
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 1: All right, we're going to do that. And another thing,

649
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 1: I'm want to get my big kids an alarm clock

650
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 1: because I'm tired of waking them up. I don't know

651
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Speaker 1: if that's really a pebble. It seems more like complicated

652
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 1: than that, But I don't know. It's like a small

653
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 1: thing that maybe would drastically alter our mornings. We'll see,

654
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 1: or they might just ignore it and then yeah, see

655
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 1: my children have alarms, but I feel like it might

656
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 1: not always work, and so then the whole morning is

657
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Speaker 1: off and I'm going to be dealing with it anyway,

658
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 1: so I tend to go check that they're which means

659
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 1: I can't sleep later anyway. Yeah, Unfortunately, I've heard good

660
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 1: things about the ones that like light up and then

661
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 1: make the room like really light. I don't know. I

662
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Speaker 1: think it's worth trying because it's a fairly low, like

663
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Speaker 1: sunk cost if it doesn't work out, and if it

664
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Speaker 1: does work out like amazing, because I'm just well, it's

665
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Speaker 1: also just a life skill, right that you know, to

666
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Speaker 1: figure out what time you need to wake up and

667
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 1: set an alarm for it, like the independence. Yes, yeah,

668
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 1: and I don't think like I'm not going to do it.

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Speaker 1: For Genevieve, I don't feel like I don't feel the poll,

670
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 1: but for the big kids, I just feel like it's time. Yeah. Now,

671
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 1: I would love to have a slightly different morning routine,

672
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 1: but as it is, this is what it is that

673
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 1: I need to wake up and make sure everyone is moving,

674
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Speaker 1: including sometimes my husband who has a profound ability to

675
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Speaker 1: sleep through his alarm if he's tired, So a little

676
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 1: nudging there, like, sweetie, the alarm's going off, are you

677
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Speaker 1: planning to get app Oh he'll actually just like it'll

678
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Speaker 1: be ringing, and he's just like, yeah, I can sometimes

679
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Speaker 1: be ringing. It was I don't know, I guess if

680
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Speaker 1: you're tired. So you do you do subscribe and save

681
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 1: the uh we're talking about one of our pebbles in

682
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 1: the show is running out of things. Yeah, we do

683
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 1: subscribe and save through Amazon, and I have like a

684
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 1: I'm pretty good about, like I have a note in

685
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 1: my planner every towards the end of the month to

686
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Speaker 1: be like audit your thing and make sure you don't

687
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:32,880
Speaker 1: get like all that because I have more stuff on

688
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 1: it than we actually want to get and if I

689
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Speaker 1: don't do it, i'll get so but yes, there are

690
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Speaker 1: certain things that like I should add to that because

691
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:40,879
Speaker 1: we almost run out of coffee, and you never want

692
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 1: to run out of coffee. I mean that's like the worst.

693
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 1: And then I had to buy like bad Walgreens cough. Anyway,

694
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 1: so I could work on curating that subscribe and save

695
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 1: a little bit more, probably removing some things that I keep,

696
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 1: you know, deferring and adding some things that we do

697
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Speaker 1: not like to run out of. Yeah, we've had some

698
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Speaker 1: interesting problems with inventory management lately. So we ran out

699
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Speaker 1: of paper towels. That was a moment which we seem

700
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Speaker 1: I think what happened is there are certain things that

701
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 1: we always have so much of because then we buy

702
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:11,400
Speaker 1: them from Costco, and so it feels like, you know,

703
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 1: we always have one hundred paper towel rolls stuffed at

704
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Speaker 1: a closet somewhere. Not literally they wouldn't fit, but you know,

705
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 1: like a dozen extra ones, you know, one of those

706
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 1: giant packs like stuffed in somewhere and Ketchup, Like we

707
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 1: buy that three pack of giant Ketchup. So it feels

708
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 1: like that's like a year's where that you would never

709
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:30,839
Speaker 1: run out of Ketchup, right, No, And we ran out

710
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 1: of Ketchup. And so we had several very unhappy children

711
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 1: who had gone to make like a hot dog, we'd

712
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 1: gone to make themselves some chicken nuggets, and like there

713
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 1: was no Ketchup, and like, you know, they're forced to

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Speaker 1: just like use mustard in nothing else, and it was

715
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 1: just tragic in all sorts of ways, and you know,

716
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 1: they wound up. I don't know one child like squirreled

717
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 1: away like packets of ketchup from a restaurant, then just

718
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 1: to make sure that they were there. We got some

719
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 1: like the next day, but it had been very I

720
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 1: don't know. I haven't figured that out. Normally it doesn't

721
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:05,800
Speaker 1: happen because there's they're purchased in such huge quantities, and

722
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,240
Speaker 1: yet we seem to be running out of certain things faster.

723
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Speaker 1: So we'll figure that out. I don't know. I don't

724
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:12,360
Speaker 1: want to put too much mental energy into it, because

725
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:14,399
Speaker 1: it's not the worst tragedy in the world to run

726
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 1: out of paper towels or ketchup. So yeah, ketchup. It

727
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 1: must be a common thing because I feel like we

728
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Speaker 1: I think kids just eat way more than well, I

729
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 1: think they use a lot of ketchup, and I can

730
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Speaker 1: doubt like, and I'm doing the dishes afterwards there's like

731
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 1: still like a puddle of ketchup, and well, okay, clearly

732
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 1: you're not managing the inventory here either, because you like

733
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 1: put way more on than you are actually going to use.

734
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Speaker 1: So I don't know. Moving anyway, that was the upgrade

735
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Speaker 1: section going to our our weekly question, So did you

736
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Speaker 1: want to read it? Sure? Okay, you read this anonymously though,

737
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Speaker 1: make sure of course, of course, Okay, that's why I

738
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Speaker 1: called the company x y Z big tech. Come on, yes, exactly,

739
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 1: My company, a big tech company, just announced that we're

740
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 1: moving from tracking time off and vacation to an unli

741
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 1: limitted sort of system. We still have two weeks worth

742
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 1: of holistic health time aka sick and mental health, but

743
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:08,879
Speaker 1: otherwise no vacation gets tracked anymore. Just have to ask

744
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 1: your manager and take it. I don't know what to

745
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 1: do with this. I feel like I've gotten to a

746
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 1: point where I had a crewed five weeks of vacation

747
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 1: a year, and it felt glorious to have all those days.

748
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 1: And I take almost all my vacation each year. Now

749
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 1: I feel weird about taking five plus weeks off just

750
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 1: because it's not earned. You know, how would you advise

751
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 1: handling this? FYI, I'm twenty years into my career and

752
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 1: not a manager. I don't want to take less time. Yeah, yeah,

753
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 1: so yeah. This is a lot of We wanted to

754
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 1: talk about this because a lot of companies have been

755
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:41,880
Speaker 1: experimenting with this sort of unlimited vacation time, and the

756
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 1: cynic in me would point out that there are some

757
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 1: upsides in exactly what our listener is writing in about.

758
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:51,799
Speaker 1: Many people do not take more vacation. They take less

759
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 1: vacation when it is unlimited, because there's no sense that

760
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,919
Speaker 1: it is yours right that you have a certain number

761
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 1: of days that you are entitled to. It's unlimited, but

762
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:03,840
Speaker 1: you have to justify each day, and so you know

763
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:06,359
Speaker 1: you're asking your manager, which means you you know it's all.

764
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 1: There's also a sense of when you earn it, companies

765
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:11,799
Speaker 1: often have to then pay it out when you leave.

766
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:14,279
Speaker 1: If it is unlimited, it's not being tracked and it

767
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 1: is not an entitlement right, and so they don't have

768
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:18,959
Speaker 1: to have it on the books. There's just all sorts

769
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Speaker 1: of reasons that while it sounds really cool and progressive,

770
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 1: in many cases it winds up not being nearly as much. So.

771
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 1: But anyway, we're talking about how you can take your

772
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 1: vacation when there isn't like a certain number of days

773
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 1: that you are entitled to. And one thing you can

774
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 1: do is that if you do have children, many people

775
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 1: are kind of accepting of the idea that you would

776
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 1: take days off around the times they would be out

777
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:51,359
Speaker 1: of school. And so I know in my family because

778
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 1: my husband doesn't have a certain number of vacation days either.

779
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:56,760
Speaker 1: We often take a week or so around Christmas, because

780
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:58,880
Speaker 1: you know, Christmas to New Year's is kind of a

781
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:02,320
Speaker 1: freebie anyway. We usually take Spring break off whatever the

782
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 1: kids have off for spring break, so that's a week,

783
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 1: and then it winds up being two weeks in the

784
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 1: summer somewhere, so off and around the fourth and then

785
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:13,240
Speaker 1: maybe sometime in August, and if you add up random

786
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:16,760
Speaker 1: other days, you can wind up with about five weeks

787
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:20,839
Speaker 1: away from work without it seeming like you're taking even

788
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:24,720
Speaker 1: random stuff off. That those are times that just generally

789
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 1: seem pretty justifiable because the kids are off of school,

790
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:31,360
Speaker 1: and so you know, you could definitely do that. But

791
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:34,360
Speaker 1: I think also just for her own mental accounting, she

792
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 1: knows she hasn't had thirty days in this old twenty

793
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:41,879
Speaker 1: five days in this old system, so she might say, well,

794
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 1: the spirit of this new rule is that it's supposed

795
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 1: to be more progressive, that you take whatever you need.

796
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 1: I need what I had earned in the past, which

797
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 1: is twenty five days, and I'm going to track it

798
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 1: myself to make sure that I take the same twenty

799
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:58,800
Speaker 1: five days that I was entitled to in the past.

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Speaker 1: I'm not cheating anyone out of anything. This is what

801
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:03,800
Speaker 1: I had. I haven't become less senior at this company,

802
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 1: so I'm going to go with that as the baseline.

803
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 1: I really really like that. I also think, like, I mean,

804
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 1: it may vary based on the industry, but if you're

805
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:17,279
Speaker 1: able to plan ahead and you're mostly using holidays, like, yeah,

806
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 1: who's going to be Like what manager is going to

807
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 1: say no when you're like I need Chris when it's

808
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 1: January and you're like, I'm going to be off for

809
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,880
Speaker 1: next Christmas, you know what I mean, Like, there's probably

810
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 1: nothing that they're going to say, Oh, no, we need

811
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Speaker 1: you urgently, because it's far enough away that everyone should

812
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 1: be able to plan for it. And so I would

813
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 1: block out with your minimum number as a baseline. I

814
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 1: would plan your year out in advance. Probably you had

815
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:40,919
Speaker 1: been doing that before when you had a certain number

816
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 1: of days to work with because you didn't want to

817
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 1: go over your set number of days. And then I

818
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 1: would also say, if you are productive and you're keeping

819
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 1: an eye on whatever metrics are being looked at, and

820
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 1: you're doing well, and you feel like you could take

821
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 1: some extra days or some more flexible days or like

822
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 1: maybe you're going to work from somewhere beautiful and like

823
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 1: not work the full day, Like well, hey, this new

824
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 1: policy allows you to do that. So I think you know,

825
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 1: within reason, and again, if you're doing well in the company,

826
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:08,760
Speaker 1: which knowing this person, they're doing amazing, that you should

827
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 1: allow yourself to have minimum what we were doing before,

828
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Speaker 1: and then be kind and maybe a little bit of

829
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 1: bonus if you can hack it. So sounds can we

830
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 1: support you taking all of your vaca? We support you

831
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 1: taking all of your vacation. Yeah, this is just a

832
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 1: mental thing. You know that you just because the policy

833
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 1: is new doesn't mean that you need to change your

834
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 1: mindset around any of it. And again, you know, not

835
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 1: saying that anyone who is gunning for management should change

836
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:38,919
Speaker 1: how they would think about it either, but particularly since

837
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 1: she said she wasn't necessarily doing that, I think you

838
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 1: can very much have it viewed as like these are

839
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 1: my days. I'm entitled to that. I an individual contributor

840
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,399
Speaker 1: and can do it as I wish. All right, So

841
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 1: our love of the week mine is actually thinking of

842
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 1: this a pebble in the shoe kind of thing, which

843
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 1: is using warm water to wash my face. So I

844
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 1: really dislike washing my face at night. I shower in

845
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 1: the morning, by the way, so washing my face in

846
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:10,320
Speaker 1: the morning, I just washed my face in the shower,

847
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Speaker 1: and I was like, well, why does that not strike

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Speaker 1: wash my face in the shower. It's not I don't

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Speaker 1: resist that, whereas doing it at the sink at night

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Speaker 1: like I have to talk myself into it every single time.

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Speaker 1: And I realized that one of the issues is that

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Speaker 1: at night I was just splashing cold water on my face,

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Speaker 1: and clearly in the shower you've got warm water. So like, well,

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Speaker 1: turns out most sinks do, in fact have warm water.

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Speaker 1: I don't know about these are one of these things

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Speaker 1: you don't know, like how do other human beings interact

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Speaker 1: with sinks. But I always just like would grab the

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Speaker 1: even touch the hot one on a two handle sink,

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Speaker 1: right like if I'm washing my hands in public, you know,

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Speaker 1: and I would sink. I would always just do the

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Speaker 1: cold So that was just a habit. I always just

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Speaker 1: have hot water in this think, so I could do

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Speaker 1: both handles and get nice warm water wash my face

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Speaker 1: with that, and I don't enjoy it, but it's not

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Speaker 1: quite as terrible as being splashed in the face with

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Speaker 1: cold water. Okay. The reason I'm laughing while I was coughing,

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Speaker 1: but then I was laughing is because I don't know

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Speaker 1: if it's documented in our podcast archives or if it

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Speaker 1: was a one off conversation we had. But I have

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Speaker 1: given you that tip. I totally you got it. I

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Speaker 1: was like, do you use cold water? Because I figured

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Speaker 1: out that if you make your water warm, it's like

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Speaker 1: way more pleasant. So cold water gives you like a

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Speaker 1: vage old reaction, like there are actually people who have

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Speaker 1: heart a rhythm as triggered by like cold water in

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Speaker 1: your face, and it's a terrible feeling and it is

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Speaker 1: much more pleasant. So I have to laugh. That is

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Speaker 1: so funny. If there was some way of AI scraping

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Speaker 1: at GPT thing to search our search our archives, wind

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Speaker 1: did start. It also may have just been me like

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Speaker 1: saying it to you right stubborn is Laura that she

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Speaker 1: wasn't listening, But that is so funny, Well, mine is

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Speaker 1: a very redundant one because talked about them already kind

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Speaker 1: of but Camper brand shoes if you have not tried them,

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Speaker 1: there are some stores. They also have an online shop.

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Speaker 1: They're fairly reasonably priced. They I found them just so comfortable.

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Speaker 1: They're European sizes you have to know, like you know

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Speaker 1: if you're like thirty six, thirty seven whatever, And they

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Speaker 1: seem to last for a very long time. So that's

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Speaker 1: my recommendation. And do they have a variety of different

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Speaker 1: shoes or is it mostly all? I mean, what's their

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Speaker 1: kind of towards Like they have some really unusual shoes

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Speaker 1: and then some more normal shoes. I'll say, but they

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Speaker 1: have sandals, they have boots, they have like more dressy shoes.

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Speaker 1: I currently am wearing this one pair that I got

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Speaker 1: a couple of years ago that I'm gonna wear for

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Speaker 1: another decade. It has heels of two different colors. And

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Speaker 1: like my patients and the parents they like, like, I

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Speaker 1: always get positive comments about that. I mean, they're different,

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Speaker 1: but they're and they're heels that are comfortable to spend

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Speaker 1: a day at work in correct. I mean they sell

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Speaker 1: flats as well. But since I'd usually tend to like

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Speaker 1: to wear at least like a two inch heel. I

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Speaker 1: grab it towards like wedge heels or comfortable heels, and

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Speaker 1: they're super super comfortable. Okay, good to know. Good to know.

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Speaker 1: I've been looking for some more wedge heel type things

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Speaker 1: that would add to the height without making me hate

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Speaker 1: walking as well. Well, this has been best of both worlds.

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Speaker 1: Our topic has been upgrades. Things we have not upgraded

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Speaker 1: in our lives, things we have, and things we are

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Speaker 1: now committing to. So you guys need to hold us

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Speaker 1: to getting desks in our recording spaces so we are

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Speaker 1: no longer sitting hunched over our microphones, and that we

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Speaker 1: will be happy people sitting on nice chairs at desks

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Speaker 1: within a month. All Right, We're gonna do it. This

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Speaker 1: has been best of both worlds. We'll be back next

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Speaker 1: week with more and making work and life fit together.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for listening. You can find me Sarah at the

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Speaker 1: shoebox dot com or at the Underscore Shoebox on Instagram,

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Speaker 1: and you can find me Laura at Laura vandercam dot com.

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Speaker 1: This has been the best of both worlds podcasts. Please

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Speaker 1: join us next time. For more on making work and

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Speaker 1: life work together,